Trent Horn Said What on How to Be Saved & Marian Dogmas are Essential?
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
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Trent Horn is a Roman Catholic apologist who has a RUclips channel called The Counsel of Trent with various videos on Catholicism beliefs, whom he has debated and has had various discussions with Protestants like Dr. James White, Allie Beth Stuckey, Dr. Gavin Ortlund, Steve Christie, and with various atheists like Matt Dillahunty, Alex O' Conner (Cosmic Skeptic), Daniel Edwin Barker (Dan Barker), etc.
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For us Christians, it is painful to see what Trents response is when Kelly asks him about what the gospel is…. I hope Trent will believe the Bible someday and returns to Christ.
Holy Scripture teaches we must cooperate with God's saving grace and repent and bear fruit and forgive others and love one another and keep the commandments and persevere to the end to be saved! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
Happy birthday buddy. I learn a lot when I tune in to your channel. God is using you to equip us with the true Gospel.
Trent actually did answer the question on why the Marian dogmas must be believed for salvation. When you boil it down, essentially he was saying: because the Catholic Church says so, and because they have the authority to say so. 🤪 Well then, if the Marian dogmas must be believed for salvation, and since most Catholics didn't know to believe these things before they were dogmatized in the modern era, I guess a whole lot of Catholics who lived before then are in hell today for not believing those dogmas! Gee, too bad the entire Roman Catholic gospel was not known for 1900 years! Which just goes to show that the RC gospel is a different, false gospel, and per Galatians 1 the RCC is accursed for teaching a different gospel.
I like some of what trent says, but this undying loyalty to anything always is checking your critical thinking skills at the door for the sake of tradition. I am theologically and politically conservative, however I judge my political side much more harsh than the other side as it's easier for my own side to deceive me much easier because of my naivety and blind loyalty, this counts in any subject and is the main tactic of all cults, beleive my words as i speak on behalf of the almighty, I do counter cult polemics and don't consider catholicism as being a cult, but at many points does looks very cultish, like in elementary school a kid says, why do you believe that ? Well my dad said so and he is never wrong, this way of living not being a child is a willingness as a kind of gullibility. Now trent is very smart and does much great stuff, especially for the unborn however personally as a non catholic just a Christian, personally my favorite catholic is Michael knowles, and the verse that Peter is the first pope is a blind loyalty to tradition as the exegesis of mathew 16:18 is jesus being the rock of his church and the kind of faith peter shows, is the faith all christ followers must have. There is alot of word gymnastics being done by everyone, i am not picking on catholics, but there is no group who is not like this and the severity is different given each group on a case by case basis.
Most Protestants view Romans 6 as Spiritual Baptism into Christ not Water.
Not all protestants are the same. I'm a Bible believing protestant and I believe believers should be baptized in the Holy Spirit and in water
and ladies and gentlemen, thats the leading apologist for our catholic church. Trent never gave a clear pure answer for how to be saved. 😢😢
It saddens me sam shamoun is on the same train
*TRENT HORN MAKES BIG MISTAKE!*
_He doesn't answer Kelly the way Kelly wanted him to answer. _
When speaking with Protestants, it quickly becomes apparent that many of them are VERY concerned - even overly so - with precise articulations of justification and salvation. Calvinism v. Arminianism. Grace alone. Faith alone v. Faith working through love. This verse. That verse. This verse _versus_ that verse. The argumentation over these definitions is endless in evangelical circles.
I believe the reason for this is that the vast number of Protestant denominations has forced Protestants to use “Statements of Faith” (which are themselves extra-biblical, btw) to identify what an individual or “tribe” believes. These quick litmus tests determine friend or foe and who can or cannot be a member of a particular congregation or attend a private school (with parents even being asked to sign the statement at the time a child is enrolled).
Trent Horn is not a member of Kelly's tribe, and when Kelly pounced with his "gotcha" question about the gospel, Trent did not give the answer Kelly wanted to hear. Perfect. More RUclips content for Kelly's channel. Let's see if Trent responds with a rebuttal video. It should be VERY instructive.
Kelly is a Sola Scriptura ,Protestant , Christian. Kelly’s “gotcha moment” is Kelly pointing out that Trent and Trent’s Catholic beliefs do not line up with God’s Word and not Kelly’s own personal beliefs. Big difference. (Yawn)… but this is the typical type of Catholic rebuttal when being called out for deviating from the correct Gospel as stated in the Word of God.
@@3luckydog What do Catholics believe about the gospel message? Can you quote a paragraph or two from the Catechism which "deviate from the correct Gospel as stated in the Word of God" relating to salvation? Thanks.
@@randycarson9812 2. Protestants endorse justification by faith alone (sola fide) apart from anything (including good works), a position the Catholic Church condemned as heresy. During the the sixth session, the Council issued a decree saying that, “If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.”
@@randycarson9812 I thought Jesus paid for our sins on the cross…7. In Catholic theology, purgatory is a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who denied yet were not free from “venial” sins (a lesser sin that does not result in a complete separation from God and eternal damnation in hell). The council affirmed the doctrine of purgatory and damned anyone who claimed “that after the grace of justification has been received the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out for any repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be paid.”
@@3luckydog I want to make sure we are on the same page here.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, “Our salvation comes from the grace of God” and “the merits of our good works are gifts of the divine goodness.”(CCC, 2009)
Trent affirmed that “if anyone shall say that man can be justified before God by his own works which are done…without divine grace through Christ Jesus: let him be anathema.”
Further, “nothing that precedes justification, whether faith or works, merits the grace of justification. For if it is by grace, it is no more of works.” (CCC, 801)
Is this what you had in mind? If so, what is your disagreement with these statements?
this is not me trying to make fun of Trent Horn but rather drawing attention to a sobering reality. He looks a LOT older than he did a year ago. What's going on? It's like he hit some sort of aging bump and then his aging just shot right up in the air. I feel concerned for the guy.
if it's foul play...this is why I despise the overlords. All the nonsense they pump into our food and medication. They don't care about us. They could care less if he lives or dies.
I’m surprised thought there would be tons of comments hmmmm
Comments was turned off during the livestream. Check the activity in the comments section instead. I expect things will heat up today! 🤔
@randycarson9812 live chat was on and the comments was always on…
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics Weird. I looked and didn't see the comments available, and I was in the Chat section for more than an hour as you can see. Dunno what happened during the livestream, but I'm happy to engage in discussion now that the comments are available. Thanks.
Interesting part starts at 20:00
Wait, 13 writings by Paul + hebrews making 14 ? Or is pauls total writings 13 already with counting hebrews ? The total number of letters is not important, but if paul is the 13th apostate or maybe he is the one who replaced judas as Mathias may not have been God's choice, either way paul is God's pick being paul the 12 or 13th and final apostle, interesting he has 13 letters and he could be the 13th apostle, which the bible has many designed coincidences, paul being the 13th apostate and having 13 letters is a nice coincidence and hebrews is anonymous and my be paul writing to his people (the hebrews of his day) but if hebrews was not by an anonymous author, the hebrews would say oh this is from Saul that heretic, let's ignore this, like how today many look at what you already believe and judge if your worth listening too ?
The Gospel is not, "obey your clergy." The Gospel is not, "Be Catholic, believe the dogmas, receive the Sacraments."
The Father and the Son sent the Holy Spirit to indwell each believer for guidance and enablement (among other things). CCC 100 teaches the Catholic to not listen for or depend upon the Spirit's guidance, but to instead depend upon whatever their clergy spoon-feeds them. Very cult-like.
Sola Ecclesia. That's Trent's gospel. That's Rome's gospel.
Lkae4,, most inaccurate, as the Catholic Church that Jesus Christ established on Peter the rock, way before the new testament was ever written, affirms the Holy Scriptures are an infallible authority, as too the Church that existed way before the new testament was ever written, as the manifold wisdom of God is revealed through the CHURCH! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
@@matthewbroderick6287 Your church is very far from infallible. We all have the internet. We all can look up Roman Catholic church history. We all can look up the teachings of your liberation theology, universalist Pope. Stop the propaganda, man.
@@lkae4 most inaccurate, as Jesus Christ built His Church on Peter the rock, way before the new testament was ever written and that later determined the Canon! The same Church authority in Peter the rock and sole key holder, who stood up and put an end to all the debating at the council of Jerusalem Regarding circumcision, since SCRIPTURE ALONE COULD NOT, as Peter authoritatively ruled that circumcision of the Flesh was no longer necessary, even though Holy Scripture said that it was, as the manifold wisdom of God is revealed through the CHURCH! Provide evidence where the Catholic Church teaches anything contrary to Holy Scripture as you bear false witness! You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
@@lkae4 you bear false witness! Provide evidence where the Catholic Church teaches anything contrary to Holy Scripture! Best of luck to you! Indeed, Jesus Christ built His Church on Peter the rock, way before the new testament was ever written and that later determined the Canon! The same Church authority in Peter the rock and sole key holder, who stood up and put an end to all the debating at the council of Jerusalem Regarding circumcision, since SCRIPTURE ALONE COULD NOT, as Peter authoritatively ruled that circumcision of the Flesh was no longer necessary, even though Holy Scripture said that it was, as the manifold wisdom of God is revealed through the CHURCH! Even though you preach a false Gospel and follow the unbiblical teachings of men and white out the Holy Scripture verses you Don't like, I still pray for you as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
@@matthewbroderick6287 Your church has been a hot mess for centuries, man. Look it up. Or ask your Pope. SMH.