Great video and explanation on the two methods. I use both methods too, just never thought about the difference. I just did what needed to be done to get the result I was hoping for. 👍👍👍
That sheds some helpful light! I was beveling some seaxes recently and wondering about the practical and functional differences between spreading and upsetting blows. Thanks!
No worries! Seaxes benefit from the compression style of forging, especially when you get the preform right, as they don't have a riccasso, and should be beveled into the tang much like traditional tanto.
@@echoloc8 haha all good, it's only necessary if you're going for historical accuracy. Many "modern" seaxes incorporate a short stepless ricasso in front of the bolster.
Sam Towns, Bladesmith Speaking of, what’s your opinion re bolsters? Saw a few knife forum posts saying that there’s no historical evidence for bolsters or butt caps on seaxes.
@@echoloc8 haha i can provide evidence against that statement, the tower of london and the wallace collection both have hilt fitting assemblies from anglo saxon and viking seaxes that are made from various materials such as steel and brass, to gold and silver with jewelling. There have been a number of seaxes recovered which did not have bolstersx or had bolsters made of a natural material. But there were definitely seaxes with bolsters and buttcaps.
Thanks Sam learnt a lot from that, i'm not a blade maker, have made a few kukri's and the odd utility knife but this advice on the edge and angles and bevels is really good. Cheers mate.
I imagine the compression method means a heavier blade for a given final blade width over the pinching method. If so does that mean that if you want a lighter wide blade you go for modern steel and pinch method? Or is there very little difference?
Given the same amount of material, neither gives a heavier blade. It is simply the difference in final shape that is effected by the method of forging.
Sure, but if the final profile and width was the same (say 50mm chef knife for example)would you have a noticeably heavier knife from the compression method using “old” steel compared to modern steel pinched out to same profile? I suppose it depends on the density of modern steels. Maybe a silly comment but it’s what went through my mind when you were explaining the different methods
@@SzonSer so the density isn't effected by the forging style, the only reason that the compression method is used is to avoid tearing the linear weld lines in traditional material, so if the volume of stock is the same in both pieces they will weigh the same.
I don't know Samson, he brought out a piece of wood, and it split from pinching! Couple with the fact that he's very mysterious forging at night in a dark medieval castle that's more than likely the keep where an ancient battle climax to it's conclusion which more than likely ended with the spirits of the slain manifesting as the hallow opacity of an obscuring echoe. The plain truth, clear as lateral unequivocal declarations of steel transcending it's true form! He's also foreign and can pronounce Japanese sword talk and is more than likely trained in Bushido, " Za way ov da wo•ya! " You'll kick the crap out of him, I'm just saying be wary of shadows because a shiroken might fly out of its empty darkness at you! He's mysterious.....! very mysterious.....!
![FNAF Into the Pit has A LOT of Unused Graphics | LOST BITS [TetraBitGaming]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6YhZCRdipl4/mqdefault.jpg)
Matt and Illia are awesome, but so are you Sam
Bless ya Sam
For what it's worth, I use BOTH methods, particularly when making s shaped blades... same works for sheet metal... shrink, or stretch
Great info Sam, good to be aware of these different styles regardless of preference
Thanks mate!
Great video and explanation on the two methods. I use both methods too, just never thought about the difference. I just did what needed to be done to get the result I was hoping for. 👍👍👍
Yeah, it's not often discussed. Thanks!
That sheds some helpful light! I was beveling some seaxes recently and wondering about the practical and functional differences between spreading and upsetting blows. Thanks!
No worries! Seaxes benefit from the compression style of forging, especially when you get the preform right, as they don't have a riccasso, and should be beveled into the tang much like traditional tanto.
Sam Towns, Bladesmith Aha, I had forgotten that you mentioned beveling into the tang for seaxes. Hope I can correct mine!
@@echoloc8 haha all good, it's only necessary if you're going for historical accuracy. Many "modern" seaxes incorporate a short stepless ricasso in front of the bolster.
Sam Towns, Bladesmith Speaking of, what’s your opinion re bolsters? Saw a few knife forum posts saying that there’s no historical evidence for bolsters or butt caps on seaxes.
@@echoloc8 haha i can provide evidence against that statement, the tower of london and the wallace collection both have hilt fitting assemblies from anglo saxon and viking seaxes that are made from various materials such as steel and brass, to gold and silver with jewelling. There have been a number of seaxes recovered which did not have bolstersx or had bolsters made of a natural material. But there were definitely seaxes with bolsters and buttcaps.
I love your videos. Thank you 🙏🏼 so much that information really helps.
You're very welcome, glad they help!
Thanks Sam learnt a lot from that, i'm not a blade maker, have made a few kukri's and the odd utility knife but this advice on the edge and angles and bevels is really good. Cheers mate.
Cheers mate, glad it helps!
This is good to know!!! I usually just grind the bevels haha.
Haha that's also an option
I'm sold!
I imagine the compression method means a heavier blade for a given final blade width over the pinching method. If so does that mean that if you want a lighter wide blade you go for modern steel and pinch method? Or is there very little difference?
Given the same amount of material, neither gives a heavier blade. It is simply the difference in final shape that is effected by the method of forging.
Sure, but if the final profile and width was the same (say 50mm chef knife for example)would you have a noticeably heavier knife from the compression method using “old” steel compared to modern steel pinched out to same profile? I suppose it depends on the density of modern steels. Maybe a silly comment but it’s what went through my mind when you were explaining the different methods
@@SzonSer so the density isn't effected by the forging style, the only reason that the compression method is used is to avoid tearing the linear weld lines in traditional material, so if the volume of stock is the same in both pieces they will weigh the same.
New press .?
Yup! Selfmade 20T hydraulic
So your striker is now out of a job 😉
@@robert_wylie haha not completely, but for big stock absolutely
I don't know Samson, he brought out a piece of wood, and it split from pinching! Couple with the fact that he's very mysterious forging at night in a dark medieval castle that's more than likely the keep where an ancient battle climax to it's conclusion which more than likely ended with the spirits of the slain manifesting as the hallow opacity of an obscuring echoe. The plain truth, clear as lateral unequivocal declarations of steel transcending it's true form! He's also foreign and can pronounce Japanese sword talk and is more than likely trained in Bushido, " Za way ov da wo•ya! " You'll kick the crap out of him, I'm just saying be wary of shadows because a shiroken might fly out of its empty darkness at you! He's mysterious.....! very mysterious.....!
🤣🤣 thanks mate, Ilya is a pretty cool dude
@@SamTownsBladesmith But very mysterious...no wait you know him? Like personally?
@@jaymuzquiz2942 haha we've never met
LOL hard to get the anvil and the top of your head in the same pic when you are 9 feet tall
Both techniques require skill
FIRSTIRIDOO
Correctiridoo!