Indeed, I've been outside of the accademic philosophy world for a while and hadn't come across him before. It would be good to make it easier to search his work rather than skipping through the interview to confirm his name again.
This is the age we live in. Robinson et al pose as defenders of free speech. When someone calmly and logically challenges their politics, you should expect online abuse. To make clear, there should be a rigorous national inquiry into Pakistan rape gangs and a wider debate and inquiry into the shocking scale of sexual abuse of children in UK from whatever the source. We should all be able to agree on this and for decisive action against all the perpetrators of sexual abuse and sexual violence.
There already has been a public inquiry. The Tory government who are now using the Musk inspired hysteria about it now failed to implement the findings when they were in power.
I hate the whole "innocent women and children" line. They're all innocent. The men included. The idea that the women and children are innocent but the men aren't is basically a concession to genocide.
There's a reason they say women and children, it's not through hatred of men, it's because of the fragility that people understand when women and children are victims. We've done well in history having the safety of women and children being prioritised. It's a precedent.
Palestine especially Gaza has always been trying to appeal to the world who says all men are fighters. That's why they don't talk about civilian men murdered most of the time.
Gaza? In most contexts when fighting a less conventional military enemy, "fighting age males" is nothing to sneeze at. Roughly 14 and up. They don't all take up arms, and we should make that distinction. But some of them do
What most, if not all people missing is the Israeli lobby's involvement with Robinson as well as Peterson recently since he joined the DW !!!!! Robinson is actively working for division on behalf of Israel in the uk, hence that x post too
Part of the grift? Mr Robinson's cousin was raped and his uncle's friend Mark Sharp died after an assault by Luton residents of Pakistani descent. I don't like everything Tommy says but he grew up on the streets of Luton unlike this well spoken philosopher who has probably never been in a street fight.
You can't tell these people that because they simply don't believe that place's like bury park exist and you know they don't have the balls to go and take a look.
Ironically a few days ago this same podcaster was saying that it was a disgrace that the grooming gang victims weren’t believed because they were working class and rough round the edges, yet dismisses Tommy Robinson in the exact same way. “If only he had decent R.E lessons like we did..teehee”
@@Norfolkandchance886 grew up in luton, my dad my sister and i regularly went to bury park, the only time any one of us felt unsafe was when there was a football match or when the edl did marches.
If those are true, and I've no reason to think that you're lying, then those are crimes that should be prosecuted. It certainly isn't a justification for demonising groups and inciting fear, hatred or violence against them. I have no idea how having been in a physical fight adds to Tommy's credibility or even that that's something we should be considering to be a prsiseworthy thing
@@gullygullible9774 yes, you are meant to change your mind dependent on the evidence presented...however, you are also meant to have; principles, critical thinking skills and the ability to parse propaganda, facts and their context, Joe Rogan has repeatedly demonstrated he does not possess, or is paid not to possess, these faculties.
Very odd decision to stick Tommy Robinsons names in the heading and description but the name of the philosopher you are talking to throughout this video is nowhere to be found. Bizarre.
I think it`s a very good decision. Philosophers are 10 a penny, Tommy Robinson is unique and very brave - for all his faults. He`s surrounded by enemies and critics, yet still he fights on for the little girls who were brutally raped by hundreds of muslim men, whom we`ve only recently been allowed to speak about - or even call them out for what they are. Come down off your high horses, Tommy is not educated to your level but - ........."even the dull and ignorant have their story to tell`. He`s lived amongst these communities and has watched it all happening and that`s what made him angry.
@@daisyhobbs7500 He has convictions for violence and dishonesty, he's put at risk grooming gang trials, he gambled away six figures while receiving donations from supporters, and he's subject to a stalking prevention order. There are far better people than him working in this field.
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.
I think these two are so naive. I say this as someone who’s well versed in Islam. Part of my family is Muslim. My wife herself was raised within a Muslim household. As the saying goes evil exists when good men do nothing. For far too long due to political correctness and fear of offending a religious community institutions were complicit. You don’t have to like Tommy but at least he had the balls where others didn’t to sound the alarm. What I’d like to see is less finger pointing about Tommy, Rogan and Peterson and more honest discussion about how to tackle elements of the ideology which are problematic so that the next generation don’t experience the ordeal of girls gone by. That requires tough unpleasant and unpopular topics being discussed and hard grown up conversations. A lot of these issues are cultural but have credibility in schools of jurisprudence, tafsirs and authentic hadiths. These things need addressing. I growing up had to wrestle with them. My wife had to wrestle with them. At this moment in time Jack is too eager to please the establishment here. People downplay the religious element of these attacks at their peril.
@@3brenmI've had that issue too sometimes, when commenting on my phone...like I am now, hopefully it gets through 😄 I think there are issues when watching shorts that are suggested beneath the video you're commenting on, did the comments end up on one of those shorts? That happened to me.
Shamima Begum was a victim of trafficking. Yet for some reason the far-right see her as a perpetrator, almost as if their only goal is to fuel hatred towards Muslims, which it clearly is.
@@sallyb3806 Professor of Philosophy of religion. He teaches courses and lectures on that topic amongst others that may lay adjacent. Edit: and conducts research.
You would need to prove Essentialism as a concept before you can claim there are "types of people". Then you'd need to prove which types of people are correct philosophers, then you would need to identify which type of person Jack is. Doesn't seem like you've done any of these things in your argument, therefor it isn't valid or sound. Try again, philosophy lover.
At 09:40: Nit picky - but there are allowances for victim testimony to be recorded and not given in front of their abuser. Not as prevalent as perhaps it should be, but misleading to suggest we don't do that at all in the judicial system.
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No this man is obnoxious he was rude and condescending to a young woman on Piers interview boasting about his credentials to suggest he was more knowledgable than her just because he didn’t agree with something she said. Had to stop watching after that as I’m about to do now
I thought he was fantastic & fact checked her. If you choose to believe that woman then it shows you just want to buy into the hate narrative and dont care for evidence that dr Jack was citing.
The fact that JP said on Piers Morgan that Tommy Robinson was his chief source of information from Britain suggests he should no longer be taken seriously.
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.
Yeah, I thought that was really weird. The UK media in general has covered this extensively and even the BBC hasn't pulled its punches. He said that TR has been his main news source for the last 15 years. I think he might be fibbing to prop up his recent TR affiliation.
6:52 "There is only one inborn error, and that is the notion that we exist in order to be happy….So long as we persist in this inborn error, and indeed even become confirmed in it through optimistic dogmas, the world seems to us full of contradictions." Arthur Schopenhauer
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.
This is just the beginning…circa 1930s Germany Point to the 20% of these crimes committed by Brits of South Asian descent. Whilst, ignoring the state-sanctioned violence via The Church of England🤷🏾♂️
You people never think you deserve any reckoning for putting muslims ahead of your own people. Loyalty & love of country are like poison to you things. How tragic for England.
If 3% of the population is commiting 20% of the crime, then that is a massive problem within that section of the population. That is something that needs addressing.
I think it's a good point on teaching more RE in schools so you have a greater understanding of people's beliefs. It would go a long way towards changing people's warped perspectives on religion. Even if you're atheist or agnostic (like I am) it's a good idea to know "why" so you don't get people like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon "making shit up".
Correct. I went to a Catholic Convent school. We had to learn about the major religions of the world. We knew all the basic tenets of other religions and even visited a mosque and talks to an imam so we could ask him questions (we went to a Gurdwara ,Temple and synagogue too). None of us grew up with anymore animosity towards people of those religions than our own! 😂
@@daftgowk1 Most religious people have a lot more capacity for nuance than you give them credit for. I used to think like you, but I it's only a minority of religious people I've met who I would describe as having 'blind' faith. It's comforting to think you are smarter than everyone else, but try a bit of humility, listen to people etc.
@ValQuinn you don't need to preach to me. I have lived with most religions, married to a Hindu. Its all culty nonsense used to cause harm, this is the story of the human race so i can understand teaching history, but not treating lies as fact, nor teaching culty nonsense.
@@ValQuinnI have lived with most religions, married to a Hindu. They are all cults used to cause harm, this is the story of the human race so i can understand teaching history, but not treating lies as fact, nor teaching cults as a subject
The problem nowadays is that everyone is throwing everyone under the bus simply to gain on social media ( make money ).... No action is taken on anything just a lot of hot air for 30 minutes before they go on their next podcast.......
I agree with many of the things that you're saying, especially regarding Tommy Robinson, Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk, however, I think when we're talking about the mainly Pakistani-British nonce gangs, it doesn't serve the victims to skirt around the subject by repeatedly mentioning various other types of paedophilia. Paedophilia, in general, isn't the subject at hand, the subject is this particular type of crime that seems to have a cultural and religious component; experts on the subject such as Trevor Phillips, Ann Cryer, Sara Rowbotham, Simon Danczuk, Sammy Woodhouse, Maggie Oliver, Nazir Afzal and Andrew Norfolk will all tell you the same thing. Ignoring the elephant in the room is how we've ended up in this mess in the first place and we shouldn't be afraid of acknowledging hard truths when children's lives are at stake. No one's saying we shouldn't prosecute all the different types of paedophilia, or that it has to be one or the other. They're noticing a pattern that's occurring across the country, that appears to disproportionally involve a specific community, and want to get to the bottom of it. I agree that we should implement the recommendations from the Jay report while simultaneously commissioning a national inquiry into grooming gangs. The more data we can collect, the better.
And if there was another national inquiry, and it ended up agreeing with the Home Office's own report in 2020, which, while not without faults, found that Asian gangs were not disproportionality involved in group base sexual abuse - do you think people would accept those results?
@@pwimbledon The subject isn't Asian gangs, it's specifically Pakistani-British Muslim gangs. But yes, provided the information is in-depth and presented transparently, I expect the majority of people would accept the findings if that happens to be the case.
@@pwimbledon The subject isn't Asian gangs, it's specifically majority Pakistani-British nonce gangs. But yeah, if the inquiry is fully researched and it shows proportionally there's no issue, I believe most people would accept the results.
Why did the community and religious leaders of all these cities not stop or report the perpetrators over all the yers that these endemic rapes, torture and trafficking going on? Why the silence?
Why do you assume that they would be aware of all the crimes within the community? Why are you not reporting all the crimes in the community around you? Why the silence?
No, the only way to face criminal charges for any kind of speech in the United States is if it involves an immediate threat of danger or violence. That standard is high when it comes to threats to an individual and it’s much higher when the threat is towards the government. What Tommy Robinson said might get him a civil suit from an individual for defamation, but from what I could tell, there is absolutely no way he would receive a fine or face jail. The idea that someone would face jail time for something said online that isnt a reasonable and credible threat of immediate violence is bizarre and Orwellian to me.
You may be right that Mr Robinson would not be in prison in the USA for his behaviour, although there are 50 states along with the District of Columbia, and about 20 states have criminal defamation laws (punishable by prison albeit rarely in practice, and for which criminal contempt sanctions may be allowed). Damages are also a thing there. Either way, Mr Robinson's wrongdoing was in the jurisdiction of England and Wales. On ten occasions (to which he admitted) he chose to breach a court order that he stop making a specific set of defamatory statements about a boy who had sued him for defamation and won. Aggravating factors in considering the period of his committal (time in prison) included the fact that contempt proceedings were begun after the first four occasions but he nevertheless went on to do it another six times; and that during these contempt proceedings he failed to attend a hearing he was ordered to attend (another contempt in itself). He did all that instead of adopting the law-abiding approaches of appealing against the defamation judgment or applying to vary the court order. Incidentally, instead of paying damages he has declared bankruptcy; he told the court he was in lots of debt and that he had gambled away £100k while receiving donations from supporters. If someone won't be punished after a trial concludes there was defamation then there is no point in defamation law and you might say that's all to the good but, to me, it's not obviously true that an adult who can't support their claims to the civil standard should be free to make a sustained campaign of defamatory statements about a child, causing misery, harassment and other consequences. If Mr Robinson had no previous convictions including one for illegally entering the USA, perhaps he would be able to live in a more defamation-friendly US state,
I'm afraid I can't accept this female as a serious interviewer. This is clearly a hit piece against Tommy Robinson. The 'philosopher' is clearly trying to cause damage to Tommy Robinson's reputation. A very bad piece of journalism. Someone sent him a WhatsApp? The information missed her completely? Sorry, it just doesn't ring true. Pathetic.
I made it 5 minutes before I'm turning this off. No one deserves solitary confinement for speaking out. These 2 better hope they never find themselves in Tommy's spot.. but it could do them good so they see how extreme they themselves are.
Probably made up by the Guardian as usual, the media have been caught lying many many times, like claiming he pleaded guilty one time when he was never even told what the charge was so couldnt have pleaded guilty, even the court of appeal had to admit that.
It's weird, I would support the people I oppose to be given platforms because I'm confident in my beliefs. I want their ideas in the open so they can be challenged and shown for how absurd they are.
Its a double edge sword because on one hand you're correct in wanting to be able to challenge those ideas with the belief that your ideas are more rooted in facts and understanding, but on the other hand its a lot easier to brainwash a society with misinformation than it is to educate them or "deprogram" society that is paralyzed by some dangerously stupid world view. Thats why i agree with Joe in that free speech should be a means to an end because although free speech is important to a morally just society it doesn't mean free speech can't be used as a trojan horse or vector in bringing about the destruction of a society.
@@one_of_the_Bobs This is wrong. Brainwashing happens when free speech doesn't exist. What we want is everyone to say what's on their minds and society decides whether they are wrong or right.
@@richardgullick1867 Most effectively it's public shame that arbitrates what is objectionable/dangerously stupid. For example if you say publicly today what 50 years ago would be commonly heard and accepted about certain races, genders, sexual preference etc then most people around you would tell you to stop being a dick. That sense of shame works quite well to safeguard norms and protected categories - if you think about verbalising a racist thought, you may decide not to because of the social effect / backlash. The overton window on these issues has only shifted because of the hard work and risks taken mostly by members of the persecuted groups (feminist movement, anti-racist campaigners etc). The problem with social media is that it is anonymised and depersonalised, and the profit incentive and structure means that it achieves the opposite effect. The most objectionable views are magnified because they drive engagement and clicks, and the most objectionable people gain larger audiences for the same reason. So it's not as simple as giving platforms to people from a wide range of views and letting the marketplace of ideas decide on which ones are correct, because that will never be possible with the incentive structures and profit model of large social media platforms.
This guy talking likes to extrapolate from theory and assumption. Could we see him talking to victims of these rape gangs, with demeaning tone that he seems to like using, or going to the areas being reported as being troublesome 👍🏼
Hear me out people: When influencers show off their counterfeit Chanel bags on TikTok to get you jealous and angry - that’s overconsumption rage bait. This is a “philological” rage bait to drive online engagement. I refuse to believe you can be that ignorant, in this smug voice, and not rage baiting.
"The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) in England and Wales was an inquiry examining how the country's institutions handled their duty of care to protect children from sexual abuse. It was announced by the British Home Secretary, Theresa May, on 7 July 2014. It published its 19th and final report on 20 October 2022."
@@johnwayne9828 But the stuff like doing sexual stuff without consent is told by Non-Muslims is true right? That's what happened in the Piers Morgan interview they mocked him instead of trying to show verses.
The fact that your more concerned that TR has a platform, he has gone out of his way to shed light on government and police cover ups let alone the damage Islam is doing to Britain and the west as a whole! Let’s all hate on JP and TR for saying things you don’t want to hear!
Peterson got his start saying the most utterly objectionable things about trans and gender diverse people in Canada. He has *long* been off the edge. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge his rhetorical skills in various psychology lectures and so on, but the idea he is only now radicalised in a dangerous way is about 5 years too late, I'm sorry. He just played the role of prosperity padre for young men better than many others.
He was against laws being mandated that tried to force his people to use l specific anguage, which is an understandable position. Jack is correct that JP went bat shit after joining right wing news organizations.
Nathan Robinson had his number years ago when he wrote about Peterson in Current Affairs. Peterson's scribblings in Maps of Meaning were the canary in the coalmine.
Not really. His views on transgender people align with the majority of people in the UK. Most people don't think kids can be given puberty blockers, that's just reality
Like it or not, the trans activists managed to trick the medical community into giving out treatment with scant evidence. Its a national scandal, not a surprise most normal people in the UK know it's wrong to mutilate kids
Jack you are giving a very good example of epistemic trespassing here. Stop it. 'Epistemic trespassers are thinkers who have competence or expertise to make good judgments in one field, but move to another field where they lack competence-and pass judgment nevertheless. We should doubt that trespassers are reliable judges in fields where they are outsiders. (Ballantyne,N. (2019),'Knowing our Limits', Oxford University Press pp. 198-219.
I'm not sure they can question muhammad though. The quaran says that you cannot offend muhammad, that he was obedient to all of allahs commands, that you cannot ask questions that may lead you away from faith (Surah 5:101-102)(Quran 33:53). It doesn't seem like this is a problem which can be solved, especially as muhammad is a terrible moral example in most western moral frameworks. Most of the Muslims I know are absolutely lovely, but for the outliers who I have met, who can blame them??? Secularising is a good response to this, let's stop defending religion and work on harmonising. At the same time, let's stop attacking religion as that could slip into genocide, and causes pushback.
This guy comes across as very arrogant. Seems put out because people are not listening to his clearly superior opinion. I'm not a fan of Robinson by the way , but Im even less of a fan of preachy Narcissists.
@@TheDrexelUK Nah, Jordan Peterson is well educated on the matter, he's spoken to T.R. in depth and researched the facts, this guy is just spouting the usual far left misinformation and didnt learn a thing that Peterson tried to educate him with.
@@sonofsomerset1695 "Far left" - you wouldn't know the "far left" if it walked up and slapped you in the face. That comment right there means you have zero credibility.
I've always thought this about JP. He really caught my attention in the early days of championing academia and mental health, and now seems to have done an angry 180 and gone down this absurd hard right channel.
Far right is mildly Conservative most of the time. The left have gotten away with so much engineering that they've managed to gaslight people into thinking they are extreme for resisting mass migration and LGBT theory. Push back
When did Tommy Robinson say this about Palestine? Unlike most universities and so called academics, some people in the UK are still patriotic. The Syrian boy was 19 years old. Anybody from the working class is considered unworthy of having a view. Bye know all!
These two are your typical smug people who are extremely opinionated but so far removed from the actual problems that they don’t have the slightest idea what’s going on in there rich liberal cities.
Texts, ideas, and arguments can be analyzed and deconstructed for clarity or critique, but individuals, with all their complexities, cannot be reduced to mere fragments. This distinction is key in fostering constructive discussions while respecting human dignity.
2:43 and 10 seconds of JRE podcast,,, rewatch yourself at that moment and tell me you still stand by that denial statement of the grooming gangs you made,, wally
A philosopher may be fascinated to watch this clip, and ponder whether the questions asked give their game away... An academic would do well to research the subject discussed more thoroughly before opinionating.
Lots of ignorance about religion for sure but it's a two way street. I had religious studies at school. The only kids who didn't attend were some Muslim kids because their parents told the school they didn't want them learning about other religions.
Oh and ps,, the court case about the Syrian boy, he never plead guilty to that,, and one of the reasons he failed to convince the judge that his documentary was accurate is because all the people he undercover interviewed in the documentary had Non Disclosure Agreements they signed when they were paid off so he couldn’t use them as witnesses, you grooming sympathiser
We used to have Parental Guidance to what our younger gen can watch, the problem nowadays is we have videos like this, a biased labeled 'Dr' giving advice when he hasn't put his dummy down for long but he's managed to sway education and now has a title, the dangerous thing about that he's even a lecturer for the sheep, but he doesn't even mention why we even have phobia and the facts that back them up and found this show to be very biased, to show the majority of say rape gangs like in Rotherham, are made up of 85% of one religion, but you both skirt round the facts and giggle like you're both in a 6th form debate.
@@GaryParris Robinson would not have been charged for contempt of court in the US. Robinson did not plead guilty to making libelous claims against the Syrian boy. Also, I'm not a fan of either Robinson or Peterson but Robinson is being used for political purposes. He shouldn't be in prison for what he did.
Peterson isn't really cheerleading Robinson either. He just gave him a platform to speak. The trouble with this obsession in going after Robinson is that he's being built up as a martyr. Musk on the other is using Robinson to try to get Farage out and Lowe in. Lowe is a hardcore Austrian economist. Better to leave Farage as leader. Just stop going on about Robinson. The reason Americans are supporting Robinson is because they have a much better sense of justice and free speech and can see Robinson is being unfairly targeted with lawfare and endless lies in the media about what he has said and done even if he has said bad things.
Tommy Robinson has his flaws, some of which this academic has mentioned, and which may or may not be accurately portrayed. I don't know him, so I can't say for certain. All that said, I would like this 'philosopher' to put forwards something he has said about Islam that is not accurate. I would need to see some serious proof to know that this guy Jack even knows a fraction of what Tommy Robinson does about the subject and the effect it has on politics doubt that with all his academic credentials. In addition, Tommy Robinson has faced physical attacks, threats, threats against friends and family, endless smears on his reputation and has done a great job of gathering credible evidence about it all. If I had maintained a public profile as he has, speaking honestly and candidly (as far as I can see from my due-diligence) as he has, I cannot guarantee that I would always keep my cool and make the most balanced and considered statements on every issue, especially those causes related to and in alliance with those who lie threaten and try to harm me, my principles and all those I hold dear. I think in the fullness of time, he will be vindicated and I think that will be what he will be remembered for, rather than his improprieties, of which he has spoken about himself. Even the contempt of court case he is currently imprisoned for, the film has now been publicised and can be easily seen in full, so I challenge one and all to watch it and form their own opinion. Attempting to label people as ignorant, ill-informed, brainwashed, racist and far-right without rationally refuting/countering the points, sources and conclusions they have come to is counterproductive and intellectually dishonest. I hope the debate moves on from there to the actual facts and motivations, which on many subjects, including the Arab-Israeli conflict, requires one to face up to the fact that people even in the internet age can accept to be willingly deceived by comforting warm words, rather than face harsh truths. And the speakers for transparency and accuracy are sometimes demonised for performing this function.
You've got that wrong mate. Biological anthropologist Helen Fisher said once that humans are optimized for survival, not happiness. I agree. We're here to have children and we should try and make that journey as happy as we can.
No.. he lied about a young Syrian lad, got sued, lost the libel action (because he told lies) was ordered not to repeat those lies… immediately did so and was arrested for contempt of court and pleaded guilty to contempt and was jailed… He’s an idiot, not a political prisoner.
@ if you are jailed by a politically appointed position for a civil crime he is political prisoner. He was not convicted by a jury. The Syrian lad was certainly no saint, there were many aspects of the media reporting that were highly inaccurate. TR is also no saint, few effective activists are, but he is a hero for fighting for the survivors. If he crosses the line occasionally for the cause so be it
@ Judges in England and Wales are not politically appointed, they are appointed by an independent body the Judicial Appointments Commission. Yaxley-Lennon ignored a court order and has been punished with imprisonment as a result. It isn’t a criminal sanction so no jury. Contempt of Court proceedings are quite normal in Common Law jurisdictions, and everyone is subject to sanction for refusal to comply with court orders, this isn’t a special situation. Yaxley-Lennon doesn’t care about the victims of CSE, he just wants his followers to think that only brown people commit grooming offences… which isn’t true.
My house is "Full of junk", does that mean my house is Full of junk or does it mean I have a house with various electronics spares in it along with perfectly functional things I use for day to day living.? Exactly, it's a term of expression, my house IS full of junk yet I'm on my recliner keyboard warrioring in my livingroom onto my 55" television using my PC.
There is a convenient confusion (for the far right) between what should be allowed to be said, and what is right or wrong to say. Stating that someone has said something wrong does not detract from their freedom to say it. Words can have many different uses and individually are hard to demarcate as in themselves wrong or right, or warranting being outlawed. Context is key. Context plays a role not only in the meaning, but strength of influence. This reaches into network theory and what can be consitituted as hubs on a network, like a convetional newspaper, but equally a influencer with 100k followers. A reasonable level of fact checking should be expected on those who partake in influential roles in our social network that should be in the realm of the law. Outside of this there are plenty of things that shouldn't be, but should be allowed, to be said. As a listener we should be equally compelled to call this out. This promotes the practice of reason among the populus as well as the sense of freedom of speech.
@@rollthetape88 The context is that when something is called out for being wrong or offensive it's automatically assumed that it is equivilant to saying that you shouldn't be free to say the offending utterance. Often it isn't a matter of 'free speech'. It is what is known as a strawman argument and Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon (stage name Tommy Robinson) has been guilty of such fallacies many times.
i do like this channel, but guys you dont have to be a tommy robinson fan to see that his recent documentary has some seriously important information in it, and to say its all libellous is just not true. it would be way better to criticise whats wrong with him whilst also being truthful there are genuine things he has campaigned for. its the ignoring or downplaying some of these things that only emboldens the view held by many people that he is a political prisoner. I do wonder if either of these two have watched the recent documentary. It has 154 million views for a 2 hour documentary. if interested google silenced documentary on X and it will come up.
It contains defamatory statements a court order said he was not allowed to make, which incidentally have nothing to do with grooming gangs, following his loss in a defamation case because he could not prove the truth of these statements to the civil standard (which is not a particularly high bar, unless of course you don't have your ducks in a row). The law-abiding process is to appeal against the defamation judgment or apply to vary the court order. The sticking your fingers up at the law process is to ignore the court order, ignore the contempt proceedings begun against you after your first four breaches of the order, breach it another six times, fail to turn up at a contempt hearing because you fancy a holiday, and then end up in prison.
I went on Joe Rogan last year and told him to de-platform Tommy Robinson... That went well, Rogan is notoriously far left these days isn't he? Christ almighty.
I am a Muslim woman who got basic Islamic education. I love Islam and would've probably hated life hadn't I been a Muslim. Islam is the truth whether you admit it or not.
Billionaires are addicted to wealth. The definition of a behavioural addiction includes continuing to do the thing even though it's causing harm, getting hold of the thing taking precedence over other areas of life, tolerance i.e. needing more and more of it and craving (...) Billionaires are very VERY ill.
It's a worsening problem in the British media I'm afraid. The over representation of privately educated / grammar school educated journalists and the over coverage of London / the South East over anywhere else. To become a journalist you normally need to get the grades to get into a Russell Group uni, afford the tuition fees, then have the connections / financial independence to do internships in London. Then even if you get a paying job, it's likely in London which means insanely high house prices / rents. It's very hard for a kid from a working class background to be able to do any of that.
I’m seriously worried that the likes of Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Tommy Robinson and now Zuckerberg can so easily stir up the far right shit show. I’m now in the process of coming off X, Facebook and Instagram and switching to Blue Sky
I would agree with Ava here that JP has always been an agitator in his time in the spotlight. He may very well be knowledgeable in his field (Which maybe is Jacks point) but what he uses that knowledge and his position for has quite often been dangerous and misguides people. I refuse to believe a man with his intelligence does not know that he often mischaracterises things he is talking about, an academic who acts in bad faith is always sad.
No I think that he embraces politics not out of strategising but out of earnest care and interest. Just because he's political doesn't mean he's corrupt
Jack Symes seems to think that we all need more RE lessons to understand Islam. What about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Rakib Ehhsan. Ed Hussain, Ben Habib, Son of Hamas, Maajid Nawaz? Do they not know Islam? I suspect it is Jack that doesn't really understand Islam. Perhaps he should listen to more Muhammad Hijab? It's so easy to do ad hominem attacks on TR, he is after all a very complicated and compromised, working class man who expresses himself crudely and does not have the intellectual finese of a Douglas Murray or Christopher Hitchens. But how about dealing with the actual issues related to the rape gangs: their motives, their excuses, those who protected them, the institutional corruption and incompetency that surrounded them and MOST importantly: the victims?
Ok you’ve listened to them. Now listen to: Timothy Winter, Celene Ibrahim, Karen Armstrong, Peter Oborne (has a documentary called: why the west is wrong about Islam) / Keith Ward, Thomas Bauer, La Paloma you tube channel. Something ironic is that one of the main drivers of conversions to Islam in the West is off the backend of Islamophobia. In some ways, conversions wise anyway; Islamophobia has been the best thing for Islam in the West. It is contributing to its increase. People also often mistake contemporary, political versions of it. Which is under the grip and manipulation of regimes, off the backend of in many cassis hundreds of years of colonisation which certainly have hardened it and deeply politicised it as well. But this is quite far removed from its classic/indigenous version.
@Thomo707 Thankyou for the list, I am familiar with a few of the names you provided, particularly Timothy Winter and Peter Oborne. I find it interesting that the people you suggest all seem to share a perspective that Islam is misunderstood and misrepresented and that, because of this deliberate 'othering' by Western politicians and media, muslims are actually victimized in the West. Clearly in the context of the rape gangs, the victims are not the muslims. Sadly the people you have listed don't have much to say about that.
@Thomo707 I'm familiar most of with the people on your list, especially Timothy Winter and Peter Oborne. They all seem to be people who see Islam as mischaracterized or misrepresented in the West. They tend to see muslims as the victims of 'othering' by Western politicians and media. Being converts or apologists they are far from objective. In reference to the UK grooming gangs, can we at least be frank about which religious philosophy the abusers come from and why it is a common denominator in this context. These abusers are not the ones being othered nor are they the victims.
@@Lino78-p3x I'm familiar most of with the people on your list, especially Timothy Winter and Peter Oborne. They all seem to be people who see Islam as mischaracterized or misrepresented in the West. They tend to see muslims as the victims of 'othering' by Western politicians and media. Being converts or apologists they are far from objective. In reference to the UK grooming gangs, can we at least be frank about which religious philosophy the abusers come from and why it is a common denominator in this context. These abusers are not the ones being othered nor are they the victims.
@@Lino78-p3x I'm familiar with most of the people on your list, especially Timothy Winter and Peter Oborne. They all seem to be people who see Islam as mischaracterized or misrepresented in the West. They also tend to see muslims as the victims of 'othering' by Western politicians and media. They do not convince me that the West has no reason to be critical of Islam.
X isn’t one of the biggest social media platforms. It’s just taking in their PR. Facebook has 5x more active users. WhatsApp, 5x. RUclips, 4x. Instagram, 3x. TikTok, 2.5x. Messenger, 2x. Snapchat, 2x. We chat, 2x. LinkedIn, 2x. Telegram, 1.5x.
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.
But platforms are multinational while laws are nation specific. it’s also a very low bar. as an example incite to violence laws might be stricter in one country than another. what’s illegal in the US may be legal in Central Asia.. Tommie R has broken the law including assaulting a woman so by your logic should be de-platformed ..
@@garydownes2111 So what if left wing propaganda like this incites someone to attack Tommy Robinson, as it has before, should these two be arrested if he gets attacked in the future? Oh suddenly I bet you're not so keen when its not two tier justice.
No because he is an arsehole. Russel brand has not been convicted of anything . Yet he uses him to Gaslight . Freedom of speech only if it agrees with him. Telling everyone what they need to do .Boring.And I dont even like Brand or Robinson.
@@TheDrexelUK A far left brainwashing you mean, anyone thats been to uni or especially if they work at one has gone through the far left endoctrination process, there are hardly any right wing lecturers working in uni's now. He refused to learn anything from what the far more intelligent Peterson tried to educate him with.
It would be helpful if you put Jack's name in either the title or description.
Thanks.
Indeed, I've been outside of the accademic philosophy world for a while and hadn't come across him before. It would be good to make it easier to search his work rather than skipping through the interview to confirm his name again.
Absolutely. Incredibly disrespectful.
It would be helpful when you are pointing this out if you could give the full name 😕 What is Jack's full name?
@@John12050 Jack Symes.
He introduces himself at the beginning of the video, but you're right, his name should be menstioned, it's Dr. Jack Symes
This is the age we live in. Robinson et al pose as defenders of free speech. When someone calmly and logically challenges their politics, you should expect online abuse. To make clear, there should be a rigorous national inquiry into Pakistan rape gangs and a wider debate and inquiry into the shocking scale of sexual abuse of children in UK from whatever the source. We should all be able to agree on this and for decisive action against all the perpetrators of sexual abuse and sexual violence.
There already has been a public inquiry. The Tory government who are now using the Musk inspired hysteria about it now failed to implement the findings when they were in power.
I hate the whole "innocent women and children" line. They're all innocent. The men included. The idea that the women and children are innocent but the men aren't is basically a concession to genocide.
There's a reason they say women and children, it's not through hatred of men, it's because of the fragility that people understand when women and children are victims.
We've done well in history having the safety of women and children being prioritised.
It's a precedent.
The extent to which they shelter and give succour to terrorists, they're certainly not innocent.
Palestine especially Gaza has always been trying to appeal to the world who says all men are fighters. That's why they don't talk about civilian men murdered most of the time.
So true.
Gaza? In most contexts when fighting a less conventional military enemy, "fighting age males" is nothing to sneeze at. Roughly 14 and up. They don't all take up arms, and we should make that distinction. But some of them do
I recall hearing about a marine biologist working at an aquarium who became depressed when he realized there was no porpoise.
Very nice
What most, if not all people missing is the Israeli lobby's involvement with Robinson as well as Peterson recently since he joined the DW !!!!! Robinson is actively working for division on behalf of Israel in the uk, hence that x post too
We need to start talking about the Jews
Oh be quiet
Divide the Brits cause infighting. Take attention away from the elites, neo-cons and zinits.
And the piblic fall for it hook line and sinker.
😄😅😆
Part of the grift? Mr Robinson's cousin was raped and his uncle's friend Mark Sharp died after an assault by Luton residents of Pakistani descent. I don't like everything Tommy says but he grew up on the streets of Luton unlike this well spoken philosopher who has probably never been in a street fight.
You can't tell these people that because they simply don't believe that place's like bury park exist and you know they don't have the balls to go and take a look.
Ironically a few days ago this same podcaster was saying that it was a disgrace that the grooming gang victims weren’t believed because they were working class and rough round the edges, yet dismisses Tommy Robinson in the exact same way. “If only he had decent R.E lessons like we did..teehee”
This bloke above is a wet wipe!
@@Norfolkandchance886 grew up in luton, my dad my sister and i regularly went to bury park, the only time any one of us felt unsafe was when there was a football match or when the edl did marches.
If those are true, and I've no reason to think that you're lying, then those are crimes that should be prosecuted. It certainly isn't a justification for demonising groups and inciting fear, hatred or violence against them.
I have no idea how having been in a physical fight adds to Tommy's credibility or even that that's something we should be considering to be a prsiseworthy thing
Who is this guy? Why his name is not in the title?
He said his name and profession in the first 5 seconds
Dr Jack Symes
Clicks
A poorly educated champagne socialist. 🎯😂😂
Exactly @@gizmo5601
Thanks
Rogan's views change depending on who he's talking to.
Bingo
We change with the facts human Joe is a good lad he has never said he was perfect 😊
@@gullygullible9774He’s a massive cnt and if you’re British you have no business listening to that shite
He's like indecisive Dave off the Fast Show.
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@@gullygullible9774 yes, you are meant to change your mind dependent on the evidence presented...however, you are also meant to have; principles, critical thinking skills and the ability to parse propaganda, facts and their context, Joe Rogan has repeatedly demonstrated he does not possess, or is paid not to possess, these faculties.
Very odd decision to stick Tommy Robinsons names in the heading and description but the name of the philosopher you are talking to throughout this video is nowhere to be found. Bizarre.
Clickbait
I think it`s a very good decision. Philosophers are 10 a penny, Tommy Robinson is unique and very brave - for all his faults. He`s surrounded by enemies and critics, yet still he fights on for the little girls who were brutally raped by hundreds of muslim men, whom we`ve only recently been allowed to speak about - or even call them out for what they are. Come down off your high horses, Tommy is not educated to your level but - ........."even the dull and ignorant have their story to tell`. He`s lived amongst these communities and has watched it all happening and that`s what made him angry.
@@daisyhobbs7500 Your horse is higher, need a ladder?
@@daisyhobbs7500 He has convictions for violence and dishonesty, he's put at risk grooming gang trials, he gambled away six figures while receiving donations from supporters, and he's subject to a stalking prevention order. There are far better people than him working in this field.
Hes a self titled philosopher, hes not really 9ne, just a big gas bag really
It's hard to take someone seriously when their main rebuttal technique is to roll their eyes and smile.
It easy when the attacking points are as reliable as saying Santa Clause is real.
Which statements are you referring to? This is a bit vague.
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@joegreenwood86 U know that Muslims are not allowed to even shake hands with women and this idiot is saying the Quran is promoting rape 🤣
Some surviving victims from Rotherham have said that they wouldn't be alive without public support. Free speech is a lifeline, not a luxury.
False Flag racist troglodytes are us.
Them being saved had absolutely nothing to do with Tommy Robinson. They were saved because social workers who knew the girls went to the authorities
The EDL did absolutely nothing to advance justice for the victims though. Don’t be fooled.
@mynewcolour The EDL ?
That was disbanded over a decade ago. Robinson exposed the rape Gangs solo. Then his persecution began
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA...
Why isn't this being mentioned ?
He is an Enemy of the State.
I think these two are so naive. I say this as someone who’s well versed in Islam. Part of my family is Muslim. My wife herself was raised within a Muslim household.
As the saying goes evil exists when good men do nothing. For far too long due to political correctness and fear of offending a religious community institutions were complicit. You don’t have to like Tommy but at least he had the balls where others didn’t to sound the alarm.
What I’d like to see is less finger pointing about Tommy, Rogan and Peterson and more honest discussion about how to tackle elements of the ideology which are problematic so that the next generation don’t experience the ordeal of girls gone by.
That requires tough unpleasant and unpopular topics being discussed and hard grown up conversations. A lot of these issues are cultural but have credibility in schools of jurisprudence, tafsirs and authentic hadiths. These things need addressing. I growing up had to wrestle with them. My wife had to wrestle with them. At this moment in time Jack is too eager to please the establishment here. People downplay the religious element of these attacks at their peril.
Churches carrying about abuses for centuries in UK has tommy ten names said a peep. 🤡
Could say exactly the same of Christianity.
Im trying to reply to you but all my comments get deleted. And I'm a moderate.
@@3brenm It's not a conspiracy - sometimes comments just don't get through irrespective of the content.
@@3brenmI've had that issue too sometimes, when commenting on my phone...like I am now, hopefully it gets through 😄
I think there are issues when watching shorts that are suggested beneath the video you're commenting on, did the comments end up on one of those shorts? That happened to me.
Philosopher being used in the loosest of terms here 😂
Jordan is paid by daily wire.. Enough said
He’s been hijacked by the Zionists
THISSS!!!
Gaslighting at it`s finest. Let`s talk about the victims for once.
The f are you talking about?
Tommy Robinson made it harder to get justice for the victims by breaking the law.
Funny how you don’t care at all about victims of SA from white males 🤷🏽♂️
What aboutism
Shamima Begum was a victim of trafficking. Yet for some reason the far-right see her as a perpetrator, almost as if their only goal is to fuel hatred towards Muslims, which it clearly is.
Dr. Jack Symes, for anyone that's wondering who the guest is
What does he do , just curious, seems knowledgeable
@@sallyb3806 Professor of Philosophy of religion. He teaches courses and lectures on that topic amongst others that may lay adjacent. Edit: and conducts research.
A champagne socialist. 😳
@@muttley5958 which does nothing to devalue his opinions or knowledge - just shows off your bigotry
@@muttley5958 Really!
He is obviously completely the wrong type of person to be teaching philosophy.
Hows so?
You would need to prove Essentialism as a concept before you can claim there are "types of people". Then you'd need to prove which types of people are correct philosophers, then you would need to identify which type of person Jack is. Doesn't seem like you've done any of these things in your argument, therefor it isn't valid or sound. Try again, philosophy lover.
@@christofthedeada philoserpher nobody has heard of ffs
I personally find these 2 insufferable.
Why suffer then
@@johncarroll772 to keep an eye on how crazy the far left are.
@@johncarroll772 Same reason why we go to the zoo to see the animals.
They are some self important bores .
Oh look! There are other videos on this webpage, try one of those then and don't "suffer" at all.
At 09:40: Nit picky - but there are allowances for victim testimony to be recorded and not given in front of their abuser. Not as prevalent as perhaps it should be, but misleading to suggest we don't do that at all in the judicial system.
It's quite common with child victims
I was homeless, got into drugs, went into prisons, then i got to know Jesus, He changed my life.. Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH!
How did you do it? Do explain please 😯
My family have been into series of sufferings lately
All thanks to Anna Kathleen Sanford
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.
I do know Anna K. Sanford, I also have even become successful....
Absolutely! I've heard stories of people who started with little to no knowledge but made it out victoriously thanks to Anna Kathleen Sanford.
These two are so far from knowledgeable. Absolute waste of time watching this.
No this man is obnoxious he was rude and condescending to a young woman on Piers interview boasting about his credentials to suggest he was more knowledgable than her just because he didn’t agree with something she said. Had to stop watching after that as I’m about to do now
I thought he was fantastic & fact checked her. If you choose to believe that woman then it shows you just want to buy into the hate narrative and dont care for evidence that dr Jack was citing.
You mean they don't agree with what you hear on GBeebies.
Too subtle for your binary worldview? Go get an education
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The fact that JP said on Piers Morgan that Tommy Robinson was his chief source of information from Britain suggests he should no longer be taken seriously.
It’s quite interesting that since coming out of his medical induced coma he’s been moving with a christian crusade like agenda.
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA...
Why isn't this being mentioned ?
He is an Enemy of the State.
Bruv .l named me 2 xl bully Tommy n Robinson. I nose what's going down, bruv ..you tryna cancel him..President Starmer is not good bruv
Yeah, I thought that was really weird. The UK media in general has covered this extensively and even the BBC hasn't pulled its punches. He said that TR has been his main news source for the last 15 years. I think he might be fibbing to prop up his recent TR affiliation.
Yes you just stick to the BBC and the government for your source of information.
6:52 "There is only one inborn error, and that is the notion that we exist in order to be happy….So long as we persist in this inborn error, and indeed even become confirmed in it through optimistic dogmas, the world seems to us full of contradictions."
Arthur Schopenhauer
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA...
Why isn't this being mentioned ?
He is an Enemy of the State.
This is just the beginning…circa 1930s Germany
Point to the 20% of these crimes committed by Brits of South Asian descent. Whilst, ignoring the state-sanctioned violence via The Church of England🤷🏾♂️
You people never think you deserve any reckoning for putting muslims ahead of your own people. Loyalty & love of country are like poison to you things. How tragic for England.
Did Labour order the church abuse covered up as well then?
If 3% of the population is commiting 20% of the crime, then that is a massive problem within that section of the population. That is something that needs addressing.
I don't think the church was running prostitution and gang rape, drug rings.
@@williamjohnson5229south Asians make up less of sexual crimes in the uk than they make up the population
I think it's a good point on teaching more RE in schools so you have a greater understanding of people's beliefs. It would go a long way towards changing people's warped perspectives on religion. Even if you're atheist or agnostic (like I am) it's a good idea to know "why" so you don't get people like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon "making shit up".
Correct. I went to a Catholic Convent school. We had to learn about the major religions of the world. We knew all the basic tenets of other religions and even visited a mosque and talks to an imam so we could ask him questions (we went to a Gurdwara ,Temple and synagogue too). None of us grew up with anymore animosity towards people of those religions than our own! 😂
Blind faith is not belief, it's foolish. This is what we should be teaching
@@daftgowk1 Most religious people have a lot more capacity for nuance than you give them credit for. I used to think like you, but I it's only a minority of religious people I've met who I would describe as having 'blind' faith. It's comforting to think you are smarter than everyone else, but try a bit of humility, listen to people etc.
@ValQuinn you don't need to preach to me. I have lived with most religions, married to a Hindu. Its all culty nonsense used to cause harm, this is the story of the human race so i can understand teaching history, but not treating lies as fact, nor teaching culty nonsense.
@@ValQuinnI have lived with most religions, married to a Hindu. They are all cults used to cause harm, this is the story of the human race so i can understand teaching history, but not treating lies as fact, nor teaching cults as a subject
The problem nowadays is that everyone is throwing everyone under the bus simply to gain on social media ( make money ).... No action is taken on anything just a lot of hot air for 30 minutes before they go on their next podcast.......
I agree with many of the things that you're saying, especially regarding Tommy Robinson, Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk, however, I think when we're talking about the mainly Pakistani-British nonce gangs, it doesn't serve the victims to skirt around the subject by repeatedly mentioning various other types of paedophilia. Paedophilia, in general, isn't the subject at hand, the subject is this particular type of crime that seems to have a cultural and religious component; experts on the subject such as Trevor Phillips, Ann Cryer, Sara Rowbotham, Simon Danczuk, Sammy Woodhouse, Maggie Oliver, Nazir Afzal and Andrew Norfolk will all tell you the same thing. Ignoring the elephant in the room is how we've ended up in this mess in the first place and we shouldn't be afraid of acknowledging hard truths when children's lives are at stake. No one's saying we shouldn't prosecute all the different types of paedophilia, or that it has to be one or the other. They're noticing a pattern that's occurring across the country, that appears to disproportionally involve a specific community, and want to get to the bottom of it.
I agree that we should implement the recommendations from the Jay report while simultaneously commissioning a national inquiry into grooming gangs. The more data we can collect, the better.
And if there was another national inquiry, and it ended up agreeing with the Home Office's own report in 2020, which, while not without faults, found that Asian gangs were not disproportionality involved in group base sexual abuse - do you think people would accept those results?
Very well articulated - and for me the only sensible opinion.
@@pwimbledon The subject isn't Asian gangs, it's specifically Pakistani-British Muslim gangs. But yes, provided the information is in-depth and presented transparently, I expect the majority of people would accept the findings if that happens to be the case.
Completely agree
@@pwimbledon The subject isn't Asian gangs, it's specifically majority Pakistani-British nonce gangs. But yeah, if the inquiry is fully researched and it shows proportionally there's no issue, I believe most people would accept the results.
It’s so irritating when the guy giggles when he says something that he thinks should be obvious to others.
Tommy said because no one else would say it, cowards
Why did the community and religious leaders of all these cities not stop or report the perpetrators over all the yers that these endemic rapes, torture and trafficking going on? Why the silence?
Because it wasn’t related to religion and there are no such thing as Pakistani “community” leaders
Why do you assume that they would be aware of all the crimes within the community? Why are you not reporting all the crimes in the community around you? Why the silence?
Jack, debate David Wood and / or Apostate Prophet.
No, the only way to face criminal charges for any kind of speech in the United States is if it involves an immediate threat of danger or violence. That standard is high when it comes to threats to an individual and it’s much higher when the threat is towards the government.
What Tommy Robinson said might get him a civil suit from an individual for defamation, but from what I could tell, there is absolutely no way he would receive a fine or face jail. The idea that someone would face jail time for something said online that isnt a reasonable and credible threat of immediate violence is bizarre and Orwellian to me.
You may be right that Mr Robinson would not be in prison in the USA for his behaviour, although there are 50 states along with the District of Columbia, and about 20 states have criminal defamation laws (punishable by prison albeit rarely in practice, and for which criminal contempt sanctions may be allowed). Damages are also a thing there. Either way, Mr Robinson's wrongdoing was in the jurisdiction of England and Wales.
On ten occasions (to which he admitted) he chose to breach a court order that he stop making a specific set of defamatory statements about a boy who had sued him for defamation and won. Aggravating factors in considering the period of his committal (time in prison) included the fact that contempt proceedings were begun after the first four occasions but he nevertheless went on to do it another six times; and that during these contempt proceedings he failed to attend a hearing he was ordered to attend (another contempt in itself). He did all that instead of adopting the law-abiding approaches of appealing against the defamation judgment or applying to vary the court order.
Incidentally, instead of paying damages he has declared bankruptcy; he told the court he was in lots of debt and that he had gambled away £100k while receiving donations from supporters. If someone won't be punished after a trial concludes there was defamation then there is no point in defamation law and you might say that's all to the good but, to me, it's not obviously true that an adult who can't support their claims to the civil standard should be free to make a sustained campaign of defamatory statements about a child, causing misery, harassment and other consequences.
If Mr Robinson had no previous convictions including one for illegally entering the USA, perhaps he would be able to live in a more defamation-friendly US state,
@arfurascii2232 how could that boy afford to go through the court's?
Legal aid is a complete joke
Ask Trump, he'll explain how he'll be doing that.
@@arfurascii2232 The bar is very high
I'm afraid I can't accept this female as a serious interviewer. This is clearly a hit piece against Tommy Robinson. The 'philosopher' is clearly trying to cause damage to Tommy Robinson's reputation. A very bad piece of journalism. Someone sent him a WhatsApp? The information missed her completely? Sorry, it just doesn't ring true. Pathetic.
I made it 5 minutes before I'm turning this off. No one deserves solitary confinement for speaking out. These 2 better hope they never find themselves in Tommy's spot.. but it could do them good so they see how extreme they themselves are.
Robinson is in jail for contempt of court, not for 'speaking out'. He's in solitary for his own safety.
Smug, also forces a hard smile to attempt to get you on his side, poor tactic, can see right through it
please point me towards this statement tommy robinson made were can i find it?
Probably made up by the Guardian as usual, the media have been caught lying many many times, like claiming he pleaded guilty one time when he was never even told what the charge was so couldnt have pleaded guilty, even the court of appeal had to admit that.
It's weird, I would support the people I oppose to be given platforms because I'm confident in my beliefs. I want their ideas in the open so they can be challenged and shown for how absurd they are.
Its a double edge sword because on one hand you're correct in wanting to be able to challenge those ideas with the belief that your ideas are more rooted in facts and understanding, but on the other hand its a lot easier to brainwash a society with misinformation than it is to educate them or "deprogram" society that is paralyzed by some dangerously stupid world view. Thats why i agree with Joe in that free speech should be a means to an end because although free speech is important to a morally just society it doesn't mean free speech can't be used as a trojan horse or vector in bringing about the destruction of a society.
@@one_of_the_Bobs This is wrong. Brainwashing happens when free speech doesn't exist. What we want is everyone to say what's on their minds and society decides whether they are wrong or right.
@@one_of_the_Bobs Who decides which views are "dangerously stupid"?
Aye....there's the rub.@@richardgullick1867
@@richardgullick1867 Most effectively it's public shame that arbitrates what is objectionable/dangerously stupid. For example if you say publicly today what 50 years ago would be commonly heard and accepted about certain races, genders, sexual preference etc then most people around you would tell you to stop being a dick. That sense of shame works quite well to safeguard norms and protected categories - if you think about verbalising a racist thought, you may decide not to because of the social effect / backlash. The overton window on these issues has only shifted because of the hard work and risks taken mostly by members of the persecuted groups (feminist movement, anti-racist campaigners etc). The problem with social media is that it is anonymised and depersonalised, and the profit incentive and structure means that it achieves the opposite effect. The most objectionable views are magnified because they drive engagement and clicks, and the most objectionable people gain larger audiences for the same reason. So it's not as simple as giving platforms to people from a wide range of views and letting the marketplace of ideas decide on which ones are correct, because that will never be possible with the incentive structures and profit model of large social media platforms.
Can you add the name of the philosopher to the title?
This guy talking likes to extrapolate from theory and assumption.
Could we see him talking to victims of these rape gangs, with demeaning tone that he seems to like using, or going to the areas being reported as being troublesome 👍🏼
Hear me out people:
When influencers show off their counterfeit Chanel bags on TikTok to get you jealous and angry - that’s overconsumption rage bait.
This is a “philological” rage bait to drive online engagement.
I refuse to believe you can be that ignorant, in this smug voice, and not rage baiting.
"The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) in England and Wales was an inquiry examining how the country's institutions handled their duty of care to protect children from sexual abuse. It was announced by the British Home Secretary, Theresa May, on 7 July 2014. It published its 19th and final report on 20 October 2022."
These two are nauseating
I think more of this is what we need, clear talk with all sides being seen, with truth and facts, imagine if the main stream news was like this.
Haha you mean you want even more far left propaganda because youre not brainwashed enough or you enjoy being kept ignorant?
"I have a degree in religion"
The audience: This man has no knowledge
😂degrees dont equate to knowledge, they equate to you parroting your professors talking points for 4 years.
@@johnwayne9828 But the stuff like doing sexual stuff without consent is told by Non-Muslims is true right? That's what happened in the Piers Morgan interview they mocked him instead of trying to show verses.
The fact that your more concerned that TR has a platform, he has gone out of his way to shed light on government and police cover ups let alone the damage Islam is doing to Britain and the west as a whole! Let’s all hate on JP and TR for saying things you don’t want to hear!
Peterson got his start saying the most utterly objectionable things about trans and gender diverse people in Canada. He has *long* been off the edge. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge his rhetorical skills in various psychology lectures and so on, but the idea he is only now radicalised in a dangerous way is about 5 years too late, I'm sorry. He just played the role of prosperity padre for young men better than many others.
He was against laws being mandated that tried to force his people to use l specific anguage, which is an understandable position.
Jack is correct that JP went bat shit after joining right wing news organizations.
Nathan Robinson had his number years ago when he wrote about Peterson in Current Affairs. Peterson's scribblings in Maps of Meaning were the canary in the coalmine.
Not really. His views on transgender people align with the majority of people in the UK. Most people don't think kids can be given puberty blockers, that's just reality
Like it or not, the trans activists managed to trick the medical community into giving out treatment with scant evidence. Its a national scandal, not a surprise most normal people in the UK know it's wrong to mutilate kids
How middle class and boring
What about the rape victims is that not the important thing
Not to these people, they have to cover for Labour and their fantasy of "diversity is our strength".
@@sonofsomerset1695 Not to Tommy who makes millions from this.
@sonofsomerset1695 You’re a hack and you don’t care about victims. The conservatives have been in power for nearly 15 years, what did they do? Tell me
Jack you are giving a very good example of epistemic trespassing here. Stop it. 'Epistemic trespassers are thinkers who have competence or expertise to
make good judgments in one field, but move to another field where they lack competence-and pass judgment nevertheless. We should doubt that
trespassers are reliable judges in fields where they are outsiders.
(Ballantyne,N. (2019),'Knowing our Limits', Oxford University Press pp. 198-219.
I'm not sure they can question muhammad though. The quaran says that you cannot offend muhammad, that he was obedient to all of allahs commands, that you cannot ask questions that may lead you away from faith (Surah 5:101-102)(Quran 33:53). It doesn't seem like this is a problem which can be solved, especially as muhammad is a terrible moral example in most western moral frameworks. Most of the Muslims I know are absolutely lovely, but for the outliers who I have met, who can blame them???
Secularising is a good response to this, let's stop defending religion and work on harmonising. At the same time, let's stop attacking religion as that could slip into genocide, and causes pushback.
using religious texts to justify anything isn't productive as the contradictions require interpretation
The Quran always asks you to question and think deeply
How middle class and tame, trouble is you never lived in the trenches
Or the sewers.
“You never lived in the trenches” cringeee
What fkn trenches were Robinson or Jordan Peterson in? Fkn none of them did any service but you glaze them like they did 🤡
@@marcbaigrie2295 its metaphorical dumb dumb
Neither did you. Get over yourself.
This guy comes across as very arrogant. Seems put out because people are not listening to his clearly superior opinion. I'm not a fan of Robinson by the way , but Im even less of a fan of preachy Narcissists.
Quick question.
Have you ever taken a good long hard look at yourself in the imaginary mirror?
Are you sure you watched the same video?
Wow an upset JP fan? did the man hurt you with his words? his free speech words?
Drivel
typical university educated, he's probably woke as well, has he ever had a real job, my bet he has worked in education all his life
So he is well educated on the matter then. Fyi being a educator is a real job. Nice chip on your shoulder.
@@TheDrexelUK Nah, Jordan Peterson is well educated on the matter, he's spoken to T.R. in depth and researched the facts, this guy is just spouting the usual far left misinformation and didnt learn a thing that Peterson tried to educate him with.
@@sonofsomerset1695 "Far left" - you wouldn't know the "far left" if it walked up and slapped you in the face. That comment right there means you have zero credibility.
I've always thought this about JP. He really caught my attention in the early days of championing academia and mental health, and now seems to have done an angry 180 and gone down this absurd hard right channel.
It would be helpful to have a definition of 'far right', this term is used so freely, I want t check the people using it mean the same thing.
Same with far left.
currently the view is if you want to keep children safe, then of course, you're far right.
@@rollthetape88 who is saying that?
Far right is mildly Conservative most of the time. The left have gotten away with so much engineering that they've managed to gaslight people into thinking they are extreme for resisting mass migration and LGBT theory. Push back
@@rollthetape88 I want to keep children safe & I'm a very proud leftist. I'm proud to be against grooming gangs but not against Muslims.
When did Tommy Robinson say this about Palestine? Unlike most universities and so called academics, some people in the UK are still patriotic. The Syrian boy was 19 years old. Anybody from the working class is considered unworthy of having a view. Bye know all!
why is there a picture stalin ow i mean starmer in the back ground
they have been pushing pro starmer hard on here. They 're on the wrong side of history for sure.
If you believe Starmer is akin to Stalin then you really are as dim as your comment suggests.
@@bev48 you're right, Stalin answered to no one. Starmer is following the WEF.
These two are your typical smug people who are extremely opinionated but so far removed from the actual problems that they don’t have the slightest idea what’s going on in there rich liberal cities.
Texts, ideas, and arguments can be analyzed and deconstructed for clarity or critique, but individuals, with all their complexities, cannot be reduced to mere fragments. This distinction is key in fostering constructive discussions while respecting human dignity.
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I think youre ego is getting in the of the trurths and to be fair a majority of uk citizens see it to.
2:43 and 10 seconds of JRE podcast,,, rewatch yourself at that moment and tell me you still stand by that denial statement of the grooming gangs you made,, wally
A philosopher may be fascinated to watch this clip, and ponder whether the questions asked give their game away...
An academic would do well to research the subject discussed more thoroughly before opinionating.
Lots of ignorance about religion for sure but it's a two way street. I had religious studies at school. The only kids who didn't attend were some Muslim kids because their parents told the school they didn't want them learning about other religions.
Tommy is innocent and Jacks hatred for Tommy trumps anything Tommy has “tweeted”” oooh hurty words,, joke
Why did he plead guilty then Einstein? Put your bumper pack of cristmas crayons down and put your thinking cap on.
He plead guilty for breaching the court order put on him,, he broadcasted the documentary in front of thousands of people in London,, Gillaine Maxwell
Oh and ps,, the court case about the Syrian boy, he never plead guilty to that,, and one of the reasons he failed to convince the judge that his documentary was accurate is because all the people he undercover interviewed in the documentary had Non Disclosure Agreements they signed when they were paid off so he couldn’t use them as witnesses, you grooming sympathiser
An 18 year old school dropout can cast a vote, but you reckon Elon Musk lacks the competency to talk about politics.😹
Yea what’s jacks full name?
jack symes
We used to have Parental Guidance to what our younger gen can watch, the problem nowadays is we have videos like this, a biased labeled 'Dr' giving advice when he hasn't put his dummy down for long but he's managed to sway education and now has a title, the dangerous thing about that he's even a lecturer for the sheep, but he doesn't even mention why we even have phobia and the facts that back them up and found this show to be very biased, to show the majority of say rape gangs like in Rotherham, are made up of 85% of one religion, but you both skirt round the facts and giggle like you're both in a 6th form debate.
God. Five minutes in and already numerous lies. Stopped watching.
Its pretty shocking how uninformed these “educated” people are!
[citation needed]
which lies are those? if it was about tommy, jordon or elon, chances are you are fan of one or all and simp hard!
@@GaryParris Robinson would not have been charged for contempt of court in the US. Robinson did not plead guilty to making libelous claims against the Syrian boy. Also, I'm not a fan of either Robinson or Peterson but Robinson is being used for political purposes. He shouldn't be in prison for what he did.
Peterson isn't really cheerleading Robinson either. He just gave him a platform to speak. The trouble with this obsession in going after Robinson is that he's being built up as a martyr. Musk on the other is using Robinson to try to get Farage out and Lowe in. Lowe is a hardcore Austrian economist. Better to leave Farage as leader. Just stop going on about Robinson. The reason Americans are supporting Robinson is because they have a much better sense of justice and free speech and can see Robinson is being unfairly targeted with lawfare and endless lies in the media about what he has said and done even if he has said bad things.
Tommy Robinson has his flaws, some of which this academic has mentioned, and which may or may not be accurately portrayed. I don't know him, so I can't say for certain. All that said, I would like this 'philosopher' to put forwards something he has said about Islam that is not accurate. I would need to see some serious proof to know that this guy Jack even knows a fraction of what Tommy Robinson does about the subject and the effect it has on politics doubt that with all his academic credentials.
In addition, Tommy Robinson has faced physical attacks, threats, threats against friends and family, endless smears on his reputation and has done a great job of gathering credible evidence about it all. If I had maintained a public profile as he has, speaking honestly and candidly (as far as I can see from my due-diligence) as he has, I cannot guarantee that I would always keep my cool and make the most balanced and considered statements on every issue, especially those causes related to and in alliance with those who lie threaten and try to harm me, my principles and all those I hold dear.
I think in the fullness of time, he will be vindicated and I think that will be what he will be remembered for, rather than his improprieties, of which he has spoken about himself. Even the contempt of court case he is currently imprisoned for, the film has now been publicised and can be easily seen in full, so I challenge one and all to watch it and form their own opinion.
Attempting to label people as ignorant, ill-informed, brainwashed, racist and far-right without rationally refuting/countering the points, sources and conclusions they have come to is counterproductive and intellectually dishonest. I hope the debate moves on from there to the actual facts and motivations, which on many subjects, including the Arab-Israeli conflict, requires one to face up to the fact that people even in the internet age can accept to be willingly deceived by comforting warm words, rather than face harsh truths. And the speakers for transparency and accuracy are sometimes demonised for performing this function.
This guy speaks language of youth. Privileged youth it seems. Of course he does not understand veteran warrior.
The closest Yaxley has been to being a warrior was watching the Anglians come home. I did more daring do during my NAAFI breaks in Depot than him.
Who's making the decision to upload 3 videos in 3 hours?
I saw this guy earlier. He just used insults, no evidence or stats. Looked very weak and silly.
You've got that wrong mate. Biological anthropologist Helen Fisher said once that humans are optimized for survival, not happiness. I agree. We're here to have children and we should try and make that journey as happy as we can.
Stop using your platform to talk about tommy and start using them to talk about the rape gangs, and islamic rape coultur if you want him to go away.
LOL, I'm sure Joe Rogan really took notice
Tommy is a political prisoner
He’s not. He’s a criminal.
If you are jailed by a politician you are a political prisoner.
No.. he lied about a young Syrian lad, got sued, lost the libel action (because he told lies) was ordered not to repeat those lies… immediately did so and was arrested for contempt of court and pleaded guilty to contempt and was jailed… He’s an idiot, not a political prisoner.
@ if you are jailed by a politically appointed position for a civil crime he is political prisoner. He was not convicted by a jury. The Syrian lad was certainly no saint, there were many aspects of the media reporting that were highly inaccurate. TR is also no saint, few effective activists are, but he is a hero for fighting for the survivors. If he crosses the line occasionally for the cause so be it
@ Judges in England and Wales are not politically appointed, they are appointed by an independent body the Judicial Appointments Commission. Yaxley-Lennon ignored a court order and has been punished with imprisonment as a result. It isn’t a criminal sanction so no jury. Contempt of Court proceedings are quite normal in Common Law jurisdictions, and everyone is subject to sanction for refusal to comply with court orders, this isn’t a special situation. Yaxley-Lennon doesn’t care about the victims of CSE, he just wants his followers to think that only brown people commit grooming offences… which isn’t true.
Did Jack mean that Religious Education in Britain is mandatory up to 16, not 18?
"Hello I'm Jack Symes and I'm clueless." Saved you 30 mins.
I bet you'd wipe the floor with him in a head to head debate. 😂
@@bev48 I would
He speaks a lot of sense....now you on the other hand
My house is "Full of junk", does that mean my house is Full of junk or does it mean I have a house with various electronics spares in it along with perfectly functional things I use for day to day living.?
Exactly, it's a term of expression, my house IS full of junk yet I'm on my recliner keyboard warrioring in my livingroom onto my 55" television using my PC.
There is a convenient confusion (for the far right) between what should be allowed to be said, and what is right or wrong to say. Stating that someone has said something wrong does not detract from their freedom to say it.
Words can have many different uses and individually are hard to demarcate as in themselves wrong or right, or warranting being outlawed. Context is key.
Context plays a role not only in the meaning, but strength of influence. This reaches into network theory and what can be consitituted as hubs on a network, like a convetional newspaper, but equally a influencer with 100k followers. A reasonable level of fact checking should be expected on those who partake in influential roles in our social network that should be in the realm of the law.
Outside of this there are plenty of things that shouldn't be, but should be allowed, to be said. As a listener we should be equally compelled to call this out. This promotes the practice of reason among the populus as well as the sense of freedom of speech.
and what is the context of your post? is tommy robinson right to bring a spotlight on this issue?
@@rollthetape88 The context is that when something is called out for being wrong or offensive it's automatically assumed that it is equivilant to saying that you shouldn't be free to say the offending utterance. Often it isn't a matter of 'free speech'. It is what is known as a strawman argument and Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon (stage name Tommy Robinson) has been guilty of such fallacies many times.
i do like this channel, but guys you dont have to be a tommy robinson fan to see that his recent documentary has some seriously important information in it, and to say its all libellous is just not true. it would be way better to criticise whats wrong with him whilst also being truthful there are genuine things he has campaigned for. its the ignoring or downplaying some of these things that only emboldens the view held by many people that he is a political prisoner. I do wonder if either of these two have watched the recent documentary. It has 154 million views for a 2 hour documentary. if interested google silenced documentary on X and it will come up.
It contains defamatory statements a court order said he was not allowed to make, which incidentally have nothing to do with grooming gangs, following his loss in a defamation case because he could not prove the truth of these statements to the civil standard (which is not a particularly high bar, unless of course you don't have your ducks in a row).
The law-abiding process is to appeal against the defamation judgment or apply to vary the court order. The sticking your fingers up at the law process is to ignore the court order, ignore the contempt proceedings begun against you after your first four breaches of the order, breach it another six times, fail to turn up at a contempt hearing because you fancy a holiday, and then end up in prison.
Tommy robinson named twice in title and description of video. The guy in video i don't even know his name.
Thats because Tommy Robinson is someone important, this guy isnt.
Posh Boy does not know the truth. This is a waste of time.
I hope you never meet the King of England. You ain't gonna like him Fam. Man got bare bling tho bruv.
I went on Joe Rogan last year and told him to de-platform Tommy Robinson... That went well, Rogan is notoriously far left these days isn't he? Christ almighty.
Brits are renowned for sarcasm 😅😅
Completely disagree with this take here.
Jack Symes has several times pontificated on Islam from a perspective of complete ignorence. He is making a fool of himself
I am a Muslim woman who got basic Islamic education. I love Islam and would've probably hated life hadn't I been a Muslim. Islam is the truth whether you admit it or not.
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A 30 year old philosopher doesn't know anything about anything.
laughable , still sitting yellow 😆
@@AM1465thats not true, he probably knows a fair bit about Islam itself, but unfortunately not about the way it is so often practiced.
It would be nice if you had someone working class on your channel. I guess its a meritocracy😅😅
It's a worsening problem in the British media I'm afraid. The over representation of privately educated / grammar school educated journalists and the over coverage of London / the South East over anywhere else. To become a journalist you normally need to get the grades to get into a Russell Group uni, afford the tuition fees, then have the connections / financial independence to do internships in London. Then even if you get a paying job, it's likely in London which means insanely high house prices / rents. It's very hard for a kid from a working class background to be able to do any of that.
I’m seriously worried that the likes of Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Tommy Robinson and now Zuckerberg can so easily stir up the far right shit show. I’m now in the process of coming off X, Facebook and Instagram and switching to Blue Sky
Has it ever occurred to you that you might the one that's wrong?
Run Forrest run.
But he isn't...
I would agree with Ava here that JP has always been an agitator in his time in the spotlight. He may very well be knowledgeable in his field (Which maybe is Jacks point) but what he uses that knowledge and his position for has quite often been dangerous and misguides people. I refuse to believe a man with his intelligence does not know that he often mischaracterises things he is talking about, an academic who acts in bad faith is always sad.
No I think that he embraces politics not out of strategising but out of earnest care and interest. Just because he's political doesn't mean he's corrupt
I think he knew once, but the benzos melted his brain and now he does it genuinely, instead of out of pure grifting malice as before.
Jack Symes seems to think that we all need more RE lessons to understand Islam. What about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Rakib Ehhsan. Ed Hussain, Ben Habib, Son of Hamas, Maajid Nawaz? Do they not know Islam? I suspect it is Jack that doesn't really understand Islam. Perhaps he should listen to more Muhammad Hijab?
It's so easy to do ad hominem attacks on TR, he is after all a very complicated and compromised, working class man who expresses himself crudely and does not have the intellectual finese of a Douglas Murray or Christopher Hitchens. But how about dealing with the actual issues related to the rape gangs: their motives, their excuses, those who protected them, the institutional corruption and incompetency that surrounded them and MOST importantly: the victims?
Ok you’ve listened to them. Now listen to: Timothy Winter, Celene Ibrahim, Karen Armstrong, Peter Oborne (has a documentary called: why the west is wrong about Islam) / Keith Ward, Thomas Bauer, La Paloma you tube channel.
Something ironic is that one of the main drivers of conversions to Islam in the West is off the backend of Islamophobia. In some ways, conversions wise anyway; Islamophobia has been the best thing for Islam in the West. It is contributing to its increase.
People also often mistake contemporary, political versions of it. Which is under the grip and manipulation of regimes, off the backend of in many cassis hundreds of years of colonisation which certainly have hardened it and deeply politicised it as well. But this is quite far removed from its classic/indigenous version.
@Thomo707 Thankyou for the list, I am familiar with a few of the names you provided, particularly Timothy Winter and Peter Oborne. I find it interesting that the people you suggest all seem to share a perspective that Islam is misunderstood and misrepresented and that, because of this deliberate 'othering' by Western politicians and media, muslims are actually victimized in the West.
Clearly in the context of the rape gangs, the victims are not the muslims. Sadly the people you have listed don't have much to say about that.
@Thomo707 I'm familiar most of with the people on your list, especially Timothy Winter and Peter Oborne. They all seem to be people who see Islam as mischaracterized or misrepresented in the West. They tend to see muslims as the victims of 'othering' by Western politicians and media. Being converts or apologists they are far from objective.
In reference to the UK grooming gangs, can we at least be frank about which religious philosophy the abusers come from and why it is a common denominator in this context. These abusers are not the ones being othered nor are they the victims.
@@Lino78-p3x I'm familiar most of with the people on your list, especially Timothy Winter and Peter Oborne. They all seem to be people who see Islam as mischaracterized or misrepresented in the West. They tend to see muslims as the victims of 'othering' by Western politicians and media. Being converts or apologists they are far from objective.
In reference to the UK grooming gangs, can we at least be frank about which religious philosophy the abusers come from and why it is a common denominator in this context. These abusers are not the ones being othered nor are they the victims.
@@Lino78-p3x I'm familiar with most of the people on your list, especially Timothy Winter and Peter Oborne. They all seem to be people who see Islam as mischaracterized or misrepresented in the West. They also tend to see muslims as the victims of 'othering' by Western politicians and media. They do not convince me that the West has no reason to be critical of Islam.
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I disagree No one should be de-platformed unless they're breaking the law
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA...
Why isn't this being mentioned ?
He is an Enemy of the State.
But platforms are multinational while laws are nation specific. it’s also a very low bar. as an example incite to violence laws might be stricter in one country than another. what’s illegal in the US may be legal in Central Asia..
Tommie R has broken the law including assaulting a woman so by your logic should be de-platformed ..
@@garydownes2111 So what if left wing propaganda like this incites someone to attack Tommy Robinson, as it has before, should these two be arrested if he gets attacked in the future? Oh suddenly I bet you're not so keen when its not two tier justice.
And who are you to tell someone to deplatform a peron because you do not like him get a life Dr.
Yup, they have to deplatform people that they cant beat by debate, because they dont have the facts on their side.
Jack Vile
If you watched this, a good next step is to watch Jordan Peterson's interview with Tommy Robinson to see if you agree with "Jack".
This guy seems really full of himself.
Who should he be full of?
What because he has an education?
No because he is an arsehole. Russel brand has not been convicted of anything . Yet he uses him to Gaslight . Freedom of speech only if it agrees with him. Telling everyone what they need to do .Boring.And I dont even like Brand or Robinson.
@@TheDrexelUK A far left brainwashing you mean, anyone thats been to uni or especially if they work at one has gone through the far left endoctrination process, there are hardly any right wing lecturers working in uni's now.
He refused to learn anything from what the far more intelligent Peterson tried to educate him with.
@TheDrexelUK no because clearly hes a Jeremy
mate I want I want to believe you ,where's the evidence that Tommy Robinson tweeted that ?
After listening to this Ive started to like Brand and Robinson.
Trump likes the poorly educated 😊
And you'd be correct.
Nick Robinson?
@@markderby29 Rock on Tommy.