It's might be too soon but this years Cincinnati Bearcats are definitely gonna need a look back video for this season. Wish they would've pulled off the Georgia win, but they're still an awesome team that has an easy argument for being snubbed this year.
The playoff teams all have one thing in common: large fan bases. ESPN wants to make their $$$. TCU is a small school. So is Baylor. They never had a chance.
@Luke Coulter I hear ya. I'm a TCU alum, so it smarts. But there is no doubt in my mind that ESPN was highly influential in the decision, and it was based on viewership. It really takes the fun out of it, when the playoff algorithm becomes 1.) first and foremost the largest fan bases, then 2.) who also have good teams. They really need to do something to improve the CFB playoffs.
@@austinhowser7838 And Baylor lost to WVU, a lesser ranked team. So TCU had a "good loss," losing to a high ranked Baylor, and then Baylor had a 'bad loss" losing to a lower ranked WVU. When TCU ended the year, after the bowl games, we were ranked #3 in the nation by both AP and Coaches Polls. Baylor was ranked #7 and 8 respectively.
How would it affect the NCAA's money? A surge would generate a shit ton of money for the NCAA and the school. BCS busters and teams like Cincy are great it creates a lot of buzz and hype for the media. Clemson isn't a blue blood or a little sister of the poor they're a program with a great amount of success historically from the seventies similar to Auburn. As a buckeye fan I hate the term blue blood because it sort of means like we only have the past to reminisce about (cough cough Notre Dame, Texas, USC, Miami, Tennessee, Nebraska) in my eyes you're great, good, average, below average, and shitty. Objectively, that decision came down to who the committee had more confidence in.
@@jakesullivan9179 your one of those Ohio St fans who just act like the team is the most dominant thing is MJ, shut tf up I’m an Ohio St. fan but fans like you are annoying asf🤦♂️. TCU got snubbed an that’s just facts Ohio St. may have beat them if they went hth but we don’t know that cause it never happened so please just stop.
@@jakesullivan9179 Ohio st. Is gonna generate more revenue if they make it over TCU cause Ohio St is just a team that makes more money in general TCU isn’t a big market Ohio St. on the other hand is🤦♂️.
@@ZachMeiester03 So you call me an irritating asshole based off of one belief which I think is pretty damn rude. Scott said the two reasons why the committee wasn't as confident to put TCU in compared to Ohio State. They didn't have a Big 12 championship game and TCU lost to a playoff caliber team in Baylor. The game that sealed it for Ohio State was the big ten championship when they tar and feathered Wisconsin was the tone that they believed that they deserved to be in. Say what you want but TCU had control of their own destiny until they lost to Baylor.
@@ScottFisherCFB 2010 TCU was arguably snubbed even worse. 1. Back to back undefeated seasons 2. 3 Top 25 wins 3. A 40 point road win over #6 Utah 4. Averaged a 30.4 margin of victory per game 5. Ranked #5 in total offense 6. Ranked #1 in total defense This team proves that the G5 will NEVER EVER EVER make a championship, because honestly what on earth could you possibly expect more from a team to do.
@@brian2440they made it this year finally! But I totally agree. They should've took Oregon's spot, Oregon beat a 5-4 Cal team(ended 5-7) by 2 points towards the end of the season. That game should've put TCU over them without a doubt!
@@69loverboy nah. They more teams the better. Gotta make the cfp like march madness, or even better, like the UCL. More teams = more upset opportunities
Yall up 14-0 I don't care for college football, I just started watching the CFB Playoff, hope yall go all the way. Upsetting Michigan and Georgia would be crazy for the Sport.
@@thomassankara1391 21-3 If the Bengals turned a 4-11-1 season into a sb appearence than tcu can do the same from 5-7 and no bowl to title game and hope they win This tournaround needs the happiest ending
@jonathanfrimerman8855 yeah they've played very good. I watched the Highlights of their game vs Kansas State and Max Duggan went crazy. I didn't realize there was a committee that chooses who does or doesn't go to the CFP. TCU was 12-1 I'm glad they put them in. I'm not shocked they're beating Michigan, I'm glad they're proving everyone wrong. I think TCU can win it all. Hopefully Ohio ST upsets Georgia cuz that would make it easier lol.
I was just talking about this one the other day. TCU and Baylor both played an impressive season and should have been given a shot at the playoffs. Sadly the B12 didn't have a conference championship and screwed both teams. But even if the B12 would have had a conference championship that year I have a feeling the B12 would have been left out. Baylor and TCU are both to small. Hell when I went to the B12 championship between OU and Baylor in 2019 the Baylor fans didn't even come close to filling up the bottom half of their side of the stadium. Where as OU fans took up nearly 3/4 of the place. But on their sideline there were a lot of empty seats. So I doubt a school like Baylor will ever be given a chance at the playoff until they make it a true playoff.
They quite likely could’ve won the natty that year based off of all the good teams they beat, plus they beat Ole Miss (who had the best defense that year and beat Bane) by 39
Playoff in 2014: "Early season struggles are forgivable. Oh, and you need to win an outright conference title game to make the playoff. So that's why Ohio State got in over TCU and Baylor" Playoff in 2016: "Just because Penn State beat Ohio State head-to-head and won the Big Ten championship game doesn't mean they should get in. They struggled early in the season and we can't overlook that, even if they were dealing with a ton of injuries. Besides, Urban Meyer is our special boy and our contract with the Buckeyes doesn't expire for another year." You hit the nail on the head, it's all about branding. TCU and Baylor were both more deserving of making the playoff in 2014 than Ohio State, but the Buckeyes are a bigger brand. Same thing happened in 2016. Would love to see an 8 team playoff because that might rectify the issue, but even then, who knows?
It’s not binary, early season struggles aren’t the same. Penn State had a 39 point loss to Michigan in addition to a loss to Pitt. Penn State is not far behind OSU from a branding perspective. The difference in 2014 was a 59 point win in an actual conference championship
@@CJ-vq8jw But Ohio State losing by 17 to 7-6 team is irrelevant???? Talk about double standard.... Never mind TCU had a 21 Point Top 10 win just three weeks prior. Never mind the fact that TCU blew out their last four opponents 178-63. In the same time Ohio State beat opponents 174-79.
@@brian2440 I never said the loss to VT was irrelevant. I don’t think you understand double standards. 1 early season loss is not the same as 2 early season losses, especially when 1 of the 2 losses was by 39. Lol why did you even bother posting the score differentials after calculating them, the difference is marginal.
@@CJ-vq8jw Because your insinuating that with their game Agaimsy Wisconsin they dominated everyone they played more than TCU dominated who they played. Why does Ohio State get extra credit beating #12 Wisconsin by 59, but TCU gets nothing beating #7 Kansas State by 21?
@@brian2440 No, I'm insinuating that their win over Wisconsin was more impressive than any other win. Who said TCU got nothing for beating KSU? That's a good win, just not as good. KSU lost to Auburn in a close game that year - UW beat Auburn in a close game. The difference in ranking is marginal and the actual quality of both teams is even closer, only 59 > 21.
@@tylerhumpfer2493 using your own words...TCU LOST at Baylor. TCU would only have an argument if they had not played Baylor. If two teams are tied the universal tie breaker has always been head to head. That is why Baylor finished 5th in the Final CFP rankings, and TCU finished 6th. This video should be renamed to why Baylor got Robbed. Baylor's best win (TCU) was better than any win Ohio St had. They both had 14 point losses.
Baylor got into field goal position on a questionable pass interference call at the end of the game. Even the announcers questioned the call. The Frogs were indeed screwed.
TCU and Boise State will always have a special place in my heart just as a college football fan. Always love to see these teams win and always hope they do.
I always believed kellen moore Boise teams and Andy dalton tcu were the two absolute best teams in the country and nobody wanted to face them. The system was terrible to them. They were truly incredible. I’ll never forgive the bcs
I remember Mike Ditka on ESPN on Sunday NFL Countdown before the CFP Selection Special wore a TCU Superfrog head to support them. It was to support his former teammate Bob Lilly, a TCU alum, whom he also played against both in college and the NFL.
I’m a longtime TCU fan and recent graduate... I’m still hurt by this. Our 2014 season was amazing and so was the talent on our team. Went to every home game that year and was shocked yet thrilled at our Peach Bowl performance.
As a Fort Worth resident, I was livid when TCU got dropped from 3 to 6. After beating Iowa State by 50. Worse yet, they got dropped for a brand name. In the years since then, the CFP has always used the “eye test” to favor the brand names, yet when TCU would have passed that, they got snubbed. Total bs
@John Cena it’s not that neither of those teams didn’t pass the eye test (quite frankly, that year showed me that four teams was too few), the problem is that TCU got dropped even though they had done everything you could have asked of them
I remember this team when they weren’t be able to participate in the playoffs, I was surprised about it, but despite their snub, they have been an amazing team to watch, but usually I always forget about that season , since the next season had that game where the frogs made a massive comeback and won over Oregon in the Alamo bowl. That was a season to never forget for how the years ended for TCU.
Leaving both TCU and Baylor out in 2014 because of the Big 12 not having a conference championship game should've set a precedent that decisions made by the conferences can affect the eligibility of teams within those conferences. Moreover, teams that have not reached 10 wins by the time of bowl selection should not be up for playoff consideration. I think you see where I'm going with this.
That was only ‘cause the division system is stupid. OST has fewer total losses but lost their one game to PSU, so a 2 loss team got to the title game over then.
@@danielwest9955 Then don’t have conferences If you can’t be the best team in your conference, you have no business trying to be the best team in the country
@@lordrayden3045 The structure does need some reworking. Since it’s only based on in-conference games, a 4 loss team (with three out of conference losses) could knock out a 1 loss team for a spot in a Conference Championship game.
I think that UCF being snubbed is worse than TCU in 2018 considering they were 25-0 being undefeated for two whole seasons while beating Auburn in bowl game.
@@Skipatronic I meant during the regular season. Obviously bowl victories aren’t gonna factor into deciding the rankings, which are determined at the end of the regular season. And even so, there’s a difference between playing one ranked team and a bunch of weak teams verses playing in a stronger conference with multiple ranked teams
@@mikerivera373 TCU had their chance and blew it by losing. If they wouldn't have lost they would have been in. UCF on the other hand goes 13-0 in 2017 and then 12-0 in 2018 and still didn't make it. How many years has TCU gone undefeated??
@@joshntn37111 would TCU have gone undefeated if they were playing in the American Athletic Conference in 2014? Considering they only barely lost to #5 Baylor, I think any reasonable person could say that yes, they would have. I realize that UCF did everything they could have, but being in a mid-major conference verses being in a power 5 conference makes all the difference in the world. If you think I'm not being fair, look at the record when mid-major teams play power 5 teams. UCF beating all of those teams is not as impressive as TCU going 11-1 in the Big 12 (especially in 2014 when like half the conference was ranked)
@@andrewdaniel459 Tell me if this is a championship caliber team: X Team - Back to Back undefeated seasons - 4 Top 25 wins, 2 Top 10 wins - Beat #6 by 40 on the road - Beat B10 champion - #5 total offense - #1 total defense - 30.4 margin of victory per game
Please do an isu doc (since campbell). As an isu fan weve had some talent and some big wins but i love watching these teams no matter their record. Love seeing them play every single year.
Both Baylor and TCU got screwed by the Big XII because the Big XII went away from the concept on one true champion when Baylor defeated TCU in a head to head matchup. Ohio State deserved to be there.
I mean Ohio St. shut out wisconsin in the conference championship. but yes if they had got to play a Big 12 Conference Championship they probably wouldve made it in. and then got destroyed by alabama
The thing that never gets talked about is that FSU didn't belong in the playoff. They were undefeated in the regular season but they were in a lot of close games with lesser ACC teams down the stretch, not exactly passing the eye-test. IMO they got a guaranteed spot from the committee because they were a defending national champion. They of course got completely destroyed by Oregon who subsequently got completely destroyed by OSU. In short FSU was who really should have been left out.
I don’t like revisiting that 2014 B1G championship game, from Gary Andersen abandoning Wisconsin practically right before the game to the eventual result of 59-0.
@@matthewhaselhorst1778 ironic you have the kstate logo But let’s continue with that logic So didn’t Baylor deserve to be in over tcu ? I mean they did beat them that year right ?
I was excited they finally got a playoff...then immediately lost interest after TCU got snubbed. The FCS is way more exciting to watch. I love their playoffs.
Baylor was the true Big 12 Champ that year by beating this TCU team. Baylor got robbed by the Big 12 not having a pair to crown them as true Champions, not TCU.
Great video! Just because Ohio State won that year doesn't mean TCU wasn't the better team. The eye test and competition favored TCU over Ohio State big time. The Committee flat out made that decision about money and Ohio State reaped the benefit again in 2020.
As a TCU alumni and A student during the time in question.. it was Heart breaking and Leaves a BAD taste in my mouth to this day yet what makes it A little easier to swallow is the fact OSU went on to win it all. It didn't help that The Big 12 Decided against a conference championship game if TCU would have won a Confrence championship TCU would have Made it in
it is real telling how TCU got left out after playing 1 less game in 2014, yet OSU got in playing anywhere from 3-5 less games then the others in the running this season.
Yes becuase of covid was there a world wide pandemic that year no and anyways osu was the national champion that year so tcu fans have 0 room to complain
@@spencerblake9672 TCU has every right to complain they were #3 before hand and got dropped for no reason out of the spot. whose to say they weren't better then OSU?? TCU put up over 40 pts on one of the best defenses of the season.
Crazy how right you were and now they are finally getting the respect they deserve this year! As an okstate fan they have my full support to show the world the big 12 is still here! Go frogs!
I rem that great hf team I was really into the collegiate game that year there was no was no to justiphy that period u can't say osu won the right decision was made u know how hard it is to win at that formatted damn near impossible that's where words come into play a good coach got to know to mesh all that together the college game is all momentum not just for that 1 game but for a season that's why the good ones say they get more outta see there recruit successful in life than the on gridiron cause the good schools and parents in the future will use that as a criteria when considering the as a leader to mold there children in nephew or whoever those days need to comeback to the game and also give those coaches like Gary Patterson more of a spotlight in the collegate game
Everyone forgets the real story of this season: Florida State had no business being in the top 4. They somehow just never lost so the committee was forced to put them in at #3. It should’ve been Bama, Oregon, Big12 winner, Ohio State. But these fools in Tallahassee didn’t drop a game like they should’ve at least 3 times. The committee couldn’t snub an undefeated Power 5 champion because they looked bad doing it every week. So they really took Baylor/TCU’s spot. They finally got exposed in the Rose Bowl though.
@@danielwest9955 The Jamies Winston Fumble meme. Multiple memes and gifs about his fumble during the Rose Bowl. Winston, by his own acts, became a walking meme factory while at FSU. Not knocking the kid, he did well as an athlete in college, but the memes were abundant.
There was only two situations that screwed TCU..... 1.Big 12 Commissioner: Bob Bowlsby promoting a 10 team format (while still calling themselves "The Big 12") and claiming the "One true champion" because everyone plays each other. Then go against that and think they were being slick by claiming TCU & Baylor as Co-Champions to the Committee (That decision made it more convenient to go with Ohio St).... 2.The loss to Baylor put both teams at 8-1 and with Baylor with the "head to head" W made Baylor the outright Big 12 Champion not a Co-Champion like it or not, Ohio St deserved to be there but, yeah TCU and that Baylor team were probably just as deserving.
TCU dismantled Ol Miss in the bowl game and Ol Miss had beaten Alabama that year. I don’t believe that TCU would have had any trouble winning the whole thing that year had they been given a shot.
Will never forget how incredible Boise State and TCU were back from 2008-2011. The Kellen Moore Boise teams and Andy Dalton tcu squads were forces!!… bcs treated them terribly. The only teams that could beat Boise and tcu back then were Boise and tcu. Such a shame they got left out of so many major games
It’s truly a shame that the CFP are so skewed and refuse to give smaller teams a shot Sometimes it’s just a magical year but college doesn’t allow that
Hate when people says they should’ve gotten in over FSU. Noles was the defending champs, had Winston and was riding a 20+ winning streak. Also was undefeated unlike TCU.
You're GONNA get SCREWED by The PLAYOFF COMMITTEE if Your Fanbase isn't BIG enough. We DIDN'T even ask for a Committee, just a COMPUTER selected 4 Team Playoff.
@@clightning9703 Says the one crying in RUclips comments lmfao. Do you feel better now that you've vented to strangers? Does it feel like you have people to talk to?
@@justinalley3399 No it wasn’t. And interesting how you make that argument, yet the same logic could apply to TCU playing Baylor Let’s not forget Ohio State beat a 7-6 Penn State in 2OT or beat a 8-5 Minnesota by 7.
Looking back on it, Florida State really should have gotten left out. Yes, they were undefeated, but they were just barely beating a bunch of bad teams. If the committee is gonna use the bullshit “eye test” to decide the four best teams, it should actually stand by that and not just use it to justify favoring the brand names
I started liking TCU the year they got left out, but I can't say they got robbed too badly that year, as they lost to Boise st. Think it was 6 to 7 final score
This just showed that name is more important than resume. TCU had an objectively better resume in 2014. The college football playoff is actually ruining college football at this point.
Even if Ohio State didn't make it in the playoff, the committee would've picked Baylor over TCU due to the head-to-head tiebreaker. It honestly blows my mind how many people forget TCU choked mad hard against Baylor, and wouldn't have made it regardless of if OSU or Baylor would've been the choice. If TCU fans want to still be angry over getting snubbed for the eventual champs, be mad at Florida State. They were flirting with disaster on an almost weekly basis that season. They were the undefeated defending champs and still were ranked 3rd behind two one-loss teams because of how badly they played all season.
Unfortunately the first year of the playoff conference championships mattered an the big 12 did not have one. So yes should they have been in yeah maybe but the big 12 screwed TCU out of the playoff. By not having one.
Here is what I think. #1: TCU should’ve been in the playoff, but got robbed of it. #2: The reason why they jumped from 3 to 6 was because Ohio state, Oregon, and Florida state were bigger school names than TCU and didn’t want them in there. #3: The College football playoff committee doesn’t like the Big 12 at all. They all ways have the SEC and Ohio state shoved down our throats. (They get forced to put Clemson on because there good and wouldn’t make since if there were left out) #4: TCU embarrassed and dominated a Ole Miss team that Defeated the Number 1 team in the country, Alabama and Defeated the Number 4 team in Mississippi state. 5: All the evidence on why TCU was robbed. They would’ve ran the table.
BIG12 Conference holds just as much responsibility. They refused to declare a conference champion (either Baylor or TCU). Thus helping to give the selection committee an easy out, by saying they were selecting a true conference champion. In Ohio State's defense, they did show up to play. I think the real pretender in that final four was FSU.
2014 seems so long ago. Patterson has allowed the team to regress since then and has the gall to to take offense if pointed out. They've gone from national contender and weekly NCAA tv features to can't make a bowl. They had the blueprint for success and replaced it with complacency. If Patterson had retired 3 years ago and this was the program of his successor, this guy would have been fired.
Nice video, just one thing: you don’t have to say a player took a pick six to the house. If it’s a pick six then it’s already understood it went to the house.
I am a lifelong Frog fan and, of course, agree the Frogs were screwed by the Prom Queen Nomination Committee. Here's the opening of the ESPN recap of the Peach Bowl win: "Gary Patterson knew just what to say when asked if TCU's rout of Mississippi was a statement the Horned Frogs should have been in the four-team playoff. " 'I don't think I have to say anything,' Patterson said. "No need. The Horned Frogs said it all on the field." www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400610182
Honestly, TCU got screwed by the Big 12 trying to have their cake and eat it too by declaring TCU AND Baylor co-champions. Baylor was ranked lower but had the tiebreaker for the outright division title since they had beaten TCU. Instead of sticking up for one of the two schools, they diluted the value of their conference title by splitting it up and this allowed Ohio State to overtake them. The TCU/Baylor debacle is the main reason the Big 12 now plays a championship game to determine an outright conference champion.
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What is another team I should take a look at?
2020 Kansas Jayhawks😤💪
@@downsouthhighlights a real dominate team. I can’t believe they were snubbed from the playoffs
It's might be too soon but this years Cincinnati Bearcats are definitely gonna need a look back video for this season. Wish they would've pulled off the Georgia win, but they're still an awesome team that has an easy argument for being snubbed this year.
2016 Michigan
Totally agree
The playoff teams all have one thing in common: large fan bases. ESPN wants to make their $$$. TCU is a small school. So is Baylor. They never had a chance.
You have insulted me
@@danielwhitworth5852 Huh????
@Luke Coulter I hear ya. I'm a TCU alum, so it smarts. But there is no doubt in my mind that ESPN was highly influential in the decision, and it was based on viewership. It really takes the fun out of it, when the playoff algorithm becomes 1.) first and foremost the largest fan bases, then 2.) who also have good teams. They really need to do something to improve the CFB playoffs.
@@Riverweb Baylor beat you.
@@austinhowser7838 And Baylor lost to WVU, a lesser ranked team. So TCU had a "good loss," losing to a high ranked Baylor, and then Baylor had a 'bad loss" losing to a lower ranked WVU. When TCU ended the year, after the bowl games, we were ranked #3 in the nation by both AP and Coaches Polls. Baylor was ranked #7 and 8 respectively.
The playoff is all about money not having the 4 best teams every year
Blue bloods rule the land that's why they don't want Miami to re-emerge or my Clemson tigers to keep messing up their money
How would it affect the NCAA's money? A surge would generate a shit ton of money for the NCAA and the school. BCS busters and teams like Cincy are great it creates a lot of buzz and hype for the media. Clemson isn't a blue blood or a little sister of the poor they're a program with a great amount of success historically from the seventies similar to Auburn. As a buckeye fan I hate the term blue blood because it sort of means like we only have the past to reminisce about (cough cough Notre Dame, Texas, USC, Miami, Tennessee, Nebraska) in my eyes you're great, good, average, below average, and shitty. Objectively, that decision came down to who the committee had more confidence in.
@@jakesullivan9179 your one of those Ohio St fans who just act like the team is the most dominant thing is MJ, shut tf up I’m an Ohio St. fan but fans like you are annoying asf🤦♂️. TCU got snubbed an that’s just facts Ohio St. may have beat them if they went hth but we don’t know that cause it never happened so please just stop.
@@jakesullivan9179 Ohio st. Is gonna generate more revenue if they make it over TCU cause Ohio St is just a team that makes more money in general TCU isn’t a big market Ohio St. on the other hand is🤦♂️.
@@ZachMeiester03 So you call me an irritating asshole based off of one belief which I think is pretty damn rude. Scott said the two reasons why the committee wasn't as confident to put TCU in compared to Ohio State. They didn't have a Big 12 championship game and TCU lost to a playoff caliber team in Baylor. The game that sealed it for Ohio State was the big ten championship when they tar and feathered Wisconsin was the tone that they believed that they deserved to be in. Say what you want but TCU had control of their own destiny until they lost to Baylor.
I’m a tcu fan and I didn’t think that we would be left out of the playoff I was stunned
It was crazy man. So dumb
@@ScottFisherCFB osu would have destroyed tcu worse than oregon
I remember that season and Tcu was clearly better but they didn't have the fan base or money that osu had. Just business
Sry if we took the spot but we had better talent and would probaly smack TCU head to head
@@faizali2200 Just like they smacked the unranked VT earlier that year?
Even though they weren’t really a championship game snub, I’d like to see a video about the 2010-11 TCU team that finished 2nd
I think that would be cool!
@@ScottFisherCFB 2010 TCU was arguably snubbed even worse.
1. Back to back undefeated seasons
2. 3 Top 25 wins
3. A 40 point road win over #6 Utah
4. Averaged a 30.4 margin of victory per game
5. Ranked #5 in total offense
6. Ranked #1 in total defense
This team proves that the G5 will NEVER EVER EVER make a championship, because honestly what on earth could you possibly expect more from a team to do.
@@brian2440they made it this year finally! But I totally agree. They should've took Oregon's spot, Oregon beat a 5-4 Cal team(ended 5-7) by 2 points towards the end of the season. That game should've put TCU over them without a doubt!
they need to expand playoff
I want a 16 team playoff
@@andrewshnayderman3389 or 8
@@andrewshnayderman3389 why 16? That's way too much. 8 or 10 is good 5 conference winners and the next best 5
@@69loverboy nah. They more teams the better. Gotta make the cfp like march madness, or even better, like the UCL. More teams = more upset opportunities
They have expanded the playoffs now. Up to 12 teams now
Can they relly be a snub if they were replaced by the national champion
What he’s trying to say is maybe if Oklahoma had not got picked they could have been the champs
We are talking about the actual selection day.
@@ScottFisherCFB yeah man, I think it's just proper to play the conf title b4 the pwayawf... sarry
Yes. Also the decisions made for selection in 2017 completely contradict 2014
@@brian2440 no.
I love you Scott fisher!!! Thank you so much this means the world that you chose my idea
No problem man!!! Hope you enjoyed it!
4:19, TCU was definitely better than Florida State in 2014
Nah FSU was a different breed those.2 yrs with Winston
@@timothytizon4711 didn't they get shit on by Oregon?
@@crms00n6 Yeah 😂 and then Ohio State shit on them.
@@lukepotters5971 so TCU shouldve been given the chance. They wouldve beated FSU for sure that team lost too much talent that year
@@udayanchidambaram5340 I agree. They should’ve been 3rd in FL states place.
I went to TCU the year after and the feeling is mutual! We are gonna make it this year.
You did they want a revange run after getting screwed in 2014
Yall up 14-0 I don't care for college football, I just started watching the CFB Playoff, hope yall go all the way. Upsetting Michigan and Georgia would be crazy for the Sport.
It would also be good after alk the times they were screwed
@@thomassankara1391 21-3
If the Bengals turned a 4-11-1 season into a sb appearence than tcu can do the same from 5-7 and no bowl to title game and hope they win
This tournaround needs the happiest ending
@jonathanfrimerman8855 yeah they've played very good. I watched the Highlights of their game vs Kansas State and Max Duggan went crazy. I didn't realize there was a committee that chooses who does or doesn't go to the CFP. TCU was 12-1 I'm glad they put them in. I'm not shocked they're beating Michigan, I'm glad they're proving everyone wrong. I think TCU can win it all. Hopefully Ohio ST upsets Georgia cuz that would make it easier lol.
I was just talking about this one the other day. TCU and Baylor both played an impressive season and should have been given a shot at the playoffs. Sadly the B12 didn't have a conference championship and screwed both teams. But even if the B12 would have had a conference championship that year I have a feeling the B12 would have been left out. Baylor and TCU are both to small. Hell when I went to the B12 championship between OU and Baylor in 2019 the Baylor fans didn't even come close to filling up the bottom half of their side of the stadium. Where as OU fans took up nearly 3/4 of the place. But on their sideline there were a lot of empty seats. So I doubt a school like Baylor will ever be given a chance at the playoff until they make it a true playoff.
They quite likely could’ve won the natty that year based off of all the good teams they beat, plus they beat Ole Miss (who had the best defense that year and beat Bane) by 39
I totally agree!
*beat Bama
@@orangeflaws8088 we didn’t beat bama by 39. It was like a touchdown difference
@@nickmurphy6753 I said that TCU beat Ole Miss by 39 and that Ole Miss beat Bama
Playoff in 2014: "Early season struggles are forgivable. Oh, and you need to win an outright conference title game to make the playoff. So that's why Ohio State got in over TCU and Baylor"
Playoff in 2016: "Just because Penn State beat Ohio State head-to-head and won the Big Ten championship game doesn't mean they should get in. They struggled early in the season and we can't overlook that, even if they were dealing with a ton of injuries. Besides, Urban Meyer is our special boy and our contract with the Buckeyes doesn't expire for another year."
You hit the nail on the head, it's all about branding. TCU and Baylor were both more deserving of making the playoff in 2014 than Ohio State, but the Buckeyes are a bigger brand. Same thing happened in 2016. Would love to see an 8 team playoff because that might rectify the issue, but even then, who knows?
It’s not binary, early season struggles aren’t the same. Penn State had a 39 point loss to Michigan in addition to a loss to Pitt. Penn State is not far behind OSU from a branding perspective. The difference in 2014 was a 59 point win in an actual conference championship
@@CJ-vq8jw But Ohio State losing by 17 to 7-6 team is irrelevant???? Talk about double standard....
Never mind TCU had a 21 Point Top 10 win just three weeks prior. Never mind the fact that TCU blew out their last four opponents 178-63. In the same time Ohio State beat opponents 174-79.
@@brian2440 I never said the loss to VT was irrelevant. I don’t think you understand double standards. 1 early season loss is not the same as 2 early season losses, especially when 1 of the 2 losses was by 39. Lol why did you even bother posting the score differentials after calculating them, the difference is marginal.
@@CJ-vq8jw Because your insinuating that with their game Agaimsy Wisconsin they dominated everyone they played more than TCU dominated who they played.
Why does Ohio State get extra credit beating #12 Wisconsin by 59, but TCU gets nothing beating #7 Kansas State by 21?
@@brian2440 No, I'm insinuating that their win over Wisconsin was more impressive than any other win. Who said TCU got nothing for beating KSU? That's a good win, just not as good. KSU lost to Auburn in a close game that year - UW beat Auburn in a close game. The difference in ranking is marginal and the actual quality of both teams is even closer, only 59 > 21.
Baylor was more deserving than TCU in 2014. Baylor and TCU had same record and Baylor beat TCU.
TCU lost at Baylor by a FG. Baylor lost to a 7-6 WVU by 14..
@@tylerhumpfer2493 using your own words...TCU LOST at Baylor.
TCU would only have an argument if they had not played Baylor.
If two teams are tied the universal tie breaker has always been head to head.
That is why Baylor finished 5th in the Final CFP rankings, and TCU finished 6th.
This video should be renamed to why Baylor got Robbed.
Baylor's best win (TCU) was better than any win Ohio St had. They both had 14 point losses.
@@Damianoutlaw 59-0 win against the #13 is better than a 3 point win against a number 6 team.
Baylor got into field goal position on a questionable pass interference call at the end of the game. Even the announcers questioned the call. The Frogs were indeed screwed.
Haha now that 2014 TCU dude can finally give you other new video ideas. Great suggestion and actual video though!
Lmao. Yup, this will make his day!
It would be easy to say that they were a snub if OSU didn’t win the natty, but since OSU won were they really snubbed?
tcu would’ve been in over FSU.
Now we're back on top. Thanks for the vid Scott
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TCU and Boise State will always have a special place in my heart just as a college football fan. Always love to see these teams win and always hope they do.
I always believed kellen moore Boise teams and Andy dalton tcu were the two absolute best teams in the country and nobody wanted to face them.
The system was terrible to them. They were truly incredible. I’ll never forgive the bcs
@@Mountaindwell4Boise went 50-3 over 4 seasons and only got to play 1 power conference team in the post season after beating OU in 2007
All of my College Football Team Documentary's: ruclips.net/p/PLCwDMhVtyOHgI0PYz7uTKsfkV0mrj0_17
I remember Mike Ditka on ESPN on Sunday NFL Countdown before the CFP Selection Special wore a TCU Superfrog head to support them. It was to support his former teammate Bob Lilly, a TCU alum, whom he also played against both in college and the NFL.
I’m a longtime TCU fan and recent graduate... I’m still hurt by this. Our 2014 season was amazing and so was the talent on our team. Went to every home game that year and was shocked yet thrilled at our Peach Bowl performance.
Great video man! As a tcu student, i felt this pain watching as a fan...
TCU was very good that year. I was hoping they make it.
As a Fort Worth resident, I was livid when TCU got dropped from 3 to 6. After beating Iowa State by 50. Worse yet, they got dropped for a brand name. In the years since then, the CFP has always used the “eye test” to favor the brand names, yet when TCU would have passed that, they got snubbed. Total bs
@John Cena it’s not that neither of those teams didn’t pass the eye test (quite frankly, that year showed me that four teams was too few), the problem is that TCU got dropped even though they had done everything you could have asked of them
I remember this team when they weren’t be able to participate in the playoffs, I was surprised about it, but despite their snub, they have been an amazing team to watch, but usually I always forget about that season , since the next season had that game where the frogs made a massive comeback and won over Oregon in the Alamo bowl. That was a season to never forget for how the years ended for TCU.
The four best team that year were “OSU, Oregon, Bama, and TCU” but you can’t leave an undefeated team out though. That’s just hindsight though 🤷🏼♂️
Leaving both TCU and Baylor out in 2014 because of the Big 12 not having a conference championship game should've set a precedent that decisions made by the conferences can affect the eligibility of teams within those conferences. Moreover, teams that have not reached 10 wins by the time of bowl selection should not be up for playoff consideration. I think you see where I'm going with this.
Funny they didn't care about Osu playing one this year.
Yet interestingly 2014 seems to be the only year in which winning your conference actually mattered....
How convenient
how were they robbed when the team above them won the natty
That's crazy, in the first year of the CFP, it was clear that it needed to be bigger.
2016 penn state. They won the big 10(usually a playoff bid) and beat ohio state who got in, but ohio state got blown out in thd playoff.
Good idea
Great idea! That could be my next one
That was only ‘cause the division system is stupid. OST has fewer total losses but lost their one game to PSU, so a 2 loss team got to the title game over then.
@@danielwest9955
Then don’t have conferences
If you can’t be the best team in your conference, you have no business trying to be the best team in the country
@@lordrayden3045 The structure does need some reworking. Since it’s only based on in-conference games, a 4 loss team (with three out of conference losses) could knock out a 1 loss team for a spot in a Conference Championship game.
I think that UCF being snubbed is worse than TCU in 2018 considering they were 25-0 being undefeated for two whole seasons while beating Auburn in bowl game.
UCF were playing a bunch of nobodies. TCU was murdering ranked teams. Their snub was worse.
@@mikerivera373 so I guess beating Auburn who beat both Georgia and Bama are nobodies.
@@Skipatronic I meant during the regular season. Obviously bowl victories aren’t gonna factor into deciding the rankings, which are determined at the end of the regular season. And even so, there’s a difference between playing one ranked team and a bunch of weak teams verses playing in a stronger conference with multiple ranked teams
@@mikerivera373 TCU had their chance and blew it by losing. If they wouldn't have lost they would have been in. UCF on the other hand goes 13-0 in 2017 and then 12-0 in 2018 and still didn't make it. How many years has TCU gone undefeated??
@@joshntn37111 would TCU have gone undefeated if they were playing in the American Athletic Conference in 2014? Considering they only barely lost to #5 Baylor, I think any reasonable person could say that yes, they would have. I realize that UCF did everything they could have, but being in a mid-major conference verses being in a power 5 conference makes all the difference in the world. If you think I'm not being fair, look at the record when mid-major teams play power 5 teams. UCF beating all of those teams is not as impressive as TCU going 11-1 in the Big 12 (especially in 2014 when like half the conference was ranked)
BJ Catalon was the starting RB going into the season. Green didn’t become the starter until Catalon was injured against West Virginia.
Ahhh
The college football is all about the big brands I think it is mostly political
it’s abt big brands bc they’re the best teams lol
@@andrewdaniel459 -laughs in notre dame-
@@andrewdaniel459 you probably listen to all the espn shot
@@andrewdaniel459 Tell me if this is a championship caliber team:
X Team
- Back to Back undefeated seasons
- 4 Top 25 wins, 2 Top 10 wins
- Beat #6 by 40 on the road
- Beat B10 champion
- #5 total offense
- #1 total defense
- 30.4 margin of victory per game
@@brian2440 what conference do they play in
TCU got screwed in 2010 . They were the best team in the country. They got screwed again in 2014 by not being invited to the playoffs.
Please do an isu doc (since campbell). As an isu fan weve had some talent and some big wins but i love watching these teams no matter their record. Love seeing them play every single year.
As an ok state fan, I have a respectful dislike for y’all (especially in basketball). Y’all always give us fits even in down years
I can't believe how many people are still hurt by this.
Both Baylor and TCU got screwed by the Big XII because the Big XII went away from the concept on one true champion when Baylor defeated TCU in a head to head matchup. Ohio State deserved to be there.
I mean Ohio St. shut out wisconsin in the conference championship. but yes if they had got to play a Big 12 Conference Championship they probably wouldve made it in. and then got destroyed by alabama
The thing that never gets talked about is that FSU didn't belong in the playoff. They were undefeated in the regular season but they were in a lot of close games with lesser ACC teams down the stretch, not exactly passing the eye-test. IMO they got a guaranteed spot from the committee because they were a defending national champion. They of course got completely destroyed by Oregon who subsequently got completely destroyed by OSU. In short FSU was who really should have been left out.
I don’t like revisiting that 2014 B1G championship game, from Gary Andersen abandoning Wisconsin practically right before the game to the eventual result of 59-0.
2017 Wisconsin Badgers were 12-0 going into the Big Ten Championship Game and lost and got left out.
Ohio State won the National Championship though...
If Ohio state had 1 and doned I’d listen to more tcu arguments but the team that jumped them won it all
And TCU never got the chance to do the same thing. Blew out Ole Miss So that proves they could’ve done it
@@matthewhaselhorst1778 ole miss and Alabama are two different programs lmao
@@armandovallejr1576 yes they are genius. Ole Miss BEAT BAMA in 2014. 😉
@@matthewhaselhorst1778 ironic you have the kstate logo
But let’s continue with that logic
So didn’t Baylor deserve to be in over tcu ? I mean they did beat them that year right ?
Should've been 1. Bama 2. Oregon 3. Osu 4. TCU
I was excited they finally got a playoff...then immediately lost interest after TCU got snubbed. The FCS is way more exciting to watch. I love their playoffs.
Baylor was the true Big 12 Champ that year by beating this TCU team. Baylor got robbed by the Big 12 not having a pair to crown them as true Champions, not TCU.
Great video! Just because Ohio State won that year doesn't mean TCU wasn't the better team. The eye test and competition favored TCU over Ohio State big time. The Committee flat out made that decision about money and Ohio State reaped the benefit again in 2020.
VT defense that year was ranked top ten
@k-hustlethesportspreacher5941 haha wrong Ohio state was the better team
@@thespot5722 that was also the first game in the season where Ohio state also all new starters and the youngest team in college football that season
i missed 2014 when baylor and tcu were in playoff contention. When was the last time we saw a mid-low power 5 team in playoff contention? Washington?
As a TCU alumni and A student during the time in question.. it was Heart breaking and Leaves a BAD taste in my mouth to this day yet what makes it A little easier to swallow is the fact OSU went on to win it all. It didn't help that The Big 12 Decided against a conference championship game if TCU would have won a Confrence championship TCU would have Made it in
Remember when Oregon was beating TCU 31-0 at halftime and TCU was that game in overtime. In the Alamo bowl
it is real telling how TCU got left out after playing 1 less game in 2014, yet OSU got in playing anywhere from 3-5 less games then the others in the running this season.
Yes becuase of covid was there a world wide pandemic that year no and anyways osu was the national champion that year so tcu fans have 0 room to complain
@@spencerblake9672 TCU has every right to complain they were #3 before hand and got dropped for no reason out of the spot. whose to say they weren't better then OSU?? TCU put up over 40 pts on one of the best defenses of the season.
I honestly think Wisconsin threw the Big 10 championship game so that Ohio State could make it in over a non-Big 10 team
@John Cena there were some people on espn at the time that thought the Badgers could have made the playoff if they blew out the Buckeyes lol
Crazy how right you were and now they are finally getting the respect they deserve this year! As an okstate fan they have my full support to show the world the big 12 is still here! Go frogs!
We don’t talk about this team enough! One of the all time greats!
I rem that great hf team I was really into the collegiate game that year there was no was no to justiphy that period u can't say osu won the right decision was made u know how hard it is to win at that formatted damn near impossible that's where words come into play a good coach got to know to mesh all that together the college game is all momentum not just for that 1 game but for a season that's why the good ones say they get more outta see there recruit successful in life than the on gridiron cause the good schools and parents in the future will use that as a criteria when considering the as a leader to mold there children in nephew or whoever those days need to comeback to the game and also give those coaches like Gary Patterson more of a spotlight in the collegate game
Everyone forgets the real story of this season:
Florida State had no business being in the top 4. They somehow just never lost so the committee was forced to put them in at #3.
It should’ve been Bama, Oregon, Big12 winner, Ohio State. But these fools in Tallahassee didn’t drop a game like they should’ve at least 3 times.
The committee couldn’t snub an undefeated Power 5 champion because they looked bad doing it every week.
So they really took Baylor/TCU’s spot.
They finally got exposed in the Rose Bowl though.
FSU did get exposed, and in a cruel sense of irony, it birthed one of the internet's most hilarious memes.
@@vinsonmccants1128 Which meme was that?
@@danielwest9955 The Jamies Winston Fumble meme. Multiple memes and gifs about his fumble during the Rose Bowl.
Winston, by his own acts, became a walking meme factory while at FSU. Not knocking the kid, he did well as an athlete in college, but the memes were abundant.
@@vinsonmccants1128 Ah! Yes! So much has happened in the meme world since 2014. I remember it now. Folks had some fun with the fumble.
That Baylor TCU game was one of the first ever games I watched
Lol lots of fireworks
There was only two situations that screwed TCU.....
1.Big 12 Commissioner: Bob Bowlsby promoting a 10 team format (while still calling themselves "The Big 12") and claiming the "One true champion" because everyone plays each other. Then go against that and think they were being slick by claiming TCU & Baylor as Co-Champions to the Committee (That decision made it more convenient to go with Ohio St)....
2.The loss to Baylor put both teams at 8-1 and with Baylor with the "head to head" W made Baylor the outright Big 12 Champion not a Co-Champion like it or not, Ohio St deserved to be there but, yeah TCU and that Baylor team were probably just as deserving.
TCU dismantled Ol Miss in the bowl game and Ol Miss had beaten Alabama that year. I don’t believe that TCU would have had any trouble winning the whole thing that year had they been given a shot.
the fact they split the conference title with baylor kept em out. but the better team got in anyways, and won the title
Man TCU was just different back then. I remember that decision
I can't consider them a snub if the team that got in over them won it all.
Or you could argue that this makes it a larger snub...
Those TCU uni's @ 6:34 are FIRE!!!!!!
Will never forget how incredible Boise State and TCU were back from 2008-2011. The Kellen Moore Boise teams and Andy Dalton tcu squads were forces!!… bcs treated them terribly.
The only teams that could beat Boise and tcu back then were Boise and tcu. Such a shame they got left out of so many major games
It’s truly a shame that the CFP are so skewed and refuse to give smaller teams a shot
Sometimes it’s just a magical year but college doesn’t allow that
I mean Ohio state did win the natty sooo
ik why they mad
Hate when people says they should’ve gotten in over FSU. Noles was the defending champs, had Winston and was riding a 20+ winning streak. Also was undefeated unlike TCU.
This was a fun team to watch. I was really surprised when they were left out.
ohio state won 59-0 in the big tenchamps with a thrid string qb. i think that says thats a reason they got in.
The main problem was that the big12 at the time Did not have a championship game which clearly hurt
Great videos, but I wish you posted the stats in the videos instead of just saying them.
You're GONNA get SCREWED by The PLAYOFF COMMITTEE if Your Fanbase isn't BIG enough. We DIDN'T even ask for a Committee, just a COMPUTER selected 4 Team Playoff.
It took 8 years but no need to worry about being snubbed again. TCU is going to the natty baby
and they showed the nation that they shouldn't have been there
@@murph1329They had the resume to prove it and they beat Michigan. Based on all indicators, they earned that spot. Go kick rocks
Hey can you do the rides Army football what do a video on the rise of Jeff Monken
That could be really cool!
Hey Scott, can you do a video on the 2013 Missouri Tigers? 2nd favorite team, and they were 1 win away from the natty!
I would love to! I’ve had that on my list for a long tome
Let's be real, Florida St is the team that didn't deserve to be in the playoff.
It would’ve been cool to see TCU in the playoffs. They really should expand the playoffs. This was a BIG SNUB.
Robbed? no it was fixed because they are TCU.. NCAA loves Ohio, and they just made to the championship with 6-0 record. they didn't earn shit.
It’s almost like we’re in the middle of a pandemic and nothing about college football is ordinary. Keep crying little girl
@@CJ-vq8jw hahaha.... ass hurt lately? good
@@clightning9703 Says the one crying in RUclips comments lmfao. Do you feel better now that you've vented to strangers? Does it feel like you have people to talk to?
tcu only beat a 7-6 west virgina by 1 and only beat kansas by 4 that year
Yeah and Ohio State lost to 7-6 Virginia Tech that year by 17 at home, yet miraculously jumped TCU out
@@brian2440 that was the first game of there year if that game happened later in the year osu would have destroyed them
@@justinalley3399 No it wasn’t. And interesting how you make that argument, yet the same logic could apply to TCU playing Baylor
Let’s not forget Ohio State beat a 7-6 Penn State in 2OT or beat a 8-5 Minnesota by 7.
Argument became irrelevant when OSU won
2010 and 2014 TCU FOOTBALL WOULD BE NATIONAL CHAMPS 🏆 🏆🏆 🏆😱🐸💜 #TCURobbed
Would? Could? Should? Maybe. But they weren’t.
@@WoeStinkBeUponThee 2010 TCU would honestly annihilate Auburn if Cam played a bad game.
Wait you think they should have been in instead of the team that won the natty? Am I missing something??
They weren’t robbed when the team who replaced them won it all 😂
Still robbed
Looking back on it, Florida State really should have gotten left out. Yes, they were undefeated, but they were just barely beating a bunch of bad teams. If the committee is gonna use the bullshit “eye test” to decide the four best teams, it should actually stand by that and not just use it to justify favoring the brand names
They should've left Florida State out. They didn't belong regardless being undefeated
fax, they barely won a lot of their games that year and just weren’t very impressive in general
I started liking TCU the year they got left out, but I can't say they got robbed too badly that year, as they lost to Boise st. Think it was 6 to 7 final score
This just showed that name is more important than resume. TCU had an objectively better resume in 2014. The college football playoff is actually ruining college football at this point.
Even if Ohio State didn't make it in the playoff, the committee would've picked Baylor over TCU due to the head-to-head tiebreaker. It honestly blows my mind how many people forget TCU choked mad hard against Baylor, and wouldn't have made it regardless of if OSU or Baylor would've been the choice.
If TCU fans want to still be angry over getting snubbed for the eventual champs, be mad at Florida State. They were flirting with disaster on an almost weekly basis that season. They were the undefeated defending champs and still were ranked 3rd behind two one-loss teams because of how badly they played all season.
As a Baylor fan, I’m so happy we spoiled TCUs chance of making the playoff. Makes the cotton bowl hurt a little less.
Unfortunately the first year of the playoff conference championships mattered an the big 12 did not have one. So yes should they have been in yeah maybe but the big 12 screwed TCU out of the playoff. By not having one.
This is why college football should go to a 8 team playoff
This Frogs team could have won it all that year.
For that lone season I was a HUGE horned frog fan
Here is what I think.
#1: TCU should’ve been in the playoff, but got robbed of it.
#2: The reason why they jumped from 3 to 6 was because Ohio state, Oregon, and Florida state were bigger school names than TCU and didn’t want them in there.
#3: The College football playoff committee doesn’t like the Big 12 at all. They all ways have the SEC and Ohio state shoved down our throats. (They get forced to put Clemson on because there good and wouldn’t make since if there were left out)
#4: TCU embarrassed and dominated a Ole Miss team that Defeated the Number 1 team in the country, Alabama and Defeated the Number 4 team in Mississippi state.
5: All the evidence on why TCU was robbed. They would’ve ran the table.
i just saying as a lsu fan i believe that loss to baylor 63-56 was the decision if they beat baylor there in
BIG12 Conference holds just as much responsibility. They refused to declare a conference champion (either Baylor or TCU). Thus helping to give the selection committee an easy out, by saying they were selecting a true conference champion. In Ohio State's defense, they did show up to play. I think the real pretender in that final four was FSU.
2014 seems so long ago. Patterson has allowed the team to regress since then and has the gall to to take offense if pointed out. They've gone from national contender and weekly NCAA tv features to can't make a bowl. They had the blueprint for success and replaced it with complacency. If Patterson had retired 3 years ago and this was the program of his successor, this guy would have been fired.
Did you really bring up Andy Dalton and not L.T???????????
Nice video, just one thing: you don’t have to say a player took a pick six to the house. If it’s a pick six then it’s already understood it went to the house.
I am a lifelong Frog fan and, of course, agree the Frogs were screwed by the Prom Queen Nomination Committee. Here's the opening of the ESPN recap of the Peach Bowl win:
"Gary Patterson knew just what to say when asked if TCU's rout of Mississippi was a statement the Horned Frogs should have been in the four-team playoff.
" 'I don't think I have to say anything,' Patterson said.
"No need. The Horned Frogs said it all on the field."
www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400610182
For people arguing it was a snub, it’s hard because Ohio state went all the way and won it all,
I really don’t think a TCU couldn’t have done it
The removal of TCU literally doesn’t make any sense.
Honestly, TCU got screwed by the Big 12 trying to have their cake and eat it too by declaring TCU AND Baylor co-champions. Baylor was ranked lower but had the tiebreaker for the outright division title since they had beaten TCU. Instead of sticking up for one of the two schools, they diluted the value of their conference title by splitting it up and this allowed Ohio State to overtake them. The TCU/Baylor debacle is the main reason the Big 12 now plays a championship game to determine an outright conference champion.
They Had one till 2009 and stopped it because os Ndomonkong Suh.
I went to every home game that season. We should’ve been in the playoff fr