Interesting!!! So currently Toei and Tokyo Metro no longer use the Chopper system, only VVVF (IGBT and SiC). We still use the Chopper system on 3 line Paris metro ("Kesar" system), and resistance control on the oldest trains (1/3 of the entire Paris metro fleet, i.e. 6 lines). The rest is on Alstom GTO VVVF (3 lines) and Alstom OniX IGBT VVVF (5 lines). Resistance control will be gone in 2026-2027 and Chopper in 2028. For Lyon, Marseille, they use a 4-quadrant chopper or resistance control (metro on tires). For Rennes and Toulouse, they use VAL technology (chopper for older trains, IGBT for younger trains). funny!!! for the 03 series (gen 5) with 4Q chopper, we have two trains with the same technology and the same assembly... The "Alteo" Mi2N series (more bass because the frequency of the choppers is lower) and the Z20500 Series with more stages, more different frequencies and slower. This is called "Hacheurs GTO" (4Q chopper with GTO components for the thyristors,not VVVF)
@@ecodaichiWhen 05-122, 123, and 124 get refurbished, do you think they'll have the exact same Mitsubisbi IGBT PMSM system as 119-121 or will they get slightly different systems (SiC, SynRM, Hitachi, etc.)?
I know that in the 02 series, there is one trainset (02-202) fitted with motors that sound like 2000 series motors. Does that train still have the 2000 series motors?
And we've got received the train with AVF-Chopper, 4Q-Chopper, GTO-Chopper & Hita-Mitsu VVVF-IGBT 2 or 3 Level for 6000 series, 7000 series & 05 series, guess what country is it? 😌
@@ecodaichi no, i was gonna say that a half population of TM train (that almost all of them were non on the video) were exported to Indonesia for commuter line service...
6000・7000・8000系のB修繕で採用された三菱IGBTは後々10000系列だけでなく、他社でもE233系や京急1000形などの様々な形式に採用され、省エネの先駆けとして大きな役割を果たしているんですよね。1993年からIGBTを採用したり、PMSMや最近のSyuRMをはじめ営団・東京メトロはVVVFの先進的な採用が印象的です。
メトロは最新技術の導入が多く、試験搭載と本格搭載とで音が違うのもあるので面白いんですよね〜
また、05系の日立IGBTなど、よく耳にするVVVFでも他の会社にはない音を出すことも多いですよね〜
同じ世代の装置でも路線によってソフト変えてるのも興味深いですよね。
01のバイオリンチョッパ懐かしいー！1000系の東芝PMSMとの共演といったらたまりませんでしたね。
PMSN?PMSMのことなんじゃない？
1980年代→バイオリンチョッパ
1990年代→初期型IGBT
2000年代→三菱IGBT
2010年代→PMSM＋IGBT
2020年代→PMSM＋フルsic
Interesting!!! So currently Toei and Tokyo Metro no longer use the Chopper system, only VVVF (IGBT and SiC).
We still use the Chopper system on 3 line Paris metro ("Kesar" system), and resistance control on the oldest trains (1/3 of the entire Paris metro fleet, i.e. 6 lines). The rest is on Alstom GTO VVVF (3 lines) and Alstom OniX IGBT VVVF (5 lines). Resistance control will be gone in 2026-2027 and Chopper in 2028.
For Lyon, Marseille, they use a 4-quadrant chopper or resistance control (metro on tires). For Rennes and Toulouse, they use VAL technology (chopper for older trains, IGBT for younger trains).
funny!!! for the 03 series (gen 5) with 4Q chopper, we have two trains with the same technology and the same assembly... The "Alteo" Mi2N series (more bass because the frequency of the choppers is lower) and the Z20500 Series with more stages, more different frequencies and slower. This is called "Hacheurs GTO" (4Q chopper with GTO components for the thyristors,not VVVF)
18:39 勾配駆動？でブレーキ解除する前にVVVFが起動してるのカッコよすぎる
A little fact about this TM train in 13:56, this train were exported to Indonesia to being use for commuter line service by KAI...
やっぱりメトロと言ったらバイオリンチョッパですね!
一コメ 音いいっすねぇ
6:40 なんちゃってGTO
このなんちゃってGTO、もう少しちゃんと収録しときたかったですね笑
9001の日立三菱GTOの同時に鳴る音が好き
13000kの音は聞き飽きたwww
その代わり元メトロ03系のVVVF制御(初期2種)、チョッパ制御の音は懐かしい
When all of the trains under the 5:27 category retire, can someone reply to this comment to update?
3:36 Does Tokyo Metro plan to refurbish the rest of those with the Mitsubishi IGBT PMSM or did they terminate the refurbishment program?
I think they will continue to refurbish on 05 series.
@@ecodaichi what are the trainset numbers that are still unrefurbished in this category as of August 2022?
@@Blank0005-123F &05-124F
@@ecodaichiWhen 05-122, 123, and 124 get refurbished, do you think they'll have the exact same Mitsubisbi IGBT PMSM system as 119-121 or will they get slightly different systems (SiC, SynRM, Hitachi, etc.)?
03系がほぼバイオリンチョッパ
I know that in the 02 series, there is one trainset (02-202) fitted with motors that sound like 2000 series motors. Does that train still have the 2000 series motors?
No, 02-202 had already been restored to former state.
And we've got received the train with AVF-Chopper, 4Q-Chopper, GTO-Chopper & Hita-Mitsu VVVF-IGBT 2 or 3 Level for 6000 series, 7000 series & 05 series, guess what country is it? 😌
They are the metro in Tokyo Japan.
@@ecodaichi no, i was gonna say that a half population of TM train (that almost all of them were non on the video) were exported to Indonesia for commuter line service...
しょっぱなくまモンで笑った
What station is that at 27:10?
Kajigaya station on the Tokyu-Line.
@@ecodaichi Thanks! I may be visiting Tokyo soon so I'm amassing a list of interesting stations
走行音をお借りしてもよろしいでしょうか
ありがとうございます。どのような用途でしょうか？
@@ecodaichi スクラッチというプログラミングでメトロ8000系の音をお借りしたいです
承知しました。どうぞご活用ください！
@@ecodaichi 有難う御座います🙇
06系がない・・・
そうなんです、、撮影を始めた頃にはもう線路上におらず泣
@@ecodaichi 14年の7,8月に直前でドア故障を起こしてそのまま新木場でしたからねー…
もう何本か居れば…06系は日本初？のIGBT素子採用でしたし残念でした
常磐線が地元だったので、何回か乗りましたが運転ハンドル滅茶苦茶いじり倒されてたのも思い出ですねw
15年には解体されてしまいましたね。06系は軽い上にMT比率が低いので、雨天時に滑りまくって地上区間の運転士には相当不評だったようです。見た目はカッコよかったんですけどね、、
@@ecodaichi 確かにｗ
雨の時は高確率で空気ブレーキで止まってた印象が多かったですね