Jimmy starts out without a code but with a heart. Chuck starts out with a code but without a heart. By the end of their time together chick has lost his code and Jimmy's well on his way to losing his heart. Both of them lose the feature that distinguished themself from the other, and unfortunately only one of them lives long enough to gain both features back.
You can also notice that in their underlying reasons for being a lawyer. Jimmy sticks up for the little guy, as a public defender, as Kim’s defender, and for criminals who are just stuck in a broken system (at least initially). Chuck loves to wield the law as a punitive weapon. He literally says The Law is mankind’s greatest achievement because it’s “the idea that no matter who you are your actions have consequences,” and he USES it as a weapon. He’s a master at it. I’d argue that Chuck is just as much of a scheming manipulative conman as Jimmy is, but he has the luxury of using legal means and resources to do so. (Edited for spelling)
Oh did he?? Chuck made Jimmy steal from his parents store when he was a child? Chuck made Jimmy rob the mall? Jimmy was alllways Jimmy. Nobody to blame but himself
i still think lalo had more of an effect on jimmy because him killing howard was the reason kim left jimmy, it seems like kim is the soul reason that jimmy has restraint as far as breaking the law after chucks death. yes after he becomes saul he really doesn’t play it by the book at all, but after kim leaves he goes on an even worse downward spiral imo
@@rickysoup yeah that's true, the REAL Saul Goodman never existed until Kim left. He's just not the type of guy to be a family man in any capacity, he's more the "cocaine and hookers" kinda guy. Although with meth that good maybe he'd be doing it on the dl. For someone that's already as deep into a coke habit as a real Saul Goodman would be, the blue sky must at least tempt his curiosities haha
@@alyssarichardson2544 well we know that he was using xanax consistently because he talks about it at the end of bcs and throughout bb. so i wouldn’t deny that he was doing things like coke as well. it already seemed like he drank pretty consistently throughout bcs, but it never seemed like “abuse” necessarily but i bet with the xanax use, being that xanax is basically just pill form of alcohol, im assuming that he was drinking more as well throughout bb. i don’t think it’s a stretch to believe that he may have tried meth
I still think Chuck and Walter would be best friends. Both highly intelligent individuals with egos to match, while also possibly overplaying their roles in upstarting successful businesses. Chuck with HHM and Walter with Grey Matter.
Big egos compete with each other if they're in the same room, especially if they have a lot of ammunition to argue over that high intelligence affords. Maybe there'd be respect but I doubt they'd ever agree on anything.
I think the whole “the law is Sacred” thing is Chuck’s version of Walter White’s “I did it for my family” a lie Chuck told himself. But he never owned up to it. He only loved Jimmy conditionally. To never see beyond the terrible things that Jimmy did, and see that he’s turned his life around and only forgive him when he was at a low station (in the mail room) is pretty crappy. Jimmy was thrilled to be working the Sandpiper case with his brother and was helping Chuck with his illness, which Chuck could always manage to muddle through or play up when he wanted to keep Jimmy down. How could things have worked out if Chuck had not screwed Jimmy out of his legit track. I think that was Jimmy’s dream to be partners with his brother to stay in New Mexico, and be with Kim. I think that’s why he sabotaged the Davis & Mann job. (And yes Jimmy did that on his own.) But the degree of hate and judgement Chuck screamed, “And he gets to be a lawyer? WHAT A SICK JOKE???” I can’t help but feel for Jimmy. And Chuck. It’s tragic that neither one of them dealt with their emotions and tried to be real brothers.
To take this a bit further, you can see that come to fruition when the whole insurance thing comes up……the very man who preaches “the law is sacred” and even looks down on Jimmy for finding loopholes in the law *immediately* attempts to strong arm the agency with a lawsuit, then even is legitimately considering wasting company resources just to go through with it. Then the conversation with Howard implies this isn’t the first time Chucks done something like this. The law was never sacred in the sense we thought……it was sacred to Chuck as *the one thing he could beat his brother in and the one thing he had left in life aside from Jimmy* *That’s* why he’s so adamant to keep Jimmy out of HMM. Because how dare the slacker brother that seemed to get everything get this too. And if he can reach the door that easily, he can *sure as hell* be a success one he’s in the building
@@Kurotama11 I forgot about that! And Chuck’s response to Howard asking him to step down and get real help was to sue him. I felt terrible for Howard; he was trying to be a true friend to Chuck, and I think it was heartbreaking for him to see just how little Chuck valued their friendship and the law firm. Chuck treated every one terribly. Ernie, Kim, and Paige. It wasn’t just Jimmy he looked down on
Kudos to you for identifying Chuck as a villain (some don't). Chuck's villainy is part-and-parcel of his personality; his personality is toxic; his personality is who he is. Lalo... Like Tuco, Lalo is mentally ill, a psychopath. (Lalo doesn't manipulate people. Like Tuco, he just does his violent thing. There is no cunning subterfuge.) I do not judge people who are mentally ill. Lalo should be locked up in prison for life to protect people from his psychopathy, but one should step back from passing judgment on him. Ditto, Tuco.
Expectations change people. We see this in real life. The story I think of is the blind guy who can ride a bike. He wasn't told he couldn't ride a bike, he was allowed to run around and play outside. The expectations of being a normal kid means that he grew up doing normal kid stuff. Chuck's expectations of Jimmy resulted in Jimmy being the person Chuck belived him to be. Chuck's expectations molded him into Saul. Jimmy really did try to be a good person and a good lawyer. First he passed the bar. When that didn't gain the approval of Chuck, he eventually managed to land a huge case, Sand Piper. He figured that would prove to his brother that he was worthy of respect. Well, it didn't. It didn't matter what he did, Chuck would forever see him as Slippin' Jimmy, and so that's what he did. And he was good at it.
On the one hand, it's easy to see why Chuck didn't want his brother to be a lawyer. Sure, maybe Chuck is right that Jimmy would always just be Slippin' Jimmy. Maybe Chuck was right that Jimmy's remorse was all just a show. This is all very likely. ...But _fuck,_ man. Chuck _ruined_ this man. One of the fastest ways to break someone is to show them that both success and failure are punished, and I think that's ultimately the worst thing Chuck did. He'd say he wanted to "rehabilitate" Jimmy (never mind that Jimmy was pretty rehabilitated - working on a business, going to school, learning, has a stable job...) but I think anyone can see that Chuck found punishment more important than he'd like to admit.
Now I'm kinda curious how things might have played out if Howard had simply told chuck, "Do it yourself," whenever he tried to get him to stand in and take all the blame. Sure, things woulda still gone badly, but maybe to a lesser degree.
This show is amazing as (most of) its characters are some kind of villains. Chuck is cold blooded when it comes to Jimmy which makes him a villain in our eyes. He is at the same time jealous of Jimmy’s charisma but also treats him with contempt. We know it comes from their childhood so it’s deep. It builded up to the point where even when Jimmy was taking care of him, Chuck was still seeing him as less than…As for Lalo, he is a freaking psychopath 😅 but a great villain.
i often wonder what would have happened if Jimmy tried to kill himself or something after chuck gave the "you're not a real story" speech, how chuck woulda felt.
Lalo is certainly more pure evil than Chuck. He’s a psychopath who displays very little emotion aside from the occasional burst, and will happily kill anybody without it having any impact on him whatsoever. Chuck, on the other hand, has been jealous of his little brother ever since they were kids and uses his intellectual skills and lofty social position to constantly belittle him in a revenge. It’s two very different kinds of evil, which both have massive ramifications for Jimmy - and that’s why this show is so good. It highlights the differing types of antagonists which can impact people in a variety of ways. So I think Lalo is more downright evil and gets Jimmy into more dangerous situations naturally because of that, but Chuck has a greater impact on Jimmy’s character. Both brilliant villains.
I don't know very much about it but it seems like a good example of grandiose and vulnerable narcissism. Lalo, the former, with Chuck being the latter.
This may be controversial, but I believe that many of Lalo's positive emotions are sincere. Most people think that Lalo is a monster under the mask of a nice guy, but it seems to me that there is no mask, both of these traits are real.
Chuck is an extreme case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. A personality disorder is not a mental illness, it is WHO YOU ARE. Educate yourself about NPD, lest one such person exploits you or even ruins your life. For one example, if you trusted a person with NPD (as Jimmy did) and then recognized their manipulation and abuse (as Jimmy did), the person withe NPD will do anything to exact revenge on you (as Chuck exacted revenge on Jimmy)..
Chuck was a fantastic villain. He saw the worst in people and engaged in some truly psychopathic backstabbing, all while believing himself to be noble.
Worth noting is that every symptom Charles displays and calls his EHS is in fact consistent with agoraphobia. But because he is the biggest Boomer who ever boomed, the idea of admitting to a crippling neurochemical imbalance and getting the help he needs in order to make his life a good fraction of what it once was is more offensive to him than throwing his whole career and business down the toilet. EDIT: The way Charles does not react at all when he is unaware of the electric items in his presence compared to when he is aware is pretty strong evidence of agoraphobia. He is extremely distressed by being outside of his home, but he rationalises the physical expressions with "EHS". This is why you never, ever conclude you have an illness using Doctor Search Engine.
Chuck is easily a bad guy because most importantly I think, though he has saved Jimmy/Saul's ass before, he never made any attempt to help him reform. Instead of just denying Jimmy a job at their firm, Chuck made no attempt to try to comfort or compensate his brother on his emotional pain of being rejected, in fact Chuck deploying Howard to do his dirty work, only made things worse for everyone, instead of himself as the big brother who claims to have "moral superiority" making such a scumbag move to not even have the balls to tell his own brother the truth, but to get Howard to do it instead just shows Chuck doesn't have a leg to stand on when it's about the moral high ground. And when Chuck decides to make everything about Jimmy, deeply personal, going out of his way to try to screw his younger brother, was just pouring gasoline on the fire. If he really was the "better" man, he would have acted like ii, but he was even more petty and vindictive.
I don’t think there’s a single person in Breaking Bad that makes Walter White Heisenberg (Other than Walter White). Without Chuck, Jimmy doesn’t become Saul Goodman. That’s why he’s the truest antagonist in either show. He created Saul.
A point could be made that the persona of Saul Goodman was created after Jimmy and Kim broke up. He actually became another person, and it feels very much like Jimmy and Saul are different characters, just like Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader. So while Chuck made Jimmy lose himself more and more, Kim was the final nail on the coffin for Saul Goodman to be born.
@@slipperysloper3721 I think years of pent up regrets and resentment from multiple events, multiple people, multiple slights just came to a head. How many times can a man try to do the right thing, work hard, and play by the rules...and have so many disappointing results until he's had enough? First he had " plenty of time " , then he had no time...and Walter became Heisenberg.
Makes one wonder what would have happened if Chuck had been fine with Jimmy working with HHM, even for a few months to see just how well of a lawyer he could have been to the company. Worst case scenario is he does some Slippin’ Jimmy stuff when it comes to certain clients that perhaps are very important to the firm and he’s then fired. For the most part in season 1 he’s doing things by the book, obviously the stuff with the skaters was Slippin’ Jimmy, but overall he’s doing his best to be a legit lawyer as he’s doing his solo practice, especially when he went into elder law. Had Chuck embraced Jimmy when he came to him when he let him know he passed the bar and gave him a chance rather than set things up so him having a pretty decent start as a lawyer was shot, especially when Jimmy finds out it was Chuck the entire time, Jimmy eventually embracing that Slippin’ Jimmy side of him full time, which becomes Saul Goodman, after he has nothing left to keep him as Jimmy McGill the guy people really like is then inevitable. This could have been prevented had Chuck just for once gave his brother a chance and see if he truly changed his life around. Obviously he was happy with him being in the Mail Room, which of course is where he saw him just staying at unless he found another job that was legit and was perhaps even fit Jimmy more that wasn’t being a lawyer and still was able to lead a legitimate life. If Chuck for a moment thought there was more to Jimmy than this petty crook he always saw him as, then the events of Better Call Saul could have been different, same with Breaking Bad. Plus in the end, Jimmy does prove Chuck wrong in that he does change as he tells what happened regarding laundering Walt’s money, getting a cut of the money as well as turning a blind eye as much as he could regarding all the stuff he knew what was going on, thus forgoing his 7½ prison sentence to getting 86 years. Obviously Kim had a good influence in this decision, but he let go his Saul Goodman/Slippin’ Jimmy persona once and for all in the court room scene in Saul Gone. Obviously in prison, everyone calls him Saul, but he isn’t really embracing that side of him anymore. If Chuck was right than he would have gone with the original deal and never confessed to what really happened in Breaking Bad. Great video man, keep up the great work!
See I don't think Chuck hates Jimmy. I think Chuck is insanely jealous, and it infuriates him that Jimmy cuts corners and receives more attention than Chuck. Chuck and Jimmy both do horrible things to each other throughout the series, but there are scenes that show they do both love each other.
I think Chuck may be the single person most responsible for the transformation of Jimmy into full on Saul Goodman. I'm not entirely sure how well he would have done in the more structured environment of somewhere like HHM. After all he did have issues fitting in at the other firm. But it almost seemed like he might have been happy doing predominantly elder law, with the odd side hustle, and waiting for the Sand Piper money to come in. I think Chuck engineering the suspension was the point of no return. Sure, he sabotaged his relationship with the old people himself but that was more due to an error in judgement over how badly it would affect Irene. Giving up the money to make that right shows that he does care about people. But after that he'd more or less ran out of avenues for attracting reputable clients and had been given a taste of the rewards from shadier practices.
The first watch I hated Chuck. The second I was on his side. But the third I realized how evil Chuck really is. But I do understand his motives. And i understand Jimmy also. He worshipped chuck.
Ultimately chuck was right when he said "always slippin jimmy" but it was he was the one who pushed his brother down that path by refusing to even believe in his brother's ability to go down a different one.
Chuck only cared about the word of the law to a tee without any respect to human emotion and how that might affect his partner Howard, his brother, or his ex-Wife. He was not evil per-se, more like an inanimate machine. He refused to retire because that's all he'd known, no emotion, just a servant of the law. Also exemplified by how he treated Ernie. Even after becoming estranged with his brother, when he killed himself, Jimmy felt true emotion in losing his brother.
Chuck was a man of principles. And if anyone here had known one would know that their principles define their life. Jimmy used to cut corners and take shortcuts, even abuse the law which was sacred to Chuck. So Chuck repeatedly warned Jimmy to change his behaviours but Jimmy saw life differently. Eventually even if you don't like the fact but Chuck was always right. And the finale proved it as well as. Sure Chuck could have been less stern with Jimmy but Jimmy's personality was such that he was also his biggest enemy, always trying to deflect his feelings.
I think Chuck was the better villain in the first 3 seasons of Better Call Saul. To me there seemed to be main 2 villains in the first 3 seasons (chuck and hector salamanca) and then in the last 3 seasons the main villain was lalo salomanca.
I get Chuck. I've worked hard my whole life while my brother had everything given to him. To the point where I was taken out of the will. My parents offered him everything meanwhile he hasn't had a job for years while I work in the nuclear field. I feel Chick's anger about Saul
You notice their personalities are reflected in their underlying reasons for being a lawyer. Jimmy sticks up for the little guy, as a public defender, as Kim’s defender, and for criminals who are just stuck in a broken system (Saul does this too, just for nefarious purposes, but that’s a different discussion). Whereas Chuck, who has said the law is, quote, “the idea that no matter who you are your actions have consequences.” He believes that the law is to be used as a punitive weapon, and he WIELDS it, without any care of who it hurts in the process. He’s a master at it. I’d argue that Chuck is just as much of a scheming manipulative conman as Jimmy is, but he has the luxury of using legal means and resources to do so.
Chuck and Jimmy are both right yet Jimmy causes others to be or act worse and even the letter Chuck wrote to Jimmy showed why Jimmy just a bad guy and Kim saw it.
Jimmy is responsible for his own actions, but can you really say that things would go the same way it Chuck was just proud of his brother instead of acting like a spoiled brat? Hes unbelieveably selfish and was willing to burn down his own firm with everybody inside just to feel like he had control.
Chuck was definitely a bigger villain than Lalo. While Lalo was a member of a drug cartel, his actions were primarily to protect and benefit his family. While being a well respected lawyer, Chuck's actions were always to harm his own family, regardless of how much they tried to help and support him. Even in the episodes with his ex-wife, when it's apparent that she's friendly to, and even likes Jimmy, he becomes very antagonistic toward her. For Chuck, you were only as useful to him as much as it benefited him. Lalo, on the other hand, can be seen helping his uncle after his stroke and caring for his family. For the whole nature vs nurture argument: by nature, Jimmy was "Slipping Jimmy". When he attempted to change and become a good, upstanding and respectable person, Chuck's nurture, as his older brother and only remaining family, prevented that leading to the Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman that we see throughout the rest of the series and in Breaking Bad.
Chuck's inferiority complex against his brother is truly sad. He was clearly always jealous of jimmy's charisma, and despite all his personal accomplisments he couldnt let his resentments go. If chuck hadnt put jimmy down and made him feel as though nothing he could do would make him more than a charlatan, i dont think jimmy wouldve gone down the path he did. I dont think Chuck really hates jimmy however. I mean he didnt have to help jimmy after the sunroof incident, he didnt have to give him a job in the mail room. Despite it all, in a weird complicated way chuck did love his brother, wanted to keep him close, but if that was to protect him from becoming "slippin jimmy" or to be assured jimmy never amounted to more, i dont think even chuck knew. It was for sure a deeply complex relationship, so many layers of jealousy, and resentment. By the end of chuck's run, he is consumed by his resentments, when he tells jimmy "you never really mattered much to me" to me it is a bold faced lie, because if jimmy truly didnt matter to him he wouldnt have stood in his way, and tried so hard to prevent him from being what he thought of as "slippin jimmy". I think the truth is chuck in that moment wanted to hurt jimmy, wound him, in a sort of cruel petty way. I do think all these complexities and the fact that chuck is jimmys only family does make chuck the better villian. He tormented and changed jimmy psychologically for sure.
Chuck plays a bigger role in the development of Jimmy's character than Lalo. Chuck being basically Jimmy's only real family constantly pulling strings behind his back to sabotage his career plays probably the biggest part in Jimmy becoming Saul and is what turns Jimmy more into the uncaring Saul of the BB series. With Chuck's support and understanding it is likely Jimmy never really becomes Saul while probably still messing up at times probably eventually moving away from being a crooked lawyer. Lalo is more of the boogeyman. He is there to keep Jimmy on his toes and teaches him to always be one step ahead of everyone else, but in the same sense so does Chuck. Lalo's character is more for the character development of Gus.
It puzzles me that no video identifies Chuck as an extreme case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. This dismays me. As a victim of someone who has NPD, it is obvious to me that Chuck has NPD. Psychologists are reluctant to make a diagnosis of a personality disorder because a personality disorder is WHO YOU ARE. It's not an illness, it is a personality. Symptoms: 1) A need to make others jump through hoops to attend to the narcissist (Chuck's phony "illness"), i.e., a manipulation revealing a need to exercise power in order to be the center of attention. 2) An inability to recognize other's feelings (a lack of any empathy for Jimmy, as you described so well). 3) The frequent employment of a false, "agreeable/amiable" face to manipulate and to disguise the narcissist's true intention (Chuck does this a lot, employing lies as part of the disguise.). 4) An obsession with revenge (Think: Trump), particularly against those who once trusted the narcissist and now see through the narcissist's abusive manipulation (Jimmy). When Jimmy, a loving brother, does onerous daily deliveries to Chuck's house (at Jimmy's painful expense), Chuck cheerfully allows this to continue as an exercise of his power over Jimmy. Power is candy to a narcissist. Chuck, incapable of shame, takes pleasure in manipulation and exploitation. Narcissism When Howard Hamlin decides that, for the sake of the survival of the law firm, he must persuade Chuck to retire, he then exercises exquisitely tactful, respectful, empathetic maneuvers to gently move Chuck toward withdrawal. For example, he reminds Chuck that Chuck had always wanted to teach students at a law school. Instead of yielding to this gentle persuasion, Chuck declares that he will nuke the law firm, willingly destroying the livelihoods of all who work there. Ugly, evil vengeance. Narcissism. Chuck's choice of means for suicide is pure, evil narcissism. A decent person who commits suicide will do so in a way to cause the least distress to those left behind. Chuck, in contrast, chooses a means of suicide guaranteed to inflict the greatest possible horror and anguish upon those left behind. Narcissism.
He's not a villain, and he's not evil. He just has problems with his brother, envy and jealousy, otherwise he is a normal good person. If this is his worst sin, then how can he be a bad person? Jimmy is 10 times worse, in his youth he has already committed crimes, deceived people, what is it all about? I find it funny with people who think otherwise. Maybe Chuck could help Jimmy change, but he didn't make him like that. He was already like that in his youth, and Chuck saved him from prison.
A valid disagreement, but I don't think it's warranted to say that. I think it depends, Chuck may not have had the same level of real damaging impact to the world as say Lalo, Hector or Gus, but I think he exhibits a lot of the same traits (namely a burning need for the maximum respect and a cutthroat nature toward anyone he perceives to have equal or more of it) and, through his treatment of Jimmy, ended up creating a snowball of destruction too vast for even him to handle. I think Chuck gets a lot of credit for being "right" about Jimmy, but I'm of the opinion that he was only right about it because he made it so. I think had he stepped in and been truly supportive of Jimmy, and incentivised him to do the right thing by offering him the opportunity to work alongside him at HHM, then Jimmy would never have needed to get involved with the Lalo, and never have enabled Walter to cause all the damage he did. Jimmy hurt a lot of people, for a lot of reasons, with varying, and often dubious levels of justification, but he's a product of circumstance; of a cycle of behaviour he'd been rewarded for over and over, and was deprived of the means to break. He may not be the most evil, but he's among the most ruthless, and, albeit indirectly, the most damage due to his unflinchingly judgemental nature, stubbornness and pride. He's as villainous as the other villains in the series, with an utter absence of loyalty, or intrinsic moral compass. It just so happens that his best interests are on the right side of the law.
Lalo was the worse villian. Chuck was jealous of Jimmy but he didn't make him who he was. No sibling owes you a jv sob. But he should have been up front and say that his firm was more conservative and he didn't think he was a good fit. Let Jimmy decide how much he wanted to help his brother after that. I have siblings who are very supportive if you stay in your lane. I can sense the change if going into their domain. The law Chuck felt was his domain. Jimmy was the favorite son. He made everyone laugh, he was the fun brother but Chuck was the successful lawyer. He would have been fine wth Jimmy doing whatever he wanted if it wasn't the law. Yeah it makes Chuck an insecure asshole but he wasn't a villian. He didn't owe his brother a career, one he was quite capable of doing on his own. Jimmy made his own choices. He had a chance to be a success in elder law but he took the mob lawyer route. Lalo gave him a chance to walk away but he didn't.
Well said. Chuck was a coward for not being upfront with Jimmy about his decision but I hate it when people thinks he owes Jimmy a cushy job fresh out of law school at one of the top law firms. People loves to criticize Chuck's influence on Jimmy, but no one bats an eye on what Jimmy was doing to Chuck because "he did it with a good heart". We can see in the show Jimmy was the #1 enabler of Chuck's mental disorder. Would Chuck be less defensive about Jimmy's change had he been less sick? We would never know, but certainly he wouldn't have killed himself. When Jimmy committed an actual felony in forging documents to get MV back to Kim he assumed Chuck would just shrug and move on with his life, which is a clear indication that he doesn't actually know his brother that well and how important Chuck views his law career, but Jimmy gets a free pass on that because "he did it with a good heart" to help Kim. The problem is in modern society people value intention more than consequences and feelings more than facts. BCS as well as BB are almost certainly shows about consequences, not intentions.
Also to add to your comments, Chuck wasn't even obstructive of Jimmy pursuing a law career outside of working at HMM. Chuck views HMM as his life's work and wanted Jimmy to stay clear of it. Outside of that he doesn't seem to care when Jimmy's working as a PD, doing his own solo practice, or working for Davis & Maine. Aside from that in the final scene we can see Chuck even offered Jimmy mentorship over PD cases, which Jimmy promptly turned down.
I strongly disagree with this analysis. It's superficial, one-sided and a total misjudge of both brothers. I would agrue here, but you need to see, cause it's about the characters feeling and out sympathy towards them. And calling Gus or Hector NOT a main villain is just, well LOL
@@jerrystakes Respectfully you may have got it wrong. For Chuck law was the sacred and he hated the fact that Jimmy disrespected and made mockery of law and there are tons of example of that in the show. And that's why the shows main argument was people don't change and it was true for everyone except the finale. And infact Jimmy was the villian of this show more than Chuck. His way of dealing with loss, failure and rejections drove him to become Saul and put on a facade to hide his true self and the pain
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Jimmy has a heart, despite being crook. Chuck is heartless, but plays everything by the book. Brilliant writing.
Jimmy starts out without a code but with a heart. Chuck starts out with a code but without a heart. By the end of their time together chick has lost his code and Jimmy's well on his way to losing his heart. Both of them lose the feature that distinguished themself from the other, and unfortunately only one of them lives long enough to gain both features back.
Nah chuck had a heart
@@TariqTheGuyuntil he died
In what place is he heartless? He never did anything bad to anyone except his brother. Yes, he has jealousy for him, but for other people?
You can also notice that in their underlying reasons for being a lawyer.
Jimmy sticks up for the little guy, as a public defender, as Kim’s defender, and for criminals who are just stuck in a broken system (at least initially).
Chuck loves to wield the law as a punitive weapon. He literally says The Law is mankind’s greatest achievement because it’s “the idea that no matter who you are your actions have consequences,” and he USES it as a weapon. He’s a master at it.
I’d argue that Chuck is just as much of a scheming manipulative conman as Jimmy is, but he has the luxury of using legal means and resources to do so.
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Chuck effects Jimmy more than Lalo. Lalo terrified Jimmy but Chuck turned Jimmy into who he became.
Oh did he?? Chuck made Jimmy steal from his parents store when he was a child? Chuck made Jimmy rob the mall? Jimmy was alllways Jimmy. Nobody to blame but himself
i still think lalo had more of an effect on jimmy because him killing howard was the reason kim left jimmy, it seems like kim is the soul reason that jimmy has restraint as far as breaking the law after chucks death. yes after he becomes saul he really doesn’t play it by the book at all, but after kim leaves he goes on an even worse downward spiral imo
@@rickysoup yeah that's true, the REAL Saul Goodman never existed until Kim left. He's just not the type of guy to be a family man in any capacity, he's more the "cocaine and hookers" kinda guy. Although with meth that good maybe he'd be doing it on the dl. For someone that's already as deep into a coke habit as a real Saul Goodman would be, the blue sky must at least tempt his curiosities haha
@@alyssarichardson2544 well we know that he was using xanax consistently because he talks about it at the end of bcs and throughout bb. so i wouldn’t deny that he was doing things like coke as well. it already seemed like he drank pretty consistently throughout bcs, but it never seemed like “abuse” necessarily but i bet with the xanax use, being that xanax is basically just pill form of alcohol, im assuming that he was drinking more as well throughout bb. i don’t think it’s a stretch to believe that he may have tried meth
Lalo wouldn't try to hurt his own brother. Family means something to the Salamancas.
I still think Chuck and Walter would be best friends.
Both highly intelligent individuals with egos to match, while also possibly overplaying their roles in upstarting successful businesses.
Chuck with HHM and Walter with Grey Matter.
I don’t think Chuck “overplayed” anything.
Big egos compete with each other if they're in the same room, especially if they have a lot of ammunition to argue over that high intelligence affords. Maybe there'd be respect but I doubt they'd ever agree on anything.
Chuck and Walter would fucking hate each other mate.
@@othososESPECIALLY after Walt becomes more Heisenberg than Walt.
@@Im_NierI think he did
I think if Chuck didn't resent Jimmy, and took him under his wing Jimmy would've been running HHM in the first episode instead of Howard.
Howard was already a top executive but he most likely would be a partner
I think the whole “the law is Sacred” thing is Chuck’s version of Walter White’s “I did it for my family” a lie Chuck told himself. But he never owned up to it. He only loved Jimmy conditionally. To never see beyond the terrible things that Jimmy did, and see that he’s turned his life around and only forgive him when he was at a low station (in the mail room) is pretty crappy. Jimmy was thrilled to be working the Sandpiper case with his brother and was helping Chuck with his illness, which Chuck could always manage to muddle through or play up when he wanted to keep Jimmy down. How could things have worked out if Chuck had not screwed Jimmy out of his legit track. I think that was Jimmy’s dream to be partners with his brother to stay in New Mexico, and be with Kim. I think that’s why he sabotaged the Davis & Mann job. (And yes Jimmy did that on his own.) But the degree of hate and judgement Chuck screamed, “And he gets to be a lawyer? WHAT A SICK JOKE???” I can’t help but feel for Jimmy. And Chuck. It’s tragic that neither one of them dealt with their emotions and tried to be real brothers.
To take this a bit further, you can see that come to fruition when the whole insurance thing comes up……the very man who preaches “the law is sacred” and even looks down on Jimmy for finding loopholes in the law *immediately* attempts to strong arm the agency with a lawsuit, then even is legitimately considering wasting company resources just to go through with it. Then the conversation with Howard implies this isn’t the first time Chucks done something like this.
The law was never sacred in the sense we thought……it was sacred to Chuck as *the one thing he could beat his brother in and the one thing he had left in life aside from Jimmy*
*That’s* why he’s so adamant to keep Jimmy out of HMM. Because how dare the slacker brother that seemed to get everything get this too. And if he can reach the door that easily, he can *sure as hell* be a success one he’s in the building
@@Kurotama11 I forgot about that! And Chuck’s response to Howard asking him to step down and get real help was to sue him. I felt terrible for Howard; he was trying to be a true friend to Chuck, and I think it was heartbreaking for him to see just how little Chuck valued their friendship and the law firm. Chuck treated every one terribly. Ernie, Kim, and Paige. It wasn’t just Jimmy he looked down on
Kudos to you for identifying Chuck as a villain (some don't). Chuck's villainy is part-and-parcel of his personality; his personality is toxic; his personality is who he is. Lalo... Like Tuco, Lalo is mentally ill, a psychopath. (Lalo doesn't manipulate people. Like Tuco, he just does his violent thing. There is no cunning subterfuge.) I do not judge people who are mentally ill. Lalo should be locked up in prison for life to protect people from his psychopathy, but one should step back from passing judgment on him. Ditto, Tuco.
Expectations change people. We see this in real life. The story I think of is the blind guy who can ride a bike. He wasn't told he couldn't ride a bike, he was allowed to run around and play outside. The expectations of being a normal kid means that he grew up doing normal kid stuff.
Chuck's expectations of Jimmy resulted in Jimmy being the person Chuck belived him to be. Chuck's expectations molded him into Saul.
Jimmy really did try to be a good person and a good lawyer. First he passed the bar. When that didn't gain the approval of Chuck, he eventually managed to land a huge case, Sand Piper. He figured that would prove to his brother that he was worthy of respect. Well, it didn't. It didn't matter what he did, Chuck would forever see him as Slippin' Jimmy, and so that's what he did. And he was good at it.
On the one hand, it's easy to see why Chuck didn't want his brother to be a lawyer. Sure, maybe Chuck is right that Jimmy would always just be Slippin' Jimmy. Maybe Chuck was right that Jimmy's remorse was all just a show. This is all very likely.
...But _fuck,_ man. Chuck _ruined_ this man. One of the fastest ways to break someone is to show them that both success and failure are punished, and I think that's ultimately the worst thing Chuck did. He'd say he wanted to "rehabilitate" Jimmy (never mind that Jimmy was pretty rehabilitated - working on a business, going to school, learning, has a stable job...) but I think anyone can see that Chuck found punishment more important than he'd like to admit.
Chuck never forgave Slippin' Jimmy
"Any man who must say 'I am not crazy!' is no real not-crazy"
- Tywin Lannister
Your Elmo voice sounds like it's going back and fourth on Elmo and Mort from Madagascar.
Now I'm kinda curious how things might have played out if Howard had simply told chuck, "Do it yourself," whenever he tried to get him to stand in and take all the blame. Sure, things woulda still gone badly, but maybe to a lesser degree.
@@hiitsjustdee "Say you want this!"
"I want this."
"Then do it yourself."
This show is amazing as (most of) its characters are some kind of villains. Chuck is cold blooded when it comes to Jimmy which makes him a villain in our eyes. He is at the same time jealous of Jimmy’s charisma but also treats him with contempt. We know it comes from their childhood so it’s deep. It builded up to the point where even when Jimmy was taking care of him, Chuck was still seeing him as less than…As for Lalo, he is a freaking psychopath 😅 but a great villain.
The past tense of "succumb" is "succumbed", not "succame"
i often wonder what would have happened if Jimmy tried to kill himself or something after chuck gave the "you're not a real story" speech, how chuck woulda felt.
Better call Saul is so peak
Yes indeed
Lalo is certainly more pure evil than Chuck. He’s a psychopath who displays very little emotion aside from the occasional burst, and will happily kill anybody without it having any impact on him whatsoever.
Chuck, on the other hand, has been jealous of his little brother ever since they were kids and uses his intellectual skills and lofty social position to constantly belittle him in a revenge.
It’s two very different kinds of evil, which both have massive ramifications for Jimmy - and that’s why this show is so good. It highlights the differing types of antagonists which can impact people in a variety of ways.
So I think Lalo is more downright evil and gets Jimmy into more dangerous situations naturally because of that, but Chuck has a greater impact on Jimmy’s character. Both brilliant villains.
I don't know very much about it but it seems like a good example of grandiose and vulnerable narcissism.
Lalo, the former, with Chuck being the latter.
This may be controversial, but I believe that many of Lalo's positive emotions are sincere. Most people think that Lalo is a monster under the mask of a nice guy, but it seems to me that there is no mask, both of these traits are real.
Chuck is an extreme case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. A personality disorder is not a mental illness, it is WHO YOU ARE. Educate yourself about NPD, lest one such person exploits you or even ruins your life. For one example, if you trusted a person with NPD (as Jimmy did) and then recognized their manipulation and abuse (as Jimmy did), the person withe NPD will do anything to exact revenge on you (as Chuck exacted revenge on Jimmy)..
Chuck was a fantastic villain. He saw the worst in people and engaged in some truly psychopathic backstabbing, all while believing himself to be noble.
1min43 seconds of your vid and I wanna rewatch the show again. instant sub
That guys Carol Kane impression at the end is amazing!!!
Worth noting is that every symptom Charles displays and calls his EHS is in fact consistent with agoraphobia. But because he is the biggest Boomer who ever boomed, the idea of admitting to a crippling neurochemical imbalance and getting the help he needs in order to make his life a good fraction of what it once was is more offensive to him than throwing his whole career and business down the toilet.
EDIT: The way Charles does not react at all when he is unaware of the electric items in his presence compared to when he is aware is pretty strong evidence of agoraphobia. He is extremely distressed by being outside of his home, but he rationalises the physical expressions with "EHS". This is why you never, ever conclude you have an illness using Doctor Search Engine.
Michael McKean said it best: "You don’t hit the self-destruct button on something when it isn’t beyond repair." Or something like that.
Chuck is easily a bad guy because most importantly I think, though he has saved Jimmy/Saul's ass before, he never made any attempt to help him reform. Instead of just denying Jimmy a job at their firm, Chuck made no attempt to try to comfort or compensate his brother on his emotional pain of being rejected, in fact Chuck deploying Howard to do his dirty work, only made things worse for everyone, instead of himself as the big brother who claims to have "moral superiority" making such a scumbag move to not even have the balls to tell his own brother the truth, but to get Howard to do it instead just shows Chuck doesn't have a leg to stand on when it's about the moral high ground.
And when Chuck decides to make everything about Jimmy, deeply personal, going out of his way to try to screw his younger brother, was just pouring gasoline on the fire. If he really was the "better" man, he would have acted like ii, but he was even more petty and vindictive.
Well Chuck did care about jimmy, which is pretty obvious. However his jealousy of Jimmy was often the thing steering Chuck’s choices.
I don’t think there’s a single person in Breaking Bad that makes Walter White Heisenberg (Other than Walter White).
Without Chuck, Jimmy doesn’t become Saul Goodman. That’s why he’s the truest antagonist in either show. He created Saul.
A point could be made that the persona of Saul Goodman was created after Jimmy and Kim broke up. He actually became another person, and it feels very much like Jimmy and Saul are different characters, just like Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader.
So while Chuck made Jimmy lose himself more and more, Kim was the final nail on the coffin for Saul Goodman to be born.
@@slipperysloper3721 I think years of pent up regrets and resentment from multiple events, multiple people, multiple slights just came to a head.
How many times can a man try to do the right thing, work hard, and play by the rules...and have so many disappointing results until he's had enough? First he had " plenty of time " , then he had no time...and Walter became Heisenberg.
I agreeee
I felt so sad when he died and I even quit the show for a little cuz I loved their dynamic with Jimmy so much
And I lost someone to hate on💔
Makes one wonder what would have happened if Chuck had been fine with Jimmy working with HHM, even for a few months to see just how well of a lawyer he could have been to the company. Worst case scenario is he does some Slippin’ Jimmy stuff when it comes to certain clients that perhaps are very important to the firm and he’s then fired. For the most part in season 1 he’s doing things by the book, obviously the stuff with the skaters was Slippin’ Jimmy, but overall he’s doing his best to be a legit lawyer as he’s doing his solo practice, especially when he went into elder law. Had Chuck embraced Jimmy when he came to him when he let him know he passed the bar and gave him a chance rather than set things up so him having a pretty decent start as a lawyer was shot, especially when Jimmy finds out it was Chuck the entire time, Jimmy eventually embracing that Slippin’ Jimmy side of him full time, which becomes Saul Goodman, after he has nothing left to keep him as Jimmy McGill the guy people really like is then inevitable. This could have been prevented had Chuck just for once gave his brother a chance and see if he truly changed his life around. Obviously he was happy with him being in the Mail Room, which of course is where he saw him just staying at unless he found another job that was legit and was perhaps even fit Jimmy more that wasn’t being a lawyer and still was able to lead a legitimate life. If Chuck for a moment thought there was more to Jimmy than this petty crook he always saw him as, then the events of Better Call Saul could have been different, same with Breaking Bad. Plus in the end, Jimmy does prove Chuck wrong in that he does change as he tells what happened regarding laundering Walt’s money, getting a cut of the money as well as turning a blind eye as much as he could regarding all the stuff he knew what was going on, thus forgoing his 7½ prison sentence to getting 86 years. Obviously Kim had a good influence in this decision, but he let go his Saul Goodman/Slippin’ Jimmy persona once and for all in the court room scene in Saul Gone. Obviously in prison, everyone calls him Saul, but he isn’t really embracing that side of him anymore. If Chuck was right than he would have gone with the original deal and never confessed to what really happened in Breaking Bad. Great video man, keep up the great work!
It really was a self fulfilling prophecy for Chuck. Awesome video man and great channel. Really enjoying your stuff!
Lalo terrified Jimmy Chuck stayed with Jimmy Forever haunting him
See I don't think Chuck hates Jimmy. I think Chuck is insanely jealous, and it infuriates him that Jimmy cuts corners and receives more attention than Chuck. Chuck and Jimmy both do horrible things to each other throughout the series, but there are scenes that show they do both love each other.
to paraphrase Misterz: "Chuck hates that Jimmy has the charisma that he doesn't."
I legit thought u were Nacho
I think Chuck may be the single person most responsible for the transformation of Jimmy into full on Saul Goodman. I'm not entirely sure how well he would have done in the more structured environment of somewhere like HHM. After all he did have issues fitting in at the other firm. But it almost seemed like he might have been happy doing predominantly elder law, with the odd side hustle, and waiting for the Sand Piper money to come in. I think Chuck engineering the suspension was the point of no return. Sure, he sabotaged his relationship with the old people himself but that was more due to an error in judgement over how badly it would affect Irene. Giving up the money to make that right shows that he does care about people. But after that he'd more or less ran out of avenues for attracting reputable clients and had been given a taste of the rewards from shadier practices.
The first watch I hated Chuck. The second I was on his side. But the third I realized how evil Chuck really is. But I do understand his motives. And i understand Jimmy also. He worshipped chuck.
Great vid man, keep it up. Have a great day, man.
Ultimately chuck was right when he said "always slippin jimmy" but it was he was the one who pushed his brother down that path by refusing to even believe in his brother's ability to go down a different one.
Chuck only cared about the word of the law to a tee without any respect to human emotion and how that might affect his partner Howard, his brother, or his ex-Wife. He was not evil per-se, more like an inanimate machine. He refused to retire because that's all he'd known, no emotion, just a servant of the law. Also exemplified by how he treated Ernie. Even after becoming estranged with his brother, when he killed himself, Jimmy felt true emotion in losing his brother.
Dude really said “succame” lol
Yes, Chuck was the better villain, as he hid in plain sight.
Amazing video. Agree with you very much, especially the part about Lalo being a bug and going away vs chuck as a constant
Chuck was a man of principles. And if anyone here had known one would know that their principles define their life. Jimmy used to cut corners and take shortcuts, even abuse the law which was sacred to Chuck.
So Chuck repeatedly warned Jimmy to change his behaviours but Jimmy saw life differently.
Eventually even if you don't like the fact but Chuck was always right. And the finale proved it as well as. Sure Chuck could have been less stern with Jimmy but Jimmy's personality was such that he was also his biggest enemy, always trying to deflect his feelings.
I think Chuck was the better villain in the first 3 seasons of Better Call Saul. To me there seemed to be main 2 villains in the first 3 seasons (chuck and hector salamanca) and then in the last 3 seasons the main villain was lalo salomanca.
Same
I get Chuck. I've worked hard my whole life while my brother had everything given to him. To the point where I was taken out of the will. My parents offered him everything meanwhile he hasn't had a job for years while I work in the nuclear field. I feel Chick's anger about Saul
You notice their personalities are reflected in their underlying reasons for being a lawyer.
Jimmy sticks up for the little guy, as a public defender, as Kim’s defender, and for criminals who are just stuck in a broken system (Saul does this too, just for nefarious purposes, but that’s a different discussion).
Whereas Chuck, who has said the law is, quote, “the idea that no matter who you are your actions have consequences.” He believes that the law is to be used as a punitive weapon, and he WIELDS it, without any care of who it hurts in the process. He’s a master at it.
I’d argue that Chuck is just as much of a scheming manipulative conman as Jimmy is, but he has the luxury of using legal means and resources to do so.
Great video thx
You’re welcome
Well done video, your great! You just gained a subscriber
Chuck in fact was crazy
Chuck and Jimmy are both right yet Jimmy causes others to be or act worse and even the letter Chuck wrote to Jimmy showed why Jimmy just a bad guy and Kim saw it.
Chuck is a prime example of how envy can cause destruction. His envy of his brother was atrocious as well as how he manipulated Howard
Do you have a Chuck in your life by any chance? Because it felt like you were coping through the video.
Lmao not that I know of…
Jimmy is responsible for his own actions, but can you really say that things would go the same way it Chuck was just proud of his brother instead of acting like a spoiled brat? Hes unbelieveably selfish and was willing to burn down his own firm with everybody inside just to feel like he had control.
Say what you will about Lalo but id bet hed never betray his kin like Chuck did.
5:45. it has nothing to do with nature vs nurture, you're describing labelling theory
Chuck was definitely a bigger villain than Lalo. While Lalo was a member of a drug cartel, his actions were primarily to protect and benefit his family. While being a well respected lawyer, Chuck's actions were always to harm his own family, regardless of how much they tried to help and support him. Even in the episodes with his ex-wife, when it's apparent that she's friendly to, and even likes Jimmy, he becomes very antagonistic toward her. For Chuck, you were only as useful to him as much as it benefited him. Lalo, on the other hand, can be seen helping his uncle after his stroke and caring for his family. For the whole nature vs nurture argument: by nature, Jimmy was "Slipping Jimmy". When he attempted to change and become a good, upstanding and respectable person, Chuck's nurture, as his older brother and only remaining family, prevented that leading to the Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman that we see throughout the rest of the series and in Breaking Bad.
Chuck was a very tragic antagonist.....
Fitting; most lawyers ARE villains...
why would you think ur one of the only people that thouight chuck was one of the best parts of the show, everyone thought that
EHS is a real condition but Chuck has a problem a lot of people make in this era self diagnosis.
Chuck's inferiority complex against his brother is truly sad. He was clearly always jealous of jimmy's charisma, and despite all his personal accomplisments he couldnt let his resentments go. If chuck hadnt put jimmy down and made him feel as though nothing he could do would make him more than a charlatan, i dont think jimmy wouldve gone down the path he did. I dont think Chuck really hates jimmy however. I mean he didnt have to help jimmy after the sunroof incident, he didnt have to give him a job in the mail room. Despite it all, in a weird complicated way chuck did love his brother, wanted to keep him close, but if that was to protect him from becoming "slippin jimmy" or to be assured jimmy never amounted to more, i dont think even chuck knew. It was for sure a deeply complex relationship, so many layers of jealousy, and resentment. By the end of chuck's run, he is consumed by his resentments, when he tells jimmy "you never really mattered much to me" to me it is a bold faced lie, because if jimmy truly didnt matter to him he wouldnt have stood in his way, and tried so hard to prevent him from being what he thought of as "slippin jimmy". I think the truth is chuck in that moment wanted to hurt jimmy, wound him, in a sort of cruel petty way.
I do think all these complexities and the fact that chuck is jimmys only family does make chuck the better villian. He tormented and changed jimmy psychologically for sure.
Chuck plays a bigger role in the development of Jimmy's character than Lalo.
Chuck being basically Jimmy's only real family constantly pulling strings behind his back to sabotage his career plays probably the biggest part in Jimmy becoming Saul and is what turns Jimmy more into the uncaring Saul of the BB series.
With Chuck's support and understanding it is likely Jimmy never really becomes Saul while probably still messing up at times probably eventually moving away from being a crooked lawyer.
Lalo is more of the boogeyman. He is there to keep Jimmy on his toes and teaches him to always be one step ahead of everyone else, but in the same sense so does Chuck.
Lalo's character is more for the character development of Gus.
Chuck deserved everything
I LOVE Lalo!!!! Tony Dalton made it a delight to watch BCS. My favorite character in BCS! Lalo is welcome in my house!!! Just saying!
It puzzles me that no video identifies Chuck as an extreme case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. This dismays me. As a victim of someone who has NPD, it is obvious to me that Chuck has NPD.
Psychologists are reluctant to make a diagnosis of a personality disorder because a personality disorder is WHO YOU ARE. It's not an illness, it is a personality. Symptoms: 1) A need to make others jump through hoops to attend to the narcissist (Chuck's phony "illness"), i.e., a manipulation revealing a need to exercise power in order to be the center of attention. 2) An inability to recognize other's feelings (a lack of any empathy for Jimmy, as you described so well). 3) The frequent employment of a false, "agreeable/amiable" face to manipulate and to disguise the narcissist's true intention (Chuck does this a lot, employing lies as part of the disguise.). 4) An obsession with revenge (Think: Trump), particularly against those who once trusted the narcissist and now see through the narcissist's abusive manipulation (Jimmy).
When Jimmy, a loving brother, does onerous daily deliveries to Chuck's house (at Jimmy's painful expense), Chuck cheerfully allows this to continue as an exercise of his power over Jimmy. Power is candy to a narcissist. Chuck, incapable of shame, takes pleasure in manipulation and exploitation. Narcissism
When Howard Hamlin decides that, for the sake of the survival of the law firm, he must persuade Chuck to retire, he then exercises exquisitely tactful, respectful, empathetic maneuvers to gently move Chuck toward withdrawal. For example, he reminds Chuck that Chuck had always wanted to teach students at a law school. Instead of yielding to this gentle persuasion, Chuck declares that he will nuke the law firm, willingly destroying the livelihoods of all who work there. Ugly, evil vengeance. Narcissism.
Chuck's choice of means for suicide is pure, evil narcissism. A decent person who commits suicide will do so in a way to cause the least distress to those left behind. Chuck, in contrast, chooses a means of suicide guaranteed to inflict the greatest possible horror and anguish upon those left behind. Narcissism.
Another misunderstanding of BCS
Thank you!
Chuck isn't a villain. He isn't even bad.
Lalo się not kill Howard for no reason. Howard had seen him, and as we all know, Salamancas never leave wittnesses.
He's not a villain, and he's not evil. He just has problems with his brother, envy and jealousy, otherwise he is a normal good person. If this is his worst sin, then how can he be a bad person? Jimmy is 10 times worse, in his youth he has already committed crimes, deceived people, what is it all about? I find it funny with people who think otherwise. Maybe Chuck could help Jimmy change, but he didn't make him like that. He was already like that in his youth, and Chuck saved him from prison.
I AM NOT CRAZY! I KNOW Chuck is worse I knew it since the beginning!
Chuck is my favorite character
You understood nothing if you really think Chuck was the biggest villain
A valid disagreement, but I don't think it's warranted to say that. I think it depends, Chuck may not have had the same level of real damaging impact to the world as say Lalo, Hector or Gus, but I think he exhibits a lot of the same traits (namely a burning need for the maximum respect and a cutthroat nature toward anyone he perceives to have equal or more of it) and, through his treatment of Jimmy, ended up creating a snowball of destruction too vast for even him to handle.
I think Chuck gets a lot of credit for being "right" about Jimmy, but I'm of the opinion that he was only right about it because he made it so. I think had he stepped in and been truly supportive of Jimmy, and incentivised him to do the right thing by offering him the opportunity to work alongside him at HHM, then Jimmy would never have needed to get involved with the Lalo, and never have enabled Walter to cause all the damage he did.
Jimmy hurt a lot of people, for a lot of reasons, with varying, and often dubious levels of justification, but he's a product of circumstance; of a cycle of behaviour he'd been rewarded for over and over, and was deprived of the means to break.
He may not be the most evil, but he's among the most ruthless, and, albeit indirectly, the most damage due to his unflinchingly judgemental nature, stubbornness and pride. He's as villainous as the other villains in the series, with an utter absence of loyalty, or intrinsic moral compass. It just so happens that his best interests are on the right side of the law.
Lalo was the worse villian. Chuck was jealous of Jimmy but he didn't make him who he was. No sibling owes you a jv sob. But he should have been up front and say that his firm was more conservative and he didn't think he was a good fit. Let Jimmy decide how much he wanted to help his brother after that. I have siblings who are very supportive if you stay in your lane. I can sense the change if going into their domain. The law Chuck felt was his domain. Jimmy was the favorite son. He made everyone laugh, he was the fun brother but Chuck was the successful lawyer. He would have been fine wth Jimmy doing whatever he wanted if it wasn't the law. Yeah it makes Chuck an insecure asshole but he wasn't a villian. He didn't owe his brother a career, one he was quite capable of doing on his own. Jimmy made his own choices. He had a chance to be a success in elder law but he took the mob lawyer route. Lalo gave him a chance to walk away but he didn't.
Well said. Chuck was a coward for not being upfront with Jimmy about his decision but I hate it when people thinks he owes Jimmy a cushy job fresh out of law school at one of the top law firms. People loves to criticize Chuck's influence on Jimmy, but no one bats an eye on what Jimmy was doing to Chuck because "he did it with a good heart". We can see in the show Jimmy was the #1 enabler of Chuck's mental disorder. Would Chuck be less defensive about Jimmy's change had he been less sick? We would never know, but certainly he wouldn't have killed himself. When Jimmy committed an actual felony in forging documents to get MV back to Kim he assumed Chuck would just shrug and move on with his life, which is a clear indication that he doesn't actually know his brother that well and how important Chuck views his law career, but Jimmy gets a free pass on that because "he did it with a good heart" to help Kim. The problem is in modern society people value intention more than consequences and feelings more than facts. BCS as well as BB are almost certainly shows about consequences, not intentions.
Also to add to your comments, Chuck wasn't even obstructive of Jimmy pursuing a law career outside of working at HMM. Chuck views HMM as his life's work and wanted Jimmy to stay clear of it. Outside of that he doesn't seem to care when Jimmy's working as a PD, doing his own solo practice, or working for Davis & Maine. Aside from that in the final scene we can see Chuck even offered Jimmy mentorship over PD cases, which Jimmy promptly turned down.
Chuck was actually the biggest tragic hero of the series.
I strongly disagree with this analysis. It's superficial, one-sided and a total misjudge of both brothers.
I would agrue here, but you need to see, cause it's about the characters feeling and out sympathy towards them.
And calling Gus or Hector NOT a main villain is just, well LOL
AND YOU GET TO MAKE THIS COMMENT?! WHAT A SICK JOKE! I should’ve stopped this comment when I had the chance! And you, you have to stop him…
@@jerrystakes :)
It is prefect (response)
@@kristoffarkas9909 differing opinions makes art so amazing, thanks for your input! 👍
@@jerrystakes Respectfully you may have got it wrong. For Chuck law was the sacred and he hated the fact that Jimmy disrespected and made mockery of law and there are tons of example of that in the show.
And that's why the shows main argument was people don't change and it was true for everyone except the finale.
And infact Jimmy was the villian of this show more than Chuck. His way of dealing with loss, failure and rejections drove him to become Saul and put on a facade to hide his true self and the pain
No.