40 some years ago I was called to come and cut some large (3'-5') Western Red Cedar trees that were partially hollow. When I looked them over I told them it was beyond my skill level. They kind of laughed at me and went on to do it themselves. It killed one man and hurt another. It gets tricky and always dicey.
skinner B > Thanks for this reply. Having an idea of what you can do comes, at times, from what you have already done. The more of the "tricky" situations encountered, the more your knowledge base is broadened. This is the experience factor. There is NO substitute for experience! It is equally important to know your limits - agreed. I try and show one way to skin a cat with the tools immediately available with the hopes of exactly what you posted. Thanks again!
In my opinion one of your best video Jack, it shows exactly what is the reality of work, what it means working in stressing conditions and taking decisions in a short period of time when felling trees. I am a professional feller in UK, admire your style and skills and I am always learning something from your work. Thank you man.
Marco hi. You nailed it with the reality concept. It's when the curve ball comes in and what a guy does with it. IF a guy fells much then he will encounter the situations that are impossible the plan for (shown here). The measure is what is done in those scenarios and knowing one or a few possible outcomes based on experience. Thanks for watching and blessing for this day.
I know this is an older video but I just wanna say that I'm glad you're humble and politely forgiving to the keyboard warriors/safety police on RUclips especially after scrolling through the comments and seeing the ignorance of the commentors
Corey hi. Thanks for the post. I guess it is a matter of grace on my part. I think most have never even seen a redwood tree let alone plied their hand at dealing with a clump of them. I did add a long explanation in the description. But, I fear to many just "shoot from the hip" and don't even bother asking questions. No way are we going to spend a few minutes educating ourselves by reading what the curator has to say...... Thanks for watching.
Totally agree with you Corey ! Easy for a man to say I can do that , from hundreds of miles away ! I can honestly say I've never got into a redwood cluster before(mind you I am one of the men that would love a crack at it!) By the judge of the root rot in the other stump ,pucker factor increases ten fold ! I'm surprised that it held on the stump as well as it did ! That live wood is fibrous ,it's like a Red elm around my area .. would a Humboldt have helped get the crown moving a little easier in hind site ? I understand the stump ahead made it tough for that because the butt would drop rather then fold on to with a conventional .
@@joelnash5692hi. I don't really know if it would have made a difference on which style of undercut was used because these trees were a little bit tougher on the stump than most reds. You do risk jacking it forward off the hinge in this case with a real Humboldt since it was healed/held back in the top. Not the same dynamic as if they just lean back. Undercut choice is going to be be for timing and/or holding and/or moving purposes at the butt once the tree was taking flight, breaking wood, falling. Thanks for watching.
I’ve enjoyed many of your videos and learnt from them as I don’t cut many redwoods. I’m just as impressed with your grace when replying to the ignorant comments as I am with your skills. Bet you’re a brilliant father, patient and calm. The kind that only comes with vast experience. Well done from the UK. People please read the description and watch some of his other videos ( dangercat1 ) before being negative, thanks
Richard hi. I thought about your post "fir a minute". I think that this channel attracts the viewers that are more on the cerebral side. I think that they are capable of discerning the wheat from the chaff. I know from both filming and then viewing the footage that what "you" have is a limited understanding of the entire field of view. My premise - those that know make the appropriate comments. Those that don't know, well, they also make the appropriate comments. Sometimes my response nets me the idea that I may end up like Moses - not making it into the Promised Land. Probably qualify a fair father. In the end, Grace gets executed on my cranium daily, minutely, all the time. I have no business not doing my best to do the same to others. Thanks for the thoughts & watching.
Well, it's what they call a "falling difficulty". If you work in the woods it's gonna happen from time to time, even when you try to prepare for everything. Wood is very unpredictable to say the least. And finally, I believe I can safely say, that Jack knows who his Savior truly is and He helps keep Jack safe, cos Jack trusts Him, and I find that truly refreshing. God Bless you Jack every day!
You can tell 99% of these people have never spent no time on the saw going by there comments. Good job Jack. Enjoy watching you. Hooktender from Buckley wa
You can tell most of these people haven’t spent no time on the saw going by there comments. Good job Jack. Enjoy watching you. Hooktender from Buckley wa
This guy has more experience and knowledge than most of us who are commenting have combined. I was really impressed at how he accomplished the job even when the unknown problems manifested. Even with a tree jack I would have given up for the day. And for sticking his hand in to feel the hinge, it would be suicidal for me but not for someone like him who has felled tens of thousands of large ones and knows when it's close to closing. It makes me laugh at all of the negative comments from people who obviously have no real experience but think they know better than a master logger. Cheers!
I lived in the bush in B.C. for 6 yrs felling trees and building log cabins. The first thing I learned was to know your limitations as a feller. This tree would have been well beyond my skill level and dangerous to any but an expert feller.....nicely done! This tree was a bitch and you made it look relatively easy.
I would've been sweating big time Jack, nice recovery and response to an unexpected situation. I think you're right, a pull line up high with the tomcat would've made things a lot easier and faster. I don't have your skill or experience so any questionable trees around targets like houses or power lines get a pull line. For those asking how you get a line up in the tree, a lead shot filled throw bag connected to a small diameter throw line is launched with a large slingshot or air cannon, then a larger rope is pulled in. God bless and keep you Jack!
I'm glad to see that you can admit you get stressed out a little too I always get nervous when falling timber around homes especially when home owner is watching. good job way to keep your confidence
At 4'30" I already had to take a cra-ap. I've always built good clear escape routes. I'm an old man, and my escape routes have got to be a lot better now, and I'll holler for help a lot sooner than I'da once done. Puk-puk-puk--paDAAAA-kut! Yeah, I'm Chickenman! But I'm in my 8th decade, too!
great technical problem solving. hindsight is 20/20 and foresight is dim. really like to see others work thru problems I may encounter, good to have tracks to follow. landed it where you intended and not by accident, much to learn here. thank you and carry on.
Outstanding work as always sir, especially with a broken ankle. I am an amateur at felling trees and have a question for Jack or any of the experienced professional fallers that might happen to see this. My question is is about wedging and how to calculate horizontal forward movement at the top of a tree by wedging the kerf at the back of the tree. For example- how much would a 1" wedge move the top of a 100ft tree?
Ronald hi. The top's movement length would depend upon the diameter of the tree and depth of the undercut - which directly correlates to the distance from the hinge to the outside edge of the backcut where the wedge is placed. Until those are a known quantity there is no way to determine what you seek. Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 Thanks Jack, I figured there might he more to the equation. I did like a shot in the dark Google search and came up with good info that jives with your explanation. It broke it the tree into "segments" which is the distance from the front of the hinge to the far back edge of the tree (where a single wedge would be placed) in feet...it went on to say to divide the height of the tree in feet by the length of one segment which then gives you the total number of vertical segments in the tree...that number of vertical segments is the amount of forward lean or push in inches that 1 inch of lift at the back edge of the tree will create. Example: 2ft dia, 100ft tall tree with a standard 1/3 face cut- One segment= 2/3×2= 1.333 Total vertical segments= 100÷1.333=75 Total forward movement created by 1" of wedge= 75 inches. I would consider that a maximum since it doesn't take into account things like kerf thickness, compression of the wood fibers of the tree, etc. It also went on to say that forward movement can be increased with a given amount of lift by placing wedges closer to the hinge which mathematically decreases the segment length which increases the number of segments in the tree...that method puts the wedges at a mechanical disadvantage due to less torque (for lack of a better word) due to less distance from the wedge to the pivot point or front of the hinge. Does all that sound right to you?
@@hotsaws101 Thanks Jack, I figured there was probably more to the equation. I found some info via Google that jived with what you said- it basically broke a tree into segments which is the distance from the front of the hinge to the back of the tree. Example: 2ft dia, 100 ft tall tree with standard 1/3 face cut- 2ft x 2/3= 1.333= one segment... Forward movement at the top of the tree created by 1 inch of lift from a wedge at the back of the tree= 100÷1.333= 75 inches. Does that sound right not taking into account things like compression of wood fibers, etc. I guess that assumes that the tree is cut off flush with the ground, would probably be more accurate to use the tree height above the stump instead of total tree height. Instesting stuff regardless.
Jamie hi. Yes it was and thanks for posting, because you have an understanding, both your observations . I had one this fall that broke the hinge wood and went straight up - like they do a lot in redwood country fairly often. Thanks for watching.
@@liammulligan4355 hi. Some of the following is in a response to another viewer as well to let you know. This is one way to fall a tree in this situation. That is the gist of the video. Most people do not read the description and shoot from the hip on this video. Much is spelled out in there. A fair amount of the comments are "just get a rope". Well, I did not have a rope or some straw line - it is spelled out in the description why. The "rope concept" is a great idea, if there is one, that is capable, handy. This situation (i.e. clumps), on the Northern Cali Coast anyway, is a pretty regular occurrence. I've worked on hundreds over the years. Several on this day on this landowners property. 99% of the time a guy is in a cat, or worse, the bottom of a deep, dark yarder block and there is no option of equipment lending a helping hand. So a guy has to get creative sometimes. If your going to be a bushler in this neighborhood then you better be able to deal with this type of situation on your own, all by yourself, or you will never survive or make a living. As far as dealing with clumps, was it a pain because of the structures and people, you bet. Was it super gnarly or complicated, no it was not. Actually, in comparison to some clumps I've handled personally, it was a little like child's play, sans the possible obstacles of course. Until someone has actually walked in a fallers chalks in that neck of the woods they really lack a lot of understanding. But, it does not seem to dissuade a lot of misinformed commentary though. As far a safety, I never said or referenced that this was the "mostest & bestest" way to get a tree on the ground in this situation. But,,, it went exactly where it needed to hit, it missed the three out buildings, the garage, the house, the people, the tomcat, and myself. I posted this video because I was partially underequipped (again, spelled out in the description) by some standards. Not necessarily mine, and still managed, with the help of our Father who art in Heaven, to get it on the ground without a mishap. Thanks for watching.
BikeTrikeNTrail hi. The redwoods are more like a weed than a tree. They will grow back if cut off (regardless of the height of the stump) immediately. Just about impossible to kill. Bark seems are all over and some times completely enclosed inside the bole. I just about miss my shot with a 6' oldgrowth one time when it had an oblong patch of bark completely engulfed in the hinge. Of course if was opposite the side lean and about a foot long. The tree started forward and just popped sideways about 3'. It hit close enough for the cat to still grapple but it did not hit where I wanted it to. I also fell some large oldgrowth trees where the bark actually hinges just like the sap and heart wood - with the bark even pulling slivers like what a guy will see sometimes with the sap and heart wood. Blessing on this day.
I read more about redwoods, inspired by your description - and I found, that they are special and unique in a lot of ways - just like you are :-) I often wonder why some people pass fast and unfair judgement - as they seem to do in this video on a far greater than average frequency. Anybody, that bothers can see the greatness of your legacy, that you put into all your videos, each one filled with your long and vast experience.
Thanks, but this is a relatively normal happenstance in Redwood Country. Many locals have and do deal with similar if not exactly the same. Those that don't understand or have never been in redwood clump make the comments as such. Everyone knows who they are. The ones that do "get it", whether from similar experience or a good understanding of physics, make the appropriate commentary. It's to bad that few seem to read the description first, most is already addressed there..... Thanks for watching.
Thanks for writing the intro stuff for your videos, gives extra insight, sometimes I get some from the comments.. not so much on this one!! Seems you reached a wide audience with that title :) Your creativity and resolve are surely not in question! I did give myself a firm demand not to chance it with sideleaning limb tied trees after sweating through the vid. Thanks
Nice work Thanks.. I also use skid steer to push alot. I use hydraulic Jack and heavy come along to push pull in suburban long island NY. Houses everywhere power lines etc Ignore negative comments... typical
I cut logs up in Wa state. I do these types of jobs when I’m not busy production cutting; I’ll say that gypo logging around a house can be stupid risky because It’s difficult to tell a landowner that their tree needs to be climbed, or needs a shovel behind It, or too dangerous to put a saw in etc. I ran into a similar scenario last week. Great job performing under the stress and getting it down jack!
Tom hi. You must have balls of steel then... I concur with the "I need bigger gear" concept in these scenarios. And, I also agree with your thought on not being able to get the landowners "up to speed" easily. The "you made it look simple enough so far" is what a guy is up against. I do appreciate your commentary. Thank you "fir" watching.
awesome job, as mentioned before, one of the best fellers. and yes I mean fellas and fellers, jerk with a saw is just that, this guy seems like a great person too. not many left.
You're made of some strong stuff: didn't realize about the ankle until reading the desc. Really impressed with your work/ability to keep a cool head. I may be in contact soon about some port work :) All the best and happy holidays (2020) from Santa Rosa Edit: lol this comment section...
Unfortunately jack will probably get squished between a tree in the near future because he doesn't respect the tree enough, and then no one will be calling jack sheet.
Jim hi.. Borntrager makes one version of the self-contained "Hi-Jacker" at 53 tons. I think that the pressure is really high compared to the 10,000 psi Ray always had his jacks rated at. Salt Creek (home of Simington grinders) makes one also. Their's is 45 tons. That is rated at a higher pressure than the Silvey as well. I don't think that their is a smaller self-contained version (new) available currently, but I have one and haven't needed to look for one either. My Featherweight lifts 26 tons at 10,000 psi. It fits where the "Hi-Hacker", or the clones, won't engage the heart wood properly. Thanks for watching.
Been watching this channel for a while and for those saying he needs a new job, you're crazy. Watch all his work and then you'll see why he is calm and not freaking out.
New sub here...love watching your great videos. Nice work here controlling a haz sitch! You maitained control and safety by utilizing the proper tools and methods based on experience. Job well done my firend. Enjoyed the honest human element as well!
Bout 10 years ago a neighbor lumber jack hung his saw. Tree set back on it. No way in the world it was gonna fall the way he wanted. Branch heavy to an out shed. He called me to see if I had any wedges to pound in. Lol. I knew the tree and knew the lean from my house. I got there and found out he left it that way for a week Saw hanging out. I have a short 20 ton Jack I use for changing air bags on semis in my service truck. We cut a hole and stuck the Jack in it but we had no top plate. It just sunk in the wood. I'm no lumber jack either. Lol. I got a piece of steel jacked it up enough to get the saw out and touched the cut up. Tree missed the shed but it didn't fall where he was wanting. It fell sideways on the fence. I just left him to clean it up.
Have you personally done this kind of thing before? If not you got no clue. He pounded wedges and cut more tree after that and has been doing it forever and he woundve put his hand in their if it was about to go lol. RUclips is a very comical place because so many people leave comments they really know nothing about but leave a comment like they know best.
Yeah, exactly! I had this guy on my building in miami in 2006. Being being safety personal and all... told him he should tie into the building when he was working on the crane... Nope. "Boy, im 40 years older than you, and been doing this 35 years and never had anything close to an accident. I know what im doing, you stay out of my business! ... anyways, the OSHA rules say i dont have to for this specific job." Alllright.... i said. A few hours later, his son hung off the side of the building, his fall arrester caught him as the crawler broke its piston and slide from the 55th floor to the 39th floor, where the catwalk broke off and the guy fell to his rather gory death... which was was there to see all of. They imported sand to cover the blood and gore, because they couldnt clean it all up. A week later, they were finding pieces of his bones in the yard still. I laugh my fucking ass off everytime someone says something as fucking stupid as what you just said. "I still hear his angsty voice as he said "IVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 35 YEARS BOY!" Yep, and only 35 years. Sucks his son had to watch him fall all the way down and literally splatter against bed of rebar. Some of this sickest shit i have seen my entire life... But you know... go ahead and tell people the same thing this professional told me before he died doing exactly what he said he was going to do, because he had all the experience and me, as a safety worker... didnt know shit about his line of work.
I exageraged on his age i guess. I looked it up, he was 47. He still said what he said, being older and been doing it for 35 years. Always rings in my ears when i hear people sayings its ok to be dangerous because you have experience... its the stupidest commentary you could ever make.
@@Kiba69420 you did talk to the guy still alive after 35 years of working "dangerously" didnt you? It must be working for him, everybody is different. The same rules and techniques that work for some people will slow others down. If your the guy with no safety gear on one wrong move from death some if not all these people like the addrenaline and lazer focus when in that situation and only makes them a better worker, im personaly like this. Everybody is different and doesnt think like you man
Glad there was no sudden breezes springing up, I had a tree on hill side all set to go on an otherwise calm day. Before I finished up a good puff of wind came down the slope catching the canopy and pushed it on to the road below and the power lines too. very messy, I should have rigged a line, no need for equipment in the wrong area if using a block.
Could not wedge it out or force with a machine, and had to apply a fair amount of pressure to jack it. It was not coming out without a fight, so, not too much of a hazard until the last second.
D. Gardiner > Thanks for this statement. A guy needs to be able to access the situation and determine the methods best suited to get the tree/s on the deck.
When the tree starts to drop get the hell out of dodge!!! Having yourself stuck between the back trees and the one your cutting is just asking to get killed! Any tree can kick back on you especially if you know the wood is garbage leave nothing to chance.
I apologize but I worried that the tree would decide to fall when you were around the front checking your cut. You are an exceptional lumber man and my hat is off to you .
An endless line puller or other pulling device is useful in such cases. If the stump isn't your friend and especially with limb lock, puling them is a secure way.
Dennis hi. Right, but this tree was not supposed to go initially. I explained the situation pretty thoroughly in the description area. Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 Yes, thanks. It seems that with your work in the woods mostly, a puller probably isn't a needed item in your kit. For removals around structures and things, and certainly not being quite as skilled as you, I certainly find my Tirfor pullers essential, both the 3/4 ton and 1.8 ton ones. Good for when working alone in some situations, often setting up a pulley block in the lay direction and ideally having the puller near where the cutting is occurring. Good for the cut a little pull a little method when there is back lean to get the tree leaning in the right direction, I find. The time involved when setting up with a puller may not be to one's advantage.
Sorry but this guy is not a very good logger. He's putting himself in danger pinning himself between two trees with no way out. I sure as hell wouldn't want him on my crew.
Those guys really shouldn't be in the tree cutting business. They don't take any safety precautions... I don't know how they survived their first tree job. But they will both lose their lives to the tree business at the rate they are going.
That's a typical example of "what not to do" when cutting down a tree. A beaver wood do a better job than him. I was more worried about him damaging the chainsaw than injuring himself. It would be a pity to damage a good saw!
Friday, quitting time, not climbing to see what branch is holding what, hmmm, what could go wrong? Plus in 28 yrs of climbing , thousands of trees, never had to jamb my hand in a notch.
No offense intended here, but, it's easy to tell those that have little or no experience in nasty old growth on the northern Cali coast. Been hanging off the back side as the tree goes down, inside the goose pen (yah, holding your breath until you can't - eyes burnin) 10 - 12 footers sawing up the far side and back, had to clear in front as they go down more times than I care to remember. Such is pretty common place on the northern Cali coast. D. Gardiner has a post in here to Anthony Greenan's comment that is poignant, might want to check it out. Thanks for watching.
Billy Whyde I totally agree, he was working in a very cluttered area and had the means to clean it up first with that skid steer. I used to work like that many years ago when I was younger, but I've had too many mistakes and learned the hard way. Not only is it dangerous for everybody in the area but you don't look professional.
I'm sorry my friend, but you are mistaken. This is not a tight area to be working in. The following is a semi-tight place to working in, at least as far as Humboldt Co. redwood country goes. ruclips.net/video/m1XP5LAGmWc/видео.html This was another interesting Humboldt County spot. ruclips.net/video/14qDxLwXjPY/видео.html And by all means Do Not watch this one. ruclips.net/video/_eAFRAaireQ/видео.html These are just a few of the many tight places I took the time to film. Have a Blessed day.
i have cut a lot of wood but most is down and i like it that way, does not take much of a tree to end your life.seemed like a long time for the tree to come down but i know nothing about the type of woods your in. was very interesting to watch.
To many people to close to the tree 🌲 not safe stay back Even when tree is down every body should not walk up to the stump right away it is still a hazard. There are other trees 🌲 a arm length away with hazards in them Also never turn your back on the tree when cut by filling your saw bad place to fill your saw. Also you do not need a distraction by a guy always saying hey jack while cutting Imagine jack. Next to a wood chipper. I’m just saying
Right?? I was cringing every time. Granted I'm no professional but anybody with half a brain will do enough research to understand this is a big no no. This guy is far too complacent
Give me a break. You been doing this awhile you know when a tree is going to be taking off. You got plenty of time to get out of the way if you're always on alert
Its obvious the center of gravity for this tree is hard to spot, if you don't walk around it a few times, its clumped in with other trees, it's Friday, it's quitting time. But putting on my gear and tying a150' 5/8 rope about 50 ft up is probably what I would have done.
Funny to read all these bad replies, where you supposed to clear all the other trees in a100 foot radius so you had an excape route? Never walk in front of the tree? I could do the chicken dance before it hit the ground. Good job. No house killed during this video.
What was all the fuss? Use a higher back cut and a use the plunge cut method release the hinge on the further side and bingo, done without all that fussing around. Whith that type cut you can actually get a tree to fall aginst it's natral lean or even spin on to fall towards a side way angle. I learned that method way back working with the for the Forest Service and it has served me well on dificult lays. It's a great method to learn, for sure.
Check the Soft Dutchmen, or the Ultra Soft Dutchmen video. We're schwing 'em around..... As a side note, I'm wondering if you ever cut down a redwood tree? We are not dealing with tough hinge "wood" in general, with this species of tree. It is a little better here in this location with these trees than some areas though. I showed, on purpose, the stump afterward. Only about 4" of good or tough/stringy hinge wood. If you are dealing with a tree that has strong/tough wood across the entire hinge then maybe you might try and swing it. Trying what you suggest in this locating with a redwood tree (that is quite limb bound) might = bingo, I just nailed the guy's house. Thanks for watching.
You can tell by looking at the stump that this is a doubletree. Both trees cannot grow straight. More than likely neither of the trees was balanced. The tree he was cutting did not want to go in the direction which he wanted it to go because it grew leaning away from the other tree. Use ropes to pull it toward the direction in which you want it to fall.I would guestimate at least 2,000 lbs of tension on the ropes.
My email for saws/saw work is in the description area of most of the latest videos. But just in case, danger_cat@rocketmail.com Thanks, and for watching as well.
as a tree climber I hate people telling me what to do after the fact but I would have put a rope come along in it put tension on it then cut a box use the second rope to put a second Come Along on it and it was slingshot
Hello. I guess that is what we are trying to showcase here. One way to deal with a problem tree without a rope, chain, straw line, etc. Would it have been easier to put a line in it - surely. Does that way require more skill or less? Thanks for watching.
They are technically a 372xpw. The factory made a few 375xp stickers 6 - 8 years ago. I currently have a brand new 372xpw and an extremely low hour 372xpw if you are interested. Thanks for watching.
Monte hi. To the landowner yes it was. For me, it was an uber pain. Sometimes a guy does extra work so the property owner is well pleased in the end. Thanks for watching.
After 28 yrs of climbing and felling, I've never had to put my hand in the notch, especially after 1/2 the back cut is through.When the center of gravity is questionable, putting a rope 50 to 60 ft up , and or clearing a spot for a bobcat push behind the tree is usually done prior to even getting close to the back cut, but hey, who am I ?
Instead of using a jack in the slot (takes lot of force). Why not using a tow-strap and "wire jack" and pull the tree in the direction needed? Is it to avoid climbing 10 meters with the strap?
ralorpa hi. That jack puts out 26 tons at 10,000 psi. ~ 12 at 15k psi. That is more than it takes to lift a log truck load of logs, so the power is there. Addressed the pull concept in the description. Thanks for watching.
Hope ya don't think I was being critical, I didn't mean it to sound that way. I'd just used that plung cut method for years and when I mention it to many people I'd consider to be good sawyers,,,they look at me like I have a third eye!!! LOL! They had never heard of it before. It's bailed me out on many a awkward cuts around buildings and such. By what I could tell it looked like a good canidate, but then I wasn' there to see the lay. Hence my coment. I have cut Redwood before, alot. I was a A level sawyer with the Forest Service for over 20 years and went all over on forest fire details as a sawyer, so I've run into most everything out there. Your right on the hinge strength from species to species, for sure. But anyone tackling larger trees best be knowing what there doing It's not a job for amitures. That plunge cut will definatly bail you out on a tough lay, but if your cutting comercially it's not used much at all, just to get out of tough spots or handle a bad lay mostly. You'll loose a good foot, foot and a half using it. Great for tough cuts around buildings and lines though,, it's the "cats ass",,the couple foot loss be damned in those cases !! If your familular with it and proficent with it it might make a good vedio topic sense it seems to me many people haven't even heard of it before. I sure couldn't sense I'm not a savy tech guy at all and a disabled beat up 67yo , old fart ,I'd probibly do one. I may have missed many of your vedios so you may have covered this but not sure? May have missed ? It sure looks like your in a beatuful area though, most people that have never worked in the woods for a living just don't know what there missing ,do they ? Hard on the body, but I never grew tired of it. Here in VT we don't run into much old growth anymore though and most everything is less that 24ish for the most part. You'll run into the ocasional 6' Maple or Oak but not so much now a days. Somehow I still seem to keep getting con-ed into dropping trees for folks though, no problem. They have to do the rest though, I'm to decrepid now for tree work,, but I'm glad to drop a toughy for them. Good talking with ya,,,,,,
I am second generation logger in BC helped pack four fallers out the bush who all died later.Today all fallers have to certified. i sure see why lots more need to be certified after watching this.that was not a good job
A pedigree may be of importance for you, but it has no bearing whatsoever for a timberfaller. It is the type of intellect that is given a man by our Father - some guys get it and some don't. Similarly, some people are, let's say, electrical engineers. Been there too and have helped pack guys out - never a good thing. You hope that their wife's and children will be looked after. Seen some interesting things from your BC guys as well. Makes for some good video, but also ups the ante in the risky department. Have to wonder if the "geared into submission" certified guys have trouble getting that extra 1/2 step to clear in an emergency situation because they are just that - geared into submission. This will not make any since unless you have been in a serious brush hole laden with all the "safety equipment", rain gear, wedge belt, etc., etc. and had "things" go bad. Which, no matter how careful, cautious, and thoughtful a guy is, those aforementioned "things" do go bad. If, by destiny, we don't make it home from work, it's because Our Father controls the time of our passing. At that place in time we could be on the couch, in a car, at one of our kids games, or at work. We do have one thing in common here. It is that neither one of us know the "when". As a side note, there seems to be a fair amount of know-it-alls that visit this video. I.M.H.O., it takes a lot of gall to, while having not been there to survey the situation, tell another they are not "doing it" right. Especially when they have nary a video posted themselves.......
@@hotsaws101 Damn, you've just shown that you're as dumb as that tree cutter. Never seen anyone so incompetent as him!!!! Scarfed nicely then main cut way to low then blamed the tree........ in between did so many absolutely stupid things I am still cringing! And then you have the gall to use God as his excuse!!!! There is no excuse for Dumb!
I will say I was a bit tense watching this. As it turned out the upper part of the tree was not at all as limb bound as I was thinking. I certainly did not like that mess of leaning trees at the base. I am so glad this went well.
Wow, this comments section is just ridiculous. I also work in the woods of Northern Cali and am familiar with what cutters and loggers in general have to battle out here everyday, especially out in the steep and rugged ground between Trinity county and the redwood country. This wasn't exactly a "tight" situation like some here are making it out to be.
I had a 6 inch limb growing into a high tension power line, and the power company kept putting me off. I was actually afraid to go near the tree. I thought it would take more than one shot from my 45/70 to take that limb down, but it didn't.
My buddy "Mean Gene" from the Tag Team vid did the same on the big fir at his mom's house about 20 years ago. There have been trees that, I thought NO WAY are they going to come out, never even hesitate and others that did not look like the limbs were even touching require a Silvey to kill. It's a crap shoot sometimes - something that is experienced not thought about. Thanks for the input, and for watching.
oh, hey just one more tree..... haha! good work and a test of a man when the heats on ! I missed God's Green Earth on this one brother..... Glory to The KING OF KINGS
Almost is for horse shoes and hand grenades! Love watching fellers use the conventional notch. Good job keep a level head and don't stress. always be in charge never guess. Nice job Jack. The urban forester in me says don't be a dope use a rope!
40 some years ago I was called to come and cut some large (3'-5') Western Red Cedar trees that were partially hollow. When I looked them over I told them it was beyond my skill level. They kind of laughed at me and went on to do it themselves. It killed one man and hurt another. It gets tricky and always dicey.
skinner B > Thanks for this reply. Having an idea of what you can do comes, at times, from what you have already done. The more of the "tricky" situations encountered, the more your knowledge base is broadened. This is the experience factor.
There is NO substitute for experience!
It is equally important to know your limits - agreed. I try and show one way to skin a cat with the tools immediately available with the hopes of exactly what you posted.
Thanks again!
Great call. You saved yourself and possibly any green horns working with you. Good job.
Brian Skinner q
It's never been a matter of skill for me, just how much money customer wants to spend.But I have walked away from suicide/ property risk jobs.
In the words of an old fella who lived here years ago,"Sometimes , the best jobs out there, are the ones you never do."
In my opinion one of your best video Jack, it shows exactly what is the reality of work, what it means working in stressing conditions and taking decisions in a short period of time when felling trees. I am a professional feller in UK, admire your style and skills and I am always learning something from your work. Thank you man.
Marco hi. You nailed it with the reality concept. It's when the curve ball comes in and what a guy does with it. IF a guy fells much then he will encounter the situations that are impossible the plan for (shown here). The measure is what is done in those scenarios and knowing one or a few possible outcomes based on experience.
Thanks for watching and blessing for this day.
I know this is an older video but I just wanna say that I'm glad you're humble and politely forgiving to the keyboard warriors/safety police on RUclips especially after scrolling through the comments and seeing the ignorance of the commentors
Corey hi. Thanks for the post. I guess it is a matter of grace on my part. I think most have never even seen a redwood tree let alone plied their hand at dealing with a clump of them. I did add a long explanation in the description. But, I fear to many just "shoot from the hip" and don't even bother asking questions. No way are we going to spend a few minutes educating ourselves by reading what the curator has to say......
Thanks for watching.
Totally agree with you Corey ! Easy for a man to say I can do that , from hundreds of miles away ! I can honestly say I've never got into a redwood cluster before(mind you I am one of the men that would love a crack at it!) By the judge of the root rot in the other stump ,pucker factor increases ten fold ! I'm surprised that it held on the stump as well as it did ! That live wood is fibrous ,it's like a Red elm around my area .. would a Humboldt have helped get the crown moving a little easier in hind site ? I understand the stump ahead made it tough for that because the butt would drop rather then fold on to with a conventional .
@@joelnash5692hi.
I don't really know if it would have made a difference on which style of undercut was used because these trees were a little bit tougher on the stump than most reds. You do risk jacking it forward off the hinge in this case with a real Humboldt since it was healed/held back in the top. Not the same dynamic as if they just lean back.
Undercut choice is going to be be for timing and/or holding and/or moving purposes at the butt once the tree was taking flight, breaking wood, falling.
Thanks for watching.
I’ve enjoyed many of your videos and learnt from them as I don’t cut many redwoods. I’m just as impressed with your grace when replying to the ignorant comments as I am with your skills. Bet you’re a brilliant father, patient and calm. The kind that only comes with vast experience. Well done from the UK. People please read the description and watch some of his other videos ( dangercat1 ) before being negative, thanks
Richard hi.
I thought about your post "fir a minute".
I think that this channel attracts the viewers that are more on the cerebral side. I think that they are capable of discerning the wheat from the chaff.
I know from both filming and then viewing the footage that what "you" have is a limited understanding of the entire field of view.
My premise - those that know make the appropriate comments. Those that don't know, well, they also make the appropriate comments.
Sometimes my response nets me the idea that I may end up like Moses - not making it into the Promised Land.
Probably qualify a fair father.
In the end, Grace gets executed on my cranium daily, minutely, all the time. I have no business not doing my best to do the same to others.
Thanks for the thoughts & watching.
Well, it's what they call a "falling difficulty". If you work in the woods it's gonna happen from time to time, even when you try to prepare for everything. Wood is very unpredictable to say the least. And finally, I believe I can safely say, that Jack knows who his Savior truly is and He helps keep Jack safe, cos Jack trusts Him, and I find that truly refreshing. God Bless you Jack every day!
You can tell 99% of these people have never spent no time on the saw going by there comments. Good job Jack. Enjoy watching you. Hooktender from Buckley wa
You can tell most of these people haven’t spent no time on the saw going by there comments. Good job Jack. Enjoy watching you. Hooktender from Buckley wa
Sooooooo GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN WORKING!!! I thought something happened to you!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS!!!!!!
This guy has more experience and knowledge than most of us who are commenting have combined. I was really impressed at how he accomplished the job even when the unknown problems manifested. Even with a tree jack I would have given up for the day. And for sticking his hand in to feel the hinge, it would be suicidal for me but not for someone like him who has felled tens of thousands of large ones and knows when it's close to closing. It makes me laugh at all of the negative comments from people who obviously have no real experience but think they know better than a master logger. Cheers!
Great work. This is one of the best fallers I have ever seen so far. Thanks
Watch Logger WADE. Cotton top 3 . Be safe.
I lived in the bush in B.C. for 6 yrs felling trees and building log cabins. The first thing I learned was to know your limitations as a feller. This tree would have been well beyond my skill level and dangerous to any but an expert feller.....nicely done! This tree was a bitch and you made it look relatively easy.
I would've been sweating big time Jack, nice recovery and response to an unexpected situation. I think you're right, a pull line up high with the tomcat would've made things a lot easier and faster. I don't have your skill or experience so any questionable trees around targets like houses or power lines get a pull line. For those asking how you get a line up in the tree, a lead shot filled throw bag connected to a small diameter throw line is launched with a large slingshot or air cannon, then a larger rope is pulled in. God bless and keep you Jack!
I'm glad to see that you can admit you get stressed out a little too I always get nervous when falling timber around homes especially when home owner is watching. good job way to keep your confidence
At 4'30" I already had to take a cra-ap. I've always built good clear escape routes. I'm an old man, and my escape routes have got to be a lot better now, and I'll holler for help a lot sooner than I'da once done. Puk-puk-puk--paDAAAA-kut! Yeah, I'm Chickenman! But I'm in my 8th decade, too!
villagelightsmith I subscribed, my friend.
I fell a bunch of trees ! Don't matter how many I do it still scares the shit out of me every time !!!
good keeps you paying attention
Great job Jack 👏🏾 👍🏾 👌🏾
great technical problem solving. hindsight is 20/20 and foresight is dim. really like to see others work thru problems I may encounter, good to have tracks to follow. landed it where you intended and not by accident, much to learn here. thank you and carry on.
Thanks.
Kinda a tricky tree. "That's why you call Jack".
Outstanding work as always sir, especially with a broken ankle.
I am an amateur at felling trees and have a question for Jack or any of the experienced professional fallers that might happen to see this.
My question is is about wedging and how to calculate horizontal forward movement at the top of a tree by wedging the kerf at the back of the tree.
For example- how much would a 1" wedge move the top of a 100ft tree?
Ronald hi.
The top's movement length would depend upon the diameter of the tree and depth of the undercut - which directly correlates to the distance from the hinge to the outside edge of the backcut where the wedge is placed.
Until those are a known quantity there is no way to determine what you seek.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 Thanks Jack, I figured there might he more to the equation.
I did like a shot in the dark Google search and came up with good info that jives with your explanation.
It broke it the tree into "segments" which is the distance from the front of the hinge to the far back edge of the tree (where a single wedge would be placed) in feet...it went on to say to divide the height of the tree in feet by the length of one segment which then gives you the total number of vertical segments in the tree...that number of vertical segments is the amount of forward lean or push in inches that 1 inch of lift at the back edge of the tree will create.
Example: 2ft dia, 100ft tall tree with a standard 1/3 face cut-
One segment= 2/3×2= 1.333
Total vertical segments= 100÷1.333=75
Total forward movement created by 1" of wedge= 75 inches.
I would consider that a maximum since it doesn't take into account things like kerf thickness, compression of the wood fibers of the tree, etc.
It also went on to say that forward movement can be increased with a given amount of lift by placing wedges closer to the hinge which mathematically decreases the segment length which increases the number of segments in the tree...that method puts the wedges at a mechanical disadvantage due to less torque (for lack of a better word) due to less distance from the wedge to the pivot point or front of the hinge.
Does all that sound right to you?
@@hotsaws101 Thanks Jack, I figured there was probably more to the equation.
I found some info via Google that jived with what you said- it basically broke a tree into segments which is the distance from the front of the hinge to the back of the tree.
Example: 2ft dia, 100 ft tall tree with standard 1/3 face cut-
2ft x 2/3= 1.333= one segment...
Forward movement at the top of the tree created by 1 inch of lift from a wedge at the back of the tree= 100÷1.333= 75 inches.
Does that sound right not taking into account things like compression of wood fibers, etc.
I guess that assumes that the tree is cut off flush with the ground, would probably be more accurate to use the tree height above the stump instead of total tree height.
Instesting stuff regardless.
I thought I lost my first reply while editing so I'm gonna leave my condensed reply up too for fear of losing them both.
Good job man, i would hire you any day. Ignore all these stupid comments. That was one stubborn tree
Jamie hi. Yes it was and thanks for posting, because you have an understanding, both your observations . I had one this fall that broke the hinge wood and went straight up - like they do a lot in redwood country fairly often. Thanks for watching.
I agree but hot saws would you give some credance to the health and safety comentry .i from other posts you focus a lot on this .
@@liammulligan4355 hi. Some of the following is in a response to another viewer as well to let you know.
This is one way to fall a tree in this situation. That is the gist of the video.
Most people do not read the description and shoot from the hip on this video. Much is spelled out in there.
A fair amount of the comments are "just get a rope".
Well, I did not have a rope or some straw line - it is spelled out in the description why. The "rope concept" is a great idea, if there is one, that is capable, handy.
This situation (i.e. clumps), on the Northern Cali Coast anyway, is a pretty regular occurrence. I've worked on hundreds over the years. Several on this day on this landowners property. 99% of the time a guy is in a cat, or worse, the bottom of a deep, dark yarder block and there is no option of equipment lending a helping hand. So a guy has to get creative sometimes.
If your going to be a bushler in this neighborhood then you better be able to deal with this type of situation on your own, all by yourself, or you will never survive or make a living.
As far as dealing with clumps, was it a pain because of the structures and people, you bet. Was it super gnarly or complicated, no it was not. Actually, in comparison to some clumps I've handled personally, it was a little like child's play, sans the possible obstacles of course.
Until someone has actually walked in a fallers chalks in that neck of the woods they really lack a lot of understanding. But, it does not seem to dissuade a lot of misinformed commentary though.
As far a safety, I never said or referenced that this was the "mostest & bestest" way to get a tree on the ground in this situation. But,,, it went exactly where it needed to hit, it missed the three out buildings, the garage, the house, the people, the tomcat, and myself.
I posted this video because I was partially underequipped (again, spelled out in the description) by some standards. Not necessarily mine, and still managed, with the help of our Father who art in Heaven, to get it on the ground without a mishap.
Thanks for watching.
Great determination on the wood!
I enjoy your videos Jack. You respect the wood and you have the wisdom to caution yourself. As well as always staying open to all possibilitys!
I could watch this content all day long!!! Thank you for the time you put into the description!!!
18:16 that bark-seam is a real design flaw of those trees. I wonder what nature was thinking at the time ;-)
BikeTrikeNTrail hi. The redwoods are more like a weed than a tree. They will grow back if cut off (regardless of the height of the stump) immediately. Just about impossible to kill. Bark seems are all over and some times completely enclosed inside the bole. I just about miss my shot with a 6' oldgrowth one time when it had an oblong patch of bark completely engulfed in the hinge. Of course if was opposite the side lean and about a foot long. The tree started forward and just popped sideways about 3'. It hit close enough for the cat to still grapple but it did not hit where I wanted it to.
I also fell some large oldgrowth trees where the bark actually hinges just like the sap and heart wood - with the bark even pulling slivers like what a guy will see sometimes with the sap and heart wood.
Blessing on this day.
I read more about redwoods, inspired by your description - and I found, that they are special and unique in a lot of ways - just like you are :-)
I often wonder why some people pass fast and unfair judgement - as they seem to do in this video on a far greater than average frequency.
Anybody, that bothers can see the greatness of your legacy, that you put into all your videos, each one filled with your long and vast experience.
Thanks, but this is a relatively normal happenstance in Redwood Country. Many locals have and do deal with similar if not exactly the same. Those that don't understand or have never been in redwood clump make the comments as such. Everyone knows who they are. The ones that do "get it", whether from similar experience or a good understanding of physics, make the appropriate commentary. It's to bad that few seem to read the description first, most is already addressed there.....
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for writing the intro stuff for your videos, gives extra insight, sometimes I get some from the comments.. not so much on this one!! Seems you reached a wide audience with that title :)
Your creativity and resolve are surely not in question! I did give myself a firm demand not to chance it with sideleaning limb tied trees after sweating through the vid. Thanks
Yeah this was a good video! Thanks for posting
Nice work Thanks.. I also use skid steer to push alot.
I use hydraulic Jack and heavy come along to push pull in suburban long island NY.
Houses everywhere power lines etc
Ignore negative comments... typical
friggin crazy how it held on. luck was on your side bud.
I cut logs up in Wa state. I do these types of jobs when I’m not busy production cutting; I’ll say that gypo logging around a house can be stupid risky because It’s difficult to tell a landowner that their tree needs to be climbed, or needs a shovel behind It, or too dangerous to put a saw in etc. I ran into a similar scenario last week. Great job performing under the stress and getting it down jack!
Tom hi.
You must have balls of steel then...
I concur with the "I need bigger gear" concept in these scenarios.
And, I also agree with your thought on not being able to get the landowners "up to speed" easily.
The "you made it look simple enough so far" is what a guy is up against.
I do appreciate your commentary.
Thank you "fir" watching.
awesome job, as mentioned before, one of the best fellers.
and yes I mean fellas and fellers, jerk with a saw is just that, this guy seems like a great person too. not many left.
diesel dummy
You're made of some strong stuff: didn't realize about the ankle until reading the desc. Really impressed with your work/ability to keep a cool head. I may be in contact soon about some port work :)
All the best and happy holidays (2020) from Santa Rosa
Edit: lol this comment section...
I felt your stress on this one brother. Been there done that! Thank you Lord!
How is he still alive.
Unfortunately jack will probably get squished between a tree in the near future because he doesn't respect the tree enough, and then no one will be calling jack sheet.
To the average guy it might look "almost wrong", to the expert it was part of his job.
T wagner hi. Well put. Thanks for this post.
All I see here is a whole mess of unsafe practices.
Amen to that!
Another thought occurs to me. What do guys do for jacks now that Silvey is out of business?
Jim hi..
Borntrager makes one version of the self-contained "Hi-Jacker" at 53 tons. I think that the pressure is really high compared to the 10,000 psi Ray always had his jacks rated at.
Salt Creek (home of Simington grinders) makes one also. Their's is 45 tons. That is rated at a higher pressure than the Silvey as well.
I don't think that their is a smaller self-contained version (new) available currently, but I have one and haven't needed to look for one either.
My Featherweight lifts 26 tons at 10,000 psi. It fits where the "Hi-Hacker", or the clones, won't engage the heart wood properly.
Thanks for watching.
Nice saw, and nicely done.
Finally a new video! Great as always hotsaws!
Been watching this channel for a while and for those saying he needs a new job, you're crazy. Watch all his work and then you'll see why he is calm and not freaking out.
Caden hi. Thanks for the observance and having the inclination to say so.
Thing is every tree will behave slightly different. He took too many chances!
New sub here...love watching your great videos. Nice work here controlling a haz sitch! You maitained control and safety by utilizing the proper tools and methods based on experience. Job well done my firend. Enjoyed the honest human element as well!
Bout 10 years ago a neighbor lumber jack hung his saw. Tree set back on it. No way in the world it was gonna fall the way he wanted. Branch heavy to an out shed. He called me to see if I had any wedges to pound in. Lol. I knew the tree and knew the lean from my house. I got there and found out he left it that way for a week Saw hanging out. I have a short 20 ton Jack I use for changing air bags on semis in my service truck. We cut a hole and stuck the Jack in it but we had no top plate. It just sunk in the wood. I'm no lumber jack either. Lol. I got a piece of steel jacked it up enough to get the saw out and touched the cut up. Tree missed the shed but it didn't fall where he was wanting. It fell sideways on the fence. I just left him to clean it up.
Amazing job
Wow.. Now that was a close call. I thought something was about to go wrong!!
My thought after the first four minutes? I hope you have a very good insurance policy. Both liability and health. You will need it.
4:59 mate, are you wanting to lose your hand?
You're joking right.
Have you personally done this kind of thing before? If not you got no clue. He pounded wedges and cut more tree after that and has been doing it forever and he woundve put his hand in their if it was about to go lol. RUclips is a very comical place because so many people leave comments they really know nothing about but leave a comment like they know best.
Yeah, exactly!
I had this guy on my building in miami in 2006. Being being safety personal and all... told him he should tie into the building when he was working on the crane... Nope. "Boy, im 40 years older than you, and been doing this 35 years and never had anything close to an accident. I know what im doing, you stay out of my business! ... anyways, the OSHA rules say i dont have to for this specific job." Alllright.... i said. A few hours later, his son hung off the side of the building, his fall arrester caught him as the crawler broke its piston and slide from the 55th floor to the 39th floor, where the catwalk broke off and the guy fell to his rather gory death... which was was there to see all of.
They imported sand to cover the blood and gore, because they couldnt clean it all up. A week later, they were finding pieces of his bones in the yard still.
I laugh my fucking ass off everytime someone says something as fucking stupid as what you just said. "I still hear his angsty voice as he said "IVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 35 YEARS BOY!" Yep, and only 35 years. Sucks his son had to watch him fall all the way down and literally splatter against bed of rebar. Some of this sickest shit i have seen my entire life... But you know... go ahead and tell people the same thing this professional told me before he died doing exactly what he said he was going to do, because he had all the experience and me, as a safety worker... didnt know shit about his line of work.
I exageraged on his age i guess. I looked it up, he was 47. He still said what he said, being older and been doing it for 35 years. Always rings in my ears when i hear people sayings its ok to be dangerous because you have experience... its the stupidest commentary you could ever make.
@@Kiba69420 you did talk to the guy still alive after 35 years of working "dangerously" didnt you? It must be working for him, everybody is different. The same rules and techniques that work for some people will slow others down. If your the guy with no safety gear on one wrong move from death some if not all these people like the addrenaline and lazer focus when in that situation and only makes them a better worker, im personaly like this. Everybody is different and doesnt think like you man
Glad there was no sudden breezes springing up, I had a tree on hill side all set to go on an otherwise calm day. Before I finished up a good puff of wind came down the slope catching the canopy and pushed it on to the road below and the power lines too. very messy, I should have rigged a line, no need for equipment in the wrong area if using a block.
Wut da hell he put a jack on da back and then walked around front ....God is mercifull
Sometimes You make your own luck!🤞
Never walk in front of the tree after doing the back cut
Could not wedge it out or force with a machine, and had to apply a fair amount of pressure to jack it. It was not coming out without a fight, so, not too much of a hazard until the last second.
Never thoughtlessly regurgitate rules without thinking of the reasoning behind them.
D. Gardiner > Thanks for this statement. A guy needs to be able to access the situation and determine the methods best suited to get the tree/s on the deck.
Asses!
agreed - have cut a few trees down - never trust it when its been cut that much!
That was close to doing what it wanted to all on its own!
When the tree starts to drop get the hell out of dodge!!! Having yourself stuck between the back trees and the one your cutting is just asking to get killed! Any tree can kick back on you especially if you know the wood is garbage leave nothing to chance.
At 4:30 on Friday, I'd be telling the land owner.............SEE YA NEXT WEEK!!
bbigrocker1 That tree ain't going no where..see yah monday bud!
I apologize but I worried that the tree would decide to fall when you were around the front checking your cut. You are an exceptional lumber man and my hat is off to you .
An endless line puller or other pulling device is useful in such cases. If the stump isn't your friend and especially with limb lock, puling them is a secure way.
Dennis hi. Right, but this tree was not supposed to go initially.
I explained the situation pretty thoroughly in the description area.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 Yes, thanks. It seems that with your work in the woods mostly, a puller probably isn't a needed item in your kit. For removals around structures and things, and certainly not being quite as skilled as you, I certainly find my Tirfor pullers essential, both the 3/4 ton and 1.8 ton ones. Good for when working alone in some situations, often setting up a pulley block in the lay direction and ideally having the puller near where the cutting is occurring. Good for the cut a little pull a little method when there is back lean to get the tree leaning in the right direction, I find. The time involved when setting up with a puller may not be to one's advantage.
Sorry but this guy is not a very good logger. He's putting himself in danger pinning himself between two trees with no way out. I sure as hell wouldn't want him on my crew.
Those guys really shouldn't be in the tree cutting business. They don't take any safety precautions... I don't know how they survived their first tree job. But they will both lose their lives to the tree business at the rate they are going.
That's a typical example of "what not to do" when cutting down a tree. A beaver wood do a better job than him. I was more worried about him damaging the chainsaw than injuring himself. It would be a pity to damage a good saw!
I agree, he shouldnt have a chainsaw permit
David Hunt lmaoooooo “permit”... where do you live that requires a permit for a chainsaw
VetteguyC6 our first clue ...look we got us a new saw ....let’s see how it runs ...no warm up ...fkn rookies live to tell a story
Nice job bro...Here in the northeast we get our big oaks which get jumpy but it's nothin like northin cali/Oregon.. More power to yah stay safe
Friday, quitting time, not climbing to see what branch is holding what, hmmm, what could go wrong? Plus in 28 yrs of climbing , thousands of trees, never had to jamb my hand in a notch.
Rule #1 never ever put yourself in a position where your escape route is blocked or cluttered.
No offense intended here, but, it's easy to tell those that have little or no experience in nasty old growth on the northern Cali coast.
Been hanging off the back side as the tree goes down, inside the goose pen (yah, holding your breath until you can't - eyes burnin) 10 - 12 footers sawing up the far side and back, had to clear in front as they go down more times than I care to remember. Such is pretty common place on the northern Cali coast.
D. Gardiner has a post in here to Anthony Greenan's comment that is poignant, might want to check it out.
Thanks for watching.
Billy Whyde I totally agree, he was working in a very cluttered area and had the means to clean it up first with that skid steer. I used to work like that many years ago when I was younger, but I've had too many mistakes and learned the hard way. Not only is it dangerous for everybody in the area but you don't look professional.
I'm sorry my friend, but you are mistaken. This is not a tight area to be working in. The following is a semi-tight place to working in, at least as far as Humboldt Co. redwood country goes.
ruclips.net/video/m1XP5LAGmWc/видео.html
This was another interesting Humboldt County spot. ruclips.net/video/14qDxLwXjPY/видео.html
And by all means Do Not watch this one. ruclips.net/video/_eAFRAaireQ/видео.html
These are just a few of the many tight places I took the time to film.
Have a Blessed day.
i have cut a lot of wood but most is down and i like it that way, does not take much of a tree to end your life.seemed like a long time for the tree to come down but i know nothing about the type of woods your in. was very interesting to watch.
Billy Whyde
Yep.
Can't tell these guys nothing.
They'll learn someday, or not.
To many people to close to the tree 🌲 not safe stay back Even when tree is down every body should not walk up to the stump right away it is still a hazard. There are other trees 🌲 a arm length away with hazards in them Also never turn your back on the tree when cut by filling your saw bad place to fill your saw. Also you do not need a distraction by a guy always saying hey jack while cutting Imagine jack. Next to a wood chipper. I’m just saying
Nice job, I was with you the whole time
One day that walking back n forth 'under' a tree, is going to catch up with you.
Right?? I was cringing every time. Granted I'm no professional but anybody with half a brain will do enough research to understand this is a big no no. This guy is far too complacent
Not sure why he was doing it but jack is definitely one of the best.
Give me a break. You been doing this awhile you know when a tree is going to be taking off. You got plenty of time to get out of the way if you're always on alert
@@sentradynamics8889 a big No-No? It's actually pretty common. Just looks scary to the inexperienced
Great job Awesome one Jack.
Can't believe this guy keeps stepping into the bite.
bight
I don't think he could get around the other way.
Its obvious the center of gravity for this tree is hard to spot, if you don't walk around it a few times, its clumped in with other trees, it's Friday, it's quitting time. But putting on my gear and tying a150' 5/8 rope about 50 ft up is probably what I would have done.
Well done with a broken ankle.
Funny to read all these bad replies, where you supposed to clear all the other trees in a100 foot radius so you had an excape route? Never walk in front of the tree? I could do the chicken dance before it hit the ground. Good job. No house killed during this video.
I hope you made something very big and very strong as this is one tough mother
What was all the fuss? Use a higher back cut and a use the plunge cut method release the hinge on the further side and bingo, done without all that fussing around. Whith that type cut you can actually get a tree to fall aginst it's natral lean or even spin on to fall towards a side way angle. I learned that method way back working with the for the Forest Service and it has served me well on dificult lays. It's a great method to learn, for sure.
Check the Soft Dutchmen, or the Ultra Soft Dutchmen video. We're schwing 'em around.....
As a side note, I'm wondering if you ever cut down a redwood tree?
We are not dealing with tough hinge "wood" in general, with this species of tree. It is a little better here in this location with these trees than some areas though. I showed, on purpose, the stump afterward. Only about 4" of good or tough/stringy hinge wood. If you are dealing with a tree that has strong/tough wood across the entire hinge then maybe you might try and swing it. Trying what you suggest in this locating with a redwood tree (that is quite limb bound) might = bingo, I just nailed the guy's house.
Thanks for watching.
22 minutes i will never get back
He's a saw "blipper".. likes playing with the trigger..
Tree was saying. I'm not going down without a fight. Lol
What purpose does Jack's hardhat serve?
You can tell by looking at the stump that this is a doubletree. Both trees cannot grow straight. More than likely neither of the trees was balanced. The tree he was cutting did not want to go in the direction which he wanted it to go because it grew leaning away from the other tree. Use ropes to pull it toward the direction in which you want it to fall.I would guestimate at least 2,000 lbs of tension on the ropes.
nice job Jack how do I get hold of you I would like to bye one of your built Stihl saws
My email for saws/saw work is in the description area of most of the latest videos. But just in case, danger_cat@rocketmail.com
Thanks, and for watching as well.
biggest thing I ever cut down was maybe 10". Watching this I thought sure he was going to die.
as a tree climber I hate people telling me what to do after the fact but I would have put a rope come along in it put tension on it then cut a box use the second rope to put a second Come Along on it and it was slingshot
Hello. I guess that is what we are trying to showcase here. One way to deal with a problem tree without a rope, chain, straw line, etc. Would it have been easier to put a line in it - surely. Does that way require more skill or less?
Thanks for watching.
Karel Van Leer same here tree climber for years. I never fell big ones close to structures. Better safe than. Sorry
where did you get a husqvarna 375xp never seen one nor can i find one anywhere for sale.
They are technically a 372xpw. The factory made a few 375xp stickers 6 - 8 years ago. I currently have a brand new 372xpw and an extremely low hour 372xpw if you are interested. Thanks for watching.
Safety third...
So was it still worth cutting down ??
Monte hi. To the landowner yes it was. For me, it was an uber pain. Sometimes a guy does extra work so the property owner is well pleased in the end.
Thanks for watching.
TITLE: HOW NOT TO CUT DOWN A TREE!
It's an art.
Great video was worried there for a minute
Thanks for sharing this
After 28 yrs of climbing and felling, I've never had to put my hand in the notch, especially after 1/2 the back cut is through.When the center of gravity is questionable, putting a rope 50 to 60 ft up , and or clearing a spot for a bobcat push behind the tree is usually done prior to even getting close to the back cut, but hey, who am I ?
Instead of using a jack in the slot (takes lot of force).
Why not using a tow-strap and "wire jack" and pull the tree in the direction needed?
Is it to avoid climbing 10 meters with the strap?
ralorpa hi. That jack puts out 26 tons at 10,000 psi. ~ 12 at 15k psi. That is more than it takes to lift a log truck load of logs, so the power is there.
Addressed the pull concept in the description.
Thanks for watching.
This is pretty much how to not do it. Extremely dangerous to the whole process
Hope ya don't think I was being critical, I didn't mean it to sound that way. I'd just used that plung cut method for years and when I mention it to many people I'd consider to be good sawyers,,,they look at me like I have a third eye!!! LOL! They had never heard of it before. It's bailed me out on many a awkward cuts around buildings and such. By what I could tell it looked like a good canidate, but then I wasn' there to see the lay. Hence my coment.
I have cut Redwood before, alot. I was a A level sawyer with the Forest Service for over 20 years and went all over on forest fire details as a sawyer, so I've run into most everything out there. Your right on the hinge strength from species to species, for sure. But anyone tackling larger trees best be knowing what there doing It's not a job for amitures. That plunge cut will definatly bail you out on a tough lay, but if your cutting comercially it's not used much at all, just to get out of tough spots or handle a bad lay mostly. You'll loose a good foot, foot and a half using it. Great for tough cuts around buildings and lines though,, it's the "cats ass",,the couple foot loss be damned in those cases !!
If your familular with it and proficent with it it might make a good vedio topic sense it seems to me many people haven't even heard of it before. I sure couldn't sense I'm not a savy tech guy at all and a disabled beat up 67yo , old fart ,I'd probibly do one. I may have missed many of your vedios so you may have covered this but not sure? May have missed ? It sure looks like your in a beatuful area though, most people that have never worked in the woods for a living just don't know what there missing ,do they ? Hard on the body, but I never grew tired of it.
Here in VT we don't run into much old growth anymore though and most everything is less that 24ish for the most part. You'll run into the ocasional 6' Maple or Oak but not so much now a days. Somehow I still seem to keep getting con-ed into dropping trees for folks though, no problem. They have to do the rest though, I'm to decrepid now for tree work,, but I'm glad to drop a toughy for them.
Good talking with ya,,,,,,
Why is he cutting away the Support (the back) for it to fall forward?
Well done sir, by far one of the best fallers I have ever seen!
Fellars?
You obviously haven't seen many.
Nice sharp chain saw.
What would you do when you've chopped all trees down , then what ha going to do? , because it takes a Very long time for trees that size to grow
I am second generation logger in BC helped pack four fallers out the bush who all died later.Today all fallers have to certified. i sure see why lots more need to be certified after watching this.that was not a good job
A pedigree may be of importance for you, but it has no bearing whatsoever for a timberfaller. It is the type of intellect that is given a man by our Father - some guys get it and some don't. Similarly, some people are, let's say, electrical engineers.
Been there too and have helped pack guys out - never a good thing. You hope that their wife's and children will be looked after.
Seen some interesting things from your BC guys as well. Makes for some good video, but also ups the ante in the risky department. Have to wonder if the "geared into submission" certified guys have trouble getting that extra 1/2 step to clear in an emergency situation because they are just that - geared into submission. This will not make any since unless you have been in a serious brush hole laden with all the "safety equipment", rain gear, wedge belt, etc., etc. and had "things" go bad. Which, no matter how careful, cautious, and thoughtful a guy is, those aforementioned "things" do go bad. If, by destiny, we don't make it home from work, it's because Our Father controls the time of our passing. At that place in time we could be on the couch, in a car, at one of our kids games, or at work. We do have one thing in common here. It is that neither one of us know the "when".
As a side note, there seems to be a fair amount of know-it-alls that visit this video. I.M.H.O., it takes a lot of gall to, while having not been there to survey the situation, tell another they are not "doing it" right. Especially when they have nary a video posted themselves.......
Peter Fredrickson bullshit
Just take all the safe off like the chain guard and the kick back break cause your a real man ! WAA! Your heading for the grave!
@@hotsaws101 Damn, you've just shown that you're as dumb as that tree cutter. Never seen anyone so incompetent as him!!!! Scarfed nicely then main cut way to low then blamed the tree........ in between did so many absolutely stupid things I am still cringing! And then you have the gall to use God as his excuse!!!! There is no excuse for Dumb!
All the unsafe practices are to keep you glued watching. It got you
I will say I was a bit tense watching this. As it turned out the upper part of the tree was not at all as limb bound as I was thinking. I certainly did not like that mess of leaning trees at the base. I am so glad this went well.
It was pretty well limb bound. Split the butt of the tree trying to get it to come out while both wedging and jacking on it.
Wow, this comments section is just ridiculous. I also work in the woods of Northern Cali and am familiar with what cutters and loggers in general have to battle out here everyday, especially out in the steep and rugged ground between Trinity county and the redwood country. This wasn't exactly a "tight" situation like some here are making it out to be.
I had a 6 inch limb growing into a high tension power line, and the power company kept putting me off. I was actually afraid to go near the tree. I thought it would take more than one shot from my 45/70 to take that limb down, but it didn't.
My buddy "Mean Gene" from the Tag Team vid did the same on the big fir at his mom's house about 20 years ago.
There have been trees that, I thought NO WAY are they going to come out, never even hesitate and others that did not look like the limbs were even touching require a Silvey to kill. It's a crap shoot sometimes - something that is experienced not thought about. Thanks for the input, and for watching.
Grumpy old fart Wish it was the old days, plenty of limbs I've wanted to shoot .
What chainsaw did you use ?
Husqvarna 375xp.
Nice tool. I really need a new chainsaw and yours seem to be very powerful. That's why I ask about the model.
the tree is like
i will never let go Jack
Well. As good as watching paint dry.
oh, hey just one more tree..... haha! good work and a test of a man when the heats on ! I missed God's Green Earth on this one brother..... Glory to The KING OF KINGS
Bobcat guy was quick👍 ur hired
Johnny is one of the best I've seen on a TomCat. Thanks for watching.
Almost is for horse shoes and hand grenades! Love watching fellers use the conventional notch. Good job keep a level head and don't stress. always be in charge never guess. Nice job Jack. The urban forester in me says don't be a dope use a rope!
A climber ( like myself ) could have put a line in that tree and pulled with that machine in about five minutes...
arborists & their ropes.. I was thinking haywire & a block.
My one inch dia. double braid is easier to work with than straw line...
+the jackel Easier is not always better.
+the jackel lol