can I just say that your approach to making this video with the use of history and practical information gave off both a charismatic and calming feel to my beginners coffee making experience!
As a total pourover newb (4 days into my first V60), and this is the best video I've found so far for information, technique and the differences to expect from the brewed coffee. Nicely done.
Signs that you've been watching too many coffee videos on youtube: loudly saying "whoa what are you doing" out loud despite being alone in a room when you see she doesn't empty out the initial hot water.
I've been taught that with the Chemex you want to give it a swirl to mix the brewed coffee just prior to pouring into the cup. It is supposed to make for a more consistent coffee, especially if you make a bigger quantity.
Chemex will give smooth light taste compared to the V60 but it all depends on the type of coffee you are using some type of coffee will taste good in the Chemex & some will taste good using V60 I like that some cafes suggest you which coffee to use in the Chemex or v60 at the end it all depends on what you like try the same coffee in each tool & see which will give you the best flavor
I find, when I try a new coffee I'll do both and choose a favourite method for each particular coffee, usually if it's a lighter roast that I find too acidic I'll use the Chemex, and if it's darker and needs the acidity to be more prominent I'll use a Bialetti Moka pot, and the Hario sits somewhere in the middle. I have the gear acquisition disorder, my kitchen is littered with coffee making tools.
I have a Chemex, and I actually use a fine grind and I like it ! It comes out nice and rich like yours in the Hario! I've had my Chemex for 3 years and there's no comparison I may try the Hario sometime, but i'm loving the coffee coming out of the Chemex ! Thanks for entertaining us coffee nerds!!
I find that the recommended grind level for the Chemex is too coarse. I use the exact same level of grind for both the Chemex and the Hario, just one big click finer than they usually recommend for the Chemex, and the coffee comes out perfect every time. And I don't obsess over time, once I know I have the grind level right, I let it do it's thing and remove the filter when all the water has drained through. Lovely.
Reminds me of people of Rio de Janeiro when they tell you " come over to my house" or "give me a call" but they did not tell you where they live neither did they give you their phone number..ah ah
at the acid part I would have loved to see her test that hypothesis out to see if the filters really did have an effect on the acid. Repeat the hario but with 2 or 3 filters to see if there was a difference.
The biggest difference between the two is the filters and the fact that you can brew for 2-3 people with the chemex. Brew with the same filter and grind setting in both and you will not be able to tell the difference. The chemex filter adds increased resistance which allows you to use a coarser grind without underextracting. Also, as you mentioned, more of the oils are stripped from the end product resulting in a more tea like delicate cup that should be consumed black.
I also really enjoy watching your videos, thank you. I had a tough time deciding between the two of these as well. Ended up buying them both and go back and fourth between the two, can't settle on a favourite.
In love with manual brewing....mostly kenyan coffee amazing...but when it comes to grinding...I think coffee is best grinded when ready for use coz if you pre grind it....remember the enemies of coffee....oxygen being the main so it might interfere with the flavours of the coffee in the cup ...this how I find it best....but this was great...am coming to your house and get coffee 😊
Just got my Chemex this week and it's like I've been drinking sludge for years hahahaha, I can actually taste the notes the roasters speak of very clearly, nice clean cuppa
@@Vergil1876 -- I think so. It's more work than an auto drip coffee maker but the added control makes for a more flavorful cup. (Unless you mean you have a cheaper pour-over manual coffee maker like a Melitta; I'm not sure an upgrade to a V60 or Chemex would make *that* much of a difference, although they're more beautiful to hold and look at.)
I just bought an OXO glass pour over set, much like these, but with three small holes at the bottom and a basket filter. I did learn how to pour better from you people, lol! And learned to use a gooseneck kettle, so there is cross-over. Btw, I love my coffee this way, it's by far the best coffee I've ever made or had. Thanks for the tips. ;)
Thanks for doing this, Gail. I just started making pour-over coffee last week with my Hario V60 and like the boldness, but would like to try the lighter aspects of coffee through a Chemex filter. I'm going to try the Chemex filter in my Hario V60 to see the difference for myself and will likely end up purchasing a Chemex system. I like experimenting with different coffees and different roasts.
Annikichan The Chemex just wasn’t for me. It was too tough to make the same cup of coffee twice, let alone every day. Also, the right filters were a bear to locate. Expensive, too! I am much happier with the Hario V 60.
This randomly popped into my feed, but this is the video that got me to buy my first chemex and electric kettle 5 years ago. Oh the nostalgia. Side note, I miss the old Chemex design. Woodless is easier to clean but jeez. Anyway, thanks for eventually turning me into a espresso nerd for a few years.
Because these are both drip coffee style brewers, to have a fair assessment of the taste they produced was to use the same grind setting. The more acidic taste from the v60 could be very much due to being used in it a finer grind, not necessarily or entirely due to the different filter mesh.
It isn't reasonable to use an identical grind when one has nearly 3x as much paper mass. The fairest way to compare the two is to brew them both exactly as they both should be brewed. You don't make it a fair test by brewing one of them wrong. If she was comparing an Americano to a long black filter, do you think the Espresso and the filter should use an identical grind, too?
Chemex is suppossed to take longer to brew. About 30-40 sec longer than the Hario. I brew with 12 oz of water and Hario takes about 2:30min and Chemex takes 3-3:10 min
I wonder how the meassurements of dissolved solids are. I bet it's much higher for the Hario. When I brew manual pour over I usually go like this from finest to corsest: HarioV60 ,Kalita Wave and Beehouse similar,Chemex,Walküre and then french press is a litle bit coarser than Walküre.
As someone else noted, beside the filter paper used, the other variation is the grind size, and I think the taste variance would also be more distinct had you cleansed your palette in between. Nice little video overall, thanks! :)
@@overinvested What? We are comparing two different ways of making coffee - so the two are compared within the constraints of the correct method. Grind coarseness is part of the method. If you made it the same for both, one would have an advantage over the other. If you were testing the towing capacity of a diesel car vs. a petrol car, you'd use the correct fuel, not just the one fuel for both.
@@michaelbrathwaite7019 Jaidyn weight is correct. Grind size differs between these two methods. You might prefer one method over the other but the grind size should match the brew method.
@@michaelbrathwaite7019, Chemex papers have a higher resistance than the V60 papers, causing the water to drain slower through them. Slower water flow means there is a longer extraction time. Thus you need a coarser grind with the Chemex in order to not over-extract the coffee.
I’m curious about pour overs but love my French press. I can’t imagine a fuller, bolder cup of coffee from a pour over. Guess I’ll have to give one a try. I like the bowl design of the first pour over. I think I’ll try it.
I like them both. If you do a fine grind and a metal mesh filter with the Chemex its pretty close to French press because of the longer extraction time and probably more particulate matter getting through. It makes a pretty rich cup. Right now I think I like the pour over best but it may just be the new toy thing. Get one they are pretty cheap
I use both, a Hario V60 at work and a Chemex 6-cup at home and of the two I much favour the Chemex for it's clean and yet full flavour and mouthfeel. The advantage with the thinner paper of the Hario is that you can use the pre-ground goffee that my workplace uses without the brew stalling.
Depends on the roast. Light roasts aren't as great in a Chemex because you need a finer grind with a light roast and finer grinds do not work well with the chemex filter. With medium - dark roasts the chemex produces a notable smoother and cleaner more balanced cup of coffee. I'm guessing you prefer light roasts, in which your comment makes perfect sense.
@@jacobpetersen5662 I like dark roasts but my wife can only drink light roasts, so we brew up both. All round, I just like the Hario better. We had a Chemex for years (until a mug fell out of the cupboard and broke it) and thought it was the best until we replaced it with the Hario. We wouldn't go back, though I love the Chemex design.
@@SeattleCoffeeGear How many seconds does it to pour the hot water into the coffee and how many seconds do you break before continuing? I also want to know how many minutes should I take in total to brew both v60 and chemix after the time starts ticking?
Best thing about V60 is, I wet and warm the filter paper into the carafe but start making coffee into the mug I decide to have my coffee in. This is soecially beneficial for decaf coffee because it tends to pour through much slower hence resulting in a much less hot cup of coffee. When I brew directly into my mug, it doesnt matter if I warm up the mug with hot rinse it just results in a nice hot cup of coffee. With chemex and Bodum you have to microwave your mug before pouring in your cup, especially in winters.
A teaspoon of activated carbon has the surface area of an American football field. Or so I’m told. A gram has upwards of 3000 meters squared. So grind size difference should account for something I do believe. I’m not aware of surface area studies of difference coffee bean grinds. So I’m obviously crossing over. It’s interesting to contemplate.
Excellent video. Thanks for taking the time to film and edit it and of course for positing it for our benefit. Keep up the good work! I guess they should tell you to buy a scale when you get the systems.-Migs
you have answered a question I couldn't find for an annoying amount of time lol! It's basically the filter then that causes the brew to taste different!
Seems like the finer grind of the V60 batch here would be why it has a bit more bite. Maybe the Chemex should have been a bit finer since it looked a bit underextracted.
So the filters for chemex take away the strong taste of coffee? Or it takes away all the unhealthy stuff? So if I want a strong taste, I should buy the reuseable filter? Or buy the red one? By the way, I like you, Gail. You seem so kind & humble. You're not stuck up like other baristas. ❤
It depends on the coffee itself. That thick paper just basically filters out that micro grounds that usually stayed on the base of the cup. Coffee stays strong if you use "strong" coffee, but cleaner which leads to more aromatic brew.
The chemex removes a lot of particles and oils found in the coffee that make it extremely bitter. You will notice the flavors more fully as opposed to a normal drip pot, and it taste cleaner, especially to something like a french press which is far more "sludgy" coffee compared to chemex. What I notice the most with a chemex is the aftertaste from the coffee, and the notes the coffee has. I can't speak for the v60.
@@MCDreng Cafestol doesn't seem like a health concern from what I looked. Raising serum cholesterol shouldn't be a problem unless it kicks the body out of homeostasis, which I found no indication of. It actually seems to have a few potential health benefits against oxidation damage, inflammation, tumors, etc. Also, cholesterol is essential as well as LDL, so I hope you don't buy into that narrative that cholesterol is bad and lower is better. It's not a scientific story.
The acidity may also be due to the grind size which will also affect the the brew time (the small grind size likely determined the darker color/extraction in the Hario). It would be better with the same grind size for comparisons sake. I learned a lot after watching James Hoffman’s coffee videos☺️
well not true at all, to make it even you NEED to have your coffee in the chemex a little coarser because the filters are different.. Even your James Hoffman's spoke about it ;)
Is it better to have the oil or not? Is it bad for you the oils? Or is it just preference? I like smooth coffee but I also like a strong taste as well, just not too strong.
Been trying to decide between the Chemex and the Hario, as I have been using my gf's Hario, I like that you pointed to the Hario as the option for 50/50. Still might try the Chemex, do you have to use different grinds for each.
Where have you been??? I agree the chemix has a smoother finish but less taste probably because of the oils. I use a vario-w grinder on the coarsest grind (per grinder instructions) but still leaves a very fine dust that slows the drip considerably so switched to the hario 60. I constantly experiment which is fun. We missed you!!
Only difference, Melitta has a flat bottom where the coffee pools and falls out of small holes. V60 is a open bottom, a rather large hole. Controlling the drip-down happens by manipulating the amount of water poured in at one time. Cheers!
My choice would be the Hario V60. I haven't used either, nor have I used a pour-over coffee maker before, but the Chemex seems to be much more of a hassle. Having to take off the wooden collar and leather tie every time you want to wash it just seems like a bit too much work. they could just add a handle. I personally think a lot of people choose Chemex because its the classic one of the two, and it looks more aesthetically pleasing.
Bodum has made their version of it, where you have a metal filter. either in brass or copper(not sure about that, could even ben steel for all i care), with tiny laser cut holes
We've used a Hario for several years. It has more pluses than minuses, and usually makes a great cup of coffee. I can't see why one of these systems would be better than the other, but didn't she say she ground the coffee differently? But I didn't catch why. I don't understand the HUGE filter for the Chemex. The Hario filters are available on Amazon for just a few pennies each. Those Chemex filters look expensive. Weighing the cost of this kind of system against a Keurig, I can't see spending a fortune on a Keurig maker, and then something like 50 cents for each cup - and a Keurig only makes a good 8 oz cup. Any more than that and it's way too watered down. The Hario makes a 16 oz cup if that's what you want, and you can make it as strong as you like. All for pennies on the dollar. A lot of you might be saying that I'm being cheap, but the first year's cost of a Keurig making 8 cups a day for 350 days a year (we're retired), could easily run you about $1,500 (350 x 8 x .50 plus the cost of the Keurig maker). I can make the same amount with my Hario for less than a third of that cost and pocket the difference. With that kind of savings, we can eat out once a month and splurge and drop $100 on the tab each time for a date night, and almost break even!
Probably the main reason for the difference in size of the grinds is that the Chemex filters are significantly thicker than the Hario filters. The infusion time is longer. So larger particles would have less total surface area. Concerning the economy of brewing great coffee, (we are also retired) I buy green beans online and roast them myself. I can buy 20 pounds of extremely high-quality green coffee and end up paying about $0.35 per cup!
we’ve used 5lbs of folgers instant coffee for several years now. it has more pluses than minuses. with the cost of a hario maker, hario filters, coffee beans, + 0.17cents x 350 days (we’re retired) versus folgers instant coffee being 1/100th of a penny x 350 days (we’re retired), our folgers instant coffee ends up being 100 times cheaper than your incredibly more expensive hario coffee maker system!!! with that kind of savings, we can eat out twice a month and splurge and drop $200 on the tab each time for a date night, and not even almost break even!!! (see how stupid that sounds? yeah, that’s exactly how your comment sounds lol) get a bus pass instead, use an iphone 5, eat rice and beans and beans and rice, and follow all the baby steps for your entire working adult life so once you’re an old geezer you can say: “oh boy!!! yippee!!! i saved a few pennies every day by using my hario maker and now at the ripe young age of 70 my wife and i are able to eat not oNcE A mOnTh aNd SpLuRgE AnD dRoP $100 oN tHe tAb eAcH TiMe fOr A dAtE NiGhT!!!”
@@59fiftycap Clever. Or so you thought. Can you spell troll, or were you just out to try to make someone feel bad so you could feel better about yourself? I suspect the former, for you failed on the latter, except to make yourself look like a buffoon.
I have been using the aeropress for almost a year now. I need a step further, which one would you recommend? Easiness of use/ cleaning really matters as I'm usually on the move.
iOmar86 I find that since the V60 is two separate units, it's much easier to clean than the Chemex. Just my experience though! With the Chemex you have to use a long brush to get into the carafe but you can clean the V60 with a standard sponge.
Levi nailed it - The two separate units make it a bit easier to clean with the V60 + Carafe. However, the Chemex is slightly cheaper as a single unit and wouldn't consider it a huge hassle to clean!
I use the Hario method, but usually put the Hario cup + filter above my coffee cup, letting the coffee drip directly into it. Is there any advantage in pouring a larger amount into a container (as seen in the video) and then pouring some of it over to the cup?
Actually, I realized the answer to my question shortly thereafter. The reason behind pouring a large amount is that there exists a specific beans to water ratio. By following that ratio you get a better tasting cup. You don't necessarily need all the coffee that comes out - you can pour one cup if that's all you want - but the coffee tastes better by following the correct ratio.
Me too. Hario on cup which is also sitting on my electric stove with the burner set to 1. Even if I preheat it never comes out as hot as I like it. Can't stand luke warm coffee!
Anime Reviews so why would you make two cups if you only want to drink one? Just use Half of the water and half of the coffie, the ratio doesn‘t change 🤷♂️
Just ordered a V60 from SCG! Couldn't decide between white and red. Kind of wish I went with red now. But maybe that's just because it matches your wall. :)
I use chemex filters and cut the into 4 squares for my Hario v60. 400 filters out of one box! I use a Schott Duran glass kettle because I don’t like the taste of stainless steel in my mouth. Like having a gun barrel.
How funny, I stumbled upon this video with a very good Ethiopian natural process here. So, I figured I'd try and replicate your recipe with my Chemex! My draw down time was a bit quicker, but maybe my water was hotter, or something. Anyway, it makes a pretty nice cup!
Peter Batah I am pretty sure it is a Bonavita Electric Kettle. I wanna say it has an automatic shut off and stays warm for 30 mins. RUclips and amazon it.
Could I use any brand or type of filter? Like the one you get at your local supermarket, or is it "mandatory" to use the ones sell for each brand? (Thanks)
I bought 2 Chemex the year the Mary Tyler Moore Show came out 1970. She used one and so then I had to have one. LOL. Holds 8 cups easily. I use the 4 cup when it's just me.
I don't have experience with any one of them but I was looking for how Chemex is good enough to buy it or not...but I think it's good Idea to get it...thank you for this video and thank you RUclips to suggest it for me 😁
I love my Chemex coffee brewing system. Very smooth and much easier to drink compared to my Mellita "cup of joe" pour over brewer which was starting to get a bit of after taste to it and the Mellita version was much harder on my stomach than the chemex brewing system is. I will not go back to any other form of brewing after using Chemex.
With any paper filter, pour over or drip, I always taste some off flavor. I assume it's the filter or perhaps it's just me. Is there a metal screen you recommend?
I saw a video in which you reviewed the Melitta pour over. Which pour over method would you recommend to use for your everyday coffee, the Hario V60 or the Melitta pour over?
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Waiting for the rinse water to be dumped was the most tense I've felt in years.
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you and I both brother :D
same here
Yes!
count me in, guys! :D
My grandmother was making coffee in a Chemex in the late 1970's and used Melita filters. Hands down, the very best coffee I ever had.
Melita filters are too damn thin. One time I ran out of Chemex filters, so I bought some Melita filters....result was NOT good.
@@mjjm6220 unless you use #6 filters, then you should be good.
@@mjjm6220Agree I find it filters too fast and you get a watery coffee compared to a French Press
can I just say that your approach to making this video with the use of history and practical information gave off both a charismatic and calming feel to my beginners coffee making experience!
As a total pourover newb (4 days into my first V60), and this is the best video I've found so far for information, technique and the differences to expect from the brewed coffee. Nicely done.
Have you watched James Hoffman or Scott Rao’s v60 videos? Pour over newb myself
Signs that you've been watching too many coffee videos on youtube: loudly saying "whoa what are you doing" out loud despite being alone in a room when you see she doesn't empty out the initial hot water.
hahahahahah
I've been taught that with the Chemex you want to give it a swirl to mix the brewed coffee just prior to pouring into the cup. It is supposed to make for a more consistent coffee, especially if you make a bigger quantity.
Chemex will give smooth light taste compared to the V60 but it all depends on the type of coffee you are using some type of coffee will taste good in the Chemex & some will taste good using V60 I like that some cafes suggest you which coffee to use in the Chemex or v60 at the end it all depends on what you like try the same coffee in each tool & see which will give you the best flavor
She seems like such a nice person to be around
I find, when I try a new coffee I'll do both and choose a favourite method for each particular coffee, usually if it's a lighter roast that I find too acidic I'll use the Chemex, and if it's darker and needs the acidity to be more prominent I'll use a Bialetti Moka pot, and the Hario sits somewhere in the middle. I have the gear acquisition disorder, my kitchen is littered with coffee making tools.
I have a Chemex, and I actually use a fine grind and I like it !
It comes out nice and rich like yours in the Hario!
I've had my Chemex for 3 years and there's no comparison I may try the Hario sometime, but i'm loving the coffee coming out of the Chemex !
Thanks for entertaining us coffee nerds!!
I find that the recommended grind level for the Chemex is too coarse. I use the exact same level of grind for both the Chemex and the Hario, just one big click finer than they usually recommend for the Chemex, and the coffee comes out perfect every time. And I don't obsess over time, once I know I have the grind level right, I let it do it's thing and remove the filter when all the water has drained through. Lovely.
"come over to my house I give you coffee" ...Where did that come from? lol
That made the video for me lol
its a song from rosemary clooney.
It was 'Come on a my house, a my a house, I'm a gonna give you a candy!"
Reminds me of people of Rio de Janeiro when they tell you " come over to my house" or "give me a call" but they did not tell you where they live neither did they give you their phone number..ah ah
Some one please make a meme out of it
at the acid part I would have loved to see her test that hypothesis out to see if the filters really did have an effect on the acid. Repeat the hario but with 2 or 3 filters to see if there was a difference.
The biggest difference between the two is the filters and the fact that you can brew for 2-3 people with the chemex. Brew with the same filter and grind setting in both and you will not be able to tell the difference. The chemex filter adds increased resistance which allows you to use a coarser grind without underextracting. Also, as you mentioned, more of the oils are stripped from the end product resulting in a more tea like delicate cup that should be consumed black.
Double up the filter in the Hario if that is an issue for you.
V60 still has the bypass chemex doesn't.
Sander Schneider What bypass are you referring to?
It's not the same. The Chemex has a much tighter grain.@@raymondhill3
I also really enjoy watching your videos, thank you.
I had a tough time deciding between the two of these as well. Ended up buying them both and go back and fourth between the two, can't settle on a favourite.
Not even into coffee that much, but love watching these videos!
It would be interesting and informative if Seattle Coffee Gear would start doing blind tase comparisons.
@Norbert The Nark , it would be quite eye opening.
Nah that exposes too many self proclaimed experts...same applies to wine, tea, wiskey...
this
Please don't tase any blind people or try to tase anybody while blind
@@Markgangzta This comment is highly underrated.
In love with manual brewing....mostly kenyan coffee amazing...but when it comes to grinding...I think coffee is best grinded when ready for use coz if you pre grind it....remember the enemies of coffee....oxygen being the main so it might interfere with the flavours of the coffee in the cup ...this how I find it best....but this was great...am coming to your house and get coffee 😊
Just got my Chemex this week and it's like I've been drinking sludge for years hahahaha, I can actually taste the notes the roasters speak of very clearly, nice clean cuppa
I have the standard coffee maker drip
Is chemix or v60 any better?
@@Vergil1876 -- I think so. It's more work than an auto drip coffee maker but the added control makes for a more flavorful cup. (Unless you mean you have a cheaper pour-over manual coffee maker like a Melitta; I'm not sure an upgrade to a V60 or Chemex would make *that* much of a difference, although they're more beautiful to hold and look at.)
Vergil1876 standard drip coffee is the worse way to make and drink coffee.
@@rudyburgess8106 even prescion brewer breville?
Vergil1876 I have not had coffee from that Braville coffee maker, and it probably makes a good cup of coffee, but the process of poured over is tops.
This woman can be my grandma any day, would love to have a cup with her omg
Again and again great products from Germany vs. Japan ... just came from a chef knive comparison video. Two engineering giants
Would love to see a filter comparison including the hemp washable, paper and metal ones.
Love this video -- I drink black coffee, and I don't like acidity, so I feel like my choice of the Chemex was the right one!
I just bought an OXO glass pour over set, much like these, but with three small holes at the bottom and a basket filter. I did learn how to pour better from you people, lol! And learned to use a gooseneck kettle, so there is cross-over. Btw, I love my coffee this way, it's by far the best coffee I've ever made or had. Thanks for the tips. ;)
yep, love Gail. She really educated me on the road to drinking pourovers and switching to drinking black coffee. Many thx!
Thanks for doing this, Gail. I just started making pour-over coffee last week with my Hario V60 and like the boldness, but would like to try the lighter aspects of coffee through a Chemex filter. I'm going to try the Chemex filter in my Hario V60 to see the difference for myself and will likely end up purchasing a Chemex system. I like experimenting with different coffees and different roasts.
Update?
Annikichan The Chemex just wasn’t for me. It was too tough to make the same cup of coffee twice, let alone every day. Also, the right filters were a bear to locate. Expensive, too! I am much happier with the Hario V 60.
@@kauaijohn Thank you so much for your reply!
This randomly popped into my feed, but this is the video that got me to buy my first chemex and electric kettle 5 years ago. Oh the nostalgia.
Side note, I miss the old Chemex design. Woodless is easier to clean but jeez.
Anyway, thanks for eventually turning me into a espresso nerd for a few years.
Because these are both drip coffee style brewers, to have a fair assessment of the taste they produced was to use the same grind setting.
The more acidic taste from the v60 could be very much due to being used in it a finer grind, not necessarily or entirely due to the different filter mesh.
It isn't reasonable to use an identical grind when one has nearly 3x as much paper mass. The fairest way to compare the two is to brew them both exactly as they both should be brewed. You don't make it a fair test by brewing one of them wrong.
If she was comparing an Americano to a long black filter, do you think the Espresso and the filter should use an identical grind, too?
Thank you so much for using the metric System
I have used the chemex for years now and it’s by far my favorite method. Clean cup, no oils and sludge.
Chemex is suppossed to take longer to brew. About 30-40 sec longer than the Hario.
I brew with 12 oz of water and Hario takes about 2:30min and Chemex takes 3-3:10 min
I wonder how the meassurements of dissolved solids are. I bet it's much higher for the Hario.
When I brew manual pour over I usually go like this from finest to corsest: HarioV60 ,Kalita Wave and Beehouse similar,Chemex,Walküre and then french press is a litle bit coarser than Walküre.
chemex sometimes takes about 5 or 6 min
grind size is important
except ethiophia, yirgacheffe is paper killer
May i know the measurements for the hario and chemex?
Stefan Sigfinnsson Chill Bro'.
It's very relaxing watching your videos. Very ASMR. Your the Bob Ross of the Coffee world!
Happy beans and happy trees!
I was just thinking this! I didn't need to see a video on this, but I could just keep SCG on autoplay and watch Gail talk about different stuff.
No perky music in the background. Thank you.
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Funny. I was just gifted a Bob Ross Chia Pet.
Very informative. Saw the Chemex on an old rerun of the Mary Tyler More show and wanted more information. Great video!
Awesome Video!
Great points made too Xx
Happy int Coffee Day from Melbourne!!!! 😃
I use a ceramic Hario V60, their #2 filters and their 2L thermal carafe. I bloom my coffee, but I don’t rinse my filter. Great cup, and easy clean
Obviously playing with the grind would effect the outcome, I am curious, using the same grind, what's the outcome?
As someone else noted, beside the filter paper used, the other variation is the grind size, and I think the taste variance would also be more distinct had you cleansed your palette in between. Nice little video overall, thanks! :)
You should create a coffee-talk podcast!
The grinds where different - that alone can make the taste differences you noted.
'were different', and yes, that's gonna make the difference. should be the same otherwise since the method is exactly the same.
@@overinvested What? We are comparing two different ways of making coffee - so the two are compared within the constraints of the correct method. Grind coarseness is part of the method. If you made it the same for both, one would have an advantage over the other. If you were testing the towing capacity of a diesel car vs. a petrol car, you'd use the correct fuel, not just the one fuel for both.
Jaidyn Weight Haha. Not even close to a reasonable or plausible explanation.
@@michaelbrathwaite7019 Jaidyn weight is correct. Grind size differs between these two methods. You might prefer one method over the other but the grind size should match the brew method.
@@michaelbrathwaite7019, Chemex papers have a higher resistance than the V60 papers, causing the water to drain slower through them. Slower water flow means there is a longer extraction time. Thus you need a coarser grind with the Chemex in order to not over-extract the coffee.
Thank you for this. I'm new to coffee and doing research on pour overs. This video was clear and enjoyable 🙌
Love both of these coffee makers! The only ones used in my house!
I’m curious about pour overs but love my French press. I can’t imagine a fuller, bolder cup of coffee from a pour over. Guess I’ll have to give one a try. I like the bowl design of the first pour over. I think I’ll try it.
I like them both. If you do a fine grind and a metal mesh filter with the Chemex its pretty close to French press because of the longer extraction time and probably more particulate matter getting through. It makes a pretty rich cup. Right now I think I like the pour over best but it may just be the new toy thing. Get one they are pretty cheap
have you looked at those "clever coffee drippers"? it seems they are a combination of pour over and french press
Use both, like both. Like V60 better.
Watching in 2022, i love Gayle so much... at 4:08 the little acting is so good.
I use both, a Hario V60 at work and a Chemex 6-cup at home and of the two I much favour the Chemex for it's clean and yet full flavour and mouthfeel. The advantage with the thinner paper of the Hario is that you can use the pre-ground goffee that my workplace uses without the brew stalling.
Interesting thoughts! Thanks for sharing!
I sometimes use a paper filter in a standard kitchen funnel...don’t hate, coffee purists!
I used a filter in a funnel over a wine bottle for a long time
Mom used to use toilet paper on filter coffee maker when she run out of coffee filters.
Never thought of that...
I used to use a bit of steel wool in a glass pipette. . .oh wait, that was for something else. . .
George Clinton hahaha im fucking dead laughing so hard im crying 😂
I've never heard that oils make the coffee taste more acidic. Is that true?
I've had both and prefer the Hario, hands down. I found the Chemex filters took out too much of the flavour.
Depends on the roast. Light roasts aren't as great in a Chemex because you need a finer grind with a light roast and finer grinds do not work well with the chemex filter. With medium - dark roasts the chemex produces a notable smoother and cleaner more balanced cup of coffee. I'm guessing you prefer light roasts, in which your comment makes perfect sense.
@@jacobpetersen5662 I like dark roasts but my wife can only drink light roasts, so we brew up both. All round, I just like the Hario better. We had a Chemex for years (until a mug fell out of the cupboard and broke it) and thought it was the best until we replaced it with the Hario. We wouldn't go back, though I love the Chemex design.
I have always been so curious about comparing these two methods!!! Thanks Gail! ☕️💕
Glad you enjoyed it, Jaclyn!
@@SeattleCoffeeGear How many seconds does it to pour the hot water into the coffee and how many seconds do you break before continuing? I also want to know how many minutes should I take in total to brew both v60 and chemix after the time starts ticking?
Best thing about V60 is, I wet and warm the filter paper into the carafe but start making coffee into the mug I decide to have my coffee in. This is soecially beneficial for decaf coffee because it tends to pour through much slower hence resulting in a much less hot cup of coffee. When I brew directly into my mug, it doesnt matter if I warm up the mug with hot rinse it just results in a nice hot cup of coffee. With chemex and Bodum you have to microwave your mug before pouring in your cup, especially in winters.
A teaspoon of activated carbon has the surface area of an American football field. Or so I’m told. A gram has upwards of 3000 meters squared. So grind size difference should account for something I do believe. I’m not aware of surface area studies of difference coffee bean grinds. So I’m obviously crossing over. It’s interesting to contemplate.
Perfect timing! I just got my first chemex yesterday, coming from aero and French Press the last few months
NICE! Enjoy the Chemex!
I would love to see Gail comparing Aeropress with the V60
RUclips knows what you ordered.
Excellent video. Thanks for taking the time to film and edit it and of course for positing it for our benefit. Keep up the good work! I guess they should tell you to buy a scale when you get the systems.-Migs
you have answered a question I couldn't find for an annoying amount of time lol! It's basically the filter then that causes the brew to taste different!
Seems like the finer grind of the V60 batch here would be why it has a bit more bite. Maybe the Chemex should have been a bit finer since it looked a bit underextracted.
So the filters for chemex take away the strong taste of coffee? Or it takes away all the unhealthy stuff? So if I want a strong taste, I should buy the reuseable filter? Or buy the red one? By the way, I like you, Gail. You seem so kind & humble. You're not stuck up like other baristas. ❤
It depends on the coffee itself. That thick paper just basically filters out that micro grounds that usually stayed on the base of the cup. Coffee stays strong if you use "strong" coffee, but cleaner which leads to more aromatic brew.
The chemex removes a lot of particles and oils found in the coffee that make it extremely bitter. You will notice the flavors more fully as opposed to a normal drip pot, and it taste cleaner, especially to something like a french press which is far more "sludgy" coffee compared to chemex. What I notice the most with a chemex is the aftertaste from the coffee, and the notes the coffee has. I can't speak for the v60.
the only health-concern in coffee is cafestol which any paper filter will filter out. Let alone the Chemex.
@@MCDreng Cafestol doesn't seem like a health concern from what I looked. Raising serum cholesterol shouldn't be a problem unless it kicks the body out of homeostasis, which I found no indication of. It actually seems to have a few potential health benefits against oxidation damage, inflammation, tumors, etc. Also, cholesterol is essential as well as LDL, so I hope you don't buy into that narrative that cholesterol is bad and lower is better. It's not a scientific story.
Really cool idea to compare/contrast these two! Thanks!
The Real OG of Coffee dropping some knowledge for the young cats!
You maintained the symmetry for everything but the actual filter
The acidity may also be due to the grind size which will also affect the the brew time (the small grind size likely determined the darker color/extraction in the Hario). It would be better with the same grind size for comparisons sake. I learned a lot after watching James Hoffman’s coffee videos☺️
well not true at all, to make it even you NEED to have your coffee in the chemex a little coarser because the filters are different.. Even your James Hoffman's spoke about it ;)
Is it better to have the oil or not? Is it bad for you the oils? Or is it just preference? I like smooth coffee but I also like a strong taste as well, just not too strong.
No final stir or swirl? No well in the grounds before bloom phase?
Been trying to decide between the Chemex and the Hario, as I have been using my gf's Hario, I like that you pointed to the Hario as the option for 50/50. Still might try the Chemex, do you have to use different grinds for each.
Tablespoons of coffee per cups of hot water. That's all you need.
☕️👍 Simple is better
Can one use Chemex filter on Hario?
I brew coffee at home with both makers, but my favourite still is the V60.
Where have you been??? I agree the chemix has a smoother finish but less taste probably because of the oils. I use a vario-w grinder on the coarsest grind (per grinder instructions) but still leaves a very fine dust that slows the drip considerably so switched to the hario 60. I constantly experiment which is fun. We missed you!!
Keep on experimenting and happy brewing!
I've been using a fine mesh sieve to remove the fine coffee particles from my grinds. Makes it much more uniform
The Hario looks like a Melitta filter funnel which I have used for years and love it.
Only difference, Melitta has a flat bottom where the coffee pools and falls out of small holes. V60 is a open bottom, a rather large hole. Controlling the drip-down happens by manipulating the amount of water poured in at one time.
Cheers!
My choice would be the Hario V60. I haven't used either, nor have I used a pour-over coffee maker before, but the Chemex seems to be much more of a hassle. Having to take off the wooden collar and leather tie every time you want to wash it just seems like a bit too much work. they could just add a handle. I personally think a lot of people choose Chemex because its the classic one of the two, and it looks more aesthetically pleasing.
Chemex does make a version with a handle and without the wooden collar.
great, clean video thanks.
Bodum has made their version of it, where you have a metal filter. either in brass or copper(not sure about that, could even ben steel for all i care), with tiny laser cut holes
We've used a Hario for several years. It has more pluses than minuses, and usually makes a great cup of coffee.
I can't see why one of these systems would be better than the other, but didn't she say she ground the coffee differently? But I didn't catch why.
I don't understand the HUGE filter for the Chemex. The Hario filters are available on Amazon for just a few pennies each. Those Chemex filters look expensive.
Weighing the cost of this kind of system against a Keurig, I can't see spending a fortune on a Keurig maker, and then something like 50 cents for each cup - and a Keurig only makes a good 8 oz cup. Any more than that and it's way too watered down.
The Hario makes a 16 oz cup if that's what you want, and you can make it as strong as you like. All for pennies on the dollar.
A lot of you might be saying that I'm being cheap, but the first year's cost of a Keurig making 8 cups a day for 350 days a year (we're retired), could easily run you about $1,500 (350 x 8 x .50 plus the cost of the Keurig maker).
I can make the same amount with my Hario for less than a third of that cost and pocket the difference. With that kind of savings, we can eat out once a month and splurge and drop $100 on the tab each time for a date night, and almost break even!
Probably the main reason for the difference in size of the grinds is that the Chemex filters are significantly thicker than the Hario filters. The infusion time is longer. So larger particles would have less total surface area. Concerning the economy of brewing great coffee, (we are also retired) I buy green beans online and roast them myself. I can buy 20 pounds of extremely high-quality green coffee and end up paying about $0.35 per cup!
we’ve used 5lbs of folgers instant coffee for several years now. it has more pluses than minuses. with the cost of a hario maker, hario filters, coffee beans, + 0.17cents x 350 days (we’re retired) versus folgers instant coffee being 1/100th of a penny x 350 days (we’re retired), our folgers instant coffee ends up being 100 times cheaper than your incredibly more expensive hario coffee maker system!!! with that kind of savings, we can eat out twice a month and splurge and drop $200 on the tab each time for a date night, and not even almost break even!!!
(see how stupid that sounds? yeah, that’s exactly how your comment sounds lol)
get a bus pass instead, use an iphone 5, eat rice and beans and beans and rice, and follow all the baby steps for your entire working adult life so once you’re an old geezer you can say:
“oh boy!!! yippee!!! i saved a few pennies every day by using my hario maker and now at the ripe young age of 70 my wife and i are able to eat not oNcE A mOnTh aNd SpLuRgE AnD dRoP $100 oN tHe tAb eAcH TiMe fOr A dAtE NiGhT!!!”
@@59fiftycap Clever. Or so you thought. Can you spell troll, or were you just out to try to make someone feel bad so you could feel better about yourself? I suspect the former, for you failed on the latter, except to make yourself look like a buffoon.
Ummm, do you happen to know the paint color on the wall behind you? Please!
i thing it will be more comparable if use same size grind cafe (intermediate size of both)
I have been using the aeropress for almost a year now. I need a step further, which one would you recommend? Easiness of use/ cleaning really matters as I'm usually on the move.
iOmar86 I find that since the V60 is two separate units, it's much easier to clean than the Chemex. Just my experience though! With the Chemex you have to use a long brush to get into the carafe but you can clean the V60 with a standard sponge.
Levi nailed it - The two separate units make it a bit easier to clean with the V60 + Carafe. However, the Chemex is slightly cheaper as a single unit and wouldn't consider it a huge hassle to clean!
SCG says I nailed it, day = made!
I’m user of V60 and I think it suit my needs because I make only one cup each time and I put the V60 just on top of my cup
🤔 for truer comparison might it have been better to use bleached paper for each brew?
Thank you so much Gail!!!
I use the Hario method, but usually put the Hario cup + filter above my coffee cup, letting the coffee drip directly into it. Is there any advantage in pouring a larger amount into a container (as seen in the video) and then pouring some of it over to the cup?
Yes. You will then have more to drink.
Actually, I realized the answer to my question shortly thereafter. The reason behind pouring a large amount is that there exists a specific beans to water ratio. By following that ratio you get a better tasting cup. You don't necessarily need all the coffee that comes out - you can pour one cup if that's all you want - but the coffee tastes better by following the correct ratio.
Me too. Hario on cup which is also sitting on my electric stove with the burner set to 1. Even if I preheat it never comes out as hot as I like it. Can't stand luke warm coffee!
Anime Reviews so why would you make two cups if you only want to drink one? Just use Half of the water and half of the coffie, the ratio doesn‘t change 🤷♂️
what is the result?
Just ordered a V60 from SCG! Couldn't decide between white and red. Kind of wish I went with red now. But maybe that's just because it matches your wall. :)
I used to use a Malita coffee craff w/ filter like those. We were able to put it on the stove to keep it warm. Used drip coffee.
... carafe.
I use chemex filters and cut the into 4 squares for my Hario v60. 400 filters out of one box! I use a Schott Duran glass kettle because I don’t like the taste of stainless steel in my mouth. Like having a gun barrel.
How funny, I stumbled upon this video with a very good Ethiopian natural process here. So, I figured I'd try and replicate your recipe with my Chemex! My draw down time was a bit quicker, but maybe my water was hotter, or something. Anyway, it makes a pretty nice cup!
Forgive me if this question has already been asked: What is the make and model of that electric kettle. Thank you.
Peter Batah I am pretty sure it is a Bonavita Electric Kettle. I wanna say it has an automatic shut off and stays warm for 30 mins. RUclips and amazon it.
Do you think the grind size mattered in the taste difference?
I am old school... still have my melitta pour over from 40 years ago.
Are there any cloth filters that can be washed and reused?
Very pleasant to watch. Thanks for your efforts!
Could I use any brand or type of filter? Like the one you get at your local supermarket, or is it "mandatory" to use the ones sell for each brand? (Thanks)
You can use any filter. The chemex filter is the thickest and the coffee is cleaner (less oils and sediments). But it fits in a V60 as well.
I bought 2 Chemex the year the Mary Tyler Moore Show came out 1970. She used one and so then I had to have one. LOL. Holds 8 cups easily. I use the 4 cup when it's just me.
I don't have experience with any one of them but I was looking for how Chemex is good enough to buy it or not...but I think it's good Idea to get it...thank you for this video and thank you RUclips to suggest it for me 😁
I love my Chemex coffee brewing system. Very smooth and much easier to drink compared to my Mellita "cup of joe" pour over brewer which was starting to get a bit of after taste to it and the Mellita version was much harder on my stomach than the chemex brewing system is. I will not go back to any other form of brewing after using Chemex.
With any paper filter, pour over or drip, I always taste some off flavor. I assume it's the filter or perhaps it's just me. Is there a metal screen you recommend?
This video is perfect, both on substantive and technical level. Thanks!
Arnt the oils the good part??
i believe the prettiest part of pourovers is the bloom
How manny degree of water?
what type of paper used in the Chemex ?
Lo que cambia la acides del café es que el filtro del Chemex sella el paso del aire y hace que el café se oxide menos.
I saw a video in which you reviewed the Melitta pour over. Which pour over method would you recommend to use for your everyday coffee, the Hario V60 or the Melitta pour over?