Insta360 Ace Pro... It's a whole different thing
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You can make the gopro footage better on manual settings with higher shutter speed. Action 4 does the same on very low light, also in that manually setting higher shutter speed resolves the issue. Though if the frame is too dark then the stabilization will break again. Still the Ace Pro on automode is doing superb job and definitely earns top stars for that performance.
@@kaltask1 you’re gonna get more noise if you raise the shutter speed. 1/1.3 inch sensors allow for less noise via less ISO if shutter and aperture are the same. You raise the shutter, you have to raise the ISO.
@@GnarlyBearMTB true and as stated if the image is too noisy or dark the stabilization will break again. But this footage could maybe had been fixed as in fix the stabilization with manual settings. You can denoise the footage after. not the best but I would do that if GH12 or OA4 had that issue while riding murky woods.
@@kaltask1 Gotcha you’re saying it would have been more “fair” stabilization-wise if the shutters were the same? That makes sense to me
@@GnarlyBearMTB well it's not very usable footage if the stabilization is not able to kick in. The shutter would not be the same on both camera, in Gopro manually setting faster shutter it could have more and better images to adjust the image stabilization. Now the shutter is too long and image is bouncing around and all it has to adjust the stabilization is blurry images. Like taking a long exposure image and kicking the camera while you are at it. This is also why if the image is too noisy, eventually that can also break the stabilization. If the whole thing was "auto mode" battle sure Ace wins hands down and I am not saying otherwise. Even if gopro was set to manual mode, Ace would win. But if you have GP12 or Action 4 and have footage like that, it's good to know that there are options to combat that and not always just trust "auto" mode.
I have the GoPro 12 Black and it’s way more stable than what was shown there. You have other videos saying how to set them up perfectly for biking. Perhaps auto mode is bad.
100% Agreed = this video made it look like the GoPro 12 is shit, definitly something wrong with this video, sorry 👎
Yes,it looks like stabilization is turned off lol .
I'll start by saying, I can't stand my fkn GoPro 10 black, it's fkn unreliable, over heats to damn quick and in cool weather to spite me. But the GoPros are the clearest and most stable of all action cams. The only time you get something as shotty as what was shown by this knuckle head is when you change some specific setting combined with stabilization. For the life of my I cannot remember what it was, if it was the frames per second or what have you, but the hardcore editors that work with GoPro know this as they all mention it. Given, low light sucks, but the settings here were modified.
@TechieTard go pro used to be, they had the action cam market closed off where as now I don't think they top it at all, these results are iffy but the insta is the better action cam atm. Gopro need this competition to actually up their game, specially their function in less light as its dog shit at that
The stability test was deliberately done in low light settings to show the difference between the two cameras. In order to compensate for the low light the cameras have to lower the shutter speed, which is impacting the stabilization quality of the GoPro. Since the Ace Pro has a bigger sensor, more light can be let in without having to drop the shutter speed, hence the stabilization also looks better. In daylight, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two cameras.
Finally something fresh and not a tiny incremental update over the competition. Just found out they even do Garmin overlays on your videos! No need to struggle with VIRB Editor. Would love to see that in action.
Garmin overlays?!?!?
Does their app allow to edit long videos or is it like GoPro where the only way to get overlays natively is to have stupidly short videos.
You have to buy their remote control to have GPS data with your videos. It's like the size of a watch face that you either wear around your wrist or attach to your bars. They can do low light video, but don't include a GPS radio? Guessing battery life will already be suspect enough with that processor and AI computation. Noticed NO ONE has mentioned ANYTHING about it. I'd stay away for now.
@@BIIIKESCan't you use data from your Garmin watches for the overlay?
@ivanekprochazka yes garmin, apple watches do give you overlay capability with this camera!!
big upgrades like this are great for competition, Gopro will 100% respond and every year these cameras keep getting better. Cant wait to see where these things are in another 5 years.
Yeah GoPro will respond going bankrupt probably
All the cool stuff it can do means all the more stuff that can break, can cause you to miss a shot, I will wait for the 6-month reviews
Sad to say, GoPro is getting more irrelevant by the years...
The GoPro Hero 7 Black had a low light option which worked fairly well.
Did GoPro improve on this? Nah, because GoPro is no longer interested in creating an action camera, they want a vlogging camera that be can be on a nice, bright sunny day, but not too warm.
DJI and Insta are creating action cameras with low light capabilities, their making GoPro look predestination.
Will GoPro respond to DJI and Insta?
Nah, they're too busy appealing to mom baking pizza in her backyard pizza oven.
GoPro has a tough job next year especially lowlights 😹
Gopro sucks and is overpriced.
I bought the GoPro 12 with Max lens mod 2.0 yesterday anyway after days of watching comparisons since the field of view, especially vertically is still the best even without max lens… and that is important for POV with MTB … all the new insta360 Ace Pro „reviews“ are just focusing on 8k, lowlight, digital zoom …but that is only a part of the picture … I do not want to zoom in additionally when MTB POV especially not with the smaller FOV … just my opinion
This is for the better for the action camera market. Competition drives innovations. GoPro monopolized the market for a decade, and their cameras still heat up and freeze even when just recording on normal conditions.
they could have than that like since 10
they are overpriced too..
Man, this new 360 cam makes bumbling down the trails look so good! Im getting one.
DJI is still better than the Insta360…you can remove the lens and does a lot better in low light. The GoPro is 💩 and he knows it that’s why he chose the GoPro to compare against
I see what you did there 😂
Looking forward to seeing it ALL posted on RUclips!
@@loamchasers removable lens is over-rated. Slap a protection glass on top of the lens and even if you hit it it will break the protection not the lens!
Are you saying the Gopro footage around 10:30 is all the best you know to do with a Gopro? Maybe you should have another 2-hour call, but this time with the Gopro team so they show you how to properly configure the camera.
It's the low light context. In order to actually resolve an imagine, the GoPro is having to automatically decrease the shutter speed to let more light into the sensor. The stabilisation requires a high shutter speed to function, and since it can't have that without producing an underexposed image, you get this horrid stuttering instead. You can literally see this happening if you know what to look for, as lower shutter speeds increase motion blur, and the GoPro footage has far more motion blur - pause it at any point and you'll see. In good light, both cameras would look far more comparable, but I guess that's the point of the test.
@@MacellaioNero I've been getting way better videos in the same daytime conditions since GoPro 8, so... sorry but I don't believe anything about this video at all.
Someone is a Gopro hardcore fan like I was and let me tell u I have every gopro since the 4 and the Inta360 Ace pro is way over the Lev of GoPro like it or Not…
@@BCNBikerTeam You just agreed with him about daytime video. You're cllearly emotional about this to the point where you're misreading. Low light. Thats the context. Its the 1st thing the guy said to you. Obviously, that means night time
@@raddad1464 not sure where is the misreading or the emotions... I objectively pointed out a specific time on the video ("10:30") and then all my comments are around that. And I confirm what I said before, if they don't know how to get a better image in those shots, they definitely need someone to explain to them how to use a GoPro better.
Fantastic review.
I feel like this is the first time I've seen an action camera perform the way I expect. Time to sell the old stuff!
The MTB test was very compelling. I evaluate all action cameras under their most challenging useage application. Low light, highlight recovery, auto ISO, exposure, color balance, stabilization, ease of use, reliability and how the video image holds up in color grading. As a pro videographer, I’ve had a number of different GoPros since Hero 2, currently using a Hero 10 (which I use infrequently). I swear I’ve always had so many issues using the GoPro’s. They’re always switching modes, recording/not recording unintentionally, constant issues connecting/reconnecting wireless remote, batteries not seating/charging properly in that stupid 2-battery charger, difficult touchscreen/menus, poor auto-ISO, exposure and color balance mgmt, etc, etc. Then there’s the super wide-angle lens I never really liked even though I often use wide angle lenses with other cameras. Only the most recent generation GoPro’s were of ANY use as an outward-facing camera (they were primarily selfie cameras until Hero 9). I’m usually only happy with GoPro footage when it’s on a gimbal. Contrastingly, my DJI drones and Pocket 2/3 always impress me and get WAY more use than GoPro’s, not to mention DJI’s constant innovation, variety in product lines, new releases, firmware upgrades, etc. The Mavic 2 Pro was so good, I got nearly 4 years out of it before upgrading. Now, this Insta360 Ace Pro looks considerably better than their other models, which, due to the poor image quality, I’ve never thought had a place in a professional edit, except maybe a D-camera novelty shot. Of course, it was more suited to some applications than most… i.e., a wingsuit or BASE jump. As I’ve never used an Insta360 product, I don’t know how easy and reliable they are to use, but the Leica lens, large sensor and superior image stabilization is very compelling. My more recent activities… WW kayaking, MTB and off-roading necessitates ease of use and reliability as I can’t be constantly f#
@monipenny408 You said it. Complacency always bites you in the end. Just ask Intel, Qualcomm, Hasselblad, etc.
This video is so fake lmao watch any other go pro video and its not nearly as blurry
Show the stabilization settings used for the GoPro in the side-by-side comparo.
Wondering the same!
No that is not good looking for insta then. Unfair comparison is he doing.
I have a couple of the insta360 cameras and one thing no one mentions is support after you buy it. If you need to have the camera replaced it will take about a month as it needs to be sent in and then they ship you a replacement from China. I have had to have a my camera replaced a couple of times and waiting a month to get it, was pretty disappointing. Also support is based out of China so it takes a day or two of back in forth to just get the process going.
I gotta call bullshit on this. I have never seen a go pro shake as bad as this footage. I shoot with a chest mount on a go pro and I have never never seen a video that looks that bad. All I want to know is does it reduce the go pro effect.
I just bought the Hero 12. I'm still happy with my purchase even after seeing what this new Ace Pro can do, but damn...that low light footage looks amazing. Also, the menu speed is amazing...finally an action cam that feels as responsive as a phone! I always thought GoPro painted themselves into a corner designing an using their own chip. It was good when the G1 first came out but now it kind of feels like they've run out of energy/money to keep developing their own silicon. They've had the G2 in their cams for YEARS and it shows...just navigating the menu is like using a smart phone from 10 years ago!
Hero 12 looks better on actual use on the trails. you made a good decision! The Ace Pro looks too digital and choppy.
Yeah, exactly! That low light GoPro footage was really shaky but I still preferred it over Ace Pro cause it looked so artificial and the contrast was way too high.
I got an X3 after seeing Vancanmtb's videos look so good, and you can get a better idea of steepness. Instacam definitely taking over the action cam space with all these killer cameras
Really excited about this clarity zoom feature, finally can capture from time to time detailed close-ups with an action cam.
What a fake sponsored review. Love the blurry effect you put on the GoPro but next time take it bit easer will ya, some of us actually do know what GoPro looks in the dark with the correct settings and are harder to fool 😂
I don’t see the “dynamic range” increase in your shot whatsoever and GoPro actually did color grading and contrast to perfection in that shoot while the insta washed out as hell. You can see it on the histogram that the GoPro processed it perfectly while insta shot will need editing. 😂
Yeah, something does seem off with this video. I'm sure with it's much bigger sensor the insta360 would have an advantage with stabilization and cloudy/overcast conditions, but the gopro hero footage looks horrible. I've see other video's on this very same channel using older gopro's and they didn't look half as bad and I know my Hero 8 would produce better video and stabilization than what was shown here with the right settings. I would still stick to GoPro as insta360 usually has terrible audio quality.
@@LeeLee-fi7mx Agree. If I want “as good as I can get it at all cost, I’ll grab my pro gear and spend full day on 5min video shooting and editing at just right light conditions.
The biggest sell to me on GoPro is when I don’t want to color grade and edit the hell out of my files and GoPro footage looks good enough out of box. It’s one thing they always got right. It hits the “average person’s” perception of “nice looking” just perfectly 90% of the time. Is it pro grade worthy footage particularly when it’s not sunny? Nope, no one would grab a GoPro for that. It’s all about balance. How many times did I take a cool photo with my iPhone. Could I spend much more effort and time setting up my pro gear and take a better pic. Sure. But that’s all I had with me and that is all the effort I wanted to spend in that moment.
Sometimes you want OK footage while mount biking and not looking for award wining quality and execution to impress your friends and family.
What’s you go to settings then on go pro ? I have GoProhero 7 and personally I find it so hard to get good footage so I am very tempted with these new isnta360 (my mate has one and the footage is far better than I’ve manged to get )
I’ve watched a dozen reviews by now, so far none of them prefer GoPro over Insta360/DJI Action 4… GoPro does produce the worse image overall, whether we like it or not. Maybe GoPro 20 will fix this problem but I won’t bet on it
@@MD-gk4uhokay be honest with me here man. I wanna record me riding a dirt bike using a helmet mount what should I get?
The dynamic range and vibrant colors make the footage come alive, truly impressed by the level of innovation that insta360 brings with the ace pro.
Sure is clearer but I think the GoPro had considerably better colors in all these tests. The AcePro seems to have quite bad white balance and it had a noticeable blue/green tint which kinda ruins the other improvements.
Two questions:
1. Did you look into heating issues at 4k30FPS? Comparison between HERO12/Action 4?
2. Do you think the production units will eventually go back to replaceable lens covers? I'm reading that some of the pre-production units have replaceable lens covers and some do not.
Appreciate the video and I think those two things will be a show stopper for some.
saw other reviewer few days ago said no overheating issue even for 4K30fps
I've never had overheating issues with the Gopro as long as you're moving (I ride motorbikes) and not stationary then there are no issues even on hot summer days.
@@NCER999nah that’s not accurate I ride as well and it’s not that simple. I’ve had the 9 10 & 11 overheat. 10 was the worst offender in the 6 months after launch. But all still do it. 9 is the best about it.
@@Fee.1 only time I ever notice heat is if I leave the gopro on by accident when not moving, only hot to touch, never had a shutdown from heat. 10 was more noticeable as I jumped from the 8. I've had the 11 and now 12 and don't really notice heat at all. I'm in QLD in Australia, so we get some hot days!
One thing I am noticing consistently is how the Ace Pro has ever so slightly ‘out of focus’ face detail when using it in a ‘vlog style’, particularly visible at 6:00 where the GoPro has relatively sharp detail in both your face and sharp lines on the logos on your jacket and hat, where the Ace Pro has a subtle haze or blurriness.
That could just be me but I’ve noticed it over a few videos now. I have read that the larger sensor increases the minimal focus distant to way further than an arms reach too.
Outstanding review though, great in depth info and the scopes were a great touch to show the colour information.
It should be a crime not saying this in a literal ADVERTISEMENT for the Ace Pro
True indeed
Amazing commercial! Very nicely done!! Thanks!!!
I actually prefer the colors of the GoPro in the dark trees comparison way more.. Curious if you shot on GoPro in 10-bit High Bitrate or just stock settings? Great comparison and cool to see the camera pushed in adverse scenarios
Probly not
That's what I'm saying too, it clearly has better color/white balance.
This is good. Gopro in the dark reminds me of my first cameras, the early gopros and various knock- offs. They would suck like that even in good conditions. I am happy for the competition and the tech, it got a loooong way!
Action cams in the dark don't make as much sense anyway, Insta is better but still sucks.
Every camera sucks in the dark even my PRO camera that cost more then you bike, gear and action camera combined…sucks in the dark. It’s just that some suck more then others and some people are sponsored by those whose footage looks better 😂
@@MD-gk4uh I am not talking about pitch dark, but my overcast forests turned into blurry mess on my gopros and I really welcome companies taking those scenarios into consideration. Might wake one more generation, just in case ;)
Love your vids. As a photographer myself, this is a huge leap in action cameras!
Your studio audio is crazy good. Any advice on getting better studio audio?
Your low light side by side comparisons are SO amazing. I'm sold on this for my planned MTB trip through the Colorado Trail in 2024.
You must have been well paid to make the GoPro look awful against the Insta360 in this shameless way
Insta360 raising the bar!
looks like the gopro has far more motion blur frame by frame during this test indicating it could have been maybe set to an automatically lower iso or shutter speed by default in which case the stabilization would have been inferior to the insta in the comparison. If you look frame by frame at 1/4 playback its very evident. It would be useful to see both cameras manually set to the same iso and shutter speed and ran on the trail in the same light condition.
I'm gopro hero 7 black user, and I'm pretty happy with it. If something is newer I believe it exceed my expectations.
Lens cover is not removable... thats not good for action cam
Ohh great point, so now the question, will there be covers to put over or just have to eat the cost of a lens during a fall?
Thats a deal breaker for me
It's removable.🤦♂️
@@alexr4246it's removable.
@@lamefart Not for production cameras, it is not. Only preproduction units, which makes NO SENSE.
Man this was such a good review. Easy to watch the entire thing. No fluff just value
When you have Leica involved you know it’s going to be good 👌🏼
For me, who usually rides an electric bike in the city at night, I doubt how good the ace pro will be. To secure shutter speed that does not cause warbling during vibration correction, a very fluffy suspension seat post needed. However, it also offers footage without motion blur. it is questionable that ace does not support 10bit.
Holy shit! Finally someone who knows technical stuff doing review of action cam! You explaining sensor readout, dynamic range and pixel binning in such a way that makes it very easy to follow is amazing! Liked and subscribed!
Finally a really good review from someone who knows about videography and photography
Was hypersmooth on on the gopro footage? Seemed the insta was stabilized and the gopro wasn't at all?
Never had such bad quality from my GoPro. I am really happy with my camera. This is not a criticism, but I understood about 15% of what you were saying. As you can surmise, I am not an ex-video pro. Seemed you were making a sales pitch. Frankly I liked some of there GoPro video you took better than the Ace Pro video. Also, if you are riding at times of bad lighting without a headlight, i.e., in the evening or later, you ought to rethink what you are doing and why. Don’t see the need for a camera that records well in bad lighting. I just don’t ride in those areas or at those times.
100% Agreed = this video made it look like the GoPro 12 is shit, definitly something wrong with this video, sorry 👎
It’s a sales pitch. That’s the problem with sponsored RUclipsrs. Not an unbiased opinion.
Dude definitely made the GoPro look bad on purpose 🤦🏻♂️ that said the Ace is still an amazing camera.
@@RichardERTZuh…, it’s because the GoPro 12 IS inferior, and this is coming from a guy who has used GoPros for more than 10 years. Competition is good. Maybe GoPro will come out with a killer upgrade this year, but I’m not holding my breath.
Low light situation is the only test that I truly noticed the difference to be honest. But watching this on my cellphone, which is what most people watch my RUclips vids on.
I’m sticking with my Hero 11 for now, BUT thanks for the review man. I’m s always good to see action cams pushing new limits 👍👍👍
Low light definitely better on the Ace, but it don't help that they use 5.3k on the gopro as 4k preforms a bit better in low light.
You had me at ‘ They offered to buy ME a GoPro and DJI’ … ya sure. Not Biased at all😅
haha that's the thing though right? Have you ever heard of a company *buying* people competitor cameras to make sure they compare them? That takes some serious confidence in their product.
All other factors aside, I greatly preferred the colors, white balance, and contrast of the GoPro in all the comparison clips. I realize you can likely squeeze a better result from the Ace Pro files if you're post-processing the video, but out of the camera the GoPro looks better except for the low-light blur.
From my quick research based on your affiliate bank it's also about $130 more expensive than the GoPro. Worth mentioning😢
I want to see an unbiased comparison between these. This seems very one sided only talking about the points where the Ace is better, all points that are valid don't get me wrong. For example when you mentioned the FOV being smaller you conveniently didn't mention the Max lens mod 2.0 you can get for the gopro which increases it's FOV further, which for POV footage is important.
This is essentially one big advert and from reading the comments I can see it's working. It does look a great product, but of course it will when only the things it has over the Gopro are mentioned. As someone looking to get a new action cam this isn't all that helpful, as I know there's points that have be missed out on that make this not a comparison, just a biased advert you're getting money from insta and the affiliate link. People watching this need to not fall for this and watch some real comparisons. Crazy how easy it is to convince people with a blatant advert
Did you watch the video? I went over the field of view part and didn’t recommend the camera for chin and helmet mounted situations where the user would want the bars in the frame. Nothing wrong with being skeptical, but at least be accurate.
@@TheLoamRanger I did, you did say that, and then recommended the x3, which is a fine recommendation of course, but ignores the fact the gopro you're *comparing* it to has a detachable lens to improve fov. Just feels a bit disingenuous to disregard the fact for monetary purposes.
What you're saying isn't incorrect, but just cherry picked to suit the narrative to mislead the viewer into purchase. I guess my problem is that it's made to look like a comparison video despite being an advert. I just think people should be aware.
@ollievann This looks like the latest thing on RUclips: ad/review/comparison by omission...
Best opening 8 second sof any YT videos I’ve seen lately. 😂😂 spot on mate!
What a killer review! You guys do such a good job.
love the video and disclosure. very much enjoy hearing some of the tech under the hood. also stoked that Insta360 is stepping up as a huge player in this space!
Affiliate link for 360 but not Gopro lol. Now I get it.
What frame rate was used when filming? Did you follow the 180 rule? Will the camera work with an ND filter? Can we get lens attachments? Will we have to turn off stability to use low iso with the right settings? the dji osmo pocket 3 I feel seems more and more ideal having a gimbal for attaining the best shots using filters
I often film mid day in bright settings at dirt jumps or the motocross track. Needing to reduce 6 or more stops of light often. How can I get ideal footage there in the right frame right so things have a natural blur but stable video
The GoPro footage definitely does not look like it was shot at 60 fps/120 SS + ND; way too choppy which makes it look bad in an action smoothness test. It also doesn’t support 10bit, it would’ve been nice to see some color grading examples and not just the camera’s color science defaults. No mention of battery life or overheating issues which are probably good points when comparing it to a GoPro and given it has a new fancy AI chip helping with stabilization.
If its only new feature is better frame by frame processing then that doesn’t seem like much of a tech leap. I’d definitely wait for actual consumer reviews before buying this right after the review embargo was up for tech RUclipsrs..
Cool. Video looks way better. Thanks for the technical explanation on the sensor
So you've put the Insta in Pureview Mode and GoPro in full Auto and you compared them ? Why not chose Protune to keep things pretty even ?
Super impressive spec and results, great review bud !!
Are you sponsored by Insta 🤪
I only wish there was a non flip screen for a lower price with the better lens. No one has posted a comparison video of the two different Ace cameras yet
What about battery type and battery life? Guessing the embargo to discuss that hasn't been lifted yet.
Great review! Seems like a great camera! Hope this pushes future action cameras to improve!
James, the hero we did not know we needed! During your side to side comparisons outside, the sound seemed much better with the Insta over the GP, were you using a Mic with the insta or were they both just the native mics?
Those were the built-in mics for both cameras. I was quite impressed with the Ace Pro's audio!
Agree with this, the Ace audio seems better than the Gopro
10-bit footage? Flat/log? Can you lower the sharpening in camera?
10 bit no, flat yes, lower sharpening yes.
This looks super adaptable for diverse shooting conditions to about my outdoor activities. Can't wait to get one!!
Damn that Insta 360 Ace Pro is giving a Hero 12 Black a run for its money? THANK YOU. I LOVE competition in the market. It drives innovation and demolishes either complacency or trickle releases.
those low light mtb differences are crazy
just to say, if you want better image quality in low light on gopro, just use manual shutter settings and put shutter to 1/120 or 1/240. Sure the light is less but with a good light it is ok
Well dang... wish I'd known abuot this. I bought the 12 the day it came out. Hmm. That stabilization comparison was pretty amazing, and I love the way it does HDR. Wow. Thanks!
Thank you and great to see the features of the Insta360 Ace Pro and I would like to see a true comparison with the GoPro Hero 12 & DJI Osmo Action 4 cameras when you have a chance. One thing that wasn't mentioned was the GoPro 11 8:7 sensor. This sensor will allow for better cropping for all 3 video platforms: RUclips 16:9, Instagram 4:3 and TikTok 9:16 aspect ratios. I think the DJI and Insta360 are only good for 16:9 videos, so depending on what platform you are going to upload your videos there is are choices for the best cameras. Also, there is a trade-off with the 8:7 GoPro aspect ratio and that is low-light sensitivity, so if you record in low light then the DJI or Inta360 will be better.
I usually shoot in daytime for mountain biking and skiing so i bought the GoPro Hero 11 for being able to adjust the aspect ratio upon export. One last thing about the 8:7 GoPro sensor is that if you have shot in 16:9 and either had the camera pointed to low or too high missing the correct POV, the 8:7 captures more vertically. So you can adjust the export either up or down to compensate for an imperfect camera recording position.
At 6:11 in the lower right corner you can see that the insta360 does not record any data like the Gopro12.
At 7:00, it also matters where you set the fixed focus on the gopro camera.
7:52 I fell a week ago, only breaking my ribs and the little finger of my right hand, but at least I took it on video! :)
This is one of the most truthful reviews out there. GoPro is just not as good as the Ace Pro there are plenty of videos out there that have the Ace Pro look shaky because the creators messed up their ace pro settings. Im glad I bought the Ace Pro after my GoPro 11 stopped working and not the GoPro 12 instead
Insane how much better the low light footage is on the insta! My only gripe would be the audio quality, at least from your mountain bike example. That said, I kind of wish I saw this before buying my GoPro lol... I'm sure the audio could be fixed with an external mic.
Thanks for making these videos Ryan! They’re super informative. I just broke 2 of my ribs on a ride tonight. Hope your recovery is going well!
Thank you james
PureVideo killing it!! Low light shooting looks waaaay better than my old Gopro 😬
I just got served an ad for this on IG, so I came here to search for a review. And guess what greeted me? Ha! Algo FTW. Anyway, thanks for doing a nerdier dive with the scopes and pixel binning. And the fact they can basically run Neat Video in real time pre-encoding is simply amazing.
Nice! Maybe in a few months I will "spring" for this camera! Keep up the great videos!
Hope Ace Pro's Active HDR fixes stabilization issues I've had on other action cameras, but keeps that image quality. Time will tell!
Would love to see an update vid once u have used it a while... What are the issues & downsides.... Like any overheating, battery life, glitching etc... GoPro has all these on later models... With such a powerful chip this camera must surely have...
No one's GoPro footage @ 9:52 actually looks like that man c'mon. $$$$$$ The Ace Pro is sweet but let's be fair here.
Was stabilization turned off on the GoPro?
The shutter speeds seem to be different during the mountain bike comparison. There is much more motion blur on the GoPro, indicating the sensor is receiving more light resulting in improved sensor performance and less chaotic visuals. If this is so, the ace has a significant disadvantage and yet preforms much better.
This may also be a difference in sensor readout speed. This seems extremely unlikely as the ace sensor is larger and has more pixels.
Does anyone else have thoughts on this?
Yup frame rate is probably different which nulls the comparison. Resolution is probably the reason but still
Yeah the gopro seemed to be put in the worst possible settings for those conditions, just to make the comparison worse - for the clicks I guess. I set the max shutter speed to 1/100 or 1/120, and all that blur is gone.
Looked like a very fast shutter speed on the Ace, versus a very very slow shutter speed on the GoPro, assuming the ISO was not limited.
loooool i randomly see that in my feed an immediately feel like oh wait this guy is in Canmore! we are basically neighbors! i'm keeping eyes open for back country ski sesh in Roger's pass this winter thoughts ?
Great features! But I'm more into 360s, so I'll hope all this is implemented on the X4.
I will never buy another an action camera...so boring compared to my my X2 and One R...even if the reframed quality of the 360 footage is barely HD is a lot more fun than 4k go pro...or similar...360 capture is a lot more fun even if I always reframe the video after-editing with my iphone 15 pro max is great....
Great video but I'm pretty confident your info about denoising after encoding is wrong. All cameras have to denoise prior to encoding as part of the image processing pipeline (debayer, denoise, sharpen, white balance, etc). Sensor readout -> process/denoise -> encode makes a lot more sense than readout -> encode -> decode -> process/denoise -> encode again.
This is awesome! I’ve been experimenting a little with using lights to help my 360 one r in lower light. It seems to help but this is way better
I hope this action cam is a sneak preview on the next 360° cam (X4 most likely). I'm still using the X2 and I'm waiting for the next big step.
Agreed! That would be incredible.
Looks great. Only criticism of the i360 Ace Pro in evening Pure Video mode is that the stabilisation is doing this very odd like frame tweening every .5 seconds. It looks very unnatural. Like it bounces up, left, right.. this way... .5 second, then that way, .5 second.
Now, I've been using i360 cameras for years now, and this very much looks like a software issue that they'll probably fix, but for right now, as detailed as the footage is compared to the GoPro I would say neither are usable.
Superb - and really well produced.
Hopefully I can get my channel big enough to be able to rock equipment like this one day 😂
I rather would have seen this compared to the osmo action 4
Right no one uses GoPro any longer.
Maybe he realised the DJI would probably outclass this Ace Pro thingy 😂
@@AORNova lol ya I just got the osmo and I love it
From my small iPad I like the GoPro colors more. I do have one criticism of the insta 360 though.
They need to have a 5 or 5.3k60 mode like GoPro has. It gives you some room to crop while still being 4k 60 and you can’t do that here.
Cheers, mate.... I'm about to buy a new action camera and this video has come at precisely the right time.
Great video. `did notice quite a lot of poor video compression on those mountain bike clips , see it on the sky at around 7mins, what caused that do you think? or is it RUclips?
Footage quality is really impressive, but 8 bit only, no replaceable lens, an action camera for people who don’t do any sports. Kinda defeats the purpose…
Great video! Am fascinated. BUT..... what about the audio quality? How many mics etc? Comparison on audio quality versus GoPro?
Color looks so much better on the Insta360 too, the GoPro has such a strong yellow tinge to it
Must haves for action cameras are:
- Good stabilization at reasonable shutter speeds (1/160s and faster)
- A wide lens to capture speed and steepness properly.
- Good color science
- High dynamic range color profiles (Gopro Log, D-log M)
- Option to opt out of internal processing (noise reduction, sharpness, tone mapping)
- Good battery life
- No crashing
How does this camera deal with these things? Specifically internal sharpness and noise reduction? The images you showed looked extremely oversharpened.
it's 8 bit color as well....
@@jondoeslifestuff 8 bit is really not a big dealbreaker when you're not shooting log. And I'm all for competition to gopro and dji. But I think this camera is more about software gimmicks than real improvements. Which is usually what insta360 is known for, unfortunately.
@@MarkusFinholt Agreed, insta360 does add a lot of interesting features. Love their 360 line, they're fun. But for what I'm using GoPro/equivalents for really would prefer the 10bit. Definitely not a dealbreaker for average users by any means.... but I genuinely dislike banding.
GoPro just keeps spitting out new "latest and greatest" models that never keep up with other current and always better cameras. GoPro fans remind me of Apple fans.
There are some common issues with mountain biking and action cameras. 1) how is the audio with wind noise compared to other cameras? 2) does it have ability to directly connect to wireless mics? 3) does this camera have one touch record (the one r and one rs did not) 4) is the lens replaceable if scratched? 5) how is the microsd door attached? 6) can it use 512 or 1 tb microsd cards?
Can’t say about the rest, but it has the same removable lens guard/cover as the GoPro (says about the 2.16 mark)
@@Dave_D Another creator did a video on the Ace Pro and the lens is not replaceable.
@@BikeRidez That would be a bit of a silly move if it isn’t, seeing as all (most) other action cams have gone down that route. Which creator was that? Have watched a few but obviously not that one. Tbh though, my laptop has just gone bang so It’ll be a while before I can even think about getting this and by then more pros n cons will have no doubt been revealed. So far though, it is looking pretty damned good.
Wow the reduced motion blur on the insta 360 is amazing.
Seems like a game changer, I'm quite a bit worry than a chin mount with the Ace would give the same FOV as the Gopro with Boost mode on (which is too narrow imo) Thanks for the video brother
Have you seen the osmo action 4 FOV, that will work perfectly for you
Yeah it seems good but audio and video quality is still not on par with Gopro except in low light situation, I have no inventive to change if it's the case, I'll wait to see what people can do with the Ace Pro @@MxEdits101
Please can you do and insta360 go 3 vs one re twin comparison?
You had me at "when you go to the scopes".
Maybe this high iso tech will trickle over into a new 360? I have been thinking about a new action cam and I think this is it! My only gripe is no HDMI out. I do use my old gopro 7 for live streaming as another camera angle. I guess this one will do USB out like a webcam but not sure about the external power situation.
you nailed it Loam Ranger! My NoPro 12 feels like a NoPro 9 on steroids. The Action 4 is impressive and still love it, but this AcePro is something else. Great vid and excellent review with facts.
wow that new camera is sweet also about pink bike i would rather watch anything you produce keep it up but your new camera review is so informative i want one so bad now take care and thanks