I just used this pad in the long wide version, directly on 6 ft of snow. The temperature was 11°F (-11.6°C) and I was toasty warm. I'm very happy with the way it preformed.
I picked up the Long/Wide as well, but it's mid summer. Pairing this with a Thermarest Polar Ranger and I'm stoked to try it out in a few months. Coming from a regular sized insulated Tensor from a few years ago with a 4.5r, and I've never been cold with that either.
Thanks so much. Looking forward to it being available in Australia. There haven’t been many reviews even though it’s been available in the US for a while now, so thanks again. 😊
As an older gentleman I puchased this because I'm a cold sleeper. I have a good sleeping bag but I still get cold when the temps get into the 40's and lower 50's overnight. Curious as to how comfortable this will keep me me without doing calistenics all night, or using hot water bottles. P.S. I don't sleep in the nude LOL
Hi. Could you please tell me what brand is that white tent that you used. Looks so epic. Thank you. Awesome review for the pad also. Have the Thermarest NXT Max and thinkinf to switch to this one in the future. Your review helped me to confirm that is warmer than the Xtherm NXT.
Why do you keep saying the competition isn't even close in regards to warmth to weight ratio? It does less than 10% better in warmth to weight compared to an xtherm, that's better but is not "nothing in the world even comes close"- better. It's not like you haven't been able to go into extreme cold with an light pad before. The xtherms 7.3 r-value is not exactly made for summer trips and it is lighter. You seem to know thermarest exists why ignore their cold weather pad and compare this cold weather pad to their 3-season pad, it's a bit of a pointless comparison? And what's the complaint of it being narrower than something like an exped pad. I hope you realise that both nemo and exped make their pads in a narrow and a wide version which are pretty much exactly the same with, as does all the big sleeping pad manufactures. Why complain it's narrow when there wide pad is available, that has nothing to do with this specific model? It's like being a size medium and buying a jacket in a size small to then complain the jacket is too small. That's not the jackets fault, that's you buying the wrong jacket. This new Nemo pad still sounds like an excellent pad, but comparing a 3-season pad to a winter pad and not seeming to know sleeping pads come in different sizes make you sounds very unknowledgeable.
Warmth to weight in relation to the XTherm: Yes, the XTherm is lighter but not as warm (7.5 @ just under a pound), and that extra warmth can make a huge difference. We've used the XTherm for years, and objectively feel like the EC packs a better punch. The "competition not coming close" comment refers to the XTherm, not the XLite NXT. We do compare it to the XLite, but concerning noise and pack size - not warmth-to-weight. We're super impressed that its pack size is nearly the same as the XLite, while having a much higher R-value. All that to say, the Xtherm and Xlite are both unbelievable pads and we still use them a ton. EC being narrow: You're correct, and we're stoked that the EC is offered in wider versions. That adds weight though, and we wish they had been able to achieve the same weight, with a bit wider width (but we can't complain too much). We just aren't huge fans of the narrow width, but still love how light it is. Personal preference. Exped's narrow width is also still a bit wider than the EC. Hope that clarifies a bit!
@@chriscartermedia It's just weird to not mention what you are actually comparing it to then, but instead mention the less important comparison. And less than 10% just isn't a huge difference, it simply isn't. The nemo does not open a completely new temperature range for ultralight, it just doesn't. Realistically it's probably the difference between being able to go to -35c vs -40c. Sure warmer is better, but it is not a huge leap in difference, both are extreme cold weather pads. 1 r-value to in difference between 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 is a noticeable difference, that makes it so there are days you can go camp and be comfortable where you couldn't before but from 7.5 to 8.5 is not going to make i difference for 99% of possible camping days for your audience.* Yes bigger pads add weight, that is how that works and I guess technically the exped's medium is 1cm wider, but you can't possibly think that is a noticeable difference. The exped has a different baffling system with the raised outer baffle helping to keep you centered on the pad, that is a noticeable difference, but that's a baffle design difference not a size difference. I don't disagree the Nemo looks like a great pad, I would probably buy it over the xtherm today, but how you comparing the nemo to it's competition doesn't make much sense. *All going of the specs of course. The nemo might be better in practice than the xtherm or vice versa the ISO test doesn't account for heat lost to the air, which will be significant at that temperature. We could maybe have the answer to that if some reviewers did that work and figured it out.
@@valdemarjrgensen8128 Right on - sounds like it's boiling down to personal preference and what we consider as "significant". For me, I do notice a .5 in. difference and larger side baffles since I've been sleeping on backpacking pads for so long, but that may be totally insignificant to others... which is awesome. Also, I do think it makes a lot of sense to compare the EC to the XLite, since we are looking at pack size relative to warmth. The EC is much warmer but packs down to just over the size of the XLite, which is super impressive. Sleeping on both the XTherm NXT and the EC in similar conditions, I prefer the EC. Personal opinion though!
Appreciate the feedback, @valdemarjrgensen8128, you make good points. Hopefully our senior editor, @ChrisCarterMedia, was able to provide some satisfactory answers. We're always testing the latest and greatest... as you pointed out there are a number of fantastic products available that help folks get after it.
They really need to use more robust fabrics. Everyone I know who's had a tensor has got pinhole leaks around where the baffles laminate which can't be fixed. There are so many issues with them. Read up some reviews on the forums. Shame, super comfy
Potential downside from multiple reviews is that because the mylar layers are free falling and fall in place by gravity according to the asymmytrical trusses there is risk that the mylar films can stick together eliminating the air gaps. Especially if you use your own breathe to blow up the pad which introduces moisture into the pad causing the mylar to stick together. This feels loke the warmth can be somewhat inconsistent as reported by several users so far. I would be hesitant to use this pad in extreme conditions because of this. I dont want to have to wonder if the mylar is stuck together..... not a sexy answer but i would stick with the tried and true xtherm as the mylar isnt dependent on gravity to create the air gaps...
I know it may seem like a lot of hard work, but I pat down the pad after inflating, plus I use a portable air pump to help keep excess moisture out of the pad.
@bernielamont825 ha. I get it. Seems like a trivial complaint. However, when it's in the single digits and condensation has frozen inside the pad, a pat down won't fix the problem. Your pad is your last resort in extreme temps so I don't want to have to wonder if the invisible part in the pad is working correctly.
I just suck the last bit of air out with my lungs and it fits in my stuff sack just fine. That new Flextail zero is great at sucking all the air out too.
Have you tried the Nemo Tensor? Let us know your thoughts / experiences. In the meantime, we'll keep testing...
I just used this pad in the long wide version, directly on 6 ft of snow. The temperature was 11°F (-11.6°C) and I was toasty warm. I'm very happy with the way it preformed.
Nice! Where were you?
Glad you had a good experience... we're definitely a fans, too.
I picked up the Long/Wide as well, but it's mid summer. Pairing this with a Thermarest Polar Ranger and I'm stoked to try it out in a few months. Coming from a regular sized insulated Tensor from a few years ago with a 4.5r, and I've never been cold with that either.
Thanks so much. Looking forward to it being available in Australia. There haven’t been many reviews even though it’s been available in the US for a while now, so thanks again. 😊
Of course. Hope the review helps with your purchasing decision.
Perhaps we'll update the review once we test in more extreme conditions!
Regarding the width, the pad is available in a 25 inch width as well as the 20 inch version. Of course, this pushes the weight up...
Good note. The extra 5 inches definitely push the weight and pack space up, but who doesn't love a few extra inches of pad?
As an older gentleman I puchased this because I'm a cold sleeper. I have a good sleeping bag but I still get cold when the temps get into the 40's and lower 50's overnight. Curious as to how comfortable this will keep me me without doing calistenics all night, or using hot water bottles. P.S. I don't sleep in the nude LOL
What is your current sleeping pad?
Hi. Could you please tell me what brand is that white tent that you used. Looks so epic. Thank you. Awesome review for the pad also. Have the Thermarest NXT Max and thinkinf to switch to this one in the future. Your review helped me to confirm that is warmer than the Xtherm NXT.
The brand is Hyperlite Mountain Gear. He’s using their Mid 1 tent.
I’ve owned it for about a year and absolutely adore it
Why do you keep saying the competition isn't even close in regards to warmth to weight ratio? It does less than 10% better in warmth to weight compared to an xtherm, that's better but is not "nothing in the world even comes close"- better. It's not like you haven't been able to go into extreme cold with an light pad before. The xtherms 7.3 r-value is not exactly made for summer trips and it is lighter. You seem to know thermarest exists why ignore their cold weather pad and compare this cold weather pad to their 3-season pad, it's a bit of a pointless comparison?
And what's the complaint of it being narrower than something like an exped pad. I hope you realise that both nemo and exped make their pads in a narrow and a wide version which are pretty much exactly the same with, as does all the big sleeping pad manufactures. Why complain it's narrow when there wide pad is available, that has nothing to do with this specific model? It's like being a size medium and buying a jacket in a size small to then complain the jacket is too small. That's not the jackets fault, that's you buying the wrong jacket.
This new Nemo pad still sounds like an excellent pad, but comparing a 3-season pad to a winter pad and not seeming to know sleeping pads come in different sizes make you sounds very unknowledgeable.
Warmth to weight in relation to the XTherm: Yes, the XTherm is lighter but not as warm (7.5 @ just under a pound), and that extra warmth can make a huge difference. We've used the XTherm for years, and objectively feel like the EC packs a better punch. The "competition not coming close" comment refers to the XTherm, not the XLite NXT. We do compare it to the XLite, but concerning noise and pack size - not warmth-to-weight. We're super impressed that its pack size is nearly the same as the XLite, while having a much higher R-value. All that to say, the Xtherm and Xlite are both unbelievable pads and we still use them a ton.
EC being narrow: You're correct, and we're stoked that the EC is offered in wider versions. That adds weight though, and we wish they had been able to achieve the same weight, with a bit wider width (but we can't complain too much). We just aren't huge fans of the narrow width, but still love how light it is. Personal preference. Exped's narrow width is also still a bit wider than the EC.
Hope that clarifies a bit!
@@chriscartermedia It's just weird to not mention what you are actually comparing it to then, but instead mention the less important comparison. And less than 10% just isn't a huge difference, it simply isn't. The nemo does not open a completely new temperature range for ultralight, it just doesn't. Realistically it's probably the difference between being able to go to -35c vs -40c. Sure warmer is better, but it is not a huge leap in difference, both are extreme cold weather pads. 1 r-value to in difference between 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 is a noticeable difference, that makes it so there are days you can go camp and be comfortable where you couldn't before but from 7.5 to 8.5 is not going to make i difference for 99% of possible camping days for your audience.*
Yes bigger pads add weight, that is how that works and I guess technically the exped's medium is 1cm wider, but you can't possibly think that is a noticeable difference. The exped has a different baffling system with the raised outer baffle helping to keep you centered on the pad, that is a noticeable difference, but that's a baffle design difference not a size difference.
I don't disagree the Nemo looks like a great pad, I would probably buy it over the xtherm today, but how you comparing the nemo to it's competition doesn't make much sense.
*All going of the specs of course. The nemo might be better in practice than the xtherm or vice versa the ISO test doesn't account for heat lost to the air, which will be significant at that temperature. We could maybe have the answer to that if some reviewers did that work and figured it out.
@@valdemarjrgensen8128 Right on - sounds like it's boiling down to personal preference and what we consider as "significant". For me, I do notice a .5 in. difference and larger side baffles since I've been sleeping on backpacking pads for so long, but that may be totally insignificant to others... which is awesome.
Also, I do think it makes a lot of sense to compare the EC to the XLite, since we are looking at pack size relative to warmth. The EC is much warmer but packs down to just over the size of the XLite, which is super impressive.
Sleeping on both the XTherm NXT and the EC in similar conditions, I prefer the EC. Personal opinion though!
Appreciate the feedback, @valdemarjrgensen8128, you make good points.
Hopefully our senior editor, @ChrisCarterMedia, was able to provide some satisfactory answers. We're always testing the latest and greatest... as you pointed out there are a number of fantastic products available that help folks get after it.
As much as I'd like to try it, the thermarest for sure works down to -20F. Put that money towards a new tent or summer bag..
They really need to use more robust fabrics. Everyone I know who's had a tensor has got pinhole leaks around where the baffles laminate which can't be fixed. There are so many issues with them. Read up some reviews on the forums. Shame, super comfy
Potential downside from multiple reviews is that because the mylar layers are free falling and fall in place by gravity according to the asymmytrical trusses there is risk that the mylar films can stick together eliminating the air gaps. Especially if you use your own breathe to blow up the pad which introduces moisture into the pad causing the mylar to stick together. This feels loke the warmth can be somewhat inconsistent as reported by several users so far. I would be hesitant to use this pad in extreme conditions because of this. I dont want to have to wonder if the mylar is stuck together..... not a sexy answer but i would stick with the tried and true xtherm as the mylar isnt dependent on gravity to create the air gaps...
I know it may seem like a lot of hard work, but I pat down the pad after inflating, plus I use a portable air pump to help keep excess moisture out of the pad.
@bernielamont825 ha. I get it. Seems like a trivial complaint. However, when it's in the single digits and condensation has frozen inside the pad, a pat down won't fix the problem. Your pad is your last resort in extreme temps so I don't want to have to wonder if the invisible part in the pad is working correctly.
I just suck the last bit of air out with my lungs and it fits in my stuff sack just fine. That new Flextail zero is great at sucking all the air out too.
Is this a joke they do a 25 inch one and you not even tested it for what it’s meant for cold snow
It was tested in the snow.
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