@@moosiemoose1337 Pretty sure vibrations on surfaces and pressure spike in air will bust your eardrums by sheer force. Not to mention how that still created nice amount of spalling inside of that steel coffin. Looks intact on outside but would be more that supriced if there is life signs when door is opened.
@@bullet_casing8482 I'm just curious, yaknow? Like are flashbang grenades effective against soldiers with ear protection? Genuine question because I have no idea.
I stood right next to one of these 800mm shells and let me tell you, seeing that thing looking so tiny next to that turret really gives me an impression of how Gargantuan the proportions of BattleShips are.
Dude, its mind boggling. I have been to the USS North Carolina which is equipped with 9x 16 inch guns which is “small” by ww2 standards of a battleship and the rounds and turret are massive.
@@PracticalReformation16 Inch guns are considered considerably large for battleship standards, the Bismarck, often cited as one of the most powerful and effective battleships ever (although was stopped short when it had a bunch of the British navy after it once it sunk the hood) and it had 15 inch guns. The Yamato was just giant however, with 18 inch guns but ultimately by the end of the war was just a massive floating target.
turret jammed 100% but the way the 650mm plate flexed and resisted is amazing, this scenario is not possible irl tho because dora would have zero chance of hitting any moving thing at sea
dudes... dora/gustav were guns placed on rail...fucking rail. They could only shoot at fixed targets straight ahead, they can't turn their guns to lead their shots. It normally took ~ 1 month for the crews to get a gun into firing position, where the gun would face the direction of its fixed targets (fort, bunker...), even then those guns missed a lot since they only shoot one shell at a time.
@@shaddaboop7998 that would require a ship of tremendous size with beam exceeds 100 meters wide at the minimum. Germany ship building capability was never that good, they weren't at the level of uk japan and us, they would realistically struggle to build something of yamato size, H class is just wet dream and a 1 million tons ship is certainly out of reach
Modern people will really have no idea what colossal powerhouses WW1 and 2 battleships were. Although obsolete their sheer scale makes them fearsome fighting machines beyond comprehension.
Hardly obsolete if given half the nudge the newest capital ships have gotten. Nothing short of a MOAB sized anti-ship is taking them out. They can easily mount more of the newest weapons systems than any other ship can and still maintain at least 1 turret with the big guns for sea borne targets.
@@WhenindoubtFox-3 these days No Armor = Best Armor at sea. Penetrating warheads of missiles could easily disable a armored vessel, and as a result defense against attack relies more on automated systems these days. CWIS and RAM are more than capable of making up for what armor cannot do nowadays and if we were to ever make a modern battleship for shore bombardment support the vessel would likely boast little to no armor, but pack a bunch of point defense systems capable of 360 Degree defense across the ship. It would also likely possess anywhere from 6-12 big guns (12 inch caliber and up), along with massive VLS pods. The big guns would be for the most part shore bombardment, while VLS could cover Anti Ship and inland duties. Why waste a very expensive Missile shelling coastal defenses when you can lob much cheaper GPS guided artillery shells instead?
@@richardbossman9875 err... General Belgrano was sunk by just one submarine. Or do you know what brings down yamato and bismark? So yeah, Battleship (or battlecruiser) is obsolete even by ww2 standard.
It'd be nice if you'd do some naval sims of realistic scenarios that either happened, or could have happened. You could read about certain impacts that happened irl, research the details like the angles involved and the range and see what you can reproduce. Or just explore the edge cases of exchanges that could very plausibly have happened. If you want ideas for scenarios, I could probably give some solid ideas.
To see the entire frontal plate of the Yamato turret begin to wobble inward is shows the incredible amount of energy Dora had (along with all big guns of that era).
Really puts into perspective how insane WW2 battleships were considering that Dora and Gustav were the heaviest guns to be used. Well at least Gustav was, we don't know if Dora ever fired at a target.
@@BFVK I believe Gustav has fired at 7 separate targets sending total of 48 shells their way throughout the period of roughly two weeks. We know that Dora has been placed into firing position and rigourously prepared near Stalingrad, but I am uncertain whether it sent any shells towards the cities defenses as the gun had to be disassembled for retreat not long after.
@@megan00b8 Dora was used in the assault of Sevastopol (not Stalingrad). Forty-seven shots were fired toward the city at the arsenal, headquarters building, shore guns and ship's anchorage. Most of the shots were solid shells, 5 were experimental high explosive shells. The Dora was also planned to be used for shelling Leningrad, but the barrel had not yet been repaired, and after the city blockade was broken, the gun was hastily evacuated to Bavaria.
Point of interest: given how ballistics arc, it'd be interesting to see this same scenario just from a different angle. If the shell hit from above while descending that would reduce the effective thickness of the sloped armor. Would also be interesting to see the damage if the shell hit the top of the turret, too, and how the shell would perform from different distances (aka at different speeds).
"tiny" well, for naval standard yes, but we are talking about 127mm cannons, those are huge shells and Will cause a mess when they hit unarmored parts... Expecially because all the AA crew was exposed with Little pritection
It almost happened, Admiral Raymond Spruance commander of the US Fifth Fleet ordered Task Force 54 consisting of 10 battleships to engage Yamato's fleet but his subordinate Vice Admiral Mitscher, commander of Task Force 58 consisting mainly of carriers sent 280 aircraft to attack and only informed his superiors after they were launched. Mitscher had spent his entire career dealing with traditionally minded battleship admirals and correctly saw an opportunity to crush the notion of battleships once and for all by destroying the largest one in human history.
do a 3 part series where you test how pen, almost pen, and non pen does to the human body w/ and w/o a vest. would like to see how much spalling and how deadly it is from each of thise
@@thezig2078 kevlar-yes, but steel and ceramics based vests would spall. Actually, almost every steel and ceramics vest have at least kevlar lining, specially to prevent spall
Battleships aren't obsolete because their guns and armor don't work. They're obsolete because carriers and missiles can do their job from further away.
yeah yeah because all 150 of them just cramped into that one spot right behind the armor plate and not spread out standing behind various components and deep under the barbette doing their jobs 🙄 delusional
@@Jouriza900 also don't forget the sound of such an explosion inside the turret. at the bare minimum all crew would be deaf permanently after that and likely out of action for some time
I'm here to remind that this canon could pierce over 20m of ground and 2m of Cement and destroy amunition magazine during siege of Sewastopol. It just show how armored turret of Yamato was
Yeah the crew is alive, but that's be a helluva concussive stun. The sound of the impact in such a well armoured enclosure, I'd imagine it'd pretty deafening
should be noted, that the battleship's turret face is the strongest part of the armour, and Yamato's turret face was absurdly strong even by the already ludicrous standards of Capital ships. it was strong enough that when the US army ran tests on Shinano's unused turret face they did the math and found that even if USS Iowa was literally touching the Yamato's sides, her 16 inch shells would not penetrate the turret face.
@the man formerly known as commenting is what I do well seeing as the Dora's round is more than twice the size of an Iowa's 16 in round, I can understand that.
Did you notice the shock managing to transfer both through the barrel and turret ring? That thing isn't going to shoot right if if you get it unjammed.
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 Impact clearly shows deformation of the metal over a large area, it would be no surprise if the whole gun, turret and mount became warped and were a total loss (Just know that if a BB gun didn't have a recoil system, it's would slowly wreck the turret. and that's with shells 1/3rd of Dora's weight -if we are talking Yamato projectiles)
Very cool, but is this shot at close range or at distance, im thinking the angle of approach Of the 800mm at let say 15000m would be quite steep and most likely hit the turret directly, keep in mind the 16" shell from the iowa class penetrated the face armor at yamatos turret of a distance of roughly 10 000 yards in an after war penetration test
actually, they used reduced powder charges in that test, since what they wanted was to test if Iowa could penetrate at 40,000 yards, but insted of trying to shoot from that disctance they just reduced the powder charge and shot from 10,000 yards. So infact Iowa could in theory penetrate 26 inches Vickers hardened steel from 40,000 yards. They did 2 tests, one shot went right through and another was stoped but there was emmense spalling from the metal. In both cases the steel plate cracked.
It's funny when you realize that Yamato was so freaking huge that even the 800mm shell is somewhat small compared to it. It's like 37mm shell vs Tiger I turret.
800mm Dora actually had a direct hit in Sevastopol at Russian Naval Gun, installed and fortified at top of the hill there over a huge concrete bunker base, after the hit the naval arty gun was permanently disabled, from what I heard the operating crew in the bunker did not survive as well.
"Sir, crewmen in gun turret 3 all became deaf." "Ensign, I thought it was turret 1 being hit with that humongous shell." "Yes sir. That is correct sir."
imagine being literally on the other side of the ship then suddenly you feel the craziest thump ever in your entire life and also never hearing anything again but a high pitched squeal for the rest of your life. as a welder being on the other side of a ship when someone has to use a sledge hammer is bad enough i cant phathom what this would sound like not even ear plugs could save you from partial hearing loss atleast
This feels like an significant under-penetration. One quick rule of thumb is that penetration depth - all other factors being equal - is more or less proportional to the square root of the density of the target plate. The concrete piercing shell for the Dora is typically quoted as penetrating around 7 meters of concrete. Concrete density is around 30% of steel's density, so the square root of that is about 0.55 - which would indicate an expected penetration of roughly 3 meters of steel. Even if it was proportional to straight density, that would still suggest a penetration of roughly 2 meters of steel. Separately, I also derived an estimate for armor penetration for WW2 AP / APC / APCBC rounds based on barrel length as roughly 0.03 * barrel length, which would suggest at least 1 meter of armor penetration for the Dora. All of these should suggest that the round would have punched through. Not to mention the 1945 test with a USN 16in gun that did punch through the spare armor plate for the Shinano's unfinished turrets - with a much smaller projectile than the Dora's.
is the caliber of the yamatos guns accurate? because those barrels dont look like 460mm to if the projectile is 800mm they look way bigger or the projectile is too small and compared to the armor thickness of the frontal turret (650mm) the projectile also seems a little too small (i measured the screen with a ruler and calculated the %, but i might be wrong
The barrels are just under half the size of the shell, and considering 460mm vs 800mm it seems accurate. I gotta agree on the armor's thickness, though, it seems a bit sus.
Yes they are. 460 mm guns refers to the size of the projectile fired, not the diameter of the gun barrel itself. So the 460mm would be the inside of the gun, not the outside. The 650 mm armor also refers to the armor at a 90 degree angle, the round strikes at a sloped angle so the armor appears thicker. as sloping is acting on it.
to be honest, I do not understand either this is a PC application or it is a special editor, etc.? I've just been looking for a very long time for how to download such an editor or application to a PC and look at realistic damage
Now we need an 800 mm tungsten armor piercing sabot shot at that thing. Oh, what about modern GBU-57A/B MOP bunker buster vs the Yamato? Their about 70% heavier and coincidentally, about the same diameter as the Dora shell. It may be quite a bit slower at impact, but the extra weight as well as the plunging affect would probably have it stand a much better chance of penetrating.
I love to see War Thunder enthusiasts who thinks that if the shell doesn't penetrate there's no damage. The real life is quite different, no way crew survived that even with no pen
You got the metal properties of the shell completely wrong, as that 800mm shell should've easily penetrated at 720 m/s. We know this as far smaller & light shells were able to penetrate more at the same velocity. Even the Bismarcks 380mm guns could cleanly penetrate 616mm of armour at 5 km or 727 m/s.
you have no idea just how stupidly HUMONGUS a dreadnought battleship's turret is. the Turret of a Yamato class battleship is actually heavier then the Gustav gun.
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 Honestly its just because its the most powerful shell ever fired out of a gun in history and thats what makes me not believe this is posible
The thing is though, that you've set the shell to come in perfectly horizontally. Whereas in real life, it'd be coming in from a great distance and therefor at an angle, reducing the armor slope effectiveness. Would love to see the shell come in at a more realistic 20-30 degree angle!
i feel like anybody in between the two guns where it hit would be dead because even tho it didn't fully pierce the armour it definitely would have created some internal spalling not to mention every weld on that turret is completely destroyed and that being the case if the round has explosive filler it would create a lot of overpressure which could possibly kill people
Is it this Dora, which could penetrate a meter of steel or 8 meters of concrete, and one accurate shot destroyed ammunition depot 30 meters underground?
The turret crew survived, but they could be severely stunned hearing the loudest bell sound that they ever heared in their lives.
And given how our ears work - probably the last sound
So is ear protection not a thing or it doesn't matter how much ear protection you have, it's just THAT loud?
@@moosiemoose1337 Pretty sure vibrations on surfaces and pressure spike in air will bust your eardrums by
sheer force. Not to mention how that still created nice amount of spalling inside of
that steel coffin. Looks intact on outside but would be more that supriced if
there is life signs when door is opened.
@@moosiemoose1337 well it is a ww2 naval crew, it's very possible their ears are unprotected
@@bullet_casing8482 I'm just curious, yaknow? Like are flashbang grenades effective against soldiers with ear protection?
Genuine question because I have no idea.
I stood right next to one of these 800mm shells and let me tell you, seeing that thing looking so tiny next to that turret really gives me an impression of how Gargantuan the proportions of BattleShips are.
Dude, its mind boggling. I have been to the USS North Carolina which is equipped with 9x 16 inch guns which is “small” by ww2 standards of a battleship and the rounds and turret are massive.
@@PracticalReformation 16in naval guns are not at all small compared to other vessels of the era, or just about any era.
Just one of the Yamatos turrets weighed as much as a fleet destroyer
@@PracticalReformation16 Inch guns are considered considerably large for battleship standards, the Bismarck, often cited as one of the most powerful and effective battleships ever (although was stopped short when it had a bunch of the British navy after it once it sunk the hood) and it had 15 inch guns. The Yamato was just giant however, with 18 inch guns but ultimately by the end of the war was just a massive floating target.
Pride of the nation, a beast made of steel......
turret jammed 100% but the way the 650mm plate flexed and resisted is amazing, this scenario is not possible irl tho because dora would have zero chance of hitting any moving thing at sea
The chance of it hitting one of Yamato's turrets is low but never zero
But if the ship was in a harbor on the other hand...
dudes... dora/gustav were guns placed on rail...fucking rail. They could only shoot at fixed targets straight ahead, they can't turn their guns to lead their shots. It normally took ~ 1 month for the crews to get a gun into firing position, where the gun would face the direction of its fixed targets (fort, bunker...), even then those guns missed a lot since they only shoot one shell at a time.
@@greener2497 That was until the Moustache Man put Dora on big floats and took it out to sea for a spin.
@@shaddaboop7998 that would require a ship of tremendous size with beam exceeds 100 meters wide at the minimum. Germany ship building capability was never that good, they weren't at the level of uk japan and us, they would realistically struggle to build something of yamato size, H class is just wet dream and a 1 million tons ship is certainly out of reach
Modern people will really have no idea what colossal powerhouses WW1 and 2 battleships were. Although obsolete their sheer scale makes them fearsome fighting machines beyond comprehension.
Hardly obsolete if given half the nudge the newest capital ships have gotten. Nothing short of a MOAB sized anti-ship is taking them out. They can easily mount more of the newest weapons systems than any other ship can and still maintain at least 1 turret with the big guns for sea borne targets.
@@richardbossman9875 Aaaand be far too expensive
@@richardbossman9875 they’re easy to mission kill tho (as in damage so severe it is no longer capable of anymore combat)
@@WhenindoubtFox-3 these days No Armor = Best Armor at sea. Penetrating warheads of missiles could easily disable a armored vessel, and as a result defense against attack relies more on automated systems these days. CWIS and RAM are more than capable of making up for what armor cannot do nowadays and if we were to ever make a modern battleship for shore bombardment support the vessel would likely boast little to no armor, but pack a bunch of point defense systems capable of 360 Degree defense across the ship. It would also likely possess anywhere from 6-12 big guns (12 inch caliber and up), along with massive VLS pods. The big guns would be for the most part shore bombardment, while VLS could cover Anti Ship and inland duties. Why waste a very expensive Missile shelling coastal defenses when you can lob much cheaper GPS guided artillery shells instead?
@@richardbossman9875 err... General Belgrano was sunk by just one submarine.
Or do you know what brings down yamato and bismark?
So yeah, Battleship (or battlecruiser) is obsolete even by ww2 standard.
It'd be nice if you'd do some naval sims of realistic scenarios that either happened, or could have happened. You could read about certain impacts that happened irl, research the details like the angles involved and the range and see what you can reproduce. Or just explore the edge cases of exchanges that could very plausibly have happened. If you want ideas for scenarios, I could probably give some solid ideas.
i can try a R360 neptune vs Moskva
@@qumit165 lmao
if you believe modern films, they can still punch aliens in the face
To see the entire frontal plate of the Yamato turret begin to wobble inward is shows the incredible amount of energy Dora had (along with all big guns of that era).
Really puts into perspective how insane WW2 battleships were considering that Dora and Gustav were the heaviest guns to be used. Well at least Gustav was, we don't know if Dora ever fired at a target.
It seems it's Dora who shelled Sebastopol and Gustav has been never used.
@@BFVK I believe Gustav has fired at 7 separate targets sending total of 48 shells their way throughout the period of roughly two weeks.
We know that Dora has been placed into firing position and rigourously prepared near Stalingrad, but I am uncertain whether it sent any shells towards the cities defenses as the gun had to be disassembled for retreat not long after.
@@megan00b8 Dora was used in the assault of Sevastopol (not Stalingrad). Forty-seven shots were fired toward the city at the arsenal, headquarters building, shore guns and ship's anchorage. Most of the shots were solid shells, 5 were experimental high explosive shells. The Dora was also planned to be used for shelling Leningrad, but the barrel had not yet been repaired, and after the city blockade was broken, the gun was hastily evacuated to Bavaria.
@@Scorchluck No, that was Gustav. Dora didn't see much of the frontline.
Point of interest: given how ballistics arc, it'd be interesting to see this same scenario just from a different angle. If the shell hit from above while descending that would reduce the effective thickness of the sloped armor. Would also be interesting to see the damage if the shell hit the top of the turret, too, and how the shell would perform from different distances (aka at different speeds).
As Girls und Panzer: Der Film put it: "Something fell from the sky. It was really big."
But then you would have to take all the ballistics into account (angle of fall, speed loss, penetration loss…)
Would be nice if the yamatos turret ever got a chance to deflect a single incoming round before it reached the bottom of the Pacific. Great Job IJN.
yamato probably did bounced some tiny destroyer shells in battle off samar, other than that it just ate bombs and torpedoes
@@greener2497 those fired HE
"tiny" well, for naval standard yes, but we are talking about 127mm cannons, those are huge shells and Will cause a mess when they hit unarmored parts... Expecially because all the AA crew was exposed with Little pritection
It almost happened, Admiral Raymond Spruance commander of the US Fifth Fleet ordered Task Force 54 consisting of 10 battleships to engage Yamato's fleet but his subordinate Vice Admiral Mitscher, commander of Task Force 58 consisting mainly of carriers sent 280 aircraft to attack and only informed his superiors after they were launched. Mitscher had spent his entire career dealing with traditionally minded battleship admirals and correctly saw an opportunity to crush the notion of battleships once and for all by destroying the largest one in human history.
@@fludblud that's amazing man I had no idea genuinely thankyou for the awesome information ✊✊✊
do a 3 part series where you test how pen, almost pen, and non pen does to the human body w/ and w/o a vest. would like to see how much spalling and how deadly it is from each of thise
Ballistic vest should not spall
@@thezig2078 kevlar-yes, but steel and ceramics based vests would spall. Actually, almost every steel and ceramics vest have at least kevlar lining, specially to prevent spall
Battleships aren't obsolete because their guns and armor don't work. They're obsolete because carriers and missiles can do their job from further away.
0:45 there were a lots of Spalling inside the turret i am sure the whole turret crew would be dead after that 800 mm Dora hit
yeah yeah because all 150 of them just cramped into that one spot right behind the armor plate and not spread out standing behind various components and deep under the barbette doing their jobs 🙄 delusional
@@greener2497 Why gonna blah blah blah on someone ? They just give their opinion? You like to make a problems?
@@Jouriza900 also don't forget the sound of such an explosion inside the turret. at the bare minimum all crew would be deaf permanently after that and likely out of action for some time
I'm here to remind that this canon could pierce over 20m of ground and 2m of Cement and destroy amunition magazine during siege of Sewastopol. It just show how armored turret of Yamato was
Impressive performance for a shell that was in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY designed to pierce armor plate.
Yeah the crew is alive, but that's be a helluva concussive stun. The sound of the impact in such a well armoured enclosure, I'd imagine it'd pretty deafening
I think this video does a great job showing the insane scale of battleships
Never would have thought there would be anything that could stop that shell. This is ridiculous
should be noted, that the battleship's turret face is the strongest part of the armour, and Yamato's turret face was absurdly strong even by the already ludicrous standards of Capital ships. it was strong enough that when the US army ran tests on Shinano's unused turret face they did the math and found that even if USS Iowa was literally touching the Yamato's sides, her 16 inch shells would not penetrate the turret face.
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 wow, thanks for the interesting knowledge. Just ludicrous
@the man formerly known as commenting is what I do well seeing as the Dora's round is more than twice the size of an Iowa's 16 in round, I can understand that.
If you have links to the test deta, it would be very cool man@@themanformerlyknownascomme777
The World of Warships devs want to have a word with you.
And that thing flies right through any tank
Just shows you how huge Yamato was
Didnt pen armor, but you can bet it destroyed the crew’s eardrums.
Did you notice the shock managing to transfer both through the barrel and turret ring? That thing isn't going to shoot right if if you get it unjammed.
the turret of the Yamato might suffer some minor damage, but it will likely be fine (the thing weights more then the Gustav)
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777
Impact clearly shows deformation of the metal over a large area, it would be no surprise if the whole gun, turret and mount became warped and were a total loss
(Just know that if a BB gun didn't have a recoil system, it's would slowly wreck the turret. and that's with shells 1/3rd of Dora's weight -if we are talking Yamato projectiles)
Man if only Yamato wasnt sunk, then we couldve probably had it as a museum ship like for example the uss iowa.
I wanted to see one of the world's largest battleships with my very own eyes.
Dora crew member 30km away: "We didn't penetrate their armour!"
Very cool, but is this shot at close range or at distance, im thinking the angle of approach Of the 800mm at let say 15000m would be quite steep and most likely hit the turret directly, keep in mind the 16" shell from the iowa class penetrated the face armor at yamatos turret of a distance of roughly 10 000 yards in an after war penetration test
actually, they used reduced powder charges in that test, since what they wanted was to test if Iowa could penetrate at 40,000 yards, but insted of trying to shoot from that disctance they just reduced the powder charge and shot from 10,000 yards. So infact Iowa could in theory penetrate 26 inches Vickers hardened steel from 40,000 yards.
They did 2 tests, one shot went right through and another was stoped but there was emmense spalling from the metal. In both cases the steel plate cracked.
What angle did the shell hit the turret at? I would think a shell from Dora would be coming in at a more vertical angle.
In that case, the power will be smaller.
It's funny when you realize that Yamato was so freaking huge that even the 800mm shell is somewhat small compared to it. It's like 37mm shell vs Tiger I turret.
I bet that turret jumped its bearings at the very least XD
"It just a scratch" -yamato gunner crew
-gun jammed
-get rekt
-hearing loss
-ear no longer existence
-its a scratch
It's pretty wild that a modern tank gun could probably penetrate that armor
can you do the impact of bombs like GBU-24 vs Yamato battleship
800mm Dora actually had a direct hit in Sevastopol at Russian Naval Gun, installed and fortified at top of the hill there over a huge concrete bunker base, after the hit the naval arty gun was permanently disabled, from what I heard the operating crew in the bunker did not survive as well.
The angle of the 800mm projectile suggests point-blank range. I would very much like to see something realistic., plunging fire.
"Sir, crewmen in gun turret 3 all became deaf."
"Ensign, I thought it was turret 1 being hit with that humongous shell."
"Yes sir. That is correct sir."
this is some real mamorumosemerunokurogane moment
imagine being literally on the other side of the ship then suddenly you feel the craziest thump ever in your entire life and also never hearing anything again but a high pitched squeal for the rest of your life. as a welder being on the other side of a ship when someone has to use a sledge hammer is bad enough i cant phathom what this would sound like not even ear plugs could save you from partial hearing loss atleast
I mean you have picked probably one of the thickest plates found on a battleship :D
Suggestions : Brahmos anti ship missile vs Yamato turret front/sides.
The Yamato crew wondering who build tracks in the pacific
Dora can penetrate 2 meters of Gamogen armour
Finally a thing that ricocheted a 800mm shell
Would the spalling or internal pressure wave have seriously hurt the crew? What was the size of the internal pressure wave?
A, the Yamato's turrets are not only incredibly huge, but fairly heavily automated.
This feels like an significant under-penetration. One quick rule of thumb is that penetration depth - all other factors being equal - is more or less proportional to the square root of the density of the target plate. The concrete piercing shell for the Dora is typically quoted as penetrating around 7 meters of concrete. Concrete density is around 30% of steel's density, so the square root of that is about 0.55 - which would indicate an expected penetration of roughly 3 meters of steel. Even if it was proportional to straight density, that would still suggest a penetration of roughly 2 meters of steel. Separately, I also derived an estimate for armor penetration for WW2 AP / APC / APCBC rounds based on barrel length as roughly 0.03 * barrel length, which would suggest at least 1 meter of armor penetration for the Dora. All of these should suggest that the round would have punched through. Not to mention the 1945 test with a USN 16in gun that did punch through the spare armor plate for the Shinano's unfinished turrets - with a much smaller projectile than the Dora's.
Amazing stuff. Seems like immovable object won against the unstoppable force in this case.
Well the pressure will still jam the turret and knock out the crew....
"Yamato, Yamato! No more swiping!"
My ass thinking it was gonna be literal Dora
What about a 16" armor piercing naval shell?
"BONK" -said Dumbledore calmly.
Why was the Dora shell coming in parallel to the ground?
is the caliber of the yamatos guns accurate? because those barrels dont look like 460mm to if the projectile is 800mm they look way bigger or the projectile is too small and compared to the armor thickness of the frontal turret (650mm) the projectile also seems a little too small (i measured the screen with a ruler and calculated the %, but i might be wrong
The barrels are just under half the size of the shell, and considering 460mm vs 800mm it seems accurate. I gotta agree on the armor's thickness, though, it seems a bit sus.
@@standard-carrier-wo-chan Yea im not sure if it would hold up to be honest but i dont know
Yes they are. 460 mm guns refers to the size of the projectile fired, not the diameter of the gun barrel itself.
So the 460mm would be the inside of the gun, not the outside.
The 650 mm armor also refers to the armor at a 90 degree angle, the round strikes at a sloped angle so the armor appears thicker. as sloping is acting on it.
@@charchadonto i know i acknowledged all of this in my calculation
can you do an equation that'll get you bitches
Turret would largely survive the direct hit, but it’s turret ring would definitely be jammed after that.
I'd recommend adding some more delay to the text portion of the video. Had to pause to read them
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The whole ship is ringing after that
Starboard cannon might still be able to fire, but the center and port are definitely out of commission. The elevation mechanisms are definitely broken
Just shrugged it off like it was nothing, holy shit.
This makes sense as the yamatos design was kept extremely secret so ofc it cant be super accurate
Will the turret rotation sistem still work after that shot?
That actually took it better than I was expecting.
to be honest, I do not understand either this is a PC application or it is a special editor, etc.? I've just been looking for a very long time for how to download such an editor or application to a PC and look at realistic damage
its ANSYS
Imagine the interior spalling.
How long did this simulation take you to make?
Now we need an 800 mm tungsten armor piercing sabot shot at that thing.
Oh, what about modern GBU-57A/B MOP bunker buster vs the Yamato? Their about 70% heavier and coincidentally, about the same diameter as the Dora shell. It may be quite a bit slower at impact, but the extra weight as well as the plunging affect would probably have it stand a much better chance of penetrating.
can you do a DM53 from a leopard 2a6 vs the side of the bismarck turrets?
Hey, can you show how to do such animations?
Can you teach us how do you make this simulation? And what is you pc parametrs ,.?
I have two tutorials.
"ThE bISmArK iS BeTtEr ThAn YaMaTo"
But it was(in a certain sense)
I love to see War Thunder enthusiasts who thinks that if the shell doesn't penetrate there's no damage. The real life is quite different, no way crew survived that even with no pen
I am a big fan of naval combat so LIKED👍👍
damn it just pierce the half of the armor
The crew, might need a coffee and cigarette to get over the impact 😂😂
You got the metal properties of the shell completely wrong, as that 800mm shell should've easily penetrated at 720 m/s. We know this as far smaller & light shells were able to penetrate more at the same velocity. Even the Bismarcks 380mm guns could cleanly penetrate 616mm of armour at 5 km or 727 m/s.
What software is this?
I would’ve expected the shell to hit at a steeper angle.
so it doesnt go thru but instead pulls the entire turret with it
you have no idea just how stupidly HUMONGUS a dreadnought battleship's turret is. the Turret of a Yamato class battleship is actually heavier then the Gustav gun.
what's the program?
What software is this
Turret be like: Did you just shot at me?
Crew: where ears?
“That once bounced!.
_Metal pipe falling sound effect_
I know you say this might not be 100% accurate. But the 800mm seems way too small compared to the inner Barrel.
still far from 500k views
I kind of feel like in real life this would go through the turret
nope, you'd be suprised at how absurdly durable a battleship's turret face is.
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 Honestly its just because its the most powerful shell ever fired out of a gun in history and thats what makes me not believe this is posible
@@real7854 the turret face of a battleship (especially the Yamato) is designed to essentially be impervious to anything and everything)
Wich Software is this
Friendly Fire:ON
Please do one with an armour piercing shell against Yamato armour?
The thing is though, that you've set the shell to come in perfectly horizontally. Whereas in real life, it'd be coming in from a great distance and therefor at an angle, reducing the armor slope effectiveness. Would love to see the shell come in at a more realistic 20-30 degree angle!
And that's how you get jammed turret
yep
Soon, your simulation said standard earth gravity. How would the simulation change if you used Mars, Moon, or Jupiter gravity?
The crew survived, maybe a little disoriented, but definitely can't say the same for their pants though
i feel like anybody in between the two guns where it hit would be dead because even tho it didn't fully pierce the armour it definitely would have created some internal spalling not to mention every weld on that turret is completely destroyed and that being the case if the round has explosive filler it would create a lot of overpressure which could possibly kill people
Can you do Gustav cannon vs yamato?
Germany when anime exists:
The sloped armor would give it the equivalent of 37 inches of steel.
game name?
Is it this Dora, which could penetrate a meter of steel or 8 meters of concrete, and one accurate shot destroyed ammunition depot 30 meters underground?
the yamato can resist an 800mm shell.
*but not 800 US naval aircraft.*
Top is made of wood so any shell can pen
@@ace74909 I like how _Thats_ Your counter argument. As if shells can't do that. No history of shells starting fires no. Certainly not. lol
NOTHING could stand up to an 800 aircraft assault.
@@Your_Resident_Redleg
*glances at the cordite in HMS hood when it shit the bed*
@@Your_Resident_Redleg ap rounds no. He rounds yes
link to the simulation thing ?
WAIT I HAVE BRILLIANT IDEA RATTE BUT WITH THE YAMATO 18NICH NAVEL GUNS THE GUSTAV HAS WET HIS TRUE ENEMY
"The shell didnt do any damage!"
Ye , Only Scratch
Admit we all can hear in oir minds the loud CLONG it would do