It's a bit of both, I agree that it is situational though and can be used positively for sure! It can absolutely be nice for pushing and denying visibility until you are close. The nerf aspect is more on the defensive end. If you were using it to say prevent a push, then that aspect has lost some power as people can just simply see you if you are healing in a corner or trying to slip by undetected to make a play.
@@marianas7749 Offensively, I think its a bigf buff, you can just 1v1 people in the smoke without having to worry about people shooting you from outside the smoke. You can also use it to force 2v1s. It's hard to explain, but its sort of like a big gibby bubble
strangely, i was playing crypto in quad with only a lifeline, and got inside a third party smoke and I was seeing the other team outlined in white ... so this is weird
As a day 1 solo Bang main who never exploited Bloodhound or digi threat, and never played in smoke, this feels like when the teacher punishes the whole class for something only 1 guy did 💀
I feel the same dude fuck these “pros” who ruin everything for everyone the community is full of casual players but they care about the 1% of the community that’s the “pros”
I feel this will drop Bang's pick rate, but I don't think this ruins her. Skilled players will still get use, and average level players will stop blinding their teammates. Houndy will still be useful because their ability is strong. But now Bang is the counter sorta. Less Bang means less need to counter. But less need to counter/combo means less Hound. Opening up the meta. Low level players will hardly notice. I'm optimistic.
we need to know if AA works now with the outline! and can you see with sniper digi or blood's ult if say, you're out of smoke range and other team is also out of smoke range but smoke's in between both parties?
The real question is if AA still doesnt work in smokes, which would make it a buff for bangalore as u can fight rollers in the smoke, see them as they see u, but they have no AA.
@@Not____Applicable I’m talking in general. Less than a handful of legends are good in smoke. She scans survey beacons, ring consoles, she spots nearby teams while letting teammates know how many are in that team and their shield level. Plus when she tags someone with her ultimate, her teammates get damage boost for shooting that player. Vantage receives a lot of hate for no reason. That will soon change. Pair her with Lifeline and you’d be surprised how fast you can get red shield.
I feel bad for bang mains. She’s gonna be so much easier to fight against now. Once you play the game for a while, it becomes easier to see through smoke already so now it’s even easier to just rush a bang trying to hide in her smoke. Especially with a close range weapon.
Exactly this isn't even should be called smoke 😂 And I know in the past she was seen as a perfectly balanced legend. Only for this new batch of devs to nerf her. Idk anymore
"What's the point of Bangalore smokes now?" Umm blocking sight lines and isolating you and the enemies inside from 3rd parties/enemies outside the smoke, both of which are its original purpose in the first place.
I don't play Apex anymore, I just watch algs so I'm kinda happy to see this. Bang will always be good, same as bloodhound, but this will surely shake the meta a little bit ay least. Seer and crypto now are more viable and this will maybe bring some different pick for the sake of viewers. We're all sick and tired of blood/bang 100%pickrate
Couldn't they just give that "Gold" optic a buff, like a 3rd level of zoom, 6X maybe?, it's not Gold if it can't see through smoke, send it to the pawn shop, they don't want it.
I agree with the point made at 2:28. The cross smokes are better imo because you can’t be scanned. And you both have to be in the smoke for the outline to appear pretty sure. I feel like you have to be more cognizant of how you work around the smoke. I’ve played bang since release I’m honestly more intrigued than anything else
Roller player here. I very rarely play inside bangs smoke anyway. Smoking yourself just to pop a quick bat usually results in the enemy spamming arc stars into the smoke anyways so usually I just smoke between me and the other team forcing them to relocate in order to gain line of sight by that time I’m behind a head glitch hitting a bat
I had only one reason to play, a had only one weapon against aimassist. I had only one chance to fool an enemy, when he doesn't see me. It was a perfect trap for aimassist controller puppy, that wanted to tear me apart. But now he would and he will do it. Smokes before was an emergency chance to reset, or move on the battlefield. Before this changes fighting in the smokes was a bad idea, but now... "Fighting inside Bangalore's smoke has never been a pleasant experience for players or viewers (aside from you Bloodhounds) as it makes fights messy and hard to read." Bullshit. I liked that team that was pushing me was searching me in the smoke, and even if they kill me, they will spent more time on management and other team will kill them. And that was it, to make them afraid to make stupid decisions.
Roller teams will need Wattson to prevent themselves from being fucked over by 1 Bangalore smoke. The smoke is completely useless other than negating aim assist now. MnK win, potentially?
They just had to make bangalore have 1 smoke and increase its cooldown... Its idiotic that blood hounds ult and Sniper Digi dont work trough smoke, that was the whole point of them. Now the Sniper scope is just an useless clutter item in the loot pool.
idk if its gonna be good or not for the game but the changes are dumb as fk. A heat vision that cant see through smoke or gas and a smoke that outlines you, yeah right and then you have and emp affecting someone in faze as if it some sort of electrical machine.
I don't think this nerf will remove her from meta. It does balance a few things but I think their main target as someone else already pointed out in the comments above was to break up the forced hound/bang synergy. 100% pick rate in competitive is never a good sign for health regarding balance.
I think overall the change is good but I just feel bad for blood.. Also AA working in smoke is bs that's the worst thing about it 😩 they want us to use roller soo bad
I must say I'm extremely happy with this nerf. I absolutely can not stand Bangalore as a character. Bangalore players always tend to block my line of sight with her smoke. Say for example we have a mid range going Bangalore players will shoot their smoke at the enemies and completely block my visual range. Her tactical is supposed to be used defensively so our team can escape or reposition but every time without fail every SINGLE random Bangalore player that has picks her does the same shit. It's to the point where if I see someone pick Bangalore I leave the lobby and join a new game. Nothing irritates me more about this game.
I hate what Respawn is doing with all the nerfs. Im sick of companies forcing players to play a certain legend or style. WE ARE THE ONES PLAYING THE GAME. WE WANT TO PLAY WHAT WE ENJOY. I have literally quit and deleted other games because of these sorts of decisions. Combine this the constant audio bugs, ranked nonsense, never ending money grab skins, blatant hackers in every mode, I think Apex is on the way out for me.
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Meh. As long as it makes the meta more interesting I’ll take it. I swear to god if comp goes back to seer im gonna scream
Better warm up those vocal chords then
It is. Lmfao
bang seer wattson 😁
Guess what
@@fosterheuer4666😂😂😂 funniest comment
This is actually a bangalore buff individually for her, the nerf is for the synergy between blood and bang.
It's a bit of both, I agree that it is situational though and can be used positively for sure! It can absolutely be nice for pushing and denying visibility until you are close. The nerf aspect is more on the defensive end. If you were using it to say prevent a push, then that aspect has lost some power as people can just simply see you if you are healing in a corner or trying to slip by undetected to make a play.
@@marianas7749 Offensively, I think its a bigf buff, you can just 1v1 people in the smoke without having to worry about people shooting you from outside the smoke. You can also use it to force 2v1s. It's hard to explain, but its sort of like a big gibby bubble
strangely, i was playing crypto in quad with only a lifeline, and got inside a third party smoke and I was seeing the other team outlined in white ... so this is weird
As a day 1 solo Bang main who never exploited Bloodhound or digi threat, and never played in smoke, this feels like when the teacher punishes the whole class for something only 1 guy did 💀
Pretty much everyone abused this hence why her pick rate was like 95 percent same with blood.
@@ridiak3637 Yep. I get why they did this but it always sucks seeing your main nerfed 😭
This is exactly what happened. Spot on
I feel the same dude fuck these “pros” who ruin everything for everyone the community is full of casual players but they care about the 1% of the community that’s the “pros”
I feel this will drop Bang's pick rate, but I don't think this ruins her. Skilled players will still get use, and average level players will stop blinding their teammates.
Houndy will still be useful because their ability is strong. But now Bang is the counter sorta. Less Bang means less need to counter. But less need to counter/combo means less Hound. Opening up the meta.
Low level players will hardly notice.
I'm optimistic.
we need to know if AA works now with the outline! and can you see with sniper digi or blood's ult if say, you're out of smoke range and other team is also out of smoke range but smoke's in between both parties?
Can you check if Aim assist now works in smokes.
It’s been tested it does not!!!!
You can’t see anything with the scans in her smokes lol
Yeah right, he kinda flew over that, thats actually a buff
The real question is if AA still doesnt work in smokes, which would make it a buff for bangalore as u can fight rollers in the smoke, see them as they see u, but they have no AA.
Guys at Respawn were like ''how to cancel a legend without removing them guys''?
With all these nerfs vantage gonna be meta
Deserving 💯 She brings a lot to the team
Nah, seer or crypto more so. She’s so unviable in close range and especially in the middle of smoke.
@@Not____Applicable I’m talking in general. Less than a handful of legends are good in smoke.
She scans survey beacons, ring consoles, she spots nearby teams while letting teammates know how many are in that team and their shield level. Plus when she tags someone with her ultimate, her teammates get damage boost for shooting that player.
Vantage receives a lot of hate for no reason. That will soon change.
Pair her with Lifeline and you’d be surprised how fast you can get red shield.
Never. Make her fortified and bring back vantage skating then we’re talking ◡̈
Hit box too big
You can see everyone now but still run straight into a wall...Yay!
😂😂😂
What’s the point of having a smoke ability now kinda gay nerf
I feel bad for bang mains. She’s gonna be so much easier to fight against now. Once you play the game for a while, it becomes easier to see through smoke already so now it’s even easier to just rush a bang trying to hide in her smoke. Especially with a close range weapon.
As a bang main I kinda like this🙏
The real question that was missed here is if aim assist works in bang smoke.
Nah this isn’t a nerf it makes bang play more streamlined
its a mix of both, offensive bang is more viable now, while defensive bang is less viable
@@mk-19memelauncher65it only works for a small amount of Time like 5-8secs and it will activate
What’s the point of her smokes now?
Exactly this isn't even should be called smoke 😂 And I know in the past she was seen as a perfectly balanced legend. Only for this new batch of devs to nerf her. Idk anymore
It’s for rotates now, as it is in every other game.
If controller doesn't get aim assist in the smoke it is still 100% worth it for mnk players.
Rotation
The smokes were always meant to block sight lines people just found different uses for it
"What's the point of Bangalore smokes now?"
Umm blocking sight lines and isolating you and the enemies inside from 3rd parties/enemies outside the smoke, both of which are its original purpose in the first place.
Butchered 2 birds with one giant boulder, goodnight Bangalore and Bloodhound.
I know it wasnt in the patchnotes but curious if bloodhound also sees through caustic gas too
ähm guys... have any of you read the BIOs recently? since when are they like this???
Does aim assist work in smoke with the white outline?
Apparently it does, saw dezignful tweet about it
This is the bigger implication of this... buffing AA even after those R5 results came out, riveting...
Update: apparently Dezignful as trolling lol (based on what the comments said)
I don't play Apex anymore, I just watch algs so I'm kinda happy to see this. Bang will always be good, same as bloodhound, but this will surely shake the meta a little bit ay least. Seer and crypto now are more viable and this will maybe bring some different pick for the sake of viewers. We're all sick and tired of blood/bang 100%pickrate
Couldn't they just give that "Gold" optic a buff, like a 3rd level of zoom, 6X maybe?, it's not Gold if it can't see through smoke, send it to the pawn shop, they don't want it.
How’s the havoc now?
I don't think it's worse the only reason it's meta is because every other gun got nerfed like the r99 for example
The Best tip I can offer is use mirage ultimate in the smoke.
Enemies will get confused seeing multiple highlights opponents
It's still stupid. EA and respawn are ruining the game. Might as well take all abilities out at this point.
Bang is done.
can we have the 1x digi back on smg's now🎉🎉
I agree with the point made at 2:28. The cross smokes are better imo because you can’t be scanned. And you both have to be in the smoke for the outline to appear pretty sure. I feel like you have to be more cognizant of how you work around the smoke. I’ve played bang since release I’m honestly more intrigued than anything else
Plus if you're on MnK and you have other MnK players on your team this could be strong as long as it's still disabling aim assist.
@@mmayojr mnk all day
Roller player here. I very rarely play inside bangs smoke anyway. Smoking yourself just to pop a quick bat usually results in the enemy spamming arc stars into the smoke anyways so usually I just smoke between me and the other team forcing them to relocate in order to gain line of sight by that time I’m behind a head glitch hitting a bat
Is that serasleepy?
Yeah it is :D
I had only one reason to play, a had only one weapon against aimassist. I had only one chance to fool an enemy, when he doesn't see me. It was a perfect trap for aimassist controller puppy, that wanted to tear me apart. But now he would and he will do it.
Smokes before was an emergency chance to reset, or move on the battlefield. Before this changes fighting in the smokes was a bad idea, but now...
"Fighting inside Bangalore's smoke has never been a pleasant experience for players or viewers (aside from you Bloodhounds) as it makes fights messy and hard to read."
Bullshit.
I liked that team that was pushing me was searching me in the smoke, and even if they kill me, they will spent more time on management and other team will kill them. And that was it, to make them afraid to make stupid decisions.
Brother, it still disables aim assist. Dramatic ahh 💀
There’s aim assist in smokes now…..
Roller teams will need Wattson to prevent themselves from being fucked over by 1 Bangalore smoke.
The smoke is completely useless other than negating aim assist now. MnK win, potentially?
is aim-assist still active in the smoke?
They just had to make bangalore have 1 smoke and increase its cooldown... Its idiotic that blood hounds ult and Sniper Digi dont work trough smoke, that was the whole point of them. Now the Sniper scope is just an useless clutter item in the loot pool.
idk if its gonna be good or not for the game but the changes are dumb as fk. A heat vision that cant see through smoke or gas and a smoke that outlines you, yeah right and then you have and emp affecting someone in faze as if it some sort of electrical machine.
Next they’ll make lifelines drone only heal her
Ngl it’s kindof a buff. Not their are clear advantages and disadvantages of smoke and ur not just reliant on bullshit
The mouse and keyboard players are going to be furious if it is true, but I have been hearing people say that aim assist works in the smoke now.
Why they make that apex die bro
She's about to tank harder than the titanic submersible.
Poor Shiv
still will be meta good controller players will shit on the bad ones and mnk will do well
She just doesnt work well with blood anymore. She can now force 1v1s on teams that are separated super easily.
I don't think this nerf will remove her from meta. It does balance a few things but I think their main target as someone else already pointed out in the comments above was to break up the forced hound/bang synergy. 100% pick rate in competitive is never a good sign for health regarding balance.
Anyone figure out if smoke still disables aim assist?
That one dude sounds like Vince Gulligan kinda 😂 (breaking bad director)
I just hope algs meta will be more interesting
r99 test plz
I don’t think it’s a nerf just a change
This game is COOKED
😂
Longbow got camera change when firing
It’s not as bad as I thought tbh
RIP the 4-8 😂
I think overall the change is good but I just feel bad for blood..
Also AA working in smoke is bs that's the worst thing about it 😩 they want us to use roller soo bad
I must say I'm extremely happy with this nerf. I absolutely can not stand Bangalore as a character. Bangalore players always tend to block my line of sight with her smoke. Say for example we have a mid range going Bangalore players will shoot their smoke at the enemies and completely block my visual range. Her tactical is supposed to be used defensively so our team can escape or reposition but every time without fail every SINGLE random Bangalore player that has picks her does the same shit. It's to the point where if I see someone pick Bangalore I leave the lobby and join a new game. Nothing irritates me more about this game.
I hate what Respawn is doing with all the nerfs. Im sick of companies forcing players to play a certain legend or style. WE ARE THE ONES PLAYING THE GAME. WE WANT TO PLAY WHAT WE ENJOY. I have literally quit and deleted other games because of these sorts of decisions. Combine this the constant audio bugs, ranked nonsense, never ending money grab skins, blatant hackers in every mode, I think Apex is on the way out for me.