14:00 in Jim asks "Anyone Bored Yet?"... Not me, really enjoyed that Jim. You are clearly a well researched Railway Enthusiast . Considering you're north American, impressed with your handling and presentation of UK Locomotive design. Keep up the good work.
The Southern Pacific GS-8’s were Cotton Belt L-1 class 4-8-4’s that were leased by the SP at the end of steam on the SP just renumbered and reclassified to match the SP numbering and classification system. And one does still exist in the form of Cotton Belt L-1 #819 in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
(27-Nov-19) *23:07* "Thane of Phayaa" That was flawless, given that it was a thane. I was laughing so much. Edit: *39:28* Did anyone here notice the road number on the Big Boy?!
I would like to mention the Southern Railroad's Ms-4 class 2-8-2s. As copies of the USRA heavy 2-8-2s, they were built by ALCo and Baldwin from 1923 - 1928. They were the Southern's standard freight locomotives and were used on heavy freight trains and also used on passenger runs. In 1952, the first of the Ms-4s started to fall from the Southern's active roster and by June 1953, only the Ms-4s on the Southern's Alabama Great Southern Subsidiary were left. Sadly these would also retire in 1954. Sadly none of them, not even all of the original and copy USRA heavy 2-8-2s were spared from the scrappers torch.
Just to acquaint you folks with our geography, not to correct you understand but hopefully to interest you. Birmingham is England’s 2nd. largest city in the centre of the country and was for centuries in the County of Warwickshire. In 1974, it became absorbed into the West Midlands Metropolitan Authority. The Lickey Incline is between Bromsgrove and Blackwell to the south-west of Birmingham and in the County of Worcester (pronounced Wooster) or Worcestershire (Wooster-sheer). It remains in that county beyond that area which was taken over by the West Midlands Metropolitan Authority. Bear in mind, our counties are impossibly small compared to yours. If you started driving in any direction from anywhere here you would cross the county line within 50 miles and reach the sea within half a dozen counties!
One valve gear that interests me is always been Walscharts.. But baker and Stephenson are interesting. The most iconic I know is the B2 Rotary valve gear used on the later Penn Railroad T1’s that helped against Slip
Im watching this in 2020 and i must say i enjoyed part 1 and part 2 very educational (: i love trains but big boy and challenger will always be my #1 favorite steamers !! :D
I would have said the Virginians AE class 2-10-10-2s. They were an experimental locomotive design that worked well on the gently curving tracks of the Virginian railroad system. These locomotives were very rare and only lasted a short time before they were all cut up and turned into 2-10-2s. They did give me an idea to build a mallet Garrett with a 2-10-10-2+2-10-10-2 wheel arrangement. It would use the same method Mallet used as it would have a compounding system and the second and third sets of drivers would have steam linkages to the first and fourth sets to drive all four sets. It would weigh in at an estimated 810 or more tonnes and would have 60 inch drivers. Me and the rest of the NT crew have estimated it to be able to pull about 40-60000 tonnes but only at 2-6 mph. I still think that I will make it if I ever get enough money and some help. It would take around 25-30 YEARS to build though so even if I did get enough money for it then I would still age before I get to use it. In the meantime though I am currently building a model replica of this very locomotive and I will make a video on it when it is done.
Jim van der Kolk I know it's quite a crazy idea but I may do it just for the hell of it. I mean SAR (South African Railways) actually thought about making a super Garrett with a 2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2 wheel arrangement.
My home town has an L&N depot. It has 2 tracks, a siding for tank cars, and an old coal tipple. We only have freight trains to go through now. Never seen a passenger train run through in my life.
On the Southern K class (number 4), after the derailment, the Southern asked Sir Nigel Gresley to give them a look over and one example ran on LNER tracks where it failed to show any instability until it reached very high speed (70 or 80 mph if I remember correctly) and started to roll though not alarmingly. Gresley handed the locomotive back to the Southern and suggested poor track was to blame for the K's rolling ride not the locomotives themselves. This obviously didn't go down well with the Southern's chief civil engineer who was responsible for the permanent way (the tracks) who flatly banned them from running and forcing the rebuild into the U class tender engines.
Not immature @@sockshandle but certainly touchy especially as it was his professional integrity that was being called into question and by a CME from a different Railway company (though Gresley was probably a lot more diplomatic about it than I've written here).
Another good video, thanks for producing it... One point though, Birmingham (the real one in the UK) is in Warwickshire, not Worcestershire... People have been killed for less in the UK! Also, why wasn't the UP's successful Bullmoose 2-8-8-0 on your list? I'm surprised that it didn't even get an 'honourable mention'. UK loco's that should have been preserved, but weren't include pretty much everything from the LNWR, which at one time was the biggest railway company in the world and is tragically under-represented in preservation. Once again thank's for the two videos, I look forward to seeing your future work.
As for the Bull Moose locomotives not being in the list, I felt that the Fetter Challengers were a more memorable and versatile design, and kinda critical given how they were the true predecessors to the Big Boys, while the Heavy Challengers were designed after the Big Boys, really making them earn the title of Big Boy's little brother. ;)
I'm not sure why a Southern Pacific AC-11 made the list, when you know (and showed) an AC-12 is preserved (at CSRM), and it was shopped before going on display in front of the old Sacramento depot before being put aside and finally displayed at the CSRM. As far as other locomotives that should be on the list... Many SP fans lament not having an Mt-3/4/5 4-8-2 saved. Ditto one of the large "Decapods" - the F-3/4/5 class 2-10-2s. And not to show too much SP bias, I'll throw in the ATSF Blue Goose and any of the Milwaukee Road streamliners into the mix. You covered the NYC Hudson and Niagra.... I hearily concur. Photograph the common today. It won't be so common in the future.
22:07. A very good video! Call me crazy, but I'm actually looking at starting my own New Build project to construct a New Y6B once I gather the proper experience and know-how to do such a thing, but instead of being a replica of 2174, It will instead be the next number in the sequence, 2201.
@@Jimboliah3985 You Don't have too. However, It's a passion project of mine, and I desire to see 2201 come to be, whenever that may happen. I promise you this: I will make SURE this locomotive comes to be if it KILLS me.
@@Jimboliah3985 Hey, That's your opinion, and I will respect that. I desire to build the 2201, and I'm going to do all I can to make sure my dream becomes a reality.
Very good narration in English for a Dutchie, the accent lying somewhere between a British and American accent makes it good understandable for anyone speaking (some) English, also like the jokes in between, and the right terms used for both sides of the pond, altough there was one small mistake, in the case of British locomotives their numbers are refered to as running numbers, not road numbers. I would have had seen the Niagara above the River class, as the Niagara did so much for achieving maximum cost effectiveness from a steam locomotive, which was higher than any diesel, according to a comparision trial done by NYC itself. They were also the best looking American 4-8-4 with their sleek lines My favorite for an extinct British loco class would be the CR Dunalastair ( any of the I, II, III or IVth variant), because they achieved great performance for such a small locomotive (they were 4-4-0's)
Ref- your comment at 11.34; there were two early classes with outside gear: four French based de Glenn compounds in 1903 & also six 0-4-0T shunters for Swansea Docks in the 20s; all of these are now scrapped. There were also nearly 100 steam rail motors with outside gear; one of these has been preserved.
Hey I liked the S1 yeah it was flawed but it was so cool it kind of like the lamborghini countach of steam locomotives yes its impractical and unwieldy but is fast as hell ant it oozes style
Birmingham In Worcestershire? Full marks for pronouncing it correctly, by the way! Historically, Birmingham (aka Brum by Brummies ) was in Warwickshire, pronounced Worricksh'r for those who need instruction in the idiosyncrasies (I had to check the spelling, tut, tut!) of the pronunciation of English place names. I do have a framed 19th century map of Warwickshire (I'm a Warwickshire lad), which I've just checked, and which shows the early railways. In the past, county boundaries were moved around at the whim of the ruling classes, so I should also look at a 17th century Warwickshire map that I have somewhere.. However, in my lifetime, the government has redrawn some county and local authority boundaries at least twice and , in 1974, Birmingham, along with Coventry, was put into the newly created County of the West Midlands, which has since disappeared.
From the point of view of a pure steam lover, yes! But from the point of reliability, good power to weight ratio and cost effectiveness there were/are a handfull of sucsesfull British diesels, the class 20, 37 and 55 (Deltics) all English Eelctric products, and the class 33 with a Sulzer engine. A bit more costly on the maintenance side but a very good power to weight ratio had all Maybach powered Western region hydraulics (Hymek, Warship and Western), they had much to short lives due to the decision of the BR management, our Hymek at the East Lancs rwy gives us very reliable service, with much less defects and failures than a 50 or 47. And lets be realistic, the Dutch weren't that good at designing diesels either, the only diesel serie ever designed and built in the Netherlands (other classes were all imports), the class2600 "Beel" were a complete disaster, comparable with the UK's worst design, the class 28 CoBo (but i'm involved in rebuilding that one anyway. LOL)
While I really don't like the Rolling River Tanks, I agree that the Q2s were a HUGE step over the Q1 (which is currently my most hated design), as well as the P2s would've been better off had Thompson left them alone; he did build decent original designs, but he ruined everything he tries to fix. I'm kinda sad that the Niagara didn't make the list, especially with how powerful they were as conventional engines and how they quite literally challenged the economy efficiency of the diesel itself, but I'm really glad that Big Bertha made the list; the largest loco from a Small Locomotive railway and could actually be called large!
Wow, I didn't think anyone could think less of Pennsy's relentless pursuit of a decent duplex than I did, but I think you are there. I guess you didn't include the Milwaukee's F-7 4-6-4 Baltics because they probably did best Mallard's record in service, but the Milwaukee did not want what they felt would be the unwanted perception that it was unsafe. In any event, they surely could have bested it, especially with a Mallard weight consist. They should have been # 1. There were no SP GS-8s, but the GS-5s are decent selections. They were essentially GS-4s with roller bearings. The GS-6s went back to smaller drivers for more freight orientation. While the Virginian Triplex was not successful, their Class AE 2-10-10-2 engines were very successful for a long time in drag service. The Norfolk and Western's K2 and K2a Mountain Classes are worthy of honorable mention as well.
@@Jimboliah3985 How are the uk diesels moronic? And for the American diesel your kinda right. I’m of sure if I have any examples, but if you have any that’ll be nice.
A lot of new builds won't see the light of day, including the Cock O'The North in all likelihood. Prince of Wales will run though (although she's probably delayed thanks to the virus).
I think one good honorable mention would be the furnace railway k2 class And quick newsflash, you may have heard by now I knew LNER P2 class is Currently under construction.
Isn't the Bluebell railway building a new 4-4-2 with an existing boiler? Just like the A1 Pacific it should be steaming within a couple years. At least I hope so.
These classes have none surviving as well: A1/1 A2/1 A2/3 Raven A2 LNER A5 Furness Railway K2 LNER B17 and B2 The original Peppercorn A1s LNER J50 LNER K3 LNER V4 Thompson O1 Just to name a few. Also, the A2/2s look very nice in my opinion.
36:12 Actually, one SP GS-8 is still around, Cotton Belt 819. I say this because really, the GS-8s were actually SSW L-1s, half of them were transferred to SP in the early 50s.
In actual fact, NONE of the counties went to Barry, which is the main reason for none surviving, however, many of the parts were common to locos that did make it there, which is where parts for the new county are coming from
thats fair enough, two great videos. I've actually Driven and fired two of the locos you feature, GWR manor class 7802 (Photographed at Arley when you discuss the GWR 4-6-0s) and 1501
Jim van der Kolk 16 years of hard work, 1 firelighting exam, 2 firing exams (one practical and one rules) and three drivers exams (one practical, one theory and one rules) to get there
@@Jimboliah3985 ok sorry (Edit: But technically, the full name of the Milwaukee Road was the Chicago, Milwaukee, St Paul, & Pacific Railroad. Thus CMStP&P)
Quasimoto7 819 was never sent to the Southern Pacific. Instead, she was donated for display in Pine Bluff upon retirement. She always was, and still is a SSW L1 class.
@MegaIdiotJerk I have a special liking for the N and W because they really believed in steam. It would have been great if Jawn Henry had been a success...
Don't blame me, blame Carl Jensen and the other 3 members of the clique that controlled the Roanoke NRHS in those days. Most Railroad fans just want to take pictures and ride railfan trips. The Roanoke Chapter basically ignored the museum .When a nonprofit organization took it over the Roanoke Chapter helped themselves more than the museum. They got a big cut of the profits for running the concessions and gift shop.Instead of supporting the museum they exploited it. They tried to do the same thing at Allegany Central. "I don't like them. They want to take over everybody's business and run it for themselves." said AC president,the late Jack Showalter. By contrast many people from the Old Dominion Chapter were active on the AC. They worked hard there and never tried to exploit the road's finances. The Roanoke Chapter never made an official effort to save the 2174. I was a member in those days .I Never heard any mention of a 2174 preservation effort discuss at any meeting. I was told " You are working for the Southern, not the Chapter.That doesn't count." If I wanted to work as a crew member.I was supposed to pay. What asses!
To be fair though no CB&Q 2-10-4 or Colorado's didn't survive but Bessemer and Lake Erie 643 and other H class 2-10-4's are based off of the Colorado's. So there is a design or copy of the originals from the CB&Q still around.
Thanks for mentioning the Billington E2s (of which Thomas the Tank Engine is based on) :P. I have heard of a proposed project to built a new one numbered 110 from scratch.
The E2s were rubbish, dude. The only reason anyone likes them now is because of Thomas, and Thomas is definitely an embarrassment to big steam fanatics! I've even said I have outgrown Thomas a long time ago!
@@Jimboliah3985 Seeing this comment amd its replies really shock me how people put shame on others for having opinions. I'll be honest, I feel that you should be a bit more fair with Thomas & Friends rather than saying that it's an outright embarrasment to train fanatics. I'm not being like Connor here that he judged you for disliking the E2, because I respect your opinion on the show, and really, I actually agree as the show nowadays IS an embarrasment to big train fanatics all around the world(having terrible unrealistic plots and now has gone to the levels of Chuggington, literally). But I'm willing to voice my opinion that it was far from that when it was a book series. In fact, one story basically replicates the real fate of a mountain engine called L.A.T.A.S.(I'll spare you the details as I know you won't care). I'll just say that the author of the old books(Wilbert Awdry) would be beyond pissed if he saw the show nowadays. But outgrowing something means that it's something of the past, and that's something that's impossible to judge as I have outgrown from several kids shows when I became 13. But I'll get straight to thr point, you are correct in saying that the E2s were actually pretty rubbish. Again, Ill be honest with my opinion on these locomotives. I like their design, but thats really it. They are just worse versions of their future replacements, the USA Docktanks. To quote a reply to a comment in this video: "The E2 is popular for the wrong reason". And to the guy that made this original comment and judged Jim of an opinion, you are wrong in doing that. You could've said "Oh ok" but instead you said "Shame on you!" and basically could've started an argument. Its good you didn't have the guts to reply three years ago, otherwise, things could've gotten ugly(Jim, if you though tha outgrowing Thomas was the best thing that bappened, well you're right as nowadays[maybe even before RUclips existed] the fandom is just full of judgemental people, horrid drama and just toxic overall) Ok my wall is done so you can judge me now if I offended you, Jim.
@@DiegoGonzalez-cz6gu I admit, I do agree with what people have said about what the show became in the nitrogen era and bwba but the thing is I am upset with Jim disregarding the e2s and Thomas and friends because he is not giving the classic series even a tiny bit of slack.
I've had to pause the vid and say, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for taking the time to pronounce "Worcestershire" properly! I don't know why I even care though, never even been there. ('>_>)
I have many times 59n. I thought his brief attempt at a Scottish Accent was quite good too. This guy is a true-blu Railway Enthusiast and despite some minor language differences ( two forms of English ) his presentation style is of good standard... for, as we say this side of the big pond.. a "Yank".. .... ... 👍....😉
The PRR T-1 and Q-2 's most of theier time in service run in the chicago and sandusky to crestline areas becouse theier rigid frame make it impossible to run over the (back then already 100 year old) tight curved tracks over the mountains.
what about the most graceful locomotive of the lot , the Great Central " Jersey Lillys" class 8B -8C -8D and 8E Atlantics also Wath Dasies 0-8-4T tank engines
14:20 another Railworks Player I see, is that a repaint for the Hall or that BR Black repaint for the Riveria Line in the 1950's Grange? Or that one with which SSS supported the Grange appeal? As for Dai Woodham, shouldn't that be Saint Dai, the patron saint of Kettles and their crews? ;) *tongue firmly in cheek* ;)
Pity might be something interesting. ;) We recently got the grange as a model there, as well as the Saints. The GWR is afaik the most complete there, as we have the 57XX Paniers, the Halls, Manors, 43XX, Kings, Castles, 14XX/48XX, 72XX, 42XX-5205 the aforementioned Saitns and Granges....................and the Dean Goods! ;) :D The only thing missing is the heavy freight 2-8-0 tenders (always feels strange as a german calling them tenders, as we call the tanks tenderlok, and the tenders Schlepptenderloks), but they are in the works. The other railways are a bit less complete, when it comes to what you can do with them, but they are worked upon. German kettles are pretty rare though, us kettles it's a bit better when it comes to third party devs. Kettles have become more popular, even though they are more challenging to drive. Especially if you take one of the advanced locos, where interestingly enough the Clan started off a series of Advanced locos made by Just Trains. Rather like it, it's similar to my british favourite the Bulleid Light Pacifics, lots of power, but sometimes a bit challenging to get that on the rails. They are what introduced the Clans and a lot of british locos to me, having grown up with german kettles. SSS is Steam Sounds supreme, they started off making soundpacks for kettles, now they also do soundwork for projects by other devs.
Let me put it this way. I FOULLY disagree with ANYBODY who supports the T1 Trust just for smashing Mallard's record. And you saying that Big Bertha looks funny, I took it as a stab.
Jim van der Kolk well excuse me for having an opinion Führe to me I does look funny with the big smoke box front it’s piston pointed up in the air and that headlamp it’s a cool engine though as far as the T1 trust I don’t give a shit about anything they do it’s stupid and I don’t even like the PRR I’m sorry for having a different opinion and you know being a human. I’ll never watch one of your videos again as I can see free speech is not welcome here.
@@Jimboliah3985 I think that E2 class tank engines were majorly flawed, there is an idea I had, if the plans for the E2s are found I want to see if I could improve them, maybe with wheel arches, slightly larger coal bunkers, different running boards and more they could have worked better
I think I know what you mean with steam electrics. Those steam locomotives with a pantograph that turn an electric heater on where the firebox was. They look a bit too stupid for me and they weren't from the UK or USA. They were from Switzerland, and I mainly focus on British and American steam locomotives. And as for that nuclear locomotive: myth busted. THANKFULLY. Seriously, who'd be stupid enough to build a nuclear locomotive? Nuclear power plants are already quite a risk. Look at Chernobyl in Ukraine. I know you shouldn't be joking with big disasters but the 4th reactor if that nuclear power plant had a safety test that was delayed and when the test was finally executed, it didn't go so well. It umm... *EXPLODED*. So from my point of view, the thought of a nuclear locomotive is risky technology and human stupidity coming together to form one of the worst ideas of all time.
Actually GE made the 2 Steam Electrics, they had a boiler and a turbine that powered a generator and wheel sets like a Deasil (sp?) engine the X-12 was suppose to be 160 foot long articulated engine again using a steam turbine to power the wheel sets
So with steam electrics you meant steam TURBINES? The only turbine on this list is the LMS Turbomotive, 6200. Those GE steam turbines looked too much like diesels so I didn't include them. ... and my opinion on that nuclear locomotive still stands.
I know of those 2... But they're still steam turbines. Sure, the turbines power an electrical generator that creates electricity for the traction motors on the wheels, but the turbine is powered by steam. So it's still a steam turbine. ... even if they looked like gigantic diesels...
The first several Y6b’s were built with that oval shaped firebox doors to give them a different look from the Y6 and Y6a’s. Later Y6b’s starting with 2190 I believe were built with the normal round doors since it was difficult for shop workers to gain access to the smoke box through the smaller openings. All the earlier Y6b’s that had the oval doors got them changed out with round ones by the early 1950’s.
Jim van der Kolk the other reason why the E2s have not been put on the new built list is because there are other replicas of Thomas. And one of them can actually talk!
You do know this is my Top 20 EXTINCT UK & US steam locomotives, right? As in, locomotive classes with NO surviving representatives? Granted, some have gotten replica/new-build projects, but for now there are no existing examples of these designs. You want to know about 1218, watch my Top 10 retired UK & US steam excursion stars.
No offense, but the SP GS-8 isn't extinct. There is one left. Cotton Belt #819. The SP GS-7's and GS-8's were Cotton Belt L-1 class Northerns that had been leased by the SP in the early/mid 1950's with the earlier L-1 class engines reclassified as GS-7 and the later ones that were leased being reclassified GS-8. The GS-1 through GS-3 and GS-5 Northerns are extinct though.
One I personally would have mentioned would be the Milwaukee Road's Baldwin built S-2 class Northerns and the Milwaukee Road's Baldwin built S-1 class Northern Prototype (which the Milwaukee Road made a copy of later) or the Milwaukee Road F-7 4-6-4 Hudson types which are said to have regularly gone about 127 MPH in regular everyday service on the Twin Cities-Chicago leg of the Hiawatha service. Another I would have mentioned is the Gresley V4 2-6-2 tender engine which was a class of 2 engines that were basically shortened V2 class engines meant for use on a branchline on the LNER network, or the Billington E2 of the LBSCRor the Midland 3F 0-6-0 tender engine.
I was kinda hoping that the Furness Railway 21/K2 “Larger Seagull” Mixed Traffic Engine would be on this list, besides it being Edward’s inspiration, it is one of the best looking Mixed Traffic Engines I have ever seen and considering when they were built it might have inspired a hell of a lot of other classes, including City Of Truro, I mean, it’s basically a K2 with one of those blocks in front of the cab
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As of April 5, 2019 The Saint class is no longer extinct as GWR 2999 Lady of Legend is now officially under steam at Didcot.
It’s Mainly Hall
@@Jaymehkook Yes, but she is no longer a Hall class.
14:00 in Jim asks "Anyone Bored Yet?"... Not me, really enjoyed that Jim. You are clearly a well researched Railway Enthusiast . Considering you're north American, impressed with your handling and presentation of UK Locomotive design. Keep up the good work.
It’s sad to see the magnificent locomotives be withdrawn scrapped and cut up
Agreed
The Southern Pacific GS-8’s were Cotton Belt L-1 class 4-8-4’s that were leased by the SP at the end of steam on the SP just renumbered and reclassified to match the SP numbering and classification system. And one does still exist in the form of Cotton Belt L-1 #819 in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
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*23:07* "Thane of Phayaa"
That was flawless, given that it was a thane. I was laughing so much.
Edit: *39:28* Did anyone here notice the road number on the Big Boy?!
I did
Anyone heard of the LBSC L class?
Lovely looking engines, built in the UK for suburban passenger service I think
I would like to mention the Southern Railroad's Ms-4 class 2-8-2s. As copies of the USRA heavy 2-8-2s, they were built by ALCo and Baldwin from 1923 - 1928. They were the Southern's standard freight locomotives and were used on heavy freight trains and also used on passenger runs. In 1952, the first of the Ms-4s started to fall from the Southern's active roster and by June 1953, only the Ms-4s on the Southern's Alabama Great Southern Subsidiary were left. Sadly these would also retire in 1954. Sadly none of them, not even all of the original and copy USRA heavy 2-8-2s were spared from the scrappers torch.
GWR 2900 Saint class 2999 Lady of Legend is completed.
First: That name is a meme if I've ever seen one.
Second: THANK THE HEAVENS!!!
Just to acquaint you folks with our geography, not to correct you understand but hopefully to interest you.
Birmingham is England’s 2nd. largest city in the centre of the country and was for centuries in the County of Warwickshire. In 1974, it became absorbed into the West Midlands Metropolitan Authority.
The Lickey Incline is between Bromsgrove and Blackwell to the south-west of Birmingham and in the County of Worcester (pronounced Wooster) or Worcestershire (Wooster-sheer). It remains in that county beyond that area which was taken over by the West Midlands Metropolitan Authority.
Bear in mind, our counties are impossibly small compared to yours. If you started driving in any direction from anywhere here you would cross the county line within 50 miles and reach the sea within half a dozen counties!
One valve gear that interests me is always been Walscharts..
But baker and Stephenson are interesting.
The most iconic I know is the B2 Rotary valve gear used on the later Penn Railroad T1’s that helped against Slip
Im watching this in 2020 and i must say i enjoyed part 1 and part 2 very educational (: i love trains but big boy and challenger will always be my #1 favorite steamers !! :D
I would have said the Virginians AE class 2-10-10-2s. They were an experimental locomotive design that worked well on the gently curving tracks of the Virginian railroad system. These locomotives were very rare and only lasted a short time before they were all cut up and turned into 2-10-2s. They did give me an idea to build a mallet Garrett with a 2-10-10-2+2-10-10-2 wheel arrangement. It would use the same method Mallet used as it would have a compounding system and the second and third sets of drivers would have steam linkages to the first and fourth sets to drive all four sets. It would weigh in at an estimated 810 or more tonnes and would have 60 inch drivers. Me and the rest of the NT crew have estimated it to be able to pull about 40-60000 tonnes but only at 2-6 mph. I still think that I will make it if I ever get enough money and some help. It would take around 25-30 YEARS to build though so even if I did get enough money for it then I would still age before I get to use it. In the meantime though I am currently building a model replica of this very locomotive and I will make a video on it when it is done.
... That's ridiculous. I have no words to describe how stupid and unplausible I think your project for that Super-Garrett is... It's just TOO BIG...
Jim van der Kolk I know it's quite a crazy idea but I may do it just for the hell of it. I mean SAR (South African Railways) actually thought about making a super Garrett with a 2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2 wheel arrangement.
My home town has an L&N depot. It has 2 tracks, a siding for tank cars, and an old coal tipple. We only have freight trains to go through now. Never seen a passenger train run through in my life.
On the Southern K class (number 4), after the derailment, the Southern asked Sir Nigel Gresley to give them a look over and one example ran on LNER tracks where it failed to show any instability until it reached very high speed (70 or 80 mph if I remember correctly) and started to roll though not alarmingly. Gresley handed the locomotive back to the Southern and suggested poor track was to blame for the K's rolling ride not the locomotives themselves. This obviously didn't go down well with the Southern's chief civil engineer who was responsible for the permanent way (the tracks) who flatly banned them from running and forcing the rebuild into the U class tender engines.
So the southerns chief civil engineer was a bit immature? cause If I were him I would make sure tracks were up to snuff with standards then disprove
Not immature @@sockshandle but certainly touchy especially as it was his professional integrity that was being called into question and by a CME from a different Railway company (though Gresley was probably a lot more diplomatic about it than I've written here).
Can you tackle Extinct Australian steam locos next? that'd be something I'd like to see
Another good video, thanks for producing it... One point though, Birmingham (the real one in the UK) is in Warwickshire, not Worcestershire... People have been killed for less in the UK!
Also, why wasn't the UP's successful Bullmoose 2-8-8-0 on your list? I'm surprised that it didn't even get an 'honourable mention'. UK loco's that should have been preserved, but weren't include pretty much everything from the LNWR, which at one time was the biggest railway company in the world and is tragically under-represented in preservation.
Once again thank's for the two videos, I look forward to seeing your future work.
As for the Bull Moose locomotives not being in the list, I felt that the Fetter Challengers were a more memorable and versatile design, and kinda critical given how they were the true predecessors to the Big Boys, while the Heavy Challengers were designed after the Big Boys, really making them earn the title of Big Boy's little brother. ;)
I'm not sure why a Southern Pacific AC-11 made the list, when you know (and showed) an AC-12 is preserved (at CSRM), and it was shopped before going on display in front of the old Sacramento depot before being put aside and finally displayed at the CSRM.
As far as other locomotives that should be on the list... Many SP fans lament not having an Mt-3/4/5 4-8-2 saved. Ditto one of the large "Decapods" - the F-3/4/5 class 2-10-2s. And not to show too much SP bias, I'll throw in the ATSF Blue Goose and any of the Milwaukee Road streamliners into the mix. You covered the NYC Hudson and Niagra.... I hearily concur.
Photograph the common today. It won't be so common in the future.
22:07. A very good video! Call me crazy, but I'm actually looking at starting my own New Build project to construct a New Y6B once I gather the proper experience and know-how to do such a thing, but instead of being a replica of 2174, It will instead be the next number in the sequence, 2201.
I know that already, and I don't support the construction of the 2201.
@@Jimboliah3985 You Don't have too. However, It's a passion project of mine, and I desire to see 2201 come to be, whenever that may happen. I promise you this: I will make SURE this locomotive comes to be if it KILLS me.
I'm the same guy who said you shouldn't overstep the 2200.
@@Jimboliah3985 Hey, That's your opinion, and I will respect that. I desire to build the 2201, and I'm going to do all I can to make sure my dream becomes a reality.
Very good narration in English for a Dutchie, the accent lying somewhere between a British and American accent makes it good understandable for anyone speaking (some) English, also like the jokes in between, and the right terms used for both sides of the pond, altough there was one small mistake, in the case of British locomotives their numbers are refered to as running numbers, not road numbers.
I would have had seen the Niagara above the River class, as the Niagara did so much for achieving maximum cost effectiveness from a steam locomotive, which was higher than any diesel, according to a comparision trial done by NYC itself. They were also the best looking American 4-8-4 with their sleek lines
My favorite for an extinct British loco class would be the CR Dunalastair ( any of the I, II, III or IVth variant), because they achieved great performance for such a small locomotive (they were 4-4-0's)
Ref- your comment at 11.34; there were two early classes with outside gear: four French based de Glenn compounds in 1903 & also six 0-4-0T shunters for Swansea Docks in the 20s; all of these are now scrapped. There were also nearly 100 steam rail motors with outside gear; one of these has been preserved.
I don't cover French locomotives.
Hey I liked the S1 yeah it was flawed but it was so cool it kind of like the lamborghini countach of steam locomotives yes its impractical and unwieldy but is fast as hell ant it oozes style
Hurricane Furia Yeah didn’t it hit 176 mph ??????
Your Scotch (that'll annoy them) accent is better than mine and I live dangerously close to the border... About 200 miles which is close enough 😀
I suggest you talk about the GWR 4700 Class some more and the NYC Locomotives.
4700s aren’t extinct as one is being built
@@cheyvengeance5432 Seriously?
FeatherWings78 yes it’s being built by the Great western society but off site at Llangollen
The big boys were 4-8-8-4's while challengers were 4-6-6-4's. P.S. I also expected the LBSCR E2 as well.
Firstly: You don't say!?
Secondly: I didn't pick the E2s because they sucked.
Well the one with the new running number 110 won't suck at all.
They did back then.
Birmingham In Worcestershire? Full marks for pronouncing it correctly, by the way! Historically, Birmingham (aka Brum by Brummies ) was in Warwickshire, pronounced Worricksh'r for those who need instruction in the idiosyncrasies (I had to check the spelling, tut, tut!) of the pronunciation of English place names. I do have a framed 19th century map of Warwickshire (I'm a Warwickshire lad), which I've just checked, and which shows the early railways. In the past, county boundaries were moved around at the whim of the ruling classes, so I should also look at a 17th century Warwickshire map that I have somewhere.. However, in my lifetime, the government has redrawn some county and local authority boundaries at least twice and , in 1974, Birmingham, along with Coventry, was put into the newly created County of the West Midlands, which has since disappeared.
U should do the worst top 20 UK and US steam locomotives. Just a suggestion.
Was planning on a Top 5... :P
What about favorite locomotives in movies?
The worst top ten of British diesels would be very easy....
Everything. :P
From the point of view of a pure steam lover, yes!
But from the point of reliability, good power to weight ratio and cost effectiveness there were/are a handfull of sucsesfull British diesels, the class 20, 37 and 55 (Deltics) all English Eelctric products, and the class 33 with a Sulzer engine.
A bit more costly on the maintenance side but a very good power to weight ratio had all Maybach powered Western region hydraulics (Hymek, Warship and Western), they had much to short lives due to the decision of the BR management, our Hymek at the East Lancs rwy gives us very reliable service, with much less defects and failures than a 50 or 47.
And lets be realistic, the Dutch weren't that good at designing diesels either, the only diesel serie ever designed and built in the Netherlands (other classes were all imports), the class2600 "Beel" were a complete disaster, comparable with the UK's worst design, the class 28 CoBo (but i'm involved in rebuilding that one anyway. LOL)
While I really don't like the Rolling River Tanks, I agree that the Q2s were a HUGE step over the Q1 (which is currently my most hated design), as well as the P2s would've been better off had Thompson left them alone; he did build decent original designs, but he ruined everything he tries to fix. I'm kinda sad that the Niagara didn't make the list, especially with how powerful they were as conventional engines and how they quite literally challenged the economy efficiency of the diesel itself, but I'm really glad that Big Bertha made the list; the largest loco from a Small Locomotive railway and could actually be called large!
Appreciated the work. Would have liked to see the ATSF 2-10-10-2 included. Massive, but unsuccessful experiment
These two videos have been brilliant, well done lad very nicely done 😊 subbed.
Wow, I didn't think anyone could think less of Pennsy's relentless pursuit of a decent duplex than I did, but I think you are there.
I guess you didn't include the Milwaukee's F-7 4-6-4 Baltics because they probably did best Mallard's record in service, but the Milwaukee did not want what they felt would be the unwanted perception that it was unsafe. In any event, they surely could have bested it, especially with a Mallard weight consist. They should have been # 1.
There were no SP GS-8s, but the GS-5s are decent selections. They were essentially GS-4s with roller bearings. The GS-6s went back to smaller drivers for more freight orientation.
While the Virginian Triplex was not successful, their Class AE 2-10-10-2 engines were very successful for a long time in drag service.
The Norfolk and Western's K2 and K2a Mountain Classes are worthy of honorable mention as well.
4-6-4s were actually called, "hudsons"
Marco Lopena - 4-6-4's were called Hudsons in the USA and Baltics in the rest of the world.
And more interesting train in part 2 as well. You should try doing so diesels from U.K. & us!
No.
I don't like diesels from the UK because they look so moronic to me. And most US diesels are the same to me.
@@Jimboliah3985 How are the uk diesels moronic? And for the American diesel your kinda right. I’m of sure if I have any examples, but if you have any that’ll be nice.
There actually does survive a PRR J1 boiler, although buried underneath mud
The 2190 excursion is in Pocahontas Glory Volume 8 and the 2714 excursion is in Pocahontas Glory Volume 5.
The MR's Big Bertha was a 4-cyl simple locomotive, employing only two valves.
A lot of new builds won't see the light of day, including the Cock O'The North in all likelihood. Prince of Wales will run though (although she's probably delayed thanks to the virus).
I'm not going to lie I didn't expect this Kind of video form you but that doesn't mean these are bad good job mate 🙂
Yeah, steam locomotives are my biggest childhood hobby. Heck, I liked them before I was introduced to Transformers. :P
I think one good honorable mention would be the furnace railway k2 class And quick newsflash, you may have heard by now I knew LNER P2 class is Currently under construction.
Sad to see the dreams of steam dissipate....
Isn't the Bluebell railway building a new 4-4-2 with an existing boiler? Just like the A1 Pacific it should be steaming within a couple years. At least I hope so.
The Claude Hamilton's were a Great Eastern locomotive named after the chairman of GER at the time.
These classes have none surviving as well:
A1/1
A2/1
A2/3
Raven A2
LNER A5
Furness Railway K2
LNER B17 and B2
The original Peppercorn A1s
LNER J50
LNER K3
LNER V4
Thompson O1
Just to name a few. Also, the A2/2s look very nice in my opinion.
Out.
36:12 Actually, one SP GS-8 is still around, Cotton Belt 819. I say this because really, the GS-8s were actually SSW L-1s, half of them were transferred to SP in the early 50s.
Northern Pacific’s Z Class 2-6-6-4 Challengers (Z-6 to Z-8) should be on the list.
In actual fact, NONE of the counties went to Barry, which is the main reason for none surviving, however, many of the parts were common to locos that did make it there, which is where parts for the new county are coming from
Found that out on Facebook a while after the video was uploaded. ;-;
thats fair enough, two great videos. I've actually Driven and fired two of the locos you feature, GWR manor class 7802 (Photographed at Arley when you discuss the GWR 4-6-0s) and 1501
Jealousy: high. :P
Jim van der Kolk 16 years of hard work, 1 firelighting exam, 2 firing exams (one practical and one rules) and three drivers exams (one practical, one theory and one rules) to get there
A lot of time then.
The LNER Mikado No 2005 was not named Thane of Fire.
It was named Thane of Fife after Lord Macduff, the character in William Shakespeare's Macbeth.
we'll not forget the story of the mighty Y6B Haulers on the N&W
This is a great video
#2 was a bit shocking... for me at least
I believe that Union Pacific has a4 in-8-2 in their steam collection at Cheyenne Wyoming,but I might be wrong on that.
I was really hoping that the CMStP&P Hiawatha locomotives (both the class A’s and the F7’s) would make it on the list
You mean the Milwaukee Road, don't you?
@@Jimboliah3985 yes sir
Then just say Milwaukee Road.
@@Jimboliah3985 ok sorry
(Edit: But technically, the full name of the Milwaukee Road was the Chicago, Milwaukee, St Paul, & Pacific Railroad. Thus CMStP&P)
If I did one of these, one I would feature would be the experimental ATSF 2-10-10-2
The GS-8 survives, if you count SSW 819. The GS-8 came from the SSW
Quasimoto7 819 was never sent to the Southern Pacific. Instead, she was donated for display in Pine Bluff upon retirement. She always was, and still is a SSW L1 class.
The Big boy strapped into a new Future
My personal favorite extinct steam locomotive is the N&W Y6b.
Fabulous locomotives...
@MegaIdiotJerk I have a special liking for the N and W because they really believed in steam. It would have been great if Jawn Henry had been a success...
@MegaIdiotJerk Yes. The Swedish turbines were a big success. And yes Jawn Henry should have been saved. It was a brave innovation.
Don't blame me, blame Carl Jensen and the other 3 members of the clique that controlled the Roanoke NRHS in those days. Most Railroad fans just want to take pictures and ride railfan trips. The Roanoke Chapter basically ignored the museum .When a nonprofit organization took it over the Roanoke Chapter helped themselves more than the museum. They got a big cut of the profits for running the concessions and gift shop.Instead of supporting the museum they exploited it. They tried to do the same thing at Allegany Central. "I don't like them. They want to take over everybody's business and run it for themselves." said AC president,the late Jack Showalter. By contrast many people from the Old Dominion Chapter were active on the AC. They worked hard there and never tried to exploit the road's finances. The Roanoke Chapter never made an official effort to save the 2174. I was a member in those days .I Never heard any mention of a 2174 preservation effort discuss at any meeting. I was told " You are working for the Southern, not the Chapter.That doesn't count." If I wanted to work as a crew member.I was supposed to pay. What asses!
To be fair though no CB&Q 2-10-4 or Colorado's didn't survive but Bessemer and Lake Erie 643 and other H class 2-10-4's are based off of the Colorado's. So there is a design or copy of the originals from the CB&Q still around.
thanks a lot.Very informative.All the best
Thank you for enjoying. :)
Saint no longer extinct as Lady of Legend Operational - County and Grange are being built completed as well.
Have you checked when this was uploaded? I also mentioned the revival of said classes.
I love your videos so addicting
And in the honorable mentions, I had no idea that the Great Eastern A55s were extinct, AND the LNER Claud Hamiltons
The A55 was a one-off.
I've first, the Thompson L1 Class 2-6-4T.
second, Furness Railway 21/K2 “Larger Seagull”
and third, the LMS Garratts
Thanks for mentioning the Billington E2s (of which Thomas the Tank Engine is based on) :P. I have heard of a proposed project to built a new one numbered 110 from scratch.
I didn't mention the E2s, because I don't like them.
The E2s were rubbish, dude. The only reason anyone likes them now is because of Thomas, and Thomas is definitely an embarrassment to big steam fanatics!
I've even said I have outgrown Thomas a long time ago!
Don't have the guts to say anything back?
@@Jimboliah3985
Seeing this comment amd its replies really shock me how people put shame on others for having opinions.
I'll be honest, I feel that you should be a bit more fair with Thomas & Friends rather than saying that it's an outright embarrasment to train fanatics.
I'm not being like Connor here that he judged you for disliking the E2, because I respect your opinion on the show, and really, I actually agree as the show nowadays IS an embarrasment to big train fanatics all around the world(having terrible unrealistic plots and now has gone to the levels of Chuggington, literally). But I'm willing to voice my opinion that it was far from that when it was a book series. In fact, one story basically replicates the real fate of a mountain engine called L.A.T.A.S.(I'll spare you the details as I know you won't care). I'll just say that the author of the old books(Wilbert Awdry) would be beyond pissed if he saw the show nowadays.
But outgrowing something means that it's something of the past, and that's something that's impossible to judge as I have outgrown from several kids shows when I became 13.
But I'll get straight to thr point, you are correct in saying that the E2s were actually pretty rubbish. Again, Ill be honest with my opinion on these locomotives. I like their design, but thats really it. They are just worse versions of their future replacements, the USA Docktanks. To quote a reply to a comment in this video:
"The E2 is popular for the wrong reason".
And to the guy that made this original comment and judged Jim of an opinion, you are wrong in doing that. You could've said "Oh ok" but instead you said "Shame on you!" and basically could've started an argument. Its good you didn't have the guts to reply three years ago, otherwise, things could've gotten ugly(Jim, if you though tha outgrowing Thomas was the best thing that bappened, well you're right as nowadays[maybe even before RUclips existed] the fandom is just full of judgemental people, horrid drama and just toxic overall)
Ok my wall is done so you can judge me now if I offended you, Jim.
@@DiegoGonzalez-cz6gu I admit, I do agree with what people have said about what the show became in the nitrogen era and bwba but the thing is I am upset with Jim disregarding the e2s and Thomas and friends because he is not giving the classic series even a tiny bit of slack.
The L&Y Class 8 Dreadnoughts?
0:06 funny story on big bertha there was a lucky Luke episode called a cannon for the Dalton's and the cannon was name big Bertha
What’s the name of the music you used in the video?
I've had to pause the vid and say, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for taking the time to pronounce "Worcestershire" properly!
I don't know why I even care though, never even been there. ('>_>)
I have many times 59n. I thought his brief attempt at a Scottish Accent was quite good too. This guy is a true-blu Railway Enthusiast and despite some minor language differences ( two forms of English ) his presentation style is of good standard... for, as we say this side of the big pond.. a "Yank"..
.... ... 👍....😉
The PRR T-1 and Q-2 's most of theier time in service run in the chicago and sandusky to crestline areas becouse theier rigid frame make it impossible to run over the (back then already 100 year old) tight curved tracks over the mountains.
What was from T&F Edward's type?? It was from Furness Railway, but I can't remember the class.
Timo Ilonen FR K2
I thought Big Bertha was number 92079 for British Rail
I enjoyed this video thank you.
10. Most famous steam locomotives
Rember the Berkshire for the pere Marquette is 1225 (the polar express)
It's still around, so why are you mentioning it here?
I mean rember that we still have it
what about the most graceful locomotive of the lot , the Great Central " Jersey Lillys" class 8B -8C -8D and 8E Atlantics also Wath Dasies 0-8-4T tank engines
14:20 another Railworks Player I see, is that a repaint for the Hall or that BR Black repaint for the Riveria Line in the 1950's Grange?
Or that one with which SSS supported the Grange appeal?
As for Dai Woodham, shouldn't that be Saint Dai, the patron saint of Kettles and their crews? ;) *tongue firmly in cheek* ;)
I don't play Railworks. I just found that image online.
Pity might be something interesting. ;) We recently got the grange as a model there, as well as the Saints.
The GWR is afaik the most complete there, as we have the 57XX Paniers, the Halls, Manors, 43XX, Kings, Castles, 14XX/48XX, 72XX, 42XX-5205 the aforementioned Saitns and Granges....................and the Dean Goods! ;) :D
The only thing missing is the heavy freight 2-8-0 tenders (always feels strange as a german calling them tenders, as we call the tanks tenderlok, and the tenders Schlepptenderloks), but they are in the works.
The other railways are a bit less complete, when it comes to what you can do with them, but they are worked upon.
German kettles are pretty rare though, us kettles it's a bit better when it comes to third party devs.
Kettles have become more popular, even though they are more challenging to drive.
Especially if you take one of the advanced locos, where interestingly enough the Clan started off a series of Advanced locos made by Just Trains. Rather like it, it's similar to my british favourite the Bulleid Light Pacifics, lots of power, but sometimes a bit challenging to get that on the rails.
They are what introduced the Clans and a lot of british locos to me, having grown up with german kettles.
SSS is Steam Sounds supreme, they started off making soundpacks for kettles, now they also do soundwork for projects by other devs.
Birmingham has never been in Worcestershire it is in the modern county of West Midlands and historically was in Warwickshire.
What about LMS and LNER garrets
Have you watched part 1?
you should probably do some more actual research on the Pennsy duplexes.
Big Bertha looks funny
Complaining, I take it?
Jim van der Kolk this is the reason you get hate you know that right?
Let me put it this way.
I FOULLY disagree with ANYBODY who supports the T1 Trust just for smashing Mallard's record. And you saying that Big Bertha looks funny, I took it as a stab.
Jim van der Kolk well excuse me for having an opinion Führe to me I does look funny with the big smoke box front it’s piston pointed up in the air and that headlamp it’s a cool engine though as far as the T1 trust I don’t give a shit about anything they do it’s stupid and I don’t even like the PRR I’m sorry for having a different opinion and you know being a human. I’ll never watch one of your videos again as I can see free speech is not welcome here.
Well there is a tender from PRR j1 6459.
2:29 No, not Birmingham, Alabama.
WAIT your a dutcher from the netherlands
Can you do a sequel that has all of the classes that you didn't put on here plus a few more and even include the LB&SCR E2 class tank engines
No. And the E2s are trash. End of story.
@@Jimboliah3985 okie, thank you for responding, it is nice to talk to you, how are you doing?
@@Jimboliah3985 I think that E2 class tank engines were majorly flawed, there is an idea I had, if the plans for the E2s are found I want to see if I could improve them, maybe with wheel arches, slightly larger coal bunkers, different running boards and more they could have worked better
We want to build a 2 LNER J88s And 3 LNER J93s
Would a j38 possibly be on the cards too?
There is a 5INCH steam loco in aus named river angis
Thane of FIYAAAAH! is actually called thane of FIFE.
Ah... One joke slightly ruiend... ;w;
Thanks for pointing out the correct name, though. ;)
You're in the Netherlands? Why do you sound American?
What about the steam electrics or the mythical x-12 nuclear engine....
I think I know what you mean with steam electrics. Those steam locomotives with a pantograph that turn an electric heater on where the firebox was. They look a bit too stupid for me and they weren't from the UK or USA. They were from Switzerland, and I mainly focus on British and American steam locomotives.
And as for that nuclear locomotive: myth busted. THANKFULLY.
Seriously, who'd be stupid enough to build a nuclear locomotive? Nuclear power plants are already quite a risk. Look at Chernobyl in Ukraine. I know you shouldn't be joking with big disasters but the 4th reactor if that nuclear power plant had a safety test that was delayed and when the test was finally executed, it didn't go so well. It umm... *EXPLODED*.
So from my point of view, the thought of a nuclear locomotive is risky technology and human stupidity coming together to form one of the worst ideas of all time.
Actually GE made the 2 Steam Electrics, they had a boiler and a turbine that powered a generator and wheel sets like a Deasil (sp?) engine the X-12 was suppose to be 160 foot long articulated engine again using a steam turbine to power the wheel sets
So with steam electrics you meant steam TURBINES? The only turbine on this list is the LMS Turbomotive, 6200. Those GE steam turbines looked too much like diesels so I didn't include them.
... and my opinion on that nuclear locomotive still stands.
Here en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_steam_turbine_locomotives is a good description, they serve red on the up and later great northern
I know of those 2... But they're still steam turbines. Sure, the turbines power an electrical generator that creates electricity for the traction motors on the wheels, but the turbine is powered by steam. So it's still a steam turbine.
... even if they looked like gigantic diesels...
Was Thomas a Jinty or a Pannier?
He was based on the relatively horrid E2s from the LB&SC.
NostalgiaKarl K.F. An LBSCR E2
The saints class isn't extinct anymore
hmm what about reid macleod steam turbine locomotive
Cold you do one with the E2 tank engine
But they really sucked like bad and they were scrapped a few years after being built
@@thebluejintythomasthetanke587 a few years? They were scrapped almost 50 years after they were built according to my sources(1915-1963)
what about the class 28 steam locomotive in the uk
What? You mean the Great Western 2800s? There's 15 of them left...
Jim van der Kolk oh
anyone esle notice the wierdly shaped smokebox door on N&W 2180 and 2185?
I did. And I have no idea why they had those. :|
The first several Y6b’s were built with that oval shaped firebox doors to give them a different look from the Y6 and Y6a’s. Later Y6b’s starting with 2190 I believe were built with the normal round doors since it was difficult for shop workers to gain access to the smoke box through the smaller openings. All the earlier Y6b’s that had the oval doors got them changed out with round ones by the early 1950’s.
No S.R or B.R Leaders?
Run.
Not liking the way this "person" is slagging off the British engines, Our's might be smaller but they were built to fit our heads.
How am I sagging off British engines?
I think The Billington E2 should have made this list. It's also getting a new build!!! Thomas will have another sibling!!!
Nope. They were VERY lackluster in performance, which is why I'm not including them.
OK, That does make sense why you didn't include them.
Because I'm Batman well he's dead so grandkid
Jim van der Kolk the other reason why the E2s have not been put on the new built list is because there are other replicas of Thomas. And one of them can actually talk!
I've heard that rebuilding project of the LBSCR E2 in Thomas blue livery with extended side tanks.
What about n&w 1218?
You do know this is my Top 20 EXTINCT UK & US steam locomotives, right? As in, locomotive classes with NO surviving representatives? Granted, some have gotten replica/new-build projects, but for now there are no existing examples of these designs.
You want to know about 1218, watch my Top 10 retired UK & US steam excursion stars.
Y6b's Train triple the 2180 going with train moving forward in Order for Y6a's
No offense, but the SP GS-8 isn't extinct. There is one left. Cotton Belt #819. The SP GS-7's and GS-8's were Cotton Belt L-1 class Northerns that had been leased by the SP in the early/mid 1950's with the earlier L-1 class engines reclassified as GS-7 and the later ones that were leased being reclassified GS-8. The GS-1 through GS-3 and GS-5 Northerns are extinct though.
I know, I know, I know... I already realized that and others have told me... ;-;
One I personally would have mentioned would be the Milwaukee Road's Baldwin built S-2 class Northerns and the Milwaukee Road's Baldwin built S-1 class Northern Prototype (which the Milwaukee Road made a copy of later) or the Milwaukee Road F-7 4-6-4 Hudson types which are said to have regularly gone about 127 MPH in regular everyday service on the Twin Cities-Chicago leg of the Hiawatha service. Another I would have mentioned is the Gresley V4 2-6-2 tender engine which was a class of 2 engines that were basically shortened V2 class engines meant for use on a branchline on the LNER network, or the Billington E2 of the LBSCRor the Midland 3F 0-6-0 tender engine.
If Lionel makes a Vision Line model of a y6b I would totally buy it.
I think anyone who likes big mallets would buy it
I was kinda hoping that the Furness Railway 21/K2 “Larger Seagull” Mixed Traffic Engine would be on this list, besides it being Edward’s inspiration, it is one of the best looking Mixed Traffic Engines I have ever seen and considering when they were built it might have inspired a hell of a lot of other classes, including City Of Truro, I mean, it’s basically a K2 with one of those blocks in front of the cab