When Did Kingdom Hearts DIE?

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  • Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
  • A brief video essay on why a franchise as beloved as Kingdom Hearts is just a shell of its former glory. Spoiler: it's not entirely Disney's fault.

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  • @redgerran
    @redgerran  Год назад +21

    Update: I think it's clear that Kingdom Hearts is still doing well with lots of fans (myself included). The point of this video is that the hype of this series has decreased dramatically since the KH2 days, and I want to illustrate why.

    • @KHfan0011
      @KHfan0011 11 месяцев назад +4

      Don't even apologize. I am someone who has played this series since I was in the single digit age and I agree with pretty much everything you said. This is EXACTLY why the series fell off a cliff

    • @DannyLee-zv9gl
      @DannyLee-zv9gl 8 месяцев назад +1

      Its because they don’t make content

    • @GihirahimOfTheShadow
      @GihirahimOfTheShadow 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@KHfan0011 The most interesting part is that the series falling off a cliff can be directly linked with the development of Final Fantasy Versus XIII. You seriously cannot have one without the other; they are directly tied together, which is how you get the point we're at now where Nomura is literally using KH4 to recreate as much of Versus XIII as he can.

  • @eduardofeijolle8049
    @eduardofeijolle8049 Год назад +39

    I think "Die" is a bit much. Just because a series falls of the mainstream (somewhat) doesn't mean it's failed. Quality isn't decided by popularity. And even "dead" series can make a comeback: Sonic was a joke in the industry, yet Frontiers was incredibly well received, by critics and fans. No man's sky had a similar redemption story.
    In regards to comprehension, the HD collections go a long way and youtube summaries do exist, worst case scenario.
    I can understand being worried over the future of the series but I think we haven't reached that point yet. Hell, with stuff like 358/2 and BBS, I think we overcame it.
    Overall though, great video.

    • @nineinchthread
      @nineinchthread Год назад +4

      It seem to me that it gotten bigger though I guess I noticed the fandom is much different now and you never really found people on the street that would care for this game even as a kid no one talked about it I just knew about it in my family and even then I'm the one that liked it the most even though I did have small breaks and stop being into it as much until I became 14/13

    • @indedgames4359
      @indedgames4359 Год назад +6

      I say this.
      Kh isnt dead its very alife
      Assasins creed is a dead series .
      Nonura also is a much better planer then people thing but he has 2 majpur flaws.
      He admidetly does somethings only becaus ther cool
      . Thats fine becaus vissuel storytelling and videogame and
      He doesnt seem confident enough . Like he holds back alot. He is also a perfectionist and never takes a break.
      That can caus issues.
      The other issues the series has ar just misconceptions Fans have.
      Redcons dont happen as often as people think its simply nomura did Set it up in awa y that makes it come of with a misunderstanding.
      Im tired so i wont continue but in my book nonura is a very creative man who tries his best but who should stop doupting his ideas to much and mayby try to take breaks and then come back who knews mayby he will see some o of his ideas as wait.... thats cool but i Do t think people will get it unless i Do it diferent.
      But as lobg as kh doesnt turn i to a AC lets move to the plot outside the games fuck the og hardcore lore Fans type series

    • @indedgames4359
      @indedgames4359 Год назад +3

      Also post 2 nomura didnt just come up with lore and plot...
      Infact did you knew in Interviews post Kh 1 he hintet at ideas he had for games that would end up beeing
      Bbs, Fragmenten Passage, X Saga
      He mentioned ansems true Form to him beeing an old man from destiny islands.

    • @haridojamaru829
      @haridojamaru829 6 месяцев назад

      I think kh 2 was the last great kh game

  • @friedchicken4735
    @friedchicken4735 7 месяцев назад +6

    3 was a struggle to get through for me and i bought all the games. I think im done with the series it ended on such a disappointing note

    • @TheSeaBase
      @TheSeaBase 7 месяцев назад +1

      That's cuz it's not over, people assumed it was an definitive ending when it's more of a transition.

    • @haridojamaru829
      @haridojamaru829 6 месяцев назад

      Same the last time I tried to speed run the game within a week I ended up finding a lot of problems with the game which wasn’t in kingdom hearts 2

    • @haridojamaru829
      @haridojamaru829 6 месяцев назад +1

      I’ve played both kingdom hearts 2 and 3 the same amount times so I can tell if kingdom hearts 2 didn’t exist than there’s no way would I like kh 3 since it coxk rides on the actual good stuff that was done by kh2

  • @billx6545
    @billx6545 Месяц назад +2

    I think you nailed exactly why kh1 was such a magical experience. I pretty much grew up off of Disney and was heavily into final fantasy around when it came out. Just seeing cartoon characters and anime characters interact would have been enough to get my attention, but Disney AND final fantasy? Seeing someone like maleficent cast meteor was enough to blow my mind, but you go; yeah, she could probably do that.
    I think one of the weaknesses the series has is when it isn't able to rely on an original story for a high percentage of the game. The worlds in the first game were heavily altered because of the crossover elements at play. So, you felt a direct connection to the story of the game as it's own thing.... Kh2 and many others ended up recycling movie plots which really harms the world building for the series.
    I didn't want to go through the exact plot of Mulan for example. And this is an issue that plagues the games all the way up to 3.
    The Xehanort shenanigans didn't help the main plot either because by the end of dream drop distance I was just tired of what was going on. THAT should have been the game to end that plot.
    So despite you dismissing 358/2 days as a cash grab I think that game is one of the best ones aside from 1 and 2. It really was a pure KH game.

  • @MemoriesLP
    @MemoriesLP Год назад +17

    I agree overall with what you said, however I will show 3 main things I did not like.
    1) You overexaggerate your reactions when reading a game's title... like you don't just say: "Birth by Sleep was released..." you say that in a way that you imply it is bad before saying anything, or that the thing is ridiculous... or whatever... it has a bad connotation to it, which is a cheap way to pretend there is something wrong there... your main argument was that they are on different consoles and that they were supposedly milking the franchise, so no need to say the title's name the way you said it.
    For example, I don't like Queen and Foo Fighters (that is true)... so I could make a video and say: Queeeeeen????? Fooo Fighters??? with a tone that already tells they are bad.
    This can easily make a person angry already because it feels like you are mocking the thing they enjoy.
    You said: "Birth By Sleep? On PSP? And it's a prequel?". Why would a prequel be bad? like seriously, what is the bad thing about it? It is part of your argument that it is complicated to follow and retcons, but then again, no need to say it that way.
    2) I find FF XV and Big Hero to be good, but you said they are not. What you are trying to say is that KH 1 released at the peak of public reception for Disney and SE, while the other KHs didn't. FF XV sold extremely well, but was not well received on reviews. So instead of saying this "thing" here is bad or good, you could have said it was the public image of the games. That way, you don't need to explain shit, you don't need to tell me why XV is bad, and why Tangled is good - or even mention at all if they are good or not... you just need to say the public liked or disliked them in general.
    3) This whole part of milking the franchise I don't like. I honestly believe Nomura loves every single game he makes. But regardless of that, milking has so bad connotations that is sounds like a cheap way to emphasize a problem, kinda like the way you did when you read the title's name in a mocking or negative way.
    Notes:
    1) I think XI was successful at the time of release, was it a complete failure? I didn't think it was.

    • @TheBigHeinousAnus
      @TheBigHeinousAnus Год назад

      FFXIV is also quite good (assuming you're willing to ignore the first iteration and only look at ARR through Endwalker)

    • @Goodkingmogglemog
      @Goodkingmogglemog 9 месяцев назад

      I think this video is just jumping on the bandwagon. The lack of understanding that the handheld games are actually mainline and that it was the fault of SE for not advertising them for what they were and putting them on a worse hardware.
      But then again this was during the 7th gen of consoles when everything had to be realistic,gritty and sad. Also there was a huge push against single player game bc they weren't profitable like multiplayer games. So games like BBS and the like wouldn't have seen success on the PS3 Imo.

    • @GihirahimOfTheShadow
      @GihirahimOfTheShadow 7 месяцев назад

      @@Goodkingmogglemog Really, all they needed to do was put BBS on the PS3 (if they wanted a PSP port of it too, fine, as the HD Remix showed both systems could handle it), then DDD on the 3DS (which could later have the console version just as CoM got ReCoM) and then KH3. That's it. Do NOT make Coded/ReCoded, 358/2 Days, 0.2 BBS and all the X stuff because that overcomplicates the story beyond what is necessary and drags KH3 down by having too many added characters and plotlines that it doesn't need.

    • @haridojamaru829
      @haridojamaru829 6 месяцев назад +1

      Nomura totally despises kingdom hearts 3 and even I can tell that much. Birth by sleep was a bad game and there’s no need to sugarcoat things because it having “a good story”

    • @haridojamaru829
      @haridojamaru829 6 месяцев назад +1

      Kh 1 is even better than kh 3 just saying

  • @Roku177
    @Roku177 8 месяцев назад +6

    Very good video and points, honestly it's kind of dropped off for me after KH3, still can't wrap my head around not including the Final Fantasy characters which was blended so well with Kingdom Hearts 2. Final Fantasy x Disney = Kingdom Hearts otherwise it's just mainly a Disney based game like KH3 felt like and with the main story only being rushed at the end was just a sad underwhelming experience.

  • @pamoon_
    @pamoon_ Год назад +8

    I bought Dream Drop because of honestly Smash (played 1-3 before Sora was revealed).
    And Dream Drop had the dumbest swapping system I’ve never seen.
    If you run out of Drop-Me-Nots well too bad lol

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 9 месяцев назад +7

    Kingdom Hearts needs a streamlined story now

    • @GihirahimOfTheShadow
      @GihirahimOfTheShadow 7 месяцев назад +2

      Not happening as long as Nomura's alive. He's psychologically incapable of that.

  • @haridojamaru829
    @haridojamaru829 6 месяцев назад +2

    Let’s not forget that because of square Enix bad choice making ideas they are losing a lot of money so I don’t think kingdom hearts is gonna live

  • @thogameskanaal
    @thogameskanaal 4 месяца назад +1

    Ey, shaddup! Final Fantasy XII was a GOOD Final Fantasy game

  • @barch118
    @barch118 8 месяцев назад +15

    Kingdom hearts needs a reboot without noruma and simplied story

    • @jordanholloman5907
      @jordanholloman5907 7 месяцев назад +2

      Including basic technical combos again. None of these crazy acrobatics.

    • @TheSeaBase
      @TheSeaBase 7 месяцев назад +2

      Kingdom hearts literally can not exist without his creative input. The concept would be something else.

    • @NotCharAznable
      @NotCharAznable 4 месяца назад

      @@jordanholloman59072 is arguably the most technical game. Lmao

    • @jordanholloman5907
      @jordanholloman5907 4 месяца назад

      @@NotCharAznable The air combos are pretty crazy in 2. And Sora looks like he's flailing the Keyblade a lot more than in the first game.

  • @jakk2631
    @jakk2631 Год назад +3

    I wanted to get 3d dreams drop for my 1st kingdom hearts game but couldn't find it

    • @aralinamarie6681
      @aralinamarie6681 Год назад +1

      You can mod you 3ds rlly quickly in 20-30 mins for free of course that’s only an idea I would never pirate games I don’t own🥸

  • @Excusib7209-ty3mz
    @Excusib7209-ty3mz 4 месяца назад

    Honestly it's going just strong as ever, Sora's in Smash, KH4 and missing link are coming soon and look great if it's to "die" then thats yet to come

  • @TylenOneal239
    @TylenOneal239 Год назад +9

    Kingdom Hearts 2 is when it died and I’m going to say it’s primarily Chain of Memories being the reasoning. You be surly surprised how many people went from Vanilla, skipped C.O.M. and went right into 2. So most of the cutscenes went over a large portion of fans to the point they were mad because they didn’t get the references from the C.O.M plot line. Which of they played they would of better understood what was going on. In the same sense it’s like the Pokémon fanbase. You have 2 types of people. People like me who truly enjoy the franchise and then you have the people who grew up with the show as a kid, but dropped it before/after Gold & Silver. The latter makes up roughly 75% of Pokémon fans. This is why Pokémon GO blew up when it did. Because everyone remembers Gen 1 Pokemon. But again when Gen 2 mons were released there was a *SHARP* decline in players. Other reasonings for the declines, but I still feel a lot of people dropped at Gen 2

    • @captianbacon
      @captianbacon 9 месяцев назад +2

      Pokemon go had a sharp drop off because it was bad and didn't give us what it promised, ya we could go around and catch Pokemon fine but that's like the least fun part of Pokemon. It didn't give us a way to meet a trainer on the street look them dead in the eye and have tactical turn based combat with skill and strategy it gave us cookie collector gym battles, it didn't give us vast breading and moveset options, it gave us a move and a biigg move when you wasted enough time. You couldn't lvl up your Pokemon by fighting wild things you had to shove them into a meat grinder to make steroids. Its took all the parts of Pokemon that were fun and interesting away and made it boring nothingness that after the hype wore off it just wasn't worth the time or effort.

  • @captianbacon
    @captianbacon 9 месяцев назад +2

    Making each game unique would kill kingdom hearts. If they wanted to start a new arc after sora comes home and becomes a master and essentially soft reboot with a new protage and new stuff going forward mabey. But with whats building the nomuraverse is at a all time peak after remind and im so excited to see what crazy nonsense he ropes us into next.

  • @CaityRaindrop
    @CaityRaindrop 4 месяца назад

    I liked the "spin off games" which were really prequels and midquels so still important imo, just cause it isnt numbered doesnt mean its meaningless. Melody of memory, and the kh puzzle matching mobile games are what I consider spin offs (MoM isn't a kh game, in terms of mechanics, it's a rhythm game with kh paint. Same as how hyrule warriors isn't a zelda game, it's a dynasty warriors game with a zelda coat of paint).
    I'm actually sad there'll prob be a massive wait cause the only real current "handheld" is the switch whereas back then we would get a handheld game to tide us over, give more kh experiences and evolve the story.
    I'd love a small adventure with kairi as the playable char (I thought this could be Kairi's training expanded).

    • @CaityRaindrop
      @CaityRaindrop 4 месяца назад

      As a fan who played near all games (the one I missed was CoM, didn't own a gameboy, and the ps2 remake never came to europe. Now have it on the HD collections.) I find the start of 3 a slow hog story wise, like I get they wanted to entice newcomers but I thought were wasting time stating the obvious (again as someone who played through them all + read summaries of the one I missed (didn't wanna watch vids of it cause I hoped one day we'd get the ps2 remake 😂)

    • @CaityRaindrop
      @CaityRaindrop 4 месяца назад

      Honestly I don't understand the venom some have for the non numbered titles.
      I want new kh game. Look new kh game with more gameplay and fun to have. Yay.
      I'd argue the mobile games are a bore (nature of being a mobile game have to keep adding more to sell those microtransactions) but I still enjoyed them casually 🤷🏻‍♀️

  • @justinmercado1185
    @justinmercado1185 Месяц назад +1

    The only coherent story is part 1. You need an encyclopedia & a doctorate degree in weeb-nomics to understand the rest of the games

  • @GihirahimOfTheShadow
    @GihirahimOfTheShadow 7 месяцев назад

    Great video...but you kind of lost me when you implied Disney had no good movies after Frozen. Zootopia, Moana, Encanto...not good? HUH?
    Similarly, The Emperor's New Groove was the worst movie at the time of KH1's release? Not freaking Dinosaur?

    • @redgerran
      @redgerran  7 месяцев назад

      I'll concede that Zootopia and Encanto were both great, but everything else I would argue was mid at best. (And you can't blame me for forgetting that Dinosaur existed)

  • @LukeC-vw9dc
    @LukeC-vw9dc 4 месяца назад +1

    I'm like the one parson in my gen that know what kingdom hearts is, and for the ones that know they just think it a mickey mouse game for kids and not intoresting at all

    • @TheTopPriority
      @TheTopPriority 3 месяца назад

      But what Gen are you(TBH idk what my gen is 1999), and do you own multiple keyblades?

    • @LukeC-vw9dc
      @LukeC-vw9dc 3 месяца назад

      @@TheTopPriority I was born 2011

  • @TheSeaBase
    @TheSeaBase 7 месяцев назад

    The story isnt over yet, with nomura building on things present since the first game. Maybe youll get a reboot of sorts after nomura finishes the new arc. They clearly are not focused on attracting new players as much as catering to the ones they already have.

  • @prestigini3150
    @prestigini3150 Год назад +4

    I know it’s clickbait and it worked so I’m here to say my slight piece. Kh is definitely not dead. KH3 and it Sora being in smash cemented kingdom hearts if it wasn’t already

  • @jtodd1169
    @jtodd1169 9 месяцев назад +1

    shit aint dead 💀

  • @Phillyrider807
    @Phillyrider807 8 месяцев назад +4

    KH3 is the best selling game in the series. Sora in Smash broke youtube records. KH4 is already announced and shown. Where the hell is this "KH Is dead" nonsense coming from?

  • @indedgames4359
    @indedgames4359 9 месяцев назад

    Bro the Series is diferent to FF.Its an ongoing Story wher Nomura has an ending in mind.
    He statwt multiple times its the Story of Sora and Riku. The Ending is planed out since 2004 and he intends it to ha e multiple arcs.
    He wantet it to be that way so it is.
    Now going forward a new writer is added to make things clearer . We see how the english translater mess that up again though

  • @isiahcarvajal6559
    @isiahcarvajal6559 8 месяцев назад +1

    Me when I lie:

  • @captianbacon
    @captianbacon 9 месяцев назад +1

    Are you kidding the yr be4 kh3 came out all i did was talk about people about our favorite kh bosses keyblades and heartless. And then the songs got leaked, and my manager at work played that shit on repeat. Kingdom hearts is the most popular video game franchise ever. Yes its super convoluted and extra frustrating but thats why we love it.

  • @AnulaibazIV
    @AnulaibazIV 3 месяца назад

    Those are not retcons.

  • @brockmoore8402
    @brockmoore8402 8 месяцев назад +2

    Kh2 sold 1 million in the first month, kh3 sold 5 million in the first week, where is this coming from

    • @haridojamaru829
      @haridojamaru829 6 месяцев назад

      Well I agree with him kingdom hearts 2 was the peak and kingdom hearts 3 only had a lot of hate thrown towards it like how sora was the only character to not grow up

    • @brockmoore8402
      @brockmoore8402 6 месяцев назад

      @@haridojamaru829I had fun with the game, Nothing else to add

  • @brockmoore8402
    @brockmoore8402 8 месяцев назад +2

    Only reasonable take is union Cross, otherwise L bad take play every game fake fan

    • @brockmoore8402
      @brockmoore8402 8 месяцев назад +1

      Learn to enjoy a game and stop living in the past

    • @jordanholloman5907
      @jordanholloman5907 6 месяцев назад

      @@brockmoore8402 Not much point when later future entries are garbage.

    • @brockmoore8402
      @brockmoore8402 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@jordanholloman5907 nice bait

    • @brockmoore8402
      @brockmoore8402 6 месяцев назад +1

      You have not played a garbage game, go play gollum if you want a garbage game, learn what garbage means

    • @jordanholloman5907
      @jordanholloman5907 6 месяцев назад

      @@brockmoore8402 Let's see. Terrible story writing and pacing. Terrible character writing? Check. Terrible overall gameplay? Check. And the only thing carrying and drawing attention to the game being the visuals? Check. Yeah. I'm not sugarcoating it. The game is definitely garbage. Just because it's a pretty package doesn't make it a good thing. The contents aren't worth any amount of money. The modern audience is way too easily satisfied if they think the only thing needed to carry a game is the visuals.

  • @TheGamingAdonis826
    @TheGamingAdonis826 Год назад +1

    It died cause people nowadays are to full of hate

  • @castle3267
    @castle3267 Год назад

    It hasn’t boom get rekt need