The reason the awards don’t feel as gratifying as before is because when someone wins it, all you hear from sports media/social media is why they didn’t deserve it. And if you get the award, they’ll say you must win the championship. If not, the award doesn’t matter. Sports media took the excitement out of awards
And then people on social media start saying that these awards don't matter. Man no shii brah. No cap, I think awards should matter in these debates because if it never mattered, then why play hard of gaf for 82 games when the playoffs is all that matters?
Nikola Jokic this season: - 31.6 PPG (2nd in NBA) - 13.0 RPG (3rd in NBA) - 9.9 APG (2nd in NBA) - 47.7 3P% (leads NBA) - 15 triple-doubles (leads NBA) - Leads team in PPG, APG, RPG - 32.88 PER (leads NBA)
for illerate people jokic is having carreer year in shooting the 3, carreer year in rebounds, carreer year in assists far above his 3 mvp year statlines. jokic is the best player in the world
Why can't ya'll just celebrate that Nikola is actually the undisputed best player though. If it was Jordan, Lebron, there would be all over the media as "best player ever", but when it's a foreigner, "there are a lot of good players we cant call just one of the best" despite that player averaging 30 point triple double with 2 steals a game and shooting 50% from three, something literally never seen before from a player let alone a center.
Man is literally changing basketball in front of our eyes, allowing for a broader reach of the beautiful sport than just athleticism, showing everyone, this game can be played by a lot more people than just athletic freaks and y'all choose to berate him for it lol by making fun of how he looks or how little he jumps, I can do your job for you, make a podcast talking about all his other athletic gifts so kids watching can have hope they can build upon their knowledge and skill of the game in other ways as clearly this game is more than just how high you can jump or how fast you can run
@mcay88m.j ain't played ball in 20 years don't social media but yet y'all bring up his name y'all obsessed with trophies some of these guys don't even want to trouble they're getting paid multi-million dollars they don't give a f*** give me your obsessed with trophies and championships
65 game requirement is a great thing. You can bring it down to 60 games but there should be a minimum number of games played for players to be eligible for awards. Fans pay money to see them play and if they cannot meet that obligation they should not be allowed to receive any awards.
"Man it's tough.." explaining how unfair is that someone signed 4 year 200mil contract instead of 250mil is a peak delusion and one of the reasons why ratings are down.. "We're going to be playing just so many years and we're trying to get money " while one year on a minimum contract is more than 90 percent of us is going to make for life . What a bum a**
Nah they're down because NBA league pass is expensive and glitchy, and local fans can't watch their team on local tv without an antenna. Be mad at the billionaires who are ACTUALLY responsible for why normal people like "us" won't see that in our lifetime. Stop being mad at athletes and direct your anger at those actually in control of things
Sg not on joker giannis level. Sga good scorer but not the 3 not elite. Defense passing or rebounding only mid rnge and driving. Giannis elite in everything beside shooting nd jokic everyrhing beside rim protection 1vs1 defense@@diegobromfield
Giannis is the best defender of the group by a margin. But he's not on the same level scoring the ball because he cant make anything outside of 10 feet or FTs. That's why Lillard or even Middleton will have to make plays in clutch time. Jokic is the best player in the league, SGA as of now deserves MVP.
@@jaytse2269 except for the fact that Giannis is currently tied for the league lead and is more efficient 🤦🏾♂.... Also has like the 4th most efficient mid-range this season️
@1stew3digital49Doesn't matter. He's never shown the ability to do so in the clutch against contenders. And his FT % is even worse than ever at 58%. Just can't go to him in clutch playoff time. Facts.
Yet Jokic has never carried his team to a 60 wins season. Has never beat a 50 wins team in the playoffs. He is just a stats stuffer. This season, Nuggets have played the most OT games and Jokic is averaging 38 minutes so his stats are high. SGA is about to carry the Thunder to a 60+ wins season in the same conference. SGA is about to be a back to back 1 seed for the 2nd year running in the same conference as Jokic. Jokic's numbers do not translate in equal parts to winning
@@svengaliUG how does jokic numbers not translate to winning when he's won a championship. you guys said the kd/cp3/booker suns would beat the nuggets then you said the lakers led by lebron/AD would beat them, and then you said the Miami culture would be too much, I remember all of this. If any other player beat ant, kat, gobert, KD, cp3, booker, lebron, AD, Bam, Butler on his way to win a ring without a single all star on his team he would not get any hate. Also if any other player had his 2nd & 3rd option injured for 2 seasons he would not be criticised for loosing in the playoffs especially if the teams he lost to went to the finals (one of them which won). Also Jokic led his team back from a 3-1 deficit against a healthy kawhi led clippers team that was favoured to win the championship, Jokic led BOTH teams in points, rebounds, assists & blocks. the clippers won 49/73 games, which is 56 wins in an 82 game season.
@@svengaliUG Also Shai's most ever won games in a regular season is 57 wins which is the same as jokic but you praise shai for it and criticise jokic for it, Shai has also only won 1 playoff series in his career against a team with less then 50 wins before being sent home by Luka. So don't put shai on Jokic's level when he's not even as good as Luka. the only one on Jokic's level is Giannis another fellow champion unlike SGA.
How does everyone in the NBA feel so comfortable with discrediting Giannis and keeping him out of these conversations? It's pretty clearly on purpose and people are actively trying to just softly keep him in the conversation without treating him like he has a legitimate chance to win the whole thing.
I am Serbian and Jokic fan, but I agree with you 100%. I think Giannis is not getting enough love and he’s been doing amazing this year. I still believe Bucks can come out of the East as long as they keep playing the way they have over the last month or so. They seem locked in and flying under the radar.
I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s being left out of the conversation because the bucks are just not that good. They’ve floated pretty close to .500 in a weak eastern conference. So when production is relatively similar, winning is going to be a huge factor.
I miss the nba awards show where they announced all the winners and they were there to accept and stuff. Why’d they decide to just slowly roll them out individually now?
This is how it used to be, the winner getting the award in his home during the playoffs. Honestly surprised someone enjoyed the awards show, good for you, not for me
@@svengaliUG yeah, Jokic inflated stats just made some stupid wins, like winning title, or winning against opponents by giving them more points the they give you...yeah inflated...
@@racimegacar Nuggets did not play against a single 50 wins team in their title run. Jokic is 30 years old and has never beaten a 50 wins team in the playoffs in his entire career. He keeps getting MVPs for middling records. Steph, Bron, Harden, Giannis won MVPs carrying their teams to 60+ wins. Jokic, Westbrook are the flawed 40 wins MVPs
@svengaliUG yeah, sure if you write it it must be truth, yeah.... On the other way I think that you are incredible bad liar, or crazy, or on drugs...yeah
1:45 Yes, but the award isn't "Best player of the year", it's "Most VALUABLE player". As he brings value to the team. As in he changes that team by being present....
@andregulick3925 still, if you got 20% sick days you shouldn't get the number one spot. You shouldn't even be in the top 15 conversation of anything. Just to be clear: 65 out of 82 20ish percent.
Giannis is definitely becoming underrated, but having a perennial All-NBA guy in Dame is undoubtedly a factor when Jokic & Shai don’t even have a single All-Star teammate.
he works on his body, he also deserves credit for it! but bottom line not hypotheticals in real life.. the man is balling on both end clearly ahead of everyone else but Jokic
Depending on how the Narrative ends.....You go with SGA bec he has the best Team in the League or do you go by the Performance of Jokic...The Best Player in the World
I think the whole 65 game role min has been great because it keeps the whole load management cry babies like emflop , lebum, kwaii ect. In check... people pay their hard earned dollars to watch you play not sit on the bench. I wish avg people could go into work and say ehh i don't feel like it but your still going to pay me. Like mj, chuck, magic, bird , and any of the other top 10 players of all time said if i am not on crutches I'm playing... they understood the assignment.
FYI, Nikola Jokic is the first player in history of basketball to be top 5 in 4 of 5 categories. He is second in scoring, second in assists, third in rebounds, 4th in steals. No player has ever done this feast.
I dont get why dude at the start says awards are antithetical to what sports are. Its all competition. Being the best at something. Awards are the epitome of that
Tatum lost money because he didn’t make an all nba team, specifically because he received votes at guard and forward which essentially hurt his vote count as a whole because they were counted separately towards each position group. Not because he didn’t play enough games. Most of the players that make all-nba or won any of the awards have for the most part played in at least 65 games throughout the course of history.
U said that the pels is the craziest injury sh*t u've ever seen... Does last years memphis not exist. Legit broke records for most rotation, most lineups, most players and all this other stuff from being so injury riddled last season.
If SGA carries OKC to 60+ wins and 10+ games better than Denver in the wins column while averaging over 30+pp,g with his no.2 (Chet) out for half the season already, there is no logical, rational argument for the MVP to be any other person
@@kevinmclain4080on-off is more indicative of a lineup being bad than an individual player. Just like any other stat it's only meaningful with context.
Nah, these are athletes we're talking about. Injuries acquired during the games I get it but off court or even small repetitive stuff. No. You can eat healthy, afford a chef to cook healthy meals, afford trainers and physios of the highest caliber. Why would you not stay healthy? Some players manage. There's players who've had little to no injuries their whole career and said its attributed to their diet and workout regimen. Chris Paul was injury prone before his move to OKC and they said we made a move for an aging injury prone player but he missed like 3 games to go mourn his close friend Kobe. It's doable, players don't wanna commit to the work, they want a simple life and season. Go see what soccer schedules in Europe look like especially in winter time and they run way more than these guys. Just stop crying. Eat healthy, train harde like Cristiano Ronaldo 😂
Jokic literally got goons making sure they all vote for him because there is no way SGA gets less than 1/8 the amount Jokic got last year and it was so close
@ your brain doesn’t work that’s why you so defensive. Whether Jokic cares or not the guy at the end of the video basically explains these ppl exist. They LOVE their fav player
@@pashapasovski5860 but there are still ppl that like him so much they will ruin your career if you vote against him(like he was saying at the end of the video)
@iguesss people robbed him from his 3rd in row MVP by accusing him of being a white Stat padder and you are telling me that Jokic has such enormous fan base that people are scared to vote against his achievements! You got to be joking!
The reason the awards don’t feel as gratifying as before is because when someone wins it, all you hear from sports media/social media is why they didn’t deserve it. And if you get the award, they’ll say you must win the championship. If not, the award doesn’t matter. Sports media took the excitement out of awards
And then people on social media start saying that these awards don't matter. Man no shii brah. No cap, I think awards should matter in these debates because if it never mattered, then why play hard of gaf for 82 games when the playoffs is all that matters?
Spot on
Exactly
and you can add race there.
great comment
Nikola Jokic this season:
- 31.6 PPG (2nd in NBA)
- 13.0 RPG (3rd in NBA)
- 9.9 APG (2nd in NBA)
- 47.7 3P% (leads NBA)
- 15 triple-doubles (leads NBA)
- Leads team in PPG, APG, RPG
- 32.88 PER (leads NBA)
Where’s the blocks and steals at tho
@@trillamannwinters6963Jokic is 4th in steals, 3rd in deflections
❤ Joker 🎉
for illerate people jokic is having carreer year in shooting the 3, carreer year in rebounds, carreer year in assists far above his 3 mvp year statlines. jokic is the best player in the world
@@kowaikokorono offense but learn how to spell career correctly before you address people as illiterate lmao
Why can't ya'll just celebrate that Nikola is actually the undisputed best player though. If it was Jordan, Lebron, there would be all over the media as "best player ever", but when it's a foreigner, "there are a lot of good players we cant call just one of the best" despite that player averaging 30 point triple double with 2 steals a game and shooting 50% from three, something literally never seen before from a player let alone a center.
Man is literally changing basketball in front of our eyes, allowing for a broader reach of the beautiful sport than just athleticism, showing everyone, this game can be played by a lot more people than just athletic freaks and y'all choose to berate him for it lol by making fun of how he looks or how little he jumps, I can do your job for you, make a podcast talking about all his other athletic gifts so kids watching can have hope they can build upon their knowledge and skill of the game in other ways as clearly this game is more than just how high you can jump or how fast you can run
I haven’t heard a single person disagree that jokic is the best player in like 2 years now. It’s almost completely unanimous.
I think it’s been said over and over again bro he has 3 MVPs ppl acknowledge joker, your just a super fan
@bmillersince92 bro u really took your time out to call me a super fan appreciate that i do love hoops.
@mcay88m.j ain't played ball in 20 years don't social media but yet y'all bring up his name y'all obsessed with trophies some of these guys don't even want to trouble they're getting paid multi-million dollars they don't give a f*** give me your obsessed with trophies and championships
65 game requirement is a great thing. You can bring it down to 60 games but there should be a minimum number of games played for players to be eligible for awards. Fans pay money to see them play and if they cannot meet that obligation they should not be allowed to receive any awards.
"Man it's tough.." explaining how unfair is that someone signed 4 year 200mil contract instead of 250mil is a peak delusion and one of the reasons why ratings are down..
"We're going to be playing just so many years and we're trying to get money " while one year on a minimum contract is more than 90 percent of us is going to make for life . What a bum a**
Nah they're down because NBA league pass is expensive and glitchy, and local fans can't watch their team on local tv without an antenna.
Be mad at the billionaires who are ACTUALLY responsible for why normal people like "us" won't see that in our lifetime. Stop being mad at athletes and direct your anger at those actually in control of things
Quit crying on social media softy 😂😂
Giannis and Joker are leaps and bounds above everyone else.
You have to add SGA to that tier this year. And Tatum is not far behind these 3 either.
Sg not on joker giannis level. Sga good scorer but not the 3 not elite. Defense passing or rebounding only mid rnge and driving. Giannis elite in everything beside shooting nd jokic everyrhing beside rim protection 1vs1 defense@@diegobromfield
Giannis is the best defender of the group by a margin. But he's not on the same level scoring the ball because he cant make anything outside of 10 feet or FTs. That's why Lillard or even Middleton will have to make plays in clutch time. Jokic is the best player in the league, SGA as of now deserves MVP.
@@jaytse2269 except for the fact that Giannis is currently tied for the league lead and is more efficient 🤦🏾♂.... Also has like the 4th most efficient mid-range this season️
@1stew3digital49Doesn't matter. He's never shown the ability to do so in the clutch against contenders. And his FT % is even worse than ever at 58%. Just can't go to him in clutch playoff time. Facts.
🃏5Mvp
Yet Jokic has never carried his team to a 60 wins season. Has never beat a 50 wins team in the playoffs. He is just a stats stuffer. This season, Nuggets have played the most OT games and Jokic is averaging 38 minutes so his stats are high. SGA is about to carry the Thunder to a 60+ wins season in the same conference. SGA is about to be a back to back 1 seed for the 2nd year running in the same conference as Jokic. Jokic's numbers do not translate in equal parts to winning
@@svengaliUG how does jokic numbers not translate to winning when he's won a championship. you guys said the kd/cp3/booker suns would beat the nuggets then you said the lakers led by lebron/AD would beat them, and then you said the Miami culture would be too much, I remember all of this. If any other player beat ant, kat, gobert, KD, cp3, booker, lebron, AD, Bam, Butler on his way to win a ring without a single all star on his team he would not get any hate. Also if any other player had his 2nd & 3rd option injured for 2 seasons he would not be criticised for loosing in the playoffs especially if the teams he lost to went to the finals (one of them which won). Also Jokic led his team back from a 3-1 deficit against a healthy kawhi led clippers team that was favoured to win the championship, Jokic led BOTH teams in points, rebounds, assists & blocks. the clippers won 49/73 games, which is 56 wins in an 82 game season.
@@svengaliUG Also Shai's most ever won games in a regular season is 57 wins which is the same as jokic but you praise shai for it and criticise jokic for it, Shai has also only won 1 playoff series in his career against a team with less then 50 wins before being sent home by Luka. So don't put shai on Jokic's level when he's not even as good as Luka. the only one on Jokic's level is Giannis another fellow champion unlike SGA.
How does everyone in the NBA feel so comfortable with discrediting Giannis and keeping him out of these conversations? It's pretty clearly on purpose and people are actively trying to just softly keep him in the conversation without treating him like he has a legitimate chance to win the whole thing.
At least fans know with him leading the all-star votes 😊
I am Serbian and Jokic fan, but I agree with you 100%. I think Giannis is not getting enough love and he’s been doing amazing this year. I still believe Bucks can come out of the East as long as they keep playing the way they have over the last month or so. They seem locked in and flying under the radar.
If Gianni’s finishes top 4 with Glenn as a coach he might deserve mvp
He is the most overated player in the history of basketball. He can't score outside 2 feet to save his life.
I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s being left out of the conversation because the bucks are just not that good. They’ve floated pretty close to .500 in a weak eastern conference. So when production is relatively similar, winning is going to be a huge factor.
I miss the nba awards show where they announced all the winners and they were there to accept and stuff. Why’d they decide to just slowly roll them out individually now?
This is how it used to be, the winner getting the award in his home during the playoffs. Honestly surprised someone enjoyed the awards show, good for you, not for me
@ I just liked the personalities and banter with hosts but I can understand why they stopped doing it
Jokic made Westbrook elite again...noone in the league could do it, only MVP can do it
Nuggets playstyle is making Westbrook look elite just like it makes Jokic stats look inflated.
@@svengaliUG yeah, Jokic inflated stats just made some stupid wins, like winning title, or winning against opponents by giving them more points the they give you...yeah inflated...
@@racimegacar Nuggets did not play against a single 50 wins team in their title run. Jokic is 30 years old and has never beaten a 50 wins team in the playoffs in his entire career. He keeps getting MVPs for middling records. Steph, Bron, Harden, Giannis won MVPs carrying their teams to 60+ wins. Jokic, Westbrook are the flawed 40 wins MVPs
@@svengaliUG again moron, i will repeat give me memphis 50 win team over lakers and suns with kd and booker. So many morons here in this world
@svengaliUG yeah, sure if you write it it must be truth, yeah....
On the other way I think that you are incredible bad liar, or crazy, or on drugs...yeah
1:45 Yes, but the award isn't "Best player of the year", it's "Most VALUABLE player". As he brings value to the team. As in he changes that team by being present....
The MVP is the Player of the Year. That's SGA. His play is impacting winning. Jokic;s play is impacting stats
@@svengaliUGnonesense
stats impacting winning too, that's why 79% of the time jokic gets triple double their team wins.. I believe russ is 74%
You shouldn't be "employee of the year". if you were sick half the time.
Except it’s more of an All-NBA discussion, “one of the top 15 employees of the year” is more like it
@andregulick3925 still, if you got 20% sick days you shouldn't get the number one spot.
You shouldn't even be in the top 15 conversation of anything.
Just to be clear:
65 out of 82 20ish percent.
Zero discussion on giannis in the mvp conversation
Giannis is definitely becoming underrated, but having a perennial All-NBA guy in Dame is undoubtedly a factor when Jokic & Shai don’t even have a single All-Star teammate.
You can swap Jokics body with anyone in the league and he will still be good if not elite, shay and giannis need their athletic ability to be elite
Tf is your point?
he works on his body, he also deserves credit for it! but bottom line not hypotheticals in real life.. the man is balling on both end clearly ahead of everyone else but Jokic
SGA is the most skilled guard in the league lol
@@reed1511 Jokic is most skilled player in the league
If Jokic was 40 pounds lighter, he would be a poor man's Sabonis
Depending on how the Narrative ends.....You go with SGA bec he has the best Team in the League or do you go by the Performance of Jokic...The Best Player in the World
Can’t be the MVP if you miss 1/5 or1/4 of the season
I think the whole 65 game role min has been great because it keeps the whole load management cry babies like emflop , lebum, kwaii ect. In check... people pay their hard earned dollars to watch you play not sit on the bench. I wish avg people could go into work and say ehh i don't feel like it but your still going to pay me. Like mj, chuck, magic, bird , and any of the other top 10 players of all time said if i am not on crutches I'm playing... they understood the assignment.
FYI, Nikola Jokic is the first player in history of basketball to be top 5 in 4 of 5 categories. He is second in scoring, second in assists, third in rebounds, 4th in steals. No player has ever done this feast.
Good conversation. IMO the 65 games for awards is a good thing, durability is something that should be acknowledged and rewarded.
I dont get why dude at the start says awards are antithetical to what sports are. Its all competition. Being the best at something. Awards are the epitome of that
Tatum lost money because he didn’t make an all nba team, specifically because he received votes at guard and forward which essentially hurt his vote count as a whole because they were counted separately towards each position group. Not because he didn’t play enough games. Most of the players that make all-nba or won any of the awards have for the most part played in at least 65 games throughout the course of history.
DRose would not be viewed the same without an MVP.
Trey Murphy DESERVE STARTER 🤔🧐🤨
There is a difference between the the best player and the most valuable player when you're talking team sports . Impact is more than just stat lines .
Jokic, STILL! No competition!
Nah shai is better
@@OKCSoonersno diddy, jokic is, shai has a better team
@@Naim-Lest shai doesn’t even have his 2nd best player and is still like 9 games ahead of Jokic
imavine being a haliburton and worried about contracts when youre gonna make like 300 million by the end of your career lol
MVPs carry more weight than rings
D Rose without a MVP is Brandon Roy.
Why do ppl talk about MVP race and we are not even at half of the season
U said that the pels is the craziest injury sh*t u've ever seen... Does last years memphis not exist. Legit broke records for most rotation, most lineups, most players and all this other stuff from being so injury riddled last season.
If SGA carries OKC to 60+ wins and 10+ games better than Denver in the wins column while averaging over 30+pp,g with his no.2 (Chet) out for half the season already, there is no logical, rational argument for the MVP to be any other person
Problem is Joker numbers are illogical
@@alarydavidninnah Jokic ain’t winning mvp over shai without top 4 seed
@@dewman7477 I'm not saying who's winning or not
On-Off is the only stat that should matter.
Caring solely about one stat is dumb.
No it isn't. That's stupid. Different teams have diff contexts.
Caris Levert has the best net rating in the league this season, doesn’t mean he’s mvp off one single stat
@@kb5509 Putting totals over how you impact winning is stupid.
@@kevinmclain4080on-off is more indicative of a lineup being bad than an individual player. Just like any other stat it's only meaningful with context.
the mvp should be the undisputed best player in the league.
Shai is my pick for MVP 👍🏽
Nah, these are athletes we're talking about. Injuries acquired during the games I get it but off court or even small repetitive stuff. No. You can eat healthy, afford a chef to cook healthy meals, afford trainers and physios of the highest caliber. Why would you not stay healthy? Some players manage. There's players who've had little to no injuries their whole career and said its attributed to their diet and workout regimen. Chris Paul was injury prone before his move to OKC and they said we made a move for an aging injury prone player but he missed like 3 games to go mourn his close friend Kobe. It's doable, players don't wanna commit to the work, they want a simple life and season. Go see what soccer schedules in Europe look like especially in winter time and they run way more than these guys. Just stop crying. Eat healthy, train harde like Cristiano Ronaldo 😂
mvp is lame now cause people cant just admit that jokic is the guy
it's not good for the body. pro sports are not good for the body dude
Great discussion…with that said, SGA is the MVP this season 😜
Jokic literally got goons making sure they all vote for him because there is no way SGA gets less than 1/8 the amount Jokic got last year and it was so close
Jokic doesnt care, nice try though. You must be really insecure.
@ your brain doesn’t work that’s why you so defensive. Whether Jokic cares or not the guy at the end of the video basically explains these ppl exist. They LOVE their fav player
Jokic doesn't even have internet access 😅, that's how little he cares about individual awards
@@pashapasovski5860 but there are still ppl that like him so much they will ruin your career if you vote against him(like he was saying at the end of the video)
@iguesss people robbed him from his 3rd in row MVP by accusing him of being a white Stat padder and you are telling me that Jokic has such enormous fan base that people are scared to vote against his achievements! You got to be joking!