yo i dont wanna ruin the vibe or the joke but pinkpantheress didnt actually produce loop. orbits (loona fans) are known for making up fake news to promote their artists 😭😭
My take on this as a korean is because Kpop is a business and as a music business you need to understand the music trends to maximize profit. "Wow my favorite idol also fws Ken Carson? She's literally me fr!" No bro she's a figurehead for the companies to milk money off of you within a parasocial relationship. I think there's tons of interesting korean artists like Mid Air Thief, Yaeji, Busker Busker, Beenzino, etc. But big Kpop groups are usually just pawns to a business. That's why the idols are so restricted too. When you are an idol, you are a product for the company. That's my theory at least.
@@cfealzyIt’s not just teenage girls it also leeches off teenage boys and lonely grown adult men and woman who are weirdly obsessed of boy groups and girl groups that has members consisting of under age members…
I'm mostly a rap fan but has recently started listening to some more k-pop and your video really helped me understand why I was so drawn to these k-pop songs. Such a great video!
4:40 PinkPantheress is a KPop fan! She loves NCT and cites f(x) as one of her greatest inspirations (f(x) member Sulli in my profile pic). She took "You melt up my body and all my heart" from Ice Cream by f(x) and put it in Another Life. She even made a cover of So Wet by Beenzino (not pop but still)
goated video, it's also interesting how there is a new fanbase mixing underground and kpop on social medias that's starting to gain lots of traction. We see a lot of meme page that link the 2 genres, I think of kpopium who's such a fun dude. It's also interesting cause fondamentaly, kpop and underground rap are 2 completely opposed worlds, I guess when the fanbases are delusional and bath in parasocial, it works lmao
i think we reached a point in general in music where genres, artists etc... intertwine so much from everywhere in the world that we're slowly starting to break language/cultural barriers so it's very cool to see that. Especially Rap being as big as it is today it declined into many sub-genres, i can hear the hip-hop influence in so many pop songs or artists from widely different genres these days all across the world. Through the beats, the rapping sometimes, the aesthetic, fashion etc...
As someone who is also obsessed with underground and kpop, this video was so much fun, and interesting from start to finish 🔥 keep going man youre gonna go big
Bro, thank you for the video, I listen to both the underground rap scene and the kpop scene, and I thought I heard one in the other and that I was going crazy, but I’m not the only onthank you for the video, but I’m not the only one
YOUNG POSSE MENTIONED! im so glad you did, theyre actively taking influence from and honoring older hiphop and various rap genres! its a very cool concept :)
I can't wait for K-Pop to be original and stop going from genres to genres without even giving proper credits or where the genres come from. It really make them look like brats who are given a song that is meant to be viral, and we can't see their artistry. Especially since those songs aren't meant for them, they use a lot of techniques to make people think they really know how sing when they don't in this genre and also copy every single song to make a new one so people won't catch them copying. 1st Gen was obsessed with Western/Afro American Groups such as NSYNC, B2K, BACKSTREETBOYS, TLC, Destiny child and even got lawsuits for "inspiration" that turned out plagiarism with a lot of cultural appropriation. The second gen was copying the J-Pop industry and the Y2K like Britney Spears and Disney Channel. 3rd Gen was copying RNB artists like Tinashe and got away with it and also tried to be Latinos. Now, 4th Gen either want to make Amapiano or Afro mixing both or jump on tiktok music with Hyperpop, Pluggnb, Uk Garage, DNB, and House... like- I mean those are genres of music, and everyone can make music, but they don't give proper credits, pass as those who created it, and most of them are racist and materialistic.
@selenaflows whether you like it or not, K-Pop is a genre. Because there is literally K-Rnb that gives credits to Rnb artists while K-Pop is just taking that to put in an album.
I wonder what k pop would think of the underground when they go deeper and hear cloud rap hyperpop sigilkore jerk music etc hearing them on a hi-c beat or funeral beat would be wild too
crazy video man really appreciate your focus on current underground beyond just showing how to make beats or talking about underground beef. new subscriber here
Today K-pop sounds like plagiarism, old K-pop remains in the 3rd generation, all there is now is imitation, these songs for tiktok are fast music with beautiful pictures. I don't stay on these videos for long, they don't hook me, I don't need to listen to a copy when there are original talents like the Pink Panther. The original message of K-pop was high-level vocals with incredible charisma on stage. Now all I see is beats and a clear lack of personality. You say that the New Pants are geniuses, but they are just hype, a real success for many years in the talent and versatility of the performer.
Some of those sounds used in Magnetic are almost sampled right out of a Colletta which is a post hardcore band from Atalanta from like 7 years ago. My girl friend listens to K-pop Nonstop, They pretty much borrow from Every Genre of music. They especially love Jersey / Baltimore Club, break beats, and even hear a lot of Japanese city pop and Jpop from the 90s in there like Mflo.
Great video, I just wish as these bigger artists in different genres took from stuff like pluggnb that their fans/mainstream people would actually respect these subgenres, there was a whole twitter feud going on when (Magnetic i think) dropped and all the kpop fans were hating on the actual shit. Just sucks for ppl like summrs & corey lingo who are so talented but don't get the spotlight when bigger artists jack the style. Same shit happened with that shitty uzi watch this remix lmao
100% agreed. unfortunately the kpop industry doesn't really care for the music itself as much as the trend so the quality and sound gets lost along the way.
Because when K-Pop takes influences from these genres, they still retain good song structure and harmony, which these beats are notoriously bad at. Maybe I'm a lot more elegant than people on Twitter at expressing my dislike for it lol
Not sure if this has already been commented, but on the topic of hyperpop, Jungkook's song 3D also has an official remix by the hyperpop artist A. G. Cook! Also one of the absolute legends of hyperpop, Sophie (rest in peace😔) produced 24HRS for Itzy! Tbf it's less of a connection to the hyperpop rap scene and more to the side of hyperpop from places like the PC Music record label but still a fun fact❤
Honest to god came for beats found out about beats and underground rap and Kpop thanks josh hope to make a good song that’s on par with some of these greats
asians have a thing for having the most vague genres of music while at the same time making the most diverse mix of sounds haha its amazing. its insane to me how kpop has so much going in it but it gets all reduced to a single name, its like vocaloid where everything can range from the most simple lightheaded pop song to the most experimental track youve ever heard in your life its soo cool.
Bro hearing outta town and starboys tag dead ass made me laugh cause I’ve only ever heard them in rap. It kinda reminds me of bnyx because I’ve heard his tag on songs from pinkpantheress and even on Afrobeats 😂😭
fun fact if i remember correctly namjoon posted a bladee song on insta not that long ago (but it isn’t that surprising coming from him honestly he rly listens to everything)
this is a prime example of either camp reacting negatively to the other while excluding the vocals which are admittedly a huge factor, they're listening to the same tracks.
yep!... and not trying to clout chase by any means but I was prob the first if not one of the first to ever do it since ive been inspired by kpop since 2014 and dropped my first "mini" tape/mixtape in 2020 with kpop cover art for both regular and deluxe versions and i have a kpop bar in one of my songs only i am not known and have yet to push my music... but hopefully one day ill be known for being one of the first to ever do it as i had always visualized it
i completely forgot uzi with jeon somi and gfriend 😭
u also forgot abt pink pantheress and that fx song she sampled in the same album
yo i dont wanna ruin the vibe or the joke but pinkpantheress didnt actually produce loop. orbits (loona fans) are known for making up fake news to promote their artists 😭😭
i actually did not know that thank you for informing me 😭🙏
@@joshbae also loona didnt disband 😭 theyre just inactive because they left their old company
And that Yeat beat is a distorted copy of the basketball beat from an episode of regular show its a direct copy with hella gain on it
I don't hate loona fans but DAMN N do they piss me off
I’ve learned to never believe an orbit a long time ago 😭
K-pop does this with every genre, afrobeats,pop,plugnb, probably dnb next
what is dnd?
@@alxmxlx oh I meant dnb lol
DnB has been done, check Bebe Yana who was a member of EvoL. She has DnB beats in most of her tracks.
NewJeans also incorporate elements of DnB
there already has been dnb in beats
Music imitates music and the "underground" eventually becomes the mainstream
more like artists take inspiration from each other writing their next hit
NO. YOU NON AMERICANS AND FOREIGNERS COPY AND STEAL MUSIC THAT IS NOT YOURS. NOBODY IS OUT HERE MAKING IRISH MUSIC OR ORIENTAL MUSIC
Which one
u teaching our kpop besties what pluggnb is really be like good job
Can't wait until we get aespa to hop on jerk beats
aespa new jazz 2025
@@joshbae it's damn near bound to happen with all them new jazz beats that started popping on tiktok
god no
@@luvvsick1 lmao i agree theres a limit to all this 😪😪
@@joshbae new jazz is bs ts just yeat rage beats
My take on this as a korean is because Kpop is a business and as a music business you need to understand the music trends to maximize profit. "Wow my favorite idol also fws Ken Carson? She's literally me fr!" No bro she's a figurehead for the companies to milk money off of you within a parasocial relationship. I think there's tons of interesting korean artists like Mid Air Thief, Yaeji, Busker Busker, Beenzino, etc. But big Kpop groups are usually just pawns to a business. That's why the idols are so restricted too. When you are an idol, you are a product for the company. That's my theory at least.
kpop relying on teenage girls around the world that cant connect with their own ppl in the real world is the saddest part abt all this
Bro just found out kpop stars are slaves
u right 💯
i love yaeji
@@cfealzyIt’s not just teenage girls it also leeches off teenage boys and lonely grown adult men and woman who are weirdly obsessed of boy groups and girl groups that has members consisting of under age members…
The genre that both Yeat’s Breathe and Aespa’s Supernova fall under is called Electroclash by the way.
good to know!
damn shit trash then😭
yes and i wanted to say the songs dont sound similar at all
Supernova sounds like a geometry dash song ngl
I'm mostly a rap fan but has recently started listening to some more k-pop and your video really helped me understand why I was so drawn to these k-pop songs. Such a great video!
4:40 PinkPantheress is a KPop fan! She loves NCT and cites f(x) as one of her greatest inspirations (f(x) member Sulli in my profile pic). She took "You melt up my body and all my heart" from Ice Cream by f(x) and put it in Another Life. She even made a cover of So Wet by Beenzino (not pop but still)
Kpop is not a genre
@@chayo4537 it is
Sulli is death
if there's anyone who can explain such a niche topic it's you for sure very interesting video man
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bro i been deep into kpop lately and didnt know why now I know my tastes overlap kpopium is real
All we need is for a kpop group to be on I Am Music and we set
@@jordannelson9765 playboi carti never dropping that a;bum 😔
Same
goated video, it's also interesting how there is a new fanbase mixing underground and kpop on social medias that's starting to gain lots of traction. We see a lot of meme page that link the 2 genres, I think of kpopium who's such a fun dude. It's also interesting cause fondamentaly, kpop and underground rap are 2 completely opposed worlds, I guess when the fanbases are delusional and bath in parasocial, it works lmao
i think we reached a point in general in music where genres, artists etc... intertwine so much from everywhere in the world that we're slowly starting to break language/cultural barriers so it's very cool to see that. Especially Rap being as big as it is today it declined into many sub-genres, i can hear the hip-hop influence in so many pop songs or artists from widely different genres these days all across the world. Through the beats, the rapping sometimes, the aesthetic, fashion etc...
Around the world? No american music point blank period. Where do you hear irish music or oriental music 😂
It’s so big that it’s like a school project 😂
@@chayo4537 Black American music in particular.
@@jaynycha1705 definitely not.
@@chayo4537 seems you dont go outside.
Been into underground since forever and ngl ILLIT really got my eye with their production. Hope they drop soon.
kpop artists are really inspired by western artists and this just proves it even more 😭 i wonder how THOSE kpop stans feel abt this
also great video!
both sides are already losing it in the comments 😭🙏
When you say western.... are we using the EA western or the Western Hemisphere western?
@@TheMarshallDee what is the difference between?
keep kpop korean mfs 😭
@@TheMarshallDee western hemisphere western
wait why is the editing kinda fire
Been loving this series man. Concise, entertaining, informative.
glad to hear it
been waiting for someone to dissect kpop instrumentals n u nailed it love this vid sm
Great video! Young Posse also borrowed part of the song melody from Oliver Francis's ~ AAHYEAHH in their song Skyline.
Loved this video also that beat you made for Glaive was FIRE ASFFF
pinkpantheress is a known kpop stan and has sampled many kpop songs especially from sment artists.
lots of nct
Shes doing it to be ironic. Because you asians and non americans copy everything. Its a schtick
Another banger man, thank you for your insight!
bro i swear when i listend to deja vu for the first time it dropped i fr thought it sound like underground beat
Literally same, it sounds so much like plugg or cloud rap. I though I was the only one who felt it lol
As someone who is also obsessed with underground and kpop, this video was so much fun, and interesting from start to finish 🔥 keep going man youre gonna go big
i always knew that K-Pop was inspired by Hip-Hop, mainly Trap Music, but this video analysis right here blew my mind. 🍭🐙🌍🎁
Bro, thank you for the video, I listen to both the underground rap scene and the kpop scene, and I thought I heard one in the other and that I was going crazy, but I’m not the only onthank you for the video, but I’m not the only one
You hear kpop in underground music really?
@@chayo4537 On the contrary, the underground in K-pop
this video is so full of talent great editing, great scripting, crazy you made that glaive beat too, holyy
twice's song "one spark" has jersey club in the pre-chorus 😂prods snapped
Carti aura even taking over kpop is crazy 😭😭
Idk why I didn't expect Scars, I've been listening to it so much lately
Man I love that song
YOUNG POSSE MENTIONED! im so glad you did, theyre actively taking influence from and honoring older hiphop and various rap genres! its a very cool concept :)
0:09 nobody here underground ☠☠
since when is duwap kaine not underground?
@@unmuchoproblem0 everyone knows him
@@simplyhaniya dont lie
@@simplyhaniya bc u can still be underground and well known
@@unmuchoproblem0 yk what underground means?
Subscribed for the plethora of knowledge and facts behind the scenes.
Thanks mate.
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never thought i'd hear summrs and twice mentioned in the same video. awesome bro great vid
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honestly so hyped for this era of producers , even if some of its repetitive , it opens the door for more creativity
underrated channel great video mans keep it up
Honestly this makes listening to these new sub genre's so much more fun!! Great vid as always!
I can't wait for K-Pop to be original and stop going from genres to genres without even giving proper credits or where the genres come from. It really make them look like brats who are given a song that is meant to be viral, and we can't see their artistry. Especially since those songs aren't meant for them, they use a lot of techniques to make people think they really know how sing when they don't in this genre and also copy every single song to make a new one so people won't catch them copying. 1st Gen was obsessed with Western/Afro American Groups such as NSYNC, B2K, BACKSTREETBOYS, TLC, Destiny child and even got lawsuits for "inspiration" that turned out plagiarism with a lot of cultural appropriation. The second gen was copying the J-Pop industry and the Y2K like Britney Spears and Disney Channel. 3rd Gen was copying RNB artists like Tinashe and got away with it and also tried to be Latinos. Now, 4th Gen either want to make Amapiano or Afro mixing both or jump on tiktok music with Hyperpop, Pluggnb, Uk Garage, DNB, and House... like- I mean those are genres of music, and everyone can make music, but they don't give proper credits, pass as those who created it, and most of them are racist and materialistic.
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"without giving proper credits" what the hell are they supposed to do lmao
k-pop is Not a genre, it’s an industry. and any music industry will contain a variety of genres. or else there is no music. hope this helps!
@selenaflows whether you like it or not, K-Pop is a genre. Because there is literally K-Rnb that gives credits to Rnb artists while K-Pop is just taking that to put in an album.
I wonder what k pop would think of the underground when they go deeper and hear cloud rap hyperpop sigilkore jerk music etc hearing them on a hi-c beat or funeral beat would be wild too
Damn just take everything!
crazy video man really appreciate your focus on current underground beyond just showing how to make beats or talking about underground beef. new subscriber here
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if i could indict this video into the hall of fame i would this is so perfect bro
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An amazing video as always, keep it up g
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Not only do I enjoy this series, but I also love his editing skills. Keep it up, Josh!
The XXL magazine cover is obviously a reference and homage
Perfect person to make this video. Edited so well and 2 of my favorite genres 🔥
Today K-pop sounds like plagiarism, old K-pop remains in the 3rd generation, all there is now is imitation, these songs for tiktok are fast music with beautiful pictures. I don't stay on these videos for long, they don't hook me, I don't need to listen to a copy when there are original talents like the Pink Panther.
The original message of K-pop was high-level vocals with incredible charisma on stage. Now all I see is beats and a clear lack of personality. You say that the New Pants are geniuses, but they are just hype, a real success for many years in the talent and versatility of the performer.
said a whole bunch of nothing
This is straight up hate towards newjeans
@@nafisamaliat5773 держи в курсе
New Pants 😭
Some of those sounds used in Magnetic are almost sampled right out of a Colletta which is a post hardcore band from Atalanta from like 7 years ago. My girl friend listens to K-pop Nonstop, They pretty much borrow from Every Genre of music. They especially love Jersey / Baltimore Club, break beats, and even hear a lot of Japanese city pop and Jpop from the 90s in there like Mflo.
NO WAY KPOP IS TAKING INSPIRATION FROM PLUGGNB --- i never thought i would see this day , thats cool ngl
观看一部影片By music producer观感丝滑得不行
PS：提一句整个影片表现出来的概念成熟度非常高，absolutely brilliant work🧠
XG and Young Posse are very rap and hh inspired in general too
man we were talking about this topic the other day on discord not knowing you were already working on a vid 😂 great video as always
My goat is back posting 🔥
THIS VIDEO IS SO UNBELIEVEABLY FIRE ONG
interesting video josh keep it up!
thanks!
love how to kpop industries is reaching out more to the underground rap scene. a couple years ago they wouldnt even acknowledge it
this is my favourite genre blend, thanks for putting me on some new kpop songs
We get it bro. Kpop is nothing without American hiphop 🤷🏾
To make it short yes.
To make it short. Nope, not at all. Kpop is an entire genre of music, if rap disappeared tommorow, Kpop would still be here.
most of kpop has no relations with hiphop lol. You think people listen to kpop for the "american hiphop" ? 🤣🤣
@@Valstrax420 Yup. We get it. American hiphop is nothing without european literature and poetry.
Kpop started out as something based on American pop. It has nothing to do with hiphop. It’s based or influenced by whatever is popular at the time.
Amazing video
omg yes i was saying magnetic sounds like a kpop pluggnb mix
this is the best youtube video ive watched in a long time
Very informative Josh Bae!
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Subscribed bro, finna put me on to kpop fr
bro put lucki ken lone yeat and amiri in the pic when he said underground😭
underground graduates
Bro😭
omg i love that glaive song i had no clue you produced that beat
Great video, I just wish as these bigger artists in different genres took from stuff like pluggnb that their fans/mainstream people would actually respect these subgenres, there was a whole twitter feud going on when (Magnetic i think) dropped and all the kpop fans were hating on the actual shit. Just sucks for ppl like summrs & corey lingo who are so talented but don't get the spotlight when bigger artists jack the style. Same shit happened with that shitty uzi watch this remix lmao
100% agreed. unfortunately the kpop industry doesn't really care for the music itself as much as the trend so the quality and sound gets lost along the way.
Because when K-Pop takes influences from these genres, they still retain good song structure and harmony, which these beats are notoriously bad at. Maybe I'm a lot more elegant than people on Twitter at expressing my dislike for it lol
@@Veridi Worst take on dis site
@@twinakuma Your music is literally a beat on a loop, what you saying?
@@Veridi Is that not what 99% of rap is today????? And I make my own beats fn I have talent
Not sure if this has already been commented, but on the topic of hyperpop, Jungkook's song 3D also has an official remix by the hyperpop artist A. G. Cook! Also one of the absolute legends of hyperpop, Sophie (rest in peace😔) produced 24HRS for Itzy! Tbf it's less of a connection to the hyperpop rap scene and more to the side of hyperpop from places like the PC Music record label but still a fun fact❤
good to know!
videos are amazing man
This guy is so sugoi, wish i could live with him...
This gonna blow up
love a new josh vid
popped on my feed josh
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Yeat's first song on the video reminded me of Water (Seventeen Hip-Hop Unit)
Amazing video thank you
I love the documentation on ts❤
Honest to god came for beats found out about beats and underground rap and Kpop thanks josh hope to make a good song that’s on par with some of these greats
Aespa is da the most tap in to the new sound
frrr
I'm very interested in these genres, but I'm in trouble because there is not much information in Japan. Thank you!
wow i love that glaive song!
i dont listen at kpop at all but i do repsect they listen to rap. I hope they collaborate with thizzler rappers because they are underrated
BTS and LOONA members have posted Drain Gang stuff too lol its interesting
i love this video because its like my favorite music genres clashing in some of the best (and funniest) ways ever.
asians have a thing for having the most vague genres of music while at the same time making the most diverse mix of sounds haha its amazing.
its insane to me how kpop has so much going in it but it gets all reduced to a single name, its like vocaloid where everything can range from the most simple lightheaded pop song to the most experimental track youve ever heard in your life its soo cool.
Bro hearing outta town and starboys tag dead ass made me laugh cause I’ve only ever heard them in rap. It kinda reminds me of bnyx because I’ve heard his tag on songs from pinkpantheress and even on Afrobeats 😂😭
I mix my kpop playlist wit sum underground tracks they mix perfectly
I recently discovered that a famous french rap beat maker (Nardey) made a collab with my favorite Hong Kong singer (Chanka), that’s crazy.
Nice to meet you is the best pinkpantheress song fr
Now i understand why i like certain kpop song
fun fact if i remember correctly namjoon posted a bladee song on insta not that long ago (but it isn’t that surprising coming from him honestly he rly listens to everything)
Wait no way 😭 that’s why bts rap line are the best ever
this one of my fav trends to pop up recently lmaoo
Dang the beat you made is fire 😂
cant wait for that opium kpop collab tape 🙏🙏
this is a prime example of either camp reacting negatively to the other while excluding the vocals which are admittedly a huge factor, they're listening to the same tracks.
loona's been doing drum and bass and synthpop music for a while you gotta listen to their discography
Lone was also seen at a K-pop concert
which group
this a really well made video 🤝
yep!... and not trying to clout chase by any means but I was prob the first if not one of the first to ever do it since ive been inspired by kpop since 2014 and dropped my first "mini" tape/mixtape in 2020 with kpop cover art for both regular and deluxe versions and i have a kpop bar in one of my songs only i am not known and have yet to push my music... but hopefully one day ill be known for being one of the first to ever do it as i had always visualized it
GREAT VIDEO RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
you should checkout heize's music, she's got magic in her song productions
yeah love her music
Supernova sounding that way is not a surprise as it was produced by Dem Jointz, who is Dre and Eminem's producer.