Without flexibility, it's more likely to snap unless the edge is sharpened to ludicrous lengths, which would be a bad idea... It's decent to have a moderate amount of flexibility in a sword. Not too flexible to such an extent that you can't even stab right, and not to solid that it'd snap after a few swings.
I was thinking the same thing during the video, but at the end of the video, Mister Chiinnature comes to that point. So he is not wrong in his video, he is just over generalizing in the beginning and not clear enough in the end. A demonstration would had helped. At least for European swords, I know that they are essentially spring steels. So the steel itself is flexible, but the blade geometry and hardening gives the blade it rigidity. But still: With blade on blade contact, I know that European swords can swing and even create a sound. When pressed on a hard surface, the blade will bend, put it requires quite some force/body weight. I also could not help, put ask my self why he has "noddle swords" around him anyway - they need to have some purpose or meaning (else they would be next to him in the first place).
Spring steel swords and traditional European swords that are mono steel and have been tempered are meant to wobble because it makes them better. There are two different types, differentially hardened swords (like katanas) that are NOT meant to wobble when made properly, these are extremely prone to being bent and chipping. Then there are spring steel swords that have a unified carbon rating because they use one type of steel (unlike katanas). These swords are designed to flex perpendicular to the orientation of the blade, and spring back into pace, hence, spring steel. These swords are much more durable than the other swords, as they can withstand a lot more force without any damage. However, spring steel swords are easier to snap than differentially hardened swords, as you can't just bend it back into place if something goes wrong, although the likelihood of something going wrong is much lower than a differentially hardened blade. Please address this, as you make it seem like no sword should ever wobble or flex, which is completely and utterly incorrect, your point only applied to swords such as the katana. Edit: I should clarify, that the noodle swords you show aren't high quality spring steel, they are indeed crap swords, with no spine, and they flex too far towards the tip to be practical in any sense. The cold steel sword does have flex, which I appreciate you mentioning, although it seems some people in the comments have taken this to mean it's low quality. A spring steel sword should be able to be bent SLIGHTLY in the hand, only a tiny bit, depending on the spring, a hard steel sword should have no spring or you should need a vice, like you said earlier.
Thanks! I know, not only Japanese sword, Chinese sword are the same too. The bokkens are easier to do but the sharp blades do also make sound like Woosh or woof! something like that. You are right, they do make sound, but not from the blade flicking, haha. Thanks for watching!
I'm looking for the Broad Sword (Dao), no flex!!!! Hanwei is expensive and Cold Steel discontinued their Chinese Willow Leaf and Ox-tail swords a few years ago. Any info you can provide would be very appreciated. Thank you sir. :-)
OF course, and if you see my other videos, you will realize that I weld swords that is sharpened and mostly from 2.3lb to 3.5lb and up too. Yes it is easy to injure yourself if you use wushu stuff on a real jian or dao, really really dangerous.
Hi ! It will be a pleasure to see some Chinese body armor in your channel. For instance , lamellar armor from Han dynasty （汉代鱼鳞甲） and 明光铠 from dynasty Tang
hahaha~ no worry man., both works and both means the same thing. Ng-Goi is more like thanks as in someone helped you out. Doh-Je is more for when people give you something or some compliment or a gift, like thank you very much.
Note: if your swing angle and technique is proper with japanese katana, they make a whoosh sound ( sword through air), i still study kenjutsu, and all of what was said is pretty much spot on, wall hangers only lead to injury. Great video with Great information.
@ Chiinnature! Thank you for all of your videos I have learned so much! But I want a very good sword one I can have for a long time! can you suggest any sites I should shop at?
Well, you are right in that those "noodle" words are not real sword. But they are used in Taichi and Wushu for good reasons. They are not supposed to be real, they are training simulators. They are safer for begginers and the ping sound is an indicator of that the thrust have been done with good speed and precision. I think that, for chinese swordmanship, they are the best tool to learn forms.
***** it is not, the thrusting thing is bullshit - you can thrust nicely without a sound, and that sound can be made without thrusting nicely too. Those swords are way too light and have bad balance most of the time, which makes the training pointless already. It doesn't give you the true feeling of a real sword because of the weight. When you handle a real sword then you are screwed because you are not used to them. Safer? Buy a sharp sword, dull the edge, there you go. In the old days they do make the same "real sword" in a dull version too, easy as hell, just use a stone to slide it on the edge 50x and it is semi-dull'd already.
Correct Mike...Chiinnature, great video, but you are comparing oranges with apples. There are 3 types of swords. Decorative, Wushu, and Combat. Chiinnature, you forgot to mention,, there are super flexible Chinese Gim (sword) that can bend from the tip of the blade to the handle. You wear it like a belt to conceal it from the public. It is called a belt sword. Its used for assassination. It is weapon's grade metal and is both flexible and holds its stiffness for stabbing at the same time. If it's a sword for the battle field, has to be heavy and stiff to pierce armour. If its for everyday personal protection, it has to be light and flexible for quick reaction. Chiinnature, keep posting, you have a nice Channel.
TOMMYBOY6969 The belt sword is more of a movie weapon, especially after Andy Lau's movie in 1991. Seriously, in the past, at least from my research, there isn't such thing as a belt sword much in Chinese weaponary. If you do find anything with facts, please do show me the link. I know there are real belt sword sold by some manufactures now (western weapons) and honestly, you will not wont want. First, they are dangerous for the user, and second is it is illegal in many places to carry - such as Canada. There are no 3 types of swords (decorative, wushu and combat), there is only the difference between a real sword for use or a practice/decoration sword. Wushu swords are garbage swords and can only be classified as props. Too bad, I can't stand it, it's really a disgrace to swords with those chrome plated crap. Decorative swords are fine, it's decoration, doesn't needs to be properly made to withstand stress and abuse, and that I can understand...so ya, I don't like the idea of putting wushu swords in as a "sword" somehow. Also, the type of flex you find on a normal Lung Chuen sword now, they do bend a bit and flex to 90 degree if you bend it hard, but the wushu crap will bend like a noodle, and is totally not what Tai Chi will use. Those "noise" that they create when thrusting = garbage. They are the wushu standard stuff, and means NOTHING to a swordsman. Also, the weight on those swords are way too light, and is bad for a taichi practitioner (it will develop the bad habits and also not allow you to correct yourself as you use the sword with improper weight and stuff).
Not really. There are those flexible swords that flex 90 degree when you bend it HARD, which is acceptable for taichi practitioners in general. The wushu crap is bendable like a noodle and flex like paper, those crap is NOT healthy to use, and they are VERY not suggested for any martial artist. Their weight is too light and will develop bad habits - which wushu is famous for non-sense movements and bad habits with weapons. Wushu, is a disgrace of chinese kungfu, and that's all thanks to the government of China, it's like trying to mix in dancing with kungfu, and then transform kungfu to a staged performance art, which sucks.
Chiinnature You have to understand, Wushu is a sport for performance and health. We now live in a modern world, lots of actual combat skills with swords Yes , is being lost. Sure, Wushu forms is bad for the battle field. But who goes to battle now with a sword anymore ? You are still comparing apples with oranges. Wushu is a sport and Chinese kung fu is kung fu, they are 2 different things. Wushu is an amazing performance art, its an amazing dance with a fake sword, whats wrong with that. As long as you know it's not real kung fu for fighting,,, And real Kung Fu is also an amazing fighting technique. Wushu and Kung fu are simply different things that should not be compared !
TOMMYBOY6969 How is wushu good for "health" when their stretching and shit is all overdone and creating long term damage to the body? Not anything that move = good health you know? just because they dance around doesn't mean it's good for health, just like when body building guys gone wrong, it could be bulky hulky, but also bad for health. I have seen and been to many wushu teams training place to observe and know about their stuff, and the seniors all have problems with their back and legs, because they over stretch the legs and everything they do is purely for performance and "points" system, which is totally not for health. It's a money making machine invented by the gov of China to get their butt into Olympic - but failed. You know what you are trying to say before you comment on wushu? Really? Seriously, where did you get that health thing from? LOL
Swords only would have a slight wobble. If a sword is full tang, the wobble probably comes from the parts not being completely one piece. A katana for example, even when full tang, is still put inside a piece of wood. So the parts don't always fully connect perfectly.
+paul ballard swords can bend or not bend, depends on the design. But then, swords must have "flex" to a certain degree so they are not brittle. Flex doesn't mean they are soft and bendable by hand though. They have to be clamp to a vice and bend with force to be bend...
+paul ballard In any metal striking weapon, there is a spectrum between rigidity and flexibility. Swords that fall all the way on the rigid side of the spectrum are brittle and will shatter or snap when used to strike anything hard, while swords that fall all the way to the flexible side of the spectrum won't transfer force to their targets. Different styles of weapons want to be at different places in that spectrum, but pretty much no style of weapon benefits from being all the way at one end or the other.
The swords making that sound are to help the wielder know if he/she is using it right. When you thrust correctly it makes the sound. However most of the swords are pretty cheap- The flexibility is not a bad thing. However it is not meant for actual use. It's good for performances or practicing your form.
Hey i know you prefer cold steel polypropylene swords, however there is a polypropylene jian sword that I would love to see you review on. You can buy it off of amazon or Swords of Might. I would really appreciate it if you did
I got a sword that feels very sturdy but when you shake it from left to right you can feel a very slight wobble, does this mean its no good and should only be loved as a wall decoration?
I have the same Dao you showed in the beginning even when I bought it they said it was only used for competitions so it gives that movie like feel but yeh way too light to be a real sword
most of the Stainless steel and chromed steel thin blades are more for wushu performance (not combat) most weigh in around 700 - 800 grams the blades typically is made from sheet metal and no ridges to speak of they are not much heavier than wooden jian or bokkens that is for practice Functional swords weighs in about 1 to 1.5KG the blades typically are 8 - 4mm thick at the hilt and do not flex from thrusting thrusting a 1.5kg sword 1-handed can be hurt the shoulder if not careful
Believe it or not there actually were flexible swords and broad swords that were worn as a belt. Use use your chi to make the sword stiff enough for battle. And some masters could actually use flexible swords, it requires more deeper trading though.
what is the metal that is heavy sturdy sword that you mentioned at the very end to be the best what type of metal? you said no stainless steal etc... so which type of steel?
So does anyone by chance know anything of the preparation of good swords then? I know they're forged, but are they quenched? Tempered? Also I saw a "Tai Chi Sword" earlier from a manufacturer that listed the carbon grade as something like between 0.25% to 0.60% carbon. I work for a heat treating company that primarily treats automotive companies and I wasn't aware steel could vary so much in carbon content. Usually the stuff I test is listed as a specific grade, like 1018.
+Joe Parrotta Of course they're quenched AND Tempered. The quench make the steel REALLY hard, ideal for keeping an edge, but with only a quench, the steel is too brutal, it will break too easily. You need to temper a bit the blade to make it flexible enough to sustain impact.
Can you help tell me if my blade is real?? Tell me what I should tell you for example: Is it bending? How heavy is it? etc etc. Please reply back and let me know, I will send you pictures if you would like :)
I'm looking for a Chinese Broad Sword (Dao) No Flex. Hanwei is expensive and Cold Steel discontinued their Chinese Willow Leaf and OX-Tail swords a few years ago. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you sir. :-)
So, would my 46" Renaissance Rapier be real or close to being real? It does not wobble nor make silly sounds, it makes that slash sound you hear with any object slashing, heavy and it is stainless steel. I just want to verify.
Salvatore Dipietro not really , not saying it cant be used for practice , but any sword made with stainless steel isnt safe because that steel becomes to brittle over 12 inches and shatters easily . this is especially true for rapiers since its primarily a stabbing weapon and has an overly thin and long blade.which means it has no backbone or muscle to keep it together
Yami Zero Thank you for a reply! So if my 46 inched rapier slashed, then it would shatter or mess up. I honestly thought so as I was slashing it around. It felt like it could, especially considering how this it is. I knew it was intended for stabbing purposes. So, it is real then? Just do not attempt to ever use a veavy slash attack on an object or it will break, right?
Salvatore Dipietro yes, avoid using heavy strikes or hard targets as the steel may not be able to handle the stress. it may not shatter but it easliy gets deformed or damage the handle.. stabs may be iffy but it should be okay for the most part.
Yeh you have train to use the specific techniques for the blade that you are actually using.. drawing and cutting and chopping and blocking are very different things and some blades are designed to have multiple sections that can let the practitioner perform all these. Many blades do not so the user must be fully aware of what the blades capabilities are and what they cannot do with it.. This completely invalidates those that say a foil blade is a training tool...
while a sword that flexes like that would never be used for a fight, thin metal like that is excellent for slashing because it will cut very deep in soft tissue, i would be willing to bet that one swing across a stomach would slice it open very easily
You perform how you train.. Training with a foil blade is a waste of time, without the correct weight and length your anatomical loading is completely incorrect and you can never train for the correct timing and dynamics.. (ITS SLOWER if you try the same moves you do with foil blades....its not slower if you KNOW how to move with a heavier blade) you have to move completely differently with a 500gm blade to a 1.5kg blade, you simply cannot escape basic mechanics.. Ive met many over the years (+20yrs) who insist that foil blades are all they need to train with, so maybe you know that its not real but many dont.................. Ive handed traditional dao to foil experts and theyve held it for a few seconds and handed it straight back.. they consistently refuse to show me that they know what to do with it..
Yin Look Tool steel? I doubt you can find swords made in that material unless it's custom made. I have seen swords made in tool steel though, and yes they are tough and strong
Yin Look I have seen that documentary already, but I am just saying, it's very hard to find one these days, unless you buy a custom made sword, and it won't be anywhere near the $300 for sure, LOL Very expensive!
Why do some sword ring when struck? And others clunk? Have a cold steel smatchet, that rings loudly. But my cold steel gladius machete just clunk, clunk.
You are right Chinese swords don not flex like that, but there is only one sword that is supposed to flex like that, it is native to India, it makes no rattle noise (only the spring noise), and is never made of stainless steel. it is called the Urumi it is also known as the whip sword and is very dangerous to everyone around it. needless to say it is not a thrusting weapon. A real one is a prized piece but you should never wield it unless you have decades of experience. go to: Urumi, Flexible sword, Kalarippayattu, Martial art form to see some people use this sword.
im making my own sword out of aluminium not a good metal to use but i want to get use to casting swords. its going to be a viking shortsword but i was wodering if an aliminu sword could last a sparring session?
It all depends what i have to work with ive been looking at methods one was melting and then casting the aluminium swords, another idea is a steel sheet that i cut and then sharpen or providing i can make a furnace and melt it in a crucible buuuut it all depends what i have at my disposal ahaha :)
The S Man Just get some steel. You can make those fake cheap swords out of your typical 1045 steel. Or as they like to call it: *high carbon steel* which all steels have carbon or its simply metal... Anyways if you want a cheap sword that can cut several things just get the cheap 1045 steel and make a sword out of it...
wobble is not practical cause if you stab someone the blade avades... and you loose all the force you put in the thrust... eg a rapier was pretty hard hrc wise... so it transfers all the force into the thrust... and since a rapier was a pure dueling blade... it was not meant to hit against armor...
HRC is a mesure of hardness. Rigidity depends purely on blade geometry, every steel has 99% the same modulus of elasticity. Harder steels spring back up more, but break when they can't bend any more. Softer steel springs back less, but deforms plastically before braking.
Heybi just bought a katana ffrom a man that gets them from a chinese company that makes them and exports them from vhina this mans name is joseph sleiman he is owner of the gold fever bussines.. he said the sword was damascus steel 48 fold. He called it the red dragon katana.. it was 1000 dlls.. do u know anything about that sword or that man? I would apreciate ur response thankyou
Just saying... Red dragon triple set swords cost 50 bucks on trueswords.com. Idk if its the same as your talking about. But sounds like a fake. Best thing to do is check the sword over. Check the tang etc. and you should be able to see if its real or not
oscarincampos I wouldn't buy a "katana" with a generic (Chinese-esque, not even Japanese) name like "the red dragon," and especially not from a company called "gold fever" or for the price of $1000... You can get much more authentic, and higher quality weapons for that price.
callum greig 1095 can be good but can be crappy. But 1095 is monosteel, if they "damascus" it, meaning they fold it with some other crap, you are better off buying a pure 1095 mono steel blade!
Thoes bending swords are horrible for combat but great for practicing your forms! I'll buy them for that! I'll buy the REAL swords for strength training and actual combat!
Herowebcomics They are bad for forms, because they are too light weight and does not give you a proper training, and your hands are used to those light weight swords then when you handle a real deal you don't even feel the same anymore. Just get a real thing, then dull the edge, there goes a practice sword -- which you can resharpen again later if you like.
Incorrect, flex is good, just not too much flex. A sword with no flex at all will bend permanently upon being subject to too much force. For example, a traditional katana is differentially hardened and has no flex, if you cut into anything too hard with a katana you'll just ruin the blade. Spring steel will not do this, as it will always flex back as he mentioned. The coldsteel sword he showed has very little flex, as you need a vice to flex it, and is, therefore, harder and sturdier than a typical spring steel sword which is seen in longswords. flex isn't a bad thing. The reason the swords at the start were cheap and bad is that they have no spine and they flex way too far towards the tip, they aren't spring steel, just cheap steel. he mentioned that if you bend it too hard it will stay that way, this is the biggest indicator of the difference between noodle swords and proper spring steel, no matter how hard you hit something with a spring steel sword, it'll flex back into place, after oscillating side to side perpendicular to the blade's orientation, this disperses the force of the impact in order to protect the blade, spring steel swords do not shake to the extent shown in these cheap noodle swords. Coldsteel swords and spring steel swords are actually high quality swords, there's just been a misunderstanding. As he says in the video, this is the type of flex we are looking for in a good sword. Remember each type of sword has its uses and applications. :)
Ooo... dont base what a real sword is from every culture by how Cold Steel does it. They make EVERY sword heavy and tip heavy. I bought an army saber, the blade is the thickness of my index finger, and the thing feels like its 5 pounds because they balance all there swords for slashing, they REALLY dont care about historical accuracy or even finesse.
+Herb Toker Cold Steel straight up tells everyone they value durability and reliability over historical accuracy. Shit dude they test thing things by doing PULL UPS with them. The fact of the matter is with modern materials we can make much better quality blades than historically accurate ones, fun fact: things in the past, typically sucked more. I guess it really doesn't matter that much though when you consider the point of a sword is to cut and kill someone, it doesn't matter how strong the blade is in that situation as long as it can do that job before gong to crap on you. Side note: My cold steel hand and half sword weighs a little less than three pounds, as far as I can tell that is historically accurate, the balance is a bit far down the blade though.
+drizzitdude Well you wouldnt say the same thing if it broke and killed you too. Just because its heavier doesnt mean that its better. Theres a reason to why you want to follow traditions that has been polished to near perfection over one thousand years over having a metal bat that can cut through a donkey but wont do you any good in a real fight. Theres always a trade off when it comes to close quarter combat using blades (something that is shown in the multitudes of blades out there through the thousands of years). You always want to have a light enough sword to make it usable but strong enough to take a few beatings. Thats why laminated swords were invented as they offered a light sword with a sharp edge that wouldnt shatter (katanas). And if you look at some of the european swords you will see both light and heavy swords because they had very different uses. If "the heavier the better " was the rule, everyone would have ran around with fucking buster swords!
I don't understand why those wobbly swords are used so often in movies. It is like the gangsta style of holding a gun. It doesn't even look good. And they don't do honor for the Chinese sword.
MsDjessa because they are cheap and movie makers want to keep things low budget, and also they look cool on movies with the flashy effects which somehow worked to fool many people to believe swords should be like that.
no i have stop doing those videos already, basically stopped most martial art videos now because they don't have much views when I do them before. More into other things now, such as flashlights and guns review, and also most crazy things is - the chiense magic! :) ruclips.net/channel/UCYMcTN3A930mbpwNZCPL8gw - this is my new channel with the magic stuff, even more cool than martial arts lol
Need to change the title. Sword blades do in fact wobble the rigid blades are the ones you really need to worry about as they can be easily broken. You're actually showing this in your video just watch a real sword strike an object it will wobble back and forth before regaining it's original shape. I'll agree they shouldn't shake though.
"See the sound?... See?" haha good video though!
Oh yes, I can see the sound in my nostrils
He can see sounds? That's amazing he must be faster then the speed of sound 😂
His english is not very good and it has not improved in the last 5 years.
Without flexibility, it's more likely to snap unless the edge is sharpened to ludicrous lengths, which would be a bad idea... It's decent to have a moderate amount of flexibility in a sword. Not too flexible to such an extent that you can't even stab right, and not to solid that it'd snap after a few swings.
I was thinking the same thing during the video, but at the end of the video, Mister Chiinnature comes to that point. So he is not wrong in his video, he is just over generalizing in the beginning and not clear enough in the end. A demonstration would had helped.
At least for European swords, I know that they are essentially spring steels. So the steel itself is flexible, but the blade geometry and hardening gives the blade it rigidity. But still: With blade on blade contact, I know that European swords can swing and even create a sound. When pressed on a hard surface, the blade will bend, put it requires quite some force/body weight.
I also could not help, put ask my self why he has "noddle swords" around him anyway - they need to have some purpose or meaning (else they would be next to him in the first place).
I think they are meant to be mostly practice or decorative.
It is very powerful and it looks powerful
"TRIIIING" i like this dude
welcome! hope you like it!
This is a cool guy.
love this guy he taught me nuff stuff before buying swords and training
Spring steel swords and traditional European swords that are mono steel and have been tempered are meant to wobble because it makes them better. There are two different types, differentially hardened swords (like katanas) that are NOT meant to wobble when made properly, these are extremely prone to being bent and chipping. Then there are spring steel swords that have a unified carbon rating because they use one type of steel (unlike katanas). These swords are designed to flex perpendicular to the orientation of the blade, and spring back into pace, hence, spring steel. These swords are much more durable than the other swords, as they can withstand a lot more force without any damage. However, spring steel swords are easier to snap than differentially hardened swords, as you can't just bend it back into place if something goes wrong, although the likelihood of something going wrong is much lower than a differentially hardened blade. Please address this, as you make it seem like no sword should ever wobble or flex, which is completely and utterly incorrect, your point only applied to swords such as the katana.
Edit: I should clarify, that the noodle swords you show aren't high quality spring steel, they are indeed crap swords, with no spine, and they flex too far towards the tip to be practical in any sense. The cold steel sword does have flex, which I appreciate you mentioning, although it seems some people in the comments have taken this to mean it's low quality. A spring steel sword should be able to be bent SLIGHTLY in the hand, only a tiny bit, depending on the spring, a hard steel sword should have no spring or you should need a vice, like you said earlier.
So the point of this video is don't use swords like the green destiny form crouching tiger hidden dragon
that is a movie
he's talking real life bro
LOL noodle swords XD
nero akira Tifa!
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Go to Kult of Athena for these, they have some stuff there that is pretty good now. No flex for sure.
I already posted this video in my Kung Fu community for educational purposes. Thank you once again
Do a sword collection video
Thanks! I know, not only Japanese sword, Chinese sword are the same too. The bokkens are easier to do but the sharp blades do also make sound like Woosh or woof! something like that. You are right, they do make sound, but not from the blade flicking, haha. Thanks for watching!
love the weapon display !
Thank you for this very informative and interesting video!
I'm looking for the Broad Sword (Dao), no flex!!!! Hanwei is expensive and Cold Steel discontinued their Chinese Willow Leaf and Ox-tail swords a few years ago. Any info you can provide would be very appreciated. Thank you sir. :-)
OF course, and if you see my other videos, you will realize that I weld swords that is sharpened and mostly from 2.3lb to 3.5lb and up too. Yes it is easy to injure yourself if you use wushu stuff on a real jian or dao, really really dangerous.
Love your videos and love that real sword it's 1 9f my favourite blade designs.
Hi ! It will be a pleasure to see some Chinese body armor in your channel. For instance , lamellar armor from Han dynasty （汉代鱼鳞甲） and 明光铠 from dynasty Tang
hahaha~ no worry man., both works and both means the same thing. Ng-Goi is more like thanks as in someone helped you out. Doh-Je is more for when people give you something or some compliment or a gift, like thank you very much.
Note: if your swing angle and technique is proper with japanese katana, they make a whoosh sound ( sword through air), i still study kenjutsu, and all of what was said is pretty much spot on, wall hangers only lead to injury. Great video with Great information.
@ Chiinnature! Thank you for all of your videos I have learned so much! But I want a very good sword one I can have for a long time! can you suggest any sites I should shop at?
Seven star trading sells Huanuo swords both jian and dao
Well, you are right in that those "noodle" words are not real sword. But they are used in Taichi and Wushu for good reasons. They are not supposed to be real, they are training simulators. They are safer for begginers and the ping sound is an indicator of that the thrust have been done with good speed and precision. I think that, for chinese swordmanship, they are the best tool to learn forms.
***** it is not, the thrusting thing is bullshit - you can thrust nicely without a sound, and that sound can be made without thrusting nicely too. Those swords are way too light and have bad balance most of the time, which makes the training pointless already. It doesn't give you the true feeling of a real sword because of the weight. When you handle a real sword then you are screwed because you are not used to them. Safer? Buy a sharp sword, dull the edge, there you go. In the old days they do make the same "real sword" in a dull version too, easy as hell, just use a stone to slide it on the edge 50x and it is semi-dull'd already.
The flexible swords are for Wushu or Tai Chi, not for actual cutting. That's why they make the noise when thrusting/cutting.
Correct Mike...Chiinnature, great video, but you are comparing oranges with apples. There are 3 types of swords. Decorative, Wushu, and Combat. Chiinnature, you forgot to mention,, there are super flexible Chinese Gim (sword) that can bend from the tip of the blade to the handle. You wear it like a belt to conceal it from the public. It is called a belt sword. Its used for assassination. It is weapon's grade metal and is both flexible and holds its stiffness for stabbing at the same time. If it's a sword for the battle field, has to be heavy and stiff to pierce armour. If its for everyday personal protection, it has to be light and flexible for quick reaction. Chiinnature, keep posting, you have a nice Channel.
TOMMYBOY6969 The belt sword is more of a movie weapon, especially after Andy Lau's movie in 1991. Seriously, in the past, at least from my research, there isn't such thing as a belt sword much in Chinese weaponary. If you do find anything with facts, please do show me the link. I know there are real belt sword sold by some manufactures now (western weapons) and honestly, you will not wont want. First, they are dangerous for the user, and second is it is illegal in many places to carry - such as Canada.
There are no 3 types of swords (decorative, wushu and combat), there is only the difference between a real sword for use or a practice/decoration sword. Wushu swords are garbage swords and can only be classified as props. Too bad, I can't stand it, it's really a disgrace to swords with those chrome plated crap. Decorative swords are fine, it's decoration, doesn't needs to be properly made to withstand stress and abuse, and that I can understand...so ya, I don't like the idea of putting wushu swords in as a "sword" somehow.
Also, the type of flex you find on a normal Lung Chuen sword now, they do bend a bit and flex to 90 degree if you bend it hard, but the wushu crap will bend like a noodle, and is totally not what Tai Chi will use. Those "noise" that they create when thrusting = garbage. They are the wushu standard stuff, and means NOTHING to a swordsman. Also, the weight on those swords are way too light, and is bad for a taichi practitioner (it will develop the bad habits and also not allow you to correct yourself as you use the sword with improper weight and stuff).
Not really. There are those flexible swords that flex 90 degree when you bend it HARD, which is acceptable for taichi practitioners in general. The wushu crap is bendable like a noodle and flex like paper, those crap is NOT healthy to use, and they are VERY not suggested for any martial artist. Their weight is too light and will develop bad habits - which wushu is famous for non-sense movements and bad habits with weapons. Wushu, is a disgrace of chinese kungfu, and that's all thanks to the government of China, it's like trying to mix in dancing with kungfu, and then transform kungfu to a staged performance art, which sucks.
Chiinnature You have to understand, Wushu is a sport for performance and health. We now live in a modern world, lots of actual combat skills with swords Yes , is being lost. Sure, Wushu forms is bad for the battle field. But who goes to battle now with a sword anymore ? You are still comparing apples with oranges. Wushu is a sport and Chinese kung fu is kung fu, they are 2 different things. Wushu is an amazing performance art, its an amazing dance with a fake sword, whats wrong with that. As long as you know it's not real kung fu for fighting,,, And real Kung Fu is also an amazing fighting technique. Wushu and Kung fu are simply different things that should not be compared !
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How is wushu good for "health" when their stretching and shit is all overdone and creating long term damage to the body? Not anything that move = good health you know? just because they dance around doesn't mean it's good for health, just like when body building guys gone wrong, it could be bulky hulky, but also bad for health.
I have seen and been to many wushu teams training place to observe and know about their stuff, and the seniors all have problems with their back and legs, because they over stretch the legs and everything they do is purely for performance and "points" system, which is totally not for health. It's a money making machine invented by the gov of China to get their butt into Olympic - but failed.
You know what you are trying to say before you comment on wushu? Really? Seriously, where did you get that health thing from? LOL
Swords only would have a slight wobble. If a sword is full tang, the wobble probably comes from the parts not being completely one piece. A katana for example, even when full tang, is still put inside a piece of wood. So the parts don't always fully connect perfectly.
these swords are used for shows am guessing? because of the nice sound?
Depends on the sword and steel type, most swords flex or wobble at least to a certain degree, especially when they are long and double-edged.
that is true, but I am talking about the "noodle sword flexing"
Thank you for clearing that up. I always thought the swords were supposed to bend.
+paul ballard swords can bend or not bend, depends on the design. But then, swords must have "flex" to a certain degree so they are not brittle. Flex doesn't mean they are soft and bendable by hand though. They have to be clamp to a vice and bend with force to be bend...
+paul ballard In any metal striking weapon, there is a spectrum between rigidity and flexibility. Swords that fall all the way on the rigid side of the spectrum are brittle and will shatter or snap when used to strike anything hard, while swords that fall all the way to the flexible side of the spectrum won't transfer force to their targets. Different styles of weapons want to be at different places in that spectrum, but pretty much no style of weapon benefits from being all the way at one end or the other.
Gosh! I really was asking myself 'bout it just Yesterday !... wait a minute..
YEAH! thanks!
The swords making that sound are to help the wielder know if he/she is using it right. When you thrust correctly it makes the sound. However most of the swords are pretty cheap- The flexibility is not a bad thing.
However it is not meant for actual use. It's good for performances or practicing your form.
Not really. Even you stab correctly, it should NOT make a sound too -- if you are doing it slow.
Chiinnature actually it teaches people to be loose when stabbing and not so rigid.
Hey i know you prefer cold steel polypropylene swords, however there is a polypropylene jian sword that I would love to see you review on. You can buy it off of amazon or Swords of Might. I would really appreciate it if you did
I got a sword that feels very sturdy but when you shake it from left to right you can feel a very slight wobble, does this mean its no good and should only be loved as a wall decoration?
hahah~ welcome! (btw, that's mandarin, in Cantonese we say "Ng Goi Saai" meaning thanks a lot) haha~
Great Job on your guide, keep it up!
Hello mak jo si have a question can you tell me if you know a very good sword that is sharp and won't break also do you have one that is under $400
I have the same Dao you showed in the beginning even when I bought it they said it was only used for competitions so it gives that movie like feel but yeh way too light to be a real sword
you need to find a live Damascus steel broad sword but it's expensive... but for comparison that skallagrim liu ye dao.
most of the Stainless steel and chromed steel thin blades are more for wushu performance (not combat)
most weigh in around 700 - 800 grams
the blades typically is made from sheet metal and no ridges to speak of
they are not much heavier than wooden jian or bokkens that is for practice
Functional swords weighs in about 1 to 1.5KG
the blades typically are 8 - 4mm thick at the hilt and do not flex from thrusting
thrusting a 1.5kg sword 1-handed can be hurt the shoulder if not careful
Another great video!
You should have mentioned other important details like full tang, to avoid stainless steel, ect.
I would like to know how to tell if katanas or samurai swords are real or if they are fake because I want to buy a real katanas or samurai sword
Hey if a sword doesn't flex on high impact it will brake so being flexible is good but not like the first one
Hello :) That video had an interesting intro song a while ago but it got changed :( Do you know the name of the old intro song?
I really like the hilt of the second wobbly sword you showed. What was the name of that type of sword?
Its called "Dao" meaning knife.
For a sword to flex like that it must be very thin. I see why real combat worthy sword would never.
Believe it or not there actually were flexible swords and broad swords that were worn as a belt. Use use your chi to make the sword stiff enough for battle. And some masters could actually use flexible swords, it requires more deeper trading though.
Do you know of any good non-flexible chinese broad swords that don't cost over $1,000?
I am Chinese from Malaysia but I don't like Chinese swords I like japanese swords
what is the metal that is heavy sturdy sword that you mentioned at the very end to be the best what type of metal? you said no stainless steal etc... so which type of steel?
Of course, a lot... go see Cold Steel swords, their Chinese swords don't flex too
So does anyone by chance know anything of the preparation of good swords then?
I know they're forged, but are they quenched? Tempered?
Also I saw a "Tai Chi Sword" earlier from a manufacturer that listed the carbon grade as something like between 0.25% to 0.60% carbon. I work for a heat treating company that primarily treats automotive companies and I wasn't aware steel could vary so much in carbon content. Usually the stuff I test is listed as a specific grade, like 1018.
+Joe Parrotta Of course they're quenched AND Tempered. The quench make the steel REALLY hard, ideal for keeping an edge, but with only a quench, the steel is too brutal, it will break too easily. You need to temper a bit the blade to make it flexible enough to sustain impact.
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Can you help tell me if my blade is real?? Tell me what I should tell you for example:
Is it bending?
How heavy is it?
etc etc. Please reply back and let me know, I will send you pictures if you would like :)
email me or pm me, thanks
very good to know.
I'm looking for a Chinese Broad Sword (Dao) No Flex. Hanwei is expensive and Cold Steel discontinued their Chinese Willow Leaf and OX-Tail swords a few years ago. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you sir. :-)
You are my faverite you tuber nice vid
thanks!
So, would my 46" Renaissance Rapier be real or close to being real? It does not wobble nor make silly sounds, it makes that slash sound you hear with any object slashing, heavy and it is stainless steel. I just want to verify.
Salvatore Dipietro not really , not saying it cant be used for practice , but any sword made with stainless steel isnt safe because that steel becomes to brittle over 12 inches and shatters easily . this is especially true for rapiers since its primarily a stabbing weapon and has an overly thin and long blade.which means it has no backbone or muscle to keep it together
Yami Zero Thank you for a reply! So if my 46 inched rapier slashed, then it would shatter or mess up. I honestly thought so as I was slashing it around. It felt like it could, especially considering how this it is. I knew it was intended for stabbing purposes. So, it is real then? Just do not attempt to ever use a veavy slash attack on an object or it will break, right?
Salvatore Dipietro
yes, avoid using heavy strikes or hard targets as the steel may not be able to handle the stress. it may not shatter but it easliy gets deformed or damage the handle.. stabs may be iffy but it should be okay for the most part.
Yeh you have train to use the specific techniques for the blade that you are actually using.. drawing and cutting and chopping and blocking are very different things and some blades are designed to have multiple sections that can let the practitioner perform all these. Many blades do not so the user must be fully aware of what the blades capabilities are and what they cannot do with it..
This completely invalidates those that say a foil blade is a training tool...
we're can we purchase these different types of swords
while a sword that flexes like that would never be used for a fight, thin metal like that is excellent for slashing because it will cut very deep in soft tissue, i would be willing to bet that one swing across a stomach would slice it open very easily
Can you make reviews about Armour and korean weap9n too?
So a good thruster is one that is stiff, straight and meaty. Got it.
You are a lucky guy to have all those swords , i only have a daft ornamental samurai with a cobras head for a handle and is not sharp what so ever .
Jonny Parker lucky? not lucky, I work for the money and earn my own swords, nothing is about lucky.
Good stuff mate , i would love a collection like that .
Thank You so much
I know that they don't shake or wobble, but can you curse a real sword?
Thank god finally some one who knows what a traditional blade is meant to be.. those silly tin-foil and s/s blades just annoy the shit out of me..
that's because the sheet metal sword are for practice,forms, and choreography there not meant to be real swords
You perform how you train.. Training with a foil blade is a waste of time, without the correct weight and length your anatomical loading is completely incorrect and you can never train for the correct timing and dynamics.. (ITS SLOWER if you try the same moves you do with foil blades....its not slower if you KNOW how to move with a heavier blade) you have to move completely differently with a 500gm blade to a 1.5kg blade, you simply cannot escape basic mechanics..
Ive met many over the years (+20yrs) who insist that foil blades are all they need to train with, so maybe you know that its not real but many dont.................. Ive handed traditional dao to foil experts and theyve held it for a few seconds and handed it straight back.. they consistently refuse to show me that they know what to do with it..
The tsuba on my ten ryu full tang katana wobbles side to side a bit, and when I swing it, I feel the tang move a slight bit.
easy fix for you, open the blade and squeeze some eproxy into the gap and there goes a perfect fit with no more wiggles
Thank you. much appreciated
Would crucible steel be better? It can bend and go back to it's original shape and is though at the same time.
Yin Look Tool steel? I doubt you can find swords made in that material unless it's custom made. I have seen swords made in tool steel though, and yes they are tough and strong
The Vikings used crucible steel for their swords, there is a documentary about it.
Yin Look
I have seen that documentary already, but I am just saying, it's very hard to find one these days, unless you buy a custom made sword, and it won't be anywhere near the $300 for sure, LOL Very expensive!
Oh I see.
Why do some sword ring when struck? And others clunk? Have a cold steel smatchet, that rings loudly. But my cold steel gladius machete just clunk, clunk.
+paul ballard some sword have blade that is softer, so they ring or make a sound, doesnt' means anything tho
You are right Chinese swords don not flex like that, but there is only one sword that is supposed to flex like that, it is native to India, it makes no rattle noise (only the spring noise), and is never made of stainless steel. it is called the Urumi it is also known as the whip sword and is very dangerous to everyone around it. needless to say it is not a thrusting weapon. A real one is a prized piece but you should never wield it unless you have decades of experience. go to: Urumi, Flexible sword, Kalarippayattu, Martial art form to see some people use this sword.
can you tell me were you got the swords frim
im making my own sword out of aluminium not a good metal to use but i want to get use to casting swords. its going to be a viking shortsword but i was wodering if an aliminu sword could last a sparring session?
It all depends what i have to work with ive been looking at methods one was melting and then casting the aluminium swords, another idea is a steel sheet that i cut and then sharpen or providing i can make a furnace and melt it in a crucible buuuut it all depends what i have at my disposal ahaha :)
The S Man Just get some steel. You can make those fake cheap swords out of your typical 1045 steel. Or as they like to call it: *high carbon steel* which all steels have carbon or its simply metal... Anyways if you want a cheap sword that can cut several things just get the cheap 1045 steel and make a sword out of it...
Try bronze.
love the videos
Thanks!!
wobble is not practical cause if you stab someone the blade avades...
and you loose all the force you put in the thrust...
eg a rapier was pretty hard hrc wise... so it transfers all the force into the thrust...
and since a rapier was a pure dueling blade... it was not meant to hit against armor...
HRC is a mesure of hardness. Rigidity depends purely on blade geometry, every steel has 99% the same modulus of elasticity. Harder steels spring back up more, but break when they can't bend any more. Softer steel springs back less, but deforms plastically before braking.
Just asking, these tips are for Chinese swords, not really anything like the large sword what I got?
Luke_Diamondking ya, it's just for CHinese swords mostly
Also about the video I'm going to do, I am going to try to get some other swords.
Luke_Diamondking
sure~ get something functional grade! :)
I will. I asked a couple questions on the sword.
Chiinnature what's the difference between a carbon steel sword and a stainless steel sword does carbon steel keep an edge longer than stainless?
Do you have the elucidator from Sao?
Noodle Sword just for souvenir
Sorry but I don't have armors and korean weapons for now. :)
Heybi just bought a katana ffrom a man that gets them from a chinese company that makes them and exports them from vhina this mans name is joseph sleiman he is owner of the gold fever bussines.. he said the sword was damascus steel 48 fold. He called it the red dragon katana.. it was 1000 dlls.. do u know anything about that sword or that man? I would apreciate ur response thankyou
oscarincampos no idea....
Don't do it man. It could be real, but it most likely is not.
Just saying... Red dragon triple set swords cost 50 bucks on trueswords.com. Idk if its the same as your talking about. But sounds like a fake. Best thing to do is check the sword over. Check the tang etc. and you should be able to see if its real or not
oscarincampos should be around 100-300 dollars
oscarincampos I wouldn't buy a "katana" with a generic (Chinese-esque, not even Japanese) name like "the red dragon," and especially not from a company called "gold fever" or for the price of $1000... You can get much more authentic, and higher quality weapons for that price.
you should have included an example of a real Dao. comparing a fake Dao to a real Jian, is like comparing apples and orranges.
Cool! I'll go check it out "xie xie ni"
oh hey about yesterday about the sword traning and stuff so if you see this just respawn something
is 1095 damascus steel good for a katana?
callum greig 1095 can be good but can be crappy. But 1095 is monosteel, if they "damascus" it, meaning they fold it with some other crap, you are better off buying a pure 1095 mono steel blade!
oh ok thank you :)
Thoes bending swords are horrible for combat but great for practicing your forms!
I'll buy them for that!
I'll buy the REAL swords for strength training and actual combat!
Herowebcomics They are bad for forms, because they are too light weight and does not give you a proper training, and your hands are used to those light weight swords then when you handle a real deal you don't even feel the same anymore. Just get a real thing, then dull the edge, there goes a practice sword -- which you can resharpen again later if you like.
Chiinnature thanks for the advice!
My sifu always said the only thing foil swords are good for is wrapping up your left overs after a meal hahaha!
what website can i use to get a good jian (non-flexible)?
My favorite? Cold Steel. Got all 3 of their chiense sword and they are all awesome blades!
Chiinnature
that does not answer my question.
2:55 - 2:57 made my day. XD
P.S: Sorry, but i have to. Can i buy, one Gizmo, from you?
PhysioA huh??
I appologies...was a bad stereotype joke, from the 80s. Don`t you know the film "Gremlins"?
PhysioA
Oh sorry, I don't~
shame.
And even Cold Steel swords are low quality...
what part of
worlds strongest, sharpest knifes you dont understand ?!?!
TWARDY I think the "world" part... Size can be very relative...
+Poodleinacan if you consider the price range (not the retail) it could be pretty accurate
Incorrect, flex is good, just not too much flex. A sword with no flex at all will bend permanently upon being subject to too much force. For example, a traditional katana is differentially hardened and has no flex, if you cut into anything too hard with a katana you'll just ruin the blade. Spring steel will not do this, as it will always flex back as he mentioned. The coldsteel sword he showed has very little flex, as you need a vice to flex it, and is, therefore, harder and sturdier than a typical spring steel sword which is seen in longswords. flex isn't a bad thing. The reason the swords at the start were cheap and bad is that they have no spine and they flex way too far towards the tip, they aren't spring steel, just cheap steel. he mentioned that if you bend it too hard it will stay that way, this is the biggest indicator of the difference between noodle swords and proper spring steel, no matter how hard you hit something with a spring steel sword, it'll flex back into place, after oscillating side to side perpendicular to the blade's orientation, this disperses the force of the impact in order to protect the blade, spring steel swords do not shake to the extent shown in these cheap noodle swords.
Coldsteel swords and spring steel swords are actually high quality swords, there's just been a misunderstanding. As he says in the video, this is the type of flex we are looking for in a good sword.
Remember each type of sword has its uses and applications. :)
Do you have zangetsu
hahaha.. well.. just the LOOK - if you touch it, it is so fake too, haha!
Ooo... dont base what a real sword is from every culture by how Cold Steel does it. They make EVERY sword heavy and tip heavy. I bought an army saber, the blade is the thickness of my index finger, and the thing feels like its 5 pounds because they balance all there swords for slashing, they REALLY dont care about historical accuracy or even finesse.
They truly are entry level beater swords. For the same price you could get something much better. They just have name recognition.
+Herb Toker Cold Steel straight up tells everyone they value durability and reliability over historical accuracy. Shit dude they test thing things by doing PULL UPS with them. The fact of the matter is with modern materials we can make much better quality blades than historically accurate ones, fun fact: things in the past, typically sucked more.
I guess it really doesn't matter that much though when you consider the point of a sword is to cut and kill someone, it doesn't matter how strong the blade is in that situation as long as it can do that job before gong to crap on you.
Side note: My cold steel hand and half sword weighs a little less than three pounds, as far as I can tell that is historically accurate, the balance is a bit far down the blade though.
+drizzitdude No I'm just really unimpressed with the steel they use.
+drizzitdude Well you wouldnt say the same thing if it broke and killed you too. Just because its heavier doesnt mean that its better. Theres a reason to why you want to follow traditions that has been polished to near perfection over one thousand years over having a metal bat that can cut through a donkey but wont do you any good in a real fight.
Theres always a trade off when it comes to close quarter combat using blades (something that is shown in the multitudes of blades out there through the thousands of years). You always want to have a light enough sword to make it usable but strong enough to take a few beatings. Thats why laminated swords were invented as they offered a light sword with a sharp edge that wouldnt shatter (katanas).
And if you look at some of the european swords you will see both light and heavy swords because they had very different uses. If "the heavier the better " was the rule, everyone would have ran around with fucking buster swords!
Hahahahahaa! Well there are some swords that are made of 420 or 440 stainless steel and still wrap a sandwich too, not only foil.. hahaha
Stop destroying my shitty wall >.
+FaT aL haha
Damn Mongolians
ROFL, you made my day! Love that episode!
Hey do you sell thom?
jodie bonner no
I don't understand why those wobbly swords are used so often in movies. It is like the gangsta style of holding a gun. It doesn't even look good.
And they don't do honor for the Chinese sword.
MsDjessa because they are cheap and movie makers want to keep things low budget, and also they look cool on movies with the flashy effects which somehow worked to fool many people to believe swords should be like that.
MsDjessa Also they are light and easy to swing around, making the martial artists look super human.
oh do you do it in videos
no i have stop doing those videos already, basically stopped most martial art videos now because they don't have much views when I do them before. More into other things now, such as flashlights and guns review, and also most crazy things is - the chiense magic! :) ruclips.net/channel/UCYMcTN3A930mbpwNZCPL8gw - this is my new channel with the magic stuff, even more cool than martial arts lol
Need to change the title. Sword blades do in fact wobble the rigid blades are the ones you really need to worry about as they can be easily broken. You're actually showing this in your video just watch a real sword strike an object it will wobble back and forth before regaining it's original shape. I'll agree they shouldn't shake though.
You would be the Michonne of your group. You watch Walking Dead?
BUT I WANT THE SQUSHHHHHHHH
i wish i had a real sword