I love coming back to this video around the time a new agent is releasing, and I feel like 'Breach with minor info ability and no flashes' is exactly what the new agent will be at this rate
I love your content, it’s so interesting and it feels legitimately like a master class. Side note: wouldn’t raze kind of fit more in the middle of the duelist class graph? Given her bomb bot for initiation and satchels with her movement?
@@sirknightj3094 yeah especially how her nades are often used to stop pushes though an area like a controller might with mollies/smokes, and her boom bot and be used similarly
Movement doesnt necessarily mean she is moving towards sentinels side. Her satchels are purely used for pushing and are not effective in the situations, where you have to escape, unlike Jetts dash or maybe even Neons slide.
Me and my friends have only recently got back into the game after not having played since the beta and your content has been all over my recommended since and I have to admit I'm loving it - match analysis videos and stuff like this alike. Often while playing I'll hear takes like "KAY/O should honestly just be a duelist" or sometimes I'll confuse Chamber for a duelist rather than sentinel myself, placing agents on a venn diagram like this really makes it all more clear. Very insightful stuff, love your takes, keep up the good work.
When I was thinking about latest Chamber changes, I realized that for me sentinel class is more like adding manpower to the team and not passive info gathering or defending space What I mean by that is you can have impact on the map, like you had more people in your team KJ, Cypher and Chamber trap is obvious, you can watch chokepoints/flanks without using a player - effectively you have one more person to spare. Sage can wall and watch other place, but also heal/rez to basically return a player to the game. Chamber can take fights, that in other scenarios would require him to be traded. So both Sage and Chamber can add manpower by not losing players. This also applies to Reyna and Jett
Each of Sage's abilities are basically designed to stretch the time of each round: Slow orb delays push Wall can deny a push more effectively Heal increases the amount of time a player can survive Resurrect by nature increases the length of a round by allowing one player back in the game, and can bolster defense exponentially (like placing a trap but having a player controlling it and more deadly) It's weird when people say Sage no longer fits the Sentinel class just because she doesn't have a trap... But when you think about it it's really cool what Riot has done with the agents in the game.
Also it makes sense that Chamber is the best opper. A sentinel should be the one who must be the most deadly weilding a defensive gun, not an agent designed for entry.
6:45 I think Yoru can atleast touch the movement circle as it could be considered near instant rotation "movement" or being able to ignore some utility
I feel like raze is more of an initiator than a controller. Flashes/stuns aren't the only initiator-esc abilities. Raze's boom bot is an active information gathering ability that pulls her toward initiator. And I'd argue her nade is also more initiator than controller because it doesn't last very long and more so does a burst of damage, making it more useful for setting up the team to enter contested space(by flushing out a certain angle) than cordoning off dangerous areas(by stalling). I'd put raze in between phoenix and yoru, leaving a massive gap in the duelist-controller category.
This is so clear to me. It's already in the game, there are some traits agents have, like smoke, pick, info, heal, flash, flush and "space making", when I pick I look at what the team has and pick accordingly
I've always thought how an information or initiator based controller would be. Maybe similar to cypher cages where they make an audio cue when passed through by enemies and/or maybe provide extra movement speed when moving within smokes for allies.
I want a agent that like a kayo knife but it shows if spike is in that range it scanned and the ultimate should be u can carry and move enemy spike for like 7 seconds to pick it up an move to a safe spot to hold but cost ult points and then prob a flash or molly or even some kinda sage wall so this agent is better at defusing to he has a little cover now
Really interesting to see how oversaturated the duelist/initiator subclass is with Skye, KayO, Yoru, and somewhat Phoenix all competing for the same role in the team
Some feedback from a sub, i would change the title a bit! Seeing the title I thought most of it was gonna be the stereotypical prediction without much to go on, but the real meat of this video is Riot's "Agent Design Philosophy" or something similar sounding, and it's incredibly interesting and revealing. It's kinda in the second part of the title, but i'd def put it first at least. Just my 2 cents for what would get me to click fastest, great video!
This is soo helpful, not only does this explain how the game will move in the future but also how I should play with, against, or around these agents. thanks for explaining it to my monki brain.
damn. you basically predicted all 4 new agents. no info sentinel is basically deadlock, she doesn't has any info gather. and challenges sage as a staller. very initiator based wall controller. Harbor. spot on. duelist he didn't get it but there's actually 2 gap in the diagram. another one in initiator based. Iso is leaning more into initiator with his push wall and vulnerable. and initiator with aggressive stuns. gekko has very aggressive kit. with wingman as a drone, dizzy flash, thrash is also very agro ult. and even now with the new agent is most likely to be a controller. it can also be a duelists based controller, with agressive or movement abilities. and he basically got it with the diagram. bro was getting future insider info.
I absolutely appreciate your diversity in content - obviously the quality is amazing, but these more meta/design discussions help me understand the game while your VOD reviews help me learn about it. Thank you so much for not just making this game easier to play, but also more fun :) have a great day!!
Great idea, I also think it would fit nicely with anderzz's theory of team comps, where this feels like much more powerfull description of an agents kit rather then just having a single subtype.
Looking at these diagrams, I think they have to lean into passives/extra utility more for duelists to be more distinct from Initiators. Initiators (of any subclass), can get their util back after waiting which requires nothing, but duelists NEED the kills to continue to provide util. I think this is why Neon benefits a lot because she basically has a passive ability built into her slide. She can sprint, she can stun, she has a ferarri peak, a wall, and she has a beam. She essentially has 5 abilities to work with, and her signature ability technically recharges. Other Duelists don't get the same benefits even in their own niche.
I would like to discuss new agent model designs, it seems like the newer agents are getting more and more dangerous, like how Chamber seems to be up to no good, neon being able to destroy entire cities if she doesnt have her power limiters, and fade needing multiple agents just to stop and contain her, I would think it would be a cool concept that for an upcoming agent they get teased and revealed but instead, we got something else, a biproduct of the agent, because in the lore they were too powerful to stop
revisiting this. this was very accurate for the "next sentinel" and "next controller" ones with deadlock and harbor and gekko id say is sort of in the middle of all the initiators. he has aoe, flash/stun, and information
10:20 The sentinel you're describing sounds to me like it will probably be something with a riot shield type of ability and dash ability. Probably some forcefield of a sort.
The way i think of how riot will introduce new characters is what role in the game doesnt have enough varity and what agent gimmicks havent been used enough. For example we havent seen a heal agent in a while or gotten a new controller so theres a possibility for a heal based controller. Or a new sentinal with a breech style stun that needs to be charged up to gather info
every one of your video's I watch the more I think you are the "ls" of Valorant with your very in depth talks about the game. Keep up the stellar work my guy.
A few ideas I cooked while watching: 1. Agent with a [Fake Spike] ult. Will blow up after half defusing this spike. Has either a teleport or smoke to complement the ult. 2. Agent that can produce a [Pressure Wave] into any WASD direction. Can push enemies away if aimed at them close range. If used against a wall, it works like Raze Satchel for this Agent. 3. Agent that can aim at any building or object and [Push Material], creating a box wall that is hard to break. It'll be sized around a Radianite Box. Can only used on floor, wall or ceiling.
a controller/movement type. 2 Smoke Wall than can be deploy anywhere on map lasts for 15 secs. Has a grapling hook like what Batman uses that he can use to position on a higher level and a gun that shoots a projectile that slows an area.
In terms of an advance team controller I'm thinking an ult that nearsights an entire portion of the map, with a fog effect, a bit like a viper ult, but a much larger area, cast from a distance, doesn't decay and is much shorter lasting. It would effectively hard counter anyone holding long angles on the defender side and give enough time to rush the site and gain space. Might be a bit OP, but it would be an expensive ult. Could call the agent Myst.
I feel the next smoker is like going to be a more aggresive astra, I feel like a smoke bomb which is rechargable and can have 2 durations of their choice. A burst option of either damage like a timed explosive mixed with a landmine will be good and a way to either stun, blind, or force reposition that can be used as well. The ult will have to be unique but i think a ult that can be similar to viper ult in vision and area denial might be good
i think maybe the way we read the controller class should be changed a bit. if you recall in the buff to viper, they mentioned how they wanted her to create long lasting changes to the map that change the way you play around it, which is obviously extremely unique to her. her hybrid role as a sentinel imo comes from the decay damage and the mollies, which make it impossible to enter the site safely. her controller ability comes from the way she cuts up the map, which no other controller does every single one of astras abilities is an AOE initiator-esque ability and imo she is initiator controller hybrid on attack and initiator sentinel hybrid on defense, so i don’t see another controller filling that space below brim because astra takes two entirely separate areas of the diagram herself which is partially why she was so broken imo
we still have a couple....acts before the next character but i hope i remember to come back and see if riot follows this or if they do something out of left field
Since Kay/o introduced an agent with an actual flash grenade and we have multiple agents with variations of frag grenades, I fully expect the next smoke agent to throw smoke grenades.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made a sentinel that is similar to Jäger from r6, also I believe that it would quite well fit into the category between sage and chamber.
A sentinel version of initiator kayo. Very likely because utility denial is always strong in defense and seeing how Jetts and Yorus duelist teleport/movement got converted for a sentinel I can see this work out too With receiving no go little information with this device that stops enemy utility in an area it would also fit into his prediction with the next sentinel having no information gathering abilities
Or even something like Wattson from Apex, someone who controls the site by denying util, like raze bombs, mollys and other stuff. Or something that slows opponents like Cypher cages used to do, it would be cool
I was actually thinking of a wall controller that has an aftershock, a couple of smokes he can shoot through a wall and his ultimate temporarly recharghes his entire kit. The wall would be like the pheonix wall but can go through walls
I think they nerfed Brim because it keeps him closer to his identity. If Brim had 2 stims he could do an exec with 2 smokes and 1 stim. If stalled he could rotate and have another (smaller) exec with 1 smoke and 1 stim.
I feel like an agent that empowers himself to have tracer rounds as a normal ability and ult affecting the whole team could make for some interesting plays.
What about a TEAM movement focused initiator? Sort of how Lucio fills that niche in Overwatch, but more impactful than a Brim Stim. Might make the Brim nerf make more sense if they have something like that in the works.
you're actually a genius! i think the next agent is another sentinel or duelist because right now initiators and controller metas feel pretty good. yoru and phoenix need changed and/or another duelist needs to be similar to raze with aoe, and sentinels either cypher and kj need changed and/or another sentinel needs to compete with sage.
controller meta isnt really great... Every controller is pretty weak right now when compared to the other agents in the game, but smokes are basically necessary for higher elo and pro play, and thats sadly pretty much the only reason these get picked right now. the initiator meta is pretty nice, with only Kayo needing some nerfs right now imo. I think the controllers should just get a little bit of a buff, for example viper, viper is basically only run as a second smoker right now cause of her fuel nerfs, which in my opinion were quite counterproductive by pushing her even more into her sentinel design, which I think isnt that great, except for if youre trying to make space for a new controller in the same area that viper is in...but then I think the nerf was too early, cause its been 3 months or so now since 4.04 and we cant really expect a new agent any soon, which in my opinion is gonna be a controller to add more options for controller mains to play, cause we have the least controller agents in the team out off all classes with 4. The sentinel meta isnt great, but can be fixed with some buffs and nerfs I think, we dont need a new agent for that. Duelists...Jett. We cant fix jett, the only thing the nerf did is make her more an actual duelist, since it forced her from the op, which also forced her out of playing like a sentinel on defense, and just made her better to entry. I think Jetts in a sense better now for being agressive, which is healthy for the game, but is boring for the other duelist mains.
@@DualityofLife I agree with most of what you said, but I think the controller meta while they are weak its because of the impact they have, like you said viper is only good with some good setups, but i believe at least omen and brim are in good spots. Astra and Viper might need changed though, but honestly I feel like Valorant's been avoiding controllers bc they've had many opportunities to add more but instead they add other roles. Now after reanalyzing the meta I think that the next agent is likely a sentinel or controller, and thanks for your opinion as it makes sense
@@char5379 I definitely agree with your statement of a sentinel also being next up for new agents. Avoiding controllers kind of makes sense, since they are probably quite hard to develop, since they all are quite similar in terms of abilities, and you cant really do that much about that. Thats why I think Riot is avoiding controllers, basically just like you said. Sentinel would be the other role that would (kind of) make sense, since it has a lot of options. you can defend space through a lot of things, may it be through an op like chamber or through kj/cypher setups.
this may be a bit of a stretch, but i would enjoy a video breaking down what you think the optimal team composition would be for sentinels on each map, who should play what, and who they should ultimately drop personally i thought about this and figured that that having three players who can all flex between different initiators and chamber is going to be the meta soon (for example, if SEN was shahz kanpeki sick zombs and dapr, between shahz sick and kanpeki they can play every single initiator, the three good duelists, chamber, and sick could STILL flex smokes on top of that). I see that team for SEN being the most beneficial in the long run (no disrespect to tenz, i just think their role flexibility is ultimately more valuable) because they can build more optimal team comps than they can with tenz
I hope the next agent is a controller that's "advance self" cause people in ranked/pugs might be more willing to play smokes if they can also be self-sufficient
I really need a new controller 😭 they probably will add a new smoking method. I really love Omen's smoke method, hope Riot will make a new one that better
I disagree with placing Raze in the more controller based circle. With the circles you've drawn there, yeah that's where she would go, but I think the duelist circles should be re-thought. I've always thought of Raze as a duelist-initiator. Her roomba is an information gathering tool like Fade's prowler, her grenade clears corners like Breach. Even her ult can be used to clear corners (typically done when you've run out of time with the ult and you just need to send it somewhere). The duelists I've always thought of as controller-like are Jett, Phoenix and Neon since they have sight blocking abilities, which in a lot of cases are used to block the chokepoints where controller smokes typically go. Therefore I would re-define the duelist circles to have the Movement based duelists as more Sentinel like, the Space clearing and Flashes both defining the Initiator like duelists, and Sight blocking defining the more Controller based duelists
Hmm... I agree with you on Raze not more on controller based but I disgree on Jett, Phoenix and Neon's sight blocking abilities are controller based in anyway, its not its just meant to make space allow entries for you and your teammates thats all.
Yaa I think Raze is also kinda be in all circles as her rumba gives info so she can be a initiator-duelist (thats why some teams play no initiator on split map), Her nade+ rocket is also great way to stop pushes even her satchels too + Her utility easily helps a team get control on certain areas in map like hooka in bind Arcade in Fracture so she is also kind a controller-Duelist
@@infiniteishu In my mind, thats the purpose of controller smokes as well, you block chokepoints to make space for you and your team. Just that the duelist ones tend to be closer to the actual entrypoint
I was going to ask if you could do a vct watch party for the group stages as I really think it would have been really interesting but then remembered that you need permission from riot to do that :( I hope you get it someday soon
Heyyy so as I am addicted to this game i was wondering if Riot gives me a chance to make or design a agent what will I do remembering the current meta so here is my take For Sentinal I had a idea of having land mines as traps and if triggered the enemies gets dazed or Decayed and also must a smoke or blocking a choke point ability like cypher cage but in a different style for Controller Its obvious for agent developers to make a smoke agent that can compete against Viper like having smokes in form of a wall as on Breeze and icebox viper doesnt have any competition. So My controller will have a wall smoke thingy but not like viper u put it once and after 20 sec it gets vanished and u get another charge in 30-35 sec and other ability may be flashes or nades as there is only 1 agent that has nade like ability For Initiator I had an Idea of having Witch like agent agent that make spells as her abilities and she can be a lineup initiator and having 1 spell that lands on ground and may be recon them or near sight then at point of contact and other 1 ability having heal spell and her ult may be lighting spell where she cab striker lightning in site and it is more kinda like sova/breech ult For duelist Its better for riot to make a duelist agent which comprises both flash and movement ability so I was thinking having a duelist that having jetpacks and flashes too So this was my take
I love coming back to this video around the time a new agent is releasing, and I feel like 'Breach with minor info ability and no flashes' is exactly what the new agent will be at this rate
Brim would have been on top of Astra 😳
Was just about to comment this exact same thing and then i saw this comment
he opened skye,Astra is next
Didn't expect to see you here.
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I love your content, it’s so interesting and it feels legitimately like a master class. Side note: wouldn’t raze kind of fit more in the middle of the duelist class graph? Given her bomb bot for initiation and satchels with her movement?
Plus she’s got her nade to flush people out of corners, like kayos molly, sovas shocks, and breach’s stun and aftershock
yeah raze is a little intitator type without a single flash, and here the circle is flash one so he didn't put her in there
@@CTGAMIN that would make her more of a controller since she's gaining control of a certain area w those abilities
@@sirknightj3094 yeah especially how her nades are often used to stop pushes though an area like a controller might with mollies/smokes, and her boom bot and be used similarly
Movement doesnt necessarily mean she is moving towards sentinels side. Her satchels are purely used for pushing and are not effective in the situations, where you have to escape, unlike Jetts dash or maybe even Neons slide.
Me and my friends have only recently got back into the game after not having played since the beta and your content has been all over my recommended since and I have to admit I'm loving it - match analysis videos and stuff like this alike. Often while playing I'll hear takes like "KAY/O should honestly just be a duelist" or sometimes I'll confuse Chamber for a duelist rather than sentinel myself, placing agents on a venn diagram like this really makes it all more clear. Very insightful stuff, love your takes, keep up the good work.
This aged beautifully with Harbor being initiator-esque
You never fail to amaze me with your ideas. I love what you did with neon of how you really see why she got nerfed
When I was thinking about latest Chamber changes, I realized that for me sentinel class is more like adding manpower to the team and not passive info gathering or defending space
What I mean by that is you can have impact on the map, like you had more people in your team
KJ, Cypher and Chamber trap is obvious, you can watch chokepoints/flanks without using a player - effectively you have one more person to spare. Sage can wall and watch other place, but also heal/rez to basically return a player to the game. Chamber can take fights, that in other scenarios would require him to be traded. So both Sage and Chamber can add manpower by not losing players. This also applies to Reyna and Jett
Each of Sage's abilities are basically designed to stretch the time of each round:
Slow orb delays push
Wall can deny a push more effectively
Heal increases the amount of time a player can survive
Resurrect by nature increases the length of a round by allowing one player back in the game, and can bolster defense exponentially (like placing a trap but having a player controlling it and more deadly)
It's weird when people say Sage no longer fits the Sentinel class just because she doesn't have a trap... But when you think about it it's really cool what Riot has done with the agents in the game.
Also it makes sense that Chamber is the best opper. A sentinel should be the one who must be the most deadly weilding a defensive gun, not an agent designed for entry.
@@gouthameow That's actually a good point
That is literally passive info gathering
6:45 I think Yoru can atleast touch the movement circle as it could be considered near instant rotation "movement" or being able to ignore some utility
damn this is such a good way of looking at things
+ brim on top of astra lmao
I feel like raze is more of an initiator than a controller. Flashes/stuns aren't the only initiator-esc abilities. Raze's boom bot is an active information gathering ability that pulls her toward initiator. And I'd argue her nade is also more initiator than controller because it doesn't last very long and more so does a burst of damage, making it more useful for setting up the team to enter contested space(by flushing out a certain angle) than cordoning off dangerous areas(by stalling). I'd put raze in between phoenix and yoru, leaving a massive gap in the duelist-controller category.
This is one of my favorite valorant videos ever
This is so clear to me. It's already in the game, there are some traits agents have, like smoke, pick, info, heal, flash, flush and "space making", when I pick I look at what the team has and pick accordingly
Your videos are actually so good man, can't wait for the next
"Breach with smokes instead of flashes" is basically what happened
I've always thought how an information or initiator based controller would be. Maybe similar to cypher cages where they make an audio cue when passed through by enemies and/or maybe provide extra movement speed when moving within smokes for allies.
Damn wanted to be a steven stone main
Your videos are so unbelievably underrated. Thank you for all the effort!
I want a agent that like a kayo knife but it shows if spike is in that range it scanned and the ultimate should be u can carry and move enemy spike for like 7 seconds to pick it up an move to a safe spot to hold but cost ult points and then prob a flash or molly or even some kinda sage wall so this agent is better at defusing to he has a little cover now
Actually some really interesting ideas
@@waternojus6613 thanks 🙏
Really interesting to see how oversaturated the duelist/initiator subclass is with Skye, KayO, Yoru, and somewhat Phoenix all competing for the same role in the team
Dude that is reaalllyyy cool. Amazing content keep it up
u are the best valorant youtuber every single video is like an eye-opener. Everyday i look forward to watch ur videos after college.
Amazing video ngl, I totally agree with you on the chamber changes
Some feedback from a sub, i would change the title a bit! Seeing the title I thought most of it was gonna be the stereotypical prediction without much to go on, but the real meat of this video is Riot's "Agent Design Philosophy" or something similar sounding, and it's incredibly interesting and revealing. It's kinda in the second part of the title, but i'd def put it first at least. Just my 2 cents for what would get me to click fastest, great video!
This is soo helpful, not only does this explain how the game will move in the future but also how I should play with, against, or around these agents.
thanks for explaining it to my monki brain.
damn. you basically predicted all 4 new agents.
no info sentinel is basically deadlock, she doesn't has any info gather. and challenges sage as a staller.
very initiator based wall controller. Harbor. spot on.
duelist he didn't get it but there's actually 2 gap in the diagram. another one in initiator based. Iso is leaning more into initiator with his push wall and vulnerable.
and initiator with aggressive stuns. gekko has very aggressive kit. with wingman as a drone, dizzy flash, thrash is also very agro ult.
and even now with the new agent is most likely to be a controller. it can also be a duelists based controller, with agressive or movement abilities. and he basically got it with the diagram.
bro was getting future insider info.
spot on with clove
I absolutely appreciate your diversity in content - obviously the quality is amazing, but these more meta/design discussions help me understand the game while your VOD reviews help me learn about it. Thank you so much for not just making this game easier to play, but also more fun :) have a great day!!
Great idea, I also think it would fit nicely with anderzz's theory of team comps, where this feels like much more powerfull description of an agents kit rather then just having a single subtype.
Looking at these diagrams, I think they have to lean into passives/extra utility more for duelists to be more distinct from Initiators.
Initiators (of any subclass), can get their util back after waiting which requires nothing, but duelists NEED the kills to continue to provide util. I think this is why Neon benefits a lot because she basically has a passive ability built into her slide. She can sprint, she can stun, she has a ferarri peak, a wall, and she has a beam. She essentially has 5 abilities to work with, and her signature ability technically recharges. Other Duelists don't get the same benefits even in their own niche.
I would like to discuss new agent model designs, it seems like the newer agents are getting more and more dangerous, like how Chamber seems to be up to no good, neon being able to destroy entire cities if she doesnt have her power limiters, and fade needing multiple agents just to stop and contain her, I would think it would be a cool concept that for an upcoming agent they get teased and revealed but instead, we got something else, a biproduct of the agent, because in the lore they were too powerful to stop
revisiting this. this was very accurate for the "next sentinel" and "next controller" ones with deadlock and harbor and gekko id say is sort of in the middle of all the initiators. he has aoe, flash/stun, and information
10:20 The sentinel you're describing sounds to me like it will probably be something with a riot shield type of ability and dash ability. Probably some forcefield of a sort.
Reinhardt in valo you mean
The way i think of how riot will introduce new characters is what role in the game doesnt have enough varity and what agent gimmicks havent been used enough. For example we havent seen a heal agent in a while or gotten a new controller so theres a possibility for a heal based controller. Or a new sentinal with a breech style stun that needs to be charged up to gather info
every one of your video's I watch the more I think you are the "ls" of Valorant with your very in depth talks about the game. Keep up the stellar work my guy.
A few ideas I cooked while watching:
1. Agent with a [Fake Spike] ult. Will blow up after half defusing this spike. Has either a teleport or smoke to complement the ult.
2. Agent that can produce a [Pressure Wave] into any WASD direction. Can push enemies away if aimed at them close range. If used against a wall, it works like Raze Satchel for this Agent.
3. Agent that can aim at any building or object and [Push Material], creating a box wall that is hard to break. It'll be sized around a Radianite Box. Can only used on floor, wall or ceiling.
This is suuchhhhh a good video may man. You know you can also do this for maps. Where maps are and what new designs can be introduced
a controller/movement type. 2 Smoke Wall than can be deploy anywhere on map lasts for 15 secs. Has a grapling hook like what Batman uses that he can use to position on a higher level and a gun that shoots a projectile that slows an area.
In terms of an advance team controller I'm thinking an ult that nearsights an entire portion of the map, with a fog effect, a bit like a viper ult, but a much larger area, cast from a distance, doesn't decay and is much shorter lasting. It would effectively hard counter anyone holding long angles on the defender side and give enough time to rush the site and gain space. Might be a bit OP, but it would be an expensive ult. Could call the agent Myst.
makes sense, this makes the buffs/nerfs and agent types easy to understand.
I feel the next smoker is like going to be a more aggresive astra, I feel like a smoke bomb which is rechargable and can have 2 durations of their choice. A burst option of either damage like a timed explosive mixed with a landmine will be good and a way to either stun, blind, or force reposition that can be used as well. The ult will have to be unique but i think a ult that can be similar to viper ult in vision and area denial might be good
One agent I think would be cool would be an agent that can get rid of smokes.
and an agent that can refill a teammate's utility to counter that
i think maybe the way we read the controller class should be changed a bit. if you recall in the buff to viper, they mentioned how they wanted her to create long lasting changes to the map that change the way you play around it, which is obviously extremely unique to her. her hybrid role as a sentinel imo comes from
the decay damage and the mollies, which make it impossible to enter the site safely. her controller ability comes from the way she cuts up the map, which no other controller does
every single one of astras abilities is an AOE initiator-esque ability and imo she is initiator controller hybrid on attack and initiator sentinel hybrid on defense, so i don’t see another controller filling that space below brim because astra takes two entirely separate areas of the diagram herself which is partially why she was so broken imo
we still have a couple....acts before the next character but i hope i remember to come back and see if riot follows this or if they do something out of left field
Since Kay/o introduced an agent with an actual flash grenade and we have multiple agents with variations of frag grenades, I fully expect the next smoke agent to throw smoke grenades.
This is actually an interesting take on the agents.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made a sentinel that is similar to Jäger from r6, also I believe that it would quite well fit into the category between sage and chamber.
A sentinel version of initiator kayo. Very likely because utility denial is always strong in defense and seeing how Jetts and Yorus duelist teleport/movement got converted for a sentinel I can see this work out too
With receiving no go little information with this device that stops enemy utility in an area it would also fit into his prediction with the next sentinel having no information gathering abilities
Or even something like Wattson from Apex, someone who controls the site by denying util, like raze bombs, mollys and other stuff. Or something that slows opponents like Cypher cages used to do, it would be cool
Been here since 400 subs :D your content rocks, man!
Love this style of video, really informing!
I think we'll see a "mine"-based sentinel in the future, with something like a landmine or proximity mine or whatever that detonates on contact.
That would be absolutely busted unless it was a stun mine that knocks people directly upwards or something
I was actually thinking of a wall controller that has an aftershock, a couple of smokes he can shoot through a wall and his ultimate temporarly recharghes his entire kit. The wall would be like the pheonix wall but can go through walls
I think they nerfed Brim because it keeps him closer to his identity. If Brim had 2 stims he could do an exec with 2 smokes and 1 stim. If stalled he could rotate and have another (smaller) exec with 1 smoke and 1 stim.
Feel like raze is closer to initiator with the boombot for info and nade for clearing positions
Great video I like the predictions we most likely are getting another controller
Man put Steven’s silhouette in the thumbnail
Brim being daddy according to our man what a line right there
I have an idea for the next sentinel that centers around shields, like the agents holds a shield and/or summons smaller barriers like Sage
I could see pheonix pushed up into the more controler and a new agent filling down at the bottom
Can you do a series on how pros play each character? Line ups, utility, plays you can make with a teammate,etc? I think it could be very interesting
Awesome as always!
Yoru should be under the blue and green circles, fully in yellow. He makes a damned good controller in certain situations and team comps
almost skipped the video looking at how good the thumbnail was...
Interesting have you thought about projecting remakes for characters like Phoenix and Cypher that seems a good followup to this.
You got deadlock completely right, good job!
I would really really like to see them buff pheonix in a unique way that makes him very controller like
i think cyper is an initatior/controller/sentienal combo cuz his cage and info
I feel like an agent that empowers himself to have tracer rounds as a normal ability and ult affecting the whole team could make for some interesting plays.
i love your videos so much
great analysis!
4:18 okey i see what hes tryna do
I don't agree with some of these, but this is a very strong starting point for discussion. Love this video from the bottom of my heart
10:50 sounds like phoenix
They should legit turn him into a controller, would be good for him
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What about a TEAM movement focused initiator? Sort of how Lucio fills that niche in Overwatch, but more impactful than a Brim Stim. Might make the Brim nerf make more sense if they have something like that in the works.
Can’t wait for them to add Steven from the Hoenn Elite Four to Valorant
you're actually a genius! i think the next agent is another sentinel or duelist because right now initiators and controller metas feel pretty good. yoru and phoenix need changed and/or another duelist needs to be similar to raze with aoe, and sentinels either cypher and kj need changed and/or another sentinel needs to compete with sage.
controller meta isnt really great... Every controller is pretty weak right now when compared to the other agents in the game, but smokes are basically necessary for higher elo and pro play, and thats sadly pretty much the only reason these get picked right now.
the initiator meta is pretty nice, with only Kayo needing some nerfs right now imo. I think the controllers should just get a little bit of a buff, for example viper, viper is basically only run as a second smoker right now cause of her fuel nerfs, which in my opinion were quite counterproductive by pushing her even more into her sentinel design, which I think isnt that great, except for if youre trying to make space for a new controller in the same area that viper is in...but then I think the nerf was too early, cause its been 3 months or so now since 4.04 and we cant really expect a new agent any soon, which in my opinion is gonna be a controller to add more options for controller mains to play, cause we have the least controller agents in the team out off all classes with 4. The sentinel meta isnt great, but can be fixed with some buffs and nerfs I think, we dont need a new agent for that. Duelists...Jett. We cant fix jett, the only thing the nerf did is make her more an actual duelist, since it forced her from the op, which also forced her out of playing like a sentinel on defense, and just made her better to entry. I think Jetts in a sense better now for being agressive, which is healthy for the game, but is boring for the other duelist mains.
@@DualityofLife I agree with most of what you said, but I think the controller meta while they are weak its because of the impact they have, like you said viper is only good with some good setups, but i believe at least omen and brim are in good spots. Astra and Viper might need changed though, but honestly I feel like Valorant's been avoiding controllers bc they've had many opportunities to add more but instead they add other roles. Now after reanalyzing the meta I think that the next agent is likely a sentinel or controller, and thanks for your opinion as it makes sense
@@char5379 I definitely agree with your statement of a sentinel also being next up for new agents. Avoiding controllers kind of makes sense, since they are probably quite hard to develop, since they all are quite similar in terms of abilities, and you cant really do that much about that. Thats why I think Riot is avoiding controllers, basically just like you said. Sentinel would be the other role that would (kind of) make sense, since it has a lot of options. you can defend space through a lot of things, may it be through an op like chamber or through kj/cypher setups.
this may be a bit of a stretch, but i would enjoy a video breaking down what you think the optimal team composition would be for sentinels on each map, who should play what, and who they should ultimately drop
personally i thought about this and figured that that having three players who can all flex between different initiators and chamber is going to be the meta soon (for example, if SEN was shahz kanpeki sick zombs and dapr, between shahz sick and kanpeki they can play every single initiator, the three good duelists, chamber, and sick could STILL flex smokes on top of that). I see that team for SEN being the most beneficial in the long run (no disrespect to tenz, i just think their role flexibility is ultimately more valuable) because they can build more optimal team comps than they can with tenz
Hiii TMV. A team in the philippines vct just used fade and won, would love to see you analize how they used her
thanks for the content
your content>>>>>
interesting analysis! i wonder how players and the meta will react when riot releases agents that fill these gaps
Even if Neon is good in every map, i don't think she needs a nerf cuz good at every map doesn't mean she will always be the best choice at those maps
Now i know why cypher and breach work with my game play
I hope the next agent is a controller that's "advance self" cause people in ranked/pugs might be more willing to play smokes if they can also be self-sufficient
You should ask to be on plat chat or valoranting, your input is very interesting
It would be interesting if they brought back the pre-nerf bucky right click as a sentinel weapon ability
i'd say skye is more of a duelist then a sentinel... her flashes are super-strong and her ult also lets her capitalize on her own util
after 2 years i believe a riot employee has watched this video
Do you think when there's more agent coming out,they will eventually make agents that live in the center circle?How would they balance it?
They just make it a bit worse at everything. Neon seems fine to me balance-wise.
isn't Raze more of an Initiator
random question was your name inspired by thinking mans basketball?
I really need a new controller 😭 they probably will add a new smoking method. I really love Omen's smoke method, hope Riot will make a new one that better
I disagree with placing Raze in the more controller based circle. With the circles you've drawn there, yeah that's where she would go, but I think the duelist circles should be re-thought.
I've always thought of Raze as a duelist-initiator. Her roomba is an information gathering tool like Fade's prowler, her grenade clears corners like Breach. Even her ult can be used to clear corners (typically done when you've run out of time with the ult and you just need to send it somewhere).
The duelists I've always thought of as controller-like are Jett, Phoenix and Neon since they have sight blocking abilities, which in a lot of cases are used to block the chokepoints where controller smokes typically go.
Therefore I would re-define the duelist circles to have the Movement based duelists as more Sentinel like, the Space clearing and Flashes both defining the Initiator like duelists, and Sight blocking defining the more Controller based duelists
Hmm... I agree with you on Raze not more on controller based but I disgree on Jett, Phoenix and Neon's sight blocking abilities are controller based in anyway, its not its just meant to make space allow entries for you and your teammates thats all.
Yaa I think Raze is also kinda be in all circles as her rumba gives info so she can be a initiator-duelist (thats why some teams play no initiator on split map), Her nade+ rocket is also great way to stop pushes even her satchels too + Her utility easily helps a team get control on certain areas in map like hooka in bind Arcade in Fracture so she is also kind a controller-Duelist
@@infiniteishu In my mind, thats the purpose of controller smokes as well, you block chokepoints to make space for you and your team. Just that the duelist ones tend to be closer to the actual entrypoint
Paper rex just ran (no pun intended) neon on icebox today!
I was going to ask if you could do a vct watch party for the group stages as I really think it would have been really interesting but then remembered that you need permission from riot to do that :( I hope you get it someday soon
The next agent will be Steven Stone?
Real ones know
Steven the goat tho FR
Hahaha you figured it out! I needed to get a character figure of a human looking cartoon and thought who’s a niche Pokémon character I can use!
riot be like :- this man litreally cracked our start
bruh this explains every nerf this is great
Can you update it
He predicted deadlock
Crazy
Awesome vid
Heyyy so as I am addicted to this game i was wondering if Riot gives me a chance to make or design a agent what will I do remembering the current meta so here is my take
For Sentinal I had a idea of having land mines as traps and if triggered the enemies gets dazed or Decayed and also must a smoke or blocking a choke point ability like cypher cage but in a different style
for Controller Its obvious for agent developers to make a smoke agent that can compete against Viper like having smokes in form of a wall as on Breeze and icebox viper doesnt have any competition. So My controller will have a wall smoke thingy but not like viper u put it once and after 20 sec it gets vanished and u get another charge in 30-35 sec and other ability may be flashes or nades as there is only 1 agent that has nade like ability
For Initiator I had an Idea of having Witch like agent agent that make spells as her abilities and she can be a lineup initiator and having 1 spell that lands on ground and may be recon them or near sight then at point of contact and other 1 ability having heal spell and her ult may be lighting spell where she cab striker lightning in site and it is more kinda like sova/breech ult
For duelist Its better for riot to make a duelist agent which comprises both flash and movement ability so I was thinking having a duelist that having jetpacks and flashes too
So this was my take