Evil Awkward be like: “Healing, healing, healing! They go back I don’t go forward! They go forward I don’t go back! I’m not off-angling, I’m not using cover!”
Nah I get the criticism but honestly lw isn't about carrying the team with kills and distractions, it's literally about puppeting your team to play better. If you see highground that would be better for a cass, you petal them up, if you want a rein to shatter the team but can't seem to do it? Pull him to an off angle and do it. A teammate is over-extending? Pull him back. It's like being a dad taking care of your 4 kids lmao.
I'm not too good at aiming and stuff but with LW i can at least keep healing those who can actually carry, it's pretty fun and not nearly as stressful as any other hero except Mercy
Maybe its only me, but LW can apply decent pressure. Its not uncommon for me to go for a 1v1 on high ground. If theres an ash, soldier, or widow on high ground alone, im going in. Im plat support and LW is my go to. Dude is honestly so good overall
My younger brother plays life weaver, I think he’s in masters or high diamond, but he does damage and takes one vs ones, uses petal to escape the fight. The character has really high health and decent damage at close range
I unironically love lifeweaver 💓 a main support with crazy utility and survivability. Games where you constantly save your tank, heal the whole team, kill divers and counter ultimates is peak gameplay. But yeah, compared to most every other support, a good player can get more value on another hero. Wouldn’t recommend it in gm. Obviously you know way more about the game than me and are way better, but it’s kinda crazy to me to be complaining about damage output when playing a passive reactive support hero like mercy. I get you don’t like that design philosophy but there is a place in the game for characters like that. Not in the highest ranks, but there still is.
Also there are a lot of scenarios where you can flank and pull your teammate into an off angle or behind the enemy team, and just generally be a lot more creative with his kit. I like your content a lot but I’m going to keep playing him :-)
I like how he says "it doesn't teach you cooldown uses" but everytime he died to Winston was because he didn't manage his cooldown on his dash/petal lol
What he should have said was “It doesn’t let you spam cooldown uses” He preaches in his videos on other characters to pretty much use your abilities on cooldown. Petal is not one, nor is grip. Therefore he doesn’t mesh well.
It’s sad this comment has so many upvotes. If you play lifeweaver past diamond (literally who would ever do that lmfao) you’ll find out very quickly that you need about three petal platforms per fight to not get dove in the time it takes to make one. A diamond Winston knows how to either force this cooldown or wait it out. At this point in time there was no cooldown management on lifeweaver, every pro player who was maining him to reach GM was hardstuck plat and diamond. Bogur only broke through to GM after the damage buffs. You have to be a metal rank player to either make this comment, or agree with it.
Played lifeweaver on illios and i swear i saved my team from boops around 20 times with the grip. That was peak lifeweaver play for me hearing my teammate cheer from being saved from the infamous hole
My Peak LW (I main him btw) was Countering 3 Orisa Ults by using petal to make her go up (Btw U can also use petal to remove mines , to counter rein shatter while the animation is happening , Move Zaryas Black hole up , Put Petal in the middle of doom ult , U can sorta Move Mauga ult up but there doesn’t seem to be a use for that atm , If Dvas ult is close to u And u have no where either use petal to move up or Petal the dva ult itself for it to be countered) , U can counter most ults with Pull aswell , So I personally think hes a cc hero sorta , Also I love tree especially when U use it to block their easy and shorter spawns so they take longer or the spot they go to for exiting during overtime
He doesn't. He said on stream it's the only hero he isn't confident in. Might make for interesting content though as we could watch the process of learning.
Most players can't interpret a scoreboard intelligently. They see high heal totals on a support like LW, and think they are doing well. They don't realize the high heal totals are because 1 less player doing damage on your team allows the enemy to have a comparatively higher damage output, boosting your team's healing stats. It's meaningless healing that just prolongs an inevitable defeat the majority of the time.
If you heal your dps while they are 1v1 or in a team fight you enable them even more . Supports job is to help the dps win and do their job , not primarily to kill and frag
@@patricklodge1576 if you are healing a DPS in a 1v1, it is a 2v1, not 1v1. Having a support that could heal while simultaneously assisting in damage is even better in this scenario.
@@patricklodge1576okay but why not play Kiri/bap/zen/ana/Moira/brig where you can do both at the same time? Surely that's even better than just healing
@@Bioboy590 In that specific 2v1 scenario, yes, I'd agree a Bap or Illari would give a slight edge, but the big picture isn't so black and white. Lifeweaver is balanced around low damage pressure and high heals and utility. His utility is arguably the strongest of the support category when used properly; Samito just completed an UR2GM on him and agrees he's actually broken, and you're essentially a puppetmaster for the entire battlefield. No other support can deny the enemy's ults as consistently as LW is able to. High DPS supports are valuable in their own right, but when the enemy makes a smart coordinated play with ults, even with consistent damage usually that's where things get really rocky. LW is best equipped of all the supports to stabilize these sorts of scenarios, even with a "heal"/"utility"-focused kit.
Samito has been playing lifeweaver in gm and completely dominating. He heal bots, get's tree ridiculously quick, uses it strategically, and says life grip is a low key VERY impactful ability. He agrees the design is stupid and not all that fun. But he says it has hard carry capability.
Kinda hard to compare him to the average player though. Samito is a guy that knows the ins and outs of this game. Has thousands upon thousands of hours of experience. Has played so many games that he can literally narrate what's about to happen in the team fight in a calm and cohesive manner while in the middle of the fight himself. He is in the top 01% of the playerbase that can do this.
As a lifeweaver main, your performance was poor. And some people who say lifeweaver is trash has never properly played him or seen a really good lifeweaver. If he were to have a lot more damage potential, people would just complain he’s a DPS character like most support heroes. He is amazing with the right team comp of course, especially on escort mode on defense I find him most useful. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t have potential or is automatically a throw pick because the purpose of his kit is to save people and cancel ults. Heal botting is not a bad thing for him. If he were to have faster healing done his team combined with more damage output, he would be unkillable, especially how his ult can already sustain a team fight. And even now people are saying he’s a slippery hero. He would be definitely a lot more broken if he were to do a lot more damage like any other over tuned support.
well every other support is overturned, i don’t see why lifeweaver shouldn’t be able to do damage either especially since his kit doesn’t have any offensive properties. simple fix:make his weapon swap as fluid as moira
Lifeweaver is the epitome of "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink." "You can heal, save and provide high ground for your team, but you can't make them get picks and do damage."
Why do I have so much fun playing as Lifeweaver? It's so weird but I just love his kit. And saving a teammate from certain death is just awesome! Especially when they tell you that they appreciate it. BTW: If they just speed up his projectiles he would be insane.
@@Mulindak gm3 sup here - i also enjoy weaver's kit. is it really bad in ranked in comparison to ana? yeah, but it has its strengths and can carry games - you just need to think about using his kit instead of turning your brain off and just shoot at the enemy
For the first time, i completely disagree with Awkward. With everytning he said about lifeweaver. Other support like ana, zen, moira etc their utility comes from damage. Life weavers utility comes from big heals, decent survivibility, good mobility, and insane life saving potential. Awkward is genuinely playing LW terribly bad here, simply because of his narrow "Damage" mindset. -A T500 across all roles, notably specifically LW
@@destiny_5540 tbh I wouldn't say Mercy only because on Mercy you are damage boosting like 80% of the game Healing is only really done on downtime due to her slow healing Lifeweaver is genuinely just kinda playing by his own fundamentals
"im distracting them" i love this lol, i feel like mercy has a hidden ability to bait enemies into wasting their time looking at her. like in valk, jiggle cover behind the enemy team and see if anyone is dumb enough to 180 and commit to looking at me while my team is aoe boosted shooting at them. Gotta tease them a bit to trick them into looking at me instead of a more vulnerable teammate
It’s insanely easy to bait as mercy because she flys across the map like a jet while soaking up all the damage and completely outhealing it by doing nothing
Great video awkward! You obviously know the game better than me but I do enjoy playing Lifeweaver as he is the only hero that can build an entire forest.
Lifeweaver is a fun hero to play in duo Q or generally in games with a lot of communication. flower can give a free high ground, put characters in places inaccessible to them naturally, pulls allows for quick repositionning/high ground and allows your mate to play extra agressive because they have a free escape plan if it goes wrong, ult is almost a "you can't die anymore" ability.
I don't play shooters much..but i really got into Overwatch cause it reminded me of TF2. Lifeweaver is my favorite hero: To me seeing the "Players Saved" number is more fun/satisfying than seeing a kill counter go up. But thats just me
LW wasnt designed to carry with big consistent dmg like bap, zen or kiri, hes an enabler that can put your dps in strong positions that would be unorthodox, or help them reposition very quickly, 2 completely different playstyles and roles. Its like comparing an Orisa's survivability to a Doom who cant land any abilities lol
Meanwhile, Samito just finished an UR2GM on him this week with crazy stats, and considers Lifeweaver broken. His kit is centered around being a puppetmaster for the entire battlefield, and he is best equipped of all the supports to deny enemy coordinated plays and ults. "Playing fundamentally well" can vary wildly depending on the hero, and a distraction-focused mentality with a character that is best equipped to avoid enemy attention at all costs is *not* playing fundamentally well.
@@Terrasse16better at offense? Maybe (not Mercy, tho). But he’s the best defensive hero to deny plays. Nanoed Genji dashed with an ult? Jump on the petal and yoink your teammate he’s after and watch him running pant down with no reset. To do that on Ana you’ll have to land a skillshot, which is way harder. Kiriko does not guarantee that Genji will not finish you off after suzu invulnerability. He’s also great at denying value for most of the tank’s abilities and ults. Capable of saving booped or stickers teammates (with cass nade, tracer ult or echo stickies) And the list goes on. He’s not great for everything, but he’s very much playable, you just have to adapt the mentality
the only stat you can see that shows you made a diff is "players saved" 10+ players saved your making an impact. really though you must be shutting down enemy ults and pulling people to off angles and there is no stat that shows for that
i would like to add that first season of him i threw on an alt all weaver from masters 1 down to diamond 3. blizzard only buffs on win rates so i did my part to help with the giga buffs he got. still though he needs more dmg to be good though and those thorns aint it.
The reason Awkward isn’t having fun and sometimes carrying with Weaver is that he’s not using his petal optimally: It is the perfect option to save teammates/hard counter Orisa ult, Zarya ult, Rein ult, Mei ult, junk trapped teammates, slept teammates, etc. and it’s super satisfying to use it that way. I agree, you can’t carry with him nearly as often as some of the other supports, but if you use his platform right, he’s much more fun and extremely powerful with his skill expression. Also, using the tree to block a small doorway that the enemy team is coming through when the timer is about to hit zero is divine.
Your pull on the junkrat got interrupted when you broke LOS with his original position. So it dropped him on the last point on his trajectory that you had LOS from - which dropped him behind that wall, into Orisa ult.
Yeah same, he’s great when playing qp with a group of friends and you just wanna turn your brain off a bit and hang out. I’d never play him in comp though, if you are playing seriously he is kinda boring.
Seeing one of the best support players struggle with lifeweaver just goes to show u how amazing dafran is for pulling off unranked to top 500 with him. Only one capable of doing the unranked to top 500 with all heroes.
I find lifeweaver really fun... he might be meh, but he's really good at countering enemy abilities and ultimates with his abilities - which is satisfying. I'll admit the primary fire spam is pretty boring though, thats why you mix in some dps'ing.
"I might have killed our junkrat....I know I killed our junkrat". I appreciate good lifeweavers. Ive been saved and killed by them; they can change your fate in an instant. I've mixed feelings about this character. RIFT had a character who could do this, and they ended up implementing a setting in the options where you could opt in or out of pulls. It was well received.
Honestly, just making it so the Ammo could *Regen* instead of reload when weaving would make him a lot nicer. You could send a few shots, swap back, and theoretically have a fluid toggle to do damage whilst also avoiding the dreadfully stupid reload.
within a month your vids have brought me from low plat to almost gm support (i hope i get it next placement). im happy you do these educational vids, thanks
I’m gonna be totally honest Lifeweaver can definitely carry because he’s buffed like crazy and can do good damage once you get used to it he’s just badly designed and needs a passive charge on healing so it doesn’t consume so much time
I wouldn't say well, that would be ana kiriko brig etc. They enable the divers which is better in the long run. What lw provides to dive is a far cry from what an anti nade alone provides for example. Just because you can pull people out from a fight doesn't mean you are helping especially for dive. There's nothing I hate more than when a lw pulls me because my health is low when I'm perfectly fine as tracer. Then because I got pulled, I lost all the pressure I made just because of someone who thinks they're helping.
Dive heroes need to be pulled the least. They already have the ability to escape. He works best with brawl tanks like JQ and Rein. Petal for high ground and Pull can let them go crazy in the enemy backline with little risk
I feel like the base concept of lifeweaver is good, something that enables and allows new angles for everyone but i feel like he himself is lacking, you cant do anything playing him, you can only let others do stuff. A damage buff may work, or some increased utility on his abilitys, let people choose to get pulled to platform when they want to, or let him do something extra
I've been having a lot of fun on LW. And have been climbing. With Zarya and Orisa being so prominent he pretty much shuts down their ults. And if you can avoid shatters you can save teammates from that too. I've been climbing on Lucio, kiri, and mercy too. I haven't started playing illari yet
There are many ways to play him, either you go support offense and take off angles pulling a dps with you and pocket them. Or you do the offense yourself as usual and take close/mid range machinegun fights in frontline angles while you heal tank, petal out while you call all targets low for team to finish.
In low ranks you can kind of set up your team for success. Low ranks nobody takes off angles or high ground so I used to go up there and pull people to better angles lol.
Low ranks and my fucking teammates are just scared of the petal, like bitch take my petal and take high ground you dumb fucks. I even boost them up and bam they jump off and I’m just like 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
I played 2 games as LW in Diamond, nothing. Couldn't carry. Hated it. Had tons of healing though. 5 games as Brig, all wins. It's stupid. This video was so accurate, like all of your content. Trying to carry with heals is like asking your team to carry and trusting and hoping that they are better at the game then you. The sad truth is your whole team could never die and still lose if you don't have damage. Nothing gets done if you don't make opportunities.
Dude you can’t just mindlessly spam his abilities and expect to win. While I can agree that you have to have a specific scenario for him to shine (defense / enemies have Zarya or Orisa / enemies are too aggressive / the second support is not mercy, etc), it’s not that miserable as you try to make it seem, as the pull and the tree are just so good if used right Shame on you for harassing bronzes btw
i feel that ramatra, i hate when we go double healbot, like okay we have heals but we have no support advantages, it's even worse when enemy goes ana, brig, or junker queen
I find LW good when my team is too aggressive where my pulls can save them a lot. It's also good against enemy ulti where I could just pull teammates to safety. Felt great when I saved my whole team from a rein ulti with LW petal. Got targeted so hard after that. I try to do damage whenever possible, but yea, it's hard when I miss so much. If his shooting projectile speed was a bit faster that would be great.
it seems like you kinda learned how to carry as lw towards the end. his power comes from tons of heals sure, but think of yourself as a master hand in the game. You always talk about damage, but what happens when you CANT do damage similar to mercy? You enable somebody else to do damage, how do you do that with lifeweaver? You can directly put your teamates ANYWHERE regardless of their abilities. Put your soldier on a crazy flank when the fight starts, put your ulting cassidy in the skybox, have a tank who locks roadhog or rein on a high ground focused map? FORCE your reinhardt to dive by putting them in a location the enemy doesnt think they can reach. A rein jumping on you out of nowhere is scarier than a winston. Another form of crazy carrying power he has is the ability to shut down almost any ult in the game creatively. You can platform an ulting orisa away, put a petal under shattered teamates. Save anyone from any dive, tree off a matrix sightline or high noon. Pull your tank out of a solo blizzard. Lifeweaver can do all of this while also having INSANE staying alive protentional himself. He has really high carry potential, most people are just playing him wrong as a healbot when he offers much more than just that.
I'm kind of disappointed that you rarely ever use the platform to create an off-angle. Weaver has a lot of HP and can do damage up close or burn shields on range. ^^ but you need to constantly off-angle, do damage and distract, especially on isolated targets. Nothing changed, come on man.
the paradox of the pull skill is that it just wouldn't be needed if you were playing any other hero. Its just soo bad heal skill , and infinitesimal dmg. The only good thing is tree, but the hero just cant be just his ult.
@@lukegibb1967 it is just made wrong. You just can't have a charge time between "someone need heal" and actually starting healing in the game as fast as Overwatch. A 1,3sec, not less. Its like extremely low reaction time by hero design.
His dash usage could be better, he could use platforms to place him in better positions and he doesn’t sneak in damage with the needler. He’s very green to this hero and it hurts to watch him default to heal botting and calling him boring.
@@fulltimestuntman2.0 he is in fact a good if not the best support on Ana/zen/kiri/etc. but he is terrible at lifeweaver and he chalks it up to being the hero’s fault for the ENTIRE VIDEO. I’m not saying he’s a bad player it’s just that he really needs to learn before he can start calling him boring.
I think the problem with Lifeweaver is the design of the hero makes you FEEL that you have a great impact on the game. Heal a lot, saving people's lives, escaping from danger... "it's all my team's fault!"
Without fail Weaver mains are the smuggest and dumbest people in every lobby I get into. I had one idiot today do the sit emote while we walked back from a team wipe. He thought he was the only blameless one when he was literally spectating lol
But he does have an impact on the game. The amount of times I’ve stopped an Orisa ult, saved my team from shatter, freeze, hanzo ult, rein charge, is uncountable. Freeze and shatter are team wiping ults. And LW can save multiple teammates from them. And he’s the only hero who can save their teammates from the inevitable death of falling or being booped off the map. His damage isn’t terrible for a support either. It’s not bap or Ana but I’ll 1v1 an ash or widow on high ground in a heartbeat.
The reason I like lw isn't a passive play style I like him because of the petal and the tree they can be used to do so much in the right hands optimally yea lw can be boring but if you're trying to have fun taking off angles applying pressure with the no fall off thorn volley or using it to do decent shield damage it becomes more fun each hero has more ways to play than you'd think
17:34 yes if we rank down we feel that way. When you get that many losses but you still need to finish your card you just need that final win but its bittersweet to get the win iust to derank.
I’m trying to figure out what your agenda is in trying to make LW look so bad? As if Mercy hasn’t been the resident healbot for the games’ entire existence and has the most dedicated fanbase in the entire game? 20:05 you blew all your CDs INCLUDING ULT at the same time, you waited until there was 4 of them clustered to drop down on top of them, were close range which is when his damage output is highest yet still didn’t attempt to finish kills or LOS with tree, nothing. You could have easily gotten 1 kill if not more with how you normally play - it’s so obvious you were throwing, I just don’t get the point?
Love the soundtrack behind this entire vid! Lifeweaver is trash design. Leaving yourself to the mercy of your team and the flow of the game, with the only ability to alter is reactionary with your cooldowns. The only proactive thing he can realistically do is pull/petal people to high ground ( and just look at those bronzes struggle with that lmao) or tree early fight for the overhealth, which is an absolute shit mechanic in itself. (theres a reason brigs armor got reworked)
Lifeweaver is such a positive character and I like that. I think you just dont know what/how he's impactful, which is fine (especially because he's still very new). After some of his changes, i think he's so much more fluid to play snd fun, and his damage output is good at midrange and up close. He's a menace for Sombra's and anyone else who tries getting in your face, too. I play him in GM lobbies and i have a good time there - but i think he has that carry potential in his utility like petal or dash, and he's incredibly slippery in the right hands.
I think the best way to play lifeweaver and utilize his pulls is to sit in the back line and when you get dove, pull a dps or the tank to defend you and spam heals
As a tank, it feels horrible to gain a fiercely fought over field advantage, have a very good position, only to get yanked back 30 meters facing away from the enemy, and then have the enemies that you were already fighting start to sandwich you.
@garyjones2536 understandable but those are the people that don't know how to play him. He needs to be looking at the whole fight to see who needs his help the most, if my tank is brawling I'm only gonna pull him out if I can't outheal the damage they're taking cause I would rather lose the territory than lose the tank. The tank is the most important member of the team.
@garyjones2536 that's why I look at the fight and see who would be the best option to help me. If tank isn't doing shit I'm pulling tank. I have been cursed with good game sense but shitty teammates so I'm always looking to better reposition my team. If I see we're gonna lose the fight I'll pull the tank out to hold the corner further back, rather stay in the fight and lose some ground rather than lose the entire fight and they get to push the cart much further or they capture the zone and then it takes us 30 seconds to get back
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bro that's not awkward, that's confidence
Evil Awkward be like: “Healing, healing, healing! They go back I don’t go forward! They go forward I don’t go back! I’m not off-angling, I’m not using cover!”
"I lost that fight? That was unironically my team's fault guys"
Uneducational Gm to Unranked (20% win rate)
You're describing bronze rank very very well.
"They are countering me. There's nothing I can do"
hiding and healing
hiding and healing
Nah bro, Awkward turned into Straightforward ☠☠
💀😭
straightforward?
lmfaooooooooooooooooo😭😭😭
@@check9094awkward ≠ straightforward
Nah I get the criticism but honestly lw isn't about carrying the team with kills and distractions, it's literally about puppeting your team to play better. If you see highground that would be better for a cass, you petal them up, if you want a rein to shatter the team but can't seem to do it? Pull him to an off angle and do it. A teammate is over-extending? Pull him back. It's like being a dad taking care of your 4 kids lmao.
Awkward went from saving a team fight to killing his own teammates as LW.
tbh I think whether you like LW depends on your preference. If you enjoy playing passive, he can be very fun, and there's nothing wrong with that.
I'm not too good at aiming and stuff but with LW i can at least keep healing those who can actually carry, it's pretty fun and not nearly as stressful as any other hero except Mercy
Maybe its only me, but LW can apply decent pressure. Its not uncommon for me to go for a 1v1 on high ground. If theres an ash, soldier, or widow on high ground alone, im going in. Im plat support and LW is my go to. Dude is honestly so good overall
@@ItzSpritz I agree, I get a lot of value just from spamming chokes and big targets, and he does well in close quarters
I agree, there’s nothing wrong with that at all. Just stay in quick play where the passive plays belong, because passive supports lose games.
My younger brother plays life weaver, I think he’s in masters or high diamond, but he does damage and takes one vs ones, uses petal to escape the fight. The character has really high health and decent damage at close range
@Fultonian-ve1ib1.5 seconds is a lifetime in this game, not impressive
He's not saying it's the greatest damage dealer, just that it can deal damages@@KlayGoods123
I unironically love lifeweaver 💓 a main support with crazy utility and survivability. Games where you constantly save your tank, heal the whole team, kill divers and counter ultimates is peak gameplay. But yeah, compared to most every other support, a good player can get more value on another hero. Wouldn’t recommend it in gm.
Obviously you know way more about the game than me and are way better, but it’s kinda crazy to me to be complaining about damage output when playing a passive reactive support hero like mercy. I get you don’t like that design philosophy but there is a place in the game for characters like that. Not in the highest ranks, but there still is.
Also there are a lot of scenarios where you can flank and pull your teammate into an off angle or behind the enemy team, and just generally be a lot more creative with his kit. I like your content a lot but I’m going to keep playing him :-)
I like how he says "it doesn't teach you cooldown uses" but everytime he died to Winston was because he didn't manage his cooldown on his dash/petal lol
case in point
What he should have said was
“It doesn’t let you spam cooldown uses”
He preaches in his videos on other characters to pretty much use your abilities on cooldown. Petal is not one, nor is grip. Therefore he doesn’t mesh well.
It’s sad this comment has so many upvotes. If you play lifeweaver past diamond (literally who would ever do that lmfao) you’ll find out very quickly that you need about three petal platforms per fight to not get dove in the time it takes to make one. A diamond Winston knows how to either force this cooldown or wait it out. At this point in time there was no cooldown management on lifeweaver, every pro player who was maining him to reach GM was hardstuck plat and diamond. Bogur only broke through to GM after the damage buffs. You have to be a metal rank player to either make this comment, or agree with it.
Played lifeweaver on illios and i swear i saved my team from boops around 20 times with the grip. That was peak lifeweaver play for me hearing my teammate cheer from being saved from the infamous hole
If you in anything above silver, players know not to get close to the hole
@@KlayGoods123why be negative ? he made good plays good on him
@KlayGoods123 nah bs, they die to boobs and pushes in all ranks. Just a question of timing and position.
My Peak LW (I main him btw) was Countering 3 Orisa Ults by using petal to make her go up (Btw U can also use petal to remove mines , to counter rein shatter while the animation is happening , Move Zaryas Black hole up , Put Petal in the middle of doom ult , U can sorta Move Mauga ult up but there doesn’t seem to be a use for that atm , If Dvas ult is close to u And u have no where either use petal to move up or Petal the dva ult itself for it to be countered) , U can counter most ults with Pull aswell , So I personally think hes a cc hero sorta , Also I love tree especially when U use it to block their easy and shorter spawns so they take longer or the spot they go to for exiting during overtime
Would love to see unranked to GM with Lucio- wanna see how awkward plays him- edit: bro finally made the GM to unranked with Lucio!!!!
Same
He doesn't. He said on stream it's the only hero he isn't confident in. Might make for interesting content though as we could watch the process of learning.
@@Fesititiwe can only hope for a learning stream 😢😢😢
I need this
YES PLEASE!
4 Step LW plan:
1. Engage
2. Keep the Distance
3. Off Angle
4. Disengage with Petal Platform
Most players can't interpret a scoreboard intelligently. They see high heal totals on a support like LW, and think they are doing well. They don't realize the high heal totals are because 1 less player doing damage on your team allows the enemy to have a comparatively higher damage output, boosting your team's healing stats. It's meaningless healing that just prolongs an inevitable defeat the majority of the time.
If you heal your dps while they are 1v1 or in a team fight you enable them even more . Supports job is to help the dps win and do their job , not primarily to kill and frag
@@patricklodge1576 if you are healing a DPS in a 1v1, it is a 2v1, not 1v1. Having a support that could heal while simultaneously assisting in damage is even better in this scenario.
Y'definitely don't win by saving your own life, y'win by stopping the red team with damage.
@@patricklodge1576okay but why not play Kiri/bap/zen/ana/Moira/brig where you can do both at the same time? Surely that's even better than just healing
@@Bioboy590 In that specific 2v1 scenario, yes, I'd agree a Bap or Illari would give a slight edge, but the big picture isn't so black and white. Lifeweaver is balanced around low damage pressure and high heals and utility. His utility is arguably the strongest of the support category when used properly; Samito just completed an UR2GM on him and agrees he's actually broken, and you're essentially a puppetmaster for the entire battlefield. No other support can deny the enemy's ults as consistently as LW is able to. High DPS supports are valuable in their own right, but when the enemy makes a smart coordinated play with ults, even with consistent damage usually that's where things get really rocky. LW is best equipped of all the supports to stabilize these sorts of scenarios, even with a "heal"/"utility"-focused kit.
Samito has been playing lifeweaver in gm and completely dominating. He heal bots, get's tree ridiculously quick, uses it strategically, and says life grip is a low key VERY impactful ability. He agrees the design is stupid and not all that fun. But he says it has hard carry capability.
Kinda hard to compare him to the average player though. Samito is a guy that knows the ins and outs of this game. Has thousands upon thousands of hours of experience. Has played so many games that he can literally narrate what's about to happen in the team fight in a calm and cohesive manner while in the middle of the fight himself. He is in the top 01% of the playerbase that can do this.
@@DaLoserisYou your point being?
@@ThePaintedHope Awkward's motto is that the anyone can become gm by playing the game right, but not just anyone can play like Samito does.
As a lifeweaver main, your performance was poor. And some people who say lifeweaver is trash has never properly played him or seen a really good lifeweaver. If he were to have a lot more damage potential, people would just complain he’s a DPS character like most support heroes. He is amazing with the right team comp of course, especially on escort mode on defense I find him most useful. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t have potential or is automatically a throw pick because the purpose of his kit is to save people and cancel ults. Heal botting is not a bad thing for him. If he were to have faster healing done his team combined with more damage output, he would be unkillable, especially how his ult can already sustain a team fight. And even now people are saying he’s a slippery hero. He would be definitely a lot more broken if he were to do a lot more damage like any other over tuned support.
well every other support is overturned, i don’t see why lifeweaver shouldn’t be able to do damage either especially since his kit doesn’t have any offensive properties. simple fix:make his weapon swap as fluid as moira
Lifeweaver is the epitome of "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink."
"You can heal, save and provide high ground for your team, but you can't make them get picks and do damage."
Because if you were playing an actual support you could also damage and get picks too.
Healbotting never wins games
Yeah because they’re playing 4v5 lol
this is a great analogy
Why do I have so much fun playing as Lifeweaver? It's so weird but I just love his kit. And saving a teammate from certain death is just awesome! Especially when they tell you that they appreciate it. BTW: If they just speed up his projectiles he would be insane.
Hardstuck bronze
@@Mulindak gm3 sup here - i also enjoy weaver's kit. is it really bad in ranked in comparison to ana? yeah, but it has its strengths and can carry games - you just need to think about using his kit instead of turning your brain off and just shoot at the enemy
@@Mulindak someone is proud he peaked silver calling others bronze now xD
They did
For the first time, i completely disagree with Awkward. With everytning he said about lifeweaver. Other support like ana, zen, moira etc their utility comes from damage. Life weavers utility comes from big heals, decent survivibility, good mobility, and insane life saving potential. Awkward is genuinely playing LW terribly bad here, simply because of his narrow "Damage" mindset.
-A T500 across all roles, notably specifically LW
I completely agree with you he’s just playing lw wrong then complaining when it doesn’t work.
It’s like not scoping In with widow then complaining she can kill anything.
damage damage damage is a good mindset on a lot of supports but not mercy or lifeweaver
Ye
@@destiny_5540 tbh I wouldn't say Mercy only because on Mercy you are damage boosting like 80% of the game
Healing is only really done on downtime due to her slow healing
Lifeweaver is genuinely just kinda playing by his own fundamentals
"im distracting them" i love this lol, i feel like mercy has a hidden ability to bait enemies into wasting their time looking at her. like in valk, jiggle cover behind the enemy team and see if anyone is dumb enough to 180 and commit to looking at me while my team is aoe boosted shooting at them. Gotta tease them a bit to trick them into looking at me instead of a more vulnerable teammate
very true especially when you go any hitscan
Mercy is the ultimate bait at times. This is one of the reasons I like playing her. It's like playing a different game 😂
I too look for flying skirts
It’s insanely easy to bait as mercy because she flys across the map like a jet while soaking up all the damage and completely outhealing it by doing nothing
Great video awkward! You obviously know the game better than me but I do enjoy playing Lifeweaver as he is the only hero that can build an entire forest.
I guess the point of LW is to see how quickly you can plant trees. 🤯
Lifeweaver is a fun hero to play in duo Q or generally in games with a lot of communication. flower can give a free high ground, put characters in places inaccessible to them naturally, pulls allows for quick repositionning/high ground and allows your mate to play extra agressive because they have a free escape plan if it goes wrong, ult is almost a "you can't die anymore" ability.
I don't play shooters much..but i really got into Overwatch cause it reminded me of TF2. Lifeweaver is my favorite hero: To me seeing the "Players Saved" number is more fun/satisfying than seeing a kill counter go up. But thats just me
LW wasnt designed to carry with big consistent dmg like bap, zen or kiri, hes an enabler that can put your dps in strong positions that would be unorthodox, or help them reposition very quickly, 2 completely different playstyles and roles. Its like comparing an Orisa's survivability to a Doom who cant land any abilities lol
Awkward: If you play fundamentally well you'll be able to carry your games
Lifeweaver: We don't do that here
Meanwhile, Samito just finished an UR2GM on him this week with crazy stats, and considers Lifeweaver broken. His kit is centered around being a puppetmaster for the entire battlefield, and he is best equipped of all the supports to deny enemy coordinated plays and ults. "Playing fundamentally well" can vary wildly depending on the hero, and a distraction-focused mentality with a character that is best equipped to avoid enemy attention at all costs is *not* playing fundamentally well.
@@Aurora12488ana nd kiri better equipped
Where? His twitch is inactive@@Aurora12488
@@Aurora12488other supports are just better
@@Terrasse16better at offense? Maybe (not Mercy, tho).
But he’s the best defensive hero to deny plays.
Nanoed Genji dashed with an ult? Jump on the petal and yoink your teammate he’s after and watch him running pant down with no reset. To do that on Ana you’ll have to land a skillshot, which is way harder. Kiriko does not guarantee that Genji will not finish you off after suzu invulnerability.
He’s also great at denying value for most of the tank’s abilities and ults. Capable of saving booped or stickers teammates (with cass nade, tracer ult or echo stickies)
And the list goes on.
He’s not great for everything, but he’s very much playable, you just have to adapt the mentality
Was this something like: "
Uneducational Grandmaster to unranked on Life weaver"
the only stat you can see that shows you made a diff is "players saved" 10+ players saved your making an impact. really though you must be shutting down enemy ults and pulling people to off angles and there is no stat that shows for that
i would like to add that first season of him i threw on an alt all weaver from masters 1 down to diamond 3. blizzard only buffs on win rates so i did my part to help with the giga buffs he got. still though he needs more dmg to be good though and those thorns aint it.
The reason Awkward isn’t having fun and sometimes carrying with Weaver is that he’s not using his petal optimally: It is the perfect option to save teammates/hard counter Orisa ult, Zarya ult, Rein ult, Mei ult, junk trapped teammates, slept teammates, etc. and it’s super satisfying to use it that way. I agree, you can’t carry with him nearly as often as some of the other supports, but if you use his platform right, he’s much more fun and extremely powerful with his skill expression. Also, using the tree to block a small doorway that the enemy team is coming through when the timer is about to hit zero is divine.
Petal platform might just be the most dynamic ability in the game. Lifeweaver is great💗
Your pull on the junkrat got interrupted when you broke LOS with his original position. So it dropped him on the last point on his trajectory that you had LOS from - which dropped him behind that wall, into Orisa ult.
Lifeweaver one of those characters I enjoy playing when I just wanna chill and not sweat in some QP
Yeah same, he’s great when playing qp with a group of friends and you just wanna turn your brain off a bit and hang out. I’d never play him in comp though, if you are playing seriously he is kinda boring.
If I wanna chill in QP, Mercy already existed.
@@Zathren lifeweaver has nothing to juggle. Mercy has 20 things to constantly do
Idk some games feel really sweaty for me, especially when paired with a low-heal support such as zen/lucio
You just try to keep everyone alive
@@lumi-lumi-lumiwhat rank are you? Bronze?
Seeing one of the best support players struggle with lifeweaver just goes to show u how amazing dafran is for pulling off unranked to top 500 with him. Only one capable of doing the unranked to top 500 with all heroes.
I find lifeweaver really fun... he might be meh, but he's really good at countering enemy abilities and ultimates with his abilities - which is satisfying. I'll admit the primary fire spam is pretty boring though, thats why you mix in some dps'ing.
"I might have killed our junkrat....I know I killed our junkrat". I appreciate good lifeweavers. Ive been saved and killed by them; they can change your fate in an instant. I've mixed feelings about this character. RIFT had a character who could do this, and they ended up implementing a setting in the options where you could opt in or out of pulls. It was well received.
Seeing Awkward on an actual healer is hilarious. I understand his pain.
They had the audacity to nerf him also lmao.
It’s funny I feel like him being bad makes him think the character is bad
Just look at the difference towards the end of the video when I play Kiriko. Night and day.
Honestly, just making it so the Ammo could *Regen* instead of reload when weaving would make him a lot nicer. You could send a few shots, swap back, and theoretically have a fluid toggle to do damage whilst also avoiding the dreadfully stupid reload.
nah that prank at the start though got me for a sec you bastard
within a month your vids have brought me from low plat to almost gm support (i hope i get it next placement). im happy you do these educational vids, thanks
“People who try to have fun in death match disgust me.” - Awkward -
I’m gonna be totally honest
Lifeweaver can definitely carry because he’s buffed like crazy and can do good damage once you get used to it he’s just badly designed and needs a passive charge on healing so it doesn’t consume so much time
Life works well with dive heros. Pulling them from being overwhelmed and long range sustain.
I wouldn't say well, that would be ana kiriko brig etc. They enable the divers which is better in the long run. What lw provides to dive is a far cry from what an anti nade alone provides for example. Just because you can pull people out from a fight doesn't mean you are helping especially for dive. There's nothing I hate more than when a lw pulls me because my health is low when I'm perfectly fine as tracer. Then because I got pulled, I lost all the pressure I made just because of someone who thinks they're helping.
Dive heroes need to be pulled the least. They already have the ability to escape. He works best with brawl tanks like JQ and Rein. Petal for high ground and Pull can let them go crazy in the enemy backline with little risk
“Don’t play life weaver. Don’t be a part of the problem.” *2 seconds later* “alright we’re gonna go life weaver and we’re gonna hide”
I love when you try and set up Bastian in the air for kills in turret form and they immediately come back down 😂😂
I feel like the base concept of lifeweaver is good, something that enables and allows new angles for everyone but i feel like he himself is lacking, you cant do anything playing him, you can only let others do stuff.
A damage buff may work, or some increased utility on his abilitys, let people choose to get pulled to platform when they want to, or let him do something extra
I've been having a lot of fun on LW. And have been climbing. With Zarya and Orisa being so prominent he pretty much shuts down their ults.
And if you can avoid shatters you can save teammates from that too.
I've been climbing on Lucio, kiri, and mercy too.
I haven't started playing illari yet
I feel like if they made him do a little bit less heals but his heals charged while you were dealing damage he would feel a lot better
They do now 🗿
Lifeweaver has cool abilities and a cool heal ability, but like literally no damage because its so slow to switch from healing to damage
9:00 had me dead "what is going on. i teach those stuff, what is she doing?"
There are many ways to play him, either you go support offense and take off angles pulling a dps with you and pocket them. Or you do the offense yourself as usual and take close/mid range machinegun fights in frontline angles while you heal tank, petal out while you call all targets low for team to finish.
damage damage damage vs healing healing healing
*awkward dies*
"but hey i was distracting!"
LOL
In low ranks you can kind of set up your team for success. Low ranks nobody takes off angles or high ground so I used to go up there and pull people to better angles lol.
Low ranks and my fucking teammates are just scared of the petal, like bitch take my petal and take high ground you dumb fucks. I even boost them up and bam they jump off and I’m just like 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Bro makes kiriko look so much fun
Playing weaver is like a girl recovering from a breakup. You start healing and then you plant a tree.
I have a friend who hard locks Mercy/Lifeweaver every game they play. Let that sink in after watching this video.
That's not a friend that's an enemy
Sometimes I just like to have my “I have no enemies” arc in qp and deny any pick the enemy team is close to getting
I played 2 games as LW in Diamond, nothing. Couldn't carry. Hated it. Had tons of healing though.
5 games as Brig, all wins. It's stupid. This video was so accurate, like all of your content.
Trying to carry with heals is like asking your team to carry and trusting and hoping that they are better at the game then you. The sad truth is your whole team could never die and still lose if you don't have damage. Nothing gets done if you don't make opportunities.
Dude you can’t just mindlessly spam his abilities and expect to win.
While I can agree that you have to have a specific scenario for him to shine (defense / enemies have Zarya or Orisa / enemies are too aggressive / the second support is not mercy, etc), it’s not that miserable as you try to make it seem, as the pull and the tree are just so good if used right
Shame on you for harassing bronzes btw
I love how as he progressively got fed up playing LW he started to do more DMG instead of heals lol
I’ve been wanting to see you do a Mercy or LW game so bad to see how the “damagedamagedamage” philosophy carries over yes!
he did unranked to gm on mercy in ow1 and it's really funny. he's not having fun.
@@moonyeast whaaaat I never knew watching this rn lol thanks
i feel that ramatra, i hate when we go double healbot, like okay we have heals but we have no support advantages, it's even worse when enemy goes ana, brig, or junker queen
I find LW good when my team is too aggressive where my pulls can save them a lot. It's also good against enemy ulti where I could just pull teammates to safety. Felt great when I saved my whole team from a rein ulti with LW petal. Got targeted so hard after that. I try to do damage whenever possible, but yea, it's hard when I miss so much. If his shooting projectile speed was a bit faster that would be great.
it seems like you kinda learned how to carry as lw towards the end. his power comes from tons of heals sure, but think of yourself as a master hand in the game.
You always talk about damage, but what happens when you CANT do damage similar to mercy? You enable somebody else to do damage, how do you do that with lifeweaver? You can directly put your teamates ANYWHERE regardless of their abilities. Put your soldier on a crazy flank when the fight starts, put your ulting cassidy in the skybox, have a tank who locks roadhog or rein on a high ground focused map? FORCE your reinhardt to dive by putting them in a location the enemy doesnt think they can reach. A rein jumping on you out of nowhere is scarier than a winston.
Another form of crazy carrying power he has is the ability to shut down almost any ult in the game creatively. You can platform an ulting orisa away, put a petal under shattered teamates. Save anyone from any dive, tree off a matrix sightline or high noon. Pull your tank out of a solo blizzard.
Lifeweaver can do all of this while also having INSANE staying alive protentional himself. He has really high carry potential, most people are just playing him wrong as a healbot when he offers much more than just that.
The way that pull served the junk rat up on a platter for the orisa ult 😂
I'm kind of disappointed that you rarely ever use the platform to create an off-angle. Weaver has a lot of HP and can do damage up close or burn shields on range. ^^ but you need to constantly off-angle, do damage and distract, especially on isolated targets. Nothing changed, come on man.
the paradox of the pull skill is that it just wouldn't be needed if you were playing any other hero. Its just soo bad heal skill , and infinitesimal dmg. The only good thing is tree, but the hero just cant be just his ult.
he is cosplay an ilari turret until you get your ult and place a bob sized illari turret on top of your illari turret abilities
@@lukegibb1967 it is just made wrong. You just can't have a charge time between "someone need heal" and actually starting healing in the game as fast as Overwatch. A 1,3sec, not less. Its like extremely low reaction time by hero design.
Healing is the result of feeding. Click heads. It saves wasted damage.
His dash usage could be better, he could use platforms to place him in better positions and he doesn’t sneak in damage with the needler. He’s very green to this hero and it hurts to watch him default to heal botting and calling him boring.
And yet he is still better than you
He literally deranked to plat…he’s WORSE
@@puchimausu are you missing the fact he was the rank 1 support and has more gm accounts than you could imagine...
@@fulltimestuntman2.0 he is in fact a good if not the best support on Ana/zen/kiri/etc. but he is terrible at lifeweaver and he chalks it up to being the hero’s fault for the ENTIRE VIDEO. I’m not saying he’s a bad player it’s just that he really needs to learn before he can start calling him boring.
@@puchimausu cope, awkward is the goat, life weaver is shit anything awkward says goes!!
I think the problem with Lifeweaver is the design of the hero makes you FEEL that you have a great impact on the game. Heal a lot, saving people's lives, escaping from danger... "it's all my team's fault!"
Without fail Weaver mains are the smuggest and dumbest people in every lobby I get into. I had one idiot today do the sit emote while we walked back from a team wipe. He thought he was the only blameless one when he was literally spectating lol
But he does have an impact on the game.
The amount of times I’ve stopped an Orisa ult, saved my team from shatter, freeze, hanzo ult, rein charge, is uncountable.
Freeze and shatter are team wiping ults. And LW can save multiple teammates from them.
And he’s the only hero who can save their teammates from the inevitable death of falling or being booped off the map.
His damage isn’t terrible for a support either. It’s not bap or Ana but I’ll 1v1 an ash or widow on high ground in a heartbeat.
The reason I like lw isn't a passive play style I like him because of the petal and the tree they can be used to do so much in the right hands optimally yea lw can be boring but if you're trying to have fun taking off angles applying pressure with the no fall off thorn volley or using it to do decent shield damage it becomes more fun each hero has more ways to play than you'd think
17:34 yes if we rank down we feel that way. When you get that many losses but you still need to finish your card you just need that final win but its bittersweet to get the win iust to derank.
Omfg that guy at the beginning almost had me 😂😂 I was like there's NO way a haircut changes his look that much... Right?!
That beginning tripped me up so bad LMAO
That was actually a crazy good impression
1:20 lmfao
I’m trying to figure out what your agenda is in trying to make LW look so bad? As if Mercy hasn’t been the resident healbot for the games’ entire existence and has the most dedicated fanbase in the entire game? 20:05 you blew all your CDs INCLUDING ULT at the same time, you waited until there was 4 of them clustered to drop down on top of them, were close range which is when his damage output is highest yet still didn’t attempt to finish kills or LOS with tree, nothing. You could have easily gotten 1 kill if not more with how you normally play - it’s so obvious you were throwing, I just don’t get the point?
OH MY GOD He fucks up the petal jump and says at least mercy could fly while using CD to do NOOOOTHIIIIING
Love the soundtrack behind this entire vid! Lifeweaver is trash design. Leaving yourself to the mercy of your team and the flow of the game, with the only ability to alter is reactionary with your cooldowns. The only proactive thing he can realistically do is pull/petal people to high ground ( and just look at those bronzes struggle with that lmao) or tree early fight for the overhealth, which is an absolute shit mechanic in itself. (theres a reason brigs armor got reworked)
When you gripped the bastion from the tree I was like "Wow so mlg."
Akward turned into confident for a sec
LW does decent dmg up close and first 20 shots have no bloom and no fall off
“Did not enjoy a single time” I’m dead 😂😂😂😂
His damage is so not great, thorn volley is so slow.
I fell asleep 4 times while watching this.
The kirby music background gives me nostalgic throwbacks so hard
Can you do an unranked to gm on lucio? Would love to see how you play him
bro thats not awkward thats outgoing 💀
genji when
I watched Samito play a few rounds on this hero and I was like, oh let me try. I swapped after 1 round. It’s why I don’t play mercy
thought he shape shifted for a second
i was thinking "wait a second awkward what happened to your hair" haha
Lifeweaver is such a positive character and I like that. I think you just dont know what/how he's impactful, which is fine (especially because he's still very new). After some of his changes, i think he's so much more fluid to play snd fun, and his damage output is good at midrange and up close. He's a menace for Sombra's and anyone else who tries getting in your face, too. I play him in GM lobbies and i have a good time there - but i think he has that carry potential in his utility like petal or dash, and he's incredibly slippery in the right hands.
Can u pls make an unranked to gm with sigma ? Will love it
Lifeweaver is a sigma and Reinhardt counter. Busy their shield very quickly and give your DPS an easy free target to shot at
this is why I play lucio he can do anything
bro im high and i really got convinced that was him in the beginning. i started googling him to make sure i wasn't going crazy 😭
"distractions win games" meanwhile I have 3 people on me while 4 of my teammates die to 2 people. AMAZING. Happens more than not.
some wise arse once said : " there are not bad heroes, only BAD PLAYERS" " it's a skill issue"
12:04 !! Wtf did u do lol 😭😭
I think the best way to play lifeweaver and utilize his pulls is to sit in the back line and when you get dove, pull a dps or the tank to defend you and spam heals
As a tank, it feels horrible to gain a fiercely fought over field advantage, have a very good position, only to get yanked back 30 meters facing away from the enemy, and then have the enemies that you were already fighting start to sandwich you.
@garyjones2536 understandable but those are the people that don't know how to play him. He needs to be looking at the whole fight to see who needs his help the most, if my tank is brawling I'm only gonna pull him out if I can't outheal the damage they're taking cause I would rather lose the territory than lose the tank. The tank is the most important member of the team.
@@freakyfrogmusic9672 my reply was referring to you pulling tank when you yourself are in trouble
@garyjones2536 that's why I look at the fight and see who would be the best option to help me. If tank isn't doing shit I'm pulling tank. I have been cursed with good game sense but shitty teammates so I'm always looking to better reposition my team. If I see we're gonna lose the fight I'll pull the tank out to hold the corner further back, rather stay in the fight and lose some ground rather than lose the entire fight and they get to push the cart much further or they capture the zone and then it takes us 30 seconds to get back