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The total number of ATGMs for the Rakjpz is actually 2 separate stores. If 1 rail uses up half of your total ATGMs, then it won't be able to fire again despite there being ammo left
that's what i was thinking, 2 could work because if they're separated into individual sets then you'd need 12 keybinds to switch ammo types if you bring HEAT and HESH at the same time lol
@@thatrandomfox2623 yeah I was put off by the whole two barrels thing, but it quickly became my favorite vehicle in the game, especially after I learned how to use HESH
It’s funny that they went through the trouble of basically creating a vehicle which has technically 1 gun, that shoots 6 times and each shot “spawns” on a different “hole”. But this kinda is tricky cuz if you had to individually select and fire each barrel, you would basically be dead, yea you could play it even more rat like cuz you could select a specific cannon and then just stick that barrel out around a corner or something, but you can’t blast them.
"but muh game limitations" Literally not, it is simply from developers laziness as they have proven that separating gun models is doable ( multigun tanks like wirbel, or any double barrel) and separating 2 groups as primary and secondary is doable too (all double barrel recoilless, Maus etc).
it's a mix, iirc it was the first one out there that came with those guns, and they just didn't update it as they improved on the newer additions, they didn't have the multibarrel tech back then, they do now, it's likely an oversight
Happens a lot it's still one of the best vehicles in game. If you could reload separately, it'd be incredibly OP. It should only reload while stationary and with rear armor hatch open though!
@@IvanTre No it shouldn't. How you could ever think the M50 is "OP" is bizarre. It's insane enough already that the T114 is 7.7. What's actually "OP" is the Fiat and German LGS battle pass thing that has a 20mm alongside its recoilless rifle, both of those can literally shoot you imperviously from behind cover and you can't do shit about it. Both the T114 and M50 have to expose themselves in order to shoot a target. The M50 also takes a bit more practice to get good at, but if you do it and learn, it easily outclasses the T114.
Yeah, I never thought about it, but it's really wild that the Ontos's guns aren't split into two groups. I imagine most people bind their secondary guns to RMB anyways, so having Left & Right gun groups for firing would be a pretty natural way of doing ti.
This reminds me how several cast hull shermans in game have variations in armor thickness in adjacent locations (like the front corners) even if the casting shape is the same (M4 Hybrid and M4A1 76) This could be historical with different companies delivering different castings, but something is up, I just know it
I think the problem is simply that it'd be too much. You can't have 6x2=12 ammo types, save for 12 different weapon keybinds. What they could do is split them in left and right, so they could easily port the 2-weapon mechanic over from the over tanks
Other problem with the ontos is that it's 6.7 but it's brother the T114 has somehow managed to be moved all the way up to 7.7 for some godforsaken reason; so now you have no backup.
Imo, the left and right 3 guns should get a diferent model, but not each gun. Shooting 6 guns would be painful Edit: 6 guns diferently modeled is also impossible due to lack of controls. There can be, at best, my mentioned division of 3 left and 3 right
I feel like this is due to game engine limitation, or other technical limitation of keybindings since they are all considered as primary weaponry. Kind of like rockets on a plane or even mounted on a tank like caliope, where you can't shoot which rockets you want to.
Its ridiculous; They could have modeled the left and right side to be separate but what im guessing happened they saw six independent barrels and thought "It makes no sense to model each individually because that would be 12 options to choose which shell to load" and this blinded them to the more simple and intuitive solution. "How did it even make it to live servers?!"
Probably the reason why the Ontos is not like the Type 60 SPRG is due to what you stated at 0:53. It isd IMMENSELY impractical to have 12 of your hotkeys for each cannon's 2 ammo types. That being said, it's laziness on Gaijin's part to not have each Ontos barrel seperately damage modeled. It just takes a more lines of code that they could easily churn out in a few days, a week at most.
well i think this is to balance that thing a little bit like, its literally 6 cannons firing at a tank, most of the time one shots it, so i consider it fair
I think that each side should be your secondary and primary guns, that like the USH each reload after three shots, as realistically there is no way a man has 6 arms.
Imagine if the action bar on the bottom stretched to have twelve whole slots for the ammo selection of each individual barrel. I don't think Gaijin is willing to code that mess, let alone give it six separate barrel models for people to have to shoot.
Yeah this inconsistency has been for ages. I get having to shoot all 6 guns to disable it is kinda tedious. Maybe have 2 sets of model with 3 guns each, L and R.
I understand the limitations but it'd be nice one half could still operate rather than all 6 cannons be deactivated if they were shot. Despite that the Ontos is one of my highest KD ratio vehicles, love that little six shooter gun.
While I do think that gaijin needs to separate the damage model of the guns on the ontos, individual loading for every single one would be a nightmare to deal with keybinding wise. Gaijin could always add a special UI for loading on vehicles with a lot of guns but we all know given their laziness they probably won't. A good middle ground would be to split the left and right side guns loading so you can load 3 with one type and 3 with another (individual damage models tho still).
m50 6연장 무반동포 의 주무기를 개별무기로 할려면 게임시스템을 좀 많이 만져야함 알다시피 포 2개달린놈은 1,2,3,4 로 탄촌 바꾸는데 6연장은 밑 ui를 수정해야하고 조작법도 추가/수정 등 많이 만져야함 말은 쉽지 실제로 코드를 고쳐도 어디선가 무조건 에러가나고 고치면 다른곳에 에러가 나 이렇게 많이수정해야고 코드자체가 스파게티코드인 썬더는 저런 동시에 많른 상호작용하는 시스템을 수정/추가 등 동작들을 하려면 많은 시간과 뭐..여러가지가 걸리지 또 뭐냐 저번에 추가한 파편방지 장갑? 그런것도 뭐 위랑같이 러렵지 않냐 라고 생각할수있는데 잘 생각해보면 그건 약간에 장갑능력(2~8mm였나?)와 파편방지가 다인데 파편방지는 기존장갑에서 파편샌성확율을 줄이면돼서 생각보다는 쉽지
Six guns. And even then, it's not even overpowered in the slightest: it just has a lot of guns to fire and they can be relatively tricky to aim given their positioning on both sides of the turret. You also have to expend all six rounds before you can reload, something that the R3 T106 FA and Type 60 SPRG don't need to do, which was clearly shown here. It also does not have a full 360 degrees of traverse and has a relatively slow traverse speed to boot. Yes, it's an effective ambush vehicle especially when the hull is bushed up. But it is severely limited by its quirks as a vehicle. It's not too mobile, is easy to kill as a light vehicle, and can literally be bullied by shooting any one of the six guns which renders it completely defenseless. And no, the .50 cal spotting rifles on it are not effective against enemies.
@@Horizon_333 since you have only 8 ATGMs, 4 in the launcher and 4 in the tank, you can change them only once, so effectively you choose it before the battle
as a former US 7.3 grinder, this is the only thing, among other minor details, stopping US few but powerful vehicles from being overpowered kinda wishing germany would get the same treatment tbh (raketenautomat)
Honestly, it would be quite OP if you had to destroy all 6 of them to make it unable to fight. This way you could say calliope should have model for each rocket as well, or katyusha. That would just be really strong as hell
Honestly, besides the lazy dev explanation, I think it's more of a we're not letting you fire nonstop this vehicle by giving it separate reloads by only making it a single gun Though it would be nice if it changes to 6 individual guns at least. Ontos survives more than it should because of the hits stopped by the barrels, which arguably is bs but have you seen this thing? Gaijin, give it a break
In their defense the doctrine of use was fire all 6 then get to reload the rifles manually. So irl u couldn't stagger the fire like that cus some guy has to get of of ontos lol
Literally not, it is simply from developers laziness as they have proven that separating gun models is doable ( multigun tanks like wirbel, or any double barrel) and separating 2 groups as primary and secondary is doable too (all double barrel recoilless, Maus etc).
Every kind of game limitation can be removed if you want with enough work. But gaijin likes to focus on adding the 100th premium vehicle instead of working on the game
This is just gaijin being lazy, the other tanks were introduced after the ontos, but because its a old tank they dont see it as a priority to fix. Just like with everything else in this game.
I've always said... the only thing consistent about WT is that it is consistently inconsistent. Just uninstall, your mental health will appreciate it. Go outside, go fishing, talk to a human face to face, find a good place to get a feed or just a coffee. Stop wasting time and money on Gaijin.
deserved, i just cant deal with some no skill ontos flanking and evicerating our entire team cause they refuse to be aware its basically "you pen everything you see, your shells explody and you get 6 shots that have no delay whatsoever" truely 7.0-7.3 materiel
Id say this is a bad thing but i hate the ontos. Ironically the main balancing factor for cancer vehicles such as this and the ush or raketenautomat is that the player that play them are utter trash at the game.
Игры
The total number of ATGMs for the Rakjpz is actually 2 separate stores. If 1 rail uses up half of your total ATGMs, then it won't be able to fire again despite there being ammo left
Anti air also have separate guns so if one goes out the other can still fire
Most annoying example being the ZSU-57-2
Haha my dear doom-box
It's still better than if they would not work. I don't think losing ability to fire from clean cannon is very realistic
Except the M19 and M42 in my experience
pretty sure the wirbelwind has all 4 guns in 1 model
M19A1/M42 Duster my beloved
they couldn't even separate the damage models into "sets" of 2-3 guns each
that's what i was thinking, 2 could work because if they're separated into individual sets then you'd need 12 keybinds to switch ammo types if you bring HEAT and HESH at the same time lol
They could bind the left 3 to primary fire and the right three to secondary all while keeping all of the guns separated model-wise.
But then they would seperate the ammo stores like on other dual gun recoilless rifle vehicles. I hate that so much.
Finally someone talks about this. I’ve been so annoyed over this issue for years and it’s still in game
type 60 sprg my beloved
type 60 ATM:💀
I love that thing
Didn't think I would like it at first but it quickly turned out to be a lot of fun and probably one of my favorite light tanks
@@thatrandomfox2623 yeah I was put off by the whole two barrels thing, but it quickly became my favorite vehicle in the game, especially after I learned how to use HESH
The depression on it is my favorite thing about it. Besides the crew models. Those are really nice.
#EndOntosRacisim
It’s funny that they went through the trouble of basically creating a vehicle which has technically 1 gun, that shoots 6 times and each shot “spawns” on a different “hole”. But this kinda is tricky cuz if you had to individually select and fire each barrel, you would basically be dead, yea you could play it even more rat like cuz you could select a specific cannon and then just stick that barrel out around a corner or something, but you can’t blast them.
"but muh game limitations"
Literally not, it is simply from developers laziness as they have proven that separating gun models is doable ( multigun tanks like wirbel, or any double barrel) and separating 2 groups as primary and secondary is doable too (all double barrel recoilless, Maus etc).
it's a mix, iirc it was the first one out there that came with those guns, and they just didn't update it as they improved on the newer additions, they didn't have the multibarrel tech back then, they do now, it's likely an oversight
@@jujuteuxOfficialIt's true that it came first but they had all the reports and years to fix it.
@@kamiskub7409 did it? never seen reports about that
@@jujuteuxOfficial yes there are plenty of reports that got flagged as "not a bug" by the great all mighty "TrickZZter".
3 reports on the issue on just the new reporting site, must have been so much more on old forum.
Imagine ontos have seperate cannon, the hotbar will need 12 button just to change shell type
Could split into L/R so there is 4 buttons which the game allows for regular guns
Funnily I’ve never seen an M50 with its guns destroyed
I mean, you’re already dead before the gun could be disabled….
Happens a lot it's still one of the best vehicles in game.
If you could reload separately, it'd be incredibly OP.
It should only reload while stationary and with rear armor hatch open though!
@@IvanTre or just divide the reload on 2 sides and extend it relative to reload time on regular single 106 Guns.
@@IvanTre No it shouldn't. How you could ever think the M50 is "OP" is bizarre. It's insane enough already that the T114 is 7.7.
What's actually "OP" is the Fiat and German LGS battle pass thing that has a 20mm alongside its recoilless rifle, both of those can literally shoot you imperviously from behind cover and you can't do shit about it.
Both the T114 and M50 have to expose themselves in order to shoot a target.
The M50 also takes a bit more practice to get good at, but if you do it and learn, it easily outclasses the T114.
@@soleed7138 The amount of times that I've shot an Ontos with 88mm, 105mm and 120mm and bounced off of the dinky 10mm upper plate.
Yeah, I never thought about it, but it's really wild that the Ontos's guns aren't split into two groups. I imagine most people bind their secondary guns to RMB anyways, so having Left & Right gun groups for firing would be a pretty natural way of doing ti.
This reminds me how several cast hull shermans in game have variations in armor thickness in adjacent locations (like the front corners) even if the casting shape is the same (M4 Hybrid and M4A1 76)
This could be historical with different companies delivering different castings, but something is up, I just know it
I think the problem is simply that it'd be too much. You can't have 6x2=12 ammo types, save for 12 different weapon keybinds. What they could do is split them in left and right, so they could easily port the 2-weapon mechanic over from the over tanks
The ac4 hangar music in the background :)
Other problem with the ontos is that it's 6.7 but it's brother the T114 has somehow managed to be moved all the way up to 7.7 for some godforsaken reason; so now you have no backup.
K2 Krabiwe was talking about this problem long time ago in video called "War Thunder Double Standarts"
Imo, the left and right 3 guns should get a diferent model, but not each gun. Shooting 6 guns would be painful
Edit: 6 guns diferently modeled is also impossible due to lack of controls. There can be, at best, my mentioned division of 3 left and 3 right
The ONTOS looks cool as fuck though.
The Ontos is basically ground CAS, I mean its got cannons with explosives and normal bullets. What else does one need.
@@thecringeinspector5636 Still looks cool
Ace Combat 4 music goes hard
This has been an issue since they introduced the Italians XD
I feel like this is due to game engine limitation, or other technical limitation of keybindings since they are all considered as primary weaponry. Kind of like rockets on a plane or even mounted on a tank like caliope, where you can't shoot which rockets you want to.
My guy have you seen the Transmission on the M50??
It does not look like a Normal tank Transmission to me.
Its ridiculous; They could have modeled the left and right side to be separate but what im guessing happened they saw six independent barrels and thought "It makes no sense to model each individually because that would be 12 options to choose which shell to load" and this blinded them to the more simple and intuitive solution. "How did it even make it to live servers?!"
It's not that bad, it's true that having right/left separate controls would be better but ontos with a custom sight makes it a lot better
Probably the reason why the Ontos is not like the Type 60 SPRG is due to what you stated at 0:53. It isd IMMENSELY impractical to have 12 of your hotkeys for each cannon's 2 ammo types. That being said, it's laziness on Gaijin's part to not have each Ontos barrel seperately damage modeled. It just takes a more lines of code that they could easily churn out in a few days, a week at most.
And then you get some guns have no hit box at all, mostly the HMG’s on top of T-55’s and IS’s.
well i think this is to balance that thing a little bit like, its literally 6 cannons firing at a tank, most of the time one shots it, so i consider it fair
M50 untus be like
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA UNTUUUUS
I think that each side should be your secondary and primary guns, that like the USH each reload after three shots, as realistically there is no way a man has 6 arms.
Hope they divide at least each side into their own group of three.
That explains why i lost all of my 6 guns yesterday
I can't believe that this thing ever existed, wtf is that ? A Dorito with 6 canons, simply ridiculous
Theres a weird bug with the type 60 sprg tracks that they dont move when it's turning to the right.
FINALLY SOMEONE NOTICED THIS PROBLEM!
yes its inconsistent but the ontos is already a very strong spg at its br, id really prefer not buffing it without a br change
Imagine if the action bar on the bottom stretched to have twelve whole slots for the ammo selection of each individual barrel. I don't think Gaijin is willing to code that mess, let alone give it six separate barrel models for people to have to shoot.
Yeah this inconsistency has been for ages. I get having to shoot all 6 guns to disable it is kinda tedious. Maybe have 2 sets of model with 3 guns each, L and R.
I understand the limitations but it'd be nice one half could still operate rather than all 6 cannons be deactivated if they were shot. Despite that the Ontos is one of my highest KD ratio vehicles, love that little six shooter gun.
The info’s is still fun af
Could it be limited to 6 barrels divided to 2 sides modelled since i cant imagine having to disable 6 guns
While I do think that gaijin needs to separate the damage model of the guns on the ontos, individual loading for every single one would be a nightmare to deal with keybinding wise. Gaijin could always add a special UI for loading on vehicles with a lot of guns but we all know given their laziness they probably won't. A good middle ground would be to split the left and right side guns loading so you can load 3 with one type and 3 with another (individual damage models tho still).
I think for sake of fairness and balance the left 3 guns should be seperated from the right 3 , but all guns should not be individual
Balancing? No
Laziness? Yes
저것 뿐만이 아니라 포신에 머즐 달려있는애들 머즐의 완전 끝 부분 맞아도 포신 나가고
공중 우세 업데이트 전에는 CV90의 엔진 모듈이 흡기 까지 있었는데 거기 맞으면 엔진 나감 지금은 그거 없어짐
I was about to start grinding this cute thing, noo
DUDE, I HAVE WAR THUNDER INSTALLED BUT EVERYTIME IT APPEARS ME A WAR THUNDER ADD
M50이 포가 6개고 탄종이 2개니까 모듈별로 분리하면 탄 선택지가 12개나 돼서 아예 통째로 만든거 같아요
m50 6연장 무반동포 의 주무기를 개별무기로 할려면 게임시스템을 좀 많이 만져야함 알다시피 포 2개달린놈은 1,2,3,4 로 탄촌 바꾸는데 6연장은 밑 ui를 수정해야하고 조작법도 추가/수정 등 많이 만져야함
말은 쉽지 실제로 코드를 고쳐도 어디선가 무조건 에러가나고 고치면 다른곳에 에러가 나
이렇게 많이수정해야고 코드자체가 스파게티코드인 썬더는 저런 동시에 많른 상호작용하는 시스템을 수정/추가 등 동작들을 하려면 많은 시간과 뭐..여러가지가 걸리지
또 뭐냐 저번에 추가한 파편방지 장갑? 그런것도 뭐 위랑같이 러렵지 않냐 라고 생각할수있는데 잘 생각해보면 그건 약간에 장갑능력(2~8mm였나?)와 파편방지가 다인데 파편방지는 기존장갑에서 파편샌성확율을 줄이면돼서 생각보다는 쉽지
No song source???????
😭😭😭
If they model it properly move it to 7.3-7.7 pls.
How do you make the type 60 shoot one at a time
Separate keybind for primary and secondary gun, as far as I know. .
This doesent really matter because this thing doesent have any survivability to begin with,once you're spotted,it's over 95% of the time
assign 3 to one button and the other three to another button. not perfect but an easy fix
Its a tiny vehicle with very good rat capabilities, so its balanced i guess.
한국에서 계속 이해가 안가는 건데 영어로는 제대로 모델이라 적어놓고 왜 모델을 계속 모델링이라고 하는건지 모르겠음 ㅋㅋ 모델하면 그 옷입는 모델 하고 헷갈려서 그런건가 ?
백과사전에서 온토스 왈:밖에서 장전해야됨에도 불구하고 인기가 많았다
the ontos needs a rework, its obviously the oldest of them all.
Ontos suffer
Ontos has suffered this for half a decade, just saying
Heat slinger: “suffered” 💀
What do you bet this is just a legacy issue.
I reported this ages ago, "not a bug"
I think gaijin think it’s overpower since it has 5 guns.
6 lil bro not 5
Six guns. And even then, it's not even overpowered in the slightest: it just has a lot of guns to fire and they can be relatively tricky to aim given their positioning on both sides of the turret. You also have to expend all six rounds before you can reload, something that the R3 T106 FA and Type 60 SPRG don't need to do, which was clearly shown here. It also does not have a full 360 degrees of traverse and has a relatively slow traverse speed to boot.
Yes, it's an effective ambush vehicle especially when the hull is bushed up. But it is severely limited by its quirks as a vehicle. It's not too mobile, is easy to kill as a light vehicle, and can literally be bullied by shooting any one of the six guns which renders it completely defenseless. And no, the .50 cal spotting rifles on it are not effective against enemies.
mb
Math issue
real
사실 그전에 죽어서 많이 체감을 못했네ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
if you do this ONTOS will go 7.0 easly
Usual Gaijin lazyness.
Classic Gaijin double standard...
I literally skipped the ontos for this reason, it's just so clunky to play.
If they will fix that, it probably would brake reload logic. Because you cant reload that thing until you fire all ammo
BMP-2M also cant select which ATGM to shoot)
Pretty sure u can select half hevt and half tandem
@@Horizon_333 no, I mean left or right. And also all 4 are he-vt or tandem, you can change them only after you shoot them off
@@iansysoev9462 ahh ok I see, similar with the Sturm s, if the reload starts you can't change the atgm, gotta select it before shooting
@@Horizon_333 since you have only 8 ATGMs, 4 in the launcher and 4 in the tank, you can change them only once, so effectively you choose it before the battle
as a former US 7.3 grinder, this is the only thing, among other minor details, stopping US few but powerful vehicles from being overpowered
kinda wishing germany would get the same treatment tbh (raketenautomat)
Woah, I never realised they were grouped together like that, kinda Rigged tbh
Honestly, it would be quite OP if you had to destroy all 6 of them to make it unable to fight. This way you could say calliope should have model for each rocket as well, or katyusha. That would just be really strong as hell
i dont like why gaijin do this
Classic lazy gaijin
no anti us bias at all
who plays the ontos anyway?
Honestly, besides the lazy dev explanation, I think it's more of a we're not letting you fire nonstop this vehicle by giving it separate reloads by only making it a single gun
Though it would be nice if it changes to 6 individual guns at least. Ontos survives more than it should because of the hits stopped by the barrels, which arguably is bs but have you seen this thing? Gaijin, give it a break
In their defense the doctrine of use was fire all 6 then get to reload the rifles manually. So irl u couldn't stagger the fire like that cus some guy has to get of of ontos lol
@@spyczech That's my doctrine too when I get jumpscared by a Tiger II
Good i wish for everyone who uses that thingb a very annoying and inconvenient day
most likely due to how the game handles multi-weapons on tanks and its limitations
Literally not, it is simply from developers laziness as they have proven that separating gun models is doable ( multigun tanks like wirbel, or any double barrel) and separating 2 groups as primary and secondary is doable too (all double barrel recoilless, Maus etc).
Every kind of game limitation can be removed if you want with enough work. But gaijin likes to focus on adding the 100th premium vehicle instead of working on the game
ㅈㄹ 났다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
This is just gaijin being lazy, the other tanks were introduced after the ontos, but because its a old tank they dont see it as a priority to fix. Just like with everything else in this game.
god damnit Gaijoob, at least have consistency 🙄🙄
First view and great video
Interesting
I've always said... the only thing consistent about WT is that it is consistently inconsistent.
Just uninstall, your mental health will appreciate it. Go outside, go fishing, talk to a human face to face, find a good place to get a feed or just a coffee. Stop wasting time and money on Gaijin.
Classic USA vechicle L by Gaijin
Well that's just lazy programming.
deserved, i just cant deal with some no skill ontos flanking and evicerating our entire team cause they refuse to be aware
its basically "you pen everything you see, your shells explody and you get 6 shots that have no delay whatsoever" truely 7.0-7.3 materiel
racism
Id say this is a bad thing but i hate the ontos. Ironically the main balancing factor for cancer vehicles such as this and the ush or raketenautomat is that the player that play them are utter trash at the game.