ELAC Debut Reference Review | The Magic is Back
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
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Update: on the Speaker Leaderboard, I meant to place the Debut Reference above the SVS Ultra in the Bookshelf category as well. I was so focused on whether it could beat the UB5, I didn't consider if it was above or below the SVS Ultra. I've made the change accordingly.
Joe N Tell sweet video Joe! These are some pretty speakers. I'm glad he went with the front port. Like you said, not everyone can out them away from the wall!
Nicely done Joe. I was actually waiting for a pair to review but after watching this video, I don't know if I have anything more to add. As such I just sent them an email to send me the tower version instead. Well done Joe.
@@johnsweda2999 Yeah and I know some other channels will be coming out with reviews of these speakers too. I am curious what else more can they add as I thought this review was pretty complete. What would be cool is if I still had all the popular stand mount speakers and I do an ABCDE comparison. Sadly I don't have them anymore.
Your place looks well suited for floorstanders so that will be good. I've noticed a lot of variation between bookshelf speakers and floorstanders from the same line. Although they should theoretically sound similar just with slightly more sensitivity and more low frequency extension, it doesn't always play out that way in real world scenarios. For example, the ELAC Debut Reference floorstanders have the slot port at the very bottom near the floor (whereas it would be off the ground if placed on stands) and it also has 2 more cylindrical ports in the back. I just noticed those are also using 5.25" drivers instead of the 6.5" on the bookshelf.
@@joentell Yeah and also it is harder to integrate multiple drivers with floor standing. As such you are right that it is just more than extension. I personally like floorstanders more maybe because I have the room for it. Regardless which one I get, I am sure they will sound great but what I am expecting is that unlike the debut 6.2, they will not blow me away because these days,budget speakers sounding great is an expectation. Hopefully I am wrong and they will blow me away.
Yes towers will be awesome! I hope they send you them. I can't wait to hear your thoughts on them.
@@stopthefomo Hello mr. FOMO. When can we expect another update about LG CX 48" smaller pixels arrangement and what benefits will this bring to the table. Would this increase or decrease the risk of burn in ?
These are very good speakers. Balanced, with excellent bass respone. I can see why some people are saying that they're the best available under 1K.
Been waiting for this review! I'm glad they rated as high as they did. They sound great.
It deserves it. This is the 3rd generation and is double the price of the previous versions so I expected it to be good.
@@joentell I like Elac's approach to continuous improvement of the Debut line of speakers. I hope that we see a similar approach soon with the Uni-Fi line, particularly a step up in that pesky sensitivity/impedance rating. Seems to be price room somewhere between the Debut Ref and the Carina lines.
As always... amazing sound demo, review, and precision. My go to as always from back in the days. Great Job As Always.
Thank you! 🙏
Joe N Tell Check out my comment for the giveaway. Keep up the hard work 😓!!!
Mr. Joe firing on all cylinders in 2020 I see!😉🤔😬 Another great informative review without the nonsense fluff and Balony of some other reviewers as of recent!🤔🙄🙄🤥🤗
Just Audio is a great place to get your older gear repaired. You won’t get it back overnight, but my 2 repairs to older Marantz and McIntosh units were done right.
Thanks Bill!
Can you make a demo sound between the Elac Debut Reference and the Elac Debut.2 6.2?
Yes
That leader board seems to get harder every time. I can understand. Competition is very strong.
You're right! That's great for consumers, bad for me. 😂
Competition is fierce
If I win I will give them to my church for use in the choir room - they deserve to hear high quality renditions of the songs they will be singing so they know what they're aiming at
Wow, that is incredibly generous of you to do that for them!
Another awesome Elac speaker! Nice review again! Thanks Joe!
We entertain a ton, and these speakers (I’m buying a pair if I don’t win) will be be a prominent part of any dinner party. They’ll match perfectly with our furniture and should sounds amazing in our dining/living room! I’m so looking forward to owning these babies! Cheers!
Awesome!
Thanks for the Leaderboard Ranking. It is a great tool!
Hi Joe,
I have the Debut Reference speakers and, to my ears (in my room and with my equipment), they couldn't beat out the Polk LSiM 703's. Before I got the Debut Reference, I had the KEF Q150's and I was very happy with them until I took part in a trial of the Polk Legend L200's; I really enjoyed my time with those and they made me realize what I was missing with the KEFs.
So, I agree with your finding that the midrange was "lacking" on the Debut Reference compared to the other speakers on your list and that is one reason why I ended up deciding to send them back. The bass was pretty good with the Debut Reference but it didn't beat out the bass response on the LSiM 703's. I was surprised at how dead the cabinets sound on the LSiM703'S; it is INERT. However, I found the KEFs and the Debut Reference had quite a bit of resonance when I knocked on them (in direct comparison to the 703's).
Honestly, I thought that the Debut Reference threw out a very wide soundstage and, again, I agree with you that the center image was very focused. Definitely not "all bad" on the Debut Reference! I guess I just prefer the warmer sound of the LSiM703's; that and they sound more accurate and real, to me, than the Debut Reference (and the KEFs). Thanks for your review - GREAT camera work and video production!
Appreciate that insight. Curious how much larger the LSiM 703 cabinet is. Also, what was the original MSRP on those? I guess I can look that up.
@@joentell The original MSRP was $1499 eight years ago. They have dropped in price significantly and are a bargain today! The cabinet, overall, is larger but the midrange and tweeter are in their own cabinet within the cabinet. Here are the specs as taken by Stereophile's John Atkinson: www.stereophile.com/content/polk-lsiiim703-loudspeaker-specifications
Yeah, that makes sense. I would expect those to be superior.
Really enjoying this channel. As an amateur audio person I’m learning a lot.
Awesome! Happy to have you here!
Joe, i don't know why you can give an easy evaluation of these speakers, as well as Jay and Erin, but Andrew Robinson found them so so. I know that everyone has different liking when it comes to how speakers render sound. I like that when you didn't like a sound rendering you will say that you don't like it because it is bright for your taste. I myself do not like bright top end since i like to listen for long period of time. I was considering these speakers but it's so confusing when there are such differing views on the sound rendition from few people that reviewed it. Thanks so much always for not being confusing. 3 years later.
I don't even remember what I said. 😁 I have to rewatch it.
Trying to decide between the Debut Reference floorstanders vs the Kef R3...?
We can help with that Brett, give us a call we carry both and can help you decide!
As always, great review, Joe!
Also, I wanted to thank you for the heads up on Just Audio's giveaway as I am the contest's winner for the Debut Reference speakers! I plan on using them as my desktop speakers for music and gaming (large desk at 84 5/8" length and nearly 3' in depth) with a Denon PMA-600ne stereo amp. Pretty excited and shell-shocked as I've never won anything before!
I originally planned on giving them to my parents as an early anniversary gift for a 2.1 system if I won, but they refuse to take the speakers from me, apparently.
use them on my vintage pioneer system .. glad to find this site as i need some equipment fixed
Cool. Tell them I sent you. 😉
It's our specialty!
how this elac debut dbr62 compare to kef q350? your opinion?
I’m in the planning stages of building a home theater. I was already planning on using the reference series speakers for the surround system. It would be awesome if I could win these!
These sounded a bit warmer than the UB5 in your sample. Is that do to the woofer cone material?
Really excited to try the Reference. I have the Elac UB5 and the Debut 6.2
We can help with that!
Finally, some Debuts that aren't hideous.
I'm still happy with my ELAC Debut B5 speakers but would love to hear what the Debut Reference speakers sound like in person.
If you say that some of the sound is valed, I'm out clarity is an absolute must for me. Top to bottom.
Nice Review and I tend to agree as I had a first hand listen to these this weeeknd.
Good video. Not a wood veneer but a wood style laminate. But a good laminate. I a saw them in person at RMAF and thought they were amazing for price and good speaker regardless of price.
It's great to have a leaderboard.
Goes to show just what a good speaker the Uni-Fi truly is (when driven with a proper amp). I was hoping the Reference would bring back that original Debut bass, but it looks like that may not be the case. It's a lovely looking speaker, but with the price being more than the Uni-Fi, it's going to hard to justify as it is less of an upgrade and more of just an additional choice in the product line.
I do appreciate that you did the comparison as many reviewers would tend to ignore such.
It was a tough call really. I'm very happy with my Uni-Fi UB5's.
@@joentell After listening to the sound demo, I find the UB5'S mid range and vocals are more pronounced vs the Debut reference mids sound too dark. This is probably because I own the UB5'S, therefore I'm use to their voicing and mids. The Bass on the Debut Reference sounded better in everyway over the UB5'S on the sound demo. Good Job on the vid.
Great video Joe! Elac makes some great speakers and have quite a few fans.
I put a video up of an older ELAC 5.1 speakers I picked up for $350 but they are much older than these.
These new models look pretty sharp, love those grills! The quality of your videos is something I am shooting for, keep it up!
Great sound demo. Thanks for the review Joe.
Is it available India ? What is the price ?
Thank you for reviewing these with the Yamaha.
Yey been waiting!!! For a proper review👊😍
I like those walnut veneer boxes.
can the smsl ao200 drive these speakers? I'm looking at these for desktop/nearfield use. I have a a 74 inch wide desk and the speakers will be sitting on a speaker stand all the way to the side of the table and a little further back at around 6 inches off the wall. But my listening position would be at around 4-6 feet away roughly.
Heard them live over the weekend great sound and design. If I win they will be a great addition in my new office vintage setup.
Incredible performance for that price and size. And that grill!! It looks so great, I would not even mind using those!
Great review! I think the aesthetics of the Debut Reference Are nicer than the UB5, But when I Listen to the vocals, they seemed to fall back in the mid range versus the UB 5. They are still Pleasant but seemed to have a softer touch. My money is still on the UB 5.
If I were to win these in the contest, I would immediately have them set up in the living room for the broad range of music are family enjoys. They are beautiful speakers.
I get that. Tough to beat certain aspects of a 3-way design. Midrange is one of those things.
Big shout out to Baltimore Maryland and I've been in the store. I use them in my living room for my listing pleasure.
Thanks Rick!
Hi, I wanted to know if the elac reference debut make a good team
and does it have quite a bit of power with the Denon pma 600 amp, or does this one fall short? .thanks.
could you test the Jamo S 809 5.0 system + the S 8 ATM and what subwoofer would you recommend for it?
Thanks Joe, You're my new favorite reviewer!
Hoping you'll try RSL one day, they look great and sound great too.
Incredible speaker value and an absolute "nailed-it" review! You are the MAN!!!
Great review, I would uses these as a nice two channel system in my home office.
How do you feel these would work with a middle of the road Yamaha receiver? Can it provide enough power and handle the load of this speaker for theater use? One day my BIC Venturi's will die and I haven't decided what I'll replace them with.
Looks like an amazing speakers for price/quality ratio. It looks like Elac speakers are slowly penetrating into upper mid market with same consistent quality. Can't wait to experience these speakers. Keep up the good work Joe!
Thanks Joe, I liked the affordable Pioneer towers that he designed. I hope to hear some of his Elacs soon.
I love those FS52's!!!
Makes me want to build a set like your Dinas
I think they sound sweeter than the UB5. I like them more
Hi Joe, Please advise if I can use an active speaker for HOME Hifi use? I am looking at ATC SCM50ASL or ATCSCM100ASL. Thanks.
I have a (probably) stupid general question. Whats the point in bookshelfs, when the tower version of the series often doesnt cost a ton more, and considering you need stands anyway often even costs the same? Looking atm into Diamonds 11.2 and 11.3 ...
Do you think you could get the kef r5's in for review I'm strongly considering them but either no one has heard them or they don't have any at my nearby dealers
So excited to finally see these! I will be using them if I were to win the contest, upgrading from my current Debut 6.2's. I bet my little PS Audio Sprout would love these!
When I looked at the freq response of both speakers I realized the Debut Reference has its upper bass stronger but drop off faster than the other one. Maybe this explain why they are more sensitive on room placement. Thanks again for the video and demo!
Got my DBR62 for my desktop and run with a sub.
I did install a .1uf 1% metal-poly bypass cap on the tweeter. It made a pronounced difference in the air, detail and "solidity" of treble above 15khz. (fixed that drop off) Best sounding speaker I have heard short of maybe the Burchart-which are close to 2 grand as we know.
Tried that as well, but it didn't work for me, even at 0.1uF the treble became too pronounced and drew too much attention to itself. If anyone is thinking of also doing this mod to add a bit more sparkle it's quite an easy mod but I would go down in value to 0.068uf or even lower at 0.047uf or better just change your amplifier to a more lively model.
They're sexy speakers, afforable, and Just Audio is near me! Seriously considering them for my listening room build.
Hi to Lenny for me if you go in to check them out.
next logical question. how do they compare to the klipsh rp 600m?
I have some coming in (finally I know) so I guess we'll find out!
Form your experience which one is better option Elac debut reference dbr62 vs edifier s3000 pro ? thanks a lot
ELAC DBR62 is more neutral.
How are they in the nearfield against the KEF LS50? I'm wanting to replace studio monitors in a DJ setup, but they'll be near a wall in a small room.
Hi Joe, greetings from Spain.
Would the Elac Debut Reference be good companions for a Marantz 2252? What do you think of pairing vintage amps with modern speakers? What other options do you recommend for the Marantz 2252?
Thanks!
Thanks for the review. I'll put these on my wish list, but they're a bit out of my budget.
I don't know where you live but for Europe I found a very good price from a german website hidden-audio.de, I just bought mine there. They had brand new one at 500€ the pair and returned refurbished ones at 420€ a pair. I took refurbished as they are discribed with no defaults.
If i undestand well with the grill there is a spike around 10 khz.Also a spike between 2.5khz and 6khz.What's wrong with this picture?It's supposed that all speakers when playing with the grill,are less bright less schril/fatigue and more soft/sweet.
Hi Joe! I have a couple questions. You mention that the DBR62’s do better with higher end equipment. Would you consider my Denon X4700H to be a better AVR to power these Elac’s correctly to give me an overall better audio experience?
Also, can you link me to the white speaker stands you used in this video?
I owned the original Debut and liked them for music, but did not like them at all for home theater and I ended up replacing them. I’d love to try these and see how they compare now.
Thanks for thedetailed review.
I did not like the forwardness of the Ub5 in the upper mid range. Thank you for describing the voicing of these speakers! Thanks Joe for the measurements too!
Would these be ok as main system speakers in a living room with a sub and a nice 2 Chan receiver?
I used to own a pair of Platinum Audio speakers, so it should be interesting to see how they match up to my vintage (Carver, Rotel) equipment. It's good to know that l can refer to another audio repair spot.
Once again an excellent video. !!!!!!!!!!
I was thinking of hooking up elac reference with the Rel T5i woofer, for a nice 2.1 system for watching movies. Woupd you recommand a diff speaker?
As Elac Reference R62 seriam um upgrade real e consistente em todos os quesitos em relação as Pioneer FS52?
Hi Joe. I am guessing you mean a walnut vinyl veneer? or is it wood? Vinyl veneers have improved in looks and quality over the past few years for sure but next to the Wharfedale real walnut they probably look OK at best. Cheers.
These are vinyl. The real wood stuff just looks awesome!
Doing good work Joe.
Great review ! How hard are Ubi 5 to drive ? Is 80 watts enough ?, a lot is being said about how hard these speakers are to drive, but I really like how they sound.
Good to hear they did these right. Thanks Joe.
Thanks for the review. Any recommendations for an integrated amp that will work well with its sound signature?
I like the Yamaha A-S501 I just reviewed but I'm sure others would work.
Love the Yamaha with these, could also try a Parasound
PS Audio Sprout 100
Great looking speakers, love the new port design, looks much more sophisticated
I've always loved ELAC speakers
Great review as always!!!
Compare versus elac debut 2 b5.2/6.2, worth to upgrade?
Hi Joe, do the Elac Reference speakers play well with the Hegel H-90 amplifier?
Loving the look of these!!
This is a very nice review. I am not used to such level of quality making in the speakers review kind of area. Looked like a review from videographers or photographers which I watch also quit often.
Great job man!
Thanks! 🙏
These would look great in my living room!
Thanks for the review. The Debut Reference sound like they have a lot of harshness in the treble vs the Unifi. Is the sibilance that noticeable in person?
Great review as always...
I already have the debut 2 5.2 and for me they sound damn good considering their price, it would be interesting to compare these two bookshelf in my small bedroom
Great review, I need to hear these.
Man, I was just thinking about reference speakers then, boom, your vlog comes up. It’s like the same analytics Amazon uses to find out your interest. Haha! Keep your vlogs coming bro.👍
😂 Will do!
Great job Joe, I love your channel...
Thanks man!!!
wow i am loving this. good job
Compared to the 6.2's - is bass response roughly the same despite the new port? I loved the bass response of the original 6.0's, always felt 6.2's to be slightly lacking in low end. Though the bass seems to continue blooming over time, and the high's seem to be mellowing in a nice way.
I think it's really the way it interacts with the room. I'll have to check on my video from RMAF where Andrew Jones was showing these. I remember them being pretty close to the walls there.
Did you prefer the Dentons 85th Anniversary over these for sound quality?
Hey Joe I subscribed to you because of your speaker list and because of your good reviews. Thank you
Thank you!
I have the Unifi UF5s and my drivers never move like that? Using Marantz 6010/ Crown Xls amps nor now Tonewinner AD-5300 amps. Do I have a setting wrong?
Crossover maybe?
No crossover. Towers are running full range. No subwoofer.
Between these and the Kali LP6, which do you think is better for desktop speakers?
I'm guessing the Kali's just because they're active (self-powered.) You don't want to have to put an amplifier on your desk. Yes, a small class D amp would work fine. I just kind of feel like these are big for most people's desks. I'm using the Hercules Monitor 5's at my desk because they're smaller than both, sound good, and have less audible hiss than the Kali.
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Love the new look of the speakers!