I've found it very freeing. With the right partner, of course. But the overall point remains about it being a poor INITIAL reason - it's not the pact to enter into when one is RUNNING FROM something or someone, as is happening to this character.
Oscar is in love with his own self, loves men over women, and only wanted a marriage of convenience, thereby using Gladys to be able to have the cake all for himself, not realizing she may truly fall in love with him. She would be heartbroken if she found out his true intentions. She also needs to realize that she is only 😊using him/marrying, as a doormat to run away from her mother only .
I like Gladys' dress and George is spitting straight facts. I wish I had a father like him, my dad just yelled he never listened to me. And he made fun of me for being single.
He isn't creepy (weird may be? bad thing? not really.) but he is opportunistic and should follow the footsteps of his gay ex(?) lover of nothing giving a shit about continuing the family line instead of breaking women's hearts. Though of they bring in the concept of lavender marriage then may be he can give his mother an heir without needing to be cruel to his future wife.
Oscar's not a good match for any girl. He is a gay gold digger looking for a rich woman for a sham marriage while he carries on living On the Down Low.
Real life spoiler alert!!!! Bertha and Gladys are loosely based on Alva and Consuelo Vanderbilt, so...... Gladys is very likely to be an unhappy dollar princess..... (compared with relatively happy dollar princess Cora from Downton Abbey).
Not accurate. The Russells have plenty of money. I believe even more than some of the old money families, but it’s the fact that they’re new money, that has the latter looking down on them.
@@amatulfulani6390They look down on them because they flaunt their wealth/power. The old money learned not do this early on, as not only is gaudy, but it attracts the wrong sorts of people. Now you could say they don't do because they don't need to do it. People already know who they are and their reputation speaks for itself. Like landed nobility back in Europe. That's not the only reason though. Many old European nobility lived high on the hog publucally for all to see. All that it brought was bloody revolutions and death of their dynasties.
@@Not-Ap Even though that behavior is associated with the noveau rich, they are also looked down upon bc of the simple fact that they originally came from nothing. They don’t have the lineage aspect that the old money people have. And for the old money people, that’s enough for them to outcast you from their circle. Even in season 1, when Ms. Astor threw Bertha’s invitation into the fire, she mentioned that Bertha came from nothing, which was enough to make her disliked/an outcast. Whether she chose to flaunt her wealth or not, wouldn’t change the fact that she was seen as less than bc of her lack of noble lineage.
@@CarolynForney They are old money, so their status is still higher than the Russells, even if the net worth differs. Bertha is trying to be accepted by people like Oscar’s family bc they are associated with the Astors. So, I don’t think that’s very accurate. They simply don’t see him as a good match for Gladys bc they know she can do better, and that’s overall, not just financial standing.
Well at the time if a woman found the right partner it could be because it gave her more freedom but that depended on if her husband let her have it. Choice of husband was vital.
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 the Duke of Buckingham is exactly the type of guy you describe! He's no better than Oscar. He uses his British titles to chase and marry rich heiresses!
That's a little harsh - 8 billion people in the world are not Megan Fox, and they all deserve someone who loves them. Also, even if Gladys was ugly as sin (which she isn't, she's very cute), this is her father - no good dad ever thinks anyone is good enough for his daughter. Or, at least, no good dad thinks his daughter deserves a gold-digger who doesn't love her.
No matter how ruthless and ambitious he is at the office, his caring family values are so heartwarming.
“Marriage is not the place to look for freedom.” The very words that keep me single.
I've found it very freeing. With the right partner, of course. But the overall point remains about it being a poor INITIAL reason - it's not the pact to enter into when one is RUNNING FROM something or someone, as is happening to this character.
Marriage has way more advantage than inconvenient with the right partner.
me too
George was speaking nothing but facts in this scene. No wonder his marriage is so strong.
He is a very loyal dad and husband!!
Oscar is in love with his own self, loves men over women, and only wanted a marriage of convenience, thereby using Gladys to be able to have the cake all for himself, not realizing she may truly fall in love with him. She would be heartbroken if she found out his true intentions. She also needs to realize that she is only 😊using him/marrying, as a doormat to run away from her mother only .
She sure could do better....so glad that her father plays the cool calm and collected.
"Let him down gently" lol
I like Gladys' dress and George is spitting straight facts. I wish I had a father like him, my dad just yelled he never listened to me. And he made fun of me for being single.
That's how a dad should protect his daughter
THANK GOD! I was afraid she would marry him.
Oscar is creepy, weird and opportunistic. Not a good match for this girl.
He isn't creepy (weird may be? bad thing? not really.) but he is opportunistic and should follow the footsteps of his gay ex(?) lover of nothing giving a shit about continuing the family line instead of breaking women's hearts.
Though of they bring in the concept of lavender marriage then may be he can give his mother an heir without needing to be cruel to his future wife.
Oscar's not a good match for any girl. He is a gay gold digger looking for a rich woman for a sham marriage while he carries on living On the Down Low.
I hope he keeps that same energy when it comes to the Duke
Real life spoiler alert!!!!
Bertha and Gladys are loosely based on Alva and Consuelo Vanderbilt, so...... Gladys is very likely to be an unhappy dollar princess..... (compared with relatively happy dollar princess Cora from Downton Abbey).
I am sure he will.
Oscar’s family has no royal title and his money is not big enough.
Not accurate. The Russells have plenty of money. I believe even more than some of the old money families, but it’s the fact that they’re new money, that has the latter looking down on them.
@@amatulfulani6390They look down on them because they flaunt their wealth/power. The old money learned not do this early on, as not only is gaudy, but it attracts the wrong sorts of people. Now you could say they don't do because they don't need to do it. People already know who they are and their reputation speaks for itself. Like landed nobility back in Europe. That's not the only reason though. Many old European nobility lived high on the hog publucally for all to see. All that it brought was bloody revolutions and death of their dynasties.
@@Not-Ap
Even though that behavior is associated with the noveau rich, they are also looked down upon bc of the simple fact that they originally came from nothing. They don’t have the lineage aspect that the old money people have. And for the old money people, that’s enough for them to outcast you from their circle. Even in season 1, when Ms. Astor threw Bertha’s invitation into the fire, she mentioned that Bertha came from nothing, which was enough to make her disliked/an outcast. Whether she chose to flaunt her wealth or not, wouldn’t change the fact that she was seen as less than bc of her lack of noble lineage.
@@amatulfulani6390 That is why Oscar is not a contender. His family doesn’t have big money like the Russels.
@@CarolynForney
They are old money, so their status is still higher than the Russells, even if the net worth differs. Bertha is trying to be accepted by people like Oscar’s family bc they are associated with the Astors. So, I don’t think that’s very accurate. They simply don’t see him as a good match for Gladys bc they know she can do better, and that’s overall, not just financial standing.
Well at the time if a woman found the right partner it could be because it gave her more freedom but that depended on if her husband let her have it. Choice of husband was vital.
I always say if you find yourself in a position were you where someone is in control of your life… at least find a kind one.
Brilliant advice!
I got her confused with that other woman. They look like twins!
Oscar dodged a bullet!
No, Gladys dodged a bullet. Oscar's a gay gold digger.
More like Gladys dodged one.
Can she really do better than Oscar Van Rhijn? I mean, she's no Megan Fox!
At the very least she can find a guy who wants her and isn’t using her as a cover for his nighttime activities or her money.
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 the Duke of Buckingham is exactly the type of guy you describe! He's no better than Oscar. He uses his British titles to chase and marry rich heiresses!
Anyone is better than Oscar who is not even into women
That's a little harsh - 8 billion people in the world are not Megan Fox, and they all deserve someone who loves them.
Also, even if Gladys was ugly as sin (which she isn't, she's very cute), this is her father - no good dad ever thinks anyone is good enough for his daughter. Or, at least, no good dad thinks his daughter deserves a gold-digger who doesn't love her.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe one day you'll understand.