I first laid my eyes on this game walking through a flee market in Johannesburg, South Africa. With my curiosity and astonishment seeing these 2 people playing DM17 on 2 old school computers fight for the win just blew me away! I'll never forget that day. We were to poor to own a PC powerful enough to run Quake 3. After a few months my parents finally purchased a new PC with had enough power to run Quake 3. I'd spend countless hours playing this game! Thanks for the upload.
@@ProofPlains it was across from Eastgate mall which I believe was Bruma. Correct me if I'm wrong. We moved out of South Africa back in 99 so my memory is blurry.
@@miguelpereira9859 I feel like it's so much not a duel map, that it's the perfect duel map. It follows none of the rules to such a degree that it's entertainment value is off the charts.
@@eclipsegst9419 you have never played dm17 in duel and it shows. it's not requiring any skill nor challenging. unless you land 4 air rockets in a row, it's a race to rail and after that it's gg
My absolutely favourite map. Only downside is the railgun. Should have replaced it with megahealth or shield, and made it harder to respawn frag. This is an amazing rockets-only map.
i miss demos with some old big names, like proZac, Blue, polosaity, unkind, steLam...clans like "unmatched", stickmen, 4z etc. man, where is the time gone? i miss also demos with the old maps like "ospdm6", ospdm5...
Was for show, not for competition. proZac and I made a deal the first 2/3 of the map we tryhard, and the final minutes we make it interesting for crowd. Was a exhibition match to entertain spectators in France.
*Damn fatality's ego cost him on that one. He was leading by so much that he thought he had time to screw around and get dude back for the humiliation Gauntlet kill by reciprocating a gauntlet attack and it almost lost him the win.*
QPO were always fun to watch in the Eurocup. I wasn't a fan of AAA, maybe a couple of their players. Same with Forze. If UNR / Iron Fist were out, I'd be following QPO rooting for them. Prozac on fire was something fun to watch. He was similar to Bl0key - just an all round consistent beast. Nothing flashy. Just got the job done - carried the team. Fuck Ice Climbers. Bunch of Ronaldos and Messis all on the same team. That day when Iron Fist beat them in the final and Fox had his little meltdown is still one of the all time glory days of QIII.
Prozac was like Bl0key from UNR. Not a dueller, but in TDM, he had that nice *consistent* DG/DR ratio! Silently carrying the game, causing massive problems, steady away! I remember someone saying that any team in the world : AAA, GZD, EYE, FORZE, CK, 519 - all of em would have dropped *someone* on their roster to take Bl0key. They tried to poach him. Bl0key, like Prozac, was never a star 1v1 player. But they were both in discussion of the BEST players in TDM, which is a different beast to 1v1 entirely. I got into a couple of clans back in the prime Q3 days, cos I was lonely and had enough of 1v1 all day every day. I got drafted into every game too. Sometimes I'd say to the team, after a stinker couple of games, "why you always pick me?". It's cos they knew when I was on, I could +25 net and carry the game. But a lot of times I was off. Granted I was playing at a lower level than the Elite level clans, but I was a risk. Sure sometimes I'd +25 net off a few quads and lady luck. But other times I'd -20 net, even though I could molest every single player on the enemy team in a duel. TDM is different. Prozac was never a risk! You know you're getting a game changer player when he's on the ground. Always got his demos, watched his POV in cup games. One of the best European TDM players period, up there with Tox and M1st and Bl0key and Gladyshev. Legend. Ain't no shame in losing to Fat in a 1v1. Even Fat bombed hard in TDM sometimes, same with Unkind and Lexer etc. Very few players could mix it up at the top in TDM *and* 1v1. Guys like CZM and Fat and Tox and Zero4 and BoodaH are very rare. Prozac and Bl0key were like crack to TDM teams.
Was the zoom function disabled for death match,? I saw no one used it... Actually it is very handy for firing railgun into far distance .. I thought I was very good at it on the final nightmare against Xaero ..
omg!!!! so funny to see this map in the competition:) and so funny to see that they know nothing about this map. It is all about machinegun, rockets, and knowing the spawns.
It's amazing how buggy and laggy OSP Q3 was. Just watching it reminds me how much Quake (QL) has improved over the years with physics and netcode. Plus those slow rockets.. omg.. :)
I don't think it increases accuracy, what does slow fire rate have to do with that lol? but yes saving ammo seems mostly reasonable but in certain scenarios its really not reasonable like in 00:22.. here he just spawned and he had to die ofcourse as the other player had rockets... but he still fired at a slow rate instead of going all out and doing massive damage... I get a feeling that the firing rate of machine gun was reduced for dm17, it could very well be the reason.
Interesting, I see this type of comment a lot on these older videos, and I can definitely understand how people would come to that conclusion with the intensity in speed and mind games that are played in modern duels. I used to think the same thing! However, in reality, Fatal1ty actually schooled Cooller in Quake 4 and nearly stole the WSVG title from Toxjq, who was losing in the final round until he went into assassin mode and destroyed him, circa 2006. Also, Zero4, one of the most famous classic Quake players came back to Quakecon in 2013 and has since placed 4th in the duels twice (and that's just him taking it as a hobby, not training as hard as his protege-prodigy rapha) and took first with his teams in CTF in 2014, and Duel Division in 2015. Not to mention, that time Cypher faced off and beat ZeRo4, he only won by 1 single point! Check out the duel from 2008 if you are into these demo videos, it was pretty amazing (also the other matches I mentioned can all be found in a google or youtube search if you are interested in checking them out too, the toxjq vs fatal1ty duel in Quake 4 is way sicker than this match). Oldschool or new, the Quake Champions throughout the years are all sick, and some of these oldschoolers have proven, like my previously mentioned examples, that they can totally *hang with *DaHang (lol), Cypher, Cooller... just maybe not Evil and Rapha, those two are on fire these days... XD I think It's one of the dopest things about quake!
I disagree to be honest. This was an exhibition game for fun, was never really meant to be published online and was mostly me messing around in the final minutes in the game to make it an interesting finale. Unfortunately me trying to be acrobatic and have a crazy final frag failed because of mis-calculating Prozacs health and thinking he was under 100hp. Watch CPL Finals Fatal1ty vs Vo0 to get a better idea of high level professional play where there is $150,000 on the line and not some exhibition match that doesn't mean anything. All the best man.
Such a shame today's toplayer like ratpha plays to the backpedal killing all the emotions on watching such boring matches. Damn why people like Fatal1ty had to retire? =(
They don't just +back though. There is alot of thought going into each decision now. That is why it feels slower. Rapha, Cypher and Evil would all beat the best duellers back in 2003 if they had todays skills, because of all the extra experience that they just didn't have back in 2003.
Wrong, RATPHA is just that, a freakin RAT. I've watched Quake for like 15 years, I know there's a lot going like you say, but you can't compare Cypher who is a BEAST that throws CRAZY ROCKETS with Ratpha, the king of backpedaling, his playstyle is boring AF to watch, just safe safe safe till bores you, then he gets aggro for 2-3 kills and while he is in the lead sits down taking control of the map and avoiding any fights, even the ones he could win, he just trys to stay in the lead and that's it, if you want to force Ratpha a fight you are going to lose because he's got all the advantage and a privileged brain for sensing when he has to give up stuff to the enemy in order to AVOID the fight, that's the difference, if you pick for example Cooller, has a similar playstyle, the difference is even Cooller is more agressive than Ratpha, and the oldschool players also were taking decissions but they didn't play the macrogame at this level of pussyplay. And again, if you didn't understand, the problem is RATPHA being the champion, if it would be idk, cypher or k1llsen, then it wouldn't be boring to watch because those are player who actually give a good espectacle while playing for the joy of the audience.
Not really but if we have in mind the game is a balance between physical aptitude (aiming, strafing/movement, reflexes) and a psychological factor (macrogame, strategy, timing, map control) ... when the game is based most of the time on the 2nd it gets boring. Lets be honest, I don't like for example football/soccer, but what is more enjoyable for you to watch? a game where the ball is going from player to player all game and its 99% of the match on who control the ball or one of those games where both teams are most of the time rushing into the GOAL? I guess the 2nd one gives more emotion to watch for the spectators, so I guess in Q3/QL isn't much difference. I rather would like to watch someone like Daler, k1llsen, cypher even strenx rather than watching boring people like rapha or Lexer, but yeah as you said to each their own. PS: ironman was cool to watch but I prefere LOTR or Matrix, and IDK which one is "in bruge"
I first laid my eyes on this game walking through a flee market in Johannesburg, South Africa. With my curiosity and astonishment seeing these 2 people playing DM17 on 2 old school computers fight for the win just blew me away! I'll never forget that day. We were to poor to own a PC powerful enough to run Quake 3. After a few months my parents finally purchased a new PC with had enough power to run Quake 3. I'd spend countless hours playing this game!
Thanks for the upload.
Rosebank? Bruma?
@@ProofPlains it was across from Eastgate mall which I believe was Bruma. Correct me if I'm wrong.
We moved out of South Africa back in 99 so my memory is blurry.
@@gruffski Ja that's Bruma
@@gruffski quake champions is pretty good these days and it's free to play.
@skin09588 thanks man! It really was an amazing time in my life seeing quake 3 for the first time when 2 people playing on a LAN. 😁
It's hilarious to me that dm17 was once played at the highest competitive level in Quake 3
rail to win fr
Hilarious? Why? I feel like the maps that are in rotation now aren't near as unique or challenging.
@@eclipsegst9419 It's just not a good duel map
@@miguelpereira9859 I feel like it's so much not a duel map, that it's the perfect duel map. It follows none of the rules to such a degree that it's entertainment value is off the charts.
@@eclipsegst9419 you have never played dm17 in duel and it shows. it's not requiring any skill nor challenging. unless you land 4 air rockets in a row, it's a race to rail and after that it's gg
Damn i cant even explain how i miss those days...
Same. I loved q3 times.
its depressing eh? wishing for a time machine
Best time in our life!!
Best LAN game ever.
When you try to open the console, but you are only watching a RUclips video in fullscreen :)
When your eyesight is so bad, you can't tell the difference between native resolution and a heavily compressed video from the early 2000's.
@@prezidenttrump5171 what do you even mean? Yea, the demo is old but it is rendered in 1080p60. Looks almost as good as watching in-game
Sei cristianAIRTE???😂 oddio giocavi a q3??? Con che nick
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My absolutely favourite map. Only downside is the railgun. Should have replaced it with megahealth or shield, and made it harder to respawn frag. This is an amazing rockets-only map.
i miss demos with some old big names, like proZac, Blue, polosaity, unkind, steLam...clans like "unmatched", stickmen, 4z etc. man, where is the time gone?
i miss also demos with the old maps like "ospdm6", ospdm5...
Да, это было хорошо
that map is so much fun. you can knock people into space. sometimes i pick off people going for the megahealth.
A dramatic ending for a brutal fight.
Fatal1ty really sweated it against proZaC. My respect for both players.
Was for show, not for competition. proZac and I made a deal the first 2/3 of the map we tryhard, and the final minutes we make it interesting for crowd. Was a exhibition match to entertain spectators in France.
@@Fatal1tyTV wait. what? the legend himself?
Amazing ending. Thanks for the upload!
A ballet of Quake 3.
Oh, WFA how I miss you. Real old school gaming ✊
Had to worry about ping 😎😬
So the lore of Quake goes. Mendax used to play TFC possibly 2yrs before Q3A :) If you remember him :)
Well, this brings back memories... thanks!
lol at ending :)
*Damn fatality's ego cost him on that one. He was leading by so much that he thought he had time to screw around and get dude back for the humiliation Gauntlet kill by reciprocating a gauntlet attack and it almost lost him the win.*
QPO were always fun to watch in the Eurocup. I wasn't a fan of AAA, maybe a couple of their players. Same with Forze. If UNR / Iron Fist were out, I'd be following QPO rooting for them. Prozac on fire was something fun to watch. He was similar to Bl0key - just an all round consistent beast. Nothing flashy. Just got the job done - carried the team.
Fuck Ice Climbers. Bunch of Ronaldos and Messis all on the same team. That day when Iron Fist beat them in the final and Fox had his little meltdown is still one of the all time glory days of QIII.
Prozac was like Bl0key from UNR. Not a dueller, but in TDM, he had that nice *consistent* DG/DR ratio! Silently carrying the game, causing massive problems, steady away! I remember someone saying that any team in the world : AAA, GZD, EYE, FORZE, CK, 519 - all of em would have dropped *someone* on their roster to take Bl0key. They tried to poach him. Bl0key, like Prozac, was never a star 1v1 player. But they were both in discussion of the BEST players in TDM, which is a different beast to 1v1 entirely. I got into a couple of clans back in the prime Q3 days, cos I was lonely and had enough of 1v1 all day every day. I got drafted into every game too. Sometimes I'd say to the team, after a stinker couple of games, "why you always pick me?". It's cos they knew when I was on, I could +25 net and carry the game. But a lot of times I was off. Granted I was playing at a lower level than the Elite level clans, but I was a risk. Sure sometimes I'd +25 net off a few quads and lady luck. But other times I'd -20 net, even though I could molest every single player on the enemy team in a duel. TDM is different.
Prozac was never a risk! You know you're getting a game changer player when he's on the ground. Always got his demos, watched his POV in cup games. One of the best European TDM players period, up there with Tox and M1st and Bl0key and Gladyshev. Legend. Ain't no shame in losing to Fat in a 1v1. Even Fat bombed hard in TDM sometimes, same with Unkind and Lexer etc. Very few players could mix it up at the top in TDM *and* 1v1. Guys like CZM and Fat and Tox and Zero4 and BoodaH are very rare.
Prozac and Bl0key were like crack to TDM teams.
8:15 was hilarious 😂😂😂
Was the zoom function disabled for death match,? I saw no one used it... Actually it is very handy for firing railgun into far distance ..
I thought I was very good at it on the final nightmare against Xaero ..
Maybe Im wrong but I guess you dont see zooming in replays?
@@ajantis.ilvastarr yeah, only works in Quake Live as far as i know
omg!!!! so funny to see this map in the competition:) and so funny to see that they know nothing about this map. It is all about machinegun, rockets, and knowing the spawns.
those were the days, eswc, cpl *farewell*
I was born that year
That's not fatality playing...unless he was sleeping.
Hope to see more videos from you man keep it up :D
Why are they playing so weirdly or is this how pros play quake cuz it looks weird
or were they just this simple in 2003 lmao
proZaC
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Q3A is still out there.
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Is tapping with the machine gun better for accuracy?
its up t u
Финал просто щикарен
I lived on this map.
Really love the ending, what a close match!
Фаталити в конце просто дурака валял.
is this like the dust1 of quake?
epic win
Видно про уровень !
geezus, whats up with the weird video/recording/demo lag/speed..?
WTF, Fatal1ty!! What the hell did you do at the end of the match?
He said at comments for this video, that they had a deal - first 2/3 of the match are serious, last 1/3 is fun + show.
Awesome!
Why isn't he taking the quad damage!!!
Because it is 1v1 not FFA. No Quad here.
9:26 panic:d
s9jruz moves great on this map
It's amazing how buggy and laggy OSP Q3 was. Just watching it reminds me how much Quake (QL) has improved over the years with physics and netcode. Plus those slow rockets.. omg.. :)
Buggy and laggyt? Did you even play it? It was amazing for it's time and i could still be stuck at year 2000-2005 when i played the most.
And fyi, the demo also usually looks and seems "Slow & bugged" doesnt mean the game is.
This is just the demo. They always screwed up the sound. The game didn't actually play like that.
Старый формат демо проигрываемый на последней версии игры часто дает эфыект пропадающих звуков, ну и плавнее всегда чем реальная игра.
После QL как будто timescale 0.8
3:12 WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKING AMAZING.
why is the machinegun being fired at such a low rate?
They are saving ammo + it increases machinegun accuracy.
I don't think it increases accuracy, what does slow fire rate have to do with that lol? but yes saving ammo seems mostly reasonable but in certain scenarios its really not reasonable like in 00:22.. here he just spawned and he had to die ofcourse as the other player had rockets... but he still fired at a slow rate instead of going all out and doing massive damage... I get a feeling that the firing rate of machine gun was reduced for dm17, it could very well be the reason.
Its a bug from the demoplayback and the netcode. animations and sounds got lost. in the real match the MG fires normaly.
Oh thanks for the info, that cleared it out.
Quake 3 Arena + Unreal Tournament 3 = best multi fps ever
NICE!
I just started playing Quake some months ago and o think this map is terrible for duels
It is. Except for instagib. Instagib duels on dm17 is da bomb!
Shit!!! The rail gun give 100 damage?!?!?!?!?
it's 80 damage it deals.
Marc Espejo Ruiz it's op
In Quake3 it was 100damage, nowdays (in QuakeLive) its 80.
oh, it's good to know. yeah now that explains al those kills.
We used to play this map alot.. for 1 vs 1 we made strict rule of not taking Rail gun.. Rail gun makes competition kinda one sided....
it's crazy how the skill level is higher now... they would have zero chance on top esl matches.
Interesting, I see this type of comment a lot on these older videos, and I can definitely understand how people would come to that conclusion with the intensity in speed and mind games that are played in modern duels. I used to think the same thing! However, in reality, Fatal1ty actually schooled Cooller in Quake 4 and nearly stole the WSVG title from Toxjq, who was losing in the final round until he went into assassin mode and destroyed him, circa 2006. Also, Zero4, one of the most famous classic Quake players came back to Quakecon in 2013 and has since placed 4th in the duels twice (and that's just him taking it as a hobby, not training as hard as his protege-prodigy rapha) and took first with his teams in CTF in 2014, and Duel Division in 2015. Not to mention, that time Cypher faced off and beat ZeRo4, he only won by 1 single point! Check out the duel from 2008 if you are into these demo videos, it was pretty amazing (also the other matches I mentioned can all be found in a google or youtube search if you are interested in checking them out too, the toxjq vs fatal1ty duel in Quake 4 is way sicker than this match). Oldschool or new, the Quake Champions throughout the years are all sick, and some of these oldschoolers have proven, like my previously mentioned examples, that they can totally *hang with *DaHang (lol), Cypher, Cooller... just maybe not Evil and Rapha, those two are on fire these days... XD
I think It's one of the dopest things about quake!
I disagree to be honest. This was an exhibition game for fun, was never really meant to be published online and was mostly me messing around in the final minutes in the game to make it an interesting finale. Unfortunately me trying to be acrobatic and have a crazy final frag failed because of mis-calculating Prozacs health and thinking he was under 100hp.
Watch CPL Finals Fatal1ty vs Vo0 to get a better idea of high level professional play where there is $150,000 on the line and not some exhibition match that doesn't mean anything.
All the best man.
I will check these out. tbh too, i'm a UT player so anything not feeling like crouching tiger hidden dragon makes me feel that way.
Cheers.
Fatal1ty, if you get into Quake Champions add me, it would so cool to be able to play along with you haha
I couldn't agree more.
wow, their aim really sucks for today's standard
true :)
I never like this map...
Fatality got fatalitied at places
Such a shame today's toplayer like ratpha plays to the backpedal killing all the emotions on watching such boring matches. Damn why people like Fatal1ty had to retire? =(
They don't just +back though. There is alot of thought going into each decision now. That is why it feels slower. Rapha, Cypher and Evil would all beat the best duellers back in 2003 if they had todays skills, because of all the extra experience that they just didn't have back in 2003.
Wrong, RATPHA is just that, a freakin RAT. I've watched Quake for like 15 years, I know there's a lot going like you say, but you can't compare Cypher who is a BEAST that throws CRAZY ROCKETS with Ratpha, the king of backpedaling, his playstyle is boring AF to watch, just safe safe safe till bores you, then he gets aggro for 2-3 kills and while he is in the lead sits down taking control of the map and avoiding any fights, even the ones he could win, he just trys to stay in the lead and that's it, if you want to force Ratpha a fight you are going to lose because he's got all the advantage and a privileged brain for sensing when he has to give up stuff to the enemy in order to AVOID the fight, that's the difference, if you pick for example Cooller, has a similar playstyle, the difference is even Cooller is more agressive than Ratpha, and the oldschool players also were taking decissions but they didn't play the macrogame at this level of pussyplay.
And again, if you didn't understand, the problem is RATPHA being the champion, if it would be idk, cypher or k1llsen, then it wouldn't be boring to watch because those are player who actually give a good espectacle while playing for the joy of the audience.
I imagine you're the kind of guy who would choose "Iron Man" over "In Bruge" on movie night. To each their own, I guess.
Not really but if we have in mind the game is a balance between physical aptitude (aiming, strafing/movement, reflexes) and a psychological factor (macrogame, strategy, timing, map control) ... when the game is based most of the time on the 2nd it gets boring.
Lets be honest, I don't like for example football/soccer, but what is more enjoyable for you to watch? a game where the ball is going from player to player all game and its 99% of the match on who control the ball or one of those games where both teams are most of the time rushing into the GOAL? I guess the 2nd one gives more emotion to watch for the spectators, so I guess in Q3/QL isn't much difference. I rather would like to watch someone like Daler, k1llsen, cypher even strenx rather than watching boring people like rapha or Lexer, but yeah as you said to each their own.
PS: ironman was cool to watch but I prefere LOTR or Matrix, and IDK which one is "in bruge"
@@cybdan_ It isnt game balance, it is maps which are at fault.
Fatal1ty aim like a bot..
funny game ;)
nice.
Мясо
OMG!!!! first player is NOOB
this is bad map
taliban!
not bad
The rail is supposed to give 100dmg, if you ever played a real game (quake2) and not this dumb remake that is stupid and skill-less.
i'm pretty sure you suck and get stuck in the past.
This was Quake3, so the rail still gave 100 dmg.
VinR123 lol what a dumb comment. Every Quake has it's pros and cons