A quick tip from a network engineer. Document every single connection in visio or an equivalent software. Print that out and laminate it. Document all your IP addresses you use and be sure everything is statically assigned. Make sure you have redundancy factored in. Don't just build 1 SD card build 2 so you have a backup in case the primary fails. label both ends of every cable so you know where it is going to / where it is coming from. These small things will save you immense headaches in the future.
@@CaymanIslandsCatWalks 100% especially when it comes to being out on the water. My parents are retired coast guard and I myself was a network engineer as a contractor for the USCG for a few years. Redundancy is critical to your safety :)
One little tip on the newer Pi's from my experience using them as embedded monitoring systems, load your OS onto a really good usb3.x stick (or even better a proper nvme/pci drive) as opposed to an sd. I have had an almost 100% failure on PI's using sd cards (from all different manufactures and quality levels) when putting them into a real production environment. most if not all SD cards just are not designed for the constant read and write cycles that a main hard drive on a pc experiences. I know you had mentioned you were likely going to be using a different PC on the final system but might help a little with some of the headaches.
I've been binge watching the series and that was the first thing that caught my eye. I'd go as far as to say skip usb/nvme and go with sata ssd. You'll hit a bottleneck with nvme drives. But any of those options will be better than sticking with the sd card
I appreciate these comments. I'm obviously in an ideal environment (house, with AC, etc). This will be in a pilothouse 50-60 ft boat. While it won't get wet, the rest of the environment will be hard on the electronics. So how does a SATA SSD connect to the Pi?
With a Pi 5, I would go for an nvme sad simply to reduce the requirement of a USB port. They make some super sleek nvme drives that attach to the bottom of the pi and avoiding much added thickness
You may want to run your box cooling fans on a relay using a bme280 (temp, press, humidity) and node red software to minimize power consumption. Since the bme280 is i2c, you could also monitor the box temp in KIP.
Great video, love the board, I used to do this at work, I am an industrial electrician, I used to build panels with AC drives PLC’s and computers controlling industrial manufacturing machines, same process as yours then move to an enclosure when fully functional Looks like we are on the same wave length with our projects I now monitor pi cpu temp to determine box cooling keep up the great videos I’m learning from you 😂
I do a lot of network installations on island homes where there is a lot of sea blast, so similar environment to a boat. If you can get away with not bringing outside air into your enclosures for cooling, it would be better to run things a bit hotter that bringing that salty air into your enclosure. I have a lot of PoE network switches in sealed enclosures, and they run pretty hot because of the lack of external cooling, but I have found that actually is still better than bringing in external air. Even though you are exhausting air, it will still be sucking in air from somewhere. If you do need some active cooling of the enclosure, it might be better to move air around the inside of enclosure and move some of the air past a heatsink that is coupled to the outside, but doesn't let any air in.
This is a really cool project! Excited to see where you take it. As someone else pointed out, the SD card on your pi is the single most likely thing to fail. I would strongly recommend you use an SSD instead of an SD card if you can help it. If you must use an SD card, invest in a "high endurance" card. Several brands make them - most will be branded as "high endurance", "industrial", or "edge". Still, an SSD is definitely the way to go IMO. Edit: I believe the pi 5 has a dedicated PCIE interface, that you can use to directly attach a PCIE (NVME) SSD. If this were my project, I would do exactly this.
Running VNC probably also consumes alot of resources from the PI, better connect directly to a monitor and if this is going run over the network in production run it headless(no ui/displayserver installed) and if possible a webui on another PC (prob need to configure alot over SSH if you can do that).
I would not use x on a raspberry pi. I would run on things you can run on a web browser. If there are things you need to run in a gui then run it on a windows or a Linux desktop.
Tip: Sdcard have a slow read write performance that could be the cause of it crashing. You might want to consider using a ssd drive instead. You can get a 512gb ssd cheaply these days. Also Sdcard tends to go bad easily.
A quick tip from a network engineer. Document every single connection in visio or an equivalent software. Print that out and laminate it. Document all your IP addresses you use and be sure everything is statically assigned.
Make sure you have redundancy factored in. Don't just build 1 SD card build 2 so you have a backup in case the primary fails. label both ends of every cable so you know where it is going to / where it is coming from.
These small things will save you immense headaches in the future.
Great idea! Thank you!
Multiple redundancies is ideal.
@@CaymanIslandsCatWalks 100% especially when it comes to being out on the water. My parents are retired coast guard and I myself was a network engineer as a contractor for the USCG for a few years. Redundancy is critical to your safety :)
@@DeadlyDragon_ I wrote my comment before he said that he not even near a boat yet.
Solid tips from you!
One little tip on the newer Pi's from my experience using them as embedded monitoring systems, load your OS onto a really good usb3.x stick (or even better a proper nvme/pci drive) as opposed to an sd. I have had an almost 100% failure on PI's using sd cards (from all different manufactures and quality levels) when putting them into a real production environment. most if not all SD cards just are not designed for the constant read and write cycles that a main hard drive on a pc experiences. I know you had mentioned you were likely going to be using a different PC on the final system but might help a little with some of the headaches.
I've been binge watching the series and that was the first thing that caught my eye. I'd go as far as to say skip usb/nvme and go with sata ssd. You'll hit a bottleneck with nvme drives. But any of those options will be better than sticking with the sd card
I appreciate these comments. I'm obviously in an ideal environment (house, with AC, etc). This will be in a pilothouse 50-60 ft boat. While it won't get wet, the rest of the environment will be hard on the electronics. So how does a SATA SSD connect to the Pi?
With a Pi 5, I would go for an nvme sad simply to reduce the requirement of a USB port. They make some super sleek nvme drives that attach to the bottom of the pi and avoiding much added thickness
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
You may want to run your box cooling fans on a relay using a bme280 (temp, press, humidity) and node red software to minimize power consumption. Since the bme280 is i2c, you could also monitor the box temp in KIP.
Great idea. I have a bme280 laying around too.
Great video, love the board, I used to do this at work, I am an industrial electrician, I used to build panels with AC drives PLC’s and computers controlling industrial manufacturing machines, same process as yours then move to an enclosure when fully functional
Looks like we are on the same wave length with our projects I now monitor pi cpu temp to determine box cooling keep up the great videos I’m learning from you 😂
Thanks for sharing!
Although, I do wonder if I could do this with heat shrinks and no fans and thus, a truly sealed box
@@TheFloridaCaptain the Pis are low heat but depending on the application running on them they could require some cooling.
I do a lot of network installations on island homes where there is a lot of sea blast, so similar environment to a boat.
If you can get away with not bringing outside air into your enclosures for cooling, it would be better to run things a bit hotter that bringing that salty air into your enclosure.
I have a lot of PoE network switches in sealed enclosures, and they run pretty hot because of the lack of external cooling, but I have found that actually is still better than bringing in external air. Even though you are exhausting air, it will still be sucking in air from somewhere.
If you do need some active cooling of the enclosure, it might be better to move air around the inside of enclosure and move some of the air past a heatsink that is coupled to the outside, but doesn't let any air in.
I think about the fans and holes a lot. I’ll likely experiment with heat sinks before an actual install.
This is a really cool project! Excited to see where you take it.
As someone else pointed out, the SD card on your pi is the single most likely thing to fail. I would strongly recommend you use an SSD instead of an SD card if you can help it. If you must use an SD card, invest in a "high endurance" card. Several brands make them - most will be branded as "high endurance", "industrial", or "edge". Still, an SSD is definitely the way to go IMO.
Edit: I believe the pi 5 has a dedicated PCIE interface, that you can use to directly attach a PCIE (NVME) SSD. If this were my project, I would do exactly this.
I think this is a good idea (and also moving to Pi 5).
Running VNC probably also consumes alot of resources from the PI, better connect directly to a monitor and if this is going run over the network in production run it headless(no ui/displayserver installed) and if possible a webui on another PC (prob need to configure alot over SSH if you can do that).
Good idea!
I would not use x on a raspberry pi. I would run on things you can run on a web browser. If there are things you need to run in a gui then run it on a windows or a Linux desktop.
Oh, man, that's such a joy to see that you can do such things yourself and on a limited budget nowadays :)
It sure is! Thanks for the comment.
Do you have 4.7k pullup resistors on the ds18b20 temp sensors? If not you will see junk data.
I did not. I’ll check this out.
Tip: Sdcard have a slow read write performance that could be the cause of it crashing. You might want to consider using a ssd drive instead. You can get a 512gb ssd cheaply these days. Also Sdcard tends to go bad easily.
Thanks for the advice
Cool!
Thanks!
I don’t think the whaler needs this lol😮
No, the Whaler needs a worthy mothership!
@@TheFloridaCaptain That’s is very true make her proud
Are you doing fuzz testing?
As in testing for police nearby? ;). Tell me more!
everything wireless would be so much easier...
Easier yes and there may be times when I’ll go that route but I prefer the reliability of a hard line.