Was surprised to see the GWR Saint class here, had to check the date the video was made! Glad you mentioned the rebuild though, which is now completed. Lady of Legend is in one of the videos on my channel, along with 1501, which was showing as the thumbnail of this video when I clicked it.
14:00 in Jim asks "Anyone Bored Yet?"... Not me, really enjoyed that Jim. You are clearly a well researched Railway Enthusiast . Considering you're north American, impressed with your handling and presentation of UK Locomotive design. Keep up the good work.
Interesting video. I was hoping to see the Virginian class AE 2-10-10-2 featured. Initially used to ram coal trains between Elmore and Algonquin over Clark's Gap. Some lasted until the early 1950's
I was kinda hoping that the Furness Railway 21/K2 “Larger Seagull” Mixed Traffic Engine would be on this list, besides it being Edward’s inspiration, it is one of the best looking Mixed Traffic Engines I have ever seen and considering when they were built it might have inspired a hell of a lot of other classes, including City Of Truro, I mean, it’s basically a K2 with one of those blocks in front of the cab
Really enjoyed the videos, Jim. Great sense of humour (really!). My suggestion for honourable mention would be the beautiful 'Brighton Baltic' tanks - the most handsome locomotives ever to grace a British railway.
3:38 is that locomotive still around today that took big bertha 's headlight or was it scrapped like big bertha also I think the UK should build a new one of her the us should build a new fetter challenger and y6b too
35:49 the Great Eastern A55, a 3 cylinder, 0-10-0WT built in 1902 was known as "Decapod" it was always a one off. Rebuilt in 1906 as a 2 cylinder 0-8-0 tender loco but was scrapped in 1913 as a nonstandard locomotive. 36:25 The LMS Garratts where handicapped/hobbled by not having the tried and tested Bayer Peacock, roller bearing, axleboxes, on the insistence of someone from the Derby design office they were fitted with standard Midland axleboxes, which were barely adequate on the LMS 4F's amongst other problems.
(27-Nov-19) *23:07* "Thane of Phayaa" That was flawless, given that it was a thane. I was laughing so much. Edit: *39:28* Did anyone here notice the road number on the Big Boy?!
The Southern Pacific GS-8’s were Cotton Belt L-1 class 4-8-4’s that were leased by the SP at the end of steam on the SP just renumbered and reclassified to match the SP numbering and classification system. And one does still exist in the form of Cotton Belt L-1 #819 in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
Im watching this in 2020 and i must say i enjoyed part 1 and part 2 very educational (: i love trains but big boy and challenger will always be my #1 favorite steamers !! :D
22:07. A very good video! Call me crazy, but I'm actually looking at starting my own New Build project to construct a New Y6B once I gather the proper experience and know-how to do such a thing, but instead of being a replica of 2174, It will instead be the next number in the sequence, 2201.
@@Jimboliah3985 You Don't have too. However, It's a passion project of mine, and I desire to see 2201 come to be, whenever that may happen. I promise you this: I will make SURE this locomotive comes to be if it KILLS me.
@@Jimboliah3985 Hey, That's your opinion, and I will respect that. I desire to build the 2201, and I'm going to do all I can to make sure my dream becomes a reality.
At the 41:10 mark, I think you may have hit the nail on the head because a fellow RUclipsr got an O-Scale Challenger mixed up with the Big Boy while he was at the Great Train Expo about 9 years ago.
One valve gear that interests me is always been Walscharts.. But baker and Stephenson are interesting. The most iconic I know is the B2 Rotary valve gear used on the later Penn Railroad T1’s that helped against Slip
Also it would have been nice to have had fetter challenger No.3800 around since we already have two surviving challenger locomotives with those being 3977 and 3985
Ref- your comment at 11.34; there were two early classes with outside gear: four French based de Glenn compounds in 1903 & also six 0-4-0T shunters for Swansea Docks in the 20s; all of these are now scrapped. There were also nearly 100 steam rail motors with outside gear; one of these has been preserved.
I would have said the Virginians AE class 2-10-10-2s. They were an experimental locomotive design that worked well on the gently curving tracks of the Virginian railroad system. These locomotives were very rare and only lasted a short time before they were all cut up and turned into 2-10-2s. They did give me an idea to build a mallet Garrett with a 2-10-10-2+2-10-10-2 wheel arrangement. It would use the same method Mallet used as it would have a compounding system and the second and third sets of drivers would have steam linkages to the first and fourth sets to drive all four sets. It would weigh in at an estimated 810 or more tonnes and would have 60 inch drivers. Me and the rest of the NT crew have estimated it to be able to pull about 40-60000 tonnes but only at 2-6 mph. I still think that I will make it if I ever get enough money and some help. It would take around 25-30 YEARS to build though so even if I did get enough money for it then I would still age before I get to use it. In the meantime though I am currently building a model replica of this very locomotive and I will make a video on it when it is done.
Jim van der Kolk I know it's quite a crazy idea but I may do it just for the hell of it. I mean SAR (South African Railways) actually thought about making a super Garrett with a 2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2 wheel arrangement.
@@Jimboliah3985 How are the uk diesels moronic? And for the American diesel your kinda right. I’m of sure if I have any examples, but if you have any that’ll be nice.
41:23 I'm not sure if I'm correct but is this picture a picture of big boy 4023 and challenger 3985 from the 1970s or from the 50s or 40s of a random challenger and big boy that maybe or not still be around today or extinct. Tell if I'm right or wrong I'm not sure
@@Jimboliah3985 oh my bad sorry jim also you minding answer this question I posted awhile back on this video The question is : is the locomotive that has big bertha's headlight still around today? Or was it scraped like the challenger and big boy you told me about
I would like to mention the Southern Railroad's Ms-4 class 2-8-2s. As copies of the USRA heavy 2-8-2s, they were built by ALCo and Baldwin from 1923 - 1928. They were the Southern's standard freight locomotives and were used on heavy freight trains and also used on passenger runs. In 1952, the first of the Ms-4s started to fall from the Southern's active roster and by June 1953, only the Ms-4s on the Southern's Alabama Great Southern Subsidiary were left. Sadly these would also retire in 1954. Sadly none of them, not even all of the original and copy USRA heavy 2-8-2s were spared from the scrappers torch.
14:20 another Railworks Player I see, is that a repaint for the Hall or that BR Black repaint for the Riveria Line in the 1950's Grange? Or that one with which SSS supported the Grange appeal? As for Dai Woodham, shouldn't that be Saint Dai, the patron saint of Kettles and their crews? ;) *tongue firmly in cheek* ;)
Pity might be something interesting. ;) We recently got the grange as a model there, as well as the Saints. The GWR is afaik the most complete there, as we have the 57XX Paniers, the Halls, Manors, 43XX, Kings, Castles, 14XX/48XX, 72XX, 42XX-5205 the aforementioned Saitns and Granges....................and the Dean Goods! ;) :D The only thing missing is the heavy freight 2-8-0 tenders (always feels strange as a german calling them tenders, as we call the tanks tenderlok, and the tenders Schlepptenderloks), but they are in the works. The other railways are a bit less complete, when it comes to what you can do with them, but they are worked upon. German kettles are pretty rare though, us kettles it's a bit better when it comes to third party devs. Kettles have become more popular, even though they are more challenging to drive. Especially if you take one of the advanced locos, where interestingly enough the Clan started off a series of Advanced locos made by Just Trains. Rather like it, it's similar to my british favourite the Bulleid Light Pacifics, lots of power, but sometimes a bit challenging to get that on the rails. They are what introduced the Clans and a lot of british locos to me, having grown up with german kettles. SSS is Steam Sounds supreme, they started off making soundpacks for kettles, now they also do soundwork for projects by other devs.
Thanks for mentioning the Billington E2s (of which Thomas the Tank Engine is based on) :P. I have heard of a proposed project to built a new one numbered 110 from scratch.
The E2s were rubbish, dude. The only reason anyone likes them now is because of Thomas, and Thomas is definitely an embarrassment to big steam fanatics! I've even said I have outgrown Thomas a long time ago!
@@Jimboliah3985 Seeing this comment amd its replies really shock me how people put shame on others for having opinions. I'll be honest, I feel that you should be a bit more fair with Thomas & Friends rather than saying that it's an outright embarrasment to train fanatics. I'm not being like Connor here that he judged you for disliking the E2, because I respect your opinion on the show, and really, I actually agree as the show nowadays IS an embarrasment to big train fanatics all around the world(having terrible unrealistic plots and now has gone to the levels of Chuggington, literally). But I'm willing to voice my opinion that it was far from that when it was a book series. In fact, one story basically replicates the real fate of a mountain engine called L.A.T.A.S.(I'll spare you the details as I know you won't care). I'll just say that the author of the old books(Wilbert Awdry) would be beyond pissed if he saw the show nowadays. But outgrowing something means that it's something of the past, and that's something that's impossible to judge as I have outgrown from several kids shows when I became 13. But I'll get straight to thr point, you are correct in saying that the E2s were actually pretty rubbish. Again, Ill be honest with my opinion on these locomotives. I like their design, but thats really it. They are just worse versions of their future replacements, the USA Docktanks. To quote a reply to a comment in this video: "The E2 is popular for the wrong reason". And to the guy that made this original comment and judged Jim of an opinion, you are wrong in doing that. You could've said "Oh ok" but instead you said "Shame on you!" and basically could've started an argument. Its good you didn't have the guts to reply three years ago, otherwise, things could've gotten ugly(Jim, if you though tha outgrowing Thomas was the best thing that bappened, well you're right as nowadays[maybe even before RUclips existed] the fandom is just full of judgemental people, horrid drama and just toxic overall) Ok my wall is done so you can judge me now if I offended you, Jim.
@@DiegoGonzalez-cz6gu I admit, I do agree with what people have said about what the show became in the nitrogen era and bwba but the thing is I am upset with Jim disregarding the e2s and Thomas and friends because he is not giving the classic series even a tiny bit of slack.
Me too Jon. On more than one occasional, schoolboy me travelling up to Birmingham from Cheltenham had my train assisted up that steep Lickey Incline by no less a celebrity locomotive than "Big Bertha" herself. Some locomotive that.
My home town has an L&N depot. It has 2 tracks, a siding for tank cars, and an old coal tipple. We only have freight trains to go through now. Never seen a passenger train run through in my life.
Isn't the Bluebell railway building a new 4-4-2 with an existing boiler? Just like the A1 Pacific it should be steaming within a couple years. At least I hope so.
The locomotive used for the Hogwarts Express is Great Western 5972, which is actually named Olton Hall. It's a 4900 Class locomotive, commonly called a Hall, for obvious reasons. But the first hall, numbedr 4900 Saint Martin, was indeed a rebuild of a Saint, number 2925.
Another good video, thanks for producing it... One point though, Birmingham (the real one in the UK) is in Warwickshire, not Worcestershire... People have been killed for less in the UK! Also, why wasn't the UP's successful Bullmoose 2-8-8-0 on your list? I'm surprised that it didn't even get an 'honourable mention'. UK loco's that should have been preserved, but weren't include pretty much everything from the LNWR, which at one time was the biggest railway company in the world and is tragically under-represented in preservation. Once again thank's for the two videos, I look forward to seeing your future work.
As for the Bull Moose locomotives not being in the list, I felt that the Fetter Challengers were a more memorable and versatile design, and kinda critical given how they were the true predecessors to the Big Boys, while the Heavy Challengers were designed after the Big Boys, really making them earn the title of Big Boy's little brother. ;)
36:12 Actually, one SP GS-8 is still around, Cotton Belt 819. I say this because really, the GS-8s were actually SSW L-1s, half of them were transferred to SP in the early 50s.
Hey I liked the S1 yeah it was flawed but it was so cool it kind of like the lamborghini countach of steam locomotives yes its impractical and unwieldy but is fast as hell ant it oozes style
There was never an LNER P2 named Thane of Fire It was Thane of FIFE Fife is a council area and historic county of Scotland. It is situated between the Firth of Tay and the Firth of Forth,and a Thane (in Scotland) was a man, often the chief of a clan, who held land from a Scottish king and ranked with an earl's son.Apart from that I enjoyed it Jim
LNER P2s- it's Thane of FIFE, not Thane of FIRE.. 2001 (Cock o' the North and 2002 (Earl Marischal) were built as semi-streamlined Mikados. Later P2s (2003 'Lord President', 2004 'Mons Meg', 2005 'Thane of Fife' and, 2006 'Wolf of Badenoch' were fully streamlined-. they looked like 2-8-2 versions of the A4 class Pacifics such as Mallard. Good videos . Sorry we Brits broke up the Y6b. (SIGH)... We just didn't THINK...
Those Southern z class locos were very powerful. In its heyday in the sixties hoo junction had a z class and 2 c class tanks to process the 2000 odd wagons that passed through. I was born not 3 miles away from said Junction yards and cut my spotting teeth there in the early 80s.
I am waiting for the Z class to be realeased in model form. They built 10 and other less numerous classes are already represented. I remember seeing one as a kid. Very powerful loco
One Z class nearly made it into preservation. It was intended to be saved by the bluebell railway. Sadly the Bluebell Railway were too late to save it and sadly, it was broken up for scrap. The engine in question was SR 952 (tops number 30952)
From the point of view of a pure steam lover, yes! But from the point of reliability, good power to weight ratio and cost effectiveness there were/are a handfull of sucsesfull British diesels, the class 20, 37 and 55 (Deltics) all English Eelctric products, and the class 33 with a Sulzer engine. A bit more costly on the maintenance side but a very good power to weight ratio had all Maybach powered Western region hydraulics (Hymek, Warship and Western), they had much to short lives due to the decision of the BR management, our Hymek at the East Lancs rwy gives us very reliable service, with much less defects and failures than a 50 or 47. And lets be realistic, the Dutch weren't that good at designing diesels either, the only diesel serie ever designed and built in the Netherlands (other classes were all imports), the class2600 "Beel" were a complete disaster, comparable with the UK's worst design, the class 28 CoBo (but i'm involved in rebuilding that one anyway. LOL)
On the Southern K class (number 4), after the derailment, the Southern asked Sir Nigel Gresley to give them a look over and one example ran on LNER tracks where it failed to show any instability until it reached very high speed (70 or 80 mph if I remember correctly) and started to roll though not alarmingly. Gresley handed the locomotive back to the Southern and suggested poor track was to blame for the K's rolling ride not the locomotives themselves. This obviously didn't go down well with the Southern's chief civil engineer who was responsible for the permanent way (the tracks) who flatly banned them from running and forcing the rebuild into the U class tender engines.
Not immature @@sockshandle but certainly touchy especially as it was his professional integrity that was being called into question and by a CME from a different Railway company (though Gresley was probably a lot more diplomatic about it than I've written here).
I have models of both in HO, the Big Boy is by Trix and the Challenger is by MTH Trains. I thought the difference was down to them coming from different manufacturers but thanks to this video I see that the Challenger is probably modeled after the later batch.
Just to acquaint you folks with our geography, not to correct you understand but hopefully to interest you. Birmingham is England’s 2nd. largest city in the centre of the country and was for centuries in the County of Warwickshire. In 1974, it became absorbed into the West Midlands Metropolitan Authority. The Lickey Incline is between Bromsgrove and Blackwell to the south-west of Birmingham and in the County of Worcester (pronounced Wooster) or Worcestershire (Wooster-sheer). It remains in that county beyond that area which was taken over by the West Midlands Metropolitan Authority. Bear in mind, our counties are impossibly small compared to yours. If you started driving in any direction from anywhere here you would cross the county line within 50 miles and reach the sea within half a dozen counties!
Very good narration in English for a Dutchie, the accent lying somewhere between a British and American accent makes it good understandable for anyone speaking (some) English, also like the jokes in between, and the right terms used for both sides of the pond, altough there was one small mistake, in the case of British locomotives their numbers are refered to as running numbers, not road numbers. I would have had seen the Niagara above the River class, as the Niagara did so much for achieving maximum cost effectiveness from a steam locomotive, which was higher than any diesel, according to a comparision trial done by NYC itself. They were also the best looking American 4-8-4 with their sleek lines My favorite for an extinct British loco class would be the CR Dunalastair ( any of the I, II, III or IVth variant), because they achieved great performance for such a small locomotive (they were 4-4-0's)
The 2900 class at 7:21 is the best looking steam engine ever IMO. And try to think of a better name for a high-stepping Edwardian express loco than "Lady Disdain", I dare you.
I actually like the A2/2s. Plus, the Southern Pacific GS-8's are technically the final batch of L1 locomotives built by the Cotton Belt, and 819 was apart of the final batch, so...
CONTIUATION- FS,[Italy],Plancher Compound locomotives,used on that system,as well as other Italian based lines! There were drawings of those engines in the Midland Railway design offices,in Derby! Surprise,surprise,that one overlooked factor,and the other questions are why didn't the Midland multiply more of these engines,as that would have greatly speeded up the Lickey Bank! As an aside,the Santa Fe,pioneered the 2-10-2,so why didn't the Midland take that hint! More questions no real answers! Thank you for the insight and opinions,they do stir the brain cells! THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT 👍 👌!
My picks of Extinct Steam Locomotives: Milwaukee Road Class A 4-4-2s and Class F7 4-6-4s Virginian Railways 2-6-6-6s "Blue Ridges" Union Pacific Streamlined Locomotives (#7002 a 4-8-2) and (#2906 a 4-6-2) New Haven I-5 4-6-4s All US Steam Turbines for PRR, Union Pacific, C&O and N&W
This was a UK and US list, remember? And I wouldn't really pick the Virginian's Blue Ridges, as they were just slightly lighter Alleghenies. And there are 2 of them still left.
Wow, I didn't think anyone could think less of Pennsy's relentless pursuit of a decent duplex than I did, but I think you are there. I guess you didn't include the Milwaukee's F-7 4-6-4 Baltics because they probably did best Mallard's record in service, but the Milwaukee did not want what they felt would be the unwanted perception that it was unsafe. In any event, they surely could have bested it, especially with a Mallard weight consist. They should have been # 1. There were no SP GS-8s, but the GS-5s are decent selections. They were essentially GS-4s with roller bearings. The GS-6s went back to smaller drivers for more freight orientation. While the Virginian Triplex was not successful, their Class AE 2-10-10-2 engines were very successful for a long time in drag service. The Norfolk and Western's K2 and K2a Mountain Classes are worthy of honorable mention as well.
As of April 5, 2019 The Saint class is no longer extinct as GWR 2999 Lady of Legend is now officially under steam at Didcot.
It’s Mainly Hall
@@Jaymehkook Yes, but she is no longer a Hall class.
Was surprised to see the GWR Saint class here, had to check the date the video was made! Glad you mentioned the rebuild though, which is now completed.
Lady of Legend is in one of the videos on my channel, along with 1501, which was showing as the thumbnail of this video when I clicked it.
Bloody enjoyed these two vids a lot! thanks Jim. One thing, the GWR 460 counties had boiler pressure of 280 pounds per square inch when first built.
14:00 in Jim asks "Anyone Bored Yet?"... Not me, really enjoyed that Jim. You are clearly a well researched Railway Enthusiast . Considering you're north American, impressed with your handling and presentation of UK Locomotive design. Keep up the good work.
T-1 Texas type 3020 was involved with a boiler explosion in may of 1948
Interesting video. I was hoping to see the Virginian class AE 2-10-10-2 featured. Initially used to ram coal trains between Elmore and Algonquin over Clark's Gap. Some lasted until the early 1950's
What about the Southern Pacific’s gs2s gs3s, and gs5s ?
I was kinda hoping that the Furness Railway 21/K2 “Larger Seagull” Mixed Traffic Engine would be on this list, besides it being Edward’s inspiration, it is one of the best looking Mixed Traffic Engines I have ever seen and considering when they were built it might have inspired a hell of a lot of other classes, including City Of Truro, I mean, it’s basically a K2 with one of those blocks in front of the cab
If Lionel makes a Vision Line model of a y6b I would totally buy it.
I think anyone who likes big mallets would buy it
Wait, wait, wait, Stop right there! They say there is one still left of the J1a's left number 6435.
Really enjoyed the videos, Jim. Great sense of humour (really!). My suggestion for honourable mention would be the beautiful 'Brighton Baltic' tanks - the most handsome locomotives ever to grace a British railway.
I'd rather have an A4 or a Coronation. Or a King.
@@Jimboliah3985 Is the RIGHT answer. Top choices. My three favourites just a tad behind my all time favourite... Big Bertha herself.
3:38 is that locomotive still around today that took big bertha 's headlight or was it scrapped like big bertha also I think the UK should build a new one of her the us should build a new fetter challenger and y6b too
35:49 the Great Eastern A55, a 3 cylinder, 0-10-0WT built in 1902 was known as "Decapod" it was always a one off. Rebuilt in 1906 as a 2 cylinder 0-8-0 tender loco but was scrapped in 1913 as a nonstandard locomotive.
36:25 The LMS Garratts where handicapped/hobbled by not having the tried and tested Bayer Peacock, roller bearing, axleboxes, on the insistence of someone from the Derby design office they were fitted with standard Midland axleboxes, which were barely adequate on the LMS 4F's amongst other problems.
I think you sounded almost a bit like Scrooge McDuck when you tried to do that Scottish accent when you were talking about the LNER P2s.
Anyone heard of the LBSC L class?
Lovely looking engines, built in the UK for suburban passenger service I think
These two videos have been brilliant, well done lad very nicely done 😊 subbed.
(27-Nov-19)
*23:07* "Thane of Phayaa"
That was flawless, given that it was a thane. I was laughing so much.
Edit: *39:28* Did anyone here notice the road number on the Big Boy?!
I did
You also gave me a great idea! And great extinct steam engines video by the way.
The Southern Pacific GS-8’s were Cotton Belt L-1 class 4-8-4’s that were leased by the SP at the end of steam on the SP just renumbered and reclassified to match the SP numbering and classification system. And one does still exist in the form of Cotton Belt L-1 #819 in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
GWR 2900 Saint class 2999 Lady of Legend is completed.
First: That name is a meme if I've ever seen one.
Second: THANK THE HEAVENS!!!
Im watching this in 2020 and i must say i enjoyed part 1 and part 2 very educational (: i love trains but big boy and challenger will always be my #1 favorite steamers !! :D
22:07. A very good video! Call me crazy, but I'm actually looking at starting my own New Build project to construct a New Y6B once I gather the proper experience and know-how to do such a thing, but instead of being a replica of 2174, It will instead be the next number in the sequence, 2201.
I know that already, and I don't support the construction of the 2201.
@@Jimboliah3985 You Don't have too. However, It's a passion project of mine, and I desire to see 2201 come to be, whenever that may happen. I promise you this: I will make SURE this locomotive comes to be if it KILLS me.
I'm the same guy who said you shouldn't overstep the 2200.
@@Jimboliah3985 Hey, That's your opinion, and I will respect that. I desire to build the 2201, and I'm going to do all I can to make sure my dream becomes a reality.
It’s sad to see the magnificent locomotives be withdrawn scrapped and cut up
Agreed
I agree with you on the Fetter Challengers. I've always had a fascination with those. :)
Well, good news: Somebody is trying to build a new one in full size! :D
Really?! AWESOME!!!! :D
Really was hoping someone would finally do the B&M Berks, good video anyhow
Looked them up and then I remember how ugly they were... So no thanks... : /
Jim van der Kolk then you haven’t seen the Southern Pacific Berkshires, they’re the worst looking Berkshires
They were exactly the same.
Jim van der Kolk oh right b&m sold off there 2-8-4’s to sp & I think Santa Fe? & didn’t SF have there own Berkshires?
Well the polar express came from its maker Lima and then pere marquette
At the 41:10 mark, I think you may have hit the nail on the head because a fellow RUclipsr got an O-Scale Challenger mixed up with the Big Boy while he was at the Great Train Expo about 9 years ago.
The Granges were remarkably free running, more free than the Halls, who were no slouches in the free running department.
One valve gear that interests me is always been Walscharts..
But baker and Stephenson are interesting.
The most iconic I know is the B2 Rotary valve gear used on the later Penn Railroad T1’s that helped against Slip
Can you tackle Extinct Australian steam locos next? that'd be something I'd like to see
You Know Cotton Belt 819 Is A Rebuilt GS-8,Right!?!
I suggest you talk about the GWR 4700 Class some more and the NYC Locomotives.
4700s aren’t extinct as one is being built
@@cheyvengeance5432 Seriously?
FeatherWings78 yes it’s being built by the Great western society but off site at Llangollen
What about the LB&SCr Class E2s?
Personally, I think you should of included the New Haven Railroad's I-4 4-6-2, and I-5 4-6-4. If only they would built a new I-5.
Also it would have been nice to have had fetter challenger No.3800 around since we already have two surviving challenger locomotives with those being 3977 and 3985
Ref- your comment at 11.34; there were two early classes with outside gear: four French based de Glenn compounds in 1903 & also six 0-4-0T shunters for Swansea Docks in the 20s; all of these are now scrapped. There were also nearly 100 steam rail motors with outside gear; one of these has been preserved.
I don't cover French locomotives.
I would have said the Virginians AE class 2-10-10-2s. They were an experimental locomotive design that worked well on the gently curving tracks of the Virginian railroad system. These locomotives were very rare and only lasted a short time before they were all cut up and turned into 2-10-2s. They did give me an idea to build a mallet Garrett with a 2-10-10-2+2-10-10-2 wheel arrangement. It would use the same method Mallet used as it would have a compounding system and the second and third sets of drivers would have steam linkages to the first and fourth sets to drive all four sets. It would weigh in at an estimated 810 or more tonnes and would have 60 inch drivers. Me and the rest of the NT crew have estimated it to be able to pull about 40-60000 tonnes but only at 2-6 mph. I still think that I will make it if I ever get enough money and some help. It would take around 25-30 YEARS to build though so even if I did get enough money for it then I would still age before I get to use it. In the meantime though I am currently building a model replica of this very locomotive and I will make a video on it when it is done.
... That's ridiculous. I have no words to describe how stupid and unplausible I think your project for that Super-Garrett is... It's just TOO BIG...
Jim van der Kolk I know it's quite a crazy idea but I may do it just for the hell of it. I mean SAR (South African Railways) actually thought about making a super Garrett with a 2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2 wheel arrangement.
Great list! The only one you missed, in my opinion, was the Milwaukee road A class
And more interesting train in part 2 as well. You should try doing so diesels from U.K. & us!
No.
I don't like diesels from the UK because they look so moronic to me. And most US diesels are the same to me.
@@Jimboliah3985 How are the uk diesels moronic? And for the American diesel your kinda right. I’m of sure if I have any examples, but if you have any that’ll be nice.
41:23 I'm not sure if I'm correct but is this picture a picture of big boy 4023 and challenger 3985 from the 1970s or from the 50s or 40s of a random challenger and big boy that maybe or not still be around today or extinct. Tell if I'm right or wrong I'm not sure
No. That's 4009 and 3940 in a scene from Last of the Giants. Neither are preserved.
@@Jimboliah3985 oh my bad sorry jim also you minding answer this question I posted awhile back on this video
The question is : is the locomotive that has big bertha's headlight still around today? Or was it scraped like the challenger and big boy you told me about
great to see so many svr locomotives on this video, I'm a volunteer there!
Wasn't the intention, really.
I would like to mention the Southern Railroad's Ms-4 class 2-8-2s. As copies of the USRA heavy 2-8-2s, they were built by ALCo and Baldwin from 1923 - 1928. They were the Southern's standard freight locomotives and were used on heavy freight trains and also used on passenger runs. In 1952, the first of the Ms-4s started to fall from the Southern's active roster and by June 1953, only the Ms-4s on the Southern's Alabama Great Southern Subsidiary were left. Sadly these would also retire in 1954. Sadly none of them, not even all of the original and copy USRA heavy 2-8-2s were spared from the scrappers torch.
10:36 is that Henry?
No.
Jim van der Kolk aright because that dose look like his model used in ttte
Extrime Land Henry's Class Is Still Around.
14:20 another Railworks Player I see, is that a repaint for the Hall or that BR Black repaint for the Riveria Line in the 1950's Grange?
Or that one with which SSS supported the Grange appeal?
As for Dai Woodham, shouldn't that be Saint Dai, the patron saint of Kettles and their crews? ;) *tongue firmly in cheek* ;)
I don't play Railworks. I just found that image online.
Pity might be something interesting. ;) We recently got the grange as a model there, as well as the Saints.
The GWR is afaik the most complete there, as we have the 57XX Paniers, the Halls, Manors, 43XX, Kings, Castles, 14XX/48XX, 72XX, 42XX-5205 the aforementioned Saitns and Granges....................and the Dean Goods! ;) :D
The only thing missing is the heavy freight 2-8-0 tenders (always feels strange as a german calling them tenders, as we call the tanks tenderlok, and the tenders Schlepptenderloks), but they are in the works.
The other railways are a bit less complete, when it comes to what you can do with them, but they are worked upon.
German kettles are pretty rare though, us kettles it's a bit better when it comes to third party devs.
Kettles have become more popular, even though they are more challenging to drive.
Especially if you take one of the advanced locos, where interestingly enough the Clan started off a series of Advanced locos made by Just Trains. Rather like it, it's similar to my british favourite the Bulleid Light Pacifics, lots of power, but sometimes a bit challenging to get that on the rails.
They are what introduced the Clans and a lot of british locos to me, having grown up with german kettles.
SSS is Steam Sounds supreme, they started off making soundpacks for kettles, now they also do soundwork for projects by other devs.
Your Scotch (that'll annoy them) accent is better than mine and I live dangerously close to the border... About 200 miles which is close enough 😀
I thought the SP GS-8 was a reclassing of the Cotton Belt L-1's, of which #819 still exists.
Thanks for mentioning the Billington E2s (of which Thomas the Tank Engine is based on) :P. I have heard of a proposed project to built a new one numbered 110 from scratch.
I didn't mention the E2s, because I don't like them.
The E2s were rubbish, dude. The only reason anyone likes them now is because of Thomas, and Thomas is definitely an embarrassment to big steam fanatics!
I've even said I have outgrown Thomas a long time ago!
Don't have the guts to say anything back?
@@Jimboliah3985
Seeing this comment amd its replies really shock me how people put shame on others for having opinions.
I'll be honest, I feel that you should be a bit more fair with Thomas & Friends rather than saying that it's an outright embarrasment to train fanatics.
I'm not being like Connor here that he judged you for disliking the E2, because I respect your opinion on the show, and really, I actually agree as the show nowadays IS an embarrasment to big train fanatics all around the world(having terrible unrealistic plots and now has gone to the levels of Chuggington, literally). But I'm willing to voice my opinion that it was far from that when it was a book series. In fact, one story basically replicates the real fate of a mountain engine called L.A.T.A.S.(I'll spare you the details as I know you won't care). I'll just say that the author of the old books(Wilbert Awdry) would be beyond pissed if he saw the show nowadays.
But outgrowing something means that it's something of the past, and that's something that's impossible to judge as I have outgrown from several kids shows when I became 13.
But I'll get straight to thr point, you are correct in saying that the E2s were actually pretty rubbish. Again, Ill be honest with my opinion on these locomotives. I like their design, but thats really it. They are just worse versions of their future replacements, the USA Docktanks. To quote a reply to a comment in this video:
"The E2 is popular for the wrong reason".
And to the guy that made this original comment and judged Jim of an opinion, you are wrong in doing that. You could've said "Oh ok" but instead you said "Shame on you!" and basically could've started an argument. Its good you didn't have the guts to reply three years ago, otherwise, things could've gotten ugly(Jim, if you though tha outgrowing Thomas was the best thing that bappened, well you're right as nowadays[maybe even before RUclips existed] the fandom is just full of judgemental people, horrid drama and just toxic overall)
Ok my wall is done so you can judge me now if I offended you, Jim.
@@DiegoGonzalez-cz6gu I admit, I do agree with what people have said about what the show became in the nitrogen era and bwba but the thing is I am upset with Jim disregarding the e2s and Thomas and friends because he is not giving the classic series even a tiny bit of slack.
This is a great video
Love this
. Am of an age to have experienced all of the UK Locos
Admire your choices!!!
Me too Jon. On more than one occasional, schoolboy me travelling up to Birmingham from Cheltenham had my train assisted up that steep Lickey Incline by no less a celebrity locomotive than "Big Bertha" herself. Some locomotive that.
I love your videos so addicting
Hey you got to give Thompson credit for keeping most of the P2 parts
Are there actually plans for there to be a replica of n&w y6b 2174 in the not to distant future?
My home town has an L&N depot. It has 2 tracks, a siding for tank cars, and an old coal tipple. We only have freight trains to go through now. Never seen a passenger train run through in my life.
What’s the name of the music you used in the video?
thanks a lot.Very informative.All the best
Thank you for enjoying. :)
0:06 funny story on big bertha there was a lucky Luke episode called a cannon for the Dalton's and the cannon was name big Bertha
What was from T&F Edward's type?? It was from Furness Railway, but I can't remember the class.
Timo Ilonen FR K2
Appreciated the work. Would have liked to see the ATSF 2-10-10-2 included. Massive, but unsuccessful experiment
I'm not going to lie I didn't expect this Kind of video form you but that doesn't mean these are bad good job mate 🙂
Yeah, steam locomotives are my biggest childhood hobby. Heck, I liked them before I was introduced to Transformers. :P
2:18 so what power class is that commonly in
3
4
5
6
7
Daniel Sturino Power Class 9
The L&Y Class 8 Dreadnoughts?
N&W planned to build a y7 but it only made it to the blue print phase but never saw construction physically
Isn't the Bluebell railway building a new 4-4-2 with an existing boiler? Just like the A1 Pacific it should be steaming within a couple years. At least I hope so.
I agree with you about building a new Fetter Challenger?
Which 4-6-0 ten wheeler is the hogwarts express built after I thought it was based off of the saints at least looks but I could be wrong
The locomotive used for the Hogwarts Express is Great Western 5972, which is actually named Olton Hall. It's a 4900 Class locomotive, commonly called a Hall, for obvious reasons. But the first hall, numbedr 4900 Saint Martin, was indeed a rebuild of a Saint, number 2925.
Jim van der Kolk good to know my cousin is really into Harry Potter so that's why I was asking and btw I really like your challenger locomotive
Another good video, thanks for producing it... One point though, Birmingham (the real one in the UK) is in Warwickshire, not Worcestershire... People have been killed for less in the UK!
Also, why wasn't the UP's successful Bullmoose 2-8-8-0 on your list? I'm surprised that it didn't even get an 'honourable mention'. UK loco's that should have been preserved, but weren't include pretty much everything from the LNWR, which at one time was the biggest railway company in the world and is tragically under-represented in preservation.
Once again thank's for the two videos, I look forward to seeing your future work.
As for the Bull Moose locomotives not being in the list, I felt that the Fetter Challengers were a more memorable and versatile design, and kinda critical given how they were the true predecessors to the Big Boys, while the Heavy Challengers were designed after the Big Boys, really making them earn the title of Big Boy's little brother. ;)
what about the LNER J50????
36:12 Actually, one SP GS-8 is still around, Cotton Belt 819. I say this because really, the GS-8s were actually SSW L-1s, half of them were transferred to SP in the early 50s.
Hey I liked the S1 yeah it was flawed but it was so cool it kind of like the lamborghini countach of steam locomotives yes its impractical and unwieldy but is fast as hell ant it oozes style
Hurricane Furia Yeah didn’t it hit 176 mph ??????
There was never an LNER P2 named Thane of Fire It was Thane of FIFE Fife is a council area and historic county of Scotland. It is situated between the Firth of Tay and the Firth of Forth,and a Thane (in Scotland) was a man, often the chief of a clan, who held land from a Scottish king and ranked with an earl's son.Apart from that I enjoyed it Jim
Misread it. :|
US steam was ahead of the UK in so many ways... and I speak as a Brit. The GW Counties were obsolete from new (internal valve gear)
LNER P2s- it's Thane of FIFE, not Thane of FIRE.. 2001 (Cock o' the North and 2002 (Earl Marischal) were built as semi-streamlined Mikados. Later P2s (2003 'Lord President', 2004 'Mons Meg', 2005 'Thane of Fife' and, 2006 'Wolf of Badenoch' were fully streamlined-. they looked like 2-8-2 versions of the A4 class Pacifics such as Mallard. Good videos . Sorry we Brits broke up the Y6b. (SIGH)... We just didn't THINK...
Several others already beat you to it. But thanks anyway.
I enjoyed this video thank you.
My recomend for one you missed
Southern railway Z class tank locos
Here is another possibility (but one still exists): Union Pacific 4-12-2 "Union Pacific" types, even though I like to call them "Unionizers".
Those Southern z class locos were very powerful. In its heyday in the sixties hoo junction had a z class and 2 c class tanks to process the 2000 odd wagons that passed through. I was born not 3 miles away from said Junction yards and cut my spotting teeth there in the early 80s.
I am waiting for the Z class to be realeased in model form. They built 10 and other less numerous classes are already represented. I remember seeing one as a kid. Very powerful loco
The SR Z Class deserves a new-build project (if it isn’t too expensive) as they were the only steam shutters built by the SR.
One Z class nearly made it into preservation. It was intended to be saved by the bluebell railway. Sadly the Bluebell Railway were too late to save it and sadly, it was broken up for scrap. The engine in question was SR 952 (tops number 30952)
The SR Z Class deserves a new-build project (if it isn’t too expensive) as they were the only steam shutters built by the SR.
U should do the worst top 20 UK and US steam locomotives. Just a suggestion.
Was planning on a Top 5... :P
What about favorite locomotives in movies?
The worst top ten of British diesels would be very easy....
Everything. :P
From the point of view of a pure steam lover, yes!
But from the point of reliability, good power to weight ratio and cost effectiveness there were/are a handfull of sucsesfull British diesels, the class 20, 37 and 55 (Deltics) all English Eelctric products, and the class 33 with a Sulzer engine.
A bit more costly on the maintenance side but a very good power to weight ratio had all Maybach powered Western region hydraulics (Hymek, Warship and Western), they had much to short lives due to the decision of the BR management, our Hymek at the East Lancs rwy gives us very reliable service, with much less defects and failures than a 50 or 47.
And lets be realistic, the Dutch weren't that good at designing diesels either, the only diesel serie ever designed and built in the Netherlands (other classes were all imports), the class2600 "Beel" were a complete disaster, comparable with the UK's worst design, the class 28 CoBo (but i'm involved in rebuilding that one anyway. LOL)
23:06 [insert flame thrower]
It was actually called Thane of Fife.
On the Southern K class (number 4), after the derailment, the Southern asked Sir Nigel Gresley to give them a look over and one example ran on LNER tracks where it failed to show any instability until it reached very high speed (70 or 80 mph if I remember correctly) and started to roll though not alarmingly. Gresley handed the locomotive back to the Southern and suggested poor track was to blame for the K's rolling ride not the locomotives themselves. This obviously didn't go down well with the Southern's chief civil engineer who was responsible for the permanent way (the tracks) who flatly banned them from running and forcing the rebuild into the U class tender engines.
So the southerns chief civil engineer was a bit immature? cause If I were him I would make sure tracks were up to snuff with standards then disprove
Not immature @@sockshandle but certainly touchy especially as it was his professional integrity that was being called into question and by a CME from a different Railway company (though Gresley was probably a lot more diplomatic about it than I've written here).
I think if the A2/2 had smoke deflector like the other Thomson Pacific it would help to improve looks a lifting smoke
The LNER Mikado No 2005 was not named Thane of Fire.
It was named Thane of Fife after Lord Macduff, the character in William Shakespeare's Macbeth.
What about LMS and LNER garrets
Have you watched part 1?
Sorry to be picky, but Birmimgham England was in Warwickshire, not Worcestershire
Is it me or does the Heavy challengers look slightly taller than a Big Boy?
I have models of both in HO, the Big Boy is by Trix and the Challenger is by MTH Trains. I thought the difference was down to them coming from different manufacturers but thanks to this video I see that the Challenger is probably modeled after the later batch.
The 2190 excursion is in Pocahontas Glory Volume 8 and the 2714 excursion is in Pocahontas Glory Volume 5.
Just to acquaint you folks with our geography, not to correct you understand but hopefully to interest you.
Birmingham is England’s 2nd. largest city in the centre of the country and was for centuries in the County of Warwickshire. In 1974, it became absorbed into the West Midlands Metropolitan Authority.
The Lickey Incline is between Bromsgrove and Blackwell to the south-west of Birmingham and in the County of Worcester (pronounced Wooster) or Worcestershire (Wooster-sheer). It remains in that county beyond that area which was taken over by the West Midlands Metropolitan Authority.
Bear in mind, our counties are impossibly small compared to yours. If you started driving in any direction from anywhere here you would cross the county line within 50 miles and reach the sea within half a dozen counties!
You mean the E4 class Hudson for Chicago & Northwestern Railroad, don’t you? What about the F7 Hudson for the Chicago Milwaukee St Paul and Pacific?
I didn't.
Very good narration in English for a Dutchie, the accent lying somewhere between a British and American accent makes it good understandable for anyone speaking (some) English, also like the jokes in between, and the right terms used for both sides of the pond, altough there was one small mistake, in the case of British locomotives their numbers are refered to as running numbers, not road numbers.
I would have had seen the Niagara above the River class, as the Niagara did so much for achieving maximum cost effectiveness from a steam locomotive, which was higher than any diesel, according to a comparision trial done by NYC itself. They were also the best looking American 4-8-4 with their sleek lines
My favorite for an extinct British loco class would be the CR Dunalastair ( any of the I, II, III or IVth variant), because they achieved great performance for such a small locomotive (they were 4-4-0's)
The big boys were 4-8-8-4's while challengers were 4-6-6-4's. P.S. I also expected the LBSCR E2 as well.
Firstly: You don't say!?
Secondly: I didn't pick the E2s because they sucked.
Well the one with the new running number 110 won't suck at all.
They did back then.
The 2900 class at 7:21 is the best looking steam engine ever IMO. And try to think of a better name for a high-stepping Edwardian express loco than "Lady Disdain", I dare you.
I actually like the A2/2s. Plus, the Southern Pacific GS-8's are technically the final batch of L1 locomotives built by the Cotton Belt, and 819 was apart of the final batch, so...
The MR's Big Bertha was a 4-cyl simple locomotive, employing only two valves.
There actually does survive a PRR J1 boiler, although buried underneath mud
How about the 2-6-6-6 Allegheny?
There are 2 left. And as for you not liking the Family Guy clips, that's part of the comedy I go for.
The Claude Hamilton's were a Great Eastern locomotive named after the chairman of GER at the time.
CONTIUATION- FS,[Italy],Plancher Compound locomotives,used on that system,as well as other Italian based lines! There were drawings of those engines in the Midland Railway design offices,in Derby! Surprise,surprise,that one overlooked factor,and the other questions are why didn't the Midland multiply more of these engines,as that would have greatly speeded up the Lickey Bank! As an aside,the Santa Fe,pioneered the 2-10-2,so why didn't the Midland take that hint! More questions no real answers! Thank you for the insight and opinions,they do stir the brain cells! THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT 👍 👌!
My picks of Extinct Steam Locomotives:
Milwaukee Road Class A 4-4-2s and Class F7 4-6-4s
Virginian Railways 2-6-6-6s "Blue Ridges"
Union Pacific Streamlined Locomotives (#7002 a 4-8-2) and (#2906 a 4-6-2)
New Haven I-5 4-6-4s
All US Steam Turbines for PRR, Union Pacific, C&O and N&W
This was a UK and US list, remember?
And I wouldn't really pick the Virginian's Blue Ridges, as they were just slightly lighter Alleghenies. And there are 2 of them still left.
Was Thomas a Jinty or a Pannier?
He was based on the relatively horrid E2s from the LB&SC.
NostalgiaKarl K.F. An LBSCR E2
I believe that Union Pacific has a4 in-8-2 in their steam collection at Cheyenne Wyoming,but I might be wrong on that.
Wow, I didn't think anyone could think less of Pennsy's relentless pursuit of a decent duplex than I did, but I think you are there.
I guess you didn't include the Milwaukee's F-7 4-6-4 Baltics because they probably did best Mallard's record in service, but the Milwaukee did not want what they felt would be the unwanted perception that it was unsafe. In any event, they surely could have bested it, especially with a Mallard weight consist. They should have been # 1.
There were no SP GS-8s, but the GS-5s are decent selections. They were essentially GS-4s with roller bearings. The GS-6s went back to smaller drivers for more freight orientation.
While the Virginian Triplex was not successful, their Class AE 2-10-10-2 engines were very successful for a long time in drag service.
The Norfolk and Western's K2 and K2a Mountain Classes are worthy of honorable mention as well.
4-6-4s were actually called, "hudsons"
Marco Lopena - 4-6-4's were called Hudsons in the USA and Baltics in the rest of the world.
What about the CN 6400's?
Eh, not really into Canadian locomotives... Sorry... :/
Jim van der Kolk oh its okay. I'll maybe just make my own list.
Uhh Canadian National 6400 survived
PineappleTurddle it did?! Rail Innovations lied to me...
only CN engines I like are 3254, 2317, the Royal Hudson's and the Jubilee's.
what about the class 28 steam locomotive in the uk
What? You mean the Great Western 2800s? There's 15 of them left...
Jim van der Kolk oh