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How Are Pros Getting More Powerful Than Ever? | GCN Show Ep. 580
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- Опубликовано: 10 авг 2024
- The first Tour de France winner set a 25.7 km/h average speed, but last year the pro peloton hit 41km/h. How are pro cyclists generating more power than ever before? Si is joined by a special guest to discuss the increasing power outputs recorded in elite cycling. In cycling shorts, we announce our new wheel partner and Campagnolo has a new gravel groupset!
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00:00 Intro
02:52 Special guest introduction
03:40 How are pro cyclists getting more powerful?
08:33 Interview with Mark Cavendish
11:34 Cycling shorts
11:38 New Oakley sunglasses
13:04 Massive pro cycling chainrings
14:20 Bike messengers are dying out
15:00 Increase in cycling
15:33 Campagnolo NEW gravel group set
16:26 Elite Wheels partnership 👉 @elitewheelscycles
17:27 Hack/bodge
23:00 Caption competition
25:00 Comment of the week
31:48 GCN+ subscription refund
33:09 Coming up on GCN
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What do you think of Alpecin-Deceuninck new double denim kit? 👖
Want one
I remember seeing a feature in Cycle Sport magazine on Carrera in 1993 when they had their double denim kit. And in the article was a picture 'at home' of Claudio Chiappucci wearing actual double denim clothes. Put me off double denim for life.
@@cilliankelly1 but we've seen your sporting it around the office many times...
@@gcn NOSTALGIA GALORE
I have a vintage Carrera Jeans kit which is also denim style, looks great
Cillian is a natural. Please can we get a cycling stats show every now and then. Would love to watch him and Ollie analyze numbers.
It seems like Cillian is quite the hit!
He's is the MAN!!! I say more more more 😂
@@BIANCHI1984 Cillian is cool calm and collected . and honest in responses to questions. in relating to his cycling .
Yeah. But Daniel Lloyd is awesome.
Yes, more please.
Cillian is fun!
Get Killian on the presenter roster, so good to have him on. He was a legend on the 30 in 30 rides he lead, loads of banter and created a chilled atmosphere.
We'll let him know!
@@gcn I bet he reads the comments! Should be lots of warm fuzzies emanating for Cillian
Yes replace Alex with him
@@Maxpower88888 there's room at GCN for Alex and Cillian. Alex is still a briliiant athlete; Cillian is getting there 🙂 (he's beating me on some segments)
@@Maxpower88888good god no.
For the cycling nerds among us, I think a periodic video or segment therein discussing remarkable, unusual, or interesting statistics by Cillian would be well received and viewed.
I used to do exactly that on the World of Cycling show on GCN+
Did you ever see it?
@@cilliankelly1 All these references to GCN+ but my heart is still broken. At least bring back the Stats Attack here on RUclips.
I truly appreciated Cillian relating his power output to the pros. His numbers are not terribly different from mine, so it really brought home what the difference is between the pros and the rest of us mere mortal. Thanks Cillian.
Hope Killian will be presenting more often☕️ smashed it 🎉
Thanks so much! What a relief to learn that I was not terrible 🙌🏼
73mph in something with the safety characteristics of underwear is mental
I don't even see how it's possible to go this fast unless you're skydiving with a bike! 😂 The fastest I've ever been was 55mph down a 10% descent and these guys would have passed me like I was standing still! 🤯
Yea, crashing at that speed would be like doing a slip n slide on a cheese grater.
Mr. Kelly is awesome as the so-called "non-presenter, presenter". Great show and his caption for caption competition was hilarious! Thanks as always for the great work GCN!
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He was brilliant!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent to have some Stat Attack from Cillian on the GCN show. Deserves a regular spot. i miss GCN+ too 😢
Cillian did amazing
It`s called Dope boys.
Exactly
‘Dope’…Is that something they take? Like heroin? Please explain. Seems like you have the inside….dope?
I don’t think the current peloton is clean but it’s not like the early 90’s when it was a free for all. What is different now imo is riders coming from a wider talent pool, more places where kids have access to bikes, more talent
Double denim = Canadian Tuxedo
would you wear it?
And or Redneck Bridal gown
🇨🇦 … have done before, will do again
Only in Alberta..
Ha just posted this before seeing your comment. Well done, brother.
We need a regular GCN Stats show with Cillian!
Caption competition: Chris's shout definitely wins the no-bell prize for shared cycle paths
If the pros are using Shimano Dura-Ace Power Meters they are probably reading high… it’s probably not their true watts. Well documented 🙂
The EliteWheels partnership was a pleasant surprise! I have a set of their rim brake SLTs, they are their second-from-entry level carbon wheels in a 55mm depth, and for sub-£350 they are extremely impressive value for money. I've raced them in TTs and even won a local hill climb on them.
we have been very impressed with them!
I have the same and they are notably better than my Winspace 60+mm carbon spoked wheelset I had. The Elite's handle literally way better in heavy winds, and I take them out on nearly every training ride... They really are that good!
I have a set of Drive 50v’s on my Allez build. At the time I bought them they were one of the only affordable rim brake carbon wheels wide enough to be seamless when running 28’s. They run Cadillac smooth with GP5k’s tubeless. I got black logos on mine which look vastly better IMO. I contacted them before I bought and they can also ship logo-free or custom colors with a +1 month lead time.
Serious power means serious doping I'd say.
You gotta love that the Director of IT’s computer has the asset tag in plain site.
No hiding!
In re Si's dislike of bells, I can assert that I've had many pedestrians and cyclists thank me for ringing a bell before overtaking them on bike paths and sometimes the road. I will yell HALLLLLO ON YOUR LEFT, but if the circumstances permit, I go with the bell first.
Same here. I use a Spurcycle bell. It’s very pleasant sounding, but bright enough that people can hear it even while they have earbuds in place. If I was to shout at them loud enough to be heard, most folks would be offended.
Absolutely. I did say in my message that it was a massive bodge, so not surprised they agreed 😂. Around where I am there's literally 100s of tourists and dog walkers every ride and the reaction since using the horn as been brilliant, I'm no longer into hammering my way along and love the interactions I now have at the more leisurely pace I ride at😊
On the other hand, I've had an 'old dear' hurl abuse because I rang my bell 😵💫
@@GuanajuatoUK Then she most likely would have done the same had you not rung the bell.
Glad to see Killian. I'm also a stats nerds, so maybe the pool of cycling's stats nerds is not THAT thin afterall 🙂
Great show again. Killian smashed it, like he'd done it all his life.👍
As far as bell use on bicycles, I resisted putting a bell on my bikes for more than ten years, all the while complaining that most trail users don't hear or don't know what to do with "On your left!" Often, they move TO THE LEFT. I was at the LBS last year complaining about this, and one of the employees told me that, for whatever reason, bells work better. He was right. I had a bell on my last two rides of 2023, and the bell worked EVERY TIME. I'm sold.
Ah you see I would never shout "on the left", I always go for, "hello" and then allow the person to move whichever way they want. Makes life way nicer. Cheers, Si
@@gcn A single ping on a bell is much better, particularly since you usually want to be giving warning when you are still at least 50 yards away. A ping of eth bell can be hgeard mre easily than a shout at that distance.
As someone who lives and works as a bicycle mechanic in Portland, OR I agree that PART of the decrease in pre-pandemic ridership is due to an increase in remote work. Another large factor is a topic you’ve been covering with some frequency lately; cars. Since the pandemic, there has seemed to be a meteoric rise in reckless driving and hit and runs that have left many cyclists feeling unsafe on city streets. I wonder if other cities have had the same experience. More protected bike infrastructure!
Killian needs to BRING back the App and just tell Warner to stuff it!
Absolutely INSANE power numbers by Lazkano! I have never ever seen anything like that!
Love seeing more Cillian! Loved his GCN 30 in 30 rides.
I think the increase in carb intake, combined with smarter training (zone 2, shorter sessions) also plays into riders being stronger
Great to have a relatable presenter… Killian all the way + instant inside tech info
Could be a new tactic. Overpromise features publicly on the GCN Show so then the team HAVE to get it done
Wait! Killian has a Real Job?! 🤯 love seeing him presenting the show today!
"real job" never heard it called that before! But yeah, he does, and he is ace at it!
Cillian = brilliant! What a great addition!
More Cillian please!
is that you Cillian?
#captioncompetition. “Aaah! Who put that 62 tooth ring on my bike!?!”
Killian adds another weapon to his arsenal: ace presenter! And he works very well with Sid!
Caption competition- ooOOOO where half way there... OOOOOOOO LIVING ON A PRAYER!!
Lazkano definitely isn't 74kg, just cause the internet says it doesn't mean it's true. Heard someone say they watched some Movistar content somewhere and saw that he was down as 83kg.
Great episode! I listened to it on the podcast and enjoyed it immensely, so thought I'd watch it here!
Wow you guys, out here giving very powerful advice re: humanizing other riders/drivers and reframing our perspective to try to be a little more grateful
Cheers, fellas
caption: Chris Hamilton lining up for the feed zone.
nice one Killian, good work
Thanks so much Edmund. Hope you didn’t miss Lloydy too much
Caption: Hamilton - "I'm Thor! I'm Thor!" (Hushovd); Rider behind: "I'm not thurprised thilly, you forgot your thaddle!"
this is really clever!!!
Hello GCN show…I would like to say your content has greatly improved over the last few months. I stopped watching for a while, but something seems different and I like it.
Also, this isn’t a comment on the absence of Lloydy…which I normally take a jab at him when he’s not on the show.
I introduced Killian’s ‘I get too….’ at work last week. Now on posters in offices. Genius Irishman. Thank you.
Are there actual data on the power of today's pros vs the pros of 10 or 20 years ago?
Great show guys. Here's a thing I have discovered for myself. If you take a watt count - say 300Watts, and divide it by 10 = 30 - that is approximately the weight in kilograms you are applying to the pedals with each leg, for every pedal stroke to achieve that wattage. Easy enough for a few pedal strokes, but 20 or 30 minutes, or an hour !! Now we're talking. However, that doesn't necessarily equate to monster leg power and massive legs like Mr. Forster the track cyclist. Dave Bedford, the distance runner from the eighties was famed for having the same cadence and stride length when running regardless of the surface underfoot - mud, rivers, woodland, grass or road. He had enormously strong legs without huge muscle mass- but it's that kind of strength endurance that I think cyclists aspire to - myself included.
Haha how was Cillian immediately better at the caption competition than Si and Dan have ever been. Quality stuff Cillian, we want more from you!
Yayyy! I won last week's caption comp!! 😃 Thanks guys! I've hopefully contacted you through the website...
Hands down best presenter. Thanks for the cameo pal
You guys are all amazing, but I do love it when Cillian makes an appearance. The docs about him and videos are always so wonderful, more Cillian please. And also, any chance you're going to upload the GCN+ docs to RUclips? Or will there be another spot to watch Cillian's Etape du Tour again?
I respect your opinion towards a dinging bell as you walk Simon, but in this day and age were everybody has on AirPods of some sort, ringing the bell is inevitable for safety.
yay Cillian! I just took a look at Strava: I've started following Cillian recently, along with the rest of the GCN presenters. He's beating me on most Zwift segments I've looked at!
Trust a software engineer to know his forwards slashes from his back slashes.
Ha! I made sure I practiced beforehand!
Anyone thinking world class athletes (of any sport) don't do illegal substances is completely oblivious.
Cillian is a brilliant presenter! A natural! I also didn’t know he is in charge of the website tech. Good work, mate!
Glad you enjoyed! He's a man of many talents 👍
Thanks a lot Chris! Plenty of improvements and new things in the pipeline 👍
Caption Competition: Chris Hamilton getting ready to catch Javier Ernesto’s beer
The two most natural presenters in the whole of GCN.
🤗
I wish one of these days you guys would give some back stories of the framed photos on your set. Thanks for the videos 👍
That's quite a coincidence. We actually spoke about two of them when we were recording this show but it didn't make the cut!
@@cilliankelly1 maybe during a slow news week maybe it will make the cut 😀. Who is the guy in the yellow jersey?
@@jbratt That's Si!
To use the old advert from Pirelli "Power is nothing without control".......could apply to some of the current peloton.....
Especially crashendish
Not the one trick pony the Killian! Very enjoyable : )
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well, if we can't have Dan, it's okay for Si to be joined by Phil Collins. 😀
😂
Nice slam as not everyone watched Trailer Park Boys :D
He reminds me of the cartoon character Charlie Brown. And everybody loves Charlie Brown!
Si hates bells, and feels that they're rude. It's all about technique. A good bell makes people aware of your presence at a far greater distance than one's voice will carry without shouting (which is VERY rude.) I ring at about 50 meters away, then say "Hello" or "Good Morning" at about 5-10 meters. It's pleasant and works.
A little juice goes a long way😂
+1 for all the positive comments about Killian, smashed it! Let’s have more of him!
Chris Hamilton: CAR BACK!!!
Cillian is a star! Such a nice speaking voice, a real pleasure to listen to..
I love Cav's interviews
It’s going to be sad seeing his total demise this season. The old boxer attitude is sad to see.
21:00 What would work to keep water out of the valve hole - an inner tube! 🙂
Haha, not true!
@@gcn Have you tested it? The inflated tube will fit snugly against the rim, making a water-tight seal. It works for me!
26:48: Yes! This! Said this myself for years.
Much rather watch races covered by your team. production was well done, thank you (from CAN)!
Love the denim look. 😉👍🏻
@Cilliankellygcn is THE MAN! More Cillian on camera please.
Cillian, you did great! 😊
I watch lazkano winning the Spanish championship (on gcn+ 😢). He was superb and put a nice show, I would expect to see him on the podium more often 😊
68-52 front with an 11-32 cassette still gives easier gears than a classic 52-42 touring chainset with a 14-24 freewheel. Go for it Cillian! 😅
RE Double Denim...need only ask what the expert Claudio thinks ??? IMHO...My question...is the Alpecin kit made by Carrera Jeans ???
I converted my old Falcon (c.1981) into a fixie. Forgot that I couldn't freewheel and propelled myself over the handlebars. I never forgot again. Killian is a natural BTW.
#captioncompetition This is Maritimaaaaaa
Cillian did awesome!! After our Flanders Tour Challenge - Come to the USA and participate in Gravel Worlds in Nebraska! It would be an excellent next step challenge in your cycling development!!
Ooof, not sure about gravel. I like lovely roads.
For the high-vis topic... i don't mind wearing high vis... i just don't get why there is no nice looking high vis stuff... Of course it makes me sad to see someone wearing a 2$ vest over his 150$ Rapha Kit that would be designed really nice...
I don't get why the designers don't do a High Vis collection that looks nice and is fun... Colours are fun... Just imagine a jersey like the Canyon Sram team, where the colors would just be a slight tad brighter ... Hi Vis Jersey done
#captioncompetition “come on guys.. ‘wooooahhhh we’re half way there, woooaahhh livin’ on a prayer!”
Also. More Cillian please!
I don't believe "Hold my Beer" is the best attitude for a bike mechanic #Hack&Bodges
Caption competition. Chris doing his famous Homemade-Bike-Power-Generator-Alex impression.
I agree with Simon regards bells etc and I always shout out to pedestrians on a shared path "bike behind" etc but often get comments like why don't you have a bell. Can't win sometimes...
What a lovely and wise man Cillian is, great advice and insight for cycling and indeed life. Great job standing in for Dan the man. Ps. 73 mph downhill on a bike is insane
Thanks so much Craig. So glad to hear you enjoyed the show
Caption competition - ahhhh We put up with Lloydy all this time when we could have had Cillian!
Si. A lot of people don't know the proper meaning of the use of the car horn (or bike bell come to that). It gives a warning of your presence and should not be used as a rebuke or 'get out of my way'. The Highway Code says, "Rule 112 The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively."
In 1991 Greg Lemond complained that he simply couldnt keep up anymore that "the whole Peloton had gotten so insanely faster". At first he tought it was the result of lead poisening from pellets he still had in his body. History has tought however that it was a new drug EPO. When will we ever learn!
You really think Greg didn’t juice? 😆😆😆
@@durianriders lol Well I cant be sure but with means motive opportunity I am stuck with the motive since he stopped... So as Lt Colombo would say Hes not our man,,,
I was looking forward to a host of "comments of the week" about the conspicuity of Si's ankles, and there were none. Sad times.
I know for a fact that there are amateurs using testosterone under the guise of "needing" trt, no matter what way you put it trt is helping many amateurs in one way or another if not by having more testosterone than average and gaining strength that way, by replacing testosterone that naturally depletes through hard training making recovery unnaturally faster and easier, some people will do anything to get on the podium or in front even at the lowest levels or group rides.
Question: can pro's use trt and still be legal if they are in the "normal range"? How about if they use it in the off season, are there tests to tell if they have used it in the past? If not you can guarantee they are doing it when there's big money on the line especially when people with nothing on the line will do it just for ego's sake.
One of the most insightful things I've heard in awhile is Cillian's remark about using "get to" instead of "have to" in regards a task to or activity at hand. It does help the mindset somewhat.
It's genuinely been life-changing since I started using that. Not in any grand, overwhelming kind of way. But if you use it consistently, it just makes enough of a difference to make you stop and check yourself, have a breath when you might be a bit stressed and make you realise that things could be a lot worse.
Big chainring just lets you ride in a bigger cog on the cassette which is a little more efficient. If you don't need a climbing gear, its a smart choice.
nice and smooth after all!
Caption Contest: "I said tuck in behind!!"
Thanks Si , Cillian , and crew...Si doesn't like bells rung at him , he'd rather be yelled at ?
I like a polite "hello" actually, which is exactly what I dish out. Someone shouting "on your left" is every bit as irritating as ringing a bell at me!
@@gcn Really?? . I feel badly for you
@@gcn I’m sorry Si.
I think high visibility should apply to cars too. As a driver/cyclist, sometimes it's hard to notice grey cars coming from behind on a rainy day
How are pro's getting more power? I would think they must be training the responsible muscle groups with weights. I would like to see that chap's heartrate graphed with his power output.
We need Killian on a regular basis - such a natural! Great stuff!
Remco famously bonked in the 2023 Vuelta, so incorrect to say nobody bonks anymore. We have heard these excuses before about improved bikes, improved diet, etc and they usually turned out to be doping related.
#captioncompetition: "There's no flies on me - I've caught them all"
black is preferable when temps drop below 30 degrees Farenheit. 100+ lumen blinking lights are much more effective anyway.
Again, pros are using huge chainrings is to improve (reduce) friction in the chain by reducing articulation and chain deflection (they *want* to be using middle-side cogs because it keeps the chain straight).
Thanks Si for reminding me to replace my bell, as the spring has mostly given up after 7 years.
🔔
Was ready to buy Ekar until I found out you can't upshift more than one gear at a time... and that the ergonomics of the lever require you to release a fair amount of grip from the hood.