The State of the Grading Companies: PSA, SGC, BGS, & CSG
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Your research department deserves a raise! This was a great side-by-side comparison.
PSA is the most inconsistent graders of the 4 csg is the most consistent in my experience 👍
I stop using them. PSA are horrible and they got people fulled.
I hope people keep sleeping on CSG so I can keep getting them on the cheap.
You show the four Ohtani cards at the start and the end of the video, was a most recent sale comparison too much to ask your research department for?
CSG...Love the service..slabs look great!.....PSA is inconsistant...and ive said for years....ugly slabs....Red and White slabs doesnt look great on every card....and they tottally try to control the pop....if the card is a 10...then give it a 10....They stink!
Its unfortunate but the bottom line is PSA controlls the market due to pop count and resale value. As a result of that dealers and collectors alike will continue submitting there even if the grading is inconsistent. If you submit to one of the other three, you are knowingly reducing the value of your graded card, and most people can't justify doing that. Personally i am a pure collector, and i dont like anything about PSA, so i only use the other three.
all of them are ripoff
This "max declared value" of the cards is the most scummy thing I've seen in quite some time. Why are no one roasting these companies for this insane practice? So, if you have a mint charizard from 1999, you can't grade it with PSA because you'll be upcharged to the heavens and go bankrupt before you even get the card? What is this?
Stop buying PSA slabs. Monopoly problem solved.
What I dislike is how these companies declare your value of the card after receiving your card, then the company say you underestimated the valued on your card, then upcharge. Ok, cool. How about these companies start giving you back money or credit when you send in a card and you get a lower grade than expected. For example I have all the tools needed before sending my card to the company and estimate what grade I should get. Say I estimate this card a 9, but when I get my card back, it's a 7 or 8. Well, that company just rake me on both my card & grade. I think an explanation should be given as to why the card graded low. That's my vent for the companies. Great video Chris
You have to remember there is millions of $ in private collections in PSA slabs. Those rich collectors keep PSA at the top by pushing the product. If you take an unbiased look at 5 PSA 10's of the same card they will in most all cases all be different grades even though they are 10's. IMO PSA has the worst consistent grading in the Hobby by far with the slowest turnaround.
I disagree, I notice numerous SGC 9.5s and 10s and BGS 9.5s that would not get PSA 10s whereas I rarely find newly serial numbered PSA cards with noticeable say corner flaws.
@@GodofDisco your living on a different planet then the rest of us dealers.
In addition to worst consistency and slowest turnaround they also have the worst quality cases and labels and charge the most (by far) for the services. Resale value is the ONLY thing they are better at.
@@gabriels1163 which is proper up by their big backers.
I stop using PSA. I feel they are the very unethical company. I don’t trust them with my cards
BGS Sent an email out, they said based on feedback they will NOT be making any changes at this time.
for cgc a 9.5 is gem mint in pokemon btw
SGC 💪
I really like and trust CSG. I like the slabs and I don’t question their grades. I really think they are fair. I just don’t trust PSA. Too many questions about who they are really grading for.
I’ve tried all of them and PSA has the worst customer service as they will never admit to mistakes and just I feel like they dont care as they do get the most cards graded….I really like CSG and I truly believe that they will make their mark at some time slabs are the best and turnaround time is important …I just flat out don’t like it use Beckett their customer support is awful…I never received an email that my cards arrived or were being graded over 100 days later was my first email that they were being shipped…I use SGC for vintage and will support what they do …the new CEO is awesome and I really think overtime they will dent into PSA…for me I will only use CSG and SGC both have very good customer service and turnaround time
Kind of hoping that PSA buys SGC to become their vintage division... PSA's vintage grading is slow... all of their specials avoid pre-1980 cards...
I have a theory I would like opinions on. From my experience, it seems SGC grades harder than PSA, especially in vintage. It may be the .5 grades in SGC, but I see clear differences in a PSA vs SGC.
In my experience, SGC is tougher on centering and edges and a little less so on corners than PSA
Beckett and csg grades are bogus usu 2 grades off PSA
SGC usu 1 grade off PSA
If they’d grade the same way the pie would even out
SGC has been slipping… rcvd my order on 1/2 and it’s 1/18 and still not even finished on their website.
I just wonder if CSG will go they way of global. I remember 20 years ago Gai was the rage. Now you can't give their cards away. I'm referring to vintage, I don't know about modern
PSA is inconsistent, bordering on random at times and clearly manages pop counts of high valued cards. I re-entered the card market in Oct 22’ and decided to use SGC because I read they were the best at assigning the correct grade. What I learned is nobody gives AF about anything but PSA (in modern cards at least).
PSA just is a self promotion machine that's why they will control market share. I don't like them but it is what it is. I like SGC. CSG will never get any market share this low resale value
SGC doesn’t uo charge modern… I can’t speak for vintage
Anyone have experience with PGI? I have an Ohtani RC thats a 10 from them.
The upcharge is dumb unless they were intentionally just hoping you'd let it slide
Always great videos, Chris ! One thing that I would like to see the next time you do one of these videos is a comparison of the value of a few cards in the same grades across the companies.
Good call Brendan, that would be a super helpful video! I'm using SGC due to their very quick turnaround time.
100%
SGC all the way
The thing with those super top level elite grades is they are just so inconsistent and mean basically nothing to the naked eye. The difference between a black label and a pristine 10 is literally subjective. I can see the difference between a psa 9 and 10 with my eyes. Plus the graders give preferential treatment with them to they don’t mean anything. Remember the story of the BGS employee who got 21/27 black labels on a single sub? With the black label rate of the general population that is basically mathematically impossible lol. PSA has the best looking slabs, the best looking label, the most extensive pop report, set registry, 2 mobile apps, scannable labels, the list goes on. There’s a reason they’re the industry leader lol
Psa is a joke just like bgs.
If the resale value was like it used to be no one would use them.
My psa 7s look better than my psa 10s.
People just want the easy 10s and PSA offers that
Chris, would be cool to see a video with your input on BGS' new grading scale, specifically how it pertains to a lot of previously "Gem Mint" cards in BGS slabs, now being considered "Mint +".
Yeah I have to look into that. Pretty surprising they are making that move
Luckily they did not go through with it.
When you grade a million cards a month, you're going to have inconsistencies. Tons of videos show how PSA screwed up collector's graded cards. Grading cards ruined the hobby. Don't worry, the bottom will fall out of the "newer card" market.
BGS will be making changes to their grading scale soon. Some 9.5 will be considered 10s and some won’t. I’d like to see your take on it. Thanks for the content as always.
BGS Sent an email out, they said based on feedback they will NOT be making any changes at this time.
How many people are like me and get SGC and CSG mixed up?
Unless you know this hobby and sleep on your toes, all I can say is "let the buyer beware".
Can you do a video is AGS ,I rather hear from you, we trust you more
I am actually not familiar with AGS
They must give some slack to print lines on chrome
Personally I think csg is the best
Chris, what do you think about the new BGS Gem Mint 9.5 grading scaling converting into 10s. I feel like it might be a big mistake and making the BGS 10 not as rare. Personally I think BGS is making a huge mistake doing this.
I will have to look into it more. On the surface seems like an odd move to me
I disagree
@@bobo44donemilking51 I hope you are right and I am wrong because I would love BGS slab pricings to rise. Its disappointing to see the plunge of BGS pricing, and I would love for BGS to make a return.
Pristine auction I used to buy from. They grade cards too. They are off so bad, on there grading. And selling on there own platform. BGGC. There are 10s that are really 8s. They must be making 💰 hand over fist.
The interesting thing is, if you gave me the option of a PSA 10 vs a BGS Black Label for the same card then I would take the Black Label all day and twice on Sunday. The price difference seems to be a lot higher on a BGS black label due to the fact it is hard to get.
Dam right I have a black label trout that I could get about 50-75% more than if it was a PSA 10
I wish the distribution was more even as well. I've been done with PSA for a while and I personally value a card in a PSA holder the same as raw.
I have 60 cards out to CSG rite now. I should get them back in 22 business day's. I really like their service. The slabs are nice looking and fit good. They have been around doing money grading for years, they have the sole contract with the Smithsonian museum to grade historical money and such. They're professional and been around for awhile. I like em.
Great video, thank you. SGC is the best. When I wear my PSA backpack to card shows everyone hates me.
Remember when psa express was $75 a pop
CSG goes down to $10.80 bulk with Elite membership. I don't like that CSG has a $2 fee for autos and $5 for a thick holder. CSG is my favorite for a collector. 2nd best turnaround time, best pricing, best slab, and they have a registry. Just disappointed that they are having issues now with their system upgrades which is causing some serious issues.
No April specials at PSA. $19 is too high of a bulk price for me to restart my Collector's Club membership. Have to get to $15 or under for me to re-engage.
Am preparing a small starter bulk order for CSG as I think the timing is right for it. And their slabs are so attractive that I feel in the long term they will gain traction across the board.
All grading companies are priced too high. Sorry regular guy collector doesn't have a lot of high value to send in at $20+ per card. They need to run a $9 or 10 special (with a long turnaround time) for poor guys and or the graded set collector. CSG is the closest. Love these videos Chris.
Agreed, most of the cards I have gotten graded with PSA came back as a 9 and are worth exactly what I paid for in grading fees!
WELL DONE!!! THANK YOU : )
Great video. I have just one question, Would regrading a card from lets say BGS 9.5 to PSA would that make it a 10 because PSA do not score 9.5?
PSA would look at each card with their own lens and make their own judgement call
When I re-entered the hobby in 2017 all the collectors said BGS was tougher than PSA even though the stats say otherwise, I ignored them and used PSA. I would've lost a lot of money if I had gone with BGS. Now these same people swear by SGC but I see numerous 9.5s with serious corner flaws. I think 9.5s are a weakness because I can prove these companies aren't more consistent than PSA by looking at numerous cards in 9.5 slabs that are clearly nowhere close to that grade quality. Maybe BGS introducing a 10 will fix that because right now eye balls are their biggest problem.
The amount of stories speaking about sgc 9.5 like that are far outweighed by one's that say the same about psa 10s.
@@richardbianco9674 Exactly. There are PSA 10's that look like absolute shit.
@@Spongecore_Deathbob more so than any other company. Some psa 10s might get an 8 elsewhere. Even after the change to be more strict
Poor Chris. The grading company videos always come out just before some news. BGS with the whole change to their grading scale.
Haha that’s so true!
SGC is the best - after all there is a reason the most expensive card on the planet ('52 Mantle SGC 9.5) is in a SGC slab so their legacy, I think, is cemented.
not knocking SGC or any other company with this comment , here's the simple bottom line though .. PSA slabs bring more value on the market .. I can have the same exact card in a SGC , and a PSA , and ill list that PSA for more. Further . I wont buy anything graded that's not PSA either .. I've talked to multiple shop owners other not quite brick and mortar dealers like myself , and there's a consensus.. everything else aside . PSA is the king , they are worth more , and people on the market will pay more for a PSA graded card then something from the others .. Until that changes "which I don't see any time soon" PSA will still be king of value on the market .
LOL, one card doesn't prove anything
Gr8 informative video Chris..🤔 Thanks for putting the difference between each grading company.. Happy April Fool's Day..😝😉 I prefer PSA and SGC but do have Beckett slabs in my collection..😍 I don't have any CSG though would like to get some soon.. Take care..👍💕🔥👊
I hope you do a PC video eventually . Checking your store you got quite the spread of cards.
Sgc for vintage
what do you think about ISA.... ? i know its not big yet, because a new company, so no info really long term, but how do you feel about their encasements Im debating on sending a few cards there, to check them out, but would like to be able to sell, if needed... lol...
I don't have any experience with them
Curious how BGS’ new grading scale - announced at Mint - will impact submissions. Think they may backpedal a bit.
That's putting it mildly. They will be done within a year or two because of legal costs alone. They've killed a ton of previous slabs value
I Personally like BGS because of the Sub-grades so when I get my cards back I can see and review what they see and maybe crack it out and send to PSA if the BGS Grade is a 9 or 9.5 that PSA could give the card a 10 talking about Surface which can be cleaned, but PSA $19 a card and they put a minimum of 20 well that's something I can't afford, it should be $19 with no minimums, Personally speaking, Thanks Chris for your input.
A BILLION cards in a month? I'm skeptical.
Million
Just got the 411 on becketts new system. It's gonna screw many buyers/ collectors. With the majority of the 9.5 gem grades going to 9.5 mint plus, the market will change. Might need to do this again in a few months🤦
HGA does have a pop report. It's a bit clunky to navigate, but it's there.
Nice meeting you yesterday, and thanks for the Purdy!
I just watched another you tuber mention Beckett is changing how they grade cards. A 9.5 is now mint+ and no longer gem mint. This you tuber is hoping that it is a. April fools joke. Have you heard of this?
Not a joke. Its a last ditch attempt to save their company.
gj chris !!!!
Thanks for the information / presentation as usual. Beckett/BGS just announced a change which has everyone scratching their heads - know is was post production of the video. Keep it going and enjoy!
I use PSA due to higher resale and slimmer slabs. Space becomes an issue when you have a lot of cards. But for autographs I prefer BGS holders with the subs and auto grade.
Dealers and collectors have allowed PSA to grow into a giant monster. So of the grades they give cards are ridiculous; there present behavior has the FBI looking at them.
There's no collectors. Collectors don't care about psa or grading especially modern.
Investors, flippers, manipulators, scammers that's who cares about psa.
@@KingKuba1313 Your comment about collectors I find interesting. Of course there are some collectors who like their cards graded (I’m not one of them) but what % of those who keep the majority of their cards buy graded cards? What’s your guess?
License to print money
@@andrewmarks4640 Yep….and they are printing it.
@@KingKuba1313 I just collect and I care about grading. Especially since I'm going to hand my collection down to my daughter who most likely will never care about my collection or the names that are in it. I hope that she can sell them in 20+ years for a massive amount of money.
The lack of a 9.5 means that the quality of a PSA 10 is lower than the others, and this is an advantage in a marketing sense, namely that it helps maintain the resale value. Imagine half of the PSA 10s being downgraded to PSA 9.5 - that would hurt their resale value immensely.
Hence why a BGS 10 is an actual 10.
Sent in PSA 97 bulk ($19)card order and it was recieved/checked in at PSA on 2/24/2023. Was back at my door 03/23/2023. PSA has really turned things around!!
I’ve been a member of psa for about a year now and my last submission was 31 total days door to door. Also have another submitted now that’s at 3 of 8 that I sent in last week.
I believe p s a has updated their turnarounds to reflect actual days and not business days..
P.C.- SGC
Selling- PSA
Im in the minority but i like bgs
Thanks for the video. Will you be attending any of the Dallas Card Shows this year?
I plan to attend the Dallas show in the fall
@@collectorinvestordealer great. If you happen to have any 1991 graded Topps Desert shield I can stop by your table or meet in person.
I love the sub grading that bgs offers
When I’m looking to buy a card, I usually buy PSA for modern and SGC for vintage
Hopefully SGC takes the top spot for the good of the hobby. IMO, PSA is in this position because they've been around awhile and had (from what I remember) the lowest prices during the start of the boom (which then pushed up its value because that's what the market preferred). SGC has arguably the best grading scale, best customer service, and a great looking slab.
I love SGC!
I sent 2 cards in last year to SGC and they damaged both cards. I’m done with them.
@@123mrtippmann well that's not great but I promise you psa damages and has also been know to lose high value cards. The difference is sgc takes care of their customers and psa will try to blame the customer. Good luck
More like 80% reslab rate😂🤡
It’s interesting how you see so many people complain about a PSA grade and not knowing the “why” but BGS with subgrades that tell you the “why” still lags so far behind.
Now you throw in the BGS Gem Mint 10 change and so many former 9.5 GM dropping to Mint+ how will that hurt them as well.
Vintage sports shack uses psa due to they are most desired... tried a few smaller companies and the slabs sit.
PSA’s simple scale is by far the best, the difference between a 10 & 10+ with the others is simply a lottery.
I do want to point out one thing that most here are missing. Lol at the chart again. By the numbers month over month psa has flatlined, while the rest saw % growth of 5 to 10% month over month. That's usually the first step into market share changing. We can be confident in saying none have any of the issues that were present during the pandemic. So these are the numbers with no asterisks. Psa has been dominant for so long with many still having that opinion that they are the best. You are seeing growth in market value from cgs and even csg to an extent. There are also cases were a sgc 10 has outsold a psa 10 in modern. Let's do this same comparison in 5 years, and I can almost guarantee that these won't be as lopsided
Still a big fan of CSG, good prices and turn around times. I like their slabs better than the other 3, but SGC is a close second.
PSA slabs everything with 10s you can clearly see defects but PSA just wants that up charge .
CSG is in the back pocket with eBay, stay far away from that company. They are down here in Florida.
It makes sense that PSA doesn't have 9.5 or 10+ considering how many submissions they get and the small number of flaws at that level. The graders probably don't want to spend the time thinking to themselves well is it a 9, 9.5, 10, or 10+....9, 9.5, 10, or 10+.
They might have to actually train their graders to grade if they had .5s instead of just glancing at the card and making up a grade.
What I would like to see is the same card, same grade, different grading house: what the selling price is, and the RTO per card against costs associated.
CSG is becoming popular with the UD-Epack community. Any card u pull on epack can be easily transferred to comc and sent to CSG for grading. Guess they recently agreed on a partnership.I'm expecting a 3card submission I did with csg through comc on cards I pulled from epack. Its gonna be lit
BGS just changed their grading system. They do have a Gem Mint 10 now.
CSG new slabs VERY impressive. SGC unmatched in customer service and turnaround time at less than two weeks. PSA best labels because they use one solid color other than black and I love how they don't have subgrades, but keep it simple. I really love TAG, but inexplicable they don't grade vintage.
love the show, been watching for years, however I cant but help to mention that I feel like you left out a huge part of the equation and that is resale value. I feel like PSA dominates in this arena?
Psa is definitely on top with resale value. I mentioned it in the video
to each his own, but I don't care to SLAB any of my collection. to do so is like putting them in a museum, LOOK, BUT DON'T TOUCH!! I want to feel and smell the aged cardboard, remember the good times of opening packs and sticking a common player on my bike spokes, and life goes on!
I’m still in the “learn how to accurately grade yourself “. Then buy raw cards that meet your condition requirements.
No $ spent….
I BUY slabbed cards, but generally for less $ than the cost of the grading…
I just did a value bulk submission with PSA and it was back to me in about a month. The PSA/DNA dual grading of cards is still in the “research” phase though. So they are really churning out the orders compared to a year ago
On the other side, my bulk submission from Jan is still in progress 😢
Of course as you have a state of grading video schedule to drop something changes in the grading dynamic of course I'm taking about bgs's revised grading scale. Honestly I don't think it will have much of an effect, a bgs 9.5 will still sell between a psa 9 & 10, but I believe the new bgs 10 which before was a true gem+ will now sell on par with a psa 10.
That always happen when I post one of these!
From personal experience I can say that SGC's customer service is excellent. I've emailed them when I ve had an issue and their response was very quick. I think they are poised to really gain market share if PSA makes any misteps. You don't run into very many unhappy SGC customers.
Don’t forget-you can send cards to CSG straight from COMC now too with the click of a button.
Oh boy I wish you waited a few days. The new BGS Gem Mint is all the rave on Social Media
Great video, but i did notice the csg data was based on cgc pop only as csg pop was down for multiple weeks for maintenance. Also does psa data include non sports as well, they also grade Pokémon. Gap might not be as big as implied, but still significant. Love your content.
It would be nice for the ones that didn't do sub-grades if they included it on the website when you ran the serial number.