The vocals in the beginning were not out of the key Jon! might be a different key to what you used before, but that phrase makes sense in terms of tonality
it kind of does indeed. I guess what he hears is that the vocal is used on like the fifth in comparrison to its original key. It works but if you can choose to make it work how its written it would definitly sound better. he should have shown the differences between the key he refers to and this example to make it obvious.
the most consonant intervals are octaves, fifths and fourths. other consonant intervals are thirds and sixths. the "dissonant" intervals (even if some sound pleasing) are seconds and sevenths and all augumented or diminished intervals
Bro the first vocal is fire. Its no casual vocal line which makes it even more intresting. Idk but this jazzy vibes are killin it. Hope you rethink that opinion
Indeed a weird example, as in this case the vocal sounds very harmonic, if he had just pitched it e.g. a semitone lower the example would have made a lot more sense
1:30 Jon, YOU have a problem. This vocal was perfectly fine in terms of its pitch alignment with music. It probably wasn't perfect, but it was definitely building an interesting tension there, rather than follow some cliche harmonic progression.
Almost everything your saying in this video I agree with Jon. It took me years of being a music producer to realise that arrangement and sound selection is a massive chunk of mixing. Another tip i would add is Reference tracks. Try and build up a folder of professionally mixed tracks in your genre that you can goto when producing and mixing a track. Not only will it help you with the mix but it will also help with arrangement and sound design. Look forward to participating in the next remix contest as this one I had to miss due to being busy with my own projects.
Just get a good quality dock... You can literally connect it to your macbook with one cable . And all the other cables go to the dock... I'll link you to what I recommend... It's literally the best... www.amazon.com/CalDigit-TS3-Plus-Thunderbolt-Dock/dp/B07CZPV8DF/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=dock&qid=1607619176&sr=8-3
Thanks bro. Very helpful. My biggest mistakes were trying to make the tracks louder and thumpier... to the point i was accepting distortion which was a big no no. I also have a habit of making my tracks orchestral and turning it from being a club track almost into a movie soundtrack.... Needed to learn to keep them apart as much as possible, without losing the fusion element. Loving the studio, looking dope and inspiring from where you were to where you are now.
13:25 8-10 LUFS is not actually loud in the dance music world, I personally shoot for 4-7 LUFS and I produce house music, dubstep and dnb producers sometimes go even louder but it's extremely challenging to pull off while not distorting
Wow great video! I agree with everything you said too. My biggest mistake was thinking that mixing was the most important part of the track. I had maybe 20 tracks that I made over the years and considered complete/nearly complete and decided they were ready for the mix process. I took a week off for Thanksgiving and spent everyday mixing my older tracks vs a reference track using MCompare. Long story short, I ended up spending 5 days tediously rewriting 3 of my older tracks because I couldn’t get them mixed properly, then realized the rest of my old tracks were in the same vein as those, as in it wasn’t the mixing that was wrong, it was the arrangement, samples, and musical elements that were making the songs sound like crap and difficult to mix 😩 Needless to say, my later tracks that were written during COVID barely needed any mixing at all except for a few high pass filters. I realized it was because the musical aspects (the notes, chords, music theory stuff) were well written, the song had space to breathe and was not cluttered, and my synths and samples sounded great from the beginning. I almost plunked down $1,000 for the Fabfilter plugin suite too which would have been wasted on my tracks (I love the Fabfilter stuff that I’ve used on iOS though!) My lesson was well learned. I needed to go through the entire process so I could see that mixing is moreso needed to FIX bugs/small inconsistencies in your arrangement rather than the other way around.
4:15 ich muss dir da Widersprechen. Ich würde immer genau gucken ob der Lowcut wirklich nötig ist bzw. den sonst primär auf Bussen setzen. Bei so vielen highpässen auf den Mixerkanälen versaut man sich die Phase mit IIR filtern. Ich hab einfach ein Lautsprecher Chassis freeair hier rum stehen. Das hat ab 40hz einen lowpassfilter. Da seh ich dann direkt wenn hub entsteht, dass dort Energie im unteren Bereich vorhanden ist, die man nicht hört und nicht vorhanden sein soll.
Great tips. One more: if you’re a rock listener who produces EDM, try listening to opera music. If you classically trained with a piano or violin and you produce underground techno, try listening to jazz music. These are a couple examples but I think most will get the point. Expand your horizon beyond your own preferences. 😉
Thank you for the info although, like some others, disagree with your first part. The vocals were tonally correct but possibly kept on a different note to build up and switch later to more "correct" notes. It's often used to build tension (through waiting). Anyway I purchased your sample packs yesterday. For $5 it's a really good deal. Will go through them in the next few days.
my absolute worst investment was to buy EZ Drummer off of pluginboutique on sale last year. It literally didn't do anything for me, did not bring any value to my project working in Ableton live 10 suite.
John, I watch every video, every day and I’ve never left a comment but I feel compelled to right now. I am a professional audio engineer. I went to school for it and do it full time for a living. That being said, your advice about too many plug-ins was spot on except what you said about compression. Compression is absolutely essential to a song. Especially for any tracks in that song that have extreme dynamic range or lots of eq boost or cut. If you know the science behind compression you will know exact what I mean. That was not good advice. Compression is how you make things sit properly in a track especially the low end stuff. Great advice about eq’ing reverb. Great advice about putting filters on every track, high and low, even if you aren’t doing anything else with the eq but the compression statement just simply isn’t true. Looking forward to tomorrow’s video thanks for the great content every day!
I didn’t say you don’t need it. It’s just overrated and if you remove all compression it will still sound to a normal listener the same. If you work on a lot of recorded stuff compression is needed more. For edm since everything is already compressed it’s not so essential
@@Jonsine you know what, I didn’t even think about it that way. I mostly work on rock, pop and electro pop. All with live instruments, I don’t have a ton of experience with software instruments or synths. I do know that when I do get them they are pretty easy to mix so that’s probably why. Thank you for clarifying that.
I was looking at your face so much your sweater threw me off, Ha, biskuwi on youtube mentions of stone snares, is that taking samples of a pebble, medium pebble, stone , medium stone ect between a mm candy, to an egg,(round river rock) hitting a snare at say 6 inch drop to sample layer instead of a live drummer doing a snare swell , or volume automation any thoughts?
Nothing in Music is a sin. There are no rules.. There is no wrong way to make art.. If you like it and you're proud of it then you made it the right way. Avoid these video titles man!!
id say leveling is more important than EQ. if you levels are not balanced the master will emphasize the loud parts and make it sound like shit. p.s the vocal I could not hear that lol
This of the voices that are not in the key. I think it is a recurring problem in some voices. For example in the voices you gave in the remix they were not well tuned, or maybe yes but they do not correspond to a movement of a scale.
I remember 12 years ago I learned about Waves plugins and noticed that you use Izotope for mastering. I always thought Waves are the best on the market.
people really talking about how low this mans speakers are like wtf. let him do what he want....the hell. thats peoples issue not doing what works for them
@@nathanielarias3411 A turntable is not a piano, unfortunately. Piano is where we really get to see, hear, and internalize our Music Theory. When we say something is in “key”.... We mean its within a general scale (ex. Major/Minor etc). Or We are referring to its intonation (tuning) Now Unless I missed (or didn’t hear a b2, M7th, or a major 3rd in the melody, the whole track is squarely in 6A (Gm natural minor scale). A record label owner/producer can ill afford to make these kind of mistakes. I really love Jon Sine’s engineering and mixing advice, however.
Yes it is. I saved for years to afford all of this with a lot of sacrifice involved and working really hard. If you do the same you can achieve the same. Just go for it
Personally, I don't use samples at all. Every sound in my tracks is designed and recorded from hardware synths (or at least 80%). So I guess most of the tips in the video do not apply to me? I mean you make it sound like the whole EDM world nowadays is sample-based and not sound designed by the producer himself. Do you really believe that to be true?
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The vocals in the beginning were not out of the key Jon! might be a different key to what you used before, but that phrase makes sense in terms of tonality
it kind of does indeed. I guess what he hears is that the vocal is used on like the fifth in comparrison to its original key. It works but if you can choose to make it work how its written it would definitly sound better. he should have shown the differences between the key he refers to and this example to make it obvious.
@@roses7576 exactly
Yeah agreed, he thinks too in the box. Music has no rules, his first mistake! 😂
@@bvanbeekum minor 2nd are minor 5th are very very dissonant
the most consonant intervals are octaves, fifths and fourths.
other consonant intervals are thirds and sixths.
the "dissonant" intervals (even if some sound pleasing) are seconds and sevenths and all augumented or diminished intervals
Not out of key...was on point.
THIS IS A CARDNIL SIN OF EDM RIGHT HERE!
Ahaha I got the reference
Using a SSL G Series Compressor on a dance music kick makes no fkin sense
Lol mau5
The analogy with the food is actually really great!
music = cooking
Bro the first vocal is fire. Its no casual vocal line which makes it even more intresting. Idk but this jazzy vibes are killin it. Hope you rethink that opinion
I dont say you must like it but you’re talking about kinda “roules for music creations” like he’d clip the mice or whatever
Really appreciate this video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
The first vocals didn't sound this bad imo
Indeed a weird example, as in this case the vocal sounds very harmonic, if he had just pitched it e.g. a semitone lower the example would have made a lot more sense
I thought the same thing.
Bigger mistake that the clap didn't match the song xddd
The vocal is in fact not in key. only the last part fits the bass note by chance, but it's not in key.
I thought my ears were broken, wtf
1:30 Jon, YOU have a problem. This vocal was perfectly fine in terms of its pitch alignment with music. It probably wasn't perfect, but it was definitely building an interesting tension there, rather than follow some cliche harmonic progression.
He was talking about the clap which was too loud
@@DefinitelyNotSwedish No he wasn't.
Thank you so much always for your awesome tip, i do almost everything you mentioned and I'm really glad a big producer says the same thing ❤️
Almost everything your saying in this video I agree with Jon. It took me years of being a music producer to realise that arrangement and sound selection is a massive chunk of mixing. Another tip i would add is Reference tracks. Try and build up a folder of professionally mixed tracks in your genre that you can goto when producing and mixing a track. Not only will it help you with the mix but it will also help with arrangement and sound design. Look forward to participating in the next remix contest as this one I had to miss due to being busy with my own projects.
This was a really inspirational video. Thanks.
Hey jon! a few vlogs you mentioned that everything is connected to your Mac with only 1 cable, could you walk us through on how to do this?
yes please...i'm super hyped on getting an Air...never thought i'd say that...
Just get a good quality dock... You can literally connect it to your macbook with one cable . And all the other cables go to the dock... I'll link you to what I recommend... It's literally the best... www.amazon.com/CalDigit-TS3-Plus-Thunderbolt-Dock/dp/B07CZPV8DF/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=dock&qid=1607619176&sr=8-3
@@guang_rem would you know one that supports 3 monitors?
The magic of USB C cables
@@Antweezy the new m1 macbooks only can only cast 1 monitor for the time being
heartfelt thanks bro, you are very straight forward and simple and really helpful for beginners. again thanks a lot....
Thanks bro. Very helpful. My biggest mistakes were trying to make the tracks louder and thumpier... to the point i was accepting distortion which was a big no no. I also have a habit of making my tracks orchestral and turning it from being a club track almost into a movie soundtrack.... Needed to learn to keep them apart as much as possible, without losing the fusion element. Loving the studio, looking dope and inspiring from where you were to where you are now.
Thank you Jon.. very useful.. keeping things simple is sooo vital.
13:25 8-10 LUFS is not actually loud in the dance music world, I personally shoot for 4-7 LUFS and I produce house music, dubstep and dnb producers sometimes go even louder but it's extremely challenging to pull off while not distorting
Thank you so much Jon that’s so helpful !
Wow great video! I agree with everything you said too.
My biggest mistake was thinking that mixing was the most important part of the track.
I had maybe 20 tracks that I made over the years and considered complete/nearly complete and decided they were ready for the mix process. I took a week off for Thanksgiving and spent everyday mixing my older tracks vs a reference track using MCompare. Long story short, I ended up spending 5 days tediously rewriting 3 of my older tracks because I couldn’t get them mixed properly, then realized the rest of my old tracks were in the same vein as those, as in it wasn’t the mixing that was wrong, it was the arrangement, samples, and musical elements that were making the songs sound like crap and difficult to mix 😩
Needless to say, my later tracks that were written during COVID barely needed any mixing at all except for a few high pass filters. I realized it was because the musical aspects (the notes, chords, music theory stuff) were well written, the song had space to breathe and was not cluttered, and my synths and samples sounded great from the beginning.
I almost plunked down $1,000 for the Fabfilter plugin suite too which would have been wasted on my tracks (I love the Fabfilter stuff that I’ve used on iOS though!)
My lesson was well learned. I needed to go through the entire process so I could see that mixing is moreso needed to FIX bugs/small inconsistencies in your arrangement rather than the other way around.
Love this type of content really does help a ton🙌🏼
Yea , sample selection and volume balancing makes all of the good mix
4:15 ich muss dir da Widersprechen.
Ich würde immer genau gucken ob der Lowcut wirklich nötig ist bzw. den sonst primär auf Bussen setzen. Bei so vielen highpässen auf den Mixerkanälen versaut man sich die Phase mit IIR filtern.
Ich hab einfach ein Lautsprecher Chassis freeair hier rum stehen. Das hat ab 40hz einen lowpassfilter. Da seh ich dann direkt wenn hub entsteht, dass dort Energie im unteren Bereich vorhanden ist, die man nicht hört und nicht vorhanden sein soll.
Great tips. One more: if you’re a rock listener who produces EDM, try listening to opera music. If you classically trained with a piano or violin and you produce underground techno, try listening to jazz music. These are a couple examples but I think most will get the point. Expand your horizon beyond your own preferences. 😉
do you own the building? what happens if the landlord wants to sell their property?
Then he be fucked
I can't get enough of these videos! So many valuable tips in there, I really love implementing your ideas! Keep these uploads coming Jon!
dude it is looking amazing good job and thank you for all videos
Hey Jon! Great video! Good advice!
great episode, i love the studio, it's so amazing!
waiting for the Airpods Max Test ;)
Thank you for the info although, like some others, disagree with your first part. The vocals were tonally correct but possibly kept on a different note to build up and switch later to more "correct" notes. It's often used to build tension (through waiting).
Anyway I purchased your sample packs yesterday. For $5 it's a really good deal. Will go through them in the next few days.
my absolute worst investment was to buy EZ Drummer off of pluginboutique on sale last year. It literally didn't do anything for me, did not bring any value to my project working in Ableton live 10 suite.
Anyone else made the switch to the new Air/BigSur? Jon loves it!
My new M1 16GB 1TB SSD shipped today! 🎉 🤤
@@matt_nyc_audioengineer Air? Congrats!
@@christophertodman8254 no no I got the Mini!
@@matt_nyc_audioengineer Awesome congrats.
Best vid yet thanks Jon
the studio loocks amasing Jon, AWESOME!!!!
This is actually a pretty good and informative video. Keep it up!
John, I watch every video, every day and I’ve never left a comment but I feel compelled to right now. I am a professional audio engineer. I went to school for it and do it full time for a living. That being said, your advice about too many plug-ins was spot on except what you said about compression. Compression is absolutely essential to a song. Especially for any tracks in that song that have extreme dynamic range or lots of eq boost or cut. If you know the science behind compression you will know exact what I mean. That was not good advice. Compression is how you make things sit properly in a track especially the low end stuff.
Great advice about eq’ing reverb. Great advice about putting filters on every track, high and low, even if you aren’t doing anything else with the eq but the compression statement just simply isn’t true.
Looking forward to tomorrow’s video thanks for the great content every day!
I didn’t say you don’t need it. It’s just overrated and if you remove all compression it will still sound to a normal listener the same. If you work on a lot of recorded stuff compression is needed more. For edm since everything is already compressed it’s not so essential
@@Jonsine you know what, I didn’t even think about it that way. I mostly work on rock, pop and electro pop. All with live instruments, I don’t have a ton of experience with software instruments or synths. I do know that when I do get them they are pretty easy to mix so that’s probably why. Thank you for clarifying that.
you are honest about the gears and i like it a lot
Great video! Thanks. For me, one mistake I make is having too much happening at once. When I'm able to prune things, the song usually gets better. 🤓
Very helpfull video, thank you
Jon Sins
Most important in music production:
1. Melodies
2. Sound selection
3. Arrangement
This video is GOLD !!!
I was looking at your face so much your sweater threw me off, Ha, biskuwi on youtube mentions of stone snares, is that taking samples of a pebble, medium pebble, stone , medium stone ect between a mm candy, to an egg,(round river rock) hitting a snare at say 6 inch drop to sample layer instead of a live drummer doing a snare swell , or volume automation any thoughts?
Hey. What computer keyboard is that? Is your desk custom made? How about a video walkthrough of your studio and what gear youre using?
Also what monitor did you end up staying with? No curved? Ultrawide?
Very eye opening video.
Next: the top10 sines we should embrace
Nothing in Music is a sin. There are no rules.. There is no wrong way to make art.. If you like it and you're proud of it then you made it the right way. Avoid these video titles man!!
So may people say never produce in Locrian mode.
Björk does! She's a genius of musical art
Music - by definition is not noise - so there are rules
@@CFox.7 and what rules are they???
This is so useful! All the mentioned things (I don't usually use/do what's mentioned 🤔) make me feel like a beginner again 😂
Hey man, did you think about ventilation ?
Yes sure
1:27 ... I don't agree... It is Ok and important are maybe next chords in overall context, which we didn't hear...
Bravo Jon
This Vlog was so informative
Please make a mixing series and production series ❤
id say leveling is more important than EQ. if you levels are not balanced the master will emphasize the loud parts and make it sound like shit. p.s the vocal I could not hear that lol
THANK YOU ✌
Eqing reverb? I do it.....
you betta
Hello Jon: Would you consider tracks that are not properly mixed, but maybe might pass composition wise?
Yes but usually the mixing is not the problem
Damn it, Jon! Now I'm hungry! Seriously, all valid points! 👍
Wooowuuuuu release ashes.....
This of the voices that are not in the key. I think it is a recurring problem in some voices. For example in the voices you gave in the remix they were not well tuned, or maybe yes but they do not correspond to a movement of a scale.
That title for sure got my attention
It was not out of key...
gona be a great video thanks
I remember 12 years ago I learned about Waves plugins and noticed that you use Izotope for mastering. I always thought Waves are the best on the market.
constructive criticism. So valuable.
Idea for the next 300 videos....critiquing each entry. Starting at random with...oh I don't know....mine!? :) DJ PhatKeith!
Has this video been changed? I thought i heard a different/extra part demoing the out of key music with the vocal yesterday?
Yes I edited the wrong example in there. It’s gone so no one is confused
1:05 that dancing crane tho
" Honesty Ringz ! "
people really talking about how low this mans speakers are like wtf. let him do what he want....the hell. thats peoples issue not doing what works for them
Jon Sine talks about Jon Sins oh wait no that's another guy.. 😂
Jon...
Its time to learn basic music theory. That first song was in G aeolean (minor) or 6A.
Music Theory is not complicated.
This is disappointing.
@@nathanielarias3411
A turntable is not a piano, unfortunately.
Piano is where we really get to see, hear, and internalize our Music Theory.
When we say something is in “key”....
We mean its within a general scale (ex. Major/Minor etc).
Or
We are referring to its intonation (tuning)
Now Unless I missed (or didn’t hear a b2, M7th, or a major 3rd in the melody, the whole track is squarely in 6A (Gm natural minor scale).
A record label owner/producer can ill afford to make these kind of mistakes.
I really love Jon Sine’s engineering and mixing advice, however.
12:41 But I like myself some tapas🥺
isnt -14 LUFS the standard for spotify etc?
U can change the loudness setting but yes they by default reduce to -14
No gigs no nothin, but endless money to buy analog gear and a music studio. It must be hard being you...
Yes it is. I saved for years to afford all of this with a lot of sacrifice involved and working really hard. If you do the same you can achieve the same. Just go for it
It's a cardinal sin if EDM
Always beeing in key is boring
also like 4 of the remix's in the top 10 were out of key as well, so idk what hes talking about.....
this is a fairly serious issue if he can't tell that those vocals are not out of key lol
I can. Editing mistake 😜
Mix not important???????????? Can't agree with you there.
I agree mixing is insanely important. If the vocals wouldn't sit right, nobody would enjoy listening to it
Corona project ahaha
the remix was in D Major, but the vocals were so out of tune it was cringeworthy, they didn't harmonize at all,
Those speakers on the wall are a bit low dont you think?🤨 should hit your ears square not your desk
The are placed perfectly. Was all measured. The subs face a bit towards the desk but direction isn’t as important for the lows
Personally, I don't use samples at all. Every sound in my tracks is designed and recorded from hardware synths (or at least 80%). So I guess most of the tips in the video do not apply to me? I mean you make it sound like the whole EDM world nowadays is sample-based and not sound designed by the producer himself. Do you really believe that to be true?
First
So your saying nothing matters lol,,,