I bought the Zero pump when it was still on its kidstarter campaign - it was $36 for the pump and a battery, so I considered that a deal. So far I haven't had any issues, though I've not used another pump to compare it to. But I suppose if it breaks or I need a second pump, I'll look into the tiny pump instead, unless something better comes along. I did like the concept of the zero pump - It's lighter (not as much of a concern) and more compact (a plus) than the tiny pump, and I like that the battery is removable and replaceable. I have a problem with gear that comes with built-in batteries because the battery typically goes before the rest of the components, requiring a whole new item when I could just replace the battery. That and I possibly have to carry a battery charger with me instead of a spare battery on longer trips.
I’ve been saying this since the zero pump came out. The lantern feature is awesome. I used to strap my headlamp to a water bottle as a lantern and carried a pump sack. Now for an extra ounce….i have an electric pump and a camp lantern. No brainer.
i think the idea with the 1.2 oz is that their flashlight thats very similar to the aurora that uses the same battery, so if you use their flashlight, the battery wouldnt be extra. i like the smaller size of the zero since i dont use the lamp on the x
Hmm hadn't heard that arguement. Still a bit of a stretch IMO to be printing 1.2 in giant print on the pump. And yeah if you don't need a lantern and don't mind the extra expense, then why not. But that's kinda my point. Its a higher end luxury item, not the be all end all of "GOAT" of pumps.
@@DadCamps I could swear I read when they were launching that the pitch was if you get the zero light, you just use that battery in the pump and if you use the flextail pad you don’t need the adapter. Any pump is definitely a luxury that I wouldn’t have sprung for in my younger days. But now that I’m in my 40s, I spring for lighter stuff so I can bring some luxury. It’s nice to kick back in my chair while the pad inflates without me. But I’d agree it’s not the GOAT.
Not planning on swapping my Tinypump X for a Zero any time soon - or ever. For some of the reasons you give; it's a lantern and at a push a powerbank. Oh, I also don't really like removable batteries (especially as they're not a common size here). I mentioned these reasons to Flextail when they announced the Zero, so we'll see what they come up with in future. The only downside was that none of the included adaptors fitted my BA air pad. But I have a 3D printer, and it only took a couple of attempts to get it right.
100% agree! Tiny pump X for the win. I have tried many others and this is still the champ. There are higher kpa pumps but they are heavier and I just add an extra breath or 2 into the intake of the tiny pump X while running to top off anything if needed. Great video and comparison!
I had no idea this even was a thing. To me, the options were always use your mouth, bring a hand/foot operated pump, or bring a "real" inflator like a power tool brand one. When I think of it I might have seen some of these tiny ones before but ignored them because they seem like a cheap gimmick and physics say that moving air like that is a suprisingly energy intensive task. Now im kinda curious though, I absolutely do not need one of these but im kinda tempted to pick one up to play around with and see how useful they really are
I mean its probably just a thing b/c people will spend money on it! Haha. Honestly you're probably fine sticking with using your breath unless you're doing this for weeks on end.
I just have not been able to want to bring another piece of electronics into the backcountry. I like the inflation sacks that come with most of the pads now(Big Agnes is the exception) so using my own lung power isn't that big of a deal to me.
TINY PUMP 2X all the way. I got mine because I want dual purpose of having the light as well. To make it better I got a custom 3d pinted value (big agness size) off etsy which is tiny, light and fits like a glove so you can walk away while it inflates
Not much choices if you like to have small, light and battery what is easy to change. I get zero fast when it turned up in my view. Everything what I get I look that it will last long long time. Build in batterys suck after 2-3 years normally if you use much.. Solid state batterys will fix that but still little more time that they go main stream more.
Couldn’t disagree more. The Zero Pump is a major upgrade to any of the other pumps Flextail sells. For one, it’s a better quality piece. It’s made meticulously from aluminum. The detail is impressive. It is lighter and more compact. I don’t need the lantern. And $50 is very reasonable. And finally I’ve carried the Zero pump on countless trips in my pack, my pocket, and various other places with no issues of it coming on. Totally bogus claim. Conjecture based on opinion is unfair and misleading. I’m a huge fan of the Zero having used it extensively the past year. One of my favorite accessories. It’s quality and I love owning it. It feels solid and isn’t a big chunk of plastic. I turn it on and it comes to life. It does what it’s intended to do, fill up my mattress quickly and efficiently. All my fellow backpackers are jealous when I use it. I’ve also used it with my Vargo Ti Grill set up and it works amazing to keep the flames hot. There is no question it’s the best mattress pump out there.
Fair enough and to each his own! That's part of what's so great about backpacking is finding what works for you. I like the idea of using these pumps in tandem with a firebox grill.
I bought the Zero pump when it was still on its kidstarter campaign - it was $36 for the pump and a battery, so I considered that a deal. So far I haven't had any issues, though I've not used another pump to compare it to. But I suppose if it breaks or I need a second pump, I'll look into the tiny pump instead, unless something better comes along.
I did like the concept of the zero pump - It's lighter (not as much of a concern) and more compact (a plus) than the tiny pump, and I like that the battery is removable and replaceable. I have a problem with gear that comes with built-in batteries because the battery typically goes before the rest of the components, requiring a whole new item when I could just replace the battery. That and I possibly have to carry a battery charger with me instead of a spare battery on longer trips.
Fair point about the longevity!
After many videos about this type of pumps, this is the better so far, so much valuable information. Bests regards from a Venezuelan viewer in Panama!
Thank you very much! Appreciate that!
I’ve been saying this since the zero pump came out. The lantern feature is awesome. I used to strap my headlamp to a water bottle as a lantern and carried a pump sack. Now for an extra ounce….i have an electric pump and a camp lantern. No brainer.
Glad you agree!
what valve size is the matress that you used in the test? is that a N1? Thanks.
I'm not actually sure how to tell that. How do you find out the valve size? I don't see the specs listed on their site...
i think the idea with the 1.2 oz is that their flashlight thats very similar to the aurora that uses the same battery, so if you use their flashlight, the battery wouldnt be extra.
i like the smaller size of the zero since i dont use the lamp on the x
Hmm hadn't heard that arguement. Still a bit of a stretch IMO to be printing 1.2 in giant print on the pump. And yeah if you don't need a lantern and don't mind the extra expense, then why not. But that's kinda my point. Its a higher end luxury item, not the be all end all of "GOAT" of pumps.
@@DadCamps I could swear I read when they were launching that the pitch was if you get the zero light, you just use that battery in the pump and if you use the flextail pad you don’t need the adapter.
Any pump is definitely a luxury that I wouldn’t have sprung for in my younger days. But now that I’m in my 40s, I spring for lighter stuff so I can bring some luxury. It’s nice to kick back in my chair while the pad inflates without me. But I’d agree it’s not the GOAT.
Not planning on swapping my Tinypump X for a Zero any time soon - or ever. For some of the reasons you give; it's a lantern and at a push a powerbank. Oh, I also don't really like removable batteries (especially as they're not a common size here). I mentioned these reasons to Flextail when they announced the Zero, so we'll see what they come up with in future.
The only downside was that none of the included adaptors fitted my BA air pad. But I have a 3D printer, and it only took a couple of attempts to get it right.
Oooh cool use of the 3D printer!
100% agree! Tiny pump X for the win. I have tried many others and this is still the champ. There are higher kpa pumps but they are heavier and I just add an extra breath or 2 into the intake of the tiny pump X while running to top off anything if needed. Great video and comparison!
Thank you!
I had no idea this even was a thing. To me, the options were always use your mouth, bring a hand/foot operated pump, or bring a "real" inflator like a power tool brand one. When I think of it I might have seen some of these tiny ones before but ignored them because they seem like a cheap gimmick and physics say that moving air like that is a suprisingly energy intensive task. Now im kinda curious though, I absolutely do not need one of these but im kinda tempted to pick one up to play around with and see how useful they really are
I mean its probably just a thing b/c people will spend money on it! Haha. Honestly you're probably fine sticking with using your breath unless you're doing this for weeks on end.
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I just have not been able to want to bring another piece of electronics into the backcountry. I like the inflation sacks that come with most of the pads now(Big Agnes is the exception) so using my own lung power isn't that big of a deal to me.
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Fair enough
TINY PUMP 2X all the way. I got mine because I want dual purpose of having the light as well. To make it better I got a custom 3d pinted value (big agness size) off etsy which is tiny, light and fits like a glove so you can walk away while it inflates
Love that idea!
Bonjour zéro pump is it a good item ?
Bonjour! Nothing wrong with it per se, but in the video I make the case for why you should get a different version instead.
Ok merci 👍
Not much choices if you like to have small, light and battery what is easy to change. I get zero fast when it turned up in my view. Everything what I get I look that it will last long long time. Build in batterys suck after 2-3 years normally if you use much.. Solid state batterys will fix that but still little more time that they go main stream more.
I have a pad pal, it weighs nine grams... not joking.
Seen those! Does it work for you? You like it?
Couldn’t disagree more. The Zero Pump is a major upgrade to any of the other pumps Flextail sells. For one, it’s a better quality piece. It’s made meticulously from aluminum. The detail is impressive. It is lighter and more compact. I don’t need the lantern. And $50 is very reasonable. And finally I’ve carried the Zero pump on countless trips in my pack, my pocket, and various other places with no issues of it coming on. Totally bogus claim. Conjecture based on opinion is unfair and misleading.
I’m a huge fan of the Zero having used it extensively the past year. One of my favorite accessories. It’s quality and I love owning it. It feels solid and isn’t a big chunk of plastic. I turn it on and it comes to life. It does what it’s intended to do, fill up my mattress quickly and efficiently. All my fellow backpackers are jealous when I use it. I’ve also used it with my Vargo Ti Grill set up and it works amazing to keep the flames hot. There is no question it’s the best mattress pump out there.
Fair enough and to each his own! That's part of what's so great about backpacking is finding what works for you. I like the idea of using these pumps in tandem with a firebox grill.