Outstanding. I was just looking on the Lightning Rods page, and was thinking about finally doing a build with one of his great motors. Thanks for sharing these stats and specs.
Thanks for posting and sharing with us, you have my dreams bike, enjoy it, wow, I will never have the skills to build either and reliable like you, congrats, hat down
@@nielsbaardseth Thanks for the reply, you're right, with kind peoples like you who help and provide informations and forums maybe I'll succeed for this project with the help of you all : ) A rapid question, without the battery and without the price of the stock bike what do you think it have costed you ? If you don't want to discuss about price it's totally fine tho I understand, Cheers
@@pliopov The bike is pretty stock and I bought it for 1500 eur. The main custom part is the rear hub. It is a single speed hub, a very strong one way and steel 104 chain rings. Motor is bolt on with single speed chain.
Hey Niels. Thinking about getting the same kit, but small block. How does it compare to the cyc pro gen 2 in terms of sound? This video makes it sound a lot less shrill. Anyways. Absolutely love what you’ve built and keep ‘‘em coming!!
Hi Will. The BB and SB have no gears so there is no motor sound. It is only the 219 chain that makes noice. I think the SB is a very good alternative to the X1 Pro. You know the SB and BB have the same diameter?
Any chance you have some close up photos of the parts you can share? I would love to see how the battery was strapped on the frame, motor shots, etc. 👍👍
Would you recommend doing a build like this with an Eleek Lite frame? I’m trying to see what would be a more robust option for both commute and off-road/jumping. A strong mountain bike or the Eleek which is made of steel. Your bike looks AMAZING! I wish I could just buy it from you😂❤ looks like the perfect balance between power and light weight! 👌 👌
I am litterally the king of Eleek Lite. 😎 m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid029rPnc4ePxxkqtm3wEUD3cKrH1WXEjxpH5nj6bLdk3PBENHVHWUKgDTvxD2v23QCLl&id=613804531978401 But if you want to ride real off road the Lite is not your frame. The swingarm pivot is thin plates. I love the look of the Lite, but it is a SUV not a mx.
Is it possible to do a build exactly like this, but throw on 21” wheels for more hybrid commute/off road and city use? I would also use smaller cranks to be safe if so. Thank you. Awesome video! Ps. Just curious, what would be your range per charge if you averaged 48kph with this set up? Sounds so smooth!
@@nielsbaardseth do you know what your average range per charge would be if you kept it at 48kph? And thank you, that’s Interesting! I only ask because I know SurRon runs 19” stock and still seems to have a decent clearance, however it was built around that idea and I imagine this bike frame’s geometry is designed around taller wheels/tires. I know Shinko 241 and 244 tires have a higher inner wall though which would add to the overall circumference, but I guess I should ask around a bit more 😅 thank you for the reply!
@@dexgray4581 I see, you mean 21" mc wheels. 🤔 Should not be a problem. 20" bicycle wheels are a bit different. 🤣 I only use the bike off road riding as hard as I dare. Average wh is 40 a km. But cruising at 50kph would not use much wh. It is only 50% of a SR in weight.
@@nielsbaardseth love this! Thank you so much! Yes, I apologize… I should have clarified that I meant MC 21” and not just regular bicycle wheels at a similar height😅😅. The range and power seem amazing! And the NUC12f always looks so good! I really want to do a similar build with a strong off road frame like yours 👌 Thanks again, Niels! 🙏
Hey man, this looks insane. I am doing a similar thing even if a less powerful with acyc x1 pro gen 3 that i am going to run @5-6kw- is the dual speed derailleur setup good for offroad use ? I am pretty sure my stock drivetrain will last maybe 5min with my torque output so i prolly will have to replace it
Hi, thanks! I am VERY familliar with the X1. Probably world champ. 🤔😉 See my other 7kw vid and join the cyc owners group. I will show you what will hold up.
Hey how is your Saracen holding up to power of the big block? A few of us over at Discord High Voltage are trying to sort out the good from the bad in terms of downhill and long travel bikes when it comes to adding more power. Particularly in regards to the swing arm coping. It seems we come to some kind on initial consensus of the suitability of a bike then someone pops in and tells us they know someone who busted the swing arm on "that" model with a BBSHD. etc and we are back to the drawing board. . What I like about your bike is firstly the look, the suspension, the battery placement, err actually just about everything. Keenly await your response thanks 👍
Hi, that bike has been awsome. I have had a 7kw cyc on it since 2021 and the BB for about a year now. Changed bearings 1 time. And I must say, the front one way on the BB is hugging HARD. I had same on the Cyc gen 1. Very very impressed with the Saracen. It us a 2015 mark2. The first had soft swingarm, mine is very different.
Can I use Lightning Rods Big Block Single stage with BAC2000 and 72V 21Ah Triangle battery with 100 Amps BMS continual to access the same speed as you did? Thank you for your detailed technical reply.👍👍👍🙏
Hi, the BB works well with Asi 2000. In the video I pull 190Amps when the field weakening kicks in. Usually a bms can peak 2x cont power. So it is a big chance it will be ok if the cells can deliver that much.
You are right. It is a Paul Comp single speed hub with White Industries Ultra HD one-way. 2x steel n/w chain rings and 510 chain. A friction shifter and a Zee derailleur. It can take anything, almost like a mx drivetrain.
Thanks mate, I also have a 2020 Myst X. Here is the link. US $10.06 48%OFF | VXM 3D Mountain Bike Scratch-Resistant Protect Frame Protector a.aliexpress.com/_mqRbI5C
I allready had the cogs and adjusted the front sproket. The rear hub is a single speed hub with a White Industries freewheel. It has an adaptor for 104 sprokets. Custom made. Litterally bullettproof.
after 10 minutes battery 0%, bigger battery less voltage drop, looks like the voltage drops very far 67v, make the battery pack bigger, u will have a lot more speed
No need, extreme torque and 80kph with 1 gear. Covers all types of off road riding . And most important, none of them would last that kind of power. Trust me, this set up is the only type that can be called bulletproof. My chain lasts 500km.
@@tysonscott862 It is holding up fine. I have abused it for years now. First on the CYC build. Talk to LR about the parts. I also know LR have a 219 tensioner, but it might be too small depending on your gearing. I use a 510 bmx chain, it is cheap and last a long time. I widend the Zee derallieur to make it fit. Been great so far.
@@nielsbaardseth Hey Niels, got mine up an running but was having a hard time getting a reliable drivetrain. For the gears you have on the rear is that just the upper part of a cassette or were you able to find cogs? What speed cassette was it to fit the single speed chain?
@@tysonscott862 The rear sprockets are 104 steel rings. Mounted.on a single speed hub with a White Industries one way. Normal front rings. I have 36 and 32 in the rear. Would prefere 38 as 36 gives 80kph with the smalles front LigthingRods have to offer.
It is a Paul Comp single speed hub with a White Industries One way. A 5mm thick steel adaptor from the One way to a 32t and a 36t steel 104 chain ring. The Zee derailleur is widend to fit single speed chain. And I use a friction shifter on the handlebar to adjust. I can not shift while riding. I had this setup for 4 years now. It can really take anything.
Thanks for the fast reply. That is an interesting solution. I know the pain of trying to find robust and reliable drivetrain solutions for hi power eMTB applications. It is very niche area. There are alot of hi power e bikes getting around now. But in the eMTB specific trail/enduro space it's difficult. I went through a number of unreliable drivetrain configs. And that's with about 15% power of what your bike has. I eventually landed on a kindernay vii IGH. Which has had alot of minor problems, but has remained overall reliable so far. Im now looking to go 72v CYC on an upcoming build. I did just purchase one of the last remaining kindernay vii from the post bankruptcy inventory. But that was more so I can keep the current bafang ultra / e22 combo alive incase of parts failures. I dont need 7 gears. I really only need 3 gears, with wide ratio pacing. A climb gear. An acceleration gear. And a top speed gear. And that pretty much covers all the trail/enduro terrain i ride.
@@BramBiesiekierski No, I have to stop and move the chain by hand/fot. Not while rolling. It works like 2 single speed, not 2 speed. But 80kph as low is ok for most.riding.
Ok, i understand. How do you find not having changeable gearing specifc while doing eMTB trail riding use? I can imagine the motor has no major issues pulling all the way. But human legs don't have that same wide operating range. I know I hate the feeling of my bike travelling faster than I can pedal (eg stuck in too low gear) and equally climbing can be hard when not matched to the pedalling speed (even if the motor has no problem pulling) I came here after watching your recent CYC at Malaga video. So this Q is more relevant to that setup.
Hi, it is 2x in practical power. But bigger. Here in Spain the BB is best because of big open spaces. Back home in Oslo I rode techy single track. The cyc was better there because of size and enough power.
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Outstanding. I was just looking on the Lightning Rods page, and was thinking about finally doing a build with one of his great motors. Thanks for sharing these stats and specs.
Thanks for posting and sharing with us, you have my dreams bike, enjoy it, wow, I will never have the skills to build either and reliable like you, congrats, hat down
Thanks mate! Never is a very long time, no worries You got this! 🙏
@@nielsbaardseth Thanks for the reply, you're right, with kind peoples like you who help and provide informations and forums maybe I'll succeed for this project with the help of you all : ) A rapid question, without the battery and without the price of the stock bike what do you think it have costed you ? If you don't want to discuss about price it's totally fine tho I understand, Cheers
@@pliopov The bike is pretty stock and I bought it for 1500 eur. The main custom part is the rear hub. It is a single speed hub, a very strong one way and steel 104 chain rings. Motor is bolt on with single speed chain.
Subscribing now , wanna see more of this . A chill ride going 70-100 If comfortable or even 40 km/h it's a cool video riding . Or what you love man
That bike has some pep!😧....
Hey Niels. Thinking about getting the same kit, but small block. How does it compare to the cyc pro gen 2 in terms of sound? This video makes it sound a lot less shrill. Anyways. Absolutely love what you’ve built and keep ‘‘em coming!!
Hi Will. The BB and SB have no gears so there is no motor sound. It is only the 219 chain that makes noice. I think the SB is a very good alternative to the X1 Pro. You know the SB and BB have the same diameter?
Any chance you have some close up photos of the parts you can share? I would love to see how the battery was strapped on the frame, motor shots, etc. 👍👍
If you live close by you can have a look. 😁If not pm me on Facebook and I can send you some.
Would you recommend doing a build like this with an Eleek Lite frame? I’m trying to see what would be a more robust option for both commute and off-road/jumping. A strong mountain bike or the Eleek which is made of steel.
Your bike looks AMAZING! I wish I could just buy it from you😂❤ looks like the perfect balance between power and light weight! 👌 👌
I am litterally the king of Eleek Lite. 😎 m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid029rPnc4ePxxkqtm3wEUD3cKrH1WXEjxpH5nj6bLdk3PBENHVHWUKgDTvxD2v23QCLl&id=613804531978401
But if you want to ride real off road the Lite is not your frame. The swingarm pivot is thin plates. I love the look of the Lite, but it is a SUV not a mx.
I would get a Mondraker Summum, it is perfect for both high motor mounting and battery inside the frame.
And BTW fb.watch/iVIKJ4CpUX/
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Wery impressive Niels 🤩
Is it possible to do a build exactly like this, but throw on 21” wheels for more hybrid commute/off road and city use? I would also use smaller cranks to be safe if so. Thank you. Awesome video!
Ps. Just curious, what would be your range per charge if you averaged 48kph with this set up? Sounds so smooth!
I honestly don't know. It will be very low, maybe too low for anything else than road use.
@@nielsbaardseth do you know what your average range per charge would be if you kept it at 48kph?
And thank you, that’s Interesting! I only ask because I know SurRon runs 19” stock and still seems to have a decent clearance, however it was built around that idea and I imagine this bike frame’s geometry is designed around taller wheels/tires.
I know Shinko 241 and 244 tires have a higher inner wall though which would add to the overall circumference, but I guess I should ask around a bit more 😅 thank you for the reply!
@@dexgray4581 I see, you mean 21" mc wheels. 🤔 Should not be a problem. 20" bicycle wheels are a bit different. 🤣
I only use the bike off road riding as hard as I dare. Average wh is 40 a km. But cruising at 50kph would not use much wh. It is only 50% of a SR in weight.
@@nielsbaardseth love this! Thank you so much! Yes, I apologize… I should have clarified that I meant MC 21” and not just regular bicycle wheels at a similar height😅😅. The range and power seem amazing! And the NUC12f always looks so good! I really want to do a similar build with a strong off road frame like yours 👌 Thanks again, Niels! 🙏
Hey man, this looks insane. I am doing a similar thing even if a less powerful with acyc x1 pro gen 3 that i am going to run @5-6kw- is the dual speed derailleur setup good for offroad use ? I am pretty sure my stock drivetrain will last maybe 5min with my torque output so i prolly will have to replace it
Hi, thanks! I am VERY familliar with the X1. Probably world champ. 🤔😉
See my other 7kw vid and join the cyc owners group. I will show you what will hold up.
Hey how is your Saracen holding up to power of the big block? A few of us over at Discord High Voltage are trying to sort out the good from the bad in terms of downhill and long travel bikes when it comes to adding more power. Particularly in regards to the swing arm coping. It seems we come to some kind on initial consensus of the suitability of a bike then someone pops in and tells us they know someone who busted the swing arm on "that" model with a BBSHD. etc and we are back to the drawing board. . What I like about your bike is firstly the look, the suspension, the battery placement, err actually just about everything.
Keenly await your response thanks
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Hi, that bike has been awsome. I have had a 7kw cyc on it since 2021 and the BB for about a year now. Changed bearings 1 time. And I must say, the front one way on the BB is hugging HARD. I had same on the Cyc gen 1. Very very impressed with the Saracen. It us a 2015 mark2. The first had soft swingarm, mine is very different.
@@nielsbaardseth Thanks allot. Much appreciated.
Nice
Wow, man.
Can I use Lightning Rods Big Block Single stage with BAC2000 and 72V 21Ah Triangle battery with 100 Amps BMS continual to access the same speed as you did? Thank you for your detailed technical reply.👍👍👍🙏
Hi, the BB works well with Asi 2000. In the video I pull 190Amps when the field weakening kicks in. Usually a bms can peak 2x cont power. So it is a big chance it will be ok if the cells can deliver that much.
Can you please make a video about the bike's drive train ? Because normal bike chain won't last long.
You are right. It is a Paul Comp single speed hub with White Industries Ultra HD one-way. 2x steel n/w chain rings and 510 chain. A friction shifter and a Zee derailleur. It can take anything, almost like a mx drivetrain.
@@nielsbaardseth where to buy the HD chain hook up and rear cassette
GREAT SARACEN MYST ..... do you have the link for the viking sticker ? Greetings from Italy 😊
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How did you get the correct cogs on the rear wheel hub? Did you use special freewheel adapter or something similar?
I allready had the cogs and adjusted the front sproket. The rear hub is a single speed hub with a White Industries freewheel. It has an adaptor for 104 sprokets. Custom made. Litterally bullettproof.
@@nielsbaardseth that's so cool!
Impressive
Nice..
You actually use it for downhill trails!!?
Yes, it gets it. 🤙🤙
@@nielsbaardseth sweet..🤘🤘
Where can I buy
whats your range with that 15ah battery?
Are RHD im specing up doing LHD already have Nucular with Mxus 3k im on similar speeds but hub always worried id break it. Mid drive less stress
Hubs can be super fun but not so much off road. Heavy on the rear section. Watch the uphill vid to really see what a mid can do.
@@nielsbaardseth Yes totally agree i dont have enough Amp like your pack its only 20S7P 105Amp continious.
How did you configure your derailleur to shift with only 2 speeds?
Old school friction shifter.
after 10 minutes battery 0%, bigger battery less voltage drop, looks like the voltage drops very far 67v, make the battery pack bigger, u will have a lot more speed
Btw why doesnt the rear hub have like a multi speed cassette?
No need, extreme torque and 80kph with 1 gear. Covers all types of off road riding . And most important, none of them would last that kind of power. Trust me, this set up is the only type that can be called bulletproof. My chain lasts 500km.
how is the drive train holding? im doing a BB build aswell and am not sure if i should do a gokart 219 chain or a normal bicycle single speed chain.
also what kind of range do you get?
@@tysonscott862 It is holding up fine. I have abused it for years now. First on the CYC build. Talk to LR about the parts.
I also know LR have a 219 tensioner, but it might be too small depending on your gearing. I use a 510 bmx chain, it is cheap and last a long time. I widend the Zee derallieur to make it fit. Been great so far.
It consumes about 40wh a km when having real fun. My 15ah is a bit small, but can atleast deliver enough amps and fit on the bike.
@@nielsbaardseth Hey Niels, got mine up an running but was having a hard time getting a reliable drivetrain. For the gears you have on the rear is that just the upper part of a cassette or were you able to find cogs? What speed cassette was it to fit the single speed chain?
@@tysonscott862 The rear sprockets are 104 steel rings. Mounted.on a single speed hub with a White Industries one way. Normal front rings. I have 36 and 32 in the rear. Would prefere 38 as 36 gives 80kph with the smalles front LigthingRods have to offer.
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Can you give more details on the 2 speed rear setup?
It is a Paul Comp single speed hub with a White Industries One way. A 5mm thick steel adaptor from the One way to a 32t and a 36t steel 104 chain ring. The Zee derailleur is widend to fit single speed chain. And I use a friction shifter on the handlebar to adjust. I can not shift while riding. I had this setup for 4 years now. It can really take anything.
Thanks for the fast reply. That is an interesting solution.
I know the pain of trying to find robust and reliable drivetrain solutions for hi power eMTB applications. It is very niche area. There are alot of hi power e bikes getting around now. But in the eMTB specific trail/enduro space it's difficult.
I went through a number of unreliable drivetrain configs. And that's with about 15% power of what your bike has. I eventually landed on a kindernay vii IGH. Which has had alot of minor problems, but has remained overall reliable so far.
Im now looking to go 72v CYC on an upcoming build. I did just purchase one of the last remaining kindernay vii from the post bankruptcy inventory. But that was more so I can keep the current bafang ultra / e22 combo alive incase of parts failures.
I dont need 7 gears. I really only need 3 gears, with wide ratio pacing. A climb gear. An acceleration gear. And a top speed gear. And that pretty much covers all the trail/enduro terrain i ride.
When you say you can't shift while riding? Do you mean powered?
@@BramBiesiekierski No, I have to stop and move the chain by hand/fot. Not while rolling. It works like 2 single speed, not 2 speed. But 80kph as low is ok for most.riding.
Ok, i understand.
How do you find not having changeable gearing specifc while doing eMTB trail riding use? I can imagine the motor has no major issues pulling all the way. But human legs don't have that same wide operating range. I know I hate the feeling of my bike travelling faster than I can pedal (eg stuck in too low gear) and equally climbing can be hard when not matched to the pedalling speed (even if the motor has no problem pulling)
I came here after watching your recent CYC at Malaga video. So this Q is more relevant to that setup.
How much does it wiegh?
About 31kg. Was 29 with cyc.
God damn I need one got a. Link?
Thanks! Link in the description.
How does this motor compare to cyc x1 ?
What do you prefer?
Hi, it is 2x in practical power. But bigger. Here in Spain the BB is best because of big open spaces. Back home in Oslo I rode techy single track. The cyc was better there because of size and enough power.
Is it legal in Europe?
Not at all.