The TTS 150 and Fueling 465 were by far the best dyno runs in this test from what I see. Both cams had little to no dip in the torque curve. Nothing but smooth and rising power. I presume results with vary slightly with a 2-1 exhaust compared the the 2-2 you used in the test.
What a fantastic video, Dave with so much helpful data. Thanks for all your work to put this together, looking forward to having you do your magic on my bike!!
This is probably the most comprehensive cam shootout video I've ever seen. Only thing that would have made it better for me personally is if it was a 117 with a 2 to 1 exhaust because that's what I have on my bike. I think this really sealed the deal for me on the cr483. It really is a performer. Thanks Dave for all the hard work.
So I ran an S&S 475 until a barn fire smoked all my toys last year. I installed a CR 483 in my new ride a month ago. I said it rips like the 475 and feels like a tractor compared to the 475. This just proves it seeing that curve.
@@59poppNyou'd probably prefer the CR485. I really wish it would've been included in this video. It's got REALLY close to the same bottom end of the CR483, matches it in the mid-range, but carries it out to the higher end a lot better. It's easily the best overall cam out there in my opinion
Great video , based on the number of road glides in the shop I'd say it's a massive success. We old twin cam guys get kicked to the curb but still very entertaining 😅. Thank you for taking the time to explain everything and sharing the content !
David, I for one have really enjoyed this cam shoot out. I appreciate your hard work on our behalf. I hope Golden Rod has not sustained too much long term damage. Thanks.
Dave, this is one of the most informative videos on stage two upgrades with a cam that is out there if you don’t know what cam you want after watching these videos then you will never know .. thanks so much for your knowledge your time and sharing these videos with us looking forward to more in the future
Thinking the same.Had a 475 in my m8 fat bob.Sounded great but was super soft going from closed throttle to on.Didnt like that or the fact it wanted to carry a gear lower than stock
Can't say enough. Thanks for the great content, Dave! For a guy who loves riding but was so lacking knowledge on what upgrades or why on my bike, this whole series has been educational. I'm really looking forward to mid April, and having you upgrade my bike.
Hey, Glad to hear it! Our intent was to put out videos to inform the wider Harley Community while maintaining a fair and balanced testing environment. Thanks for the watch!
Dave Thank you for your service, support and knowledge that you have provided to our motorcade community- your dedication paid off for the knowledge to be use for many years to come ❤❤❤❤. Golden Rod thank you as well for all that beating you have endured 😮😊😢😅😂
I’m such a novice at this, but after watching this video, I feel like I can wash and wax my bike all in one day! 😂 In all seriousness, this is one of the best videos I’ve seen to date by far!! Thanks for the tutorial
Dave - you rock; Awesome video series. Extremely informative with precise details. I could go on and on, but will summarize; imo "Epic"! Would be awesome to throw a big bore kit on Golden Rod, keeping the 4.500" stock stroke (most popular M8 stroke). The 114/117-to-128, 114/117-to-130 (T-Man), and the HD SE 114/117-to-131 kits have been around for awhile, so any of these would work. With the recently released S&S 132 (4.320" bore x 4.500" stroke), and S&S 136 (4.320" bore x 4.625" stroke) kits, personally I'd like to see a 132 build (stock heads, SE 64mm Intake & TB, 5.5 injectors). Few cams that would be very interesting to test: S&S 550 cam (my take: like a S&S 475 cam but with more lift); S&S 540 torque cam; S&S 590 power cam; Andrews M554; Star Racing 3/4 Race Cam (585 lift), and others. Then, up the ante by doing "head work" and perhaps also testing Star Racing two full race cams (615 cam & 627 cam), along with perhaps few others. Crane cams for M8??? Building my '23 Road Glide ST presently. Going from stock 117, 10.2:1 cr to a 132 using S&S 132 cylinders (4.32" bore) w/forged 11:1 pistons; S&S M8 case with Darkhorse blueprinted bottom end & flywheels (Carillo rods naturally).; full S&S Top End kit (roller rocker arms, etc.). Plan to have Branch 'O Keefe do some work to the heads, and plan to run the S&S 550 or Andrews M554 cam (undecided right now). Other upgrades include the S&S piston jets, HD fan added to the OE oil cooler plus already have the secondary engine oil cooler on my Road Glide now (Ultracool twin fan cooler, & their oil filter, tucked in between the CVO lower side fairing, etc. Running the Trask M8 checkvent to ventilate the bottom end. I use DynoJet Powervision PV3B for tuning with 18mm wideband O2's. Cu rrent exhaust system is the S&S full length 2-1 Sidewinder "race version" with db reducer installed. Keep'em coming; excellent info & videos. Thank you! TM, P&A Rep., out west.
Best cam comparaison video I’ve watched. I can’t believe you went through all of this work but much appreciated. Thought it would help me pick my cam for my street bob 114 but it didn’t lol . Vance and Hines 2-1 up swept comp series with packing removed. Debating between star racing 3030 and cyclorama 483 😕
I appreciate your videos ! I want to ride my 22 m8 114 street glide up to ya n do some magic to it. Cam, lifters tbi , intake manifold etc. I will call ya late April. Keep the videos a coming !
Cool to see how close these cams are. I have the same setup, 114 khrome werks exhaust, arlen ness breather with a power vision tune. No cam upgrade as of yet. Im a two up touring rider so this helped to narrow it down 😮
Dave, love this, thank you, im sure your getting a million questions, Ill add a couple more😂, Im no racer nor do I claim to be able to read all those graphs, but to me the low range cams seem more smooth as you throttle up and not a huge difference compared to mid range cams, but the mid range cams seem to dip pretty good at low rpm, I wished you would’ve done one more cam the S&S 465, I have the 107 softail, I was thinking the woods 22XE but didn’t like that dip at low RPMs, now thinking back to the 465 I want just a little more but want smooth, watch think my friend, or any suggestions to consider. Thank you.
I did not see where you tested the Chris Rivas Rocket 464 cam? Out of all the cams you tested i would go with the Andrews 485, with a Khrome Werks 2 into 1 exhaust. Thanks again for this great video.
this is EXACTLY what i was looking for and it looks like the star 30/30 is my ideal cam. great bottom to mid punch pretty average mid range and both hp and tq numbers are healthy with a great power band. Looks like a great all around cam! Thank you for this and its probably what I am going to be throwing in my 23 SG ST over this coming winter with a power vision. What would be the suggested cam kit to use? I am very very new to Harely so what would you suggest going with a Star 30/30 in a 2023 streetglide ST 117?
And when that shim shatters you will wish you replaced it everytime . Because I know we love it when you gearade it. And the pieces go bounding all around in that crank case cam gear .
David, first greatly appreciate the details and explanations! extremely insightful! Now, my question, since your pump gas-timing comment on the RS468 (which was my original pick) now has me thinking either the Feuling 465 or RS472 ( I like the RS472 curve over the WM8-22Xe) which would you recommend for 107ci M8, factory header, Mk45
Amazing video. Thankyou Dave. From Alberta Canada. Glad I went with the S&S 475. 2 years now trouble free. Easy on the valve train. Some people say it’s outdated but it’s still one of your favourite cams. For what reason is it one of your go to cams? Reliability perhaps mixed with all around good performance?
Awesome work. Very thorough. Not complaining, but why does no one talk about Comp’s M8 cams? I’ve seen one comparison video that mentioned one version, but that’s it.
Very in depth thank you from a twin cam 103 FLHR guy. Chose the Star racing 577 bolt in with VH power duals and Tab 4.5 Zombies S&S lifters johnson bros. adj pushrods stock throttle body pump and plate. My first phase !! build and it runs great but honestly too load for long haul. next id love to send out the heads for upgrades and go with Fueling OE pump/plate setup and HPI moderate upgrade. AND I did go with the ThunderMax and glad I did great support. I measured runout at max 3.5 and my cylinders now read 200 psi. Does that sound right or is my procedure off? Any ways again thanks for the effort and the knowledge shared that you put into this video.
Wow lots of information here, hard to make sense of it all… so I’ll ask a (stupid) question perhaps, I have a 2022 street Glide st that I plan to put rinehart 4.5” slimline duals from headers back onto it along with the Harley tuner which will be done by my dealership cause I’m not good at that kind of stuff, because they have copper accents that go with my bike and will be a little better sounding than stock I think and my question is what cams do you think would work well with this without having to do lifters and oil sump pumps and such to get better performance in the 3000 to 4000 rpm range or so that seems to be the place I use most at the moment…sorry for the lengthy question but would appreciate your input on best options for me…thnx in advance for your opinion..oh I have subscribed to your channel 👍🏼
I have a 2018 M8 117 in my CVO RG, looking at the Star 30/30 cam for it..........would these numbers be close to what I would get out of my 117 CVO with Fullsac headpipe and S&S MK45's?
So, Dave, it would appear that it’s not really necessary to buy and install an expensive cam plate and oil pump, correct? Stock cam plate seems to work perfectly fine.
Dude, you are killing it. SOOO much work just to inform us that dont know. THANK YOU!!!
We really appreciate the comments and feed back, thank you!
Perfect advice to keep moisture out of your engine.
"Don't start your bike unless you're gonna ride it" 🙂
Absolutely, we really have seen the internals look like they were covered in mayonnaise, it was nasty.
The TTS 150 and Fueling 465 were by far the best dyno runs in this test from what I see. Both cams had little to no dip in the torque curve. Nothing but smooth and rising power. I presume results with vary slightly with a 2-1 exhaust compared the the 2-2 you used in the test.
Thank you Dave.
CR 483 all the way, i cant wait for them to relive a cam for the 2024 117
Fantastic work Dave
I want to THANK YOU BEYOND WORDS!!!!! You have a subscriber for life!!!!! By far the best cam shootout. I thank you soooo much sir💯🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Very happy to hear, this was a lot of work, but glad to hear that this video and the entire cam series has been such a help!
Great stuff by great people and dedicated to customer service from start to finish.
What a great man you are. Best cam video on RUclips by far. Thank you for all that hard work just for us.
Awesome job! Can't wait to see what's next! Thank you!
Thank you, we'll have more to come!
One of the best videos out there. Thanks for your hard work!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is exactly the kind of content I'm looking for thanks Dave!
Thanks for the watch! Glad we could be helpful
Love your no BS informational videos.
Glad you found the information helpful! Thank you for watching!
I really appreciate all the work you’ve done making all these videos. Now this is content I enjoy watching. Thanks!
Glad you found the information enjoyable!
Dave is the man. I can’t wait for riding season to start.
We are most definitely ramping up for the start of riding season!
What an awesome series! Thank you for taking all the time and expense to do this.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Outstanding job, Dave. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and investing your time and resources to educate the community.
Much appreciated!
Fantastic video. Great job laying it all out, categorizing the cams, and making it easy to digest and compare.
Glad you liked it!
Dave you are truely a master of your craft.. Thank you
I appreciate it!
What a fantastic video, Dave with so much helpful data. Thanks for all your work to put this together, looking forward to having you do your magic on my bike!!
Glad it was helpful!
This is probably the most comprehensive cam shootout video I've ever seen. Only thing that would have made it better for me personally is if it was a 117 with a 2 to 1 exhaust because that's what I have on my bike.
I think this really sealed the deal for me on the cr483. It really is a performer.
Thanks Dave for all the hard work.
That top end drop off killed it for me smh
@@59poppN tbh for me the loss at the top is more than made up for with all the torque at the bottom end
@@augustinasvilkas different strokes for different folks love it
So I ran an S&S 475 until a barn fire smoked all my toys last year. I installed a CR 483 in my new ride a month ago. I said it rips like the 475 and feels like a tractor compared to the 475. This just proves it seeing that curve.
@@59poppNyou'd probably prefer the CR485. I really wish it would've been included in this video. It's got REALLY close to the same bottom end of the CR483, matches it in the mid-range, but carries it out to the higher end a lot better. It's easily the best overall cam out there in my opinion
Thanks for this video. You always see people asking which cam is the best. Great comparison!
So many cams and the performance so close, telling the difference riding would only be in the mind!
Thanks for all the great info love the series keep up the great content looking forward to seeing more
Thanks for watching! More to come!
Great video , based on the number of road glides in the shop I'd say it's a massive success. We old twin cam guys get kicked to the curb but still very entertaining 😅. Thank you for taking the time to explain everything and sharing the content !
This is the one I’ve been Waiting for, big bore cams next!!
Awesome information and comparing true data. Thank you for sharing this
Very glad the information was helpful!
Great work Dave Many people will use this as a guide!!
That's the hope!
David, I for one have really enjoyed this cam shoot out. I appreciate your hard work on our behalf. I hope Golden Rod has not sustained too much long term damage. Thanks.
Thanks Dave for these videos. I've made my choice and plan on bringing it to you in a few months.
Fantastic! Glad the information was helpful!
Really appreciate all your effort!
Thanks for the watch!
Impressive work. Have been following you since cycle fanatics was coming to your shop. Glad you created a channel and doing videos
Much appreciated for the long viewership Steve, thank you!
Thanks for the great information, I’ll be in touch!
Dave, this is one of the most informative videos on stage two upgrades with a cam that is out there if you don’t know what cam you want after watching these videos then you will never know .. thanks so much for your knowledge your time and sharing these videos with us looking forward to more in the future
Very glad for the feedback, these videos were a blast to make but a lot of work too, more to come!
Thank you for this video, and all the cam testing!
You're welcome! it was a lot of work but very worth it overall
Great video. So much great information, gets me thinking about more upgrades.
Glad that the information was helpful!
Definitely thinking the CR480MT is for me, Absolutely loving the Content keep up the great work 👍🏻
Thinking the same.Had a 475 in my m8 fat bob.Sounded great but was super soft going from closed throttle to on.Didnt like that or the fact it wanted to carry a gear lower than stock
Awesome video dave much appreciated !
Excellent showing! I have the red shift 468 and it moves my ultra classic down the Louisiana highways! 2017 m8
Dave
Great job as always
Thank you for your great video!!
Thanks for the watch!
Can't say enough. Thanks for the great content, Dave! For a guy who loves riding but was so lacking knowledge on what upgrades or why on my bike, this whole series has been educational. I'm really looking forward to mid April, and having you upgrade my bike.
Hey, Glad to hear it! Our intent was to put out videos to inform the wider Harley Community while maintaining a fair and balanced testing environment. Thanks for the watch!
Great video Dave!
Thanks for the watch!
Dave
Thank you for your service, support and knowledge that you have provided to our motorcade community- your dedication paid off for the knowledge to be use for many years to come ❤❤❤❤. Golden Rod thank you as well for all that beating you have endured 😮😊😢😅😂
GoldenRod and I both got a little banged up, we'll both heal! glad the information was helpful!
Thank you Dave
You're welcome!
Good job Dave. thanks for the interesting information.
Glad the Information was interesting to watch Jerry! Thanks for the watch!
Dave this series was amazing an$ very informative. Thanks for your time
You should’ve taken your shit to him instead of that cheesy ass shop you went to
Thank you for the watch! Glad the information was helpful!
Thank you Dave, great Job and Great info!!
Glad it was helpful!
You have a real world, working man’s channel.
I'm glad you enjoy the channel!
I’m such a novice at this, but after watching this video, I feel like I can wash and wax my bike all in one day! 😂
In all seriousness, this is one of the best videos I’ve seen to date by far!! Thanks for the tutorial
Fantastic video, set the benchmark on cam reviews!!
Thanks! Glad that our hard work on this cam series and with GoldenRod has paid off!
Awesome testing and thanks!!
Thank you!
Great video and explanation. Very informative. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent information!!
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent videos, thank you for all the time and effort. The crank appears to be a weak link.
Dave - you rock; Awesome video series. Extremely informative with precise details. I could go on and on, but will summarize; imo "Epic"! Would be awesome to throw a big bore kit on Golden Rod, keeping the 4.500" stock stroke (most popular M8 stroke). The 114/117-to-128, 114/117-to-130 (T-Man), and the HD SE 114/117-to-131 kits have been around for awhile, so any of these would work. With the recently released S&S 132 (4.320" bore x 4.500" stroke), and S&S 136 (4.320" bore x 4.625" stroke) kits, personally I'd like to see a 132 build (stock heads, SE 64mm Intake & TB, 5.5 injectors). Few cams that would be very interesting to test: S&S 550 cam (my take: like a S&S 475 cam but with more lift); S&S 540 torque cam; S&S 590 power cam; Andrews M554; Star Racing 3/4 Race Cam (585 lift), and others. Then, up the ante by doing "head work" and perhaps also testing Star Racing two full race cams (615 cam & 627 cam), along with perhaps few others. Crane cams for M8???
Building my '23 Road Glide ST presently. Going from stock 117, 10.2:1 cr to a 132 using S&S 132 cylinders (4.32" bore) w/forged 11:1 pistons; S&S M8 case with Darkhorse blueprinted bottom end & flywheels (Carillo rods naturally).; full S&S Top End kit (roller rocker arms, etc.). Plan to have Branch 'O Keefe do some work to the heads, and plan to run the S&S 550 or Andrews M554 cam (undecided right now). Other upgrades include the S&S piston jets, HD fan added to the OE oil cooler plus already have the secondary engine oil cooler on my Road Glide now (Ultracool twin fan cooler, & their oil filter, tucked in between the CVO lower side fairing, etc. Running the Trask M8 checkvent to ventilate the bottom end. I use DynoJet Powervision PV3B for tuning with 18mm wideband O2's. Cu rrent exhaust system is the S&S full length 2-1 Sidewinder "race version" with db reducer installed.
Keep'em coming; excellent info & videos. Thank you! TM, P&A Rep., out west.
awesome video great info great testing
Thank you!
fantastic! great info here
Thanks for the watch!
Cool thanks for sharing 🤙🏼
Best cam comparaison video I’ve watched. I can’t believe you went through all of this work but much appreciated. Thought it would help me pick my cam for my street bob 114 but it didn’t lol . Vance and Hines 2-1 up swept comp series with packing removed. Debating between star racing 3030 and cyclorama 483 😕
Awesome, your the man🍺
This video will do very well
Great job!!! thank you
You're welcome!
Amazing information! To bad this didn’t come out a month ago when I done my cam change. lol but give me confidence with my fueling 472!
Great work
Thank you! Cheers!
I appreciate your videos ! I want to ride my 22 m8 114 street glide up to ya n do some magic to it. Cam, lifters tbi , intake manifold etc. I will call ya late April. Keep the videos a coming !
Cool to see how close these cams are. I have the same setup, 114 khrome werks exhaust, arlen ness breather with a power vision tune. No cam upgrade as of yet. Im a two up touring rider so this helped to narrow it down 😮
What did you decide on ? I have exact same setup on 23 RGS
@@jaimebedolla989 have not done cam yet. Had to buy a car
Great info. Thanks
Dave, love this, thank you, im sure your getting a million questions, Ill add a couple more😂, Im no racer nor do I claim to be able to read all those graphs, but to me the low range cams seem more smooth as you throttle up and not a huge difference compared to mid range cams, but the mid range cams seem to dip pretty good at low rpm, I wished you would’ve done one more cam the S&S 465, I have the 107 softail, I was thinking the woods 22XE but didn’t like that dip at low RPMs, now thinking back to the 465 I want just a little more but want smooth, watch think my friend, or any suggestions to consider. Thank you.
Appreciate all u do sir, you have great content. With many cams that have similar hp and torque, do they have the same similar exhaust sound .?👍
CR 483 for the win imo!
Secret : )
Bloody mean cam CR483, fitted a month ago, Now I'm on crutches with a foot in cast. 😆
I would love to see you test the cr485 vs the andrews 485
You must made your own push rods 😊😊
I did not see where you tested the Chris Rivas Rocket 464 cam?
Out of all the cams you tested i would go with the Andrews 485, with a Khrome Werks 2 into 1 exhaust. Thanks again for this great video.
Love the video that star 30 30 tho something about it
Going with the red shift 468 on my ST 117 with a D&D 2-1 with the valve springs as well. This really helped a lot Dave.
you will not need new valve springs with a 468 lift, stock will be fine
this is EXACTLY what i was looking for and it looks like the star 30/30 is my ideal cam. great bottom to mid punch pretty average mid range and both hp and tq numbers are healthy with a great power band. Looks like a great all around cam!
Thank you for this and its probably what I am going to be throwing in my 23 SG ST over this coming winter with a power vision.
What would be the suggested cam kit to use? I am very very new to Harely so what would you suggest going with a Star 30/30 in a 2023 streetglide ST 117?
And when that shim shatters you will wish you replaced it everytime . Because I know we love it when you gearade it. And the pieces go bounding all around in that crank case cam gear .
David, first greatly appreciate the details and explanations! extremely insightful! Now, my question, since your pump gas-timing comment on the RS468 (which was my original pick) now has me thinking either the Feuling 465 or RS472 ( I like the RS472 curve over the WM8-22Xe) which would you recommend for 107ci M8, factory header, Mk45
Amazing video. Thankyou Dave. From Alberta Canada. Glad I went with the S&S 475. 2 years now trouble free. Easy on the valve train. Some people say it’s outdated but it’s still one of your favourite cams. For what reason is it one of your go to cams? Reliability perhaps mixed with all around good performance?
Awesome work. Very thorough.
Not complaining, but why does no one talk about Comp’s M8 cams? I’ve seen one comparison video that mentioned one version, but that’s it.
Thanks for the videos.. I like the Andrews 485. If you are looking for suggestions to test would you consider the Tab and fullsac head pipes?
Great content! You gotta tell us what cam you finally put in the bike.
Secret : )
Yeeeeehaaaaaa !!!
YEEHAW!
@@JDsCycleWorks LoL
Very in depth thank you from a twin cam 103 FLHR guy. Chose the Star racing 577 bolt in with VH power duals and Tab 4.5 Zombies S&S lifters johnson bros. adj pushrods stock throttle body pump and plate. My first phase !! build and it runs great but honestly too load for long haul. next id love to send out the heads for upgrades and go with Fueling OE pump/plate setup and HPI moderate upgrade. AND I did go with the ThunderMax and glad I did great support. I measured runout at max 3.5 and my cylinders now read 200 psi. Does that sound right or is my procedure off? Any ways again thanks for the effort and the knowledge shared that you put into this video.
Did we forget the shim before torqing and he crack bolt I think we did .
tear it up dave just put in the cr540 in my 12.1 131 she hit 160 hp 155 torque
when you gonna do the big power cams ?
Moonshine Harley-Davidson just released an updated press fit crank sprocket. No shims required.
Wow lots of information here, hard to make sense of it all… so I’ll ask a (stupid) question perhaps, I have a 2022 street Glide st that I plan to put rinehart 4.5” slimline duals from headers back onto it along with the Harley tuner which will be done by my dealership cause I’m not good at that kind of stuff, because they have copper accents that go with my bike and will be a little better sounding than stock I think and my question is what cams do you think would work well with this without having to do lifters and oil sump pumps and such to get better performance in the 3000 to 4000 rpm range or so that seems to be the place I use most at the moment…sorry for the lengthy question but would appreciate your input on best options for me…thnx in advance for your opinion..oh I have subscribed to your channel 👍🏼
Can u explain why the TC & engine light stays on after the stage 2 kit on newer bikes
Need a recommendation for a mid range cam for a stock 117ci running a basinni 2into one.with a stock high flow intake
will you crack the cases for new crank build upwards or will you swap in an SS motor build 😊😅
I have a 2018 M8 117 in my CVO RG, looking at the Star 30/30 cam for it..........would these numbers be close to what I would get out of my 117 CVO with Fullsac headpipe and S&S MK45's?
So, Dave, it would appear that it’s not really necessary to buy and install an expensive cam plate and oil pump, correct? Stock cam plate seems to work perfectly fine.
How do you think the M821 will work with a 2 into 1 Thunderheader compared to the KW exhaust?
Hey Dave where did you get the shim for the crankshaft sprocket? I thought I could hear you say a brand or name but it wasn’t super clear. Thanks
Ok so what do you like your run out be at or around when you build a motor…
Star 30/30 went back in ??? My thought because it’s awsome
Secret : )
Did you replace that cam cover gasket 24 times as well?--- (only kidding) --BTW--thanks for doing what your do.
Yes I did 😆
I just bought the Woods WM8-22XD. Any thoughts on this cam?
You didn't test the Star 3/4 cam? or did I miss it?