Can this tool from Aliexpress make me a better painter?
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So I picked up a microscope camera to get more control when painting my warhammer miniatures. The question is, did it make me a better painter? This was probably the most difficult thing i've ever painted with. Check out Darren Han's instagram: / darrenhan5
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I like to think Squidmar is what happens when Sigmar gets slugged by an Illithid.
Ps. Brain slugged that is
Your eyes look so tired at the end
Mamma Mu, globally, finally!
where's the aliexpress link? i'm getting blasted with nordvpn, but no link or name of the product reviewed.
whats the tool called
As a jeweler I use a set up like this nearly every day. A few tips I have learned throughout the years
1. Find something comfortable to set your hands/wrist on to help brace yourself.
2. Use the lowest magnification that you can, and train yourself to increase it only when you absolutely need it. This helps with eye strain and will speed you up a bit.
3. Pay attention to your breathing. When you are working with a microscope your breathing can mess you up. Slow controlled breathing is the key.
4.Remeber that most mistakes can be fixed. Very few mistakes are visible to the naked eye so don't worry about making a few.
Keep up the great work man ! If you ever make your way to the US hit me up! I'll let you try with one of my Jeweler scopes! You'll be able to paint the pupils on a face then lol
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Hi - Good advice there. I am building models and I already got a 3.5X magnifying glasses. But Iøve seen these glasses with objectives on them. I think they are called head loupes, and they magnify around 20-30X.
Are they worth it? Do they provide depth perception?
@@esbenrasmussen4289 I use a headloup some days. but I tend to stay under 10x with it. Anything higher your depth perception can make your eyes go googly lol.
I do have a flip down lens on my headband that allows up to 30x for me to see a bit better for a minute or two.
Painting using magnification is a lot like target shooting or archery: never pull the trigger, release an arrow, make a brush stroke on an inhale or when holding one's breath, always at the tail end of an exhale.
Now that is Collaboration !
Like every new tool you encorporate into your box, no matter the hobby, sometimes it just takes loads of practice and use to get the desired result.
But if he has the right tool for the task and not just something similar he'll get better a lot faster. Mini painting requires depth perception. He needs stereo magnification: a stereo microscope or binocular loupes.
Seems like the ideal way for you to use this tool, would be to flesh out everything first, like you normally do, and then use the tool to really get in and do the super fine details Awesome video!!!
So in retrospect, i don't think i've ever tried a tool that made it so much more difficult to paint. It was quite disheartening, especially at first since it was a big set back in how my end results normally look. The final one looked better, but it was still a step back from what i normally do imho. Whats your take away?
What is that tool's name?
@@wh1tef4ng24 It's a microscope camera for electronic repairs
If I may interject as a fellow artist, I think you'll find a lot more success using this tool if you utilize it as a refinement step after your normal way of painting. Wouldn't rely on it from start to finish, because you end up wasting a lot of time in the beginning worrying about detail before you even have a good base.
@@Demigodish4o3 Yeah that is the way to go IF i ever decide to bring it out again :)
I wouldn't personally try it - this video is a good lesson though: we don't see as a microscope camera sees. Focusing on the minutia can distract from the overall look when we take a step back.
that frustration and step by step learning process is kind of why I started watching in the first place. using this tool is some ways makes you more relatable to first time and new painter.
Four hours on one miniature face would drive me crazy. Kudos to you for doing it twice.
A good set of surgical loupes be more effective for you as a painter. There's still a learning curve but you get independent magnification for both eyes and better depth perception. I'd be interested in seeing a video comparing the performance and seeing which approach you prefer.
However as a content creator this setup has the obvious advantage of also being able to capture footage.
This seems like a great tool to have if you´re giving a class, to make it easier to show what you´re working on.
Honestly it will take a lot of patience and hand to eye coordination to master but so far the faces look really good. The eyes bring in the summary of the whole face so I’d recommend working on those for better practice
You're already an insane painter, always pumping out quality content
Haha yeah, but this... this was a different story ;)
Even with the model coming out at a lesser result, the video shows pretty invaluable information. Something pro painters repeat but the common people don't get unless physically shown - new tools are not the shortcut to a higher quality paint job. Just like with the brush, you'll need to practice to achieve a better result. I really like these videos, personally.
Your video inspired me to build a holder for my iPhone so i could zoom in on the miniature in the camera app. My eyes are not what they once were and miniatureeyes is just a blur for me. But zooming in made me able to "see" the eyes again. The holder i built is from a shoebox, as you can tilt the opening side. I used blue insulation foam that was cut in stripes to get a bar that the phone rests against. I set all in place with ducktape. 3 of the sides had to be cut out to let in light and my arms to hold the miniature and brush.
And when it was set up i discovered all little mistakes i had made on my miniature :-(.
Link to the microscope you used?
bought one , looking forward to trying it. thanks for the heads up :)
The equipment doesn’t make the master, the experience does, and buddy you definitely got a lot of experience, love watching you stuff
I think that's pretty cool. It's the equivalent of drawing on a PC using a tablet, which is quite different from drawing directly onto paper. The end result still looks better than what I do to faces.
That’s pretty cool, idk if I would buy one but I have a desk light with a magnifying glass that works pretty well.
Electronic technicians make a lot of use of microscopes. Especially with cellphone repair. There are a lot of options and prices out there.
If you really want to try more painting this way., then you need to look more into the types of microscopes available and what would suit your needs.
there are both digital and optical microscopes available, Opticals made be old school but they have some definite advantages. Better colour accuracy is one.
And you can take pictures and record video with an optical by getting a video recorder to attach to the scope. But it's more money.
The main thing to remember.
Paying more money may not get you a better quality scope. But paying less money will definitely get you a lower-quality one.
Try surgical goggles: they have some magnification, but you still have depth perception
Often called binocular magnifiers or loupes these are often cheaper than a stereo microscope (which is what he needed but didn't get) but the high end surgical models can run into hundreds of US$ and are even more expensive than a basic stereo microscope.
Shots of your face while looking at the screen are hilarious 🤣
You were brave to give it a go. Well done. At least you can say you tried it.
I gave it a good honest 10 hours or so in total. It was rough ahah
Man the face of that yellow marine was hilarious, his eyes were super derpy
A friend bought me a large magnifying glass meant for soldering, but it works really well for when I want to get in close so I can see detail, especially on faces that my naked eye just can't see.
Diofa, the face was so on point!! i need this hellish machinery ASAP
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I paint almost exclusively with a led magnifying glass. It's only about 2x increase and really keeps me from straining my eyes. Highly recommended! like $25 or something on amazon
i just use reading glasses at 2x they cost 3€ for a pair and is just a normal glasses frame instead of such a bulky thing
@@tomfirens1400 I’ll try that. makes it easier to get a steady elbow support
i like that the picture used when emil said the worlds best painter was rembrandt
I use this as a radio repair technician. It takes getting used to, but its better foe your posture than using a microscope when working on a tint pcba
keep up the great work. One of the best miniature channels out there !!!
But how do I find that tool in Ali Express? :(
Good God that is amazing level of skill
The last result was pretty well done
The equivalent in work experience I have is explantation of specific organ tissue for plant research.
We have to do it under a microscope. We have bracing of the sample, bracing of the tools, my arms are braced, I have to be positioned a certain way and I can only work so long before my hands fail the shake test and I get rotated out. It's a completely different skill set if I'm scoping vs if I am not. We have to learn how to move our arms differently, position our spine and elbows differently.
You switching to this is probably more akin to you switching to a completely different medium or art. Yeah your skills help, but this is apples to aircraft carriers. He also probably learned all the little widget tricks he needs to do this, that you just haven't experienced.
Kinda like if I compared my mini painting to yours. It wouldn't be a fair comparison.
Mamma Mu & Kråkan, definitely a great swedish classic
been kicking ass with content, helll yeah
I have a 4inch magnifying glass led light on an arm that I use. It really does help once you get used to it!
Likewise, plus some watchmaker loupes…
Really interesting. Loved it.
Darren Han ? Whose Darren HaaoOLY shEIGhT!
If you mount the head on a cocktail stick and hold it in easy hand holder it might be easier with only one moving hand
I use a magnifier for my glasses to put on and thats really a big help to me.
Thanks for the video, any chance we can get a link to the seller so we can check it out?
did I miss something? a rig for painting by who? is it affordable?
There's no substitute for talent and a bucketload of practice.
Oh i know for definite that seeing my work that close would just make me want to be sick lol!
Haha yes... yes
In one of the comments on that video, Darren Han himself said it's not his equipment. One of his students brought it. I don't know if he started using one since then but in the other video I've seen he doesn't even use a magnifier when painting.
It's a Paradox to me. We're painting these 32mm figures in a specific way because they're meant to be viewed from a proportional distance. To fixate on painting at a this magnification level of detail is counterintuitive.
very much so
That second face was a huge improvement. As a painter no where near you skill level can I suggest maybe a smaller brush for more control, as well as flow extender for more working time?
hey Squid, whats the lamp youre using?
5:31 yoooo Sven Nordqvist absolute legend
What about using a jewelers vice to hold the mini?
I've had mild rheumatoid arthritis since I was like 15,even if I saw the closeups that this machine gives I literally cannot do precise enough movements for this to make any difference for me.
Don't get me wrong I still have a lot of control over my motions and I don't struggle with painting details etc,but this would be just too much.
It would drive me nuts, the finesse required would give me a mental tick if nothing else
That second face looked soooo good compared to the first one. Pretty insane how well you adapted to a new tool. Wouldn't blame you if you didn't use it except for a few cases due to how long it takes to use. Would love to see some stuff you can pull off with another 20-30 hours of practice!
I've been thinking of trying something like this because I already have no depth perception because I lost sight in one eye and I had cataract surgery so it's difficult to focus up close any more with my good eye. I would have to clamp the figure being painted securely to the desk top, though.
I used a lot of videomicroscope when i worked in electronics manufacturing.
there are ones with better depth of field and less imput lag, but they crazy expencive most of times
I never thought i'll see theese in mini painting :D
I feel a little bad, but I burst out laughing at the face at 4:49 (only because I know you're a great painter) - the dude looked like he was in a car accident :D I've often thought about rigging up something like this, but I hadn't considered the loss of depth perception. Thanks for the informative vid! - Mike
yaa.... but omg man the first ork looks so amazing already
i have one of those for microsoldering. Great if you have the best brush control ever (i don't, microsoldering is a lot easier). I'm amazed at how quickly you are great with it. The better systems have a binocular setup, so you keep your depth of field / depth perception.,
Doing this is literally the biggest waste of time in hobby painting for 99.999999% of us but I love it. Always interested in learning more and understanding exactly where I won't be investing my hobby time!
If you could somehow get two cameras with the right spacing between them, and someone to write the software... you could potentially use a VR headset to get depth perception.
any link to the device on aliexpress? or at least what keywords did you search for? thanks
Thank you sooo sooo much for doing this. Since my eyesight got worse a couple of years ago, I now look at my minis by taking a picture with a 10MP camara, zoomed in to max and then bring the picture up on my computerscreen to zoom in even more. That gives me about the same close up as some of the pictures you showed in this video. Now, I've never really liked my own painting. I think it looks messy, perhaps the finish is a bit too shiny or the eyes don't look in the exact same direction, but now I saw the exact same thing on your minis and for once, I'm starting to think that maybe my paintjobs arn't that bad. Maybe I just use too much zoom...? Anyway, thank you for showing this and I really hope some of the other youtube painters do the same. It takes some guts, but I bet if they get a challenge from the great Squiggy, perhaps one or two will answer the call?
You should try painting a landscape on a piece of rice
Hey my dude, great video as always. One thing you should try if you ever have the chance is using a stereo microscope. I've used ones like the one you have for electronic projects and they're ok but not great. I now use a stereo microscope and hand soldering super tiny components is way easier. I'd never considered applying this tool to mini painting but I suspect the results would be the same. When you've got both eyes going at the same time things still appear in 3d just really big, the difference between those and what you've got there is night and day.
i hate doing the face and eyes part on none helmeted units specially battle of sisters . find it so hard for me to do the eyes most of all. but i do my best even with my hand issues when holding the paint brushes
I should send you a mini nail art brush for that
Could you please put a link or the name of your table lamp with the other stuff you use?
What I feel would be far superior to this would be a proper inspection microscope . they will have no lag being entirely optical while and being very easy to use and not screwy with exact head /eye position like an ordinary microscope, and they let you retain your depth perception. Regretfully they are also quite expensive.
Very interesting video! Perhaps this tool would be good to use for painting eyes and some other details. I could personally never get the precision neede while looking through a camera, good job Emil!
What is the name or link of the set up you bought... I have other uses for it...
I feel like magnified goggles or a magnifying lamp(which i used to use before it broke in a move) would be a much better experience since you still get some depth perception. I have a friend who bought some goggles but I didnt think those were as good as the lamp
try using a stereo microscope... it will guive yoou the depth you are missing and the same "zoom" level
It's seems like it has a similar hurdle like when I started using a Wacom tablet where you look at the screen instead at the "paper"
Get the octopus jig form sukera hobby it will let u steady the model hand free and give you 360 spin and 270 side to side
Hell of a job 👏
Looked awesome
Considdering you Had Problems with depth perceptionbon the Screen try either a regular microscope (with lenses and Mordors) I'd assume 50-100 magnification should suffice or maybe some VR solution.
The type of setup is quite alright I think. There are others of the same type with much better depth perception, since these are also used for electronics soldering and damage inspection, but they are also more expensive than the one used here propably.
+1 for the "enkrona" for scale :D
Might come in handy for the Manta paint job 😄
I'd say that this is a tool that you would only be good with after a _lot_ of practice, and it honestly didn't look like you had the right brushes for that fine of work. It's not going to be something that even a practiced painter is going to just pick up the stand and go right to town with. It's also something you'd probably reserve for important pieces where the additional time on just the face isn't going to feel wasted.
On the other hand, you're skill with painting is already top notch. You really don't need this setup to get an amazing piece that will stand up to anything short of a microscope (which this thing is).
such a dumb question I know, but what's the trick for mounting small pieces like you did? tack?
try a stereoscopic industrial microscope you will have a better perception of depth than on a screen
Damm was hoping it would paint the dam mini for me as well to save me time 😜😙
Wow finally saw this close to release. Also i could never paint through a screen my painting is rough enough with out adding a harder method lol
Using magnifing glasses and electric microscopes or just like zooming in on stuff with a camera always screws with my head.
Crazy looks awesome
I am looking for a microscope for painting miniatures thanks for sharing!
Dollar store, 3x reading glasses. Cheap and really effective.
This reminds me of when those ads of ear spoons with cameras that outputs to phones popped up a year or two ago - they were marketed to those who want to clean their ears solo.
Those are dangerous to use due to the camera not providing a field of depth perception.
Try to use Model Air instead and the brush must be pointing downards so the paint can flow to the tip of the brush.
There is no link to the item to purchase from Aliexpress... ☹
how does this compare to the other magnifying techniques?
Cool experiment, I would love to try it but think I would have such a hard time with depth perception and controlling my movements though...
You madlad! You sound a bit tired or something, I hope you are OK as we need to see the Tau Manta soon!
Would you be able to let me know the name of the microscope camera and screen if possible many thanks. And great video
In many cases it's just called practice. Your muscles need to learn, your eyes needs to train. And that is with about any tool. What might seem hard at the beginning. It's like zoom glasses that surgeons,and dentists use. At first it might seem harder, but after you learn to use the tool you become better. Not saying this is the case with this tool. I say more time, and patience might result in better results, and become faster.
All those links in the description but no link to the subject of this video!
Sup Emil!
Super excited, as i'm starting to save up to be able to buy your fancy ass brushes. Been using cheap off brand brushes for over 10 years and have never had a nice good quality one. So i want yours to be my very first high quality brushes. So i hope your brushes will be available for purchase next year, as i currently am taking care of my family single handed xD Will bea while but thank you for all the contect you make for us here. Much love from your Scandinavian Brother!
I got my vortex paint shaker on aliexpress for a 6th of the price from the fancy pants one and I don't think it does less
I need one of these !!! Im getting old and my eyes are going bad .
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