This was an EXHAUSTING match to cast, much closer than the last series between them. Thanks again to World Team League (WTL) for putting on this World vs Korea showmatch series, really appreciate all the matches they've been organizing lately. Spoilers for the End (YES REAL SPOILERS YOU WERE WARNED): Jimmy loaded up the matches in the exact reverse order. It WAS a Best of 5 series, just played in reverse. We missed out on some real drama by having that Hard Lead match first instead of the epic conclusion. He will be severely disciplined. Alcyone: Cure (W) 1 - 0 Serral Goldenaura: Cure 1 - 1 Serral (W) Site Delta: Cure 1 - 2 Serral (W) Radhuset Station: Cure (W) 2 - 2 Serral Hard Lead: Cure 2 - 3 Serral (W) What a match though, thanks again for watching I hope I made your day a little bit better
Terran was already the top performing race by miles and they do ridiculous shit like buff the most overpowered unit in the game "the widow mine" their play is obvious.... Blizzard ruined their chance of being the #1 esport, this is just a legacy of failure after failure of balance in this game. Widow mines shouldn't hit air units tbh, neither should archons or fungal growth
@@aaabatteries9948 ye yea yea people who are under observe in psychiatric hospital are check for such things but here he can explain that he do it COUSE of "audience" but i think he talk to jimmy even when he is alone couse loneliness which couse mental disorder like this ...
It’s gotta be Serral’s macro game that makes him unstoppable. Idk how he always does it, but he’s just SO good at managing his bases, injecting, queen and zergling placement for the early game, holding off pressure, and he seems like he always has a way bigger and stronger army. He knows exactly when he can hold a base and when to let it go, and saves so many drones because of it. He just seems like he’s nearly impossible to keep pressure on. Man is a LEGEND.
Serrals playstyle is how zerg is designed and played. And it's unlikely to change in the future, so serral has a good chance of staying best zerg player for quite a while.
That shows that he understands the race, and how they can best perform. They're a macro race that is not so reliant on micro as much as they rely on sheer numbers, map presence, and remax capability. Other Zergs can learn a thing or two from his play.
Yeesh creep denial afforded by a few cyclones during the early game is just insane, I don't see how Zerg other than Serral and maybe Dark will really be able to effectively deal with them. It's scary to think what that level of early game aggression will do to Protoss.
I am nowhere near talented enough in the game to say the patch did this or that to the balance, but it feels like the upsides for Zerg and Protoss came with downsides elsewhere while the downsides for Terran are pretty superficial. Definitely going to be interesting to see what Terran looks like against anyone who isn’t Serral. I suspect it’s gonna become Terrancraft at most tournament finals, but considering how little it seems to have slowed Serral down maybe there’s hope.
@@HellecticMojoi honestly doubt the toss part. There simply isn’t a Protoss player on par with Serral, and i feel like this patch didn’t change much of anything about Protoss while buffing Terran and keeping Zerg mostly the same.
@@ZerglingLover I really don't buy the whole protoss are wholly occupied by scrubs take. Protoss just pays too much for little mistakes so it's just noticeable.
@@HellecticMojo I’m not saying they are, i’m saying that they don’t have a golden player. Like, can you seriously say that Hero or Maxpax are as good as Serral and Maru? Also, i’m not necessarily disagreeing with you; I feel like Protoss is very poorly balanced right now.
Dang that first match was lovely to see Serral slowly dismantle with full efficiency. I love the overwhelming Zerg style hitting all bases all the time without rest, but Serral putting the 'S' in RTS is always a win for me :D
@@jameslog3431 Hi! I'm a non-korean terran and as such micro is hard... please give a unit that can be spammed out and kill upgraded 50 supply groups of ling, bling, muta in the midgame. The zerg being 10x better than me isn't enough... He needs to be 11x bettah!
lmao - Love the hearthstone cards! I had to pause the video for a minute and fully appreciate them. Especially enjoyed that "Freddie Kreuger Stuff of Nightmares" shot of Serral. "Quantity has a quality all its own." You, sir, are nothing if not a master of the spoken werd.
WAIT A SECOND! THERES A CHANGELING!! "in the pipe five by five right boys? hehe:" "wait a second THATS NOT YOUR LINE!" had me rolling! Right off the cusp! comedy is your true gift winter!
They should let medivacs pick up burrowed widow mines. Also let widow mines jump into and out of dead space behind the mineral lines. Also, when widow mines hide in dead space, they're impossible to kill.
The problem is, that trying to 'nerf Serral' may make Zerg unplayable for everyone else. Serral is the kind of guy who would win no matter what race he picked and should not be Starcraft 2's target for balance.
not really, at all. im out there winning as zerg and im garbage. I even hit diamond the other day, finally ascending from plat. also can we talk about how hilariously disingenuious the balance whining is. before the cyclone change the balance council were the "ZERG CABAL". now theyre evil terrans who are nerfing zerg[citation needed] into unplayability[citation needed] due to serral[citation needed] you don't even try to hide it. tune in next year when the balance council is deemed a bunch of dirty tossers making toss op
I may be stupid, but isn't "balance" being defined as "the best PLAYER wins" and not "the best RACE wins"? Obviously Serral needs to win a lot - he is by far the best player. When Messi was in his prime, did Barcelona have to play with 2 players less to make it "balanced"? No. Nerfing Zerg until the best player no longer wins is not "balancing" the game.
@@SicketMog well from lower ranks to pro matches consensus seems to be the cyclone is pretty bad actually, but you're free to disagree. If you have actual evidence to the contrary, I know x5 pig was looking for replays of cyclones destroying zerg, and he hadn't been getting many because people he talked to had said they had it figured out by day 2.
@@OldSpaghettifactory89 I'm NOT disagreeing though; it's the exact opposite. New cyclone is bullshit (I have yet to face it much though; mines are, always were and likely always will be MORE bullshit imho). Edit: and I'm not saying it's bullshit because it's OP, because again I haven't faced it enough yet to tell, but because it's an ez to use auto attack spamming shoot while moving (like the BC) bullshit unit.
Hey winter. Don't know if you done something but the upload quality is insane ... Watching your cast on a 4k tv. Amazon quality. Thanks for all you do ❤👍
The cylones seem really good at creep denial. They force the zerg to pull back the overlords so its already going to be harder to rotate, but then they also force the zerg to keep the queens together so they cant even be split up anymore. I wonder what zergs are going to do? more queens? more lings? it will be intresting to see.
When in doubt, blame Jimmy! Also, I LOVE the look of the new maps, and seeing the Medivac in that shallow pond and seeing Winter call attention to it was awesome!
Hey guys old player coming back to the game since ive been seeing winters series recently, i'll be learning the game again from 0, but looking at the seires it looks to me that protos are quite far behind in balance prespective compared to the other 2, the cylone thing for example i dont get, costs the same as an stalker but has double dps and more ms and things like that happen in a lot of cases with protoss, could anyone explain me how to compete with protos against thing like that?
TIL Mutalisks apparently have a SECONDARY mouth in their tail apparently, andbthey don't just fling their tail spikes or something, according to the thimbnail picture, so thank you for that Winter xD Not sure if I ever wanted to know that horrifying detail though....
Cant beleive theres exist a man very well playing as a zerg, good coordinating and well placement units with almost perfect timing attack or counterattack
nah i've tested it multiple times mass thor beats mass ling, open or closed up area, at least when they all have that alt-fire mode turned on. They're ok if there aren't too many thors out yet but once thors reach a critical mass lings don't cut it and we see in that fight the thors cleaned up the lings pretty easily, but again terran was starved anyway but if he could reproduce enough of his army afterwards that would've been a bad trade for zerg.@@HellecticMojo
I believe he has the official match camera playing in those instances. The recording saves where the observers were looking, and he just followed their POV.
@@gerkan2052very big difference when banelings are so expensive and always trade inefficiently. stop crying, there’s no world in which Cure and Serral are equal players. Serral is the goat for a reason.
A comment down below said it best, the new patch has terran playing like zerg, and zerg like toss. I don’t even know what to even describe toss at this point since it seems they still have a lot of dust built up from their last actual good patch for them.
Since Cure uses most tools available in the T game, how come Banshees, Ravens and Battle Cruisers don't get used? Does that mean that they get easily outperformed or handled effectively in TvZ or they are underpowered?
Banshee's are a pretty specialized unit for early harassment, but because of spore crawlers/queens they're very easy to lose vs Zerg. They see some play, but especially against Serral, people know they won't do much. Ravens don't typically do particularly well vs Zerg because there's not really any good target for interference matrix, and the cheeto dust has always been theoretically a useful tool that was never worth the APM investment. It also isn't really needed for detection because, well Teran. BC is more of a counter unit in TvZ that's generally outperformed by ghosts. It's really expensive, and all it takes is a well timed abduct for the BC to just die. They also don't really have enough DPS to stop Zerg from just coming over and killing you before you reach a critical mass.
The camera work seems off for the last couple of games I've seen, sometimes it will linger over almost nothing, while one player is entering the others base...
I love your commentary, keep it up. I dunno if I'm alone in this opinion but maybe the game music (not the effects) could be reduced a bit? Maybe good maybe shit idea who knows
I'm not sure I get it. I saw this live yesterday, But not in the same order, what is up? Is Winter staging stuff? The first game on Hard Lead is the match point of the series with 2 - 2 on both sides. Radhuset is the fourth game, etc. What is going on
come along boys for i have a story to tell: there was a time when you could spam infested terrans, and the queens would autoinject all the hatcheries at home
I've always thought Cure's superpower was always to be just a little worse than his opponent ... so he'll make embarrassing mistakes against regular players but still can compete with the best of the best - and take a win when they have a bad day!
I've always thought Winter talked about SC2 like his "a 1/3rd Zerg player myself" should be closer to 100% Zerg, cause I always agree with him and I play Zerg. But I finally realized it isnt the player in him, its the Serral fanboy, and thats definitely 100% :P
Sometimes I feel that Zerg and Protoss are fighting gainst Campaing Terran. They have those towers that removes dark fog form the map, they have siege tanks AND liberators, they have elite snipers (ghosts), missile shotting mines that do not explode when activated. Blizzard always conspired to make terran unbeatable.
The converse of that is they are very weak in straight up engagements with the later units of other races in straight up fights. One needs to hit and run and use spellcasters to even those odds late game. If you want them to rely on them less you'll probably have to nerf them yes, but buff some other things.
@@adrianbundy3249 I know, I don't like the current design. Zerg has to play like protoss should be playing which is backwards as hell. Meanwhile Terran is playing like zerg, cycling through their entire unit list as they need. It's really dumb.
@@Nova_Janfinally someone said it. I just got back into watching starcraft. My first thought was were are the early ling scouts and the minor harass from zerg. Then I realized the cyclones and I was like oh so terran is zerg now.
@@Walleytherobot yea, zerg eco spent perfectly cam snowball extremely fast if unharrased in sc2. Sc1 zerg was focused around aggression and harassment, they flipped everything around and now the races act counter to their nature. Like really think about it, the colossi, protoss most elite ground unit, is only viable as a transition tool into late game, that's ridiculous to me.
@@Nova_Jan trust me I agree with you. I miss the hyper active zerg, the laid back toss, and the come at bro terrans. Those were the days that starcraft was at its peak. I miss those days so much.
Sort of. Serral over ran Clem by sending a ton of lurkers all over the map widow mine style and beat a widow mine pro is pretty hilarious. Strictly speaking, it’s better than widow mine in every way except the cost and the timing since you can’t drop lurkers as early and the production time. The thing that carries widow mine in this comparison is that it can be made earlier and it has a better support unit (Medivac vs Droppelord). Which can deal lethal damage early and early mid game and counter harassing units like Mutas and Phoenix since it can shoot up the air.
@clarkp2125 that makes a lot of sense. It still seems like an almost unfair unit in many aspects though. Like a tank you need to scan, have a raven, or an observer to see. Obviously similar to WM but they only have 1 shot and the recharge you know? And I've been watching long enough to have watched serral win in 2018, man is obviously the best SC2 player ever. But God damn, everytime I hear "lurker den thrown down" I cringe for terran or protoss 😅
@@fps_superpanda5088lurkers are a good unit, yes, but they come with their own downsides. first and foremost, they’re absurdly expensive to get in large numbers in which they would be useful, and secondly, they’re very vulnerable to spells/abilities. they seem imba because you have to change your unit comp when you see them, as you can’t simply charge 30 marines/ 10 zealots in and expect to win anymore. personally, as a protoss main, i think they’re very strong, but not necessarily imbalanced.
"If everyone stops using banelings out of protest, maybe they'll buff them back again?"
Swarm Host looking angrily at you. "Really?"
This was an EXHAUSTING match to cast, much closer than the last series between them. Thanks again to World Team League (WTL) for putting on this World vs Korea showmatch series, really appreciate all the matches they've been organizing lately.
Spoilers for the End (YES REAL SPOILERS YOU WERE WARNED):
Jimmy loaded up the matches in the exact reverse order. It WAS a Best of 5 series, just played in reverse. We missed out on some real drama by having that Hard Lead match first instead of the epic conclusion. He will be severely disciplined.
Alcyone: Cure (W) 1 - 0 Serral
Goldenaura: Cure 1 - 1 Serral (W)
Site Delta: Cure 1 - 2 Serral (W)
Radhuset Station: Cure (W) 2 - 2 Serral
Hard Lead: Cure 2 - 3 Serral (W)
What a match though, thanks again for watching I hope I made your day a little bit better
Terran was already the top performing race by miles and they do ridiculous shit like buff the most overpowered unit in the game "the widow mine" their play is obvious.... Blizzard ruined their chance of being the #1 esport, this is just a legacy of failure after failure of balance in this game. Widow mines shouldn't hit air units tbh, neither should archons or fungal growth
that shit with jimmy is so not funny how u still going with it only looks like u lose your sanity ...
I think Jimmy needs some talking to. He pulls this sort of shenanigans one more time you show him the door.
As a reference Winter ”Rådhuset” means Town hall in Swedish. So map is basically called town hall station by the mapmaker.
@@aaabatteries9948 ye yea yea people who are under observe in psychiatric hospital are check for such things but here he can explain that he do it COUSE of "audience" but i think he talk to jimmy even when he is alone couse loneliness which couse mental disorder like this ...
It’s gotta be Serral’s macro game that makes him unstoppable. Idk how he always does it, but he’s just SO good at managing his bases, injecting, queen and zergling placement for the early game, holding off pressure, and he seems like he always has a way bigger and stronger army. He knows exactly when he can hold a base and when to let it go, and saves so many drones because of it. He just seems like he’s nearly impossible to keep pressure on. Man is a LEGEND.
Serrals playstyle is how zerg is designed and played.
And it's unlikely to change in the future, so serral has a good chance of staying best zerg player for quite a while.
That shows that he understands the race, and how they can best perform. They're a macro race that is not so reliant on micro as much as they rely on sheer numbers, map presence, and remax capability. Other Zergs can learn a thing or two from his play.
An almost 2 hour cast?!?!? Winter, you spoil us...
YES THANK YOU DADDY WINTER AAHHHHH
Two hours with two goats. One playing and one casting. Epic!
Blizzard simply can't balance Serral. This is inhuman physical and mental superiority that totally abuses Zerg's advantages. Maestro!
Serral is like if your Tax form comes to life! What a quote!
Yeesh creep denial afforded by a few cyclones during the early game is just insane, I don't see how Zerg other than Serral and maybe Dark will really be able to effectively deal with them. It's scary to think what that level of early game aggression will do to Protoss.
I am nowhere near talented enough in the game to say the patch did this or that to the balance, but it feels like the upsides for Zerg and Protoss came with downsides elsewhere while the downsides for Terran are pretty superficial.
Definitely going to be interesting to see what Terran looks like against anyone who isn’t Serral. I suspect it’s gonna become Terrancraft at most tournament finals, but considering how little it seems to have slowed Serral down maybe there’s hope.
There's gonna be a token zerg and token toss, and every terran is gonna claim how it's fair and balanced because each race is represented.
@@HellecticMojoyou underestimate Terran blame-shifting…. I’ve already had a couple Terrans rage quit and tell me how Zerg got all the buffs lol
@@HellecticMojoi honestly doubt the toss part. There simply isn’t a Protoss player on par with Serral, and i feel like this patch didn’t change much of anything about Protoss while buffing Terran and keeping Zerg mostly the same.
@@ZerglingLover I really don't buy the whole protoss are wholly occupied by scrubs take. Protoss just pays too much for little mistakes so it's just noticeable.
@@HellecticMojo I’m not saying they are, i’m saying that they don’t have a golden player. Like, can you seriously say that Hero or Maxpax are as good as Serral and Maru? Also, i’m not necessarily disagreeing with you; I feel like Protoss is very poorly balanced right now.
Serral is a monster... "just play like Serral".
Keep up the good work Winter.. always love the content. thank you.
42:15 filthy mine pull, can't believe the zergling survived until the mine attack :D
God...that third match!! ...Serral would be absolutely terrifying to play against and Cure was so on point.
Its a much closer series because they nerfed Zerg into the ground lol
Won't see nukes landing on tempests or brood lords anymore since they are all speedy boys now
Dang that first match was lovely to see Serral slowly dismantle with full efficiency. I love the overwhelming Zerg style hitting all bases all the time without rest, but Serral putting the 'S' in RTS is always a win for me :D
This series taught me two things.
1) Serral is still Serral
2) I am very concerned for the future of TvZ for any zerg not named Serral
just like when they nerfed transfuse off of creep for Queen, OP Zerg was still just fine
@@jameslog3431transfuse off of creep is a specific strat issue. The current nerfs are a universal strategy issue.
@@jameslog3431 Hi! I'm a non-korean terran and as such micro is hard... please give a unit that can be spammed out and kill upgraded 50 supply groups of ling, bling, muta in the midgame. The zerg being 10x better than me isn't enough... He needs to be 11x bettah!
@@SicketMogmarine....
@@SicketMogare you mech player?
Serral is the best thing to happen to starcraft since butter!
To cheese or not
lmao - Love the hearthstone cards! I had to pause the video for a minute and fully appreciate them. Especially enjoyed that "Freddie Kreuger Stuff of Nightmares" shot of Serral.
"Quantity has a quality all its own." You, sir, are nothing if not a master of the spoken werd.
WAIT A SECOND! THERES A CHANGELING!! "in the pipe five by five right boys? hehe:" "wait a second THATS NOT YOUR LINE!" had me rolling! Right off the cusp! comedy is your true gift winter!
time to buff terran
-a terran
They should let medivacs pick up burrowed widow mines. Also let widow mines jump into and out of dead space behind the mineral lines. Also, when widow mines hide in dead space, they're impossible to kill.
widow mine now shoot 4 target .10 sec cd and remove friend fire
Widow mine doesn’t need a buff since it already breaks the fourth wall and deal emotional damage to Zerg and toss
It should do +3 splash range against workers
The problem is, that trying to 'nerf Serral' may make Zerg unplayable for everyone else. Serral is the kind of guy who would win no matter what race he picked and should not be Starcraft 2's target for balance.
not really, at all. im out there winning as zerg and im garbage. I even hit diamond the other day, finally ascending from plat.
also can we talk about how hilariously disingenuious the balance whining is. before the cyclone change the balance council were the "ZERG CABAL". now theyre evil terrans who are nerfing zerg[citation needed] into unplayability[citation needed] due to serral[citation needed]
you don't even try to hide it. tune in next year when the balance council is deemed a bunch of dirty tossers making toss op
@@OldSpaghettifactory89 "im garbage (...) " Got that right. Too garbage to see how garbage this patch is.
I may be stupid, but isn't "balance" being defined as "the best PLAYER wins" and not "the best RACE wins"?
Obviously Serral needs to win a lot - he is by far the best player.
When Messi was in his prime, did Barcelona have to play with 2 players less to make it "balanced"?
No.
Nerfing Zerg until the best player no longer wins is not "balancing" the game.
@@SicketMog well from lower ranks to pro matches consensus seems to be the cyclone is pretty bad actually, but you're free to disagree.
If you have actual evidence to the contrary, I know x5 pig was looking for replays of cyclones destroying zerg, and he hadn't been getting many because people he talked to had said they had it figured out by day 2.
@@OldSpaghettifactory89 I'm NOT disagreeing though; it's the exact opposite. New cyclone is bullshit (I have yet to face it much though; mines are, always were and likely always will be MORE bullshit imho). Edit: and I'm not saying it's bullshit because it's OP, because again I haven't faced it enough yet to tell, but because it's an ez to use auto attack spamming shoot while moving (like the BC) bullshit unit.
42:26 he killed twice as much but half was his own marines and Thor
Seral truly is the unkillable, unpatchable demon king of starcraft
Awesome series! Great to see how pros are adjusting to the changes
@4:42 had my dying like he was about to fight jimmy 😂
always a pleasure seeing a scrappy match with your commentary. keep it up!
Pressing the like button does nothing to ease the memory of that one 2016 project I keep telling myself 'I'mma get back to.'
Hey winter. Don't know if you done something but the upload quality is insane ... Watching your cast on a 4k tv. Amazon quality. Thanks for all you do ❤👍
Ty for casting these games.
Man I really didn't feel like zerg needed to be nerfed at all but I'm feeling it for sure
Trying to figure out Cure's split card. Is attrition a paladin ability and the splash a priest ability, or the other way around?
What?! Serral won more matches, time to nerf hi... i mean Zerg (and Protoss while we're at it, because why not?) and more buff to Terran.
Hahah I know right !!
*sad Protoss noises*
Hahahahaha
Thanks for the great cast Winter!
I'm an electrical engineer and it's just funny to hear the line "queen renewable energy system" great cast winter!
I may be wrong, but when I watched it live, the first game that Winter cast was the last game of the actual series.
The cylones seem really good at creep denial. They force the zerg to pull back the overlords so its already going to be harder to rotate, but then they also force the zerg to keep the queens together so they cant even be split up anymore. I wonder what zergs are going to do? more queens? more lings? it will be intresting to see.
Yeah, seems opening with 2-6 cyclones is going to be very meta in both TvZ and TvP.
Just a short comment to show my appreciation for you Winter! Keep up the good work!
47:57 "Uhh... I can't build here..."
At this point I already know who will win when it’s a Serral series
17:31 your reaction had me cracking up lmao
When in doubt, blame Jimmy! Also, I LOVE the look of the new maps, and seeing the Medivac in that shallow pond and seeing Winter call attention to it was awesome!
1:37:00 marines were nerfed when the barracks build time was increased from 60 to 65 seconds.
That changeling: "Hello fellow Terrans"
I was like who's Kira? Who is this Kyrie? He keeps mentioning some Keira.
OH CURE!
Hey guys old player coming back to the game since ive been seeing winters series recently, i'll be learning the game again from 0, but looking at the seires it looks to me that protos are quite far behind in balance prespective compared to the other 2, the cylone thing for example i dont get, costs the same as an stalker but has double dps and more ms and things like that happen in a lot of cases with protoss, could anyone explain me how to compete with protos against thing like that?
TIL Mutalisks apparently have a SECONDARY mouth in their tail apparently, andbthey don't just fling their tail spikes or something, according to the thimbnail picture, so thank you for that Winter xD
Not sure if I ever wanted to know that horrifying detail though....
Cant beleive theres exist a man very well playing as a zerg, good coordinating and well placement units with almost perfect timing attack or counterattack
Ahhh after a hard day at work, chilling and watching this.. best
im new to sc2 but ur videos are the only thing i watch on YT anymore looool
29:15 THE MUSIC THO
Holy shit is terran OP
Amazing video like always! Keep up the fantastic work
i did not expect serrals mass ling to work vs all those thors, but i guess he denied enough mining that he could get away with relying on the re-max
You kinda have to go mass lings if you are facing thors. Air is a non option, roaches are countered and hydra aren't good enough.
nah i've tested it multiple times mass thor beats mass ling, open or closed up area, at least when they all have that alt-fire mode turned on. They're ok if there aren't too many thors out yet but once thors reach a critical mass lings don't cut it and we see in that fight the thors cleaned up the lings pretty easily, but again terran was starved anyway but if he could reproduce enough of his army afterwards that would've been a bad trade for zerg.@@HellecticMojo
I watch for 'give him an inch he will take a kilometer'
@WinterStarcraft You're a sophisticated gentleman and I appreciate all your videos.
Awesome casting
I'm so confused about the cast on that last match. Your arms were folded but the camera kept moving? How does that work?
I believe he has the official match camera playing in those instances. The recording saves where the observers were looking, and he just followed their POV.
I often use your videos to fall asleep whenever i have a hard time sleeping. Hahaha, but i like your casts.
I like your titles and the way you talk about serial and the game
Why does cure look like Moon's (from wacraft 3) brother?
Why did you cast these games in a different order than they actually happened? The first map you cast was game 5 of the series
Another day, Another Serral W. Par for the course.
The nerfs to Zerg are the only reason this is close.
Wow zerg needs 50 instead of 40 Banes to win now !
hahhahaha
@@gerkan2052very big difference when banelings are so expensive and always trade inefficiently. stop crying, there’s no world in which Cure and Serral are equal players. Serral is the goat for a reason.
A comment down below said it best, the new patch has terran playing like zerg, and zerg like toss. I don’t even know what to even describe toss at this point since it seems they still have a lot of dust built up from their last actual good patch for them.
If you want to balance sc2 you need to make serral play with oven mitts on
First game felt like Cure couldn't believe he was about to win.
A lot of work lately, nice one Winter
world team league doesn't have yt?
Since Cure uses most tools available in the T game, how come Banshees, Ravens and Battle Cruisers don't get used?
Does that mean that they get easily outperformed or handled effectively in TvZ or they are underpowered?
Banshee's are a pretty specialized unit for early harassment, but because of spore crawlers/queens they're very easy to lose vs Zerg. They see some play, but especially against Serral, people know they won't do much. Ravens don't typically do particularly well vs Zerg because there's not really any good target for interference matrix, and the cheeto dust has always been theoretically a useful tool that was never worth the APM investment. It also isn't really needed for detection because, well Teran.
BC is more of a counter unit in TvZ that's generally outperformed by ghosts. It's really expensive, and all it takes is a well timed abduct for the BC to just die. They also don't really have enough DPS to stop Zerg from just coming over and killing you before you reach a critical mass.
Battlecruiser openers used to be a thing. Queens handle it though.
How do normal humans beat stuff like mass Thors + Ghosts like Cure did game 1?
Don’t try playing Muta is the first step.
thanks good cast Winter
The camera work seems off for the last couple of games I've seen, sometimes it will linger over almost nothing, while one player is entering the others base...
I love your commentary, keep it up. I dunno if I'm alone in this opinion but maybe the game music (not the effects) could be reduced a bit? Maybe good maybe shit idea who knows
So is @WinterStarcraft saying that the best Zerg units are Thors, Tanks and Liberators?
The Cyclone.. AKA the cheaper ground pheonix that can get double pumped and also shoot up/down
And swarmhost is still useless lol
43:56 kind of a weird engage by Serral. Loses a good portion of banes for a big discount...
Ghosts are still ridiculously overpowered.
Are you that guy from the 70's show?
I'd like to see a game where the 6 cyclone push results in a Terran lose, if u micro better or push with a banshee it's so hard to counter
1:21:20 yep REPORT MUTAS! 🤣😂😂😂😂
@winterstarcraft it would be great if you cast that game Byun vs Dark 7 years ago!!!
Shoutout to the 4 zergs still playing ladder. Lord knows it's not me.
i want some of the old maps in every mappool
New policy in place. You make me laugh, I like the video. So far, I am furious I cant give more likes.
Can't wait to see Jimmy one day
winter, you, are, AWESOME!!! tytytytytyty :) glhf fam!
I'm not sure I get it. I saw this live yesterday, But not in the same order, what is up? Is Winter staging stuff? The first game on Hard Lead is the match point of the series with 2 - 2 on both sides.
Radhuset is the fourth game, etc. What is going on
Detailed in the pinned comment, trying not to spoil the overall series but Jimmy sorted the replays by date...but in reverse (he will be reprimanded)
@@WinterStarcraft jimmy going to the dungeon again 😭😭😭
Banes are useless at high level since they will never connect banes are a micro unit now since u need to fungal in order to hit with banes
lol does dustin browder even work on this anymore?
Jimmy needs employ of the year😂😂
so.. who won?
come along boys for i have a story to tell: there was a time when you could spam infested terrans, and the queens would autoinject all the hatcheries at home
I've always thought Cure's superpower was always to be just a little worse than his opponent ... so he'll make embarrassing mistakes against regular players but still can compete with the best of the best - and take a win when they have a bad day!
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I've always thought Winter talked about SC2 like his "a 1/3rd Zerg player myself" should be closer to 100% Zerg, cause I always agree with him and I play Zerg. But I finally realized it isnt the player in him, its the Serral fanboy, and thats definitely 100% :P
Sometimes I feel that Zerg and Protoss are fighting gainst Campaing Terran. They have those towers that removes dark fog form the map, they have siege tanks AND liberators, they have elite snipers (ghosts), missile shotting mines that do not explode when activated. Blizzard always conspired to make terran unbeatable.
zerg seems like the most difficult to play and they keep getting nerfs
Zerg is so over-reliant on spellcasters.
The converse of that is they are very weak in straight up engagements with the later units of other races in straight up fights. One needs to hit and run and use spellcasters to even those odds late game. If you want them to rely on them less you'll probably have to nerf them yes, but buff some other things.
@@adrianbundy3249 I know, I don't like the current design. Zerg has to play like protoss should be playing which is backwards as hell. Meanwhile Terran is playing like zerg, cycling through their entire unit list as they need. It's really dumb.
@@Nova_Janfinally someone said it. I just got back into watching starcraft. My first thought was were are the early ling scouts and the minor harass from zerg. Then I realized the cyclones and I was like oh so terran is zerg now.
@@Walleytherobot yea, zerg eco spent perfectly cam snowball extremely fast if unharrased in sc2. Sc1 zerg was focused around aggression and harassment, they flipped everything around and now the races act counter to their nature. Like really think about it, the colossi, protoss most elite ground unit, is only viable as a transition tool into late game, that's ridiculous to me.
@@Nova_Jan trust me I agree with you. I miss the hyper active zerg, the laid back toss, and the come at bro terrans. Those were the days that starcraft was at its peak. I miss those days so much.
i havent played SC since AOD was a regular thing...but i swear lurkers really be OP. is it just me? that unit is outrageous
Sort of. Serral over ran Clem by sending a ton of lurkers all over the map widow mine style and beat a widow mine pro is pretty hilarious.
Strictly speaking, it’s better than widow mine in every way except the cost and the timing since you can’t drop lurkers as early and the production time. The thing that carries widow mine in this comparison is that it can be made earlier and it has a better support unit (Medivac vs Droppelord). Which can deal lethal damage early and early mid game and counter harassing units like Mutas and Phoenix since it can shoot up the air.
@clarkp2125 that makes a lot of sense. It still seems like an almost unfair unit in many aspects though. Like a tank you need to scan, have a raven, or an observer to see. Obviously similar to WM but they only have 1 shot and the recharge you know? And I've been watching long enough to have watched serral win in 2018, man is obviously the best SC2 player ever. But God damn, everytime I hear "lurker den thrown down" I cringe for terran or protoss 😅
@@fps_superpanda5088 i mean, in zvt, outside of that little trap that serral did, i never see them do anything that siege tanks wouldn't also do.
@@fps_superpanda5088lurkers are a good unit, yes, but they come with their own downsides. first and foremost, they’re absurdly expensive to get in large numbers in which they would be useful, and secondly, they’re very vulnerable to spells/abilities. they seem imba because you have to change your unit comp when you see them, as you can’t simply charge 30 marines/ 10 zealots in and expect to win anymore. personally, as a protoss main, i think they’re very strong, but not necessarily imbalanced.