btw anyone else notice the irony of the verses forbidding asking Allah for forgiveness,for non-Muslims, comes in a verse called Tawbah - meaning "The act of asking Allah for forgiveness & repenting." Rather like "feminist" Muslims proudly proclaim "The Qur'an has a whole chapter dedicated and named "WOMEN" - while it has verses allowing men to hit their "women" and half the inheritance etc...
The quran makes no sense to me... there is no philosophy, little poetry, lack of reasoning, nothing to encourage a man's soul, just the ever present threat of horrendous punishment ... Have you ever wondered why in the quran and bible (and actually in ALL religions) there are endless verse to give charity to the poor ... but i have yet to see a verse that say to humans ".. you humans have the power and resources to eradicate poverty such that every human has food, shelter, clothing and education, untill then you cannot enter heaven ..". All religions need a hierarchy of poverty to make the one at the higher level feel better about themselves... when i read quran it it feels like an abusive inebriated father screaming at his children every few verses: "do you not see", "why do you not undrstand", "is it not obvious We are wise", " you ungrateful reprobrate", "are you too stupid to appreciate My gifts", " did We not punish your ancestors and We will punish you", "why do you dare question Us" and endless "hellfire" ... I am from Pakistan heritage we are not taught the meaning of the quran, but to mindlessly recite it and enter a state of trance ... actually i do not even think the vast majority of mulla who teach this in madrassas throughtout Pakistan understand the arabic end of rant ...
Fantastic rant. Had humanity been divinely commanded to eradicate poverty and exploitation in exchange for Heaven it would have been orders of magnitude more meaningful than to do so in exchange for blind submission to a neurotic entity. The reality is the direct opposite, for the Qur’an actually enshrined poverty as an irrevocable phenomenon: God, Most High, wants resources to be monopolised by a fortunate minority. Why? Believe it or not, it is so that corruption does not spread in the world! 43:33-35 Were it not for the fear that all mankind would become one community [of disbelievers], We would have made for those who disbelieve in the Merciful God houses with roofs of silver and gold, and stairways by which they go to upper chambers, and their doors and their couches on which they recline (all of silver and gold). But all this is merely a provision of this worldly life; and the Hereafter with your Lord is for the righteous.
My Muslim convert friend’s father passed away recently. He was a Catholic all his life. She was so terrified of him going to hell that she basically forced him to say shahadah on his death bed. It’s immoral to force dying people to convert to anything, but that’s exactly what Islam does to converts… in her mind she did it in his best interest and it’s hard to say how honest he was. He might have done it just so that she’s at ease once he passes. It’s terrible to see her pain and her fear for him but also to know that he was in some way forced to conversion.
Hey Ursula! I am sorry to read this. Is your friend Polish too by any chance? Moja matka jest z Polski mieszkająca w Niemczech. Nawróciłam się dla mojego byłego partnera, ale w końcu odszedłam. Musiałam przeprowadzić się z Niemiec do innego kraju, ponieważ mój były chciał mnie zabić.
They don't realise Such God who sends one's own creation to Eternal hell just for mistaking Religion ;; Such God sounds Evil Psychotah not a Mercyful God ..
Really great to see these issues dissected and the perfect duo to do it ❤ - btw this habit of stopping before the end of a verse/hadith/statement as a prompt for others to finish it - reminds me of Shiekh Muhammad Metwalli al-Sha'rawi. He did this ALL the time. I remember watching him on TV at my uncle's house in Cairo in the 70s and this habit really irritated me. He was one of the first superstar media preachers, long before the internet - for those who remember him.
The pause to let another finish the verse is really a subconscious training to the other person to be a parrot and keep them chained. It happens throughout Islamic lifestyle. In prayers, Aaaameeeennn... In sermons when Muhammad was mentioned.. Sallallahu alaihi wasallam.. These are mind tricks.
In my life, I never understood why people support content creators through Patreon, donations, etc. But for some reason, after watching this video and recognizing myself so much throughout it, I really felt the need to become a Patreon supporter. I literally found out about this channel two days ago. I'm so glad that I was suggested this RUclips channel. It feels like you were God sent. I really appreciate what you are doing and sincerely wish you all the best.
@@SecularSpirit Thanks for coming over and educating us. I subbed to your channel, and watched the first two videos of yours with AA, and you have changed, as well AA without his hoodie. I am ex-evangelical it is just another cult, now it is not a church, religion, or Christianity but a "relationship with Jesus", they know how to do the gymnastics. Just keep up!
@@justapointofview7625 Thank you, I really appreciate the sub and glad we connected through the interwebs! I'm doing a chat with Sydney Davis, an ex-Christian, this Saturday, feel free to join the live chat if you'd like :)
Islam is a religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus, We Muslims Believes that Jesus is the Christ, We Muslims Believes that Jesus will Come Again to this World, Jesus did Miracles by the Permission of Allah, Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me” Jesus was Just a Prophet and Messenger Of Allah Only to Guide The People of Israel, ----------------------- *Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️ ----------------------- "My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28] “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17] “Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29] “Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39] “Jesus said, “My teaching is not my own, It comes from the one who has sent me.” [John 7:16] “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30] “The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11] --------------------- *The Coming Of Prophet Muhammad In Bible* --------------------- “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14] --------------------- *Allah Clears About Jesus* --------------------- [Quran:- 5:72]:- “Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." [Quran:- 19:30]:- “Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.” [Quran:- 4:171]:- “Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: --------------------
These are powerful discussions, I feel THESE are the videos I can discuss with Muslims. These are the videos that can really make a big impact on changing minds. To hear someone critique a scholar you’ve listened to for so many years in ways you yourself would never think/allow yourself to critique them, is really a game changer
Poor Allah, he cannot live without worship. He needs your praise like we need oxygen. Imagine burning someone for eternity simply because they didn't believe in you. How weak of the creator of the universe
Really enjoying this video. Not only do you both have a very human approach, as well as a lot of insight, but you also both have Arabic. You are the perfect hosts for this kind of video.
1:11:32 - yes. Similarly, when I was a christian I saw no point in praying for a dead person, since their ultimate fate would have been sealed at the moment of their death. I was mildly surprised to find that catholics do pray for the souls of the deceased. I was a kind of Calvinist, so I didn't really think that praying for the souls of the dead would have any bearing on what the outcome of judgement was for that person.
I find that so interesting. I was only Calvinist in early childhood but later was Methodist at a Catholic school and much of my family was Catholic or Lutheran for generations. Praying for the dead and lighting memorial candles for their souls has been perfectly normal throughout my life. Even without faith I light memorial candles to remember them.
Did that Jewish tribe actually betray mo , or did they just not want to fight against another tribe ? I wonder what the latest count of burned Churches and Christian homes is in pakistan ...
Nice collaboration🙏. I'm still at the question about praying for an unbeliever after they've died, but it reminded me of the dilemma that Palestinians had last year when Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh was sadly killed while reporting on an anti-jihad operation. The Palestinian Muslims wanted to exploit her funeral for propaganda purposes, but Shireen was a Palestinian Christian so that caused a bit of a fight as to what was 'correct' or not.
1:24:38 That’s the thing I don’t think many people realize: religions define the terms for people. What a Muslim thinks is merciful is going to be different from what a Christian thinks is merciful in part because their religious upbringings differ and draw distinct lines in the sand where conflicts can arise. Such structures prevent people from being able to have their own understandings of what is good or justified based from their own natural experiences.
Because his adopted son and his childwife are already fighting over the inheritance at the grave. The big business. Remember the many wars the theft and raids. The old saint always took the biggest share!🤑
At least, as fellow men, you two had the empathy and compassion for non believers who are destined to eternal hell fire, especially talking of/for parents who raised their kids who are believers but parents are not Yet so called 'very merciful" Allah has other ideas, all knowing from the beginning. All Gods are just a charade, including the Christian kind. Well educated, intelligent mankind do a better job for humanity than ever elusive god/s. Keep up your good work.
Because they believe in a *dark* book, which brings darkness, misery to humanity, and no wonder they are joyless. We have the freedom to reason to give mercy, compassion, love and peace to ALL humanity hence our lives are always joyful, living without fear, hate or anger.
The difference between hoping and going public with a prayer is that hoping doesn't upset the apple cart. It's a similar notion that you find in many Muslim majority countries when it comes to sin. Many drink, have extramarital sex, even disbelieve, but they are lowkey permitted to do this as long as it is done behind closed doors, and the public façade of devotion is maintained.
Good work guys. The most important question 'why?' was answered by YQ at 1:13:44. Everyone seems to have missed it. This has been one of my biggest issues with Islam so I was paying close attention. The reason why a ruling is the way it is or why Muslims believe what they do is because that's what the Quran says. Khallaas. YQ says that at 1:13:44
Very interesting video... got a better clarity on the concept of afterlife. Keep collaborating with secular spirit, seems like a cool guy. Keep up the good work buddy
Imam Baqeer is in the same category as Mufti Abu Layth I think. MALM tends to reason in a very similar way. I really like MALM and I watched every q&a session he did when I was the final stages of my islam. For a while he gave me hope that Islam could be redeemed but there were times when I thought 'Mufti if you know these things how are you still a Muslim?' He rejects 'ijma as does Shaykh Akram Nadwi if memory serves. Shaykh Akram rejects tawaatur as well.
Good livestream. I am not a Muslim. In fact, I am one of those hell-bound polytheists. This discussion doesn't give me warm fussies about Islam. You have two fellows trying their best to make the best of a pretty clear hard line. Allah hates nonbelievers, especially polytheists. He's made up his mind and doesn't want to hear a word about it
Interesting; my impression of Bakeer’s view here was that you’re not allowed to hope it in your heart either… Does he actually articulate the ‘lenient’ position at any point?
He doesn't actually articulate the lenient position, but he basically is saying that when he brings up the example of Abraham "hinting" at being allowed to supplicate for his father.
@@SecularSpirit OK I listened back to the whole thing and you're right; he thinks the istighfar prohibition applies only to belligerent kuffar, although I guess his objection to YQ's 'feeling vs verbalization' distinction would work on either side of the argument
The idea that you are “soft” on Islam makes me laugh as whenever I’ve tried to share your videos with Muslims they’d say you were being mocking and otherwise harsh. You just can’t please everyone LOL 😂
(3:144) Muhammad is no more than a Messenger, and Messengers have passed away before him. If that is the case the logical question would be what is Muhammad doing in the shahada ❓
He’s the central cult leader oh sorry I mean the man with ‘great character.’ Not like he had entire verses dedicated to him having unlimited wives, and able to offer herself to him asking for marriage without dowry. (33:50) and notice how the verse says ‘if he’s (Muhammad) interested which consequently led to him harassing a woman who responded ‘can a queen give herself in marriage to an ordinary man’ in a sahih-Hadith (Bukhari) Or verses of Allah conventionally insulting any man who criticises or insulted Muhammad(Surah al-Masad and Surah al-kawthar) ;D
As a guy who goes to Indonesia quite often, a country with over 240M muslims, i can tell you that the imams use that "tactic" - to let their audience finish the sentence for them - all the time when i hear them in the speakers of the mosques they're preaching in. Also those mosque speakers are astonishingly annoying especially when the imams that call for prayer have a horrible voice because it sounds like they're screaming, a lot of the times they have kids on the microphone reading the qur'an or calling for prayer.. f*k me that's horrible, to hear a kid screaming for f*king hours.. 😱.... In the city i have been to, in the region of Banten, they do it all day long... and they start at about 4 - 4 :30 am 🥴.... Is that how the supposed heaven is going to be like for muslims?🤔 Hearing those awful screaming like sounds every day and having to pray every day 5-6-7-8 times day and night for the whole ETERNITY??? 😳 WTF.. what kind of a god is this nonsensical bs...
It will.grow.. Good seed take time to grow, but evil seed as Islamic seed grows faster than healthy plant.... In Muslims channel even the convert it grow by .100000 in less than a week..
Interruption is another way of putting words in other person's (YQ) mouth. As much as they complete the sentences of the opposition most of apologetics use these tactics to justify their claims.
Always wanted to see a supposed moderate debate an extremist muslim, but they never do, because moderate muslim don’t follow the quran and cherry picks the verses they believe. It’s ridiculous, they can’t defend their position so cowardly only debate those who are ignorant or reaffirm their argument. A theological debate of Islam is just two people talking nonsense for two hours, they accept the presupposition it’s true, with no evidence. It’s all built on a fallacy. Apparently it’s sooooo logical, but we can’t accept the disciples eye witness testimonials when they knew Jesus, but have to accept some one God never spoke to and came 600 years later. What stupidity.
My point on 9:113 is, If you cannot know if someone truly dies in a state of disbelief, then why did Allah, the all-knowing, put that verse there? That verse being there in the Quran means(islamically) that it is possible to know if ones dies as a disbeliever, or at least that what is apparent to us about the person is enough reason to not pray.
@@manulajo1803 logically there is only one sane conclusion : If you don't see or hear directly or via someone else that the person took shahada before dying, you shouldn't pray. If the 3rd party giving you the info is lying, then even if you pray there is no sin on you, but on the person who lied.
One of my colleagues was a big fan of Robin Sharma. Once during a discussion about his books he said to me that he was so disappointed to think that Robin Sharma won't make it to Jannah.
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Hope you guys are not mocking Pakistan's people. (Ofc you can mock their government. And the insidious way in which common people get a pro-religion-brainwashing.) A bright Pakistani mind, among others, is youtuber The Desi Neo, who does both urdu and english videos. :-)
Dogmawise, prayer after a non-muslims death defeats Allah's purpose: His worship, and His worship alone. The deceased had their opportunity to worship God. They chose not to. It's not about being a good person, deserving of mercy. They committed the ultimate sin of not believing in Allah. They made their bed and must lie in it. Prayer for the deceased is an affront to Allah, as if His worship is not that important, as if it's not the biggest sin imaginable. As if God's judgement is not just. Thus the iman of the person praying is in question. In a nutshell: it goes against tawheed (pure monotheïsm).
Welcome to the confusing, contradictory world of Islam, Mohamed's words and his world. Even the Islamic scholars could not agree with only a small selection of Islam. I am pretty sure the UK Dawa gang too have their own versions. Yes to know Islam one has to learn Arabic was/is the cry. Of course Allah know/s best, the one and only omnipotent, omniscience. He should have picked English instead as it is the most used, spoken, written language if He ever had known or a vision. Arabic is the 6th, Chinese and Hindi are the 2nd and third. No wonder Daniel Haqiqatjou PhD gives the 'best' narrative of Islam which suite the eternal humanity (as it serves the women best amongst many other ridiculous things). Loved the programme, very thought provoking and educational to the world of Islam. Now we know why we 'all were born Muslims' but decided to become kufir, and I am lucky I did so. Yes eternal hell fire awaits me, as I never knew Arabic.
AP is wrong in his interpretation. Yasir meant by "verbalize" "to say out" hence he keeps touching his lips. When you touch your lips that means physical speech. Not "construction in your mind"
Why this Muslim man has to always use Arabic word that only few understand it , ? Very rude and annoying. + he talks as if he knows something but he is full of himself , and he attacked the Shia bcz they do pray for dead people forgiveness ! 😮
You are doing excellent work and have a unique take on the problematic aspects of Islam. But your subscription and viewership is low. You should collaborate with other ex-Muslim youtubers like AP, Ex-Muslim Sahil to broaden your reach and impact.
There is no such a thing as ex christian, but there is some called ex followers of the church in Christianity... A real christian don't follow any church ad perse.. Jesus said The church is not the building or the establishment but inside you, you are the church, carry it with you at all times, pray for those wh .hate and persecute you
Oh another word salad. Sure it is a cult whatever words / terms you use, with your narrative, I am an ex who had a relationship with the Cult leader Jesus. Yes he created a cult, no religion, no church, no book, and few of MEN wrote few fairy books which became the core of the Book which is called NT. Funny enough we have to read the fairy book to reach to the Cult leader, Jesus.
@@justaperson1769 Jesus cult leader? Yes! But Prove your claim then.. Not only that the cult leaders is the reason you have you calendar today according to his date. The history of the cult leader, divide history, before christ, after christ... It just jealousy you wish to be him, in fact no body will never know about you the way that cult leader is known.. Let me remind you something you don't know, either you accept it or not you are under his influence.. The calendar you use today set according to him The world clock according to him The plus sign in your computer Telefon, ,calculator, all about his cross, The decorations of human rights based of our fairy tale books The constitution of USA 🇺🇸 based on the fairytale books and in most the majority western countries. It is about his teaching and fairy tale book. Either you accept ot not, you are under the cult leader influence. Jesus christ.. That is how much the fairy book and cykt leader have around the world . You are just jealous..but you are under it.. Prove me wrong that the Bible is not the shaper
@@justaperson1769 prove me wrong that the Bible and Jesus christ have nothing to do.with the decoration of humans rights and constitution of western civilization countries.. Prove it..
@@justaperson1769 my cult leader name and power dominate the world, everything is revolved around him Calendar, world clock, world organization constitution decoration, Everything... if you wa t I can count them,you are under him like it or hate it
@@rasol-007 Einstein also said to you that: But, on the other hand, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we, with our modest powers, must feel humble.
Matthew 5:43-48 You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.” But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, pray for those who curse , do good to them,you so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. What a misery! Even prayer you cannot pray ?? Wow I rather be Christian than Muhammadan! Thank God i am out of the sickness
@@brotherben4357 are you asking to if I choose to believe of the love your ennemy and pray for them and love them?? Is that what you are asking? Or you are asking about who wrote it? Are you talking about the message or the messenger ?? And the implication? What is your actual status?
@@brotherben4357 yes I believe and support the verse of ( Matthew 5:43) absolutely Everyone have some who hate him , somehow, if we have to kill all those who hate us our enemies around the world it is will be bloodshed in every corner, by every human beings.. Do you hate someone? Are there someone who hate you and want you deleted??
@@timetoreason181 Unfortunately, many sources are translations. Many of the apostates are unable to read and understand Classical Arabic. I will leave you with one of my favorite verses in the Quran. Chapter (55) sūrat l-raḥmān (The Most Gracious) Is the reward for good [anything] but good?
@@AbdulEssa-kp4vf Wow, the language issue, haven't I heard that before! The 'book' supposed to give ONE meaning to all nations and tribes, but their own scholars can't come to an agreement, as there are 'many holes in the narrative'. The 'all-knowing' missed the point from the outset. No wonder they started killing each other no sooner Mohamed's demise from earth. Edit: In fact "the All Knowing" *forgot* that sooner Arabic will become the world's 6th used / spoken language, below Chinese, Spanish and even Hindi, let alone English which is the MOST used language in humanity and will remain the same for millennia to come. Oh what an irony!
@@timetoreason181 I am not sure where you are getting this information? Sounds like a Christian apologist? Not sure if you are aware all countries are in population decline except the Muslim countries around the world. Have you not seen the waves of migrants from Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan coming to Europe?
@@timetoreason181 You are spot on, well said! The All Knowing is All Un-knowing, or perhaps "Allah knows nothing", what more could I say, probably one more. If the All Un-knowing had picked an educated man from the desert who could *read, write and comprehend properly* rather than an illiterate man (as the legend says) he could have written ONE comprehensive Book for people to understand in one voice, without misinterpretations, misunderstandings and contradictions. There would not be an Uthman to standardize the fictional Book after destroying the originals (in plural) many years after Mo, and there would not have to have Hadiths and Sunna to clear up doubts, contradictions and holes in the Quran and which too were *composed* only nearly 3 *centuries* after Mo's death. And now we have hundreds and hundreds of *scholarly Quranic Arabic tribes and sub-tribes* at each other in public, and much more in private to evade the gazing eyes of non-believers. They are not only at each other vocally but sadly physically too, in this day and age, so much for the religion of peace. Imaging this happening in the yesteryear, there would be brutal wars amongst Muslims, *did so* and are still on in some places on earth, so much for the religion of peace. Allah knows best.
That is choice that each one make after leaving the religion of Islam or Christianity or Judaism so on… Some choose atheism as a path Some use theism,still. There are those who live to believe and other don’t! It is a choice
@@brotherben4357 of course each can choose what convince him to Believe! The question is, does what I believe is the real the truth?? I have to taste it myself! Put it in trial by myself!
@@brotherben4357 who is that giant unicorn are you talking about?? Are to talking about the one who believe that a smal cell transformed itself till human beings?
btw anyone else notice the irony of the verses forbidding asking Allah for forgiveness,for non-Muslims, comes in a verse called Tawbah - meaning "The act of asking Allah for forgiveness & repenting." Rather like "feminist" Muslims proudly proclaim "The Qur'an has a whole chapter dedicated and named "WOMEN" - while it has verses allowing men to hit their "women" and half the inheritance etc...
I didn't notice the irony!
@@ApostateAladdin btw I meant "Surah" not "verse" - but I'm sure you realised that.
The quran makes no sense to me... there is no philosophy, little poetry, lack of reasoning, nothing to encourage a man's soul, just the ever present threat of horrendous punishment ...
Have you ever wondered why in the quran and bible (and actually in ALL religions) there are endless verse to give charity to the poor ... but i have yet to see a verse that say to humans ".. you humans have the power and resources to eradicate poverty such that every human has food, shelter, clothing and education, untill then you cannot enter heaven ..". All religions need a hierarchy of poverty to make the one at the higher level feel better about themselves...
when i read quran it it feels like an abusive inebriated father screaming at his children every few verses: "do you not see", "why do you not undrstand", "is it not obvious We are wise", " you ungrateful reprobrate", "are you too stupid to appreciate My gifts", " did We not punish your ancestors and We will punish you", "why do you dare question Us" and endless "hellfire" ...
I am from Pakistan heritage we are not taught the meaning of the quran, but to mindlessly recite it and enter a state of trance ... actually i do not even think the vast majority of mulla who teach this in madrassas throughtout Pakistan understand the arabic
end of rant ...
@@tariq_sharifyessss!! Your are SO right with that Muslims need poor people so they can feel charitable and collect some extra points from their god
Fantastic rant. Had humanity been divinely commanded to eradicate poverty and exploitation in exchange for Heaven it would have been orders of magnitude more meaningful than to do so in exchange for blind submission to a neurotic entity. The reality is the direct opposite, for the Qur’an actually enshrined poverty as an irrevocable phenomenon:
God, Most High, wants resources to be monopolised by a fortunate minority. Why? Believe it or not, it is so that corruption does not spread in the world!
43:33-35 Were it not for the fear that all mankind would become one community [of disbelievers], We would have made for those who disbelieve in the Merciful God houses with roofs of silver and gold, and stairways by which they go to upper chambers, and their doors and their couches on which they recline (all of silver and gold). But all this is merely a provision of this worldly life; and the Hereafter with your Lord is for the righteous.
My Muslim convert friend’s father passed away recently. He was a Catholic all his life. She was so terrified of him going to hell that she basically forced him to say shahadah on his death bed. It’s immoral to force dying people to convert to anything, but that’s exactly what Islam does to converts… in her mind she did it in his best interest and it’s hard to say how honest he was. He might have done it just so that she’s at ease once he passes. It’s terrible to see her pain and her fear for him but also to know that he was in some way forced to conversion.
So he was buried by Islamic rites?
I know of a similar case. The parent definitely did it to give their daughter peace of mind which is so messed up.
Hey Ursula! I am sorry to read this. Is your friend Polish too by any chance? Moja matka jest z Polski mieszkająca w Niemczech. Nawróciłam się dla mojego byłego partnera, ale w końcu odszedłam. Musiałam przeprowadzić się z Niemiec do innego kraju, ponieważ mój były chciał mnie zabić.
Izlam is a club membership. And god is some mafia boss that owns that club. That's it. That about sums up the entire book.
They don't realise Such God who sends one's own creation to Eternal hell just for mistaking Religion ;; Such God sounds Evil Psychotah not a Mercyful God ..
Really great to see these issues dissected and the perfect duo to do it ❤ - btw this habit of stopping before the end of a verse/hadith/statement as a prompt for others to finish it - reminds me of Shiekh Muhammad Metwalli al-Sha'rawi. He did this ALL the time. I remember watching him on TV at my uncle's house in Cairo in the 70s and this habit really irritated me. He was one of the first superstar media preachers, long before the internet - for those who remember him.
The pause to let another finish the verse is really a subconscious training to the other person to be a parrot and keep them chained. It happens throughout Islamic lifestyle. In prayers, Aaaameeeennn... In sermons when Muhammad was mentioned.. Sallallahu alaihi wasallam.. These are mind tricks.
In my life, I never understood why people support content creators through Patreon, donations, etc. But for some reason, after watching this video and recognizing myself so much throughout it, I really felt the need to become a Patreon supporter. I literally found out about this channel two days ago. I'm so glad that I was suggested this RUclips channel. It feels like you were God sent. I really appreciate what you are doing and sincerely wish you all the best.
That is such a sweet comment. Thank you for writing it ☺️
Getting banned in Pakistan earns you a subscription.
Thank you kindly
@@SecularSpirit Thanks for coming over and educating us. I subbed to your channel, and watched the first two videos of yours with AA, and you have changed, as well AA without his hoodie. I am ex-evangelical it is just another cult, now it is not a church, religion, or Christianity but a "relationship with Jesus", they know how to do the gymnastics. Just keep up!
Pakistan is a failed state anyways ...so 😂
@@justapointofview7625 Thank you, I really appreciate the sub and glad we connected through the interwebs! I'm doing a chat with Sydney Davis, an ex-Christian, this Saturday, feel free to join the live chat if you'd like :)
Islam is a religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus,
We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus,
We Muslims Believes that Jesus is the Christ,
We Muslims Believes that Jesus will Come Again to this World,
Jesus did Miracles by the Permission of Allah,
Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me”
Jesus was Just a Prophet and Messenger Of Allah Only to Guide The People of Israel,
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*Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️
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"My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28]
“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17]
“Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29]
“Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39]
“Jesus said, “My teaching is not my own,
It comes from the one who has sent me.”
[John 7:16]
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30]
“The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11]
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*The Coming Of Prophet Muhammad In Bible*
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“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.”
[John 16:12-14]
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*Allah Clears About Jesus*
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[Quran:- 5:72]:-
“Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."
[Quran:- 19:30]:-
“Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.”
[Quran:- 4:171]:-
“Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah:
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These are powerful discussions, I feel THESE are the videos I can discuss with Muslims. These are the videos that can really make a big impact on changing minds. To hear someone critique a scholar you’ve listened to for so many years in ways you yourself would never think/allow yourself to critique them, is really a game changer
Poor Allah, he cannot live without worship. He needs your praise like we need oxygen. Imagine burning someone for eternity simply because they didn't believe in you. How weak of the creator of the universe
Really enjoying this video. Not only do you both have a very human approach, as well as a lot of insight, but you also both have Arabic. You are the perfect hosts for this kind of video.
Sad I missed it! Watching replay! 💜
1:11:32 - yes. Similarly, when I was a christian I saw no point in praying for a dead person, since their ultimate fate would have been sealed at the moment of their death.
I was mildly surprised to find that catholics do pray for the souls of the deceased. I was a kind of Calvinist, so I didn't really think that praying for the souls of the dead would have any bearing on what the outcome of judgement was for that person.
I find that so interesting. I was only Calvinist in early childhood but later was Methodist at a Catholic school and much of my family was Catholic or Lutheran for generations. Praying for the dead and lighting memorial candles for their souls has been perfectly normal throughout my life. Even without faith I light memorial candles to remember them.
@@tiryaclearsong421 that I do understand. When it's a ritual for us who remember them with fondness, then I can see the point.
So it’s permissible to hope for someone’s well being. How loving.
Did that Jewish tribe actually betray mo , or did they just not want to fight against another tribe ?
I wonder what the latest count of burned Churches and Christian homes is in pakistan ...
Well the thing is, the historical sources we have for the Jewish tribe betrayal are Islamic ones...
Nice collaboration🙏. I'm still at the question about praying for an unbeliever after they've died, but it reminded me of the dilemma that Palestinians had last year when Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh was sadly killed while reporting on an anti-jihad operation. The Palestinian Muslims wanted to exploit her funeral for propaganda purposes, but Shireen was a Palestinian Christian so that caused a bit of a fight as to what was 'correct' or not.
Yes I remember that.
nice work
Yo good stream
I guess Muhammad's parents are also in hell, he couldn't pray them to Jannah.
1:24:38 That’s the thing I don’t think many people realize: religions define the terms for people. What a Muslim thinks is merciful is going to be different from what a Christian thinks is merciful in part because their religious upbringings differ and draw distinct lines in the sand where conflicts can arise.
Such structures prevent people from being able to have their own understandings of what is good or justified based from their own natural experiences.
Because his adopted son and his childwife are already fighting over the inheritance at the grave. The big business. Remember the many wars the theft and raids. The old saint always took the biggest share!🤑
Wow, you guys should be teaching at Al-Azhar!
Wow, sweet Arabien Prince, long time no see ;)
At least, as fellow men, you two had the empathy and compassion for non believers who are destined to eternal hell fire, especially talking of/for parents who raised their kids who are believers but parents are not Yet so called 'very merciful" Allah has other ideas, all knowing from the beginning. All Gods are just a charade, including the Christian kind. Well educated, intelligent mankind do a better job for humanity than ever elusive god/s. Keep up your good work.
I can see why they have those dark circles under their eyes leading such joyless lives
Because they believe in a *dark* book, which brings darkness, misery to humanity, and no wonder they are joyless. We have the freedom to reason to give mercy, compassion, love and peace to ALL humanity hence our lives are always joyful, living without fear, hate or anger.
The difference between hoping and going public with a prayer is that hoping doesn't upset the apple cart. It's a similar notion that you find in many Muslim majority countries when it comes to sin. Many drink, have extramarital sex, even disbelieve, but they are lowkey permitted to do this as long as it is done behind closed doors, and the public façade of devotion is maintained.
Good work guys. The most important question 'why?' was answered by YQ at 1:13:44. Everyone seems to have missed it. This has been one of my biggest issues with Islam so I was paying close attention. The reason why a ruling is the way it is or why Muslims believe what they do is because that's what the Quran says. Khallaas. YQ says that at 1:13:44
Very interesting video... got a better clarity on the concept of afterlife.
Keep collaborating with secular spirit, seems like a cool guy.
Keep up the good work buddy
Thanks for these reaction videos. Very educational!
I miss Hassen Redwan hope he is well. Thx for posting AA
Love this series on dissecting apologetics
Hi there. May I suggest a collaboration with the channel “cults to consciousness?” I believe it would be fabulous
So you can hope things in your heart that are forbidden by Allah ,but Allah knows what is in your heart 😅
Great content as always! The imam who kept cutting Yasir Qadhi off was starting to become unbearable. For the love of Zeus, just let the man speak.
You're a white male hiding behind. Fake account? Got it
Imam Baqeer is in the same category as Mufti Abu Layth I think. MALM tends to reason in a very similar way. I really like MALM and I watched every q&a session he did when I was the final stages of my islam. For a while he gave me hope that Islam could be redeemed but there were times when I thought 'Mufti if you know these things how are you still a Muslim?' He rejects 'ijma as does Shaykh Akram Nadwi if memory serves. Shaykh Akram rejects tawaatur as well.
Good livestream. I am not a Muslim. In fact, I am one of those hell-bound polytheists.
This discussion doesn't give me warm fussies about Islam. You have two fellows trying their best to make the best of a pretty clear hard line.
Allah hates nonbelievers, especially polytheists. He's made up his mind and doesn't want to hear a word about it
Interesting; my impression of Bakeer’s view here was that you’re not allowed to hope it in your heart either… Does he actually articulate the ‘lenient’ position at any point?
He doesn't actually articulate the lenient position, but he basically is saying that when he brings up the example of Abraham "hinting" at being allowed to supplicate for his father.
@@SecularSpirit OK I listened back to the whole thing and you're right; he thinks the istighfar prohibition applies only to belligerent kuffar, although I guess his objection to YQ's 'feeling vs verbalization' distinction would work on either side of the argument
@@misabel8719 Agreed. I feel like there was a lack of clarity in the end there.
Aladdin you perfectly represented/summarized Yasir Qadhi's view at 1:06:02 ✅
The idea that you are “soft” on Islam makes me laugh as whenever I’ve tried to share your videos with Muslims they’d say you were being mocking and otherwise harsh. You just can’t please everyone LOL 😂
It’s just taboo
My Lord! You’re not the same person.
(3:144) Muhammad is no more than a Messenger, and Messengers have passed away before him.
If that is the case the logical question would be what is Muhammad doing in the shahada ❓
He’s the central cult leader oh sorry I mean the man with ‘great character.’
Not like he had entire verses dedicated to him having unlimited wives, and able to offer herself to him asking for marriage without dowry. (33:50) and notice how the verse says ‘if he’s (Muhammad) interested which consequently led to him harassing a woman who responded ‘can a queen give herself in marriage to an ordinary man’ in a sahih-Hadith (Bukhari)
Or verses of Allah conventionally insulting any man who criticises or insulted Muhammad(Surah al-Masad and Surah al-kawthar) ;D
As a guy who goes to Indonesia quite often, a country with over 240M muslims, i can tell you that the imams use that "tactic" - to let their audience finish the sentence for them - all the time when i hear them in the speakers of the mosques they're preaching in.
Also those mosque speakers are astonishingly annoying especially when the imams that call for prayer have a horrible voice because it sounds like they're screaming, a lot of the times they have kids on the microphone reading the qur'an or calling for prayer.. f*k me that's horrible, to hear a kid screaming for f*king hours.. 😱....
In the city i have been to, in the region of Banten, they do it all day long... and they start at about 4 - 4 :30 am 🥴....
Is that how the supposed heaven is going to be like for muslims?🤔 Hearing those awful screaming like sounds every day and having to pray every day 5-6-7-8 times day and night for the whole ETERNITY??? 😳 WTF.. what kind of a god is this nonsensical bs...
truly a cult rituals
nothing but noise pollution
Bangali?
Underrated as fuck
100%
It will.grow..
Good seed take time to grow, but evil seed as Islamic seed grows faster than healthy plant....
In Muslims channel even the convert it grow by .100000 in less than a week..
Imam Bakeer interrupted too many times
Interruption is another way of putting words in other person's (YQ) mouth. As much as they complete the sentences of the opposition most of apologetics use these tactics to justify their claims.
Always wanted to see a supposed moderate debate an extremist muslim, but they never do, because moderate muslim don’t follow the quran and cherry picks the verses they believe. It’s ridiculous, they can’t defend their position so cowardly only debate those who are ignorant or reaffirm their argument.
A theological debate of Islam is just two people talking nonsense for two hours, they accept the presupposition it’s true, with no evidence. It’s all built on a fallacy. Apparently it’s sooooo logical, but we can’t accept the disciples eye witness testimonials when they knew Jesus, but have to accept some one God never spoke to and came 600 years later. What stupidity.
My point on 9:113 is,
If you cannot know if someone truly dies in a state of disbelief, then why did Allah, the all-knowing, put that verse there?
That verse being there in the Quran means(islamically) that it is possible to know if ones dies as a disbeliever, or at least that what is apparent to us about the person is enough reason to not pray.
Very interesting.
Question would be how can we be sure??
And why is it wrong to pray for somebody, especially when they are your love ones??
@@manulajo1803 logically there is only one sane conclusion : If you don't see or hear directly or via someone else that the person took shahada before dying, you shouldn't pray.
If the 3rd party giving you the info is lying, then even if you pray there is no sin on you, but on the person who lied.
@@tradehut2782 so it's a sin to pray for non-believers?
@@manulajo1803 after they are dead yes
@@tradehut2782 are you saying that it is a sin if you pray for dead non-believers, but it is not a sin to pray for non-believers who are alive?
One of my colleagues was a big fan of Robin Sharma. Once during a discussion about his books he said to me that he was so disappointed to think that Robin Sharma won't make it to Jannah.
Are you Atheist?
Very interesting 🤔
Some Muslims beginning to think 🤔 for themselves and get out of the box 📦, I mean cage !
This whole stream is making me dizzy because I keep switching from rooting for the Imam to Yasir back and forth lol.
very good video
That Imam is so annoying, makes Yasir Qadhi look like good company in comparison
you exmuslims who post videos and such keep me sane. So hard to be closeted 😭
so its islamic manner to bear feet?
You could disect Hamza Tzortis next.
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Hope you guys are not mocking Pakistan's people. (Ofc you can mock their government. And the insidious way in which common people get a pro-religion-brainwashing.) A bright Pakistani mind, among others, is youtuber The Desi Neo, who does both urdu and english videos. :-)
Dogmawise, prayer after a non-muslims death defeats Allah's purpose: His worship, and His worship alone. The deceased had their opportunity to worship God. They chose not to. It's not about being a good person, deserving of mercy. They committed the ultimate sin of not believing in Allah. They made their bed and must lie in it. Prayer for the deceased is an affront to Allah, as if His worship is not that important, as if it's not the biggest sin imaginable. As if God's judgement is not just. Thus the iman of the person praying is in question. In a nutshell: it goes against tawheed (pure monotheïsm).
孔子东游，见两小儿辩斗，问其故。(辩斗 一作：辩日)
一儿曰：“我以日始出时去人近，而日中时远也。”
一儿曰：“我以日初出远，而日中时近也。”
一儿曰：“日初出大如车盖，及日中则如盘盂，此不为远者小而近者大乎？”
一儿曰：“日初出沧沧凉凉，及其日中如探汤，此不为近者热而远者凉乎？”
孔子不能决也。
两小儿笑曰：“孰为汝多知乎？”
👏🙂
Welcome to the confusing, contradictory world of Islam, Mohamed's words and his world. Even the Islamic scholars could not agree with only a small selection of Islam. I am pretty sure the UK Dawa gang too have their own versions. Yes to know Islam one has to learn Arabic was/is the cry. Of course Allah know/s best, the one and only omnipotent, omniscience. He should have picked English instead as it is the most used, spoken, written language if He ever had known or a vision. Arabic is the 6th, Chinese and Hindi are the 2nd and third. No wonder Daniel Haqiqatjou PhD gives the 'best' narrative of Islam which suite the eternal humanity (as it serves the women best amongst many other ridiculous things). Loved the programme, very thought provoking and educational to the world of Islam. Now we know why we 'all were born Muslims' but decided to become kufir, and I am lucky I did so. Yes eternal hell fire awaits me, as I never knew Arabic.
Can you uploading a wife is equal to husband in islam
@@rasol-007 no. Only husband beat to wife
Bible Jesus: Forgive Them Father For They Don't know what they are doing. Something like that.
AP is wrong in his interpretation. Yasir meant by "verbalize" "to say out" hence he keeps touching his lips.
When you touch your lips that means physical speech. Not "construction in your mind"
Why this Muslim man has to always use Arabic word that only few understand it , ?
Very rude and annoying.
+ he talks as if he knows something but he is full of himself , and he attacked the Shia bcz they do pray for dead people forgiveness ! 😮
Watched all of it 1:46:56
You are doing excellent work and have a unique take on the problematic aspects of Islam. But your subscription and viewership is low. You should collaborate with other ex-Muslim youtubers like AP, Ex-Muslim Sahil to broaden your reach and impact.
I think he already made a video about it. He didn't look for fame or viewership. He just want the truth to be out, nothing more or less.
Bcz God is selfish .
just like people .
😂
I always like before even watching . I will subscribe to the host channel immediately! Thanks
Thanks Aladdin!
Muhammad is allah
There is no such a thing as ex christian, but there is some called ex followers of the church in Christianity...
A real christian don't follow any church ad perse.. Jesus said
The church is not the building or the establishment but inside you, you are the church, carry it with you at all times, pray for those wh .hate and persecute you
Oh another word salad. Sure it is a cult whatever words / terms you use, with your narrative, I am an ex who had a relationship with the Cult leader Jesus. Yes he created a cult, no religion, no church, no book, and few of MEN wrote few fairy books which became the core of the Book which is called NT. Funny enough we have to read the fairy book to reach to the Cult leader, Jesus.
@@justaperson1769 Jesus cult leader? Yes! But Prove your claim then..
Not only that the cult leaders is the reason you have you calendar today according to his date.
The history of the cult leader, divide history, before christ, after christ...
It just jealousy you wish to be him, in fact no body will never know about you the way that cult leader is known..
Let me remind you something you don't know, either you accept it or not you are under his influence..
The calendar you use today set according to him
The world clock according to him
The plus sign in your computer Telefon, ,calculator, all about his cross,
The decorations of human rights based of our fairy tale books
The constitution of USA 🇺🇸 based on the fairytale books and in most the majority western countries. It is about his teaching and fairy tale book. Either you accept ot not, you are under the cult leader influence. Jesus christ..
That is how much the fairy book and cykt leader have around the world .
You are just jealous..but you are under it..
Prove me wrong that the Bible is not the shaper
@@justaperson1769 prove me wrong that the Bible and Jesus christ have nothing to do.with the decoration of humans rights and constitution of western civilization countries..
Prove it..
@@justaperson1769 my cult leader name and power dominate the world, everything is revolved around him
Calendar, world clock, world organization constitution decoration,
Everything... if you wa t I can count them,you are under him like it or hate it
@@rasol-007 Einstein also said to you that:
But, on the other hand, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we, with our modest powers, must feel humble.
Matthew 5:43-48
You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.” But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, pray for those who curse , do good to them,you so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.
What a misery!
Even prayer you cannot pray ??
Wow
I rather be Christian than Muhammadan!
Thank God i am out of the sickness
Who wrote Matthew?
@@brotherben4357 Muhammad!
@@cocoalfaridah5831 Interesting. You choose to believe that, no?
@@brotherben4357 are you asking to if I choose to believe of the love your ennemy and pray for them and love them??
Is that what you are asking?
Or you are asking about who wrote it?
Are you talking about the message or the messenger ?? And the implication?
What is your actual status?
@@brotherben4357 yes I believe and support the verse of
( Matthew 5:43) absolutely
Everyone have some who hate him , somehow, if we have to kill all those who hate us our enemies around the world it is will be bloodshed in every corner, by every human beings..
Do you hate someone?
Are there someone who hate you and want you deleted??
I am always amused by an apostate obsession with Islam. Even more when discussing matters of faith. 😂😂 The irony is lost on them.
Thanks for the apostates we are much educated now as they use the sources of the authoritative apologists.
@@timetoreason181 Unfortunately, many sources are translations. Many of the apostates are unable to read and understand Classical Arabic.
I will leave you with one of my favorite verses in the Quran.
Chapter (55) sūrat l-raḥmān (The Most Gracious)
Is the reward for good [anything] but good?
@@AbdulEssa-kp4vf Wow, the language issue, haven't I heard that before! The 'book' supposed to give ONE meaning to all nations and tribes, but their own scholars can't come to an agreement, as there are 'many holes in the narrative'. The 'all-knowing' missed the point from the outset. No wonder they started killing each other no sooner Mohamed's demise from earth.
Edit: In fact "the All Knowing" *forgot* that sooner Arabic will become the world's 6th used / spoken language, below Chinese, Spanish and even Hindi, let alone English which is the MOST used language in humanity and will remain the same for millennia to come. Oh what an irony!
@@timetoreason181 I am not sure where you are getting this information? Sounds like a Christian apologist?
Not sure if you are aware all countries are in population decline except the Muslim countries around the world. Have you not seen the waves of migrants from Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan coming to Europe?
@@timetoreason181
You are spot on, well said! The All Knowing is All Un-knowing, or perhaps "Allah knows nothing", what more could I say, probably one more. If the All Un-knowing had picked an educated man from the desert who could *read, write and comprehend properly* rather than an illiterate man (as the legend says) he could have written ONE comprehensive Book for people to understand in one voice, without misinterpretations, misunderstandings and contradictions. There would not be an Uthman to standardize the fictional Book after destroying the originals (in plural) many years after Mo, and there would not have to have Hadiths and Sunna to clear up doubts, contradictions and holes in the Quran and which too were *composed* only nearly 3 *centuries* after Mo's death. And now we have hundreds and hundreds of *scholarly Quranic Arabic tribes and sub-tribes* at each other in public, and much more in private to evade the gazing eyes of non-believers. They are not only at each other vocally but sadly physically too, in this day and age, so much for the religion of peace. Imaging this happening in the yesteryear, there would be brutal wars amongst Muslims, *did so* and are still on in some places on earth, so much for the religion of peace. Allah knows best.
That is choice that each one make after leaving the religion of Islam or Christianity or Judaism so on…
Some choose atheism as a path
Some use theism,still.
There are those who live to believe and other don’t!
It is a choice
Can we really choose what convinces us to believe?
Can you choose to believe that a giant unicorn pooped out the cosmos?
@@brotherben4357 possibly!
@@brotherben4357 of course each can choose what convince him to
Believe!
The question is, does what I believe is the real the truth??
I have to taste it myself!
Put it in trial by myself!
@@cocoalfaridah5831 Okay. Try it. From now, you believe that a giant unicorn pooped out the entire cosmos, right?
@@brotherben4357 who is that giant unicorn are you talking about??
Are to talking about the one who believe that a smal cell transformed itself till human beings?
Thanks for translating an Indian
Dr. Yasir Qadhi admitting horrible facts!
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