Greetings, below you will find some of the work that I've done on this subject of mandates and religious liberty. My prayer as you watch them is that you can come to understand that we can speak up for truth, while being patient and kind. Please keep this counsel from the S.O.P. in mind. "As the dew and the soft showers fall upon withering plants, so let words fall gently when seeking to win people from error. God’s plan for us is first to reach the heart. We are to speak the truth in love, trusting in Him to give it power for reforming the life. The Holy Spirit will apply to the soul the word that is spoken in love." 1. 2021 - No Mark No Service - ruclips.net/video/e9UbJBKakJY/видео.html 2. 2023 - Unspectacular Part 1 | The Adventist Response to COVID-19 | Could we have done more? - ruclips.net/video/oTzICZTDFQg/видео.html 3. 2023 - Unspectacular Part 2 | The Adventist Response to Mandates... Understanding Religious Liberty - ruclips.net/video/wlJF0uhFHrs/видео.html 4. 2021 - Part 1 | Liberty & The Three Angels Message | Understanding God's Character In Light Of Mandates - ruclips.net/video/nZgleDoscAM/видео.html 5. 2021 - Part 2 | Liberty & The Three Angels Message | Understanding God's Wrath In Light Of Mandates - ruclips.net/video/31KE6_f2CP8/видео.html NOTE: At the 14:25 mark, there is an error on one of the slides. The verse should be Exodus 32 not Revelation 13… Blessings.
Matthew Chapter 20 1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. 2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. 5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? 7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive. 8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. 9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. 10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. the early morning is the Jewish nation the 3rd hour is the early Christians the 6TH hour is the protestants the 9TH hour church is the SDA the 11TH hour will be the Remanent of her seed of the original church of Christ day not a denomination everyone of the ages of the Church fighting for truth fought in the beginning but fell lukewarm into apostasy and didn't fight further because they felt like they where RICH and in need of NOTHING ,Clothed but where Naked , ,,,follow the word not a denomination Satan can corrupt a denomination
My wife and I received the advent message as a result of God answering our prayer for truth. We came from Baptist and Penticostal backgrounds. That was 44 years ago. Much has changed, but God has not, nor has His Word. I'm not going anywhere until Jesus comes in the clouds of glory, or I'm taken out in a box and buried, or they throw me out because of persecution. To God be the glory!
Amen. If/when I see things wrong in the church I need to pray to GOD about it. Judgement belongs to God and I am fully convinced that SDA is the true church of God.
This is unfortunate, so you are saying SDAs should remain in apostasy? My dear brother, the remnant Church is not named in the Bible, it is described. Any group of people who attains that definition is the remnant church. God's Church will be organized by the Holy Spirit not by man.
Its ironic that a denomination that is so against the teachings of the Roman Catholic is defending their core doctrines : 1 The Church is infallible 2 It was founded directly by God though a chosen person ( Ellen White) 3 The leaders are therefore directly chosen by God and can only be removed by him, so dont you dare expose them. 4 you are saved 50 50 faith and works.
I'm a third generation SDA... And let me say this. For some time now we've all noticed certain things taking place in God's Church and for the most, we've kept silent. But the plandemic made it close to impossible for people to stand by and say, and do nothing. I am one of those that has been cancelled out because of speaking out. I give God's tithes to Evangelism n Education according to SOP.... I've lost faith in some of the leadership of the church because they have blended in with the norms of the world, but let me say this ... The SDA Church is chosen by God.... Has it turned into the remnant church yet.... No. it has not.... This sifting that's taking place puts us on our way..... Don't leave, stay put, let God lead, look to the olive tree and be aware for the signs..... In due time the faithful will go back to beginning, step by step, door to door, one at the time, small groups.... The G.C. and N.A.D. will not exist, BUT God's Church will.... Blessings....
@@sabbathsermonthetypistOh, how Satan would rejoice if he could succeed in his efforts to get in among this people and disorganize the work at a time when thorough organization is essential and will be the greatest power to keep out spurious uprisings and to refute claims not endorsed by the Word of God! We want to hold the lines evenly, that there shall be no breaking down of the system of organization and order that has been built up by wise, careful labor. License must not be given to disorderly elements that desire to control the work at this time. LDE 47.1
@@KuenditJunior you have a poor understanding of why the church organised. It wasn’t to boast and say it’s Gods church. Jesus never flaunted his position. Sister White believed that there would be another church - the church triumphant. In Christ’s day, the Jewish nation (God’s church) had so fully apostatised, Christ had to bypass the leadership and get the common fishermen to pick up the truth and run with it. He spent three and a half years calling for revival and reformation in the church, and gathering the disciples and getting them ready,- but the leadership rejected Jesus and turned on his followers. But the “New” church, the Christian church, was not formed until after His resurrection the “new church” was organised with those of the “old church” that had proven faithful! she says that we are repeating that history: when that “new” church had so fully apostatised that God could no longer use it, God raised up men, members of that “old” church - who called for revival and reformation in the church (Luther, Knox, Huss, Jerome, etc.) But the apostate leaders rejected truth and the Reformers finally were forced out and began the Protestant churches. Then in the 1840’s, when the Protestant churches had so apostatized - there arose men calling for revival and reformation in the Protestant churches (Millerites/Adventists), who were forced out of their churches by apostate leaders and eventually formed the Seventh-day Adventist Church. what does Sister White say about this? “The work of God in the earth presents, from age to age, a striking similarity in every great reformation or religious movement. The principles of God’s dealing with men are ever the same. The important movements of the present have their parallel in those of the past, and the experience of the church in former ages has lessons of great value for our own time.” GC 343 “Again and again I have been shown that the past experiences of God’s people are not to be counted as dead facts. We are not to treat the record of these experiences as we would treat a last year’s almanac. The record is to be kept in mind, for history will repeat itself. PM 175 4T 165: “In these days he (God) has instituted no new plan to preserve the purity of his people.” Did Sister White foresee the necessity of another coming out of God’s people from the church? Manuscript 30, June, 1889 (MR #895, p 2-5): for I dare not rely upon the wisdom of my brethren. I see they do not always take God for their counselor, but look in a larger degree to the men that have set before them in the place of God… “I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. WE HOPED THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE THE NECESSITY FOR ANOTHER COMING OUT….
This understanding doesn't make sense. I was raised SDA and will always be one but eventually we will all have to leave the physical denomination. Literally it's a 501c3 governmentally connected organization. Which means when Sunday law comes, the corporate part is going to apostasy or fall apart. You will literally not be able to publicly worship on Sabbath in the physical denomination buildings coming soon! Yet so many say "stay on the ship" and take a quote out of context. Friends, the ship is not the current corporation. It is Christ we must cling to and an individual relationship with Him. We are not saved as a group we are saved individually. The Church is God's people.
Don't rush the brush, let God do his work. The problem is people jumping, moving & trying to play God. That time will come allow God to show us when this time is not man.
I think we all know that... the fact is that in most of our countries we still can worship free-lance. We should STOP watching on other, we all have sin. We don't know who will be save or not. The real issue is not GC or conferences but men. Everywhere men are, problem can occurred ! We should start to pray and studio the bible more seriously together.
"The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out-the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths." (Selected Messages, Book 2, p. 380)This passage underscores the belief that while the church may face significant trials, it will be preserved by God through purification, ensuring that only the faithful remain. The phrase "without guile in their mouths" means being completely honest and sincere, without any deceit, dishonesty, or hidden motives. In the context of Ellen G. White's writing, it refers to those who are true to God, living with integrity and truthfulness, both in their words and actions. These individuals are genuine in their faith and their commitment to God, free from hypocrisy or pretense
Well, the issue is, whether you are with the 501c or not, the SDA church was founded on lies. For instance, all SDAs in leadership know the SDA church lied about using a Karaite calendar. There is no way in the world that is a karaite calendar. No karaite is that ignorant as to have Passover yearly in May, or not starting the month on the crescent moon, or starting the new year on the second moon after the vernal equinox, or adding a leap month in a period of 354 days. Then they overlook all the Hebrew grammar in Daniel 8, and insist on claiming the KJV1611 is perfect. They have to build arguments based on a faulty translation.
"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. “Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." {UL 315.5}
@Chukwumeremeze Why haven't you posted or presented any of Ellen G White's numerous writings on the inspiration she received from the Holy Spirit to organize the SDA Church as God's church. Have you read Ellen White's Life Sketches to know what she and her husband James White and other SDA church pioneers experienced to organized God's remnant church? I encourage you to read it. It wasn't a piece of cake. This is putting it mildly. Explain to me Revelation 12:17. Does the verse stand by itself, or does it line up with other scriptures as in Isaiah 28:13 in order to get the correct interpretation and the truth therein?
@@PetronaWillicks One quote of E.G. White cannot be used to invalidate another quote of E.G. White. Just like the ancient Church, they were once God's true Church until they rejected Jesus Christ and finally killed Stephen that seal their fate. There was a time when SDA Church was pure and synonymous to God's true Church but today, continuous association with Babylon has made the SDA Church distance itself form the appellation "God's true Church". Have you heard the latest from Dr. Diop? He basically said a leopard can now change its spots - see Jer. 13:23
Thank you for your video, it was super thought provoking. I thought it was so interesting how you tied forgiving 70 x 7 times with the 490 years....brilliant insight. Many other points you made are new to me. I also appreciated the spirit in which you delivered your message. May we all receive the Love of the Truth and be found among the wheat on that great day!
I can't wait for that great day second coming of JESUS CHRIST 🙏 let us focus on sharing with are loved ones first relatives friends neighbors co workers it's so close 🙏🙏🙏
I listened to this message with almost tears in my eyes. I had experience the same thing of being led by someone else’s spirit. Now separated from that it hurts me to hear the separation among us as the people of God. Why we can just have our Lord Jesus as our source and believe HE will take care of everything? If we have something against our brethren because of their sins, they did it to Jesus, so let’s with fear in our hearts come to the throne of mercy and intercede for our brethren. We are not without sin and we must remember the mercy of God in our lives also goes towards other people. Let’s be a united front! The Angels don’t complain about us to the Father. Let us hold fast the banner of faith because we are justified freely by His grace. If we see wrong let that be an opportunity for prayer. Let’ us love our brothers and sisters. How is it, the time is almost over, and we are struggling to practice heaven like behavior here ? An enemy has done this. But it is time to remember we are made in God’s image and our battle won’t be won with words but with the character of Jesus who beautifully tell us, only by love, love is awakened.
The General Conference owes the membership AN APOLOGY for the harm they have caused. I don't think people should separate. However, those who did wrong should apologize and turn from those errors. God bless you Pastor. If they don't apologize they should resign
I agree that those who wrong others should right their wrongs. But as followers of Christ, we shouldn't be waiting for apologies. We should rather pray for those who persecute us (Matthew 5:44).
The church the faithful chosen will remain ,not in a church building or a conference,the church are the people who follow Christ wherever He goes,keep your eyes on Him ,They have a relationship with Him
Just to add something, if I may. The church is the people. Additionally the SDA church body existed before there was an organized body. I see alot of comments saying 'dont leave the church' i agree but what you do consider 'the church' to be. Another point. The tares and the wheat should grow together but where? If you are being fed meat in due season in a specific sda church then stay there but if not and you need to find an independent SDA church (john the baptist like ministry) then do so. You will have wheat and tares in both churches, the difference is what are the people being fed. Meat in due season must be given where ever you are so that the wheat remains wheat and the tares have the opportunity to become wheat. We follow Christ not man. So if its on the mountain side we meet and Christ is there then so be it. Use the Jewish nation as an example, God chosen people, there was an establish church in that time, however there was john the baptist ministry, Christ ministry. And even after that, Paul and the other apostles establish churches. For what reason so that the new conversts can be watered with truth. Finally I agree with you views on some aspects. I believe there are faithful people being cancelled by some of the conferences and they step on independent lines just to have the freedom to share God's truth undiluted but on the other hand satan have many that have malicious purposes. Like Barabas he was a false Messianic figure but that did not stop Christ from speaking the truth and being seen as independent from the then known ecclesiastical church. Study for yourself i would say that you may not be deceived. Let us all pray for unity in the church of God.
“In the representations the Lord has given me, I HAVE SEEN THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEIR OWN DESIRES, MISREPRESENTING THE TRUTH, OPPRESSING THEIR BRETHREN, and PLACING DIFFICULTIES BEFORE THEM. Characters are now being developed, and men are taking sides, some on the side of the Lord Jesus Christ, some on the side of SATAN and HIS ANGELS. The Lord calls for all who will be true and obedient to His law to COME OUT of and AWAY FROM ALL CONNECTION WITH THOSE WHO PLACED THEMSELVES ON THE SIDE OF THE ENEMY." -Letter 256, August 1, 1906
I have been ill treated in the church on a number of occasions, and I thought about leaving. But I realised that what Satan wants, and also that the church is the apple of Gods eye. Stay the course beloved. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@LoveFreedomSpeakTruth The church is “spiritual” Israel. Literal Israel is no longer Gods chosen people, but individual Israelis can choose to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.
I'm happy that you are able to endure the ill treatment I attended 3 different churches in 5 years and decided that I did not belong there I was welcomed there but not wanted so I now worship and study outside of the church Walls with a group of people who believe in the Word of God and the spirit of prophecy
@@blessedhope2031 Our God is a covenant keeping God. Israel remains His chosen people, in spite of themselves. Always has been and will always be this way. They are the olive tree and the church is the grafted in branch. Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel. He will return and reign from Jerusalem. Hundreds of thousands of Messianic Jews around the world and in Israel worship Yeshua. As foretold, He brought them back into the land in 1948. A prophecy fulfilled when a nation was born in one day. Replacement theology has no place in His kingdom. It’s a lie from the depths of hell. We are told to study to show ourselves approved unto the Lord. Be certain you study every single book contained in His Holy Book. Time is short. Shalom.
This is truly directed by God. I had a certain video sent to me that made me stop at work and pray to know the truth. These answers were the same as what the Lord revealed to me! Praise the Lord!
At 3:40 am this morning. I prayed and asked God to give me an answer. Your video came on, and he answered my prayer. I am now listening. Praise be to God.
@@FraeDen Yes. He gave his brief testimony about tithes, and will discuss in later videos. I was having an internal battle (aka the enemy inserting thoughts in my mind), regarding tithes. Returning my tithes was not in question. However, I needed guidance from Christ as to who should I return my tithes? Where is the storehouse? The story that kept coming to mind was the poor widow with the two mites (Mark 12:41-44). Why did Jesus not tell her to take her money elsewhere? The money was going into the treasury, controlled by the leaders of the church. Instead, he used her as an example to the disciples with multiple lessons, but never spoke against her giving her offerings to the treasury. Likewise, he drove out the leaders out of the temple when they “sold and bought in the temple” (Mark 11:15), but never told the people to take their money (offerings) elsewhere. Lastly, This morning, since is a part of the sabbath school lesson. I read Desire of Ages, page 615.”…Many would have advised her to keep her pittance for her own use; given into the hands of the well-fed priests, it would be lost sight of among the many costly gifts brought to the treasury. But Jesus understood her motive. She believed the service of the temple to be of God’s appointment and anxious to do her utmost to sustain it”
Ok, watched, I have a long list of errors in the video, here they are: 1. Moses, was a leader along with God, the apostasy wasn't allowed to continue but was punished immediately. In order for this to be a good example Moses would have to be laity and the apostasy would have continued in which case Moses would be silenced and put out just as it is today. 2. Time prophecy, faithful people were leaving the fellowship of the synagogue before the time was up because the time was connected to a nation not the synagogues. Jesus and the baptist were forced out. The new Christian church was completely ignorant of Daniel 9 time prophecy and it was God's vision to Peter that notified him of going to the gentiles but this also didn't mean preaching to Jews ended for Paul was to the gentiles and Peter to the Jews. So the vision of Peter didn't make them know the nation had lost probation. Papacy time. The 1260 years is not the time God gave her to repent, it was the time he gave her to have dominion. People were leaving Catholicism as far back as 200 AD not just the reformation. Christian churches were being established outside of the main church through the entire middle ages, the Arians, Waldenses, and others. In his first example the 490 ended in 34 AD but the church was established before that because the house was desolate. In the Catholic example, the 1260 wasn't even done either so neither of these times were saying the people should stay in her. 3. No 8th church... Coming out of SDA doesn't creste an 8th church... This one is just imagination and the worst point. 4. Staying in desolate churches will kill you because there is no life to feed off and we shouldn't go where we will be cancelled or forced to listen to error. The tithe is for the work not an apostate work. We are charged with sin corporately in cases like this unless you cry and sigh but they will put you out for it. People are disfellowshipped and fired but are called by God to preach so they have to leave and have to be supported. The only argument against this is church infallibility so these people are being shaken out but in reality the entire corporate system was shaken out. 5. The faithful he listed in the Old testament were not able to stay in the synagogue, they were forced out so this was inaccurate as well. 6. Ellen White prophesied the apostasy of the church in the Alpha and Omega which have both been received, which is a sign to those who have wisdom to get out. Immaterial consciousness as the Holy Spirit is the Alpha, and the Omega is the end of the apostasy when the church begins to use the creed as a weapon and establish herself as a infallible papal authority. She is a new organization. She is not the SDA church Ellen speaks of in her quotes. He uses quotes that are contextually for the SDA church before the Alpha, so they don't apply today the conference. They apply to our Father and Son community not the Trinitarian church of today. 7. Wheat and tares. If his point were true in this context it would also apply to the middle ages but it doesn't apply to massive apostasy, it applies to the true church that has tares and wheat not a church that is entirely tared with a few wheat left in it. 8. As usual the name on the building doesn't make you the SDA church. The corporate church is a harlot a sister to Babylon and God is not a respecter of persons. She will be destroyed because she is not the SDA church. She is a new counterfeit organization.
I left the SDA Church...a long time ago, no because of the church, but of my own bad conduct. I want to go back, and I so happy to hear your message. Is encoraging. God bless you!
Thank you for using the word of God supporting your response to a swirling question with many. Let God be God. We need to focus on the work before us spreading the 3 angles message.
Everyone complains about GC, conferences, pastors X, Y, Z but the truth is that we are ALL guilty! It's all too easy for some to accuse people of this and that. Let's just see how many members regularly attend their church's prayer meeting, how many come to church for their Sabbath school lesson, how many pray and read their bible faithfully, participate in evangelism. And too many of those who seem to be faithful Adventists like to be policemen and even persecutors without God's mandate, of their brother whom they believe to be too lukewarm. Too many will admonish others without first praying. Too many unasked-for pardons. If we were busier praying, studying and fulfilling the mission Jesus gave us, we wouldn't have time to criticize and try to kick poeple out from the church.
@@XiaLian Ted Wilson seemed sincere when he first stated that he was going to spread millions of GC books through out the world, and it dawned on one day as I resisted criticizing Him for not keeping his promises that his family's life and his life was threatened and I felt pity for him in prayer 🙏 Just a couple weeks ago I was listening to daved gates and he stated that yes Ted Wilson life was threatened and at this point I believe that we should all put our selves in his shoes and ask ourselves would we be like Peter and Fall into betrayal , we do not know our own hearts until we are persecuted and threaten , let us not criticize , let us pray 🙏 instead Amen
Thank you for your ministry and praise God! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 In the past decade there has been a dizzying array of SDA spin-offs. Some over EGW, some over The Trinity, and some over diet and modesty reform etc... The trend I see in all of them is a deep negativity or even anger. It became a turn-off over one RUclipsr in particular so I quit watching him. Your Biblical study is what our Church needs in this shaking time. Many will fall away. When the end times really get hot, undoubtedly, whole conferences will leave. Our job is to hold on to what God has given the SDA Church come what may. The hardest time for Noah and his family was when they were in the ark. The animals were inside, and the door was shut. It took a week before it started to rain. They probably could hear people outside mocking them until it started to rain. Keep on doing what the Lord tells you Bruh. I'll pray for you. Keep your eyes on Christ.👊🏾🙏🏾
you have correctly said that "Our job is to hold on to what God has given the SDA Church come what may." Your ONLY PROBLEM is that you still do not know is that WHAT THE CURCH HAS TODAY is not "what God has given the SDA Church". We have stepped off the PLATFORM that was built solidly in THE FIRST FIFTY YEARS of the Church. In fact, we are now "THE NEW ORGANIZATION" that Ellen White prophesied would come to replace the Church of Biblical Truth. See 1SM204.2. Shalom.
God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." [Matthew 18:20.] Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the high and holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides; let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls 4LtMs, Lt 108, 1886, par. 17
I just wrote my siblings a msg telling them how frustrated I am with all the name calling and accusation that is being thrown about on you tube about our church is not Christlike at all. There are those who think they know what we need to do, rejecting that the wheat and tares should grow together. Thank you for being a different voice. Blessings!
What about: The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath, of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice; but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would SWEEP AWAY THE STRUCTURE. {Lt 242, 1903, par. 13} What about: It is the corporate church of today who started a new DENOMInation What about: There were several who united in a company and met mutually to benefit each other. But when the light on the seventh-day Sabbath came to the understanding of some, and they accepted the light and sought to reflect it upon others, then these found oppression and opposition among those even of this company of reformers who had associated together to secure freedom to express their faith. They found there was no liberty for them to speak in regard to the seventh-day Sabbath and there was the necessity for another coming out. {Ms27-1887.} I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out. While we will endeavor to keep the “unity of the Spirit” in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest against bigotry. {Ms30-1889.} What about: They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. John 16:2 What about: These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. Rev 14:4 What about: Come out of her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins and receive not of her plagues. Rev. 18:4 What about: And the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 12:17 What about: Jesuit infiltration What about: “I was shown the necessity of those who believe that we are having the last message of mercy, being separate from those who are daily imbibing new errors. I saw that neither young nor old should attend their meetings; for it is wrong to thus encourage them while they teach error that is a deadly poison to the soul and teach for doctrines the commandments of men. The influence of such gatherings is not good. If God has delivered us from such darkness and error, we should stand fast in the liberty wherewith He has set us free and rejoice in the truth. God is displeased with us when we go to listen to error, without being obliged to go; for unless He sends us to those meetings where error is forced home to the people by the power of the will, He will not keep us. The angels cease their watchful care over us, and we are left to the buffetings of the enemy, to be darkened and weakened by him and the power of his evil angels; and the light around us becomes contaminated with the darkness. (125) I saw that we have no time to throw away in listening to fables. Our minds should not be thus diverted, but should be occupied with the present truth, and seeking wisdom that we may obtain a more thorough knowledge of our position, that with meekness we may be able to give a reason of our hope from the Scriptures. While false doctrines and dangerous errors are pressed upon the mind, it cannot be dwelling upon the truth which is to fit and prepare the house of Israel to stand in the day of the Lord.” (Ellen White Early Writings, p 124, 125) What about: “You think, that those who worship before the saint’s feet, (Rev 3:9), will at last be saved. Here I must differ with you; for God shewed me that this class were professed Adventists, who had fallen away, and “crucified to themselves the Son of God afresh”(EGW A Word to the Little Flock, page 12)” What about: “Romanists have persisted in bringing against Protestants the charge of heresy and willful separation from the true church. But these accusations apply rather to themselves. They are the ones who laid down the banner of Christ and departed from “the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Jude 3.” {Ellen White Great Controversy page 51}
While all this confusion is happening.. God is purifying a few. There are some who hear His voice and follow on to do His will. While everyone else argues about this and that, hidden from their view God diligently works to sanctify and establish His image upon the children who dared to be separate from the love of the world and who desired to know Him who would give His own Son to die for us. These few will be grounded in the light of scripture and filled with the light of heaven by the Spirit. These few are members of a high order and select group who will bare the name of their Father upon characters forever.
You can't argue with the truth. Those are some of the best messages from Spirit of Prophecy and the Bible. They are easy to understand and trustworthy. SDA in our family started six generations ago. Since the Paradise Camp Fire, I haven't gone to church much. Then came the pandemic. Right before the pandemic, I started hearing things about the last days, mark of the beast, and then apostacy in our church. A family friend of mine in Arkansas told me more. But I still didn't understand and had nowhere to find the information. Since the fire, I relied on 3ABN. My friend pointed me back to EGWhite and the pioneers. That has been my only comfort and security. It is heartbreaking to learn that your church with the truth is in apostacy. I still don't understand how or why. I am of the lesser learned, and I can still see the truth. EGWhite prophesied it and said the Holy Spirit left our church way back then. I still don't know what to listen to to find the truth. But I need more. All I can get.
Do I recall correctly, the same scattering of faithful Jews happened when there was poor leadership from the Kings of Israel. (The faithful would cease attending temple services and returning tithes. When the next king would stop idol woship and do things right then the faithful would return. Didnt mean faithful Jews stopped existing, they just couldnt participate with offending God.) A faithful leadership will result in a united body. Even if you dont see physical unity, there is always unity in Christ.
Thank you for your comments, The situation with the church is very complicated due to the relationship that the Conference church has with the government. There will be a church triumphant but it probably will not be the church that we see now. There will be church that will serve the Lord though their lives are at stake. Let us each pray for the church which is not the conference, but the people
Well said Brother Anderson👏👏👏 Just as the wheat and tares grow together until the harvest, true believers and those who are unfaithful will be present in the church until the Second Coming of Jesus. At that time, GOD will separate the righteous from the wicked, highlighting the importance of faithfulness and vigilance🙏
You think the gathering is at the appearing of Jesus?? You think after the close of probation we all won't be able to tell who the wheat are different from the tares?? God is gathering His wheat together right now and those who play with the gospel will miss the bus!
I can't believe your comment got 30 thumbs up! 😱 Dear friend, please find someone who can explain topics like the close of probation, and the latter rain to you! Only those who have clean vessels will be filled with the full outpouring of the Holy Spirit! If we're not prepared for that as SDAs, we will NOT be part of the 144,000 who go on to give The Loud Cry to the rest of the world so that THEY can decide who to follow. WE already had to decide that PRIOR TO the outpouring of the Latter Rain! Anyone who didn't prepare for that will be LOST! Study the chapter on the parable of the 10 Virgins in the Book Christ's Object Lessons until you SEE it! The reality is that probation closes for the professed "remnant" of God BEFORE it closes for the rest of the world!
These are not wheat and tare. Tares you can't tell them apart from the wheat until they fully grow. These people and leaders are are not tares because they are blatantly outright disobeying God. You can see them they are apostates not tares and God will remove them by fire. If you stay with these tares they will trap you subtly with their false doctrines and you will be caught up with their lies.
You likened the general conference or Ted Wilson to Moses? Is Ted Wilson's character similar to that of Moses? Would Moses collect funds to distribute the great controversy but instead distributed a castrated version? Did Moses teach polluted doctrines? What good is a remnant church without remnant doctrines? Is the present general conference seventh day Adventist? The remnant doctrines were given to the SDA religion but it is not owned nor does it belong to the religion or the general conference. The remnant doctrines belongs to God.We are saved individually.
He didn't liken Ted Wilson to Moses, he compared the present truther who's fed up with apostasy to God's reaction to Israel's apostasy. And Moses spoke the same way the Holy Spirit would speak to the heart of that present truther today, revealing how the character of God would handle that situation of apostasy. The whole story of Israel in the wilderness is a type that is a foreshadowing of what will be with the last day church who is its antitype. "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples (types): and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come (antitype)." 1 Corinthians 10:11
@martinfrancis3196 I also did not like the comparison to Moses, although I don't think he specifically compared Ted Wilson to Moses, Elder Andersom did compare our collective mindset as Adventists to Moses, I suppose. I am really not clear on how the Moses analogy was appropriate in our current situation as Adventists. I have a lot of respect for Elder Anderson but I too feel he misses the mark on this presentation. Holding our church leaders to account is not an attempt to separate the wheat from the tares. It is simply holding those leaders to account for the error they have promoted. We need to pray earnestly that the Holy Spirit will help them to repent, or that God will move them out of those leadership positions. What they are doing is detrimental to the body of Christ They are WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING leading the flock astray
@@melissas.5814 my questions were in a specific sequence for a reason, but let me ask you, was Moses in apostasy or the chicken of Israel? In the case of the s SDA denomination is not the general conference/Ted Wilson in apostasy? See the difference?
Amen. We must stand fast in the faith. God will sort things out. The tares will be separated, the shaking will happen. But God is long-suffering and we should be too.
Thank you for this message Brother! I am blessed by it. I actually do believe we are at the end of God's appointment time and patience on this earth. You mentioned at 16:35 - 16:40 that you believe God will give the Adventist Church more than about 160 years. God has given humanity about 6,000 years. Considering everything happening right before our eyes, and in perspective of prophecies given, we are the very end of time on this earth. Time is no more. May God continue to bless you and your family, as you share such powerful messages with us all. 🙏🏽
You are on target. I am greatful that there is somebody who understands the true nature of God"s church in a biblical context. This will be difficult for many to understand and accept, but this is so correct.
Brother, I appreciate your view. Tell me, what do you tell those Adventists who the church kicked out because they were unwilling to discuss differing doctrines? Those kicked out still believe in the original doctrines of the SDA church, but the corporation has changed and no longer allows dissenters (those that do not tow the line of the ‘Official 28 Fundamental Beliefs’). You say don’t leave if you have a different understanding of doctrine (clearly defined in Group 1 or Group 2). Do you have a message for the church in how they treat members who don’t confess the 28 as the corporation stipulates? Blessings to you.
I hear people speak a lot about the SDA organisation as being a remnant church and I wonder what is wrong with our theology. How is it that SDA Church claims to be both Laodecia and Remnant at the same time? Is that possible for two opposite characters to exist in one character at the same time? The SDA organised church was never the remnant church. It was organised well into the Laodicean period. There is no organised church which keeps God's commandments nor has ever done so. Do you even think about the sheer audacity of identifying ourselves as a group of people who keep all of God's commandments simply because we speak about them in church (and mostly the Sabbath) and write about them in our literature? That despite the obvious faults, sins and even evil that takes place among us so much? Can you imagine how pharisaical that audacity is? I am shocked when some think that they can reform the organisation. It is not the organisation that is to be reformed, it never needs reform neither can it be reformed. Believers are reformed individually not corporately!
The remnant symbolizes the number, Leodecia is the spiritual condition. God is the source we are a channel and depending upon who we serve, that is what comes out of us. Out of abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh
@@ruthlebron1222 It is things like this that plain thinking people will continue to find as reason to question the church and its doctrines. The Bible clearly presencts the remnant as a pure spiritual condition not just a number. And that remnant condition is irreconcilably opposite to the Laodicean condition.
@@Steve-lb8wq “The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state…” {RH August 19, 1890, par. 10} "The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst." -A New Life [Revival and Beyond]1:99 (1898). {LDE 49.1} I am still looking for the evidence that foolish virgins ever repented to become wise ones. So when people try to reform the SDA church I wonder whether that has ever been prophesied to happen. And those whose say the SDA establishment is the remnant, was it ever prophesied so that the foolish virgins would became the wise. "...Are we hoping to see the whole church revived? That time will never come.” {1SM 122.1} It is like trying to reform Israel as an institution at the time of Christ. Israel as an institution was never reformed and could not be reformed. For men like Nicodemus and Paul and all those Israelites who became Christ's followers, the change was personal not institutional. It is the truth which saves, not the institution. If Laodicea is a state of an institution without God in it, a bunch of foolish virgins, who never change, why then do people expect the truth to be preached by an entity that is without God? How can the truth be realised without the Spirit of Truth? The Spirit of Truth is the ship that will anchor at the habour. Without it, the institution is described as "Your house has been left unto you desolate". You can clearly see that it is inevitable that the insitution will be a perscutor, if not already. Bottomline: Stand in the identity of Christ alone, not in the identity of an institution.
@@Steve-lb8wq Opposites can never exist in each other. Christ has no fellowship with Beelzebub. The remnant are only know by God, they are made up of people not found in any one organisation.
This is greatly inspiring, my brother! God bless you in your ministry & in your defence of present truth. Imagine, in the story of a storm at the sea recoded in Luke 8: 22- 25 when the boat the disciples were in with Jesus was almost capsizing & the disciples attempted to jump off, what would have happened to them? For sure they would have jumped to their death. Why? Because they would have left their only refuge, help & hope in the boat. Dare not,brethren, to separate or jump off for it will be at the peril of your soul. The stench of sin in the boat may be nauseating, just stay in. The boat we are in, the Remnant, will one day anchor - yes, we shall reach the blessed harbour as long as our eyes are constantly fixed on Jesus Christ, & our filthy robs washed in His precious blood, Amen!
What we are seeing is the shaking - the time of Gideon when the Lord called men to go to war with Gideon and the Lord shook out those who are NOT serious about going to battle and the Lord tested the professed warriors based on their own selfish needs. The warriors went home when they were called out. There was originally over 25,000 professed warriors and when they were called out based on their selfishness and only about 300 were left in the group that was truly serious about going to war. Gideon went to war with a tiny team of warriors and won the battle. We are going thru the same process. Pray we are true warriors because the battle is hot and only those strong in their understanding of the Holy Scripture will they be able to withstand the battle ahead. PRAY!
@@Peaches-cm9yyYou don’t seem to understand the shaking either. “I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this is what will cause a shaking among God's people. I saw that the testimony of the True Witness has not been half heeded. The solemn testimony upon which the destiny of the church hangs has been lightly esteemed, if not entirely disregarded. This testimony must work deep repentance; all who truly receive it will obey it and be purified.” Early Writings page 65 It is the insubordination of the Laodicea. Church who lacks discernment and is blind, who is self righteous and so is naked without His robe of Righteousness, who is spiritually bankrupt but thinks is rich, who is a total wretch. If we heed Jesus counsel in Revelation we won’t be shaken out.
There is but one church in the world who are at the present time standing in the breach and making up the hedge, building up the old waste places.... Let all be careful not to make an outcry against the only people who are fulfilling the description given of the remnant people, who keep the commandments of God and have faith in Jesus.... God has a distinct people, a church on earth, second to none, but superior to all in their facilities to teach the truth, to vindicate the law of God.... My brother, if you are teaching that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, you are wrong.-Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 50, 58, 59 (1893).. LDE 43.2-LDE 43.3
Adventists need to consider the Laodicean church as being all SDA independent movements and/or churches, and NOT only to mean the GCSDA denomination. Sister White promoted people who carried on God's work in different places, following their conscience, and even collecting tithes from friends. They did not need to seek the permission of the conference. When Sister White defines what the Church is, she doesn't limit it to GC control. Concerning other believers who didn't follow the disciples, Jesus said ", Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us". Therefore we understand, perhaps more clearly - ""...the Church may appear as about to fall, it does not fall, it remains while the sinners in Zion are being sifted out.."". Remember also her counsel concerning the downward steps of the Omega - while it develops: ""... Nothing will be able to stand in the way of the New movement..." Can the Three Angels' Messages be preached properly, particularly by the GC, while this evil Omega is developing??
You know, if you understand that the true church is the body of Christ, not a denomination with the desires of men, you will go in the right direction. It isn't just the Adventist Church. It is all churches that don't simply speak the truth that Jesus taught. Otherwise, you are simply making excuses for your denomination instead of seeking the truth of God that Jesus taught. When you compare the teachings of your church to the teachings of Jesus, you will be able to see what the truth is and what the lies of men are. Jesus called these human rules and traditions. God told Isaiah that they were human rules and that men's hearts were far from God. This has been the case with human beings since the beginning. This is the difference between religion and spirituality. Religion is of men. It is men's misconceptions and desires. Spirituality is knowing God and so knowing the truth of God.
@@DiNY-u9k In my personal experience I learned that it's not that the churches are not teaching truth but it's that there not teaching the truth we need to know at this time in history The sanctuary message Righteousness by faith The investigative judgement
@@Steve-lb8wq Think about it. Are the churches teaching what Jesus taught and commanded? If they all were, there would not be denominations. Everyone would be on the same page teaching exactly the same thing. There would not be denominations with differing viewpoints. There would only be meeting places for Christians to commune together. Think about the difference between Catholic and Protestant. Think about Roman Catholic versus Orthodox. Think about the different Protestant denominations which teach completely different viewpoints. There are those who teach the love of God to those who only teach the judgement and anger of God. They are all different because they choose their own viewpoints instead of the truth that Jesus taught. Jesus taught that there were human rules and traditions that went against God. Isaiah received the same thing from God. Jesus spoke against food prohibitions, offerings and sacrifices, ritual cleaning and physical circumcision. He spoke against everything in Leviticus. It was from men, not God. Men wrote the books of the Bible and men decided which books would be canonized. God didn't do that. Jesus even said that the Bible is NOT the inerrant word of God. Don't believe me? John 7:22. I always say that if everyone had followed the teachings of Jesus, we would be living in Utopia instead of being on the verge of extinction. Science states that we are coming into the sixth mass extinction. Yet, man lies because man is greedy. Jesus taught against this. Unless you carefully and completely study the words of Jesus in the four Gospels, you cannot know the truth. You will be taught the lies of men, human rules and traditions. Only Jesus got everything completely right because only Jesus was and is God. Tell me which denomination teaches exactly what Jesus taught and commanded. I don't know of any that understand that Jesus came to explain what was from God and what was not from God but from men. I only know myself because God educated me and led me to understand the truth and see through the lies. God prepared me for this time. You should never lean on men for your understanding. You should only lean on God. This is what discernment is. Jesus, alone, spoke the truth of God.
@@DiNY-u9k I'm sorry to hear that you believe that all of the bible is not the inerrant word of God You referred to john 7:22 as proof ( It reads that Moses was following the Father's (God) instructions) circumcision on the Sabbath day
No lies detected. Thank you for this message brother. I hope people will prayerfully consider your words 🙏🏾 Too many people are trying to jump ship and not understanding how the Lord would have us deal with the situation. We are too quick to call someone a tare and an apostate and not quick at all to fast and pray for our leaders. We don't know if they're a Caiaphas or an Aaron. We "present truthers" need a more humble, loving spirit and less of a judgmental one.
@@sylviamanring9975 yes absolutely right, people don't want to rely on The Holy Spirit to do His work. Not every work belongs to the people, for example, the people should work the soil and plant the seed in people's lives but we are not to drag people into the truth, force their conversion or argue the truth. The Holy Spirit will take over and do the work of conversion.
I have this quote for you fro Ellen G white concerning the present condition of the church. The Church Militant Is Imperfect LDE 61 "The church militant is not the church triumphant, and earth is not heaven. The church is composed of erring, imperfect men and women, who are but learners in the school of Christ, to be trained, disciplined, educated, for this life and for the future, immortal life" .-The Signs of the Times, January 4, 1883. LDE 61 - LDE 61.2
Even though I don't agree with several things happening currently in the church, such as worldly music and improper attire in church, I will not leave this Church. I see all these things as having been predicted by the Spirit of Prophecy.
An inspired message: thank God for leading! It is simply mind blowing how, listening to the same video, people understand so differently. At the same time, it is totally human, because people understand by their own mind and personal relationship [if they have it] with God. God bless! 🙏
I so often see from the comments how often people twist or take out of context, the message being presented. Thank you for this video and your perspective. Pray church! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@Bisekoson The Babylonian church was once the true church. Can you say the truth remains there till date? Perhaps... I won't be surprised but that would be rather unfortunate.
Why did you list Matthew 18:20, in relation to what? Matthew 18:20 says For where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them.” Please explain further. I am wondering why those who believe Seventh Day Adventist should leave the denomination are here in the comment section. Is it to express personal frustrations? Is it to influence those who are against leaving the Seventh Day Adventist church to change their minds and leave?
Like you, I have my challenges with what is ongoing, but I know God is still in control and will sort all the issues out. Whether it's the name or the movement, there is coming a separation. May God help us all to be faithful and be part of His endtime Church.🙏🏿 God bless my brother for your thoughtful and well laid out sentiments.
At the time of writing your video is a month old and I am sitting here in Australia thinking about the SDA church I go to. I left the church for many years as I served for Twenty Two years in the Army. After I left the Army I rejoined the church and the Church I rejoined is nothing like the Church of my Youth it's strange to see what has come into the Church between the time I left to the time I returned. God Bless you and your ministry on RUclips. 🙏🇦🇺🇺🇲🇮🇱❤️🦘🐨
Do we follow the name seventh day Adventist or do we follow the true doctrines of God given to the religion. Your criticism of those who believe in President truth can also be applied to those who believe the seventh day Adventist denomination.
Thank my Bro for this encouragement. Many people are not converted on the present truth that God raised up for such a time like this. Even we will be broken up by persecution it still remains God’s remnant church. God knows his people he will separate when that time comes. Yes the Beast will force many to worship the 1st Beast. Until then we were counseled by the JESUS himself in Matthew 13 Let the Wheat and Tares grow together until the harvest. Many won’t have the patience to accomplish this. Revelation 14:12 We are still the church militant God will make it the church Triumphant. When they pass the test. AMEN 🙏🏽 staying in until JESUS comes. No one can judge who the Tares are. We need to sigh and cry pray 🙏🏽
I am very grateful for this video and it gave me reassurance to "stay in the boat". The points you bring across, you can support by scripture (unlike many of the counter arguments). The spirit that is currently dividing the world is the same spirit that is attempting to divide the church. While the two sides are "fighting for what they believe is right", the church is loosing focus on the One who is right. Keep up the good work brother.
dear brother, the TRUTH inevitably defines a tare...it must happen...people who follow 'the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND HAVE THE FAITH OF JESUS' must proclaim the virtues of such a commitment and inevitably will incur the wrath of lucifer
Thank you for this timely and insightful message. As always, you make so much sense, I believe, because you are led by the Holy Spirit. We are in the shaking. Hold fast to Jesus and to the movement that He started. Don't let Satan divide and conquer. Pray for this remnant movement, pray for our leaders, and pray for each member. Again, I say, PRAY!
Our parents read Bible stories to my siblings and me encouraged us to read Bible stories for ourselves, encouraged us to memorize Bible passages, encouraged us to study the Bible for ourselves, provided Bible study tools like Bibles with marginal reference and concordances, and taught us how to use those tools. Before I was in my teens, I had studied my Bible enough to realize the biblical usages of the word, “church”, were about all the believers in the world or to all the believers in a given location. The church may be organized. I think it should be organized. But organization is a tool of the church. Believers ARE the church. The Lord has called some people to emphasize one or more aspects of the truth about who he is and how he deals with members of Adam’s rebellious race. He has called other people to emphasize one or more other aspects of the truth. People with similar callings often create organizations of people with similar callings. Nothing wrong with that. I have no sense that there is a need for another "adventist church” organization. At the same time, I have a sense (strong since 2008) that a different kind of evangelistic association may be needed - one the goal of which is to encourage people to trust the Lord instead of encouraging people to trust a religious organization or its leaders (past or present). People need to learn to trust the Lord for justification, sanctification, and glorification. There may be other ways we need to learn to trust the Lord but those are the basic three. Success in evangelism needs to be measured in terms of how many people are learning to trust the Lord - not merely how many people make professions of faith in Jesus or how many people join a religious organization. If a person has been accustomed to trying to earn or deserve God’s forgiveness and begins, instead, to speak in terms of trusting Him to forgive us based on His grace, that can be considered evidence of learning to trust the Lord. If a person has been trying to become “good” by the “good” things he does or the bad things he stops doing and begins, instead, to speak in terms of trusting the Lord for transformation, that can be considered evidence of learning to trust the Lord. If a person has been accustomed to trying to “make the world a better place in which to live” or trying to set up the kingdom of God on Earth and if that person begins, instead, to speak in terms of Jesus setting up his kingdom in his own good time and in his good way, that can be considered evidence of learning to trust the Lord. “Leaving the church”? Because of the nature of the church as the believers (regardless of which aspects of truth we may understand or emphasize), the only way to “leave the church” is to decide there isn’t adequate evidence for whatever or whomever you have professed to believe.
after 5 years in the physical church I kept searching for a church that preach the sanctuary message, the investigative judgement, and righteousness by faith message and could not find none of these messages being taught or preached, we are sanctified in the truth, I also pleaded with the people in the church 🙏 to get together after the Sabbath and study together during the next 6 days of the week and my prayer's and requests for these studies were in vain, I believe All of the pillers of faith of the SDA church and the spirit of prophecy, I now worship and study with a group of people who focus on the truths we need today, all the 10 virgins are sleeping but it seems many are in acoma , I can not help anyone in the churches in my area of the country I will continue to pray for them and pray 🙏 for guidance for God's will for me, I am aware that I still have spiritual issues from being sanctified in complete obedience to the truth, perhaps I have been shaken out of the church but I believe that I have not been shaken in mind of the truth 2 thessalonians 2:2
Same here, in the mainstream church there isn’t much happening. Leaders don’t want to retire, they all hold on to their positions and power. Tithe and offerings are used for their lavish lifestyle and macro level travel and meetings… nothing happening in the micro level.
Somehow these types of videos always seem to equate a local, physical church as being Seventh-day Adventist when they don't teach Seventh-day Adventist doctrine, they have the name on the door but don't teach doctrine. Then we are to feel guilty and sinful when we want to actually teach and hear Seventh-day Adventist doctrine. I usually like what he says but this video encourages us to stay in non Adventist churches just because they say "Adventist."
@@judymackie1958 I don't hear him saying we must "stay in non Adventist churches". Because you're right, many of our churches are Adventist in name only, and are hostile to Adventist doctrine. I hear him saying "don't be fooled into thinking God has called you to start or join a new movement". Of that we can be sure because we have the sure word of prophecy declare as much. Some of us have the option of attending a different church. There are 6 within an hour of me. To the faithful who do not have that luxury, who are trapped in non Adventist "Adventist" churches I say: Like Christ, you are a light in a dark place. Shine!
I was kicked out of the sda church while in Sabbath school. We were in the studies of the quarterly labeled "the trinity." When I questioned the day that was teaching that "we need to pray to the Holy Spirit, " I raised my hand and said that the Bible does not teach that. And she said, (Sabbath shool teacher) that was up to my interpretation. Then I recited John 3:16. I was then escorted out of church. I was invited back by an elder, and then his wife turned to me and said, "As long as I sit there and keep quiet." I politely declined their invitation and said," When there is err being tought, I can not keep quit. I had my name removed from the gc because of what they support. The gc is supposed to be working for the church, but sadly, they have become "big government." ruclips.net/user/live1d94iaJTBdk?si=a_gBo9G3oqfEfuLs God bless and Sabbath blessings.
This is a wonderful bible based answer to questions I was thinking about. I have listened to all the present truth preachers and their constant attack against the General confernce, president , and other preachers. Their thesis is always that person should leave the establish church and join them in seperation, and give them the tithe instead beacuse they have the truth. I trace the journey of the Israelites from Egypt to Canaan. They were the most rebellious and stiffnecked people. Not one time did God ask those who stood with Moses and obeyed the voice of the Lord, to separate themselves from the congergation and form their own church. God will deal with apoatates now just as he did back then. Our job is not to judge, but to pray for others and to remain faithful. Yes, the wheat and the tares l must grow together. This is the Word of the Lord.
If I leave the SDA church for another what will I base myself on? On the changes made by the early church? I choose to stay and continue basing myself on what the Bible says.If I leave the SDA church will I get any perfect denomination? No.Everything touched by man is FLAWED.I will stay.The words cult and legalistic don't scare me.But being in a denomination that contradicts the Bible does.I will stay.
“Because thou sayest, *I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing* and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:”
I went to many churches before I became a SDA. I accept without any one forcing me to join after having some vision all led me to the SDA Church. I don't care who try to speak against the SDA let me died there serving the Lord. Itchy ears will lead many away from the truth. Indeed it's the last day.
"No advice or sanction is given in the Word of God to those who believe the third angel's message to lead them to suppose that they can draw apart. This you may settle with yourselves forever. It is the devising of unsanctified minds that would encourage a state of disunion. The sophistry of men may appear right in their own eyes, but it is not truth and righteousness. "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; . . . that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross" (Eph. 2:14-16). 3SM 21
It's the leaders close the churches n say we should stay in our homes n worship on line while other denominations were opened for worship on Sundays. This greatly contributed to persons forming groups. Most sermons now they don't preach about the Beast or the Sunday laws etc. The Shepherds.are the ones scattering the sheep. I'm praying concerned persons like U my brother would talk with the conference leaders about what's going on at their decision making meetings.
Prediction Regarding a Purging of Institutions-The Lord will work to purify His church. I tell you in truth, the Lord is about to turn and overturn in the institutions called by His name. Just how soon this refining process will begin I cannot say, but it will not be long deferred. He whose fan is in His hand will cleanse His temple of its moral defilement. He will thoroughly purge His floor.-Letter 4, 1895. PM 170.2
Aloha from the Island of Maui, Hawaiian Kingdom/SMK! I appreciate your sincerity, my brother; may I recommend that you do a deep dive into an etymological study on these two terms? The "Ecclesia," and the "Church!" Although most English bibles and Christian religious literature conflate these two terms, the research will very likely cause a shaking in your "mind set." Also, we are taught to trust no man. So, when you say "Trust me" at the end of your presentation, it raises a "red flag" that I cannot ignore. There's much more that can be said - concerning the above. If you read this "comment" and would like to get more into it, please, let me know. Your friend and brother in Christ.
Greetings, below you will find some of the work that I've done on this subject of mandates and religious liberty. My prayer as you watch them is that you can come to understand that we can speak up for truth, while being patient and kind. Please keep this counsel from the S.O.P. in mind. "As the dew and the soft showers fall upon withering plants, so let words fall gently when seeking to win people from error. God’s plan for us is first to reach the heart. We are to speak the truth in love, trusting in Him to give it power for reforming the life. The Holy Spirit will apply to the soul the word that is spoken in love."
1. 2021 - No Mark No Service - ruclips.net/video/e9UbJBKakJY/видео.html
2. 2023 - Unspectacular Part 1 | The Adventist Response to COVID-19 | Could we have done more? - ruclips.net/video/oTzICZTDFQg/видео.html
3. 2023 - Unspectacular Part 2 | The Adventist Response to Mandates... Understanding Religious Liberty - ruclips.net/video/wlJF0uhFHrs/видео.html
4. 2021 - Part 1 | Liberty & The Three Angels Message | Understanding God's Character In Light Of Mandates - ruclips.net/video/nZgleDoscAM/видео.html
5. 2021 - Part 2 | Liberty & The Three Angels Message | Understanding God's Wrath In Light Of Mandates - ruclips.net/video/31KE6_f2CP8/видео.html
NOTE: At the 14:25 mark, there is an error on one of the slides. The verse should be Exodus 32 not Revelation 13… Blessings.
Jesus left, Ellen white came out twice, the reformers came out and the word church means to come out.
Matthew
Chapter 20
1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
the early morning is the Jewish nation
the 3rd hour is the early Christians
the 6TH hour is the protestants
the 9TH hour church is the SDA
the 11TH hour will be the Remanent of her seed of the original church of Christ day
not a denomination everyone of the ages of the Church fighting for truth fought in the beginning but fell lukewarm into apostasy and didn't fight further because they felt like they where RICH and in need of NOTHING ,Clothed but where Naked , ,,,follow the word not a denomination Satan can corrupt a denomination
@briankennedy7265 you should turn on comments on your channel. Can't trust some one you can't correct.
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AMEN!
Well, the early church began in homes.
And it will end in homes
So...
My wife and I received the advent message as a result of God answering our prayer for truth. We came from Baptist and Penticostal backgrounds. That was 44 years ago. Much has changed, but God has not, nor has His Word. I'm not going anywhere until Jesus comes in the clouds of glory, or I'm taken out in a box and buried, or they throw me out because of persecution. To God be the glory!
Amen!
Here we stand we will serve no other the truth marches on!! Glory to God.
Amen.
If/when I see things wrong in the church I need to pray to GOD about it.
Judgement belongs to God and I am fully convinced that SDA is the true church of God.
Amen Hallelujah
I’m here by the HAND of God, not man!
Blessings to all who walk n abide in Him🙏🙏
This is unfortunate, so you are saying SDAs should remain in apostasy?
My dear brother, the remnant Church is not named in the Bible, it is described. Any group of people who attains that definition is the remnant church. God's Church will be organized by the Holy Spirit not by man.
Its ironic that a denomination that is so against the teachings of the Roman Catholic is defending their core doctrines : 1 The Church is infallible 2 It was founded directly by God though a chosen person ( Ellen White) 3 The leaders are therefore directly chosen by God and can only be removed by him, so dont you dare expose them. 4 you are saved 50 50 faith and works.
I'm a third generation SDA... And let me say this. For some time now we've all noticed certain things taking place in God's Church and for the most, we've kept silent. But the plandemic made it close to impossible for people to stand by and say, and do nothing. I am one of those that has been cancelled out because of speaking out. I give God's tithes to Evangelism n Education according to SOP.... I've lost faith in some of the leadership of the church because they have blended in with the norms of the world, but let me say this ... The SDA Church is chosen by God.... Has it turned into the remnant church yet.... No. it has not.... This sifting that's taking place puts us on our way..... Don't leave, stay put, let God lead, look to the olive tree and be aware for the signs.....
In due time the faithful will go back to beginning, step by step, door to door, one at the time, small groups.... The G.C. and N.A.D. will not exist, BUT God's Church will.... Blessings....
And they will separate from the mainstream church and home church. That’s the remnant.
@@sabbathsermonthetypistOh, how Satan would rejoice if he could succeed in his efforts to get in among this people and disorganize the work at a time when thorough organization is essential and will be the greatest power to keep out spurious uprisings and to refute claims not endorsed by the Word of God! We want to hold the lines evenly, that there shall be no breaking down of the system of organization and order that has been built up by wise, careful labor. License must not be given to disorderly elements that desire to control the work at this time. LDE 47.1
@@KuenditJunior you have a poor understanding of why the church organised. It wasn’t to boast and say it’s Gods church. Jesus never flaunted his position.
Sister White believed that there would be another church - the church triumphant.
In Christ’s day, the Jewish nation (God’s church) had so fully apostatised, Christ had to bypass the leadership and get the common fishermen to pick up the truth and run with it. He spent three and a half years calling for revival and reformation in the church, and gathering the disciples and getting them ready,- but the leadership rejected Jesus and turned on his followers.
But the “New” church, the Christian church, was not formed until after His resurrection the “new church” was organised with those of the “old church” that had proven faithful! she says that we are repeating that history:
when that “new” church had so fully apostatised that God could no longer use it, God raised up men, members of that “old” church - who called for revival and reformation in the church (Luther, Knox, Huss, Jerome, etc.) But the apostate leaders rejected truth and the Reformers finally were forced out and began the Protestant churches.
Then in the 1840’s, when the Protestant churches had so apostatized - there arose men calling for revival and reformation in the Protestant churches (Millerites/Adventists), who were forced out of their churches by apostate leaders and eventually formed the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
what does Sister White say about this?
“The work of God in the earth presents, from age to age, a striking similarity in every great reformation or religious movement. The principles of God’s dealing with men are ever the same. The important movements of the present have their parallel in those of the past, and the experience of the church in former ages has lessons of great value for our own time.” GC 343
“Again and again I have been shown that the past experiences of God’s people are not to be counted as dead facts. We are not to treat the record of these experiences as we would treat a last year’s almanac. The record is to be kept in mind, for history will repeat itself. PM 175
4T 165: “In these days he (God) has instituted no new plan to preserve the purity of his people.”
Did Sister White foresee the necessity of another coming out of God’s people from the church?
Manuscript 30, June, 1889 (MR #895, p 2-5): for I dare not rely upon the wisdom of my brethren. I see they do not always take God for their counselor, but look in a larger degree to the men that have set before them in the place of God…
“I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. WE HOPED THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE THE NECESSITY FOR ANOTHER COMING OUT….
This understanding doesn't make sense. I was raised SDA and will always be one but eventually we will all have to leave the physical denomination. Literally it's a 501c3 governmentally connected organization. Which means when Sunday law comes, the corporate part is going to apostasy or fall apart. You will literally not be able to publicly worship on Sabbath in the physical denomination buildings coming soon! Yet so many say "stay on the ship" and take a quote out of context. Friends, the ship is not the current corporation. It is Christ we must cling to and an individual relationship with Him. We are not saved as a group we are saved individually.
The Church is God's people.
Don't rush the brush, let God do his work. The problem is people jumping, moving & trying to play God.
That time will come allow God to show us when this time is not man.
I think we all know that... the fact is that in most of our countries we still can worship free-lance. We should STOP watching on other, we all have sin. We don't know who will be save or not. The real issue is not GC or conferences but men. Everywhere men are, problem can occurred ! We should start to pray and studio the bible more seriously together.
I agree with you 101%.
"The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out-the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths."
(Selected Messages, Book 2, p. 380)This passage underscores the belief that while the church may face significant trials, it will be preserved by God through purification, ensuring that only the faithful remain.
The phrase "without guile in their mouths" means being completely honest and sincere, without any deceit, dishonesty, or hidden motives. In the context of Ellen G. White's writing, it refers to those who are true to God, living with integrity and truthfulness, both in their words and actions. These individuals are genuine in their faith and their commitment to God, free from hypocrisy or pretense
Well, the issue is, whether you are with the 501c or not, the SDA church was founded on lies.
For instance, all SDAs in leadership know the SDA church lied about using a Karaite calendar. There is no way in the world that is a karaite calendar. No karaite is that ignorant as to have Passover yearly in May, or not starting the month on the crescent moon, or starting the new year on the second moon after the vernal equinox, or adding a leap month in a period of 354 days.
Then they overlook all the Hebrew grammar in Daniel 8, and insist on claiming the KJV1611 is perfect. They have to build arguments based on a faulty translation.
"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. “Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." {UL 315.5}
@Chukwumeremeze Why haven't you posted or presented any of Ellen G White's numerous writings on the inspiration she received from the Holy Spirit to organize the SDA Church as God's church. Have you read Ellen White's Life Sketches to know what she and her husband James White and other SDA church pioneers experienced to organized God's remnant church? I encourage you to read it. It wasn't a piece of cake. This is putting it mildly. Explain to me Revelation 12:17. Does the verse stand by itself, or does it line up with other scriptures as in Isaiah 28:13 in order to get the correct interpretation and the truth therein?
@@PetronaWillicks One quote of E.G. White cannot be used to invalidate another quote of E.G. White. Just like the ancient Church, they were once God's true Church until they rejected Jesus Christ and finally killed Stephen that seal their fate. There was a time when SDA Church was pure and synonymous to God's true Church but today, continuous association with Babylon has made the SDA Church distance itself form the appellation "God's true Church".
Have you heard the latest from Dr. Diop? He basically said a leopard can now change its spots - see Jer. 13:23
Thank you for your video, it was super thought provoking. I thought it was so interesting how you tied forgiving 70 x 7 times with the 490 years....brilliant insight. Many other points you made are new to me. I also appreciated the spirit in which you delivered your message.
May we all receive the Love of the Truth and be found among the wheat on that great day!
Yes … 70 x 7 and the 490 prophetic time period was very insightful
I can't wait for that great day second coming of JESUS CHRIST 🙏 let us focus on sharing with are loved ones first relatives friends neighbors co workers it's so close 🙏🙏🙏
I listened to this message with almost tears in my eyes. I had experience the same thing of being led by someone else’s spirit. Now separated from that it hurts me to hear the separation among us as the people of God.
Why we can just have our Lord Jesus as our source and believe HE will take care of everything? If we have something against our brethren because of their sins, they did it to Jesus, so let’s with fear in our hearts come to the throne of mercy and intercede for our brethren. We are not without sin and we must remember the mercy of God in our lives also goes towards other people. Let’s be a united front! The Angels don’t complain about us to the Father. Let us hold fast the banner of faith because we are justified freely by His grace. If we see wrong let that be an opportunity for prayer. Let’ us love our brothers and sisters. How is it, the time is almost over, and we are struggling to practice heaven like behavior here ? An enemy has done this. But it is time to remember we are made in God’s image and our battle won’t be won with words but with the character of Jesus who beautifully tell us, only by love, love is awakened.
Amen sister
The General Conference owes the membership AN APOLOGY for the harm they have caused. I don't think people should separate. However, those who did wrong should apologize and turn from those errors. God bless you Pastor. If they don't apologize they should resign
You had to go there😂
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I agree that those who wrong others should right their wrongs. But as followers of Christ, we shouldn't be waiting for apologies. We should rather pray for those who persecute us (Matthew 5:44).
@@ruthbaidoo6330 I am praying for them
Why does GC owe apology?
God bless you for such an insightful and well researched message brother.... here i will stay .... praying for you from Malawi
The church the faithful chosen will remain ,not in a church building or a conference,the church are the people who follow Christ wherever He goes,keep your eyes on Him ,They have a relationship with Him
Just to add something, if I may. The church is the people. Additionally the SDA church body existed before there was an organized body. I see alot of comments saying 'dont leave the church' i agree but what you do consider 'the church' to be.
Another point. The tares and the wheat should grow together but where? If you are being fed meat in due season in a specific sda church then stay there but if not and you need to find an independent SDA church (john the baptist like ministry) then do so. You will have wheat and tares in both churches, the difference is what are the people being fed. Meat in due season must be given where ever you are so that the wheat remains wheat and the tares have the opportunity to become wheat.
We follow Christ not man. So if its on the mountain side we meet and Christ is there then so be it. Use the Jewish nation as an example, God chosen people, there was an establish church in that time, however there was john the baptist ministry, Christ ministry. And even after that, Paul and the other apostles establish churches. For what reason so that the new conversts can be watered with truth.
Finally I agree with you views on some aspects. I believe there are faithful people being cancelled by some of the conferences and they step on independent lines just to have the freedom to share God's truth undiluted but on the other hand satan have many that have malicious purposes. Like Barabas he was a false Messianic figure but that did not stop Christ from speaking the truth and being seen as independent from the then known ecclesiastical church. Study for yourself i would say that you may not be deceived.
Let us all pray for unity in the church of God.
You are absolutely right
“In the representations the Lord has given me, I HAVE SEEN THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEIR OWN DESIRES, MISREPRESENTING THE TRUTH, OPPRESSING THEIR BRETHREN, and PLACING DIFFICULTIES BEFORE THEM.
Characters are now being developed, and men are taking sides, some on the side of the Lord Jesus Christ, some on the side of SATAN and HIS ANGELS. The Lord calls for all who will be true and obedient to His law to COME OUT of and AWAY FROM ALL CONNECTION WITH THOSE WHO PLACED THEMSELVES ON THE SIDE OF THE ENEMY." -Letter 256, August 1, 1906
I have been ill treated in the church on a number of occasions, and I thought about leaving. But I realised that what Satan wants, and also that the church is the apple of Gods eye. Stay the course beloved. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Israel is the apple of God’s eye….His chosen people. Much larger group than the SDA church. 😊
@@LoveFreedomSpeakTruth The church is “spiritual” Israel. Literal Israel is no longer Gods chosen people, but individual Israelis can choose to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.
Yes satan is attacking the church through it's members. Stay focused, stay strong, stay the course. 🙂🙋♀️🙏🦘
I'm happy that you are able to endure the ill treatment
I attended 3 different churches in 5 years and decided that I did not belong there
I was welcomed there but not wanted
so I now worship and study outside of the church Walls with a group of people who believe in the Word of God and the spirit of prophecy
@@blessedhope2031 Our God is a covenant keeping God. Israel remains His chosen people, in spite of themselves. Always has been and will always be this way. They are the olive tree and the church is the grafted in branch. Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel. He will return and reign from Jerusalem. Hundreds of thousands of Messianic Jews around the world and in Israel worship Yeshua. As foretold, He brought them back into the land in 1948. A prophecy fulfilled when a nation was born in one day. Replacement theology has no place in His kingdom. It’s a lie from the depths of hell. We are told to study to show ourselves approved unto the Lord. Be certain you study every single book contained in His Holy Book. Time is short. Shalom.
This is truly directed by God. I had a certain video sent to me that made me stop at work and pray to know the truth. These answers were the same as what the Lord revealed to me! Praise the Lord!
At 3:40 am this morning. I prayed and asked God to give me an answer. Your video came on, and he answered my prayer. I am now listening. Praise be to God.
Praise God
@@Liza-kp6cv Can I ask you what you prayed about and what is the answer?
@@FraeDen Yes. He gave his brief testimony about tithes, and will discuss in later videos. I was having an internal battle (aka the enemy inserting thoughts in my mind), regarding tithes. Returning my tithes was not in question. However, I needed guidance from Christ as to who should I return my tithes? Where is the storehouse? The story that kept coming to mind was the poor widow with the two mites (Mark 12:41-44). Why did Jesus not tell her to take her money elsewhere? The money was going into the treasury, controlled by the leaders of the church. Instead, he used her as an example to the disciples with multiple lessons, but never spoke against her giving her offerings to the treasury. Likewise, he drove out the leaders out of the temple when they “sold and bought in the temple” (Mark 11:15), but never told the people to take their money (offerings) elsewhere. Lastly, This morning, since is a part of the sabbath school lesson. I read Desire of Ages, page 615.”…Many would have advised her to keep her pittance for her own use; given into the hands of the well-fed priests, it would be lost sight of among the many costly gifts brought to the treasury. But Jesus understood her motive. She believed the service of the temple to be of God’s appointment and anxious to do her utmost to sustain it”
@@Liza-kp6cv Thx for sharing
@@Liza-kp6cv same here amen 🙏 God is faithful
What a powerful message! May God continue to bless your ministry. Soldiers of Christ, let's move forward.
I have no where else to go be strong and keep your eyes on the Lamb 🐑 and not what others are trying to do to tare down the church
Ok, watched, I have a long list of errors in the video, here they are:
1. Moses, was a leader along with God, the apostasy wasn't allowed to continue but was punished immediately. In order for this to be a good example Moses would have to be laity and the apostasy would have continued in which case Moses would be silenced and put out just as it is today.
2. Time prophecy, faithful people were leaving the fellowship of the synagogue before the time was up because the time was connected to a nation not the synagogues. Jesus and the baptist were forced out. The new Christian church was completely ignorant of Daniel 9 time prophecy and it was God's vision to Peter that notified him of going to the gentiles but this also didn't mean preaching to Jews ended for Paul was to the gentiles and Peter to the Jews. So the vision of Peter didn't make them know the nation had lost probation. Papacy time. The 1260 years is not the time God gave her to repent, it was the time he gave her to have dominion. People were leaving Catholicism as far back as 200 AD not just the reformation. Christian churches were being established outside of the main church through the entire middle ages, the Arians, Waldenses, and others. In his first example the 490 ended in 34 AD but the church was established before that because the house was desolate. In the Catholic example, the 1260 wasn't even done either so neither of these times were saying the people should stay in her.
3. No 8th church... Coming out of SDA doesn't creste an 8th church... This one is just imagination and the worst point.
4. Staying in desolate churches will kill you because there is no life to feed off and we shouldn't go where we will be cancelled or forced to listen to error. The tithe is for the work not an apostate work. We are charged with sin corporately in cases like this unless you cry and sigh but they will put you out for it. People are disfellowshipped and fired but are called by God to preach so they have to leave and have to be supported. The only argument against this is church infallibility so these people are being shaken out but in reality the entire corporate system was shaken out.
5. The faithful he listed in the Old testament were not able to stay in the synagogue, they were forced out so this was inaccurate as well.
6. Ellen White prophesied the apostasy of the church in the Alpha and Omega which have both been received, which is a sign to those who have wisdom to get out. Immaterial consciousness as the Holy Spirit is the Alpha, and the Omega is the end of the apostasy when the church begins to use the creed as a weapon and establish herself as a infallible papal authority. She is a new organization. She is not the SDA church Ellen speaks of in her quotes. He uses quotes that are contextually for the SDA church before the Alpha, so they don't apply today the conference. They apply to our Father and Son community not the Trinitarian church of today.
7. Wheat and tares. If his point were true in this context it would also apply to the middle ages but it doesn't apply to massive apostasy, it applies to the true church that has tares and wheat not a church that is entirely tared with a few wheat left in it.
8. As usual the name on the building doesn't make you the SDA church. The corporate church is a harlot a sister to Babylon and God is not a respecter of persons. She will be destroyed because she is not the SDA church. She is a new counterfeit organization.
That's very thorough, thank you.
THANK YOU for debunking the great deception!
..the Church is about to fall but it will not fall..this church God gives HIS supreme regards...
I left the SDA Church...a long time ago, no because of the church, but of my own bad conduct. I want to go back, and I so happy to hear your message. Is encoraging. God bless you!
Bless you!
Thank you for using the word of God supporting your response to a swirling question with many. Let God be God. We need to focus on the work before us spreading the 3 angles message.
Indeed I'm enlighten and the Spirit of discernment has really revealed the truth concerning God's patience! Thank you and God bless you!
The Seventh-day Adventism of the 1800s is the true Adventism. Not what the conference has made it be today.
it does not matter who comes to SIFT or SHAKES me Because I know whom I BELIEVED.
Everyone complains about GC, conferences, pastors X, Y, Z but the truth is that we are ALL guilty! It's all too easy for some to accuse people of this and that. Let's just see how many members regularly attend their church's prayer meeting, how many come to church for their Sabbath school lesson, how many pray and read their bible faithfully, participate in evangelism.
And too many of those who seem to be faithful Adventists like to be policemen and even persecutors without God's mandate, of their brother whom they believe to be too lukewarm. Too many will admonish others without first praying. Too many unasked-for pardons.
If we were busier praying, studying and fulfilling the mission Jesus gave us, we wouldn't have time to criticize and try to kick poeple out from the church.
100%
Yep.
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Ted Wilson seemed sincere when he first stated that he was going to spread millions of GC books through out the world, and it dawned on one day as I resisted criticizing Him for not keeping his promises that his family's life and his life was threatened and I felt pity for him in prayer 🙏
Just a couple weeks ago I was listening to daved gates and he stated that yes Ted Wilson life was threatened and at this point I believe that we should all put our selves in his shoes and ask ourselves would we be like Peter and Fall into betrayal , we do not know our own hearts until we are persecuted and threaten , let us not criticize , let us pray 🙏 instead Amen
Thank you for your ministry and praise God! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 In the past decade there has been a dizzying array of SDA spin-offs. Some over EGW, some over The Trinity, and some over diet and modesty reform etc... The trend I see in all of them is a deep negativity or even anger. It became a turn-off over one RUclipsr in particular so I quit watching him. Your Biblical study is what our Church needs in this shaking time. Many will fall away. When the end times really get hot, undoubtedly, whole conferences will leave. Our job is to hold on to what God has given the SDA Church come what may. The hardest time for Noah and his family was when they were in the ark. The animals were inside, and the door was shut. It took a week before it started to rain. They probably could hear people outside mocking them until it started to rain. Keep on doing what the Lord tells you Bruh. I'll pray for you. Keep your eyes on Christ.👊🏾🙏🏾
you have correctly said that "Our job is to hold on to what God has given the SDA Church come what may."
Your ONLY PROBLEM is that you still do not know is that WHAT THE CURCH HAS TODAY is not "what God has given the SDA Church".
We have stepped off the PLATFORM that was built solidly in THE FIRST FIFTY YEARS of the Church.
In fact, we are now "THE NEW ORGANIZATION" that Ellen White prophesied would come to replace the Church of Biblical Truth.
See 1SM204.2.
Shalom.
God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." [Matthew 18:20.] Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the high and holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides; let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls 4LtMs, Lt 108, 1886, par. 17
Praise the exalted eternal God for truth and words that keep us grounded and free in Jesus!
I agree with you 💯 brother. Ppl who bark against this just don't want to understand. I believe the Holy Spirit inspired you to speak this. 🙏🏾
I just wrote my siblings a msg telling them how frustrated I am with all the name calling and accusation that is being thrown about on you tube about our church is not Christlike at all. There are those who think they know what we need to do, rejecting that the wheat and tares should grow together. Thank you for being a different voice. Blessings!
PERFECT!!! I LOVE THIS!! God bless you brother, as you let Him speak through you to His people.
Amen!
Thanks for this very important presentation, my brother. I hope all SDA get the opportunity to view the content in its entirety.
Look unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith!
What about:
The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath, of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice; but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would SWEEP AWAY THE STRUCTURE. {Lt 242, 1903, par. 13}
What about:
It is the corporate church of today who started a new DENOMInation
What about:
There were several who united in a company and met mutually to benefit each other. But when the light on the seventh-day Sabbath came to the understanding of some, and they accepted the light and sought to reflect it upon others, then these found oppression and opposition among those even of this company of reformers who had associated together to secure freedom to express their faith. They found there was no liberty for them to speak in regard to the seventh-day Sabbath and there was the necessity for another coming out. {Ms27-1887.}
I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out. While we will endeavor to keep the “unity of the Spirit” in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest against bigotry. {Ms30-1889.}
What about:
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. John 16:2
What about:
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. Rev 14:4
What about:
Come out of her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins and receive not of her plagues. Rev. 18:4
What about:
And the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 12:17
What about:
Jesuit infiltration
What about:
“I was shown the necessity of those who believe that we are having the last message of mercy, being separate from those who are daily imbibing new errors. I saw that neither young nor old should attend their meetings; for it is wrong to thus encourage them while they teach error that is a deadly poison to the soul and teach for doctrines the commandments of men. The influence of such gatherings is not good. If God has delivered us from such darkness and error, we should stand fast in the liberty wherewith He has set us free and rejoice in the truth. God is displeased with us when we go to listen to error, without being obliged to go; for unless He sends us to those meetings where error is forced home to the people by the power of the will, He will not keep us. The angels cease their watchful care over us, and we are left to the buffetings of the enemy, to be darkened and weakened by him and the power of his evil angels; and the light around us becomes contaminated with the darkness. (125) I saw that we have no time to throw away in listening to fables. Our minds should not be thus diverted, but should be occupied with the present truth, and seeking wisdom that we may obtain a more thorough knowledge of our position, that with meekness we may be able to give a reason of our hope from the Scriptures. While false doctrines and dangerous errors are pressed upon the mind, it cannot be dwelling upon the truth which is to fit and prepare the house of Israel to stand in the day of the Lord.” (Ellen White Early Writings, p 124, 125)
What about:
“You think, that those who worship before the saint’s feet, (Rev 3:9), will at last be saved. Here I must differ with you; for God shewed me that this class were professed Adventists, who had fallen away, and “crucified to themselves the Son of God afresh”(EGW A Word to the Little Flock, page 12)”
What about:
“Romanists have persisted in bringing against Protestants the charge of heresy and willful separation from the true church. But these accusations apply rather to themselves. They are the ones who laid down the banner of Christ and departed from “the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Jude 3.” {Ellen White Great Controversy page 51}
The history of the this church is so important to study. So many don't realize the religion has been changed. Thanks
While all this confusion is happening.. God is purifying a few. There are some who hear His voice and follow on to do His will. While everyone else argues about this and that, hidden from their view God diligently works to sanctify and establish His image upon the children who dared to be separate from the love of the world and who desired to know Him who would give His own Son to die for us. These few will be grounded in the light of scripture and filled with the light of heaven by the Spirit. These few are members of a high order and select group who will bare the name of their Father upon characters forever.
Preach!!!!!!
You can't argue with the truth. Those are some of the best messages from Spirit of Prophecy and the Bible. They are easy to understand and trustworthy.
SDA in our family started six generations ago. Since the Paradise Camp Fire, I haven't gone to church much. Then came the pandemic. Right before the pandemic, I started hearing things about the last days, mark of the beast, and then apostacy in our church. A family friend of mine in Arkansas told me more. But I still didn't understand and had nowhere to find the information. Since the fire, I relied on 3ABN. My friend pointed me back to EGWhite and the pioneers. That has been my only comfort and security. It is heartbreaking to learn that your church with the truth is in apostacy. I still don't understand how or why. I am of the lesser learned, and I can still see the truth. EGWhite prophesied it and said the Holy Spirit left our church way back then. I still don't know what to listen to to find the truth. But I need more. All I can get.
Do I recall correctly, the same scattering of faithful Jews happened when there was poor leadership from the Kings of Israel. (The faithful would cease attending temple services and returning tithes. When the next king would stop idol woship and do things right then the faithful would return. Didnt mean faithful Jews stopped existing, they just couldnt participate with offending God.) A faithful leadership will result in a united body. Even if you dont see physical unity, there is always unity in Christ.
Thank you for your comments, The situation with the church is very complicated due to the relationship that the Conference church has with the government. There will be a church triumphant but it probably will not be the church that we see now. There will be church that will serve the Lord though their lives are at stake. Let us each pray for the church which is not the conference, but the people
Thank you. The people is the church.
You do realize the conference is made up of people right? There are both faithful and unfaithful in both the conferences and the people as well.
Well said Brother Anderson👏👏👏 Just as the wheat and tares grow together until the harvest, true believers and those who are unfaithful will be present in the church until the Second Coming of Jesus. At that time, GOD will separate the righteous from the wicked, highlighting the importance of faithfulness and vigilance🙏
You think the gathering is at the appearing of Jesus??
You think after the close of probation we all won't be able to tell who the wheat are different from the tares??
God is gathering His wheat together right now and those who play with the gospel will miss the bus!
Amen!!!
I can't believe your comment got 30 thumbs up! 😱 Dear friend, please find someone who can explain topics like the close of probation, and the latter rain to you! Only those who have clean vessels will be filled with the full outpouring of the Holy Spirit! If we're not prepared for that as SDAs, we will NOT be part of the 144,000 who go on to give The Loud Cry to the rest of the world so that THEY can decide who to follow. WE already had to decide that PRIOR TO the outpouring of the Latter Rain! Anyone who didn't prepare for that will be LOST! Study the chapter on the parable of the 10 Virgins in the Book Christ's Object Lessons until you SEE it! The reality is that probation closes for the professed "remnant" of God BEFORE it closes for the rest of the world!
These are not wheat and tare. Tares you can't tell them apart from the wheat until they fully grow. These people and leaders are are not tares because they are blatantly outright disobeying God. You can see them they are apostates not tares and God will remove them by fire. If you stay with these tares they will trap you subtly with their false doctrines and you will be caught up with their lies.
You likened the general conference or Ted Wilson to Moses? Is Ted Wilson's character similar to that of Moses? Would Moses collect funds to distribute the great controversy but instead distributed a castrated version? Did Moses teach polluted doctrines? What good is a remnant church without remnant doctrines? Is the present general conference seventh day Adventist? The remnant doctrines were given to the SDA religion but it is not owned nor does it belong to the religion or the general conference. The remnant doctrines belongs to God.We are saved individually.
He didn't liken Ted Wilson to Moses, he compared the present truther who's fed up with apostasy to God's reaction to Israel's apostasy. And Moses spoke the same way the Holy Spirit would speak to the heart of that present truther today, revealing how the character of God would handle that situation of apostasy. The whole story of Israel in the wilderness is a type that is a foreshadowing of what will be with the last day church who is its antitype. "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples (types): and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come (antitype)." 1 Corinthians 10:11
@martinfrancis3196 I also did not like the comparison to Moses, although I don't think he specifically compared Ted Wilson to Moses, Elder Andersom did compare our collective mindset as Adventists to Moses, I suppose. I am really not clear on how the Moses analogy was appropriate in our current situation as Adventists.
I have a lot of respect for Elder Anderson but I too feel he misses the mark on this presentation. Holding our church leaders to account is not an attempt to separate the wheat from the tares. It is simply holding those leaders to account for the error they have promoted. We need to pray earnestly that the Holy Spirit will help them to repent, or that God will move them out of those leadership positions. What they are doing is detrimental to the body of Christ
They are WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING leading the flock astray
Are you taking part in project 2.0? Hundreds of thousands full have already gone out. Around the world it is Millions.
@@melissas.5814 my questions were in a specific sequence for a reason, but let me ask you, was Moses in apostasy or the chicken of Israel? In the case of the s
SDA denomination is not the general conference/Ted Wilson in apostasy? See the difference?
@@janiceeteme5536 his analogy is way off.
Amen. We must stand fast in the faith. God will sort things out. The tares will be separated, the shaking will happen. But God is long-suffering and we should be too.
There's no other truth besides this one -- may the good Lord keep you well..
This is a very good video. Thanks. MAY God Bless your ministry. Very timely and revelevant.
Thank you for this message Brother! I am blessed by it. I actually do believe we are at the end of God's appointment time and patience on this earth. You mentioned at 16:35 - 16:40 that you believe God will give the Adventist Church more than about 160 years. God has given humanity about 6,000 years. Considering everything happening right before our eyes, and in perspective of prophecies given, we are the very end of time on this earth. Time is no more. May God continue to bless you and your family, as you share such powerful messages with us all. 🙏🏽
You are on target. I am greatful that there is somebody who understands the true nature of God"s church in a biblical context. This will be difficult for many to understand and accept, but this is so correct.
Thought provoking presentation. GOD BLESS YOU.
Brother, I appreciate your view. Tell me, what do you tell those Adventists who the church kicked out because they were unwilling to discuss differing doctrines? Those kicked out still believe in the original doctrines of the SDA church, but the corporation has changed and no longer allows dissenters (those that do not tow the line of the ‘Official 28 Fundamental Beliefs’). You say don’t leave if you have a different understanding of doctrine (clearly defined in Group 1 or Group 2). Do you have a message for the church in how they treat members who don’t confess the 28 as the corporation stipulates?
Blessings to you.
They can't own the name, we can use it too
I hear people speak a lot about the SDA organisation as being a remnant church and I wonder what is wrong with our theology. How is it that SDA Church claims to be both Laodecia and Remnant at the same time? Is that possible for two opposite characters to exist in one character at the same time?
The SDA organised church was never the remnant church. It was organised well into the Laodicean period. There is no organised church which keeps God's commandments nor has ever done so. Do you even think about the sheer audacity of identifying ourselves as a group of people who keep all of God's commandments simply because we speak about them in church (and mostly the Sabbath) and write about them in our literature? That despite the obvious faults, sins and even evil that takes place among us so much? Can you imagine how pharisaical that audacity is?
I am shocked when some think that they can reform the organisation. It is not the organisation that is to be reformed, it never needs reform neither can it be reformed.
Believers are reformed individually not corporately!
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There's a remnant in the Laodicea church
The remnant symbolizes the number, Leodecia is the spiritual condition.
God is the source we are a channel and depending upon who we serve, that is what comes out of us. Out of abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh
@@ruthlebron1222 It is things like this that plain thinking people will continue to find as reason to question the church and its doctrines. The Bible clearly presencts the remnant as a pure spiritual condition not just a number. And that remnant condition is irreconcilably opposite to the Laodicean condition.
@@Steve-lb8wq “The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state…” {RH August 19, 1890, par. 10}
"The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst." -A New Life [Revival and Beyond]1:99 (1898). {LDE 49.1}
I am still looking for the evidence that foolish virgins ever repented to become wise ones. So when people try to reform the SDA church I wonder whether that has ever been prophesied to happen.
And those whose say the SDA establishment is the remnant, was it ever prophesied so that the foolish virgins would became the wise.
"...Are we hoping to see the whole church revived? That time will never come.” {1SM 122.1}
It is like trying to reform Israel as an institution at the time of Christ. Israel as an institution was never reformed and could not be reformed. For men like Nicodemus and Paul and all those Israelites who became Christ's followers, the change was personal not institutional.
It is the truth which saves, not the institution. If Laodicea is a state of an institution without God in it, a bunch of foolish virgins, who never change, why then do people expect the truth to be preached by an entity that is without God? How can the truth be realised without the Spirit of Truth? The Spirit of Truth is the ship that will anchor at the habour. Without it, the institution is described as "Your house has been left unto you desolate". You can clearly see that it is inevitable that the insitution will be a perscutor, if not already.
Bottomline: Stand in the identity of Christ alone, not in the identity of an institution.
@@Steve-lb8wq Opposites can never exist in each other. Christ has no fellowship with Beelzebub. The remnant are only know by God, they are made up of people not found in any one organisation.
I just stumbled across your videos and love them.
Great lesson study thanks for keeping the faith
This is greatly inspiring, my brother! God bless you in your ministry & in your defence of present truth.
Imagine, in the story of a storm at the sea recoded in Luke 8: 22- 25 when the boat the disciples were in with Jesus was almost capsizing & the disciples attempted to jump off, what would have happened to them? For sure they would have jumped to their death. Why? Because they would have left their only refuge, help & hope in the boat. Dare not,brethren, to separate or jump off for it will be at the peril of your soul. The stench of sin in the boat may be nauseating, just stay in.
The boat we are in, the Remnant, will one day anchor - yes, we shall reach the blessed harbour as long as our eyes are constantly fixed on Jesus Christ, & our filthy robs washed in His precious blood, Amen!
I agree this is the remnant church. That's why we are going through this shaking.
I would ask those that leave are you saved? Do you still sin ? Are you on a plant based diet?
What we are seeing is the shaking - the time of Gideon when the Lord called men to go to war with Gideon and the Lord shook out those who are NOT serious about going to battle and the Lord tested the professed warriors based on their own selfish needs. The warriors went home when they were called out. There was originally over 25,000 professed warriors and when they were called out based on their selfishness and only about 300 were left in the group that was truly serious about going to war. Gideon went to war with a tiny team of warriors and won the battle. We are going thru the same process. Pray we are true warriors because the battle is hot and only those strong in their understanding of the Holy Scripture will they be able to withstand the battle ahead. PRAY!
The “Shaking’ is not out of physical building (church) but out of what you once believed. Know the difference.
@@Peaches-cm9yyYou don’t seem to understand the shaking either.
“I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this is what will cause a shaking among God's people.
I saw that the testimony of the True Witness has not been half heeded. The solemn testimony upon which the destiny of the church hangs has been lightly esteemed, if not entirely disregarded. This testimony must work deep repentance; all who truly receive it will obey it and be purified.” Early Writings page 65
It is the insubordination of the Laodicea. Church who lacks discernment and is blind, who is self righteous and so is naked without His robe of Righteousness, who is spiritually bankrupt but thinks is rich, who is a total wretch.
If we heed Jesus counsel in Revelation we won’t be shaken out.
Sorry, one last question. What is your definition of "the church"?
A legitimate question, I would be interested in that too...
There is but one church in the world who are at the present time standing in the breach and making up the hedge, building up the old waste places....
Let all be careful not to make an outcry against the only people who are fulfilling the description given of the remnant people, who keep the commandments of God and have faith in Jesus.... God has a distinct people, a church on earth, second to none, but superior to all in their facilities to teach the truth, to vindicate the law of God.... My brother, if you are teaching that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, you are wrong.-Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 50, 58, 59 (1893).. LDE 43.2-LDE 43.3
Adventists need to consider the Laodicean church as being all SDA independent movements and/or churches, and NOT only to mean the GCSDA denomination. Sister White promoted people who carried on God's work in different places, following their conscience, and even collecting tithes from friends. They did not need to seek the permission of the conference. When Sister White defines what the Church is, she doesn't limit it to GC control. Concerning other believers who didn't follow the disciples, Jesus said ", Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us". Therefore we understand, perhaps more clearly - ""...the Church may appear as about to fall, it does not fall, it remains while the sinners in Zion are being sifted out.."". Remember also her counsel concerning the downward steps of the Omega - while it develops: ""... Nothing will be able to stand in the way of the New movement..." Can the Three Angels' Messages be preached properly, particularly by the GC, while this evil Omega is developing??
Thank you so much for your presentation.
You know, if you understand that the true church is the body of Christ, not a denomination with the desires of men, you will go in the right direction. It isn't just the Adventist Church. It is all churches that don't simply speak the truth that Jesus taught.
Otherwise, you are simply making excuses for your denomination instead of seeking the truth of God that Jesus taught.
When you compare the teachings of your church to the teachings of Jesus, you will be able to see what the truth is and what the lies of men are. Jesus called these human rules and traditions. God told Isaiah that they were human rules and that men's hearts were far from God. This has been the case with human beings since the beginning. This is the difference between religion and spirituality. Religion is of men. It is men's misconceptions and desires. Spirituality is knowing God and so knowing the truth of God.
Love your comments so true
You have said it so beautifully. That's why it's important to read the Bible only and know God for yourself.
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In my personal experience I learned that it's not that the churches are not teaching truth but it's that there not teaching the truth we need to know at this time in history
The sanctuary message
Righteousness by faith
The investigative judgement
@@Steve-lb8wq Think about it. Are the churches teaching what Jesus taught and commanded? If they all were, there would not be denominations. Everyone would be on the same page teaching exactly the same thing. There would not be denominations with differing viewpoints. There would only be meeting places for Christians to commune together.
Think about the difference between Catholic and Protestant. Think about Roman Catholic versus Orthodox. Think about the different Protestant denominations which teach completely different viewpoints. There are those who teach the love of God to those who only teach the judgement and anger of God. They are all different because they choose their own viewpoints instead of the truth that Jesus taught.
Jesus taught that there were human rules and traditions that went against God. Isaiah received the same thing from God. Jesus spoke against food prohibitions, offerings and sacrifices, ritual cleaning and physical circumcision. He spoke against everything in Leviticus. It was from men, not God.
Men wrote the books of the Bible and men decided which books would be canonized. God didn't do that. Jesus even said that the Bible is NOT the inerrant word of God. Don't believe me? John 7:22.
I always say that if everyone had followed the teachings of Jesus, we would be living in Utopia instead of being on the verge of extinction. Science states that we are coming into the sixth mass extinction. Yet, man lies because man is greedy. Jesus taught against this. Unless you carefully and completely study the words of Jesus in the four Gospels, you cannot know the truth. You will be taught the lies of men, human rules and traditions. Only Jesus got everything completely right because only Jesus was and is God.
Tell me which denomination teaches exactly what Jesus taught and commanded. I don't know of any that understand that Jesus came to explain what was from God and what was not from God but from men. I only know myself because God educated me and led me to understand the truth and see through the lies. God prepared me for this time.
You should never lean on men for your understanding. You should only lean on God. This is what discernment is. Jesus, alone, spoke the truth of God.
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I'm sorry to hear that you believe that all of the bible is not the inerrant word of God
You referred to john 7:22 as proof
( It reads that Moses was following the Father's (God) instructions) circumcision on the Sabbath day
Thank you for being biblical & SOP accurate, brother 🙏🏻
No lies detected. Thank you for this message brother. I hope people will prayerfully consider your words 🙏🏾 Too many people are trying to jump ship and not understanding how the Lord would have us deal with the situation. We are too quick to call someone a tare and an apostate and not quick at all to fast and pray for our leaders. We don't know if they're a Caiaphas or an Aaron. We "present truthers" need a more humble, loving spirit and less of a judgmental one.
Present the word to them and let the holy spirit do his job to bring them into alienment with truth.
Amen!
@@sylviamanring9975 yes absolutely right, people don't want to rely on The Holy Spirit to do His work.
Not every work belongs to the people, for example, the people should work the soil and plant the seed in people's lives but we are not to drag people into the truth, force their conversion or argue the truth. The Holy Spirit will take over and do the work of conversion.
Thank you for such sound commentary in light of all the misguided opinions.
Thank you for this. Pastor Conrad cause quite a stir and God's Spirit used you to keep us calm.
Thank you for this message
The great shaking , God is making room for his true people.
Amen! Very well said brother.
The church is becoming worldly!!
I have this quote for you fro Ellen G white concerning the present condition of the church.
The Church Militant Is Imperfect
LDE 61 "The church militant is not the church triumphant, and earth is not heaven. The church is composed of erring, imperfect men and women, who are but learners in the school of Christ, to be trained, disciplined, educated, for this life and for the future, immortal life" .-The Signs of the Times, January 4, 1883. LDE 61 - LDE 61.2
Thank you for this video, we have had ongoing discussions on this very topic on our podcast.
Even though I don't agree with several things happening currently in the church, such as worldly music and improper attire in church, I will not leave this Church. I see all these things as having been predicted by the Spirit of Prophecy.
An inspired message: thank God for leading!
It is simply mind blowing how, listening to the same video, people understand so differently.
At the same time, it is totally human, because people understand by their own mind and personal relationship [if they have it] with God.
God bless! 🙏
If the sinners in Zion get shaken out, then if we've already left, where are we?
A most pointed message for the people of God. we are at the banks of the Jordan river, overlooking Canaan.
Individual study is imperative!
I so often see from the comments how often people twist or take out of context, the message being presented. Thank you for this video and your perspective. Pray church! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I will work out my own salvation in the name of Jesus
SDA Church was the remnant.. sadly they have lost it and in the words of C.D. Brooks, "I don't know if I would ever get my Church back".
So is it SDA church or the poeple? Because the truth is always there. But people are the problem. So it is still the remnant church.
@@Bisekoson The Babylonian church was once the true church. Can you say the truth remains there till date? Perhaps... I won't be surprised but that would be rather unfortunate.
Amen brother! This is a sound for sore ears
The General Conference is not The Church , just as The Pharisees were not The Church and Jesus separated from them. Matthew 18:20
Why did you list Matthew 18:20, in relation to what? Matthew 18:20 says For where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them.” Please explain further. I am wondering why those who believe Seventh Day Adventist should leave the denomination are here in the comment section. Is it to express personal frustrations? Is it to influence those who are against leaving the Seventh Day Adventist church to change their minds and leave?
Did you really listen to the presentation?
Thanks brother for the word
Like you, I have my challenges with what is ongoing, but I know God is still in control and will sort all the issues out. Whether it's the name or the movement, there is coming a separation. May God help us all to be faithful and be part of His endtime Church.🙏🏿 God bless my brother for your thoughtful and well laid out sentiments.
Tithe Locally. Worship in Small Groups. Prepare.
At the time of writing your video is a month old and I am sitting here in Australia thinking about the SDA church I go to. I left the church for many years as I served for Twenty Two years in the Army. After I left the Army I rejoined the church and the Church I rejoined is nothing like the Church of my Youth it's strange to see what has come into the Church between the time I left to the time I returned.
God Bless you and your ministry on RUclips.
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Do we follow the name seventh day Adventist or do we follow the true doctrines of God given to the religion. Your criticism of those who believe in President truth can also be applied to those who believe the seventh day Adventist denomination.
Thank my Bro for this encouragement. Many people are not converted on the present truth that God raised up for such a time like this. Even we will be broken up by persecution it still remains God’s remnant church. God knows his people he will separate when that time comes. Yes the Beast will force many to worship the 1st Beast. Until then we were counseled by the JESUS himself in Matthew 13 Let the Wheat and Tares grow together until the harvest. Many won’t have the patience to accomplish this. Revelation 14:12 We are still the church militant God will make it the church Triumphant. When they pass the test. AMEN 🙏🏽 staying in until JESUS comes. No one can judge who the Tares are. We need to sigh and cry pray 🙏🏽
Well said. Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats
I am very grateful for this video and it gave me reassurance to "stay in the boat". The points you bring across, you can support by scripture (unlike many of the counter arguments). The spirit that is currently dividing the world is the same spirit that is attempting to divide the church. While the two sides are "fighting for what they believe is right", the church is loosing focus on the One who is right. Keep up the good work brother.
dear brother, the TRUTH inevitably defines a tare...it must happen...people who follow 'the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND HAVE THE FAITH OF JESUS' must proclaim the virtues of such a commitment and inevitably will incur the wrath of lucifer
Thank you for this timely and insightful message. As always, you make so much sense, I believe, because you are led by the Holy Spirit.
We are in the shaking. Hold fast to Jesus and to the movement that He started. Don't let Satan divide and conquer. Pray for this remnant movement, pray for our leaders, and pray for each member. Again, I say, PRAY!
Our parents read Bible stories to my siblings and me encouraged us to read Bible stories for ourselves, encouraged us to memorize Bible passages, encouraged us to study the Bible for ourselves, provided Bible study tools like Bibles with marginal reference and concordances, and taught us how to use those tools. Before I was in my teens, I had studied my Bible enough to realize the biblical usages of the word, “church”, were about all the believers in the world or to all the believers in a given location. The church may be organized. I think it should be organized. But organization is a tool of the church. Believers ARE the church.
The Lord has called some people to emphasize one or more aspects of the truth about who he is and how he deals with members of Adam’s rebellious race. He has called other people to emphasize one or more other aspects of the truth. People with similar callings often create organizations of people with similar callings. Nothing wrong with that.
I have no sense that there is a need for another "adventist church” organization.
At the same time, I have a sense (strong since 2008) that a different kind of evangelistic association may be needed - one the goal of which is to encourage people to trust the Lord instead of encouraging people to trust a religious organization or its leaders (past or present).
People need to learn to trust the Lord for justification, sanctification, and glorification. There may be other ways we need to learn to trust the Lord but those are the basic three. Success in evangelism needs to be measured in terms of how many people are learning to trust the Lord - not merely how many people make professions of faith in Jesus or how many people join a religious organization.
If a person has been accustomed to trying to earn or deserve God’s forgiveness and begins, instead, to speak in terms of trusting Him to forgive us based on His grace, that can be considered evidence of learning to trust the Lord. If a person has been trying to become “good” by the “good” things he does or the bad things he stops doing and begins, instead, to speak in terms of trusting the Lord for transformation, that can be considered evidence of learning to trust the Lord. If a person has been accustomed to trying to “make the world a better place in which to live” or trying to set up the kingdom of God on Earth and if that person begins, instead, to speak in terms of Jesus setting up his kingdom in his own good time and in his good way, that can be considered evidence of learning to trust the Lord.
“Leaving the church”?
Because of the nature of the church as the believers (regardless of which aspects of truth we may understand or emphasize), the only way to “leave the church” is to decide there isn’t adequate evidence for whatever or whomever you have professed to believe.
after 5 years in the physical church I kept searching for a church that preach the sanctuary message, the investigative judgement, and righteousness by faith message and could not find none of these messages being taught or preached, we are sanctified in the truth, I also pleaded with the people in the church 🙏 to get together after the Sabbath and study together during the next 6 days of the week and my prayer's and requests for these studies were in vain, I believe All of the pillers of faith of the SDA church and the spirit of prophecy,
I now worship and study with a group of people who focus on the truths we need today, all the 10 virgins are sleeping but it seems many are in
acoma , I can not help anyone in the churches in my area of the country
I will continue to pray for them and pray 🙏 for guidance for God's will for me, I am aware that I still have spiritual issues from being sanctified in complete obedience to the truth, perhaps I have been shaken out of the church but I believe that I have not been shaken in mind of the truth
2 thessalonians 2:2
Hang in there mate. Same over here. It’s the pillars that we must study, teach and preach.
Same here, in the mainstream church there isn’t much happening. Leaders don’t want to retire, they all hold on to their positions and power. Tithe and offerings are used for their lavish lifestyle and macro level travel and meetings… nothing happening in the micro level.
@@Ljoy23 Ain’t that the truth. The church has become solely administrative .
Somehow these types of videos always seem to equate a local, physical church as being Seventh-day Adventist when they don't teach Seventh-day Adventist doctrine, they have the name on the door but don't teach doctrine. Then we are to feel guilty and sinful when we want to actually teach and hear Seventh-day Adventist doctrine. I usually like what he says but this video encourages us to stay in non Adventist churches just because they say "Adventist."
@@judymackie1958 I don't hear him saying we must "stay in non Adventist churches". Because you're right, many of our churches are Adventist in name only, and are hostile to Adventist doctrine. I hear him saying "don't be fooled into thinking God has called you to start or join a new movement". Of that we can be sure because we have the sure word of prophecy declare as much. Some of us have the option of attending a different church. There are 6 within an hour of me. To the faithful who do not have that luxury, who are trapped in non Adventist "Adventist" churches I say: Like Christ, you are a light in a dark place. Shine!
I was kicked out of the sda church while in Sabbath school. We were in the studies of the quarterly labeled "the trinity." When I questioned the day that was teaching that "we need to pray to the Holy Spirit, " I raised my hand and said that the Bible does not teach that. And she said, (Sabbath shool teacher) that was up to my interpretation. Then I recited John 3:16. I was then escorted out of church. I was invited back by an elder, and then his wife turned to me and said, "As long as I sit there and keep quiet." I politely declined their invitation and said," When there is err being tought, I can not keep quit.
I had my name removed from the gc because of what they support. The gc is supposed to be working for the church, but sadly, they have become "big government."
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God bless and Sabbath blessings.
This is a wonderful bible based answer to questions I was thinking about. I have listened to all the present truth preachers and their constant attack against the General confernce, president , and other preachers. Their thesis is always that person should leave the establish church and join them in seperation, and give them the tithe instead beacuse they have the truth. I trace the journey of the Israelites from Egypt to Canaan. They were the most rebellious and stiffnecked people. Not one time did God ask those who stood with Moses and obeyed the voice of the Lord, to separate themselves from the congergation and form their own church. God will deal with apoatates now just as he did back then. Our job is not to judge, but to pray for others and to remain faithful. Yes, the wheat and the tares l must grow together. This is the Word of the Lord.
If I leave the SDA church for another what will I base myself on? On the changes made by the early church? I choose to stay and continue basing myself on what the Bible says.If I leave the SDA church will I get any perfect denomination? No.Everything touched by man is FLAWED.I will stay.The words cult and legalistic don't scare me.But being in a denomination that contradicts the Bible does.I will stay.
Amen sis 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I was born SDA ..Hey do you believe in hell after death if the wicked dies ?
@@JaneNtene
If we find a perfect church and decide to join 😄 it will no longer be perfect
“Because thou sayest, *I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing* and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:”
Greed!
You Are So Very True.
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Good message for this time.
“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
- Isaiah 8:20 (KJV)
This devotion is worth a re-cry aloud in our local churches etc.
I went to many churches before I became a SDA. I accept without any one forcing me to join after having some vision all led me to the SDA Church. I don't care who try to speak against the SDA let me died there serving the Lord. Itchy ears will lead many away from the truth.
Indeed it's the last day.
“The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.”
- Proverbs 15:7 (KJV)
"No advice or sanction is given in the Word of God to those who believe the third angel's message to lead them to suppose that they can draw apart. This you may settle with yourselves forever. It is the devising of unsanctified minds that would encourage a state of disunion. The sophistry of men may appear right in their own eyes, but it is not truth and righteousness. "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; . . . that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross" (Eph. 2:14-16). 3SM 21
It's the leaders close the churches n say we should stay in our homes n worship on line while other denominations were opened for worship on Sundays. This greatly contributed to persons forming groups. Most sermons now they don't preach about the Beast or the Sunday laws etc. The Shepherds.are the ones scattering the sheep. I'm praying concerned persons like U my brother would talk with the conference leaders about what's going on at their decision making meetings.
We stay in this church. When world tribulation comes then God will take care of everything.
Prediction Regarding a Purging of Institutions-The Lord will work to purify His church. I tell you in truth, the Lord is about to turn and overturn in the institutions called by His name. Just how soon this refining process will begin I cannot say, but it will not be long deferred. He whose fan is in His hand will cleanse His temple of its moral defilement. He will thoroughly purge His floor.-Letter 4, 1895. PM 170.2
Very good observation. Approximately 1500 years for the OT Church and another 1500 years for the Christian Church.
Aloha from the Island of Maui, Hawaiian Kingdom/SMK!
I appreciate your sincerity, my brother; may I recommend that you do a deep dive into an etymological study on these two terms? The "Ecclesia," and the "Church!" Although most English bibles and Christian religious literature conflate these two terms, the research will very likely cause a shaking in your "mind set." Also, we are taught to trust no man. So, when you say "Trust me" at the end of your presentation, it raises a "red flag" that I cannot ignore. There's much more that can be said - concerning the above. If you read this "comment" and would like to get more into it, please, let me know.
Your friend and brother in Christ.
Thats what the word convert means trust God with all your heart soul and mind ,body.!!!