This is the HMS (His Majesty's Ship) Queen Mary. A battle cruiser. The Queen Mary in Long Beach is the RMS (Royal Mail Asia) Queen Mary. A commercial liner.
Bubba, RMS stands for Royal Mail Ship...although to some it stands for Royal Mail Steamer, but I prefer the first version. Steamers don't really exist anymore.
Having cracked the German naval codes was a double edged sword, as soon as the Admiralty started disseminating that information to its commanders in any appreciable way the Germens been pretty quick to catch on. The trick was to use the information so sparingly as to almost negate having it.
Such a bloody shame. Limited images of QM, and well established facts rehashed as new and revealing information, topped off by an actor playing Jellicoe wearing a captains uniform with four single stripes. BTW for the producers... when you are referring to a ship that has been lost in the past tense, it is 'sank' and not 'sunk'. The ship is sinking, the ship has sunk and the ship sank at X time or at Y coordinates.
I think it's such a shame that these ships were sinked.... Nobody wants to be aboard a ship while it's sanking. 😉 I liked how they talked about specific ships while airing stock footage of ships that had absolutely nothing to do with this battle. Like when they showed footage of the Austro-Hungarian battleship Svent Istvan sinking, after being torpedoed by a tiny Italian torpedo boat.
What do you expect from "modern day" documentaries....We can be happy they still follow the attention span of people who need an advertisement every 15 minutes instead of those of generation TikTok
Thanks for sharing this, kind of annoying that it keeps clumsily trying to make the reason for splitting a bit mystery when I'm pretty sure all of us figured it out the second they saw a cross-section of the midships gun turret after saying it blew up midships and split. There's literally no other explanation but there was some fascinating detail around it. I'm surprised it's only 60m out there, when I saw rebreathers I was thinking 100m plus. Cool.
Remember one of the residents of Jutland stated “after the Battle of Jutland the eels ran well” (for two years). The number men lost was about 8,600+ for both sides with the English suffering over 6,500+ more than half the deaths came from the three sunk English battle cruisers. I wondered what happened in 1945 with the German evacuation of the Baltic States and the sinking of many of German ships carrying tens of thousands of civilian refugees and combatants sunk by Soviet submarines.
I visited the Queen Mary ocean liner docked in Longbeach California.., and listening to this chopped up line of documentation ,and saying to myself ,this makes absolutely no sense at all ..???????
You're not serious, are you...?🥸 Remember: Google is your friend!🤠😁 Admiral Sir David Beatty would have let you clean the deck of the "H.M.S. Queen Elizabeth", and this deck is large!😁😉
I've watched a different video that shows that the cordite was stored at the bottom and the shells directly above. Now, this video claims that the shells were at the bottom. Which way is it? Also not mentioned is that the British ships ignored or disabled several safety features (removing doors to cordite storage, for example) that would have prevented an explosion in the turret from reaching the cordite. All this because Beatty wsnted the fastest rate of firing the guns.
Yes The cordit was what exploded it is or was unstable, not the shells. Have you seen the 13.5 inch Laying everywhere? The propellent was the killer. 4 inchs of armor should not have stop a 11 inch German shell. And nether would a 13.5 inch be stop by 11 inchs of German armor.
Shell below cordite it was changed on later designs after Hood. They had too much cordite outside the magazine in the handing room. This is a crap video by the way. Rate of fire is governed by the mechanical systems not doors open or closed or having too much cordite exposed. The divers aren't allowed into war graves so they saw only the exterior.
German vessels used a double hatch lid counter positioned in the shell elevators.The British used a single hatch and a blast could force the door open.
🚫 No, that's not what they said. They took 41 mins to tell you that the ships catastrophically exploded because Beatty ordered basic shell handling safety protocols to be ignored, leaving blast doors wide open, in order to speed up the gun loading process. That led to the ships being sunk when German shells exploded and blast waves were easily able to travel through the open blast doors and into the ammunition magazines, causing catastrophic explosions that blasted the ships in half.
Firstly the Battlecruiser was lightly armoured but well armed ship intended to chase down Cruisers and not intended for major battles. But the Battlecruiser Squadron was very poorly led by Admiral Beatty, one of the worst Royal Navy commanders ever. Not only was his training poor and dangerous powder handling was encouraged. Beatty's Signals Officer, Seymour, made many errors exposing ships to concentrated German fire. All the major ships lost were Beatty's, Admiral Jellicoe, fleet commander did not loose a single ship under his command!
We know why,and how the battlecruisers exploded in two, central hits on Q turrets resulting in flash fires going through open hatches to powder magazines.... The forensic cause for this show is just an excuse to get permission to dive on the wrecks. Theres simply no other reason....personally, id have rather seen a report on condition due to corrosion after all this time, deterioration, and identifyable parts, or documentation on the damage visible today. We know what happened already. We dont need history made cheesy....
Accutually, mental scrap pirots from that area have been stealing the metal from all the ships for years. I saw a timeline special on it. some of our greatest ships have disappeared .
This kind of shit is why I hate watching the History Channel: instead of telling a story and giving facts, they put in padding, drama, and watered-down misleading information.
There’s a film I found that shows what MIGHT have happened to the Queen Mary. I KNOW it’s from the next war, but it’s representative of one possible scenario…. ruclips.net/video/PmTZ-R4QM1E/видео.htmlsi=0lGpPBbB7XVRTt1m
Do a Google search before you post that stuff, because _yes, the BATTLECRUISER_ HMS Queen Mary was sunk during the battle of Jutland. It's common for navies to name new ships after old ones that are out of service.
Well, in principle your statement is correct.🤣😂😅 The "H.M.S. Queen Mary" (Lion class battlecruiser, 1913) did not simply "sink". She first "EXPLODED" and then sank...!🤔🧐
@@harrylor66 ⚓Yes, but it's time that the public were finally told the truth about _HOW_ they exploded. It was the early 40's, and I'd been tapped to become the first navy seal. After a few hours of intense training, I swam to Jutland. Once there, I covertly boarded each of the 3 British battle cruisers and tossed a satchel charge with a 45sec timer into each ship's powder and shell magazine, and then I got the hell outta Dodge! As each ship was catastrophically exploding, I was busy swimming to the next ship to blow it up! I got 3 of them that day, but I insisted that they not give me credit for it. My extreme humbleness precludes me from taking credit for my bada$$ exploits & being showered with the praise and adoration I deserve...... 🙃
Sooo Looking Forward To Seeing Beautiful Talented Oompa-Riki On Stage Perform This In Edinburgh and Broadway!!!!!!!🩷🩷🩷👩🦳👩🦳👩🦳✍️✍️🎼🎼🎤🎤🎸🎸👩🦳👩🦳👩🦳🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷
This is the HMS (His Majesty's Ship) Queen Mary. A battle cruiser. The Queen Mary in Long Beach is the RMS (Royal Mail Asia) Queen Mary. A commercial liner.
Thank you - good info .
Bubba, RMS stands for Royal Mail Ship...although to some it stands for Royal Mail Steamer, but I prefer the first version. Steamers don't really exist anymore.
One is a british WW1 british battlecruiser sunk during the battle of Jutland, and the other is a british ocean liner.
Having cracked the German naval codes was a double edged sword, as soon as the Admiralty started disseminating that information to its commanders in any appreciable way the Germens been pretty quick to catch on. The trick was to use the information so sparingly as to almost negate having it.
Such a bloody shame. Limited images of QM, and well established facts rehashed as new and revealing information, topped off by an actor playing Jellicoe wearing a captains uniform with four single stripes. BTW for the producers... when you are referring to a ship that has been lost in the past tense, it is 'sank' and not 'sunk'. The ship is sinking, the ship has sunk and the ship sank at X time or at Y coordinates.
I think it's such a shame that these ships were sinked.... Nobody wants to be aboard a ship while it's sanking. 😉
I liked how they talked about specific ships while airing stock footage of ships that had absolutely nothing to do with this battle. Like when they showed footage of the Austro-Hungarian battleship Svent Istvan sinking, after being torpedoed by a tiny Italian torpedo boat.
Right fellas - unfortunately , not very well produced video . A shame actually .
What do you expect from "modern day" documentaries....We can be happy they still follow the attention span of people who need an advertisement every 15 minutes instead of those of generation TikTok
Thanks for sharing this, kind of annoying that it keeps clumsily trying to make the reason for splitting a bit mystery when I'm pretty sure all of us figured it out the second they saw a cross-section of the midships gun turret after saying it blew up midships and split. There's literally no other explanation but there was some fascinating detail around it. I'm surprised it's only 60m out there, when I saw rebreathers I was thinking 100m plus. Cool.
Remember one of the residents of Jutland stated “after the Battle of Jutland the eels ran well” (for two years). The number men lost was about 8,600+ for both sides with the English suffering over 6,500+ more than half the deaths came from the three sunk English battle cruisers. I wondered what happened in 1945 with the German evacuation of the Baltic States and the sinking of many of German ships carrying tens of thousands of civilian refugees and combatants sunk by Soviet submarines.
How much of the destruction on the wrecks was caused by post war salvagers?
missing propellers are usually the doings of salvagers.
I visited the Queen Mary ocean liner docked in Longbeach California.., and listening to this chopped up line of documentation ,and saying to myself ,this makes absolutely no sense at all ..???????
This is about HMS Queen Mary. The ship you visited is the RMS Queen Mary.
You're not serious, are you...?🥸
Remember: Google is your friend!🤠😁
Admiral Sir David Beatty would have let you clean the deck of the "H.M.S. Queen Elizabeth",
and this deck is large!😁😉
Interessante
I've watched a different video that shows that the cordite was stored at the bottom and the shells directly above. Now, this video claims that the shells were at the bottom. Which way is it?
Also not mentioned is that the British ships ignored or disabled several safety features (removing doors to cordite storage, for example) that would have prevented an explosion in the turret from reaching the cordite. All this because Beatty wsnted the fastest rate of firing the guns.
Yes The cordit was what exploded it is or was unstable, not the shells.
Have you seen the 13.5 inch
Laying everywhere?
The propellent was the killer.
4 inchs of armor should not have stop a 11 inch German shell.
And nether would a 13.5 inch be stop by 11 inchs of German armor.
Shell below cordite it was changed on later designs after Hood.
They had too much cordite outside the magazine in the handing room.
This is a crap video by the way.
Rate of fire is governed by the mechanical systems not doors open or closed or having too much cordite exposed.
The divers aren't allowed into war graves so they saw only the exterior.
..same reason the Bismarck sank the Hood..
I like the historical information. But so many of these podcasts just repeat the same information too much. It could be 2/3 as long. Just a thought.
German vessels used a double hatch lid counter positioned in the shell elevators.The British used a single hatch and a blast could force the door open.
hmm you are going to take 41 minutes to tell me the british ships were junk? It took me 27 seconds to write this comment.
🚫 No, that's not what they said. They took 41 mins to tell you that the ships catastrophically exploded because Beatty ordered basic shell handling safety protocols to be ignored, leaving blast doors wide open, in order to speed up the gun loading process. That led to the ships being sunk when German shells exploded and blast waves were easily able to travel through the open blast doors and into the ammunition magazines, causing catastrophic explosions that blasted the ships in half.
@@HighlanderNorth1no beatty did not order any such thing.
Jesus H , they know how to drag out a show
I've watched a few documentaries about the battle of Jutland. I do not recall the HMS Queen Mary as being one of the vessels lost in that battle.
Well, perhaps you should have
read a good book about the "Battle of Jutland" instead of watching bad and cheap documentaries?🤔🤣
@@harrylor66 Or stop putting documentaries on to help me get to sleep.
Nothing new old history. They knew a lot of years ago
Sir John Fischer did not design the battle cruisers to fight as they were here.
The British won at Jutland and maintained control of the seas.
The germans adhered to the rules?
Seydlitz had exactly the same turret fire as at Dogger Bank.
Firstly the Battlecruiser was lightly armoured but well armed ship intended to chase down Cruisers and not intended for major battles. But the Battlecruiser Squadron was very poorly led by Admiral Beatty, one of the worst Royal Navy commanders ever. Not only was his training poor and dangerous powder handling was encouraged. Beatty's Signals Officer, Seymour, made many errors exposing ships to concentrated German fire. All the major ships lost were Beatty's, Admiral Jellicoe, fleet commander did not loose a single ship under his command!
Not really correct.
Not the rapid rate of fire bollocks again.
We know why,and how the battlecruisers exploded in two, central hits on Q turrets resulting in flash fires going through open hatches to powder magazines....
The forensic cause for this show is just an excuse to get permission to dive on the wrecks. Theres simply no other reason....personally, id have rather seen a report on condition due to corrosion after all this time, deterioration, and identifyable parts, or documentation on the damage visible today. We know what happened already. We dont need history made cheesy....
Accutually, mental scrap pirots from that area have been stealing the metal from all the ships for years. I saw a timeline special on it. some of our greatest ships have disappeared .
I've always heard the battle of Jutland was a draw. Not a British defeat.
British victory really
This kind of shit is why I hate watching the History Channel: instead of telling a story and giving facts, they put in padding, drama, and watered-down misleading information.
There’s a film I found that shows what MIGHT have happened to the Queen Mary. I KNOW it’s from the next war, but it’s representative of one possible scenario….
ruclips.net/video/PmTZ-R4QM1E/видео.htmlsi=0lGpPBbB7XVRTt1m
So there is a queen mary sunk in the ocean, but there is a haunted queen Mary floating at a dock that you can visit? What am I missing
This is the HMS Queen Mary. The one in Long Bechbis the RMS Queen Mary. Big difference.
Umm the queen Mary has not sunk get your facts straight
Do a Google search before you post that stuff, because _yes, the BATTLECRUISER_ HMS Queen Mary was sunk during the battle of Jutland. It's common for navies to name new ships after old ones that are out of service.
Battlecruiser HMS QUEEN MARY. Check your history.
Lol - HMS Queen Mary is most definitely at the bottom of the sea. RMS Queen Mary is safely docked as a museum ship. Get YOUR facts straight.
Well, in principle your statement is correct.🤣😂😅
The "H.M.S. Queen Mary" (Lion class
battlecruiser, 1913) did not simply "sink". She first "EXPLODED" and then sank...!🤔🧐
@@harrylor66
⚓Yes, but it's time that the public were finally told the truth about _HOW_ they exploded. It was the early 40's, and I'd been tapped to become the first navy seal. After a few hours of intense training, I swam to Jutland.
Once there, I covertly boarded each of the 3 British battle cruisers and tossed a satchel charge with a 45sec timer into each ship's powder and shell magazine, and then I got the hell outta Dodge!
As each ship was catastrophically exploding, I was busy swimming to the next ship to blow it up! I got 3 of them that day, but I insisted that they not give me credit for it. My extreme humbleness precludes me from taking credit for my bada$$ exploits & being showered with the praise and adoration I deserve...... 🙃
Sooo Looking Forward To Seeing Beautiful Talented Oompa-Riki On Stage Perform This In Edinburgh and Broadway!!!!!!!🩷🩷🩷👩🦳👩🦳👩🦳✍️✍️🎼🎼🎤🎤🎸🎸👩🦳👩🦳👩🦳🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷