Definitely one of my favorite bands. They used a TON of different tunings and time signatures. Nothing was standard about these guys. I think they may have had only one song in standard tuning on that entire album, which was Fell On Black Days, I believe. Very cool video.
This was a cool departure from what you normally do. Always look forward to Friday Fretworks. I’m still watching the Digital vs. OrIginal Fuzz episode. The tones and playing in that video are really something special.
It sounded like they used 2 mics that were slightly out of phase causing the comb filtering and cancelation in the mids a bit. Killer video as always man!
Very very close. One thing a lot of people forget with any kind of Rotary speaker effect, is that it is a type of speaker can they are trying to emulate. So therefore having a pedal in front of an amp (real or modelled) will never quite hit the spot. I put my rotary speaker simulator in the effects loop and it gets me a lot closer but will still never be exact. If you are using an amp modelled using software you would need to split the sound just after the amps power amp. Sen done feed to a cab emulation and another to an output and the rotary speaker pedal then back into,the computer and both feeds into the same “room” emulation. It’s quite complex and you would need to ask yourself if you can be bothered to come out of the “box”. Thank you Chris. I enjoy this stuff it’s the kind of geeky stuff I try. Self.
Wow, great job! Even though he is using a Vibratone, with the pitch shift upwards it sounds closer to a sound I can get on a univibe. These are really educational videos, so thanks for sharing your process with us.
The original probably has a tiny bit of EQ to push the mids and roll off some bass but that's getting the track to sit in the mix of the record . Good job Chris
Nice one. Sounds pretty close. A couple of years ago I bought a Mesa revolver for the real deal Leslie guitar sound but to be honest I hardly ever use it on gigs as it’s big requires more stuff to bring. It’s just easier to use a good pedal most of the time.
Everyone would know what you’re playing for sure with that tone so it gets the job done. I’m no audio engineer but Seems like maybe the original had all the bass stripped out and the mids EQed very high compared to yours. Has that AM radio mids all the way up sound.
Good catch, Yes Cornell was a huge Beatle fan. Kim Thayil deserves a lot of credit for what he did on the track-he made it sound like a Soundgarden track.
Bit late to the party on this one tbh. However a great video, I think you’re a bit harsh on yourself here, an excellent version. Has the swag and attitude of the original. Great work Chris.
I was JUST playing this song in Guitar Rig last night for some reason & BOOM, Chris does a tone video on it! Speaking of Guitar Rig 5, there is a stock preset called "Black Sun Garden" that gets you pretty close to the verse sound...but doesn't do the chorus sound. But thanks to this video, I've got a good chorus tone now. 😊 Thanks, Chris!
Only this song.. Nothing since 1980 was near as good as 1955-1980 rock and roll. We all know none of these bands will ever bas as big as the Beatles, Hendrix, Zeppelin, etc.
You underestimate the reach and influence of Gun's and Roses during Appetite for Destruction. Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Steven. Iconic names... well maybe not Steven, but everyone who was awake in the late eighties recognizes the other four.
Great video. It's pretty pretty close. Here are my observations which would I think make the sound even closer. I think that everything else the same, having his exact guitar wouldn't make almost any difference with this many effects. Original sounds a bit further away from us and more muffled. Don't know which pick up you used, maybe he used neck??? You have a more pronounced attack, the picking sound, which makes it sound closer. They might have used some compression with fast attack to tame those down, but they defenitely used some tape saturation which also rounded those peaks and introduced some nice harmonic distortion which further coloured the sound. I measured the signals with a spectral analyzer and the original has more low end which then makes mid and high frequencies (where a lot of that attack is) less pronounced. I think the original might have some more reverb, more phasing, a little bit less mids, sounds wider (more stereo), like they recorded that leslie speaker with two mics and like you said, sped up tape definitely degraded and coloured the sound making it sound more muffled. Thanks for the video!
Yeah I got fairly close by changing the tuner set to 435hz, then up a half-step, could play along with the CD without it doing my nut in, nice video by the way Edit, drop E flat of course. cheers
Well, you have used mostly digital emulation to recreate and in most cases nail the same tone. I say this has been a total success and this comes from a guy that turns his nose up to software.
With modern equipment. Option paralysis is an easier thing to claim, than to have overcome and act like you created an original sound. This is an incredibly misleading opinion.
You got pretty damn close. In fact, I almost prefer your sound when they're compared! It's like a hi-fi version!
Thanks for the video!
Definitely one of my favorite bands. They used a TON of different tunings and time signatures. Nothing was standard about these guys. I think they may have had only one song in standard tuning on that entire album, which was Fell On Black Days, I believe. Very cool video.
That's why I don't learn a lot of their songs, I don't want to be constantly changing the tuning of my guitars.
But even of Fell on Black days there are two different versions, one is in open tuning.
Having access to the isolated tracks here on youtube you absolutely nailed this. Great job
This was a cool departure from what you normally do. Always look forward to Friday Fretworks. I’m still watching the Digital vs. OrIginal Fuzz episode. The tones and playing in that video are really something special.
It sounded like they used 2 mics that were slightly out of phase causing the comb filtering and cancelation in the mids a bit. Killer video as always man!
Very very close. One thing a lot of people forget with any kind of Rotary speaker effect, is that it is a type of speaker can they are trying to emulate. So therefore having a pedal in front of an amp (real or modelled) will never quite hit the spot. I put my rotary speaker simulator in the effects loop and it gets me a lot closer but will still never be exact. If you are using an amp modelled using software you would need to split the sound just after the amps power amp. Sen done feed to a cab emulation and another to an output and the rotary speaker pedal then back into,the computer and both feeds into the same “room” emulation. It’s quite complex and you would need to ask yourself if you can be bothered to come out of the “box”. Thank you Chris. I enjoy this stuff it’s the kind of geeky stuff I try. Self.
Pete Thorn toured with Chris and they spoke about the speaker used and how Chris bought the speaker it on eBay years later .Great video .
Nice one Chris, I have missed these, you do them so well. 😎🎸✅
I literally just Instagramed the Beatles page that Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun was the last song I listened to that reminded me of them.
yep. Black Hole Sun’s main riff sounds like Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds´ main riff
It sounds close enough man. Good job. Filtertrons are a really special pickup!
Sounds perfect to me!
The original seems to have some phasing or flanging that I think you could add, but wow, aside from that, you nailed it!
You always do a great job with this series. Thanks! 👦🏻
Wow, great job! Even though he is using a Vibratone, with the pitch shift upwards it sounds closer to a sound I can get on a univibe. These are really educational videos, so thanks for sharing your process with us.
It would be funny to see you do a cover of their song 4th of July... though hard and heavy, even as a blues player myself, it’s a great tune
That song is my favorite Soundgarden song! It’s the slow, heavy riff that absolutely makes it so good
The original probably has a tiny bit of EQ to push the mids and roll off some bass but that's getting the track to sit in the mix of the record . Good job Chris
Great job man👍🏻. Very well explained and great history lesson.
Still waiting for those Australian tour dates Chris. Don't forget Perth.
Excellent job!
You play exactly the same... beautiful... Grunge is something change the way music evolution 🤟💀🥀
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Nice one. Sounds pretty close. A couple of years ago I bought a Mesa revolver for the real deal Leslie guitar sound but to be honest I hardly ever use it on gigs as it’s big requires more stuff to bring. It’s just easier to use a good pedal most of the time.
Everyone would know what you’re playing for sure with that tone so it gets the job done. I’m no audio engineer but Seems like maybe the original had all the bass stripped out and the mids EQed very high compared to yours. Has that AM radio mids all the way up sound.
That sounds awesome
Great job! I'd say the original is a little warmer with a little less bite. I wonder if something like thicker strings would mellow it out.
Anyone think the effects are a huge nod to The Beatles ? Here comes the Black Hole Sun ?
Good catch, Yes Cornell was a huge Beatle fan. Kim Thayil deserves a lot of credit for what he did on the track-he made it sound like a Soundgarden track.
Kim used a Hughes and Kettner Rotosphere o this song AFAIK but any Leslie-type pedal would do for sure.
When are you coming to Pittsburgh?
Bit late to the party on this one tbh. However a great video, I think you’re a bit harsh on yourself here, an excellent version. Has the swag and attitude of the original. Great work Chris.
Needs a touch of flange or phase.....other than that yes...
Well done.
Guitar rig needs a new update with new controller! Good job!
Nice!!
Been wondering about these tones as my band Krush is planning to cover this song.
I was JUST playing this song in Guitar Rig last night for some reason & BOOM, Chris does a tone video on it! Speaking of Guitar Rig 5, there is a stock preset called "Black Sun Garden" that gets you pretty close to the verse sound...but doesn't do the chorus sound. But thanks to this video, I've got a good chorus tone now. 😊 Thanks, Chris!
Recording seemed like it had a little more bass, but great overall
I’ve been using Monterey Keeley Rotary to play this song.
Never got into Soundgarden?
Sacrilege!
Timeless catalog dude.
Only this song.. Nothing since 1980 was near as good as 1955-1980 rock and roll. We all know none of these bands will ever bas as big as the Beatles, Hendrix, Zeppelin, etc.
You underestimate the reach and influence of Gun's and Roses during Appetite for Destruction. Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Steven. Iconic names... well maybe not Steven, but everyone who was awake in the late eighties recognizes the other four.
Great video. It's pretty pretty close. Here are my observations which would I think make the sound even closer.
I think that everything else the same, having his exact guitar wouldn't make almost any difference with this many effects.
Original sounds a bit further away from us and more muffled. Don't know which pick up you used, maybe he used neck???
You have a more pronounced attack, the picking sound, which makes it sound closer.
They might have used some compression with fast attack to tame those down,
but they defenitely used some tape saturation which also rounded those peaks
and introduced some nice harmonic distortion which further coloured the sound.
I measured the signals with a spectral analyzer and the original has more low end which then makes
mid and high frequencies (where a lot of that attack is) less pronounced.
I think the original might have some more reverb, more phasing, a little bit less mids, sounds wider (more stereo),
like they recorded that leslie speaker with two mics
and like you said, sped up tape definitely degraded and coloured the sound making it sound more muffled.
Thanks for the video!
I actually like your tone better....❤️
Well Chris Buck .... Your version is a bit more dynamic, which is no disadvantage in my ears.
Cool
Yeah I got fairly close by changing the tuner set to 435hz, then up a half-step, could play along with the CD without it doing my nut in, nice video by the way
Edit, drop E flat of course. cheers
Kim Thayil guitar?
Sounds like a comb filter on the chorus. That would be tough to duplicate
Not to be "that guy" but didn't Kim Thail play the verse parts?
I initially assumed that but according to Michael Beinhorn, it’s Cornell on the recording.
@@ChrisBuckGuitar Fascinating! It's been so eye-opening to learn just how much guitar Chis played in Soundgarden. Thanks for the clarification!
Maybe a preset for a Helix users! :)
I think with a hi pass filter and some noise added in, you’d be like 95% of the way there. Bang on otherwise!
Nailed it!
So so close. Maybe just some EQ to get closer?
It sounds like it has a flanger also
Whit bridge pick up??? or what
Well, you have used mostly digital emulation to recreate and in most cases nail the same tone. I say this has been a total success and this comes from a guy that turns his nose up to software.
Is There kemper profile for that tones ?
I dont think the rhythm guitars on the orignal track had any modulation on them. Could be wrong, haven't heard the track in a while.
Why dont you just use a real Leslie speaker? Why the substitute? Just use the real Leslie speaker. You can get them anywhere here in the USA.
The Vent is overrated. The Thermion Black Sun will get you there easily.
With modern equipment. Option paralysis is an easier thing to claim, than to have overcome and act like you created an original sound. This is an incredibly misleading opinion.
Not quite nail it.. story of millennials, always using computer substitutes for everything. Get yourself a real amp