PSA gives 10s to insiders and large partners and everybody else gets the true tough grade. They have been scamming this hobby since day 1. They will never get a dime of my money.
Let's just get rid of all the grading companies and have Genamint create a vending machine to put your card in and have them spit it out encapsulated with a grade.....Just a thought!
I agree I submitted many cards that would of gem in 2019 but came back as 9 or a few as 8. I'm done with PSA and I believe the stronger grading criteria aka pop control will kill the company. Many people will send else where to get a consistent grade. I'll be sending to BGS to know whats wrong with my cards. I looked at each of my cards and under a loup too. I'm not sending in junk as its a waste of money. PSA is a joke
hhahah nope...psa is king ...its just finally doing it right...all the bulk submission morons on 5$ cards need a new hobby..good luck with those other grading companys lol
Sended my flawless Trae Green Pulsar RC to PSA and it got a 9....The 10 on EBay has a Chip and Printlines🙈🤕 Had that on my German Channel a month ago. It started with 47xxx xxxx
I think it's that PSA has/had an 8-figure backlog of cards and hired a lot of new graders to get through it. There's probably explicit and/or implicit pressure for new graders not to overgrade cards. It may very well even be an explicit mandate from on high - when you're rushing to get through this unfathomably large backlog, erring on the side of conservatism is better than the alternative in terms of business/reputational risk. In fact, this exact dynamic is happening on the comic book side of third-party grading now over at CGC - lots of new graders have been hired to meet the soaring demand in this hot market and suddenly grades are coming back 1 or even 2 notches lower than expected in many cases (and comics are easier to grade than cards). This is surely due to the dynamic I described above, which I think is a MUCH more plausible explanation than the AI or graders learning more over time theories that were presented. I just received two submissions back from CGC and I am appalled at how many cards ended up on the wrong side of the PSA 9/10 divide. I pulled out 10 pristine cards from a brand new 20-pack of Topps Now cards I ordered direct from Topps. I split them up between my 2 submissions so I wouldn't get a lazy grader just giving them all PSA 9s. The first 5 came back as 9s. The second 5 came back as 2 PSA 10s and three 9s. I defy anyone to find any difference in the 9s from the 10s (hint: there aren't any). I don't think it's necessarily targeted pop control on this particular card, but, probably just the unwillingness at both the grader and the company-level to be seen as giving out too many 10s these days as they rush through a huge backlog with many new graders on board.
Eventually all the companies will go to computer grading with a nice high res picture on their website to go along with the slab #. This will all but eliminate counterfeiting. And probably make anything graded before that point worth much less, to the point people will crack open all the old slabs to get re-graded.
@@vendora1 that's an interesting point for buying cards in person, maybe your phone could scan the card and give it a condition grade. And possibly even look for programmed in signs of counterfeit for that particular card. But for buying online I'm not sure how that would work.
@@freedomfight1933 if it has a universal standard then the guesswork is taken out of it online -- as it stands now everyones definition of what a 10 is is totally different and shouldnt be as cards are produced the same way //doesnt matter who the card company is //eventually the hobby needs to take the risk factors out of the equation since we have the tech now to do so or else the hobby isnt going to get better
@@vendora1 I totally agree, but did you mean no slabs because no grading companies? So if you bought online you'd be trusting the sellers reported grade until you physically received the card and could scan it in person I suppose..
Exactly! They claim to be experts but have encased fakes as originals as well as trimmed. Grading is the biggest scam! Why does it cost more to have a 100k valued card graded than one valued at 50 bucks? It's the same job and it doesnt take any more effort to grade one over the other. That is a huge red flag of a sham
Just found your channel. The analysis is 100% accurate. Sent 18 Topps Tiffany cards out of 18 sets super express. Also held close to 300 cards back for bulk submission for a date TBD. Got back 0 10’s, 3 9’s, 6 8’a, 5 7’s, 3 6’s, and a 4!!!!! All pre-screened under magnification lamp. At a minimum they all 1 graded under-graded and that is being conservative in terms of damage. Easily cost me 10’s of thousands. Thanks for putting this information out there. Why ever submit cards to PSA ever again?
Wow. That’s a tough one to take. I’ve had a few other submissions pop after making this video and both were terrible. 7s on modern cards that I checked to the best of my ability at the time. Sure I could always miss something. But 7s on modern stuff was shocking. I think PSA closing really opened up Pandora’s box and allowed their customers to try other graders. I’ve gotten back 4 submissions from SGC and CSG all in about 6 week turnaround. How well those sell compared to PSA time will tell. But if these new grading standards with the software give lower grades it’s going to make it harder for people to use them simply because 10s of any company in most cases out sell a PSA 9 or 8. I’m all for accurate and consistent grading, but once a grading standard has been set in the past, in my opinion it would turn off customers if they were to receive more accurate lower grades. People want accurate grades but also consistent grading. Thanks for watching. Appreciate it.
the very fact psa is makin 10s way harder to obtain is the simple fact they are protecting the valuation of cards owned by the big guys in the hobby -- oh say like the guy that owns psa --that has a collection // not hard to see where the conflict of interest and manipulations are
Damn right! This world is so fn stupid and backwards. The super elite always want evil and to make the mass miserable with the power of money which they control. Then our own damn government is shady asf!!! What do we do as a mass ?? No one that is cool wants to kill folks. They have grown into a huge pile of darkness.
They are making a market for their cards. They want more people to submit cards, give them lower grades, the use that to justify their top grades. They are not transparent in telling the public
Done with PSA… they are inconsistent, behind on orders, terrible with customers and they are worth the most… things are going to change. With prices down I am going elsewhere SGC looks great. PSA is a joke now. I don’t want those slabs anymore.
PSA has been a joke for a long time. Its nice to see that other people are starting to see it too. PSA could care less about the people in the community. They just want your money and people are just chopping at the bit to pay it and wait 2 years for 1 card to come back.
The statistical odds of 18 9s in a row is actually quite high. They may be getting tougher, but are still insanely inconsistent as they always have been.
When you factor in all the possible grades you can get for each of those 18 cards, the odds are not very good. Take out the .5 grades and there are 10 possible grades per card in each spot. 8,436,285 possible combinations. Let’s assume you would never get below an 8 since it’s a modern card, there are still 1,140 possible combinations for those 18 cards.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia not trying be rude, but that analysis is inherently flawed. Ultra modern cards are rarely submitted if not expected to grade 8 or better. Additionally, submitters are more likely to submit potential 8s and 9s (vs just 10s), as players advance in their careers and become more proven investments
@@JustinFarber Not at all. It’s just a video about sports cards. Nothing overly important in the grand scheme of life. I don’t take anything personally on this channel. Take out 8s and focus on just 9s and 10s and there are 171 different possible combinations. 1/171 chance to get all 9s in a row. 005%.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia If the odds of getting each grade were actually equal, you should instead multiple the probability of each individual card getting a 9 (1/3)^18. However the probability of each grade isn't equal - 10s are most rare and there's likely to be more 9s than 8s since people are submitting their best cards. For ultra modern cards, the probability of a 9 is probably well over 50%
Great stuff Matt. Really enjoy that you bring numbers with your discussions. Interesting to hear if PSA still gives out more 10s than their competition. I am betting they do, so this is a win-win for them. Can control the Pop Report and still be the king.
I just got a 168 card submission back with 80% PSA 10. I carefully review the front and back corners and edges with a 10x Peak jewelers loupe. If the corners and edges aren’t perfect I don’t send in the card. If your just submitting cards based on the naked eye, your throwing money away
Nice, I also grade a bunch, have about 30 orders at PSA right now. I see these videos where every RUclipsr does it and breaks down 10s and 9s but none of them factor in the newbie collectors getting cards graded, what condition were these cards when sent in and so many other variables. This hobby was a lot more fun before people talked about cards like a rental property or stocks paying dividends.
With PSA you get as many 10's as you pay for, it does not really matter what a true grade is with PSA. I just saw a return from a big submitter, he got 22 10's in a row, then a 9, then 15 more 10's. What are the odds of that?!?
This was an exchange between a PSA rep and myself over 3 Pokémon cards I had graded. Trust me when I say they were ABSOLUTELY mint. It’s a bit long but worth the read. Start at the bottom… I currently pay for their $99 a year subscription which allows cards to be graded on their economy service for $50. Wonder what would my cards would have been graded had I just paid the $100? Hmmmmmmmmm __________________________________ Jonathan (Collectors Universe) Hello Michael, We completely understand it can be frustrating when there is a difference in opinion regarding the condition of your item. However, it is important to note that we have a minimum of two or more, professional graders review your item and they must agree upon a grade. Although their opinion may differ from your personal perception of the item in question, please know that differences of opinion can occur when determining the quality of any item. Nevertheless, PSA is here to provide a third-party, unbiased opinion to ensure that our customers (whether a buyer, seller or collector) receive the most accurate estimation of the item. Please read through the PSA Grading Standards available online to gain insight as to why our graders may have provided the result listed on the item. If you still disagree with the results, you may resubmit it for Review; however, this is a paid-for service, and you will be responsible for the full grading fee and shipping charges. PSA can review any card(s) that you feel warrants a different grade. To utilize our Review service, please fill out a submission form via the Online Submission Center and select “Review” as the Submission Type. Then select the appropriate Service Level. Best regards, Jonathan PSA Customer Service Michael N This is a follow-up to your previous request #450770 "PSA Customer Request Center..." Hi Jonathan, I’m really not trying to be difficult but that answer is not acceptable to me. If the 2 graders don’t have notes on the cards to compare how can they possibly agree upon a grade? I read through the link you sent. Even by your standards for a GEM Mint 10 grade: “an allowance may be made for a slight printing imperfection” - When I bought my wife’s engagement ring, I was given a document which explained the flaws so if the diamond ever needed to be resold, the next purchaser would know. - When someone buys a used car they get a CarFax report to discover the flaws in the vehicle. - When I bought my house I had someone come to check the foundation and the structural integrity and then was given a report on the findings. See where I’m going? I do not find it unreasonable to ask and then be presented with a brief synopsis of what the defects are. I have been buying Pokemon cards for my children for the past 7 years, we are collectors and keep them in immaculate condition. In fact my kids don’t even PLAY the game itself. I will say again without any hesitation 2 out of the 3 cards should have been GEMs. We are the original purchasers and owners. They were taken right from the opened pack, inspected, sleeved, then shipped to PSA. I would not have had them graded if they weren’t perfect. (we learned our lesson with a couple cards we had graded last year.)\ One of the reasons I think something there is flawed is that one of the 3 cards submitted was received in trade at a local library Pokemon event. It clearly had VISIBLE flaws, something which the other 2 did not. So if one of the cards has visible flaws and the other do not, how can they all be graded the same? It’s common knowledge that since the beginning of the pandemic card collecting has seen a huge increase and as a result, PSA has had to hire a lot of new people in the last year or so to keep up with the submissions. Is it possible that quality control has diminished and that maybe inexperienced graders looked at these cards? I don’t think that’s unreasonable to assume… As you know, the value of the card from 9 to Gem practically doubles on these cards. Which is why I am requesting a complimentary resubmission of 2 of the 3 cards to be re-evaluated. I say this again with the utmost confidence. There is no way 2 of these cards are not Gem 10. Thank you. Michael Newman Jonathan (Collectors Universe) Hello Michael, We did check to see if the three Charizards had any specific notations to inform you why they graded out at 9, but currently our graders do not leave notes as to why the cards grade out as such. However, it is important to note that we have a minimum of two or more, professional graders to review your item and they must agree upon a grade. Nevertheless, PSA is here to provide a third-party, unbiased opinion to ensure that our customers (whether a buyer, seller or collector) receive the most accurate estimation of the item. Please read through the PSA Grading Standards available online to gain insight as to why our graders may have provided the result listed on the item. If you have any other questions please let us know, and thank you for choosing PSA. Sincerely, Jonathan PSA Customer Service Michael N Hi Jonathan Thanks for the reply. Could you please tell me then what defects the grader found so I will know in the future (considering all cards I would submit would be pack fresh) what to look for? Thank you. Michael Jonathan (Collectors Universe) Hello Michael, Thank you for reaching out to PSA Customer Service. We would be glad to assist you with this inquiry. There seems to be a common misconception that “freshly pulled cards” are automatically worthy of a PSA 10 grade, or at a minimum, PSA 9. This is the case with not only ultra-modern (2017-present) submissions, but also packs that are decades old. What submitters often forget is that PSA considers multiple factors beyond obvious wear and tear when assigning a grade to a card, many of which don’t necessarily come from handling of the card. The manufacturing of a card plays an equally large role in the grading process as the condition of its corners and edges, poor centering, and any surface issues and manufacturing print defects can all dramatically affect the grade as well. With higher quality control standards and better manufacturing practices employed these days, pulling higher-grade cards directly out of newer packs has become more likely, but is not a guarantee. The key point to remember is that the graders reserve the right, based on the strength or weakness of the condition and eye appeal, to make a judgment call on the grade of a card. If you still disagree with the results, you may resubmit it for Review; however, this is a paid-for service, and you will be responsible for the full grading fee and shipping charges. For more info on freshly new packs check out the blog post: blog.psacard.com/2020/10/15/not-all-fresh-pulls-grade-psa-gem-mint-10/ Best regards, Jonathan PSA Customer Service ORIGINAL QUERY TO PSA: Label Correction Request Customer Name: Michael Customer Number: 1762640 Phone Number: Address1: 1000 State: TN Postal Code: ITEM 1: PSA Cert Number: 61469647, 61469648, 61469649 Description: Hello I just received 3 cards, I will say without any hesitation 2 out of the 3 cards should have been GEMs. I am the original purchaser and owner. They were taken right from the opened pack, put into a sleeve, then put in a safe place until they were shipped. Centering, edges, everything perfect. I would have not sent them to be graded had I not inspected them before. Please let me know what we need to do to correct this. Thank you. Michael Newman This email is a service from Collectors Universe. Delivered by Zendesk [7MVPOO-4W8G]
I am reading some comments and it appears many people don’t understand the process. PSA doesn’t have a calculator trying to keep grade pops within an imaginary tolerance. It’s depending on many factors,imo. The choice of submission, handling of item pack to slab, shipping and then the grading process. They won’t have multiple people working on individual orders to keep mistakes to a minimum. The Graders are the real X-factor. Maybe they could be considering the pop report. But it will probably be consistently good or bad depending on the actual grader. I imagine it’s more of a passion than just job to many.
@Cardboard Cheddar Great points. I think also the influx of new graders sending in cards and the lack of quality control by the card companies are large factors of lower grades. A lot of first time graders are just sending in anything without knowing what to really look for. Panini is cranking out millions of more cards without increasing the size of their QA department. Prizm basketball and mosaic anything are notoriously off centered or scratched coming out of the packs. All of the 2021 Topps Series 1 that I opened this year has been OC as well. All of this coupled with your points and new graders and AI is creating the situation we are seeing now.
I had a seven card CC sub entered on 10/26/20, got it back 5/26/21. Was pleasantly surprised. Five of seven gemmed, and one of the 10s I thought was definitely a 9 due to a surface flaw and another I had thought might possibly be an 8. And the two 9s I was expecting to be 8s. So, just illustrating that it's still possible to get decent grades.
When you say it’s possible to get “Decent Grades,” do you think they graded your cards correctly or missed some minor flaws you were able to critic with your layman abilities? Is it a good thing that they are handing out grades and not literally grading each piece on a case by case basis?
I thought the 10 would be a 9 because there was a fine print line running through the player's name. It didn't impact the "eye appeal" because it was only visible at certain angles, but it was definitely there. I don't recall why I thought there was a chance the other 10 would be an 8. I think one corner was questionable. The two 9s that I thought could be 8s I guess was my inexperience grading Prizm/Select. I've graded dozens of non-chrome/Prizm cards and have been able to reasonably predict the grades. I find the Prizm/Select cards often have imperfections in the grooves of the designs of those cards and I didn't know how harshly they grade the surface. It's been such a long time, I'll have to take a look at the cards again.
Do you think of the influx of new people into the hobby correlates to lower PSA 10’s as well? Personally I do because I have had several new investors or collectors show me some cards they would turn into PSA and I would tell them minor imperfections through pictures. If I can tell flaws through high resolution photos the graders will probably never give that a 10. Thanks for the info! Great insights.
Potentially yes if it were a more gradual drop. The big drop off is what caught my eye. But yes submitting every card under the sun (I’ve been guilty of that) would contribute to a lower psa 10 rate. Thx for watching.
I will never waste my money again on psa.. Its a scam. Recently got back large submission just to adress modern out of 120 115 9 5 were 8 in the past it was all at least 30 tens .. im disgusted at the amount of money wasted Ill only use sgc from here on
I am not even worried about getting 10s I sent in some very vintage cards and I know for a fact they gave me bad grades on purpose. I sent in a bunch of 1949 bowman to start I sent in the Jackie robinson rookie I did the super fast turn around to get it back to see how psa would be grading. This card was the worst condition I sent in I thought it was around a 5 and if I got VERY lucky a 6 it came back a 4 I was sad but not shocked. Using that card as the baseline I sent in more from the set. Two I will talk about was the Stan Musial and Yogi. The stan was a clear two grades higher than the jackie it was not close 4 sharp corners no creases perfect color it was about 60-40 off center I figured this was a 6 basing it off the jackie that card came back a 4... I was in shock. Now the Yogi this card is insane when I bought the set the first words out of my mouth where "I wish the jackie was in the same condition as the Yogi. I am not saying it was a 10 because those are next to impossible but I could not find a flaw on the card. The red was perfect deep red the boarders were a perfect white centering perfect corners sharp this card looks as if it just came out of a pack. Now I kept my thinking in check and at the very worst I thought a 7 but really in the back of my mind my guess was it would be a 8. this card was clearly the best card of all 200 I bought and all 200 were in great shape. So just got the Yogi back and they graded it a 4........ I am going to make a video on this show the card from every angle "after I break the case" and I will send it to a different company total joke. The last card I sent was the jodan sticker rookie. This card was not perfect it had a small bend in the corner and it was off center but good looking card no stains I was guessing around a 5-6 because its more modern and I know they grade those cards harder. The jordan came back a 1. I have seen cards that are graded a 1 they are trashed like gone I have no idea what the hell they were thinking basically they just trashed all my cards with 2 exceptions they gave two bryant rookie's 9s the rest they just trashed and wasted my time and money
I saw my grades for my express order from March 2020, got absolutely destroyed on my 88 fleer basketball. My Jordan All Star pulled a 6, when I compare if to previously graded cards it's unreal. For sure has me heading to other companies with better looking slabs and hopefully consistent grading.
It's tough to tell from just one month of data (May). Remember there was a tsunami of cards submitted just prior to the price increase in March so many of those cards are probably lesser quality and the numbers could be skewing lower. But I do think the grades coming back are more 9s than 10s now. 33% gem mint sounds about right. 2020 Prizm Football gems below 30%, select football and prizm basketball gem rates are below 35%. Somebody else speculated that there are alot of new graders over there and they err to give more 9s if they see any little blemish.
I don’t want to buy a graded ten card in CSG or SGC because ppl want 10s and these companies will be more loss with there grades I want a 10 card because it’s worthy of a ten grade not some piece sitting in a 10 graded slab.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia you can literally find threads on PSA forums every year saying they are tougher this year because my last sub got killed for X reason. I have been using them for 20 years and grade variation is the least of their issues
These fluctuations will invalidate PSA grades and will lead to individuals scrutinizing rather than accepting the grade and drive volatility in sales prices for similar graded cards.
PSA has always been extremely tough on grading since I started submitting 7 years ago but I submit a lot of vintage, if you’re talking ultra modern then maybe
Feels like this video is a couple days early. I think people would gain a lot of insight if they watch Nat on SCL from this past Saturday. It won't change much for those w tin foil hats but answers a lot of questions and suspicions mentioned here.
This is what happens when idiots send in there wothless base cards to try and flip. I see so many random base cards people trying to grade and flip and I'm wondering why they would waste there time doing that
A 3000 card sample size from one submitter is not nearly enough to make inferences about the total population of cards graded each month. Those stats have no statistical significance!
Not huge in comparison to the amount of cards PSA grades per month. There are factors that I didn’t have access to that could affect the data. For example, types of cards graded each month. Were the same people sending in cards (experienced or non experienced card grader)? All those would factor into the data. However, in most statistical studies a minimum sample size of 100 is considered the baseline. 3,000 while not huge, is a decent size when compared over 5 months. Thanks for watching. Appreciate it.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia I understand the constraints, though significance tests don't have an arbitrary numerical sample size requirement. The sample needs to be compared to the total population of cards graded each month. Before PSA shut down their economy service, they reported receiving over 500,000 cards per WEEK*. The selection bias as you mentioned also means the data cannot be viewed as representative of the total population graded.
@@JustinFarber I'm not sure how you're sourcing your information, but in the stats class I took, and what's done in most marketing departments these days, requires a sample size of at least 2000. The relatively to the total count has no bearing.
@@sw1217 variables for calculating statistical significance include total population, sample size, and significanve level. I just took a graduate level stats course
In my First PSA submission ever - I sent in 11x Kabooms, Net Marvels and Kobe 90s inserts and got 55% GEM 10 rate, with one PSA 8. I heard Kabooms are hard to GEM and I got 3x 10s.... I think group Submitters are the way to go(?)
Group submissions are absolutely the way to go. Especially, if the Submitters will pre-evaluate and prepare their customers items for submission to a Grading Company.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia my reply was to the question you asked “is PsA grading sports cards tougher in 2021.” They’re probably able to be tougher on the submissions backed up from last year as well because they’ve got all hands on deck with customers waiting for past due cards, can’t open back up till they’re caught up, and won’t get future business if they continued poor quality control after all the b.s.
I would think that all PSA 10's will not be equally valued hereon. I would be more skeptical of 10's graded prior to the new system, as many of those cards would be evaluated as 9's by the new system. Maybe not... do others think they will look more closely at the 10's they are considering for purchase? My guess is PSA will lose a lot of business and eventually revert to more lenient standards. All I come across is pissed off customers which isn't a good look for the PSA brand...
If this is true I'll just stick with beckett. Whole reason psa competes with them is becuase of their grading system and if they try to compete they'll will lose
I have gotten two orders returned from PSA in the last 3 weeks. On those two orders combined of 70 cards, got 39 PSA 10s, a gem rate of 56%. Many of those cards were purchased in lots of ebay months ago and there were a few that were picked up at shows. I was very pleasantly pleased with the results, particularly seeing the grades others have received recently. I have concluded that its still possible to get a fair amount of good grades on orders. I have a modern order due back in a month or so, and a vintage 20 card order soon after. Those grades will tell me much more about how they are doing than these two recent delivered orders.
Always good info. Yes I find myself gravitating to SGC for a clean affordable slab graded as a 10. I've gotten where I ONLY send to CSG if my card has green (Seahawks, packers, parallels, ect.) on it because I hate the slab coloring. Just my thoughts as a collector and a flipper
@@cardsandcomics Depends if resell or collecting. I find the uniformed buyer would prefer a 10 SGC for the number and look than a 10 no sub grades CSC. Maybe it's just brand recognition. When I got into the hobby I always thought becket was the best and valued a 9.5 over a PSA 10. But again that was when I was an uniformed buyer
@@DabiMidGG I agree I like their looks and that's fine. I have crossed over a lot of SGC to PSA and in general PSA grades much tougher at least on vintage
where are the best sites to buy autographs? im looking for a nhl jersey, I would assume the shopnhl shop is legit, but i dont want to assume i want to be sure before jumping in
i have collected card autos for a bit but its a bit easier to be sure your getting a legit item on a trading card that came from a pack signed verses jerseys
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia so are they completely trustworthy or so i still need to watch out for fakes? and are the ones such as shopnhl ok as well? just for a couple places to be able to look at
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia sorry for my lack of knowledge but just want to be sure before i buy 300-500$ item that it’s guaranteed to be real and not avoid hassle and cost of authentication
Bro help me out here... i submitted my cards on Nov 13 to a group submitter and paid for the regular service. Last update I received was back on March 11 stating I was in the Research and ID Phase... havent heard back since .. did they charge me for Regular Service but actually submitted Economy??
I think a lot of Express and super Express ‘jumped the Line’ since March, also I noticed that $150 express orders are jumping ahead of $75 express orders, same would be true of the $100 regulars jumping in front of $50 regulars.
A card should either be a 9 or a 10, etc., simple as that. Controlling grades like this delegitimizes the entire process of grading.. makes it meaningless
@@mjhout how would he know what order they grade the cards in? Because he thinks so? Until it’s proven they do them in the order you pack them I’m 100% not believing this take.
@@mjhout I think that's there overall goal, grade in the order you submit your cards. That's why any grading company tells you to put your cards in order of how you submitted them. If they are not in order, it could lead to delayed grading times. Not that it matters with PSA turn around times. Its still 2 years for 1 card.
fuck yeah they are its bullshit they are trying to create rarity because of the increased interest in cards the grades dont mean shit these days its all about money i just got back 120 cards 7 psa 10s i screen my cards under magnifying glass
Wouldn’t the fewer 10’s help the values of lower grades? Or at least make them more desirable. Could be good for someone with a lot of desirable cards in less than great shape.
I haven't watched the vid before commenting...my guess is they took in less cards last year (year over year) and this year's number of 10's has probably blown away last year's numbers.
I just got a 168 card submission back with 80% PSA 10. I carefully review the front and back corners and edges with a 10x Peak jewelers loupe. If the corners and edges aren’t perfect I don’t send in the card. If your just submitting cards based on the naked eye, your throwing money away
@@danielhicks1682 Yeah I was still successful with a slightly lower rate of 10's back from PSA. They may be a little more strict as I did not get any surprises for my better, but the grades seemed about the same as they always were. I think you are right, more rookie submitters, and people rushing to send off everything they had before PSA raised prices /shut it down.
@@danielhicks1682 I usually get lucky on the ones I grade 9/10 before I submit, last order they all came back 9's, usually I get a few that come back 10's.
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PSA gives 10s to insiders and large partners and everybody else gets the true tough grade. They have been scamming this hobby since day 1. They will never get a dime of my money.
exactly my thoughts -- been sayin this since day oneish
Pretty sure that its been proven that you can "Buy Grades"
@@GriseldaBSF410 indeed-its why it is a scam
100% correct. They have only had one 1968 Topps Nolan Ryan psa 10. It’s owned by the president of PSA
@@SportscardLyle_onIG I agree with what we are all saying but your example doesnt exactly further prove it. Isnt possible he bought the card?
Let's just get rid of all the grading companies and have Genamint create a vending machine to put your card in and have them spit it out encapsulated with a grade.....Just a thought!
That’s what I’m about!
I agree I submitted many cards that would of gem in 2019 but came back as 9 or a few as 8. I'm done with PSA and I believe the stronger grading criteria aka pop control will kill the company. Many people will send else where to get a consistent grade. I'll be sending to BGS to know whats wrong with my cards. I looked at each of my cards and under a loup too. I'm not sending in junk as its a waste of money. PSA is a joke
hhahah nope...psa is king ...its just finally doing it right...all the bulk submission morons on 5$ cards need a new hobby..good luck with those other grading companys lol
Sended my flawless Trae Green Pulsar RC to PSA and it got a 9....The 10 on EBay has a Chip and Printlines🙈🤕 Had that on my German Channel a month ago. It started with 47xxx xxxx
@@m2bskp great example of grading bein scammy and shady
Same here … I don’t like companies that treat their customers like shit. Just submitted to SGC … never going back To PSA
@@LITMOVIESCENES psa isn’t kind that’s just stupid i will agree though the 5 buck cards for bulk was ruining things
I think it's that PSA has/had an 8-figure backlog of cards and hired a lot of new graders to get through it. There's probably explicit and/or implicit pressure for new graders not to overgrade cards. It may very well even be an explicit mandate from on high - when you're rushing to get through this unfathomably large backlog, erring on the side of conservatism is better than the alternative in terms of business/reputational risk.
In fact, this exact dynamic is happening on the comic book side of third-party grading now over at CGC - lots of new graders have been hired to meet the soaring demand in this hot market and suddenly grades are coming back 1 or even 2 notches lower than expected in many cases (and comics are easier to grade than cards). This is surely due to the dynamic I described above, which I think is a MUCH more plausible explanation than the AI or graders learning more over time theories that were presented.
I just received two submissions back from CGC and I am appalled at how many cards ended up on the wrong side of the PSA 9/10 divide. I pulled out 10 pristine cards from a brand new 20-pack of Topps Now cards I ordered direct from Topps. I split them up between my 2 submissions so I wouldn't get a lazy grader just giving them all PSA 9s. The first 5 came back as 9s. The second 5 came back as 2 PSA 10s and three 9s. I defy anyone to find any difference in the 9s from the 10s (hint: there aren't any). I don't think it's necessarily targeted pop control on this particular card, but, probably just the unwillingness at both the grader and the company-level to be seen as giving out too many 10s these days as they rush through a huge backlog with many new graders on board.
Completely agree. Grab up all 10’s now especially on players that are discounted vs. their previous highs. Don’t ever submit again.
thats the best way to show why grading is inherently flawed tradergene
@@wafdawg been buying up giannis antetokounmpo from prizm and select
Perception is Reality and PSA has a big problem--that is reality!!
Eventually all the companies will go to computer grading with a nice high res picture on their website to go along with the slab #. This will all but eliminate counterfeiting. And probably make anything graded before that point worth much less, to the point people will crack open all the old slabs to get re-graded.
then why have grading card company? make the tech available to buy directly to the collectors //thats where i see it going
@@vendora1 that's an interesting point for buying cards in person, maybe your phone could scan the card and give it a condition grade. And possibly even look for programmed in signs of counterfeit for that particular card. But for buying online I'm not sure how that would work.
@@freedomfight1933 if it has a universal standard then the guesswork is taken out of it online -- as it stands now everyones definition of what a 10 is is totally different and shouldnt be as cards are produced the same way //doesnt matter who the card company is //eventually the hobby needs to take the risk factors out of the equation since we have the tech now to do so or else the hobby isnt going to get better
@@vendora1 I totally agree, but did you mean no slabs because no grading companies? So if you bought online you'd be trusting the sellers reported grade until you physically received the card and could scan it in person I suppose..
@@freedomfight1933 indeed that way if it isnt what was reported to be then you have a dispute and backed up by the tech
Exactly! They claim to be experts but have encased fakes as originals as well as trimmed. Grading is the biggest scam! Why does it cost more to have a 100k valued card graded than one valued at 50 bucks? It's the same job and it doesnt take any more effort to grade one over the other. That is a huge red flag of a sham
Just found your channel. The analysis is 100% accurate. Sent 18 Topps Tiffany cards out of 18 sets super express. Also held close to 300 cards back for bulk submission for a date TBD. Got back 0 10’s, 3 9’s, 6 8’a, 5 7’s, 3 6’s, and a 4!!!!! All pre-screened under magnification lamp. At a minimum they all 1 graded under-graded and that is being conservative in terms of damage. Easily cost me 10’s of thousands. Thanks for putting this information out there. Why ever submit cards to PSA ever again?
Wow. That’s a tough one to take. I’ve had a few other submissions pop after making this video and both were terrible. 7s on modern cards that I checked to the best of my ability at the time. Sure I could always miss something. But 7s on modern stuff was shocking. I think PSA closing really opened up Pandora’s box and allowed their customers to try other graders. I’ve gotten back 4 submissions from SGC and CSG all in about 6 week turnaround. How well those sell compared to PSA time will tell. But if these new grading standards with the software give lower grades it’s going to make it harder for people to use them simply because 10s of any company in most cases out sell a PSA 9 or 8. I’m all for accurate and consistent grading, but once a grading standard has been set in the past, in my opinion it would turn off customers if they were to receive more accurate lower grades. People want accurate grades but also consistent grading. Thanks for watching. Appreciate it.
the very fact psa is makin 10s way harder to obtain is the simple fact they are protecting the valuation of cards owned by the big guys in the hobby -- oh say like the guy that owns psa --that has a collection // not hard to see where the conflict of interest and manipulations are
Damn right! This world is so fn stupid and backwards. The super elite always want evil and to make the mass miserable with the power of money which they control. Then our own damn government is shady asf!!! What do we do as a mass ?? No one that is cool wants to kill folks. They have grown into a huge pile of darkness.
They are making a market for their cards. They want more people to submit cards, give them lower grades, the use that to justify their top grades. They are not transparent in telling the public
Done with PSA… they are inconsistent, behind on orders, terrible with customers and they are worth the most… things are going to change. With prices down I am going elsewhere SGC looks great. PSA is a joke now. I don’t want those slabs anymore.
I’ve been happy with sgc so far.
PSA has been a joke for a long time. Its nice to see that other people are starting to see it too. PSA could care less about the people in the community. They just want your money and people are just chopping at the bit to pay it and wait 2 years for 1 card to come back.
The statistical odds of 18 9s in a row is actually quite high. They may be getting tougher, but are still insanely inconsistent as they always have been.
When you factor in all the possible grades you can get for each of those 18 cards, the odds are not very good. Take out the .5 grades and there are 10 possible grades per card in each spot. 8,436,285 possible combinations. Let’s assume you would never get below an 8 since it’s a modern card, there are still 1,140 possible combinations for those 18 cards.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia not trying be rude, but that analysis is inherently flawed. Ultra modern cards are rarely submitted if not expected to grade 8 or better. Additionally, submitters are more likely to submit potential 8s and 9s (vs just 10s), as players advance in their careers and become more proven investments
@@JustinFarber Not at all. It’s just a video about sports cards. Nothing overly important in the grand scheme of life. I don’t take anything personally on this channel. Take out 8s and focus on just 9s and 10s and there are 171 different possible combinations. 1/171 chance to get all 9s in a row. 005%.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia If the odds of getting each grade were actually equal, you should instead multiple the probability of each individual card getting a 9 (1/3)^18. However the probability of each grade isn't equal - 10s are most rare and there's likely to be more 9s than 8s since people are submitting their best cards. For ultra modern cards, the probability of a 9 is probably well over 50%
If PSA wants to make 10's harder they are going to have to add a 9.5 grade
They will never do that, the big time collectors will revolt
@@cardsandcomics yup thus why its a manipulation of the market served up by the big boys in the hobby
The old timers are just that… they will fade away and die off. Your time is up.
@@marvelouspacks35 dont count your chickens before they hatch
@@vendora1 okay Benjamin button stfu
Great stuff Matt. Really enjoy that you bring numbers with your discussions. Interesting to hear if PSA still gives out more 10s than their competition. I am betting they do, so this is a win-win for them. Can control the Pop Report and still be the king.
I just got a 168 card submission back with 80% PSA 10. I carefully review the front and back corners and edges with a 10x Peak jewelers loupe. If the corners and edges aren’t perfect I don’t send in the card. If your just submitting cards based on the naked eye, your throwing money away
Yes a magnifying light helps big time.
Nice, I also grade a bunch, have about 30 orders at PSA right now. I see these videos where every RUclipsr does it and breaks down 10s and 9s but none of them factor in the newbie collectors getting cards graded, what condition were these cards when sent in and so many other variables. This hobby was a lot more fun before people talked about cards like a rental property or stocks paying dividends.
Great video. Always watch when you post
With PSA you get as many 10's as you pay for, it does not really matter what a true grade is with PSA. I just saw a return from a big submitter, he got 22 10's in a row, then a 9, then 15 more 10's. What are the odds of that?!?
Oh yea it’s definitely favoritism going on. Don’t they have some type of club or subscription too? I know that’ll play a part
Great video . Thanks for sharing this information with us
no mention of HGA? will they make a favorable impact with their services levels alone? They appear to be a tougher grade than BGS in a nice slab
I’ve talked about them a few times in other videos.
Good info 👍 thanks dude
Excellent video thanks!
You never really talk about BGS much. Do you not like them? I tend to like them the most right now. Good rep., and I love the Multiple grades.
I’m not a huge fan of their slabs. They are my least favorite. I personally always avoid them. But that’s just me.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia I guess they are just that strong middle ground to me. But, yes. To each their own. I hope you're having a good week
This was an exchange between a PSA rep and myself over 3 Pokémon cards I had graded. Trust me when I say they were ABSOLUTELY mint.
It’s a bit long but worth the read. Start at the bottom…
I currently pay for their $99 a year subscription which allows cards to be graded on their economy service for $50.
Wonder what would my cards would have been graded had I just paid the $100? Hmmmmmmmmm
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Jonathan (Collectors Universe)
Hello Michael,
We completely understand it can be frustrating when there is a difference in opinion regarding the condition of your item. However, it is important to note that we have a minimum of two or more, professional graders review your item and they must agree upon a grade. Although their opinion may differ from your personal perception of the item in question, please know that differences of opinion can occur when determining the quality of any item.
Nevertheless, PSA is here to provide a third-party, unbiased opinion to ensure that our customers (whether a buyer, seller or collector) receive the most accurate estimation of the item. Please read through the PSA Grading Standards available online to gain insight as to why our graders may have provided the result listed on the item.
If you still disagree with the results, you may resubmit it for Review; however, this is a paid-for service, and you will be responsible for the full grading fee and shipping charges.
PSA can review any card(s) that you feel warrants a different grade. To utilize our Review service, please fill out a submission form via the Online Submission Center and select “Review” as the Submission Type. Then select the appropriate Service Level.
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Michael N
This is a follow-up to your previous request #450770 "PSA Customer Request Center..."
Hi Jonathan,
I’m really not trying to be difficult but that answer is not acceptable to me. If the 2 graders don’t have notes on the cards to compare how can they possibly agree upon a grade? I read through the link you sent. Even by your standards for a GEM Mint 10 grade: “an allowance may be made for a slight printing imperfection”
- When I bought my wife’s engagement ring, I was given a document which explained the flaws so if the diamond ever needed to be resold, the next purchaser would know.
- When someone buys a used car they get a CarFax report to discover the flaws in the vehicle.
- When I bought my house I had someone come to check the foundation and the structural integrity and then was given a report on the findings.
See where I’m going? I do not find it unreasonable to ask and then be presented with a brief synopsis of what the defects are.
I have been buying Pokemon cards for my children for the past 7 years, we are collectors and keep them in immaculate condition. In fact my kids don’t even PLAY the game itself.
I will say again without any hesitation 2 out of the 3 cards should have been GEMs. We are the original purchasers and owners. They were taken right from the opened pack, inspected, sleeved, then shipped to PSA. I would not have had them graded if they weren’t perfect. (we learned our lesson with a couple cards we had graded last year.)\
One of the reasons I think something there is flawed is that one of the 3 cards submitted was received in trade at a local library Pokemon event. It clearly had VISIBLE flaws, something which the other 2 did not.
So if one of the cards has visible flaws and the other do not, how can they all be graded the same?
It’s common knowledge that since the beginning of the pandemic card collecting has seen a huge increase and as a result, PSA has had to hire a lot of new people in the last year or so to keep up with the submissions. Is it possible that quality control has diminished and that maybe inexperienced graders looked at these cards? I don’t think that’s unreasonable to assume…
As you know, the value of the card from 9 to Gem practically doubles on these cards. Which is why I am requesting a complimentary resubmission of 2 of the 3 cards to be re-evaluated. I say this again with the utmost confidence. There is no way 2 of these cards are not Gem 10.
Thank you.
Michael Newman
Jonathan (Collectors Universe)
Hello Michael,
We did check to see if the three Charizards had any specific notations to inform you why they graded out at 9, but currently our graders do not leave notes as to why the cards grade out as such.
However, it is important to note that we have a minimum of two or more, professional graders to review your item and they must agree upon a grade. Nevertheless, PSA is here to provide a third-party, unbiased opinion to ensure that our customers (whether a buyer, seller or collector) receive the most accurate estimation of the item. Please read through the PSA Grading Standards available online to gain insight as to why our graders may have provided the result listed on the item.
If you have any other questions please let us know, and thank you for choosing PSA.
Sincerely,
Jonathan
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Michael N
Hi Jonathan
Thanks for the reply.
Could you please tell me then what defects the grader found so I will know in the future (considering all cards I would submit would be pack fresh) what to look for?
Thank you.
Michael
Jonathan (Collectors Universe)
Hello Michael,
Thank you for reaching out to PSA Customer Service. We would be glad to assist you with this inquiry.
There seems to be a common misconception that “freshly pulled cards” are automatically worthy of a PSA 10 grade, or at a minimum, PSA 9. This is the case with not only ultra-modern (2017-present) submissions, but also packs that are decades old.
What submitters often forget is that PSA considers multiple factors beyond obvious wear and tear when assigning a grade to a card, many of which don’t necessarily come from handling of the card. The manufacturing of a card plays an equally large role in the grading process as the condition of its corners and edges, poor centering, and any surface issues and manufacturing print defects can all dramatically affect the grade as well.
With higher quality control standards and better manufacturing practices employed these days, pulling higher-grade cards directly out of newer packs has become more likely, but is not a guarantee.
The key point to remember is that the graders reserve the right, based on the strength or weakness of the condition and eye appeal, to make a judgment call on the grade of a card.
If you still disagree with the results, you may resubmit it for Review; however, this is a paid-for service, and you will be responsible for the full grading fee and shipping charges.
For more info on freshly new packs check out the blog post: blog.psacard.com/2020/10/15/not-all-fresh-pulls-grade-psa-gem-mint-10/
Best regards,
Jonathan
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Description: Hello I just received 3 cards, I will say without any hesitation 2 out of the 3 cards should have been GEMs. I am the original purchaser and owner. They were taken right from the opened pack, put into a sleeve, then put in a safe place until they were shipped. Centering, edges, everything perfect. I would have not sent them to be graded had I not inspected them before. Please let me know what we need to do to correct this. Thank you. Michael Newman
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could it be because the qualities of cards being released each year goes down??? because companies prefer quantity more?
Would be more consistent. The falling off a cliff in May is what caught my eye.
Great content. I'd be curious on your take on how this will effect vintage cards.
Someone commented below that received their vintage grades recently and got some rough grades. Sounded like a seasoned grader.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia I must have missed it. I'll have to go back and try to find it.
I am reading some comments and it appears many people don’t understand the process. PSA doesn’t have a calculator trying to keep grade pops within an imaginary tolerance. It’s depending on many factors,imo. The choice of submission, handling of item pack to slab, shipping and then the grading process. They won’t have multiple people working on individual orders to keep mistakes to a minimum. The Graders are the real X-factor. Maybe they could be considering the pop report. But it will probably be consistently good or bad depending on the actual grader. I imagine it’s more of a passion than just job to many.
@Cardboard Cheddar Great points. I think also the influx of new graders sending in cards and the lack of quality control by the card companies are large factors of lower grades. A lot of first time graders are just sending in anything without knowing what to really look for. Panini is cranking out millions of more cards without increasing the size of their QA department. Prizm basketball and mosaic anything are notoriously off centered or scratched coming out of the packs. All of the 2021 Topps Series 1 that I opened this year has been OC as well. All of this coupled with your points and new graders and AI is creating the situation we are seeing now.
if u do use psa take pic prior alot are coming back damaged
I had a seven card CC sub entered on 10/26/20, got it back 5/26/21. Was pleasantly surprised. Five of seven gemmed, and one of the 10s I thought was definitely a 9 due to a surface flaw and another I had thought might possibly be an 8. And the two 9s I was expecting to be 8s. So, just illustrating that it's still possible to get decent grades.
When you say it’s possible to get “Decent Grades,” do you think they graded your cards correctly or missed some minor flaws you were able to critic with your layman abilities? Is it a good thing that they are handing out grades and not literally grading each piece on a case by case basis?
@@cardboardcheddar1674 Yeah, “They’re just randomly stamping numbers on shit” is not exactly a glowing review.
I thought the 10 would be a 9 because there was a fine print line running through the player's name. It didn't impact the "eye appeal" because it was only visible at certain angles, but it was definitely there. I don't recall why I thought there was a chance the other 10 would be an 8. I think one corner was questionable.
The two 9s that I thought could be 8s I guess was my inexperience grading Prizm/Select. I've graded dozens of non-chrome/Prizm cards and have been able to reasonably predict the grades. I find the Prizm/Select cards often have imperfections in the grooves of the designs of those cards and I didn't know how harshly they grade the surface. It's been such a long time, I'll have to take a look at the cards again.
Not grading tougher more like controlling pop reports . I personally use and buy Tux'D cards through SGC.
I hear that a lot but I just don’t have any evidence of it. The cards I send in PSA has zero interest in controlling the pop on those.
Do you think of the influx of new people into the hobby correlates to lower PSA 10’s as well? Personally I do because I have had several new investors or collectors show me some cards they would turn into PSA and I would tell them minor imperfections through pictures. If I can tell flaws through high resolution photos the graders will probably never give that a 10. Thanks for the info! Great insights.
Potentially yes if it were a more gradual drop. The big drop off is what caught my eye. But yes submitting every card under the sun (I’ve been guilty of that) would contribute to a lower psa 10 rate. Thx for watching.
I will never waste my money again on psa.. Its a scam. Recently got back large submission just to adress modern out of 120 115 9 5 were 8 in the past it was all at least 30 tens .. im disgusted at the amount of money wasted Ill only use sgc from here on
Keep listing your base cards in a PSA 10 on ebay cheap. Thanks, Furio.
I am not even worried about getting 10s I sent in some very vintage cards and I know for a fact they gave me bad grades on purpose. I sent in a bunch of 1949 bowman to start I sent in the Jackie robinson rookie I did the super fast turn around to get it back to see how psa would be grading. This card was the worst condition I sent in I thought it was around a 5 and if I got VERY lucky a 6 it came back a 4 I was sad but not shocked. Using that card as the baseline I sent in more from the set. Two I will talk about was the Stan Musial and Yogi. The stan was a clear two grades higher than the jackie it was not close 4 sharp corners no creases perfect color it was about 60-40 off center I figured this was a 6 basing it off the jackie that card came back a 4... I was in shock. Now the Yogi this card is insane when I bought the set the first words out of my mouth where "I wish the jackie was in the same condition as the Yogi. I am not saying it was a 10 because those are next to impossible but I could not find a flaw on the card. The red was perfect deep red the boarders were a perfect white centering perfect corners sharp this card looks as if it just came out of a pack. Now I kept my thinking in check and at the very worst I thought a 7 but really in the back of my mind my guess was it would be a 8. this card was clearly the best card of all 200 I bought and all 200 were in great shape. So just got the Yogi back and they graded it a 4........ I am going to make a video on this show the card from every angle "after I break the case" and I will send it to a different company total joke. The last card I sent was the jodan sticker rookie. This card was not perfect it had a small bend in the corner and it was off center but good looking card no stains I was guessing around a 5-6 because its more modern and I know they grade those cards harder. The jordan came back a 1. I have seen cards that are graded a 1 they are trashed like gone I have no idea what the hell they were thinking basically they just trashed all my cards with 2 exceptions they gave two bryant rookie's 9s the rest they just trashed and wasted my time and money
I saw my grades for my express order from March 2020, got absolutely destroyed on my 88 fleer basketball. My Jordan All Star pulled a 6, when I compare if to previously graded cards it's unreal. For sure has me heading to other companies with better looking slabs and hopefully consistent grading.
It's tough to tell from just one month of data (May). Remember there was a tsunami of cards submitted just prior to the price increase in March so many of those cards are probably lesser quality and the numbers could be skewing lower. But I do think the grades coming back are more 9s than 10s now. 33% gem mint sounds about right. 2020 Prizm Football gems below 30%, select football and prizm basketball gem rates are below 35%. Somebody else speculated that there are alot of new graders over there and they err to give more 9s if they see any little blemish.
All could be true.
look at the percent for every month of may on the chart ha
So if true, I’d be out there buying up PSA 10s now. Looks like they’ll be a rare commodity going forward. And it will be the junk slab PSA 9 era...
I don’t want to buy a graded ten card in CSG or SGC because ppl want 10s and these companies will be more loss with there grades I want a 10 card because it’s worthy of a ten grade not some piece sitting in a 10 graded slab.
So we hate soft grading unless it's our cards?
Just reporting on the statistics. How that’s interpreted is up to the individual.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia you can literally find threads on PSA forums every year saying they are tougher this year because my last sub got killed for X reason. I have been using them for 20 years and grade variation is the least of their issues
@@cardsandcomics very true
These fluctuations will invalidate PSA grades and will lead to individuals scrutinizing rather than accepting the grade and drive volatility in sales prices for similar graded cards.
That ship has sailed
Yea I have around 300 old psa 10 and believe me they are not even 9.5 Beckett because of centering but super clean all other areas of the card
PSA has always been extremely tough on grading since I started submitting 7 years ago but I submit a lot of vintage, if you’re talking ultra modern then maybe
This would be mostly modern with a bit of vintage mixed in.
Feels like this video is a couple days early. I think people would gain a lot of insight if they watch Nat on SCL from this past Saturday. It won't change much for those w tin foil hats but answers a lot of questions and suspicions mentioned here.
$50 per card to get graded cuz you can't even become a member at moment that's crazy it just shows how many people and cards are submitting rn 😬
This is what happens when idiots send in there wothless base cards to try and flip. I see so many random base cards people trying to grade and flip and I'm wondering why they would waste there time doing that
same here all 9s a few 8s
Time to take the other companies more seriously.
I would agree.
A 3000 card sample size from one submitter is not nearly enough to make inferences about the total population of cards graded each month. Those stats have no statistical significance!
Not huge in comparison to the amount of cards PSA grades per month. There are factors that I didn’t have access to that could affect the data. For example, types of cards graded each month. Were the same people sending in cards (experienced or non experienced card grader)? All those would factor into the data. However, in most statistical studies a minimum sample size of 100 is considered the baseline. 3,000 while not huge, is a decent size when compared over 5 months. Thanks for watching. Appreciate it.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia I understand the constraints, though significance tests don't have an arbitrary numerical sample size requirement. The sample needs to be compared to the total population of cards graded each month. Before PSA shut down their economy service, they reported receiving over 500,000 cards per WEEK*. The selection bias as you mentioned also means the data cannot be viewed as representative of the total population graded.
@@JustinFarber I'm not sure how you're sourcing your information, but in the stats class I took, and what's done in most marketing departments these days, requires a sample size of at least 2000. The relatively to the total count has no bearing.
@@sw1217 variables for calculating statistical significance include total population, sample size, and significanve level. I just took a graduate level stats course
@@sw1217 but really the samples' selection bias is the bigger issue here
I’m concerned about the PSA 10s I already have. What are their true value now.
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In my First PSA submission ever - I sent in 11x Kabooms, Net Marvels and Kobe 90s inserts and got 55% GEM 10 rate, with one PSA 8. I heard Kabooms are hard to GEM and I got 3x 10s.... I think group Submitters are the way to go(?)
What month were your cards graded in?
Group submissions are absolutely the way to go. Especially, if the Submitters will pre-evaluate and prepare their customers items for submission to a Grading Company.
If you don't mind me asking, which group submitter did you use? Thanks!
Certainly the grading will be more attentive with less errors due to them only allowing $300 dollar submissions,imo.
For current and near future ones sure. These were $2 cards from last year submission at the old 45 day pricing.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia my reply was to the question you asked “is PsA grading sports cards tougher in 2021.” They’re probably able to be tougher on the submissions backed up from last year as well because they’ve got all hands on deck with customers waiting for past due cards, can’t open back up till they’re caught up, and won’t get future business if they continued poor quality control after all the b.s.
I would think that all PSA 10's will not be equally valued hereon. I would be more skeptical of 10's graded prior to the new system, as many of those cards would be evaluated as 9's by the new system. Maybe not... do others think they will look more closely at the 10's they are considering for purchase? My guess is PSA will lose a lot of business and eventually revert to more lenient standards. All I come across is pissed off customers which isn't a good look for the PSA brand...
If this is true I'll just stick with beckett. Whole reason psa competes with them is becuase of their grading system and if they try to compete they'll will lose
What’s your thoughts on f1 cards?
I’ve been picking up a ton of Lewis Hamilton. But that’s it.
Just wondering, do you ever attend any card shows or simply not interested in them?
Local ones are my jam.
I have gotten two orders returned from PSA in the last 3 weeks. On those two orders combined of 70 cards, got 39 PSA 10s, a gem rate of 56%. Many of those cards were purchased in lots of ebay months ago and there were a few that were picked up at shows. I was very pleasantly pleased with the results, particularly seeing the grades others have received recently. I have concluded that its still possible to get a fair amount of good grades on orders. I have a modern order due back in a month or so, and a vintage 20 card order soon after. Those grades will tell me much more about how they are doing than these two recent delivered orders.
My order from December came today, 15 cards. 4 10s , 11 9s. Something very fishy
Always good info. Yes I find myself gravitating to SGC for a clean affordable slab graded as a 10. I've gotten where I ONLY send to CSG if my card has green (Seahawks, packers, parallels, ect.) on it because I hate the slab coloring. Just my thoughts as a collector and a flipper
#teamSGC
They grade softer than PSA so you just care about the number?
@@cardsandcomics Depends if resell or collecting. I find the uniformed buyer would prefer a 10 SGC for the number and look than a 10 no sub grades CSC. Maybe it's just brand recognition. When I got into the hobby I always thought becket was the best and valued a 9.5 over a PSA 10. But again that was when I was an uniformed buyer
@@DabiMidGG I agree I like their looks and that's fine. I have crossed over a lot of SGC to PSA and in general PSA grades much tougher at least on vintage
where are the best sites to buy autographs? im looking for a nhl jersey, I would assume the shopnhl shop is legit, but i dont want to assume i want to be sure before jumping in
i have collected card autos for a bit but its a bit easier to be sure your getting a legit item on a trading card that came from a pack signed verses jerseys
@@justinb4362 fanatics, frameworth. Those 2 companies
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia so are they completely trustworthy or so i still need to watch out for fakes? and are the ones such as shopnhl ok as well? just for a couple places to be able to look at
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia sorry for my lack of knowledge but just want to be sure before i buy 300-500$ item that it’s guaranteed to be real and not avoid hassle and cost of authentication
@@justinb4362 anything from the nhl official website is fine. Fanatics runs that website.
psa is no longer the king sgc 20 days for a 10
Bro help me out here... i submitted my cards on Nov 13 to a group submitter and paid for the regular service. Last update I received was back on March 11 stating I was in the Research and ID Phase... havent heard back since .. did they charge me for Regular Service but actually submitted Economy??
That can be a long phase. Whatever service level you sent them in at is the service level they submitted them as.
I think a lot of Express and super Express ‘jumped the Line’ since March, also I noticed that $150 express orders are jumping ahead of $75 express orders, same would be true of the $100 regulars jumping in front of $50 regulars.
A card should either be a 9 or a 10, etc., simple as that. Controlling grades like this delegitimizes the entire process of grading.. makes it meaningless
very few cards should be a 10 and most cards realistically fall into a 7-9 for modern cards.
@@slappykyl3 sure? But if what he said is true, that cards came back in order, sounds like it’s arbitrarily decided anyway - that’s what I’m against
@@mjhout how would he know what order they grade the cards in? Because he thinks so? Until it’s proven they do them in the order you pack them I’m 100% not believing this take.
@@beliedat2457 I’ve heard a number people say that’s how they do it but idk for sure I guess
@@mjhout I think that's there overall goal, grade in the order you submit your cards. That's why any grading company tells you to put your cards in order of how you submitted them. If they are not in order, it could lead to delayed grading times. Not that it matters with PSA turn around times. Its still 2 years for 1 card.
More great info.
fuck yeah they are its bullshit they are trying to create rarity because of the increased interest in cards the grades dont mean shit these days its all about money i just got back 120 cards 7 psa 10s
i screen my cards under magnifying glass
7/120, that’s rough.
am i the only one seing that maybe just dont submit in may lol
Those are when the grades popped, not when submitted.
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia so you dont want your grades to popp in may then lol
@@PowersSportsMemorabilia sorry i misred the charts, i thought those were the grades in those years, not the year of the cards
@@jonlamica9216 has more to do with the software than the month.
Wouldn’t the fewer 10’s help the values of lower grades? Or at least make them more desirable. Could be good for someone with a lot of desirable cards in less than great shape.
Definitely raises the price of 10s for sure and potentially 9s as well depending on how tough the card is to grade.
Pretty sure they just changed to a new grading program
Cards have gotten boring af...whats the next fad to hop on? crypto?
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@@bnegs521 vhs grading lol
I haven't watched the vid before commenting...my guess is they took in less cards last year (year over year) and this year's number of 10's has probably blown away last year's numbers.
% not absolute, so no
@@bubblesnz1059 maybe I should've rephrased. Jan 2020-June 1 2020 vs Jan 2021-June 2021. Won't have an absolute number for 2021 till 12/31/21.
I just got a 168 card submission back with 80% PSA 10. I carefully review the front and back corners and edges with a 10x Peak jewelers loupe. If the corners and edges aren’t perfect I don’t send in the card. If your just submitting cards based on the naked eye, your throwing money away
The reason the percentage went down is all the new submitters who don’t carefully scrutinize the cards
@@danielhicks1682 Yeah I was still successful with a slightly lower rate of 10's back from PSA. They may be a little more strict as I did not get any surprises for my better, but the grades seemed about the same as they always were. I think you are right, more rookie submitters, and people rushing to send off everything they had before PSA raised prices /shut it down.
@@furiogiunta7886 I would agree except for 1 , thought it was a 9 all day. But usually there were a handful of borderlines that snuck in
@@danielhicks1682 I usually get lucky on the ones I grade 9/10 before I submit, last order they all came back 9's, usually I get a few that come back 10's.