Pokémon Platinum & Legends: Arceus - Of Myths and Pocket Monsters
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum marked a turning point in the series with the transition to new hardware, 3D models, and more ambitious storytelling via lore significant Pokémon. All of this was done in pursuit of Masuda's ambition for the "ultimate" Pokémon games. But did he accomplish that goal? Let's find out through an analysis of all the Legendary Pokémon, music, and locations in Pokémon Platinum that are used to build upon the lore of the series.
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Kayjulers could have made “das kapital” but Karl Marx could never have made “Pokémon Platinum: Of Myths and Monsters”
The contrast between the attempts at progression like in sunnyshore and veilstone and the preservation of the past in celestic town and mount coronet was really well done, Gen 4 is a masterpiece
I appreciate the attention you pay to the soundtrack, it's an aspect that is too often ignored when discussing the themes and messages a game is trying to convey. And that's especially true for a series like pokemon which isn't too text-heavy, so the music ends up pulling a lot of weight. Excellent video!
Thank you so much! Yeah, I’ve always been of the opinion that a memorable soundtrack can elevate a game from just great to outstanding and a lot of that comes down to how significant it is to the game’s identity itself. Plus, it gives me an excuse to gush lol
Sinnoh was always my favorite region, so I'm really glad it's gotten so much attention over the past year and a half. BDSP, while absolutely flawed, has gorgeous visuals and a beautifully remastered soundtrack, and Legends: Arceus wound up becoming my new favorite game in the series. These games are amazing!
Also fun fact, in one of my playthroughs of Platinum, I ended up catching Giratina and immediately checked its nature. It was Lonely. 🥺
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-Ars Phone-
I haven't gotten to try BDSP yet, but I do really like how they handled the soundtrack for most songs! I'm definitely happy about that since ORAS let me down with a healthy amount of the remasters. Legends: Arceus was really the breath of fresh air I needed and I'm excited to see what they do with it.
Words cannot express how happy I am that someone else seems to be as passionate as I am about the design of the Sinnoh region. While Unova has its characters and philosophies to give it depth, Sinnoh turns to its amazing skill at establishing an immersive and coherent world thats dripping in history. I find it a pretty genius move how the legendaries in the respective games reflect that and that allows me to enjoy both even though I'm not fond of their designs.
Edit: Also, this is mainly spitballing on my part, but I think the theme of space might be related to the more gameplay focused aspects of Sinnoh's designs. With the addition or Rock Climb and more liberal use of waterfall, the region has an unprecedented amount of verticality that is really unmatched in most entries. I know HMs are a contentious feature in Pokemon, but their use in Sinnoh makes the world feel a bit more involved. Like it wasn't made for you to explore, but God damnit you're gonna do it anyways.
There's actually an interesting parallel that I found between Legends: Arceus and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (no, it's not gameplay related). Spoilers for both down below.
This parallel lies in their main antagonists, Volo and Amalthus. Both are manipulators who are obsessed with their respective creator deities. They both seek to meet God and destroy the world, and their motivation is derived from seeing the worst of humanity or suffering from the realities of life. In short, they hate their worlds.
Their devotion to God seems absolute, yet it is twisted in such as way that neither deity would actually approve of. Even after their final defeat, they hold firm to their twisted faith, yet question what God finds lacking in them.
_"Almighty Arceus, if you have any heart within you, then tell me... The blood of the ancient Sinnoh people flows in my veins, does it not?! What is it, then, that you find so lacking in me?!"_
-Volo
_"Father... Why do you not answer when I call...?"_
-Amalthus
They both want to be the ones to meet God, and when Rex and Rei/Akari look like they'll be the ones who will do so instead, they lose it.
_"So Arceus wishes to meet you... Of all people, you had to be the one... Is that why you were brought to this world? Gah! I've no desire to watch from the sidelines as Arceus comes to you! And I absolutely cannot accept a world in which you would ever manage to defeat Arceus..."_
-Volo
_"That is not your right! It is mine!"_
_"No soul alive... may sully the Architect's presence!"_
-Amalthus
Its pretty tragic all things considered. Two individuals, hurt by their worlds in such a way that they gain a twisted loyalty towards God, resulting in a dark path that they continue to walk down despite being shown that they are wrong.
...Though it makes you wonder if it can even be called loyalty to begin with.
One last unrelated similarity, but neither Volo nor Amalthus are the final boss of their respective main storylines.
Quite an interesting analysis on the Gen 4 games. Sinnoh is probably one of my favorite regions in Pokémon so it’s interesting to hear about the level of detail that went into the games. Also, Legends Arceus is such a love letter to the Gen 4 games. Not just in terms of locations, but also characters and sound design. It was awesome.
Thank you! Yeah, I loved Legends: Arceus and I’m glad I got it! I’d love to see Gen 5 get a Legends title where we might see the original dragon.
@@KayJulers Me too. In fact, Gen 5 is the one I want to see get a Legends variant the most. Heck, that was the first thought that came to my mind when Legends Arceus was announced. I would love to see what the original dragon looked like and how exactly it split up into Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem.
Great video glad to see the diversity of videos between this and the regular Xenoblade videos.
I appreciate it! I think it’s more fun for me to mix it up.
I remember playing Legends Arceus for the first time: I didn't have that nostalgia factor since I hadn't played Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum before then, but the visuals and fresh gameplay made up for it big time. The Edo Period stylization won me over instantly, along with the snazzy character customization. Everything about Arceus captivated my attention. I don't regret the countless hours flying around in search of certain pokemon to spawn for the pokedex completion.
Loved the vid Kjuler! Keep up the awesome work
Glad I’m getting the chance to watch this now, sinnoh was my first and favourite region and it holds so much nostalgia for me, going back to these games just makes me feel like a kid again and I love it
Arceus' Theme is still one of my favorite in all of media to this day, not because it slaps of course but because of what it represents and how it pulled it off perfectly. This is GOD's Theme, you walk up to God ready for a Pokemon Battle and the very soundtrack itself is shouting *You've Gone Too Far Beyond. Only One Resides Here, And It Should Stay That Way.* (this rings even more true in the original gen 4 games when the Arceus Event was legitimately never meant to be accessable after they decided to not release the trigger item)
I truly find your Pokémon content underrated, the way you present something most people don’t pay attention to in such depth and intrigue is so good
In the context of space, I kinda like the idea that that's represented in the way history is very ingeained into the material space (fancy words for different locations) of the region, like the spear pillar being a physical remnant of the sinnoh temple, how towns with the most history circles the mountain, and the existence of celestic town in general.
Even the foreshadowing of the red chain via the location of the three lakes (how the lakes circle the region, forming a triangular boundary) is very grounded in how the region is mapped out.
But yeah, I just think that's interesting.
I haven't been into Pokemon in a long time, but I played a ton of Platinum as a kid when it first came out, and this video unlocked a bunch of nostalgia I didn't know I had for it more than 10 years later. I think I'm gonna have to revisit Platinum and pick up Legends Arceus someday now that I've seen this.
Platinum is a really solid entry and does a bunch of things right! If you enjoyed it, then I'm certain you'll enjoy Legends: Arceus because it feels familiar, yet fresh.
Conceptually its direct opposition, but Dialga and Palkia also have a fierce rivalry with each other. So much so, that they're also secluded to their own dimensions prior to Cyrus summoning them to Spear Pillar.
More people need to watch your videos, always making bangers king
Thank you, dude. Much appreciated.
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When God creates life has always made my question why Willy Wonka just didn't make us all into chocolate bars
Loved this video. You perfectly explained why Gen 4 is my favorite and why Platinum is my favorite game ever. The lined faces and red eyes being shared with Arceus and the Creation Trio is so cool to me for some reason. Was dying at the "Look at it!" "where the most interesting Lorelei-s" clips. The dissection of the games' themes being conveyed through the mechanics, OST, & even the stat distribution of the Lake guardian was great. As for how space ties into the game, think about all the new evolutions for older Pokémon with some having location based evolutions (Glaceon, Leavenworth, Magnezone, Probopass), require you to befriend your Pokémon with high levels of friendship (which would require you to travel a lot) or have trading as a requirement (which ties into you thinking about the emphasis on the GTS). There's also the Underground and emphasis on HMs. Admittedly time is easier to convey but I think space was done well. Funny that I got this channel recommended on the same day my best friend recommended the Xenoblade series to me. Will have to watch your videos on the series once I've played them but I'm subscribing either way.
i'd say the space element is best explained as the way in which the environments change over time. space is the area in which things exist and time is the order in which things happen, they aren't so much things as they are ways of measuring things. because of that i'd say space is best depicted in these games as the many different things that happen when the time changes. in a more concrete way i think you hit the nail right on the head earlier in the video when you mentioned the metroidvania elements, but i think the concept also applies to all of the other things that change visually or interactively from day to day and as the story progresses. the ever evolving way you explore this space throughout the time spent with it really strikes me as the best marriage of these concepts within the gen 4 games; very appropriate, i think, for two concepts as inseparable as space and time.
Great video! After this video and the black and white one, I would love to see videos on the other generations of Pokemon.
WHAT A VIDEO!!!!
this vid was really frickin good and you actually managed to teach me something new about one of my favorite games with the lake trio cave puddles wow
Thank you and glad to hear I could show you something new!
I was hoping you might mention it, but rather than being antimatter, it's possible that Giratina might better embody gravity. Time and space are certainly important, and matter probably wouldn't exist without them, but time and space even in our world are merely two sides of a trio of concepts; the remaining side being gravity. Gravity _distorts_ time and space, and fluctuations in time and space can cause gravity. No 2 of these concepts can exist without the third, at least according to General Relativity.
Now combine this with the existent, but chaotic gravity in the Distortion World, the fact that Giratina switches between a heavy grounded Altered Forme and a 0-legged Origin Forme with Levitate, and the fact that the player character doesn't spontaneously get annihilated upon stepping into the Distortion World.
Yes, I've seen Lockstin's video on the topic, but I'd actually come to the idea on my own before having watched that video because it's such a natural completion to the duo of time and space.
-I also may or may not have a Giratina in one game named "Billie," after a certain character heavily associated with both antimatter -_-and-_- gravity.-
It was confirmed over and over again that Giratina represents anti-matter, not gravity, by the developers and the games themselves.
Gravity is weird in the Distortion World because Space and Time is distorted there, not because Giratina controls gravity.
@@Distortion23 "Gravity is weird in the Distortion World because Space and Time is distorted there," I could just as easily say it's the other way around since that's exactly what gravity does. Space and time also do not embody matter and say nothing about the existence of antimatter. The best concept to use to complete a trio with time and space is gravity and will be for as long as General Relativity is the accepted theory.
@@angeldude101 Ok but since Palkia and Dialga represent matter, it makes more sense that Giratina represents anti-matter rather than gravity.
Giratina representing anti-matter is also stated by Game Freak and by Cynthia in HGSS's Arceus event.
@@rayon8958 But... they don't? Time and space have nothing to do with matter specifically and everything to do with gravity.
@@angeldude101 They do.
Space-time and matter are linked, look it up.
Basically, There is no space-time without matter, and there's no matter without space-time.
Besides, it's OFFICIAL that Giratina represents anti-matter in its world while Palkia/Dialga represent matter in the real world.
Great vid! Makes me wanna replay Platinum just for the music
Omg the night time pokemon center is a vibe. Here again after watching a lot of your Pokémon videos on your channel I just love the way you can discuss the game and bring me to life at some thing like I’ve always likes to know I never really realize much about a lot of the subtle music changes but I appreciate them so much more now sorry if I’m leaving too many comments I just really appreciate your work and I can’t wait for the next Pokémon video
Loved the Mario bit
Generation 4 was awesome! Gameplay wise it's probably the first game in the series that truly shined in my opinion thanks to the physical special split, and the lore it added to the series did alot to flesh out the world of pokemon as well as the relationship people have with them (even if some may find that past relationship a bit questionable).
After playing Pokemon competitively for so long, I couldn't imagine a world where the physical/special split never happened. I'd honestly like to see them try to tackle a set of Legendaries with as much significance to the large-scale world if it's even possible.
@@KayJulers I think it's only matter of time before we get something like that. Some of Arceus's plates do mention them having the power of defeated giants infused into them and given the significance of the plates its safe to assume it couldn't have just been any old legendary we've seen before.
great video! I can tell a lot of deep thought was put into the progression of the script. thanks for putting it together :)
That's very kind of you! Thank you so much for watching!
Honestly an excellent video
Thank you!
Amazing video! I love this generation and seeing how much love you put into this one is amazing!
Thank you so much! Happy to hear I did the generation justice!
Amazing video and analysis I really enjoyed it! 😄
Thank you so much!
I can’t believe I missed this video in my sub box, this was so good! Gen 4 is such a treasure
I apprecciate this video a lot.
I always thought Gen 4 was just.... more Pokemon, the same schtick, but with how you explain it, I can see how much depth they put on when it comes to the worldbuilding of this universe. You did a great job describing your feelings towards the Sinnoh region.
I still haven't tried out Legends Arceus yet, but I will soon, and I can see it's an experience that will deliver a lot of feelings to stay from years' end on.
Original Sinnoh definitely has its weak points, but yeah there's a lot of heart and interesting stuff on display in these games that I love! Thanks for watching and I'm glad I was able to express my thoughts clearly.
Legends: Arceus definitely feels the most fresh the series has in awhile and I really hope we see more of it, albeit refined, in the future. Hope you enjoy it!
such large content with high quality, subbed yesterday when watching 9 9 9 series. you have too few subs wtf!
Arceus theme hits different…
Man, I never got into Pokemon, but this video was really interesting! Keep up your great work.
Thanks so much! I appreciate you watching it despite not being too invested in the series.
One time I caught a pokemon that whenever I took it to the pokemon center in platinum it sayd the pokemon had a a weird virus or symptoms and it was nothing bad but it actually cause the pokemon to grow stronger faster .it was in platinum and it was legit a random pokemon I caught.
Space is probably represented by the vertical progression of the game toward mt coronet, but thats just my opinion
Pokemon Snap analysis when?
this only having 5k views is a crime
Banger video
It should be noted rhat everyone who pronounces Arceus as "Ar-koos" is most likely a Pokémon Talks fan, or a general MandJTV fan. Pokémon Talks, a popular series made by MandJTV, is where the "Ar-koos" pronunciation came from. The current official pronunciation is "Ar-key-us", though personally I prefer the more obscure pronunciation "Ar-kay-us".
Great stuff
Do you think you'll make other Pokemon videos?
I think certainly from time to time! Admittedly, the frequency of Pokemon videos might be affected by how well they do, but I like the series too much to stay away.
New sub going back to watch your xenoblade videos.
Get into that Xenoblade Chronicles hype train
manaphy is also hatched from an egg
how the fuck does this video only have 7k views
Legends: Arceus did nothing for his namesake legendary. For what the “God” of all Pokémon is capable of, I don’t know why GameFreak are deciding to be holding back so much!
Ice cream is born from eggs science backs that claim
Anyone who says Ar-koos is a mouth breather
Sinnoh is the most overrated region behind Kanto in my opinion.