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Amen, this is similar to my conversion, born in darkness(resentment anger hate jealousy ignorance violence abuse neglect)my blessing came when i was 40yrs old living by my own understanding (hardship)thinking I was on my own(suffering), long story short single mum for 15yrs, 2 young adults now, chose to be carer of my sickly parent's believing I loved and forgiven them, oh my,..the lord showed I did Not😔 the first year was like I was dying anxiety high memories flooding back, left job with 30k debt anyway my luggage was getting heavy, I was use to Heavy being a single mum, But this🤯lucky with the help of a cousin who became a Christian in my ear alot,...one day in my struggle a bill came in knowing I had just lost 200 a week child support daughter turned 18...something came over me like I was having mean panic attack never experienced before...and something made me say Jesus's Name and it was weak my faith was not strong I just called His name😭 🥲at that moment it was like water being poured on my head😭and all my worries and anxiety was gone in a instant...I was so shocked as I sort other help with this problem and those only helped abit,. From that moment I had peace everything I thought I knew just fell away, ...and it was like my eyes were wide open and all wanted to do is know Jesus who He was and IS..,So glad my cousin gave me a bible I started reading researching and on my journey of Salvation 😭😭😭🥲❤🕊🕊🕊✝️🕊🕊🕊4years later I'm so grateful He loves a wretched soul like me🙂🕊✝️🙌
Thank you Dr. for this deeper context of Jesus’ conversation with Nicodemus. I’m sure it deeply impacted Nicodemus when on the day of Pentecost Peter told the crowd to repent and be baptized after they asked “What shall we do?” He had just informed them they had killed the Messiah. Their question indicates they “believed” both their sin and their acceptance/confession of Jesus’ identity. Those mass baptisms on that day had a profound effect on the whole city and Judaea. I also find it interesting that every conversion in Acts involves water baptism. Paul says Israel was baptized into Moses at the Red Sea(I Cor. 10), and he also says we are baptized into Christ thus becoming His spiritual seed (Galatians 3:27). How wonderful!
@@MrEmeralddogThe thief was still under the old covenant. Jesus had not yet been resurrected and the Holy Spirit had not been poured out/given to dwell individual believers. Jesus had authority on earth to forgive sins (Luke 5:24).
John 3:5 says we must be born of water AND the Spirit to enter the kingdom. If being born of water is Israeli ethnicity, then how can Gentiles be born of water? How can Gentiles enter the kingdom? The parallel verse given immediately after this verse is, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" The parallelism strongly suggests that the water refers to flesh. Also, this is Jesus responding to the misunderstanding of Nicodemus' thinking that "born again" is referring to a re-birth of flesh by reentering his mother's womb. So the context of the immediate answer involves a birth of flesh. I think that in this case, context is king.
@@cbailey1978 Chris, I really doesn't matter WHAT you find odd. What "Born of water and of spirit" means in John 3:5 is blindingly clear in context in the very next verse. Here is the whole thought: John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Jesus could NOT be clearer. In verse 6 Jesus explains that "born of water" means a fleshly biirth as Nicidemus clearly understood in verse 4 as being born of a woman's womb. AND amazingly "born of Spirit" means, wait for it, born of Spirit. There is NO reference to baptism, NO reference to the Red Sea. YOU may think it fits. Heiser may think it fits but Jesus does not. Yes, Jesus is saying that in order to be saved you DO first have to exist, that is be naturally born, and "be born agai" by being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Jesus then procedes to tell Nic HOW to be "Born of the Spirit" by believing on HIM. John 3:16
@@cbailey1978 Chris, your stupidity is uncalled for. You expressed a "view", an incredibly stupid and wrong view Just like Heiser did on one of the simplest passages of scripture and I called you out on that stupidity. Rather I let Jesus call you out in his own words. Why don't you call Jesus condescending. He certainly was condescending with Nicodemous' similarly deliberately glib and stupid remark. The fact that other stupid people hold your stupid view does not change anything. I expressed Jesus' view of the passage. Exactly why is Jesus' view condescending? Is it my job to stroke your poor wounded ego which probably gets deflated a whole lot? When you are wrong, which I would guess is frequently, do you not want to be corrected or do you like being wrong? Now thsi post you can call condescending. Just so you know what condesceending sounds like. The other one was straight facts.
@@cbailey1978 Jesus said," That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Jesus is simply using a parallelism to the birth of flesh. The requirement is to be born AGAIN. The thief on the cross was not baptized. Yet he was/is with Christ in Paradise. There is not a requirement of water baptism for salvation. Given the opportunity, we should obey and be baptized. But it's not a requirement for entering the kingdom.
@@sonnybrown4758 so you understand the lamb of the Exodus was the beginning of the journey, and all the enemies of the Hebrews while wandering in the wilderness represent our spiritual enemies, and their little faith at the beginning….and how at the end of your journey you should have the faith if Joshua?
The Lord's plan moves in a straight line: from Glory to Glory to Glory to Glory.......Jesus was using theological ideas to help Nicodemus to understand where He and His Father were going, moving forward into a place distinctly beyond the rituals and flesh of the previous season. Now those rituals and journeys serve as an Anchor point, like a plumb on a plumb line, for understanding the work of the Spirit, the point of reference on the plumb line, in this age and how to co-labor with Him for his purpose. This particular video is one of your most important explanations. Well done.
Thank you Michael. The body of Christ needs you and your calm revelatory teaching. You may become very popular and the temptation might be to bring deep, provocative messages as time goes on. Please stay the course and avoid the demands of those with "itching ears" to bring them something new. We need you and your sound Biblical deliveries. Thanks again.
The exodus was not the "re-birth" of the nation of Israel, the exodus was the "redemption", representing the first of the 3 acts God had told Moses He would perform: "I will bring you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians. I will free you from being slaves to them, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with mighty acts of judgment" (Exodus 6:6). It was after all of Israel as "One Man" accepted the words of the covenant that there was a re - birth, as Moses and the Levites declared to the people: “Pay attention and listen O Israel! This day you have become a people to the Lord, your God” (Deuteronomy 27:9). The generation that came out of Egypt saw the Kingdom (because they were born -again), but did not enter the Kingdom (because they were not born of water and of the spirit). They were not born of water and of the spirit because they did not continue in the covenant, they turned back in their hearts in unbelief. As it is written: "...they entered not because of unbelief" (Hebrews 4:6) To be born of water and of the spirit is to "continue in the doctrine of Jesus the Messiah. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). When a person continues in the doctrine of Jesus the Messiah, he is a disciple indeed (John 8:31), for he partakes of the washing of regeneration by the Word and the renewal of the Holy Spirit. Shalom.
2 John 1:9 confirms Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
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@Robert Vann Funny, I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit without water baptism: explain that! The Holy Spirit is the sign of forgiveness when you repent: not the removal of dirt from a literal water baptism: Paul was correct.
It may sound right to you but ti is completely and obviously wrong. Jesus himself says in John 3:6 says plainly that "Born of water" means normal fleshly birth. If you or Heiser read even one verse in either direction you would not make such gross errors. Interesting and creative do not mean correct.
This was an AWESOME insight Dr Mike! …like being born again thru the WILLINGNESS to humble and open up the eyes of our fleshly hearts that the Spirit of Father God might part the waters of our being and take up residence within us… A’ho and Amen
I've said many times in the past six years the Bible was opening like a beautiful flower. But when Heiser came along with Unseen Realm and Reversing Hermon in addition to his many talks, that's when the Bible exploded. Understanding and connecting dots has really brought the Bibile into 3-D.
I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - But this is a bit “off”. He’s teaching that “what if being born of water (and of spirit) - to see the Kingdom “ equates to coming through the Red Sea??? If I heard correctly - Heiser states that “what if born of water alludes to the Exodus event of going through the Red Sea?” As much as Michael Heiser knows and understands, and as brilliant as Michael is - (I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - so this is not an attack) But this teaching is a bit “off”. “Born of water “ is alluding to having come through the FLOOD of Noah’s day Because only if you were “born of water” in this manner - are you HUMAN - born of Adam To see the Kingsom you must be an actual human being and born of the Spirit - which makes you reborn. Born of the “second Adam” And you can’t be “reborn” if you are of serpent seed. God’s Spirit will not dwell among the Nephilim.
Ezekiel 36:25 I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances. Jesus is showing old testament passage where it talks about new birth. Israel is born in Egypt. They were only delivered from there. They didn't born after the Red Sea event. Those israel were born of flesh. They won't see kingdom unless they are born in spirit. God is the author of it all. Baptism of the spirit will be a new birth. And our sanctification is our water baptism in the spiritual sense. Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
I think this is a stretch. Rather, Jesus might be pointing Nicodemus to Ezekiel 36, the language there is parallel, where the prophecy says God will sprinkle water to clean, remove heart of stone, and God gives a new heart and a puts a new spirit (Holy Spirit).
I wonder if they are mutually exclusive? I mean Ezekiel is talking about the end of exile, which is typically imagined as a new Exodus. It seems if there was ever a time to permit more than one reference it would be exodus and end of exile since these two themes are collapsed together more than just about any other two throughout the Bible.
born of water it's born from the flesh Jesus was answering Nicodemus about '' How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” What is born from the flesh (water) is FLESH! Jesus came not only with blood but with WATER (flesh) 1John5:6 This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ- not by water alone, but by water and blood.
Yep, teachings like this just cause confusion. It is simple....we are born physically of water, when we are “ born again” it is by receiving G*d’s spirit indwelling in the person placing their faith in C hrist and what he did.
Well I think the context answers it when nicodemus say how can I enter into my mothers womb again. Therefore we are born of water.when her water breaks then we receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost hence born again
That’s pretty much how I understand and teach it. Being born of water is a reference to John’s baptism of repentance. Being born of the Spirit is receiving the Spirit of Adoption who is the Holy Spirit.
Being "born," either physically or spiritually, is God calling your name and command you to "come forth." First that happens to you on earth in the flesh, as your form emerges out of chaos or nothingness. Then it happens to you in the spiritual domain if and when the Lord bequests salvation to you. In this typology, interestingly, blood and fire are symbolically related.
The Jews had made their identity in the uniqueness of the event of being saved by God instead of in the power of God’s grace by the act of deliverance. They were in a sense taking the spot light away from God and placing it on their own shoulders seeing as they were so important in their own eyes they assigned unauthorized authority to pronounce laws,. They will need to humble themselves and see that it is God alone who sends the spirit if you ask for it the correct way. You can’t take it, it must be received as a gift. Christ then lives in you because you realize that he did everything you couldn’t possibly do. The greatest humility event a person can have. God takes care of our Pride once and for all and you have peace. Thank You Yeshua you have saved me from my physical death.
Why do you guys do this? I've started seeing this thing in other comments. Why do you call Jesus Yeshua? I know that is in the Hebrew language, but why? What is this need, what is this mentality that if you say His name differently it does what? Separate you, make you different? What is it? Or how instead of God, you say Yahweh.
That is because it had nothing to do with the Exodus and little to do with baptism. Mike is sometimes right but this is not one of them. He is taking something very simple and making it hard. Jesus is talking about two births not two baths, and even Nicodemus understands that much. Mike comes around most of the way at the end. Being born a Jew OR to Christian parents does not save you. You must have a second birth by choosing to repent and submit to Jesus as God, Boss, and Savior and being baptized by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as a result of that submission. The first birth is natural childbirth, not water baptism nor a symbolic passing through the Red Sea. The Israelites did not even get wet in the Red Sea. And John's water baptism was not symbolic of the Exodus either. It symbolized repentance, submission, and washing away sins. We still err in thinking there are still 2 baptisms because we read Mark 1:8 through the lens of tradition. John plainly says that Jesus' baptism is NOT of water but rather of Spirit alone. Paul in Eph 4:5 says there is only one baptism.
I love Dr. Mike’s work, but he is totally missing the Jewish context of the mikveh in this discussion. It was-and is-said that when a person comes up from the waters of the mikveh, they are ‘like a person born again.’ This is why Jesus was astonished that a Pharisee like Nicodemus wouldn’t get the reference. I understand how Dr. Mike is trying to connect this with the New Covenant, and the need for salvation beyond ‘Torah keeping’ and Jewish ethnic identity, but he’s missing some of the most important paradigms here. It’s ALL ABOUT Israel. We Gentiles, upon entering the New Covenant, are ADOPTED INTO Israel.
Makes perfect sense. Israel thought the kingdom of God was theirs by physical birth. Jesus said no. Physical birth gave you rights Canaan - the promised land but a second birth aka spiritual birth will grant you access into the kingdom of God which is more glorious than Canaan. Dr. Mike is making sense because after the Exodus or water reference, the bronze snake motif is introduced as a shadow with Jesus’ death as the more powerful solution to sin’s venomous bite. It fits perfectly.
There is no reason to give water in Jn.3:5 a foreign meaning. It wasn't until Calvin who was the first to give it a foreign meaning and even admitted to it. Nicodemus had "rejected the counsel of God not being baptized of John" (Lk.7:29). But for those who submitted to John's baptism, Jesus promised would "go" into the kingdom (Mt.21-31-32). Keeping in context where born of water is baptism, Jesus continued to explain, "that which is born of the flesh is flesh," is the baptismal ceremony when our bodies/flesh is baptized, which is visible. Were born of the Spirit is invisible, as the blowing of the wind, the reception of the Spirit, the forgiveness of sins. Peter does a wonderful job in explaining how one is born of water and Spirit. "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever" (1Pt.1:22-23). Peter is speaking to Christians, those who have obeyed the gospel (Mk.16:16). First notice our souls are purified when we obey the truth, through the Spirit. Not when we believe, but when we obey the truth. Being born again by the Word of God. The Holy Spirit works on our hearts through the Word of God, when we obey the truth, our souls are purified/forgiven. So, when Jesus was warning Nicodemus, the Holy Spirit was working through his words, the truth. If Nicodemus heeded Jesus warning and was baptized that night or the following day, he was born again. "Unless a man is born of water (baptism/obedience) and of the Spirit (through the Word of truth), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (See Acts 11:14). So many people are confused thinking that born of the Spirit is either Holy Spirit Baptism, or receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit. Later on Pentecost is when Nicodemus would enter the kingdom and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a different subject.
Wow - thank you Heiser! I beleive you are on to something here, the exodus is for sure a connection Nicodemus should have made, and the making of a people through water is very much related to baptism as well! And the exodus view also give us one more reason why Jesus as our savior got baptized by John (one of many reasons). Note that the next chapter in John is about baptism.
This inspired me to revisit the Genesis flood, and noticed the same contrast of death by water (7:11-24) and the waters' abatement after God caused a wind to blow over the earth (8:1) -- just another little puzzle-piece falling into place, so thank you for that. : )
I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - But this is a bit “off”. He’s teaching that “what if being born of water (and of spirit) - to see the Kingdom “ equates to coming through the Red Sea??? If I heard correctly - Heiser states that “what if born of water alludes to the Exodus event of going through the Red Sea?” As much as Michael Heiser knows and understands, and as brilliant as Michael is - (I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - so this is not an attack) But this teaching is a bit “off”. “Born of water “ is alluding to having come through the FLOOD of Noah’s day Because only if you were “born of water” in this manner - are you HUMAN - born of Adam To see the Kingsom you must be an actual human being and born of the Spirit - which makes you reborn. Born of the “second Adam” And you can’t be “reborn” if you are of serpent seed. God’s Spirit will not dwell among the Nephilim.
With all due respect (and I really do mean that), where in either Christian, or Jewish writing is that interpretation ever provided? Where do the rabbis say that the Exodus was the birth of Israel? What ancient (or modern for that matter) Christian scholars write that your interpretation of both the Exodus event, and Jesus word's to Nicodemus, are related in some way? You assert a connection, but as far as I can tell, demonstrate no Biblical or Historical evidence to support it? I am not disagreeing with you, I just want to know how you arrived at that conclusion, because honestly, it seems to come out of thin air.
How would Exodus not be the birth though? And the New Testament compares baptism and the spirit in Christianity with crossing the split waters of the Exodus and following the pillar of fire
@@rodinalmondbloom8562 I really don't know why you are addressing your remarks to me Oliver. I know perfectly well that Dr. Heiser is thoroughly unimpeachable, an exemplary scholar and engaging teacher of scripture and a devoted Christian. I too appreciate the merits of his insights, speculative or otherwise and have not criticised him in any way. I merely pointed out to The Real Killer B that he could not characterise Dr. Heiser's "What if...?" as a conclusion when it is clearly posited as an idea to be examined. If you actually intended your comment for someone else here, you might want to repost it @ that particular person.
I can totally see what he means.... he's drawing analogies isn't he? I think it makes sense if you read the whole bible in context, take an overview and also let the Word take root in your heart.... It really does make sense to me, both theologically and experientially. God bless
I like the theory that it's talking about the resurrection. Now we are sons of man, born of a woman and dust. At the resurrection we are born again, born of the spirit of God and water becoming sons of God. For Nicodemus to see the 2nd coming of Jesus and the kingdom of heaven that he brings with him, he would need to be resurrected from the dead.
I agree. In verse 10 Jesus chastises Nicodemus for being a "teacher of Israel" and not knowing about the need to be "born again" to enter the kingdom. Where in the Old Testament does it speak of being "born again" with regard to a spiritual conversion experience? If "born again" really means a spiritual conversion experience, then Jesus comes across as a real Jerk in expecting Nicodemus to have known where in the Old Testament it's taught when it's not really there. But if "born again" is really about the resurrection, then in Isaiah 26:19 (ESV) we read, "the earth will give birth to the dead." This is in the immediate context of a pregnant woman metaphor about the resurrection. Nicodemus was a Pharisee. Isaiah 26 is the most explicit (and the first) OT text that teaches about the resurrection. Nicodemus, being a Pharisee, should have recognized "born again" from Isaiah 26. But to enter the kingdom it's not just a matter of being resurrected. It's a matter of being resurrected into what Paul calls a "spiritual body" in his resurrection chapter of 1 Corinthians 15. I think Paul is referring back to the words of Jesus in using the term "spiritual body." Daniel 12:2 echoes and expands upon Isaiah 26. "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake..." "Many" means not all. Of those who are resurrected, some are resurrected to everlasting life. Others are resurrected without everlasting life. "Many" means that some are not resurrected. In these OT context verses, Jesus is saying that you must be born again into a "spiritual body" of everlasting life to enter the kingdom.
@@jsims1617 He focused on Israel while on earth, but He called to bring the Gospel to *all the nations* of the earth. Acts testifies on the proclamation of Jesus to the gentiles.
Thomas. Doc Heiser well knows his "speculation" as some have called it is absurdly wrong. If you listen carefully all the way through, he finally says that water symbolizes natural birth and the spiritual birth is accepting Christ. The intro was just clickbait for the sake of clickbait and as such was evil. Most inovations are going to be wrong and heretical. The truth is very old.
Because baptism by water,(burial in water) is the instruction by Peter in Acts, along with repentance, it seems consistent that baptism is the water part of the birth our Lord was teaching. Noah was saved by water which represents baptism, which now saves us, 1 Peter 3:21, Israel was saved through water, by going into the Red Sea on dry ground , they were all baptized together, into Moses, not Jesus. 1 Corinthians 10:2. We are instructed to be baptized into Jesus, and we will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, which is the new birth. We rise to walk in newness of life, because in baptism we are buried into death, to put off our earthly self and put on Jesus, who is our life. -- why make it complicated. Repent and be baptized every one of you and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. -- born from above. Acts 2:38
I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - But this is a bit “off”. He’s teaching that “what if being born of water (and of spirit) - to see the Kingdom “ equates to coming through the Red Sea??? If I heard correctly - Heiser states that “what if born of water alludes to the Exodus event of going through the Red Sea?” As much as Michael Heiser knows and understands, and as brilliant as Michael is - (I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - so this is not an attack) But this teaching is a bit “off”. “Born of water “ is alluding to having come through the FLOOD of Noah’s day Because only if you were “born of water” in this manner - are you HUMAN - born of Adam To see the Kingsom you must be an actual human being and born of the Spirit - which makes you reborn. Born of the “second Adam” And you can’t be “reborn” if you are of serpent seed. God’s Spirit will not dwell among the Nephilim.
I'm pretty sure it's about being born of the waters above. Jesus walked on water. The saints in revelation walk on a sea of glass. Its all in the puzzle :)
@@JFCG Heiser made it clear his presentation was something to think about. He knows all about the traditional interpretations, but he's saying...Hey take a look at this and see what you think. He is not presenting it as absolute just food for thought.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I understand that. And I’m saying he didn’t go back far enough. He looking at the wrong “through the water “. And that is likely because Heiser has taught that he believes that the flood was only in certain locations. The reason for that is because ITS ImPOSsIBLE to have a total flood on a spinning ball in a vacuum of space.
The 2nd Exodus. YAHUSHA went through egypt/mitsarim. The 6th Seal generates the holy highway. Between the 6th to the 7th seal, the 144,000 are each having a mount Sinai experience. HAMASHIACH knew he had to die because the nations that forsake Torah are seed of the watchers. HAMASHIACH cannot coexist with the seed of the rebelious watchers. This is a deeper wisdom which pertains to the end of the milinennial reign.
What if.... the water IS actually referring in total context to baptism, in which Jesus Himself modeled for the people, especially since we are given the understanding that the Pharisees and "experts" in the law "rejected God's plan for themselves" because they rejected John's call of repentance through baptism? (See Luke 7:30) This is especially likely since the convo took place between Jesus and Nicodemus, the Pharisee.... AND at the end of that same chapter in John 3, baptism is referred to there for its specific relevance in this, as well as the first three verses of chapter 4 referring to Jesus getting away for a while because He knew the Pharisees were actually seeing His own disciples baptizing more Jews than even John was.
Also, the Exodus was NEVER a "type" of new birth, but only a type of God's deliverance, a foreshadowing of His salvation being followed by trial and sanctification. The Israelite name was given to all the genetic descendants of Jacob, of whom we know MOST were not true Israel.
Israel was born of water through the Red Sea. And in a sense, Israel was born spiritually through the wilderness, as the ‘old self’ was slowly killed off and the new self slowly trained.
Excellent insight! Nicodemus was apparently unfamiliar with the notion of “spirit”, it being an invisible force, because of the analogy Jesus had to use about the wind and its indirect effects. How could Nicodemus have no understanding of “Spirit”? Could it be that Jesus had to fore-mention the events to come that would precede the coming of the Holy Spirit? Did they really have no experience with the Spirit before Jesus?
The Jews/Israelites were very familiar with the spirit realm. Think you're living 2,000 years ago and someone tells you that you must be born again. That'd throw a wrench in your head. I always felt that the text made it obvious Nicodemus hung up thinking natural physical process.
@Pond3r Thiz I agree, the plan of Salvation is SIMPLE. Let's not pick it to pieces...making it difficult and twisted. This kind of stuff is what the evil one loves to do, for he is the father of lies, (like a roaring Lion) only coming to steal, kill and destroy! We all can get so side-tracked, but during this time we MUST be concentrated on praying for the lost and luke-warm, for He desires that none should perish. He said His people perish for a lack of knowledge, He relayed His plan that is simple>>>call on Him, repent and be saved. Even Jesus>Yeshua was baptized by JtB, BUT told them they would later be baptized in the Holy Spirit. There was NO doubt about ANY of the reasons we are to be baptized in water and then in the Spirit. Let's be like the children He spoke of in Matthew... Of course this is only my opinion and do not welcome ANY hateful comments or replies. Blessings, love and peace to all:)
That is why Acts 7 says that the church was in the wilderness (Israel/Church) they were redeemed by the blood on the door post and baptized unto Moshe in the sea. So the church did not start at Peter's sermon. Paul in 1 Cor. 10 says that God was not well pleased with them as an example to believer's to not be in unbelief.
I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - But this is a bit “off”. He’s teaching that “what if being born of water (and of spirit) - to see the Kingdom “ equates to coming through the Red Sea??? If I heard correctly - Heiser states that “what if born of water alludes to the Exodus event of going through the Red Sea?” As much as Michael Heiser knows and understands, and as brilliant as Michael is - (I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - so this is not an attack) But this teaching is a bit “off”. “Born of water “ is alluding to having come through the FLOOD of Noah’s day Because only if you were “born of water” in this manner - are you HUMAN - born of Adam To see the Kingsom you must be an actual human being and born of the Spirit - which makes you reborn. Born of the “second Adam” And you can’t be “reborn” if you are of serpent seed. God’s Spirit will not dwell among the Nephilim.
Furthermore... To illustrate this a little more. Jesus said “repent and believe” Repentance comes from being convicted by the Spirit. Belief and grace come by Jesus Christ. “BORN AGAIN.”
No. Jesus is the “bread of life!” Holy Spirit is called living water - Jesus is also called “the light of the world “. Please don’t take this as an attack - that is not my intent. Buy Jesus is not living water.
@@sarahlynn4790 which teaching ? What I wrote ? If you think this - you err because You don’t know the scriptures then. What does it say in Genesis 3:15 ? Then in Genesis 6 - why did the Most High flood the earth? To fully understand these things - YOU MUST KNOW the scriptures. And I’m not referring to what most Christians keep themselves to. I’m speaking of including Enoch, Jasher - and the like. If you don’t include these understandings - you don’t understand what’s happening in the world - and why.
Did you consider that since Jesus reiterates, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” He is referring to water and flesh as part of creation? After all Peter said, “the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,” 2 Pet 3:5. Man was formed from the dust of the ground which was created from out of water. Genesis 2:7
@@johnbreitmeier3268 Oh, but I do! If you knew me at all, and you don't--you would never say that I don't have Jews in my family. Heiser is correct. God knew long ago after the Fall that Man could not fully adhere to the Law. Jesus came because it is not sufficent for a Jew to be compliant to Mosaic Law. Why? Only Jesus can lay claim to have kept the Law perfectly. His death and resurrection fulfilled God's promise to repair the rift between Man and God. Messianic Jews understand this truth. In time, most Orthodox Jews will know the truth and accept Christ as the Messiah. Only those that are followers of Christ and accept his Deity will find eternal life. Jesus came for all of mankind, both Jew and Gentile! It Grace, (Jesus work on the cross) through faith in Christ that provides our Salvation...NOT our WORKS which was the point of Mosaic Law. Jesus came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfil it and make a new covenant with us (Mankind).
@@redit5332 I did not say you did not have Jews in your family (surely you know that), or that they don't need to know the good news that Jesus is and was the Messiah that died for their sons, BUT Heiser's teaching on born of water being the Exodus is dead wrong and will lead them away from not towards Jesus.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 Pfft. Now you are gaslighting. I and others that read your comment to me would come to the same conclusion for my original comment on this thread was, and I quote, "Thank you for this message. I have Jewish relatives that need to understand this." Regardless, if you have a differing opinion--it need not be addressed in reply to me, but in a separate comment and well supplied with FACTS, to justify YOUR opinion. So far, your comments to me do not sway me, nor would they sway my Jewish relatives. Followers of Christ are to witness to others about Christ, and with the help of the Holy Spirit through prayer-- they will have a change of heart and learn the truth...this will happen up to mid-Tribulation and then God will harden apostates hearts to quicken the coming of His Kingdom on earth. There are many Messianic Jews out there that have accepted Christ as their Messiah and there will be countless more. There are approximately 175,000 to 250,000 Messianic Jews in the U.S, and about 10,000 to 20,000 living in Israel. Heiser's teachings are just one way out of a multitude to do that very thing. After that...it's up to the Holy Spirit to enlighten to the truth. The Holy Spirit is the trump card, not the person witnessing! Never underestimate Him. Have a good evening and God bless.
What if it simply means you have to get baptized in water for the remission of your sins, and receive the Holy Spirit with the laying on of hands, just like was demonstrated time and time again in Acts :/
@@spitfiremase the problem is. People swallow this garbage that “born of water” is born of their mother’s womb, when Jesus specifically says it had nothing to do with that. So many people are believing the gospel is “believe and you are saved” not “repent and be baptized”
@@spitfiremase then why does John continue on in verse 22 to tell us after this conversation Jesus took his disciples to a remote place with much water to baptize them and spend time with them. The conversation with Nicodemus is told to us to explain why Jesus baptized his disciples.
Maybe we should also consider the interpretation of the intelligent, zealous Christians who lived closer in time to the apostles (like within a generation or two). Here are some 2nd century quotations all before 200 A.D. taken from the Ante-Nicene Fathers collection which all involve the verses in question (John 3:3 & John 3:5) or allusions to them: Justin Martyr: "I will also relate the manner in which we dedicated ourselves to God when we had been made new through Christ; lest, if we omit this, we seem to be unfair in the explanation we are making. As many as are persuaded and believe that what we teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, are instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past-we praying and fasting with them. Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For in the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, 'Except ye be born again, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.'….And for this [rite] we have learned from the apostles this reason: since at our [physical] birth we were born without our own knowledge or choice, by our parents coming together, and were brought up in bad habits and wicked training; in order that we may not remain the children of necessity and of ignorance, but may become the children of choice and knowledge, and may obtain in the water the remission of sins formerly committed, there is pronounced over him who chooses to be born again, and has repented of his sins, the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe (he who leads to the laver the person that is to be washed calling him by this name alone)…And this washing is called illumination, because they who learn these things are illuminated in their understandings. And in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and in the name of the Holy Ghost, who through the prophets foretold all things about Jesus, he who is illuminated is washed. (c.160 A.D., ANF Vol. 1, p. 183) Irenaeus: "'And dipped himself,' says [Scripture], 'seven times in Jordan.' It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [it served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions; being spiritually regenerated as new-born babes, even as the Lord has declared: 'Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.'" (c.180 A.D., ANF Vol. 1, p. 574) Theophilus: "Moreover, the things proceeding from the waters were blessed by God, that this also might be a sign of man's being destined to receive repentance and remission of sins, through the water and laver of regeneration-as many as come to the truth, and are born again, and receive blessing from God." (c.180 A.D., ANF Vol. 2, p. 101) Clement of Alexandria: "He [Jesus] thus wishes us to turn ourselves again and become as children who have come to know the true Father and are reborn through water by a generation different from birth in the created world." (c.195 A.D., ANF Vol. 2, p. 397) Tertullian: "…the prescript is laid down that 'without baptism, salvation is attainable by none' (chiefly on the ground of that declaration of the Lord, who says, 'Unless one be born of water, he hath not life')…" (c.198 A.D., ANF Vol. 3, p. 674-675) Tertullian: "For the law of baptizing has been imposed, and the formula prescribed: 'Go,' He saith, 'teach the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.' The comparison with this law of that definition, 'Unless a man have been reborn of water and Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of the heavens,' has tied faith to the necessity of baptism." (c.198 A.D., ANF Vol. 3, p. 676)
"Well dude, like, thats just like, your opinion, man." - Dude Lebowski. Then goes on to have a horrible day of debochary. You're great Dr. Mike. A brother in Christ showed me who you are and it opened my eyes even more, knowing English is pretty much a language of law and word screwery. I am starting to try to learn Hebrew for the past year of being sober and saved. Thank you for what you do.
Word screwery. Yes, and people are word screwers by and large. I second your gratitude to Dr. Mike and commend you on your efforts to get to the bottom of it all by learning Hebrew as well as quoting the Dude, who is never irrelevant.
First, let’s correct our references. A Jew is one from the southern kingdom (which only included the tribe of Judah and Benjamin, and technically Benjamites, are not Jews, but their division of land was within the kingdom of Judah. I know Dr. Heiser knows this, so presumably he is just using common reference, but this perpetuates error in thinking and Biblical understanding. The northern kingdom consistent of ten tribes, and YHWH divorced them because of their adultery (the extent of it - every single one of their kings was rebellious). The Spirit descended upon the faithful followers of YHWH many times according to Tanakh. What is unique in the renewed covenant is how it is written on our hearts.
What possible reason could there be to think that being born of water refers to the exodus? Someone else in the comments thinks it refers to Noah and the flood. How many other what if's can we come up with. What if it refers to all the water bound up in the clouds and when the temperature changes they birth all that water to the earth. John 3:6 the verse after Jesus says you must be born of water and the spirit, say flesh gives birth to flesh and the Spirit gives birth to spirit. What if flesh giving birth to flesh refers to being born of water, would that not be the most obvious meaning. What about those of us that didn't have the opportunity to be part of the Exodus. All of us have been born into this world and have participated in sinning against God and therefore will die, but because God loves us he has made it possible to have a restored relationship with God by being born of His Spirit when we believe in the one God sent who is Jesus Christ. That is the important part of the conversation with Nicodemus. This idea seems to be the product of a fertile imagination. I read a number of comments where people are so enamored with this what if that they think all their friends must be enlightened with this new what if truth. Seems like Christians today are looking for new ideas to tickle their ears. I'm not suggesting that this idea is a dangerous heresy, it's just silly.
What if born and of water refers to our common origins, not just of Israel but of humanity (thus of all peoples)? “Gen: 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters… 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.” The deliverance of the “nation” is limited to “the nation” as was Jesus’ primary/immediate mission; but I am a Gentile three time over by heritage … I belong to “Adam1” as do “all” … so I think it wise to shake the shackles of the nation if we are going to preach the Gospel to the nations.
I've just learned of you Dr. Heiser, I love the fresh, highly educated perspectives. What I don't like... was reading through all the comments, OMG! I think I'm getting a rash. It seems like a bunch of the commenters disagree with you. Many of them don't think that the Exodus is a biblical picture of a carnal rebirth event. So, coming out of bondage doesn't qualify...? Going through the Red Sea doesn't count? Hello? Even though Paul tells us that's exactly what it is? 1 Corinth. 10:1 I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud, and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. The Typology, Symbolism, and the delightful recognition of Allegory are so long-awaited in the body of Christ. Keep up the awesome work. You're making Paul the Apostle smile.
No of emus was obviously thinking Jesus meant physical birth otherwise why did he ask how he was supposed to return to the womb. I believe Heiser is reaching here and coming up with his own interpretation apart from scripture.
Some of you might find this to be interesting, which are two replies I wrote a few days ago to two different people, the first being a false prophet whose RUclips name is "Prophet Bradley" who said in his defensive and argumentative reply: "I AM CHOSEN AND ANOINTED BY GOD ALMIGHTY." The second is a reply I made about an hour later to a lady named Kelly Powell who said she believes that the spirit of Elijah has been poured out. Here's my (edited) reply to "Prophet Bradley": Prophet Bradley ~ So, you're "CHOSEN AND ANOINTED BY GOD ALMIGHTY" eh? That doesn't equate seeing as how you're posting religious videos on RUclips, which is a Satanic medium like TV that has been set up by the kingdom of darkness overlords (aka fallen angels/principalities per Ephesians 6:12 in the King James Version) for the purpose of deceiving and controlling millions of Christians who are devoid of spiritual discernment (people like yourself for example). About four years ago a Christian prophet ( a real one) posted a comment in reply to a RUclips video that was posted by a so-called 'prophet' saying that the Lord had just recently said to him: "No Christian prophet will post a video on RUclips, or will allow himself to be interviewed in any RUclips video, or will go on TV for any reason." In case you may have some difficulty figuring it out, what this means is that all of the so-called 'prophets' who are posting videos on RUclips are false prophets (people like yourself for example). The reason Christian prophets (real ones) are so often ignored, opposed, ridiculed, vilified, rejected, and sometimes killed, is because their messages are so opposite of the sweetsie-sweet and nicie-nice 'prophecies' so many Christians have been being weaned on for years and years and have become addicted to. You can tell the truth of that by reading the comments to the false prophets' worthless videos. Sometimes when I look through the comments people post throwing roses at the false teachers and false prophets and lauding them to the skies, it almost makes me wonder if most Christians in Western Culture have lost their minds (besides having lost their spiritual discernment long ago, or never had it to begin with). You're obviously totally convinced that you're anointed by the Holy Spirit. You're delusional. The spirit you're dealing with, who you think is the Holy Spirit, is in fact a religious spirit who has been carefully groomed by the kingdom of darkness overlords to know how to mimic the Holy Spirit, and you have swallowed the deception hook, line, and sinker. The worst thing about it is that the religious spirit controlling you has rights to blind you spiritually so that you can't be told about your spiritual condition. In other words, you're permanently stuck in one hell of a mess spiritually. I'd hate to be in your shoes. End of my reply to him. Here's my (edited) reply to Kelly Powell: Kelly Powell ~ Dear Kelly, I assume you meant to say "Spirit of Elijah move poured out..." If you think that then you've obviously never seen an outpouring of the Holy Spirit. You might find this to be interesting (probably not, but oh well): One night back in the fall of 2017 at around 11:00 in the evening right as I was getting ready to turn off the light and lie down to go to sleep, I prayed and asked the Lord to please send the end-time outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and he immediately replied to me speaking to me in my spirit and he said: "Many of my people are praying and asking me to send renewal, but when the outpouring comes they aren't going to like it." That was all he said. I waited to hear if he would say more but he didn't. But he did open my understanding to understand that the reason they aren't going to like it is because it is going to be so totally different than the milquetoast spiritual atmosphere they've been being acclimated to for most of their lives (and which they love) that they won't be able to relate to it and will be afraid of it and will reject it. Also because with much Holy Spirit power comes much spiritual responsibility, and even though hardly any of them would admit it, most Christians want nothing to do with serious spiritual responsibility. With their ears itching profusely (per 2 Timothy 4:3-4 in the King James Version) they opt to run to 'professionals' (i.e. so-called 'prophets') to do for them what they should be doing for themselves spiritually which leaves them totally powerless spiritually. Plus the outpouring will expose where everyone is at spiritually, and most Christians want none of that. The end-time outpouring of the Holy Spirit (that is foretold in scripture) is going to be so radically powerful that most Christians won't be able to relate to it and will be afraid of it and will reject it. That is exactly what happened to millions of American and Canadian Christians during the mid-90's outpouring of the Holy Spirit (what became known as "The Toronto Outpouring of the Holy Spirit"). It was so much more powerful than anything they had ever seen before that it frightened them and they rejected it (and many of them vilified it saying it was "Of the Devil" thus blaspheming the Holy Spirit and possibly sealing their fate). Then after they rejected it they went on with no anointing of the Holy Spirit on their lives to engage in all sorts of religious soul power do-gooder agendas to try to compensate for the feeling of spiritual powerlessness they were feeling (on a subconscious level mostly). But what they inadvertently succeeded in doing was to create the spiritual atmosphere (vacuum) that made it easy for the religious spirits to walk into and to prop up this battalion of false teachers and false prophets on RUclips. It's all very sad. End of my reply to Kelly. One last thing, having to do with the prophecy the Christian prophet posted denigrating and exposing RUclips: About seven years ago on a hot summer day at around 2:00 in the afternoon I came in the house and started digging around in my desk drawers looking for a piece of paper with someone's phone number on it (I think maybe it was my auto mechanic's phone number), and as I was digging around in one of the drawers, out of the blue the Lord spoke to me in my spirit and he said: "Prophecy isn't for everyone. Most Christians say they believe in prophecy, and they think they do, but they don't really." That blew my mind because at that moment I wasn't thinking about anything having anything to do with spiritual things.
What if passing through the waters of the Exodus signified the birth of the nation of Israel? I didn't even listen to this, but what if the meaning and significance of these things: born of water from the womb, rebirth in baptism, and the Exodus are all connected by the Author and Creator. What if mentally masturbating theologians can't see the forest for the trees?
Dr. Heiser stopped too soon with John Chapter 3. Verse 22 is the punch line verse to Jesus's conversation with Nicodemus. While there are lots of parallels in the Bible, verse 22 makes it clear what Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus. In verse 22 we are told Jesus took his disciples to a remote area with lots of water to baptize them and spend time with them. We see in John Chapter 4 that the disciples then began carrying out the baptisms in water. In the last chapter of Matthew Jesus gives a very clear set of instructions to his disciples. 1. Go and teach everyone 2. Make disciples baptizing them into the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit 3. Teach them to keep these commands. The book of Acts is the record of disciples carrying out this set of instructions. In every instance of conversion the people were baptized in water. Romans 6 and I Peter 3 explain what takes place during water baptism. No difficult to understand hidden meanings. If we do what Jesus said to do he promises to be with us. The opposite is also true, if we don't keep Jesus's commands we are on our own.
born of water = womb Born of spirit = God Explained when Jesus said a person is born once physically and must be born spiritually. Simple. Nothing to do with splashing h2o on your face.
@Greg, I think what Heiser is saying that Jesus is giving insight to Nicodemus in revealing a truth that being a part of Israel is not enough to see God's kingdom but the Spirit that will be sent at pentecost will enable those who receive him to see the kingdom of God.
I'm also thinking that in a like way, what Jesus is saying also parallels the creation story and the need that arose when Adam and Eve sinned. That first fleshly birth was not enough. The interruption of sin resulted in being blocked by God from partaking of the tree of life. Mankind's only prospect at that time was death. But God intervened by offering a second birth - one that takes place after death takes its toll. Similarly, Jesus, after He died and rose again, offered a new breath of the Spirit into mankind to rekindle a second, lasting birth. Just riffing off some parallel thoughts that occurred to me. Mike's perspective is more in line with the text and the Nicodemus encounter, I believe. Nonetheless, the parallelisms in the imagery seem to echo in waves through various parts of the Bible.
🤔🙃 interesting to hear ( and I agree with ) We MUST be BORN AGAIN, with that being said 🤔 hear and understand, fully what Ha-shem is doing 🤔🤔😳He or Ye-hua gave us an example by eating fish 🙄🙄 Give thanks 🤔 Enjoy the flesh 🤔 Watch out for the bones 😳 It is great and nourishing to receive good food 😀🙏🙏 May Ha-shem bless ( reward ) All the talmudium of Ye-hua 🤔 which at the moment there are about 8 billion people living on this planet Earth 🤔and less than 5% would call themselves as talmudium 😳 which is also (above other things ) is the BRIDE of Ye-hua. 🕎🌎🌍🌏✝️
Exodus 12 v 38 declares that Israel was a Mixed Multitude! Not until the elitist attitude seeped in through religious pride was ethnicity anything. Jacob himself had 4 different women produce the 12 sons Family lines were only important really to identify messiah Being born of water was understood as physical Being born Again was a milestone in life Bar mitzvah, marriage, priesthood, Jesus as The last Adam is opening up The Way to The Father The baptism in The 🕊Holy Spirit 🔥
Im grateful for this. My brethren just cant seem to get ahold of this truth. But I believe the days are coming where the Book of Hebrews will unlock the New Testament for my brethren.
I do not like this presentation at all because it is very misleading especially to those who knows very little about the Bible. I understand this presentation as a kind of hypothesis( another way of looking at things), not to disprove water and Holy Spirit baptism. And being born of water and Spirit is the totality of Yahweh’s plan of redemption to both Jews and Gentiles. I wonder if Dr Heiser have teachings on Joel chapter 2.
..........."The Kingdom of God is AT HAND" Guys, it's NOT A PLACE YOU GO WHEN YOU DIE! ..and Jesus never taught it that way, ....it's the process of sanctification, it's baptism of the Holy Spirit, a status you can experience now in this life, one of obedience to LORD Jesus, IN CHRIST. But it takes time to become sanctified in Christ, most seem to not be able to be there consistently.
Water and spirit. Water of the womb, Spirit of God. Water of baptism also refers to the death that occurred in the flood of Noah’s time. Where all died in the flood but only the ones who trusted in God lived. We die in the waters, our old selves die and are risen in life with Christ. That’s biblical.
@@BrownBrown270 I said it refers to it, not that it’s necessarily necessary, but nothing should be holding a Christian back from getting baptized. There should be a desire to be baptized.
Bike comes to the right conclusion, but the way it gets there’s all wrong. John had no idea about going through the red sea. We mentioned this clearly if you read John three it goes physical, spiritual, physical, spiritual, physical, spiritual when it came time to water it was physical. John is talking about the water of the womb and of the spirit of God, all he was telling Demus was by this context being a physical was not enough you have to believe in me as a savior to be a spiritual due. That’s all he was saying all that other nonsense is just that nonsense. I love Mike he was a good man, but he had the bad habit of interpreting the New Testament through the Old Testament just like other people try to interpret the Old Testament through the New Testament, he had the opposite law because he was an old testament scholar so I get it here in many other places. Mike has very flawed views right in front of you. I don’t know why he can’t see that.
The bible negates Dr heiser. Mat 5 17 do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them ( I dont have new covenant) Like 4 43 I must proclaim the good news of the(foretold) kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent( I do not have new covenant)." So , there is no new covenant , God does not change his mind, and God have already established his covenant with the seed ofAbraham, Ishmael and Issac., and jesus virgin birth is the clue that children of Ismael ( 12 rulers ) are the ones who will usher in the kingdom of God that jesu was preaching.
I feel like you have a blind spot via Christian indoctrination. I like you because you are often able to confront these blind spots. I want to challenge you to look through a Jew's perspective when you are talking about being born of the spirit. To a Jew, the birth of the spirit is the beginning of life. Life does not happen without a spirit being born into a body. also, a jew perceives themselves to be born with a godly soul companion inherited by lineage that communes with god. To a Jew, this theological statement would essentially say absolutely nothing. a mere truism.
6:11 Well yeah because you have to be Faithfull to the old and the new yes? "Do not think that i have come here to destroy the LAW or the PROPHETS. For i have come to fulfill them." - Yeshua, that's what we are talking about, and is it not saying that you still need to strive to follow the laws and too follow the new? I mean to do every law is pretty hard if not impossible for most, for all but 1/3rd roughly most likely. But if they are not destroyed then they are still in play and you should attempt to do them as much as you can should you not? which is why i use strive meaning to try to your utmost ability, I've never really heard no with sound reasoning I've heard no with belief or feelings, which should not solely control man, But its why i ask because i hope you can give that satisfactory answer at some point. The closest i have caught you to it , is your belief which i respect and i believe its not unfounded nor wrong, but yet their is the law still existing and demanding to be fulfilled? As always thanks for all your knowledge and input its helped me alot over the years even when following the actual history.
The law is still existing and will continue to exist until this present heaven and earth are taken away (Matthew 5:17-20). The Jew according to the flesh is bound to observe the law still. Even Paul the Apostle in making his defence to the accusations brought against him said “I have committed no offense against the law of the Jews or against the temple...." (Acts 25:7-8). Observing the law however does not mean that one is justified by it for justification comes only by faith, as it is written, "...the just shall live by his faith" (Habakkuk 2:4). The gentile according to the flesh is not bound by the covenant at Sinai but is grafted into the commonwealth of Israel by the covenant by the blood of Jesus the Messiah. The gentile according to the flesh is thus not bound by the carnal commandment - touch not and taste not (Colossians 2:21) which are only shadows of the reality that is Christ. Shalom.
The word in Greek that is translated as fulfill (pleroo) is better rendered as “to cause to abound” or to furnish. He was showing us how the true Torah should be kept not the man made laws that have perverted it.
No that is bottomless as in from the bottomless pit. It is just plain wrong. The simple explanation is true. The first birth is natural and we all are born of water. The second requires repentance and active, ongoing faith in Jesus as Lord, God, and Savior. Mike is doing clickbait.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 did you come to that conclusion yourself or you just repeating what you heard around? Most people believe what you just mentioned and i doubt they all took that from the bible. Most people prefer to parrot rather than think.
@@iuliua JR, that sure sounds like projection to me. As for me, I actually think. I read what the author actually says, not the obscure theory that some braindead academic critic passes off on the gullible. MH's theory is creative, but crap.
23 tribes left Egypt. The Levi Priests killed off 11 the Assyrians took the rest and spread them out all over sold as slaves. Two tribes were left Judah and Benjamin. The Babylonian Priest that reformed Judaism after the Bronze age Collapse totally rejected the tribe of Benjamin that never went to Babylon. So this left 1 Tribe Judah. History is mostly lies of Kings and Priests and Popes. The real truth was preserved by families and oral traditions.
Romans 2:28For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
If you mean ethnic Hebrews, well it would if it were true . Fortunately this is speculative nonsense which a man of Heiser's age and supposed maturity should not be engaging in. What Jesus was plainly saying was the being born to religous parents - being born a Hebrew or of Christian parents does not save you. You need two births - one as a human being (water) and one as a repentant believer in Jesus as Lord, god , and Savior (spirit.) Nicodemus "a ruler of the Jews" came to Jesus apparently wanting to know when the Messiah was going to run off the Romans and put the Sanhedrin in charge. He starts off with flattery. Jesus saw his heart and turned to him and told him he needed to repent and start over like a newborn or he was not even going to see the kingdom of God much less rule it. Nic was not happy and pretended not to understand and Jesus gave him both barrels. Jesus makes it clear that natural "birthright" is not enough. Salvation belongs to "whosoever believes in him".
Translators of the Bible have obscured the fact that The Church was established at Sinai. Not everyone there accepted it: many called and few accept. The new covenant according to Jeremiah 31 is the re-establishment of the United Kingdom of Israel or the Kingdom of God (both the house of Judah aka Jewish believers and the House of Israel aka Gentile believers. The Torah is still part of the new covenant as it says in Jeremiah that the Torah will be written on the hearts. Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law (Hellenistic Jews wished he did come for that lol). Jesus said only law abiding citizens will enter the Kingdom of God. Lawless people will be outside the United Kingdom of Israel. This has been mucked up by Christians and Jews for centuries. Partial blindness. The Law doesn't save but obedience to the Law gives you your inheritance in the new Kingdom of Israel with Jesus as King. Once established, Israel will finally be the Light to the Nations. Christianity aka Roman Christianity redefined everything Jesus spoke about into a new religion which should never have happened. I wish more people understood this and stopped fighting because the gospel is a Gospel of Peace and reconciliation. So, yes being born again means you are reborn into Israel through the Spirit not ethnicity
"but to the deliverance through the sea..." of affliction Zech 10:11. There is quite a controversy surrounding the way Mary of Magdala's character line is written, in an ongoing series. She is portrayed openly as someone suffering with textbook trauma. Future Mary would tell you baptism represents the downpayment of final relief but our salvation must be worked out over our lifetime. Kind of exactly what Emmanuel did 2k yrs ago.
The only problem here is an idea that you can interpret God of the Old Testament with the New Testament... Can't explain bananas describing them with apples. There are fundamental differences in belief, practice and interpretations between two scriptures. Judaism does not acknowledge Jesus as a Son of The God, but as one of the prophets. There by suggesting, Christian beliefs and scriptures are revolving around false god, one who has no authority. Which puts the New Testament validity in question. If two scriptures were not to essentially clame to worship the same God, you could easily make conclusions you enjoy to get, without having to confront obvious. Three religions claiming the same God, each teaches different beliefs. Except for both Judaism and Islam, Jesus was a prophet, not the Son of God. My conclusion is, either Jesus is a Son of God, and both Judaism and Islam are wrong about it, or Jesus is not a Son of God, or is a Son of some other God... What is it?
You have certainly got straight to the crux of the matter (heart, most important) Yes both Judaism and Islam deny Jesus The Son of YHVH. The Resurrection proves otherwise ✝️🕊♥️ HE IS LORD
@@P.H.888 See, that's the problem, from who do we get the information about the resurrection? If the whole teaching lies on false testimony? I mean we have to trust Paul on his word... That is no scholarly approach, it's a belief.
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Amen, this is similar to my conversion, born in darkness(resentment anger hate jealousy ignorance violence abuse neglect)my blessing came when i was 40yrs old living by my own understanding (hardship)thinking I was on my own(suffering), long story short single mum for 15yrs, 2 young adults now, chose to be carer of my sickly parent's believing I loved and forgiven them, oh my,..the lord showed I did Not😔 the first year was like I was dying anxiety high memories flooding back, left job with 30k debt anyway my luggage was getting heavy, I was use to Heavy being a single mum, But this🤯lucky with the help of a cousin who became a Christian in my ear alot,...one day in my struggle a bill came in knowing I had just lost 200 a week child support daughter turned 18...something came over me like I was having mean panic attack never experienced before...and something made me say Jesus's Name and it was weak my faith was not strong I just called His name😭 🥲at that moment it was like water being poured on my head😭and all my worries and anxiety was gone in a instant...I was so shocked as I sort other help with this problem and those only helped abit,. From that moment I had peace everything I thought I knew just fell away, ...and it was like my eyes were wide open and all wanted to do is know Jesus who He was and IS..,So glad my cousin gave me a bible I started reading researching and on my journey of Salvation 😭😭😭🥲❤🕊🕊🕊✝️🕊🕊🕊4years later I'm so grateful He loves a wretched soul like me🙂🕊✝️🙌
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Michael heiser is still alive in our hearts. Thank you Teacher.
Thank you Dr. for this deeper context of Jesus’ conversation with Nicodemus. I’m sure it deeply impacted Nicodemus when on the day of Pentecost Peter told the crowd to repent and be baptized after they asked “What shall we do?” He had just informed them they had killed the Messiah. Their question indicates they “believed” both their sin and their acceptance/confession of Jesus’ identity. Those mass baptisms on that day had a profound effect on the whole city and Judaea. I also find it interesting that every conversion in Acts involves water baptism. Paul says Israel was baptized into Moses at the Red Sea(I Cor. 10), and he also says we are baptized into Christ thus becoming His spiritual seed (Galatians 3:27). How wonderful!
What of the thief on the cross then? Was he saved?
@@MrEmeralddogThe thief was still under the old covenant. Jesus had not yet been resurrected and the Holy Spirit had not been poured out/given to dwell individual believers. Jesus had authority on earth to forgive sins (Luke 5:24).
John 3:5 says we must be born of water AND the Spirit to enter the kingdom. If being born of water is Israeli ethnicity, then how can Gentiles be born of water? How can Gentiles enter the kingdom? The parallel verse given immediately after this verse is, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" The parallelism strongly suggests that the water refers to flesh. Also, this is Jesus responding to the misunderstanding of Nicodemus' thinking that "born again" is referring to a re-birth of flesh by reentering his mother's womb. So the context of the immediate answer involves a birth of flesh. I think that in this case, context is king.
@@End_of_Days Novelty buys clicks but it isn't truth.
@@cbailey1978 Chris, I really doesn't matter WHAT you find odd. What "Born of water and of spirit" means in John 3:5 is blindingly clear in context in the very next verse. Here is the whole thought: John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Jesus could NOT be clearer. In verse 6 Jesus explains that "born of water" means a fleshly biirth as Nicidemus clearly understood in verse 4 as being born of a woman's womb. AND amazingly "born of Spirit" means, wait for it, born of Spirit. There is NO reference to baptism, NO reference to the Red Sea. YOU may think it fits. Heiser may think it fits but Jesus does not. Yes, Jesus is saying that in order to be saved you DO first have to exist, that is be naturally born, and "be born agai" by being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Jesus then procedes to tell Nic HOW to be "Born of the Spirit" by believing on HIM. John 3:16
@@cbailey1978 Chris, your stupidity is uncalled for. You expressed a "view", an incredibly stupid and wrong view Just like Heiser did on one of the simplest passages of scripture and I called you out on that stupidity. Rather I let Jesus call you out in his own words. Why don't you call Jesus condescending. He certainly was condescending with Nicodemous' similarly deliberately glib and stupid remark. The fact that other stupid people hold your stupid view does not change anything. I expressed Jesus' view of the passage. Exactly why is Jesus' view condescending? Is it my job to stroke your poor wounded ego which probably gets deflated a whole lot? When you are wrong, which I would guess is frequently, do you not want to be corrected or do you like being wrong? Now thsi post you can call condescending. Just so you know what condesceending sounds like. The other one was straight facts.
@@cbailey1978 Jesus said," That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Jesus is simply using a parallelism to the birth of flesh. The requirement is to be born AGAIN. The thief on the cross was not baptized. Yet he was/is with Christ in Paradise. There is not a requirement of water baptism for salvation. Given the opportunity, we should obey and be baptized. But it's not a requirement for entering the kingdom.
@@johnbreitmeier3268this IS what Heiser explains in my humble opinion. ??? Blessings to u
The spiritual journey is mapped out in the Old Covenant
That’s a very thoughtful statement. I’ve been reading it that way without even realizing it.
@@sonnybrown4758 so you understand the lamb of the Exodus was the beginning of the journey, and all the enemies of the Hebrews while wandering in the wilderness represent our spiritual enemies, and their little faith at the beginning….and how at the end of your journey you should have the faith if Joshua?
The Lord's plan moves in a straight line: from Glory to Glory to Glory to Glory.......Jesus was using theological ideas to help Nicodemus to understand where He and His Father were going, moving forward into a place distinctly beyond the rituals and flesh of the previous season. Now those rituals and journeys serve as an Anchor point, like a plumb on a plumb line, for understanding the work of the Spirit, the point of reference on the plumb line, in this age and how to co-labor with Him for his purpose. This particular video is one of your most important explanations. Well done.
Thank you Michael. The body of Christ needs you and your calm revelatory teaching. You may become very popular and the temptation might be to bring deep, provocative messages as time goes on. Please stay the course and avoid the demands of those with "itching ears" to bring them something new. We need you and your sound Biblical deliveries. Thanks again.
The exodus was not the "re-birth" of the nation of Israel, the exodus was the "redemption", representing the first of the 3 acts God had told Moses He would perform: "I will bring you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians. I will free you from being slaves to them, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with mighty acts of judgment" (Exodus 6:6). It was after all of Israel as "One Man" accepted the words of the covenant that there was a re - birth, as Moses and the Levites declared to the people: “Pay attention and listen O Israel! This day you have become a people to the Lord, your God” (Deuteronomy 27:9). The generation that came out of Egypt saw the Kingdom (because they were born -again), but did not enter the Kingdom (because they were not born of water and of the spirit). They were not born of water and of the spirit because they did not continue in the covenant, they turned back in their hearts in unbelief. As it is written: "...they entered not because of unbelief" (Hebrews 4:6)
To be born of water and of the spirit is to "continue in the doctrine of Jesus the Messiah. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). When a person continues in the doctrine of Jesus the Messiah, he is a disciple indeed (John 8:31), for he partakes of the washing of regeneration by the Word and the renewal of the Holy Spirit.
Shalom.
Maybe the exodus is both redemption and rebirth.
This is a discussion and people can share their thoughts.
@@danielbudiono7232 I've understood the Red Sea to be the redemption and the Jordan to be the rebirth, or born again experience.
2 John 1:9 confirms
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
You need to listen again.
@@keithcampbell7820 Bingo. I read so many replies and it seems that people did not listen to a word Heiser said based on what they wrote.
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I'm liking this discussion. Sounds right somehow. Let's hear more Mike!
Yes! I have never heard such interesting sermons in a church in my life. Always the usual, no ' meat'!
@Robert Vann Funny, I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit without water baptism: explain that!
The Holy Spirit is the sign of forgiveness when you repent: not the removal of dirt from a literal water baptism: Paul was correct.
It may sound right to you but ti is completely and obviously wrong. Jesus himself says in John 3:6 says plainly that "Born of water" means normal fleshly birth. If you or Heiser read even one verse in either direction you would not make such gross errors. Interesting and creative do not mean correct.
This was an AWESOME insight Dr Mike! …like being born again thru the WILLINGNESS to humble and open up the eyes of our fleshly hearts that the Spirit of Father God might part the waters of our being and take up residence within us… A’ho and Amen
I've said many times in the past six years the Bible was opening like a beautiful flower. But when Heiser came along with Unseen Realm and Reversing Hermon in addition to his many talks, that's when the Bible exploded. Understanding and connecting dots has really brought the Bibile into 3-D.
I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser -
But this is a bit “off”.
He’s teaching that “what if being born of water (and of spirit) - to see the Kingdom “ equates to coming through the Red Sea???
If I heard correctly - Heiser states that “what if born of water alludes to the Exodus event of going through the Red Sea?”
As much as Michael Heiser knows and understands, and as brilliant as Michael is - (I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - so this is not an attack)
But this teaching is a bit “off”.
“Born of water “ is alluding to having come through the FLOOD of Noah’s day
Because only if you were “born of water” in this manner - are you HUMAN - born of Adam
To see the Kingsom you must be an actual human being and born of the Spirit - which makes you reborn. Born of the “second Adam”
And you can’t be “reborn” if you are of serpent seed. God’s Spirit will not dwell among the Nephilim.
Ezekiel 36:25 I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.
Jesus is showing old testament passage where it talks about new birth. Israel is born in Egypt. They were only delivered from there. They didn't born after the Red Sea event. Those israel were born of flesh. They won't see kingdom unless they are born in spirit.
God is the author of it all. Baptism of the spirit will be a new birth. And our sanctification is our water baptism in the spiritual sense.
Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
I think this is a stretch.
Rather, Jesus might be pointing Nicodemus to Ezekiel 36, the language there is parallel, where the prophecy says God will sprinkle water to clean, remove heart of stone, and God gives a new heart and a puts a new spirit (Holy Spirit).
I wonder if they are mutually exclusive? I mean Ezekiel is talking about the end of exile, which is typically imagined as a new Exodus. It seems if there was ever a time to permit more than one reference it would be exodus and end of exile since these two themes are collapsed together more than just about any other two throughout the Bible.
Good job . Details of what Covenant really entails is good to hash out.
born of water it's born from the flesh Jesus was answering Nicodemus about '' How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” What is born from the flesh (water) is FLESH!
Jesus came not only with blood but with WATER (flesh) 1John5:6 This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ- not by water alone, but by water and blood.
Always a good reading. I pray you have the strength of the Spirit to help you through you physical afflictions dr Heiser.
2 Timothy 4:4 KJV - And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Yep, teachings like this just cause confusion. It is simple....we are born physically of water, when we are “ born again” it is by receiving G*d’s spirit indwelling in the person placing their faith in C hrist and what he did.
@@sunnydaze1185 Truth
What if being born of the water is repentance and being born of the spirit is receiving the Holy Spirit
Well I think the context answers it when nicodemus say how can I enter into my mothers womb again. Therefore we are born of water.when her water breaks then we receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost hence born again
@@stevebates9460 that’s what nicodemus thought with his fleshly mind because thats the only birth we know about…Jesus never acknowledged his answer.
Few people understand that verse including most parrot pastors. Good job brother.
That’s pretty much how I understand and teach it. Being born of water is a reference to John’s baptism of repentance. Being born of the Spirit is receiving the Spirit of Adoption who is the Holy Spirit.
Being born of the Spirit is regeneration. Salvation. Being born again.
Being "born," either physically or spiritually, is God calling your name and command you to "come forth." First that happens to you on earth in the flesh, as your form emerges out of chaos or nothingness. Then it happens to you in the spiritual domain if and when the Lord bequests salvation to you. In this typology, interestingly, blood and fire are symbolically related.
Amen.. We must be born again
The Jews had made their identity in the uniqueness of the event of being saved by God instead of in the power of God’s grace by the act of deliverance. They were in a sense taking the spot light away from God and placing it on their own shoulders seeing as they were so important in their own eyes they assigned unauthorized authority to pronounce laws,. They will need to humble themselves and see that it is God alone who sends the spirit if you ask for it the correct way. You can’t take it, it must be received as a gift. Christ then lives in you because you realize that he did everything you couldn’t possibly do. The greatest humility event a person can have. God takes care of our Pride once and for all and you have peace. Thank You Yeshua you have saved me from my physical death.
Why do you guys do this? I've started seeing this thing in other comments. Why do you call Jesus Yeshua? I know that is in the Hebrew language, but why? What is this need, what is this mentality that if you say His name differently it does what? Separate you, make you different? What is it? Or how instead of God, you say Yahweh.
@@pitAlexx ...
Pride... nothing less.
@pitAlex semantics
We miss you already Dr. Heiser
Wow! Leave it to Mike to figure this stuff out. I didn't even think of the Exodus.
That is because it had nothing to do with the Exodus and little to do with baptism. Mike is sometimes right but this is not one of them. He is taking something very simple and making it hard. Jesus is talking about two births not two baths, and even Nicodemus understands that much. Mike comes around most of the way at the end. Being born a Jew OR to Christian parents does not save you. You must have a second birth by choosing to repent and submit to Jesus as God, Boss, and Savior and being baptized by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as a result of that submission. The first birth is natural childbirth, not water baptism nor a symbolic passing through the Red Sea. The Israelites did not even get wet in the Red Sea. And John's water baptism was not symbolic of the Exodus either. It symbolized repentance, submission, and washing away sins. We still err in thinking there are still 2 baptisms because we read Mark 1:8 through the lens of tradition. John plainly says that Jesus' baptism is NOT of water but rather of Spirit alone. Paul in Eph 4:5 says there is only one baptism.
Beautiful! Thankyou!
I love Dr. Mike’s work, but he is totally missing the Jewish context of the mikveh in this discussion. It was-and is-said that when a person comes up from the waters of the mikveh, they are ‘like a person born again.’ This is why Jesus was astonished that a Pharisee like Nicodemus wouldn’t get the reference.
I understand how Dr. Mike is trying to connect this with the New Covenant, and the need for salvation beyond ‘Torah keeping’ and Jewish ethnic identity, but he’s missing some of the most important paradigms here. It’s ALL ABOUT Israel. We Gentiles, upon entering the New Covenant, are ADOPTED INTO Israel.
Remove that satanic star of remphan from your profile, it will help your argument.
physical people of Jacob... spiritual people of Israel...
so Ive seen it stated before, and worth some consideration, i think...
Thank you Sir!
Great insight Dr Heiser. We miss you.
I love spiritual talk and I COUNT what you have to say worthy of consideration
Makes perfect sense.
Israel thought the kingdom of God was theirs by physical birth. Jesus said no. Physical birth gave you rights Canaan - the promised land but a second birth aka spiritual birth will grant you access into the kingdom of God which is more glorious than Canaan.
Dr. Mike is making sense because after the Exodus or water reference, the bronze snake motif is introduced as a shadow with Jesus’ death as the more powerful solution to sin’s venomous bite. It fits perfectly.
All we need is to repent and accept our lord Jesus Christ and do His will is what matters, nothing else.
What if the water is TEARS of repentance?
There is no reason to give water in Jn.3:5 a foreign meaning. It wasn't until Calvin who was the first to give it a foreign meaning and even admitted to it.
Nicodemus had "rejected the counsel of God not being baptized of John" (Lk.7:29).
But for those who submitted to John's baptism, Jesus promised would "go" into the kingdom (Mt.21-31-32).
Keeping in context where born of water is baptism, Jesus continued to explain, "that which is born of the flesh is flesh," is the baptismal ceremony when our bodies/flesh is baptized, which is visible. Were born of the Spirit is invisible, as the blowing of the wind, the reception of the Spirit, the forgiveness of sins.
Peter does a wonderful job in explaining how one is born of water and Spirit.
"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever" (1Pt.1:22-23).
Peter is speaking to Christians, those who have obeyed the gospel (Mk.16:16).
First notice our souls are purified when we obey the truth, through the Spirit.
Not when we believe, but when we obey the truth. Being born again by the Word of God.
The Holy Spirit works on our hearts through the Word of God, when we obey the truth, our souls are purified/forgiven.
So, when Jesus was warning Nicodemus, the Holy Spirit was working through his words, the truth.
If Nicodemus heeded Jesus warning and was baptized that night or the following day, he was born again.
"Unless a man is born of water (baptism/obedience) and of the Spirit (through the Word of truth), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
(See Acts 11:14).
So many people are confused thinking that born of the Spirit is either Holy Spirit Baptism, or receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Later on Pentecost is when Nicodemus would enter the kingdom and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a different subject.
Wow - thank you Heiser! I beleive you are on to something here, the exodus is for sure a connection Nicodemus should have made, and the making of a people through water is very much related to baptism as well! And the exodus view also give us one more reason why Jesus as our savior got baptized by John (one of many reasons). Note that the next chapter in John is about baptism.
This inspired me to revisit the Genesis flood, and noticed the same contrast of death by water (7:11-24) and the waters' abatement after God caused a wind to blow over the earth (8:1) -- just another little puzzle-piece falling into place, so thank you for that. : )
I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser -
But this is a bit “off”.
He’s teaching that “what if being born of water (and of spirit) - to see the Kingdom “ equates to coming through the Red Sea???
If I heard correctly - Heiser states that “what if born of water alludes to the Exodus event of going through the Red Sea?”
As much as Michael Heiser knows and understands, and as brilliant as Michael is - (I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - so this is not an attack)
But this teaching is a bit “off”.
“Born of water “ is alluding to having come through the FLOOD of Noah’s day
Because only if you were “born of water” in this manner - are you HUMAN - born of Adam
To see the Kingsom you must be an actual human being and born of the Spirit - which makes you reborn. Born of the “second Adam”
And you can’t be “reborn” if you are of serpent seed. God’s Spirit will not dwell among the Nephilim.
With all due respect (and I really do mean that), where in either Christian, or Jewish writing is that interpretation ever provided? Where do the rabbis say that the Exodus was the birth of Israel? What ancient (or modern for that matter) Christian scholars write that your interpretation of both the Exodus event, and Jesus word's to Nicodemus, are related in some way? You assert a connection, but as far as I can tell, demonstrate no Biblical or Historical evidence to support it? I am not disagreeing with you, I just want to know how you arrived at that conclusion, because honestly, it seems to come out of thin air.
Dr. Heiser does present his interpretation as speculative, not a "conclusion".
How would Exodus not be the birth though? And the New Testament compares baptism and the spirit in Christianity with crossing the split waters of the Exodus and following the pillar of fire
@@rodinalmondbloom8562 I really don't know why you are addressing your remarks to me Oliver. I know perfectly well that Dr. Heiser is thoroughly unimpeachable, an exemplary scholar and engaging teacher of scripture and a devoted Christian. I too appreciate the merits of his insights, speculative or otherwise and have not criticised him in any way. I merely pointed out to The Real Killer B that he could not characterise Dr. Heiser's "What if...?" as a conclusion when it is clearly posited as an idea to be examined.
If you actually intended your comment for someone else here, you might want to repost it @ that particular person.
I can totally see what he means.... he's drawing analogies isn't he? I think it makes sense if you read the whole bible in context, take an overview and also let the Word take root in your heart.... It really does make sense to me, both theologically and experientially. God bless
@@believewithyourheart5627 I've never heard Dr. Heiser say anything that doesn't make sense.
I like the theory that it's talking about the resurrection. Now we are sons of man, born of a woman and dust. At the resurrection we are born again, born of the spirit of God and water becoming sons of God. For Nicodemus to see the 2nd coming of Jesus and the kingdom of heaven that he brings with him, he would need to be resurrected from the dead.
I agree. In verse 10 Jesus chastises Nicodemus for being a "teacher of Israel" and not knowing about the need to be "born again" to enter the kingdom. Where in the Old Testament does it speak of being "born again" with regard to a spiritual conversion experience? If "born again" really means a spiritual conversion experience, then Jesus comes across as a real Jerk in expecting Nicodemus to have known where in the Old Testament it's taught when it's not really there. But if "born again" is really about the resurrection, then in Isaiah 26:19 (ESV) we read, "the earth will give birth to the dead." This is in the immediate context of a pregnant woman metaphor about the resurrection. Nicodemus was a Pharisee. Isaiah 26 is the most explicit (and the first) OT text that teaches about the resurrection. Nicodemus, being a Pharisee, should have recognized "born again" from Isaiah 26. But to enter the kingdom it's not just a matter of being resurrected. It's a matter of being resurrected into what Paul calls a "spiritual body" in his resurrection chapter of 1 Corinthians 15. I think Paul is referring back to the words of Jesus in using the term "spiritual body." Daniel 12:2 echoes and expands upon Isaiah 26. "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake..." "Many" means not all. Of those who are resurrected, some are resurrected to everlasting life. Others are resurrected without everlasting life. "Many" means that some are not resurrected. In these OT context verses, Jesus is saying that you must be born again into a "spiritual body" of everlasting life to enter the kingdom.
Then what does this say about us non Jews? We are not born from the water as you explain, solely from the Spirit. What are the implications of that?
Yeah, and Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of Israel.As a non Jew, not sure Jesus was even including us.
@@jsims1617 He focused on Israel while on earth, but He called to bring the Gospel to *all the nations* of the earth. Acts testifies on the proclamation of Jesus to the gentiles.
Thomas. Doc Heiser well knows his "speculation" as some have called it is absurdly wrong. If you listen carefully all the way through, he finally says that water symbolizes natural birth and the spiritual birth is accepting Christ. The intro was just clickbait for the sake of clickbait and as such was evil. Most inovations are going to be wrong and heretical. The truth is very old.
Powerful message!!!!! Thank you!!!! God bless you dear brother in Christ😃
Because baptism by water,(burial in water) is the instruction by Peter in Acts, along with repentance, it seems consistent that baptism is the water part of the birth our Lord was teaching. Noah was saved by water which represents baptism, which now saves us, 1 Peter 3:21, Israel was saved through water, by going into the Red Sea on dry ground , they were all baptized together, into Moses, not Jesus. 1 Corinthians 10:2. We are instructed to be baptized into Jesus, and we will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, which is the new birth. We rise to walk in newness of life, because in baptism we are buried into death, to put off our earthly self and put on Jesus, who is our life. -- why make it complicated. Repent and be baptized every one of you and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. -- born from above. Acts 2:38
This is truth. I believe there has to be predestination for this. It's all meant to be.
Foreknowledge is not predestination. Certain events I believe were predestined.
I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser -
But this is a bit “off”.
He’s teaching that “what if being born of water (and of spirit) - to see the Kingdom “ equates to coming through the Red Sea???
If I heard correctly - Heiser states that “what if born of water alludes to the Exodus event of going through the Red Sea?”
As much as Michael Heiser knows and understands, and as brilliant as Michael is - (I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - so this is not an attack)
But this teaching is a bit “off”.
“Born of water “ is alluding to having come through the FLOOD of Noah’s day
Because only if you were “born of water” in this manner - are you HUMAN - born of Adam
To see the Kingsom you must be an actual human being and born of the Spirit - which makes you reborn. Born of the “second Adam”
And you can’t be “reborn” if you are of serpent seed. God’s Spirit will not dwell among the Nephilim.
I'm pretty sure it's about being born of the waters above. Jesus walked on water. The saints in revelation walk on a sea of glass. Its all in the puzzle :)
@@JFCG Heiser made it clear his presentation was something to think about. He knows all about the traditional interpretations, but he's saying...Hey take a look at this and see what you think. He is not presenting it as absolute just food for thought.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I understand that. And I’m saying he didn’t go back far enough. He looking at the wrong “through the water “. And that is likely because Heiser has taught that he believes that the flood was only in certain locations. The reason for that is because ITS ImPOSsIBLE to have a total flood on a spinning ball in a vacuum of space.
The 2nd Exodus.
YAHUSHA went through egypt/mitsarim.
The 6th Seal generates the holy highway.
Between the 6th to the 7th seal, the 144,000 are each having a mount Sinai experience.
HAMASHIACH knew he had to die because the nations that forsake Torah are seed of the watchers.
HAMASHIACH cannot coexist with the seed of the rebelious watchers.
This is a deeper wisdom which pertains to the end of the milinennial reign.
What if....
the water IS actually referring in total context to baptism, in which Jesus Himself modeled for the people, especially since we are given the understanding that the Pharisees and "experts" in the law "rejected God's plan for themselves" because they rejected John's call of repentance through baptism? (See Luke 7:30)
This is especially likely since the convo took place between Jesus and Nicodemus, the Pharisee....
AND at the end of that same chapter in John 3, baptism is referred to there for its specific relevance in this, as well as the first three verses of chapter 4 referring to Jesus getting away for a while because He knew the Pharisees were actually seeing His own disciples baptizing more Jews than even John was.
Also, the Exodus was NEVER a "type" of new birth, but only a type of God's deliverance, a foreshadowing of His salvation being followed by trial and sanctification.
The Israelite name was given to all the genetic descendants of Jacob, of whom we know MOST were not true Israel.
Israel was born of water through the Red Sea. And in a sense, Israel was born spiritually through the wilderness, as the ‘old self’ was slowly killed off and the new self slowly trained.
Excellent insight! Nicodemus was apparently unfamiliar with the notion of “spirit”, it being an invisible force, because of the analogy Jesus had to use about the wind and its indirect effects. How could Nicodemus have no understanding of “Spirit”? Could it be that Jesus had to fore-mention the events to come that would precede the coming of the Holy Spirit? Did they really have no experience with the Spirit before Jesus?
I could be remembering it wrong but I thought he was confused about the notion of “being born again” not of the spirit.
The Jews/Israelites were very familiar with the spirit realm. Think you're living 2,000 years ago and someone tells you that you must be born again. That'd throw a wrench in your head. I always felt that the text made it obvious Nicodemus hung up thinking natural physical process.
@Pond3r Thiz I agree, the plan of Salvation is SIMPLE. Let's not pick it to pieces...making it difficult and twisted. This kind of stuff is what the evil one loves to do, for he is the father of lies, (like a roaring Lion) only coming to steal, kill and destroy! We all can get so side-tracked, but during this time we MUST be concentrated on praying for the lost and luke-warm, for He desires that none should perish. He said His people perish for a lack of knowledge, He relayed His plan that is simple>>>call on Him, repent and be saved.
Even Jesus>Yeshua was baptized by JtB, BUT told them they would later be baptized in the Holy Spirit. There was NO doubt about ANY of the reasons we are to be baptized in water and then in the Spirit. Let's be like the children He spoke of in Matthew...
Of course this is only my opinion and do not welcome ANY hateful comments or replies. Blessings, love and peace to all:)
Interesting idea, but I’m not certain about it
That is why Acts 7 says that the church was in the wilderness (Israel/Church) they were redeemed by the blood on the door post and baptized unto Moshe in the sea. So the church did not start at Peter's sermon. Paul in 1 Cor. 10 says that God was not well pleased with them as an example to believer's to not be in unbelief.
Jesus is the water!!!
The living water...
I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser -
But this is a bit “off”.
He’s teaching that “what if being born of water (and of spirit) - to see the Kingdom “ equates to coming through the Red Sea???
If I heard correctly - Heiser states that “what if born of water alludes to the Exodus event of going through the Red Sea?”
As much as Michael Heiser knows and understands, and as brilliant as Michael is - (I’ve learned a lot from Michael Mike Heiser - so this is not an attack)
But this teaching is a bit “off”.
“Born of water “ is alluding to having come through the FLOOD of Noah’s day
Because only if you were “born of water” in this manner - are you HUMAN - born of Adam
To see the Kingsom you must be an actual human being and born of the Spirit - which makes you reborn. Born of the “second Adam”
And you can’t be “reborn” if you are of serpent seed. God’s Spirit will not dwell among the Nephilim.
Furthermore...
To illustrate this a little more. Jesus said “repent and believe”
Repentance comes from being convicted by the Spirit.
Belief and grace come by Jesus Christ.
“BORN AGAIN.”
@@JFCG this teaching is very foreign to scripture.
No. Jesus is the “bread of life!” Holy Spirit is called living water - Jesus is also called “the light of the world “. Please don’t take this as an attack - that is not my intent. Buy Jesus is not living water.
@@sarahlynn4790 which teaching ? What I wrote ? If you think this - you err because You don’t know the scriptures then.
What does it say in Genesis 3:15 ?
Then in Genesis 6 - why did the Most High flood the earth? To fully understand these things - YOU MUST KNOW the scriptures. And I’m not referring to what most Christians keep themselves to. I’m speaking of including Enoch, Jasher - and the like. If you don’t include these understandings - you don’t understand what’s happening in the world - and why.
The exodus from the old into the new covenant.
Did you consider that since Jesus reiterates, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” He is referring to water and flesh as part of creation? After all Peter said, “the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,” 2 Pet 3:5. Man was formed from the dust of the ground which was created from out of water. Genesis 2:7
Thank you for this message. I have Jewish relatives that need to understand this.
No you don't. This is wrong. The Exodus is noy the birth by water.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 Oh, but I do! If you knew me at all, and you don't--you would never say that I don't have Jews in my family.
Heiser is correct. God knew long ago after the Fall that Man could not fully adhere to the Law. Jesus came because it is not sufficent for a Jew to be compliant to Mosaic Law. Why? Only Jesus can lay claim to have kept the Law perfectly. His death and resurrection fulfilled God's promise to repair the rift between Man and God. Messianic Jews understand this truth. In time, most Orthodox Jews will know the truth and accept Christ as the Messiah. Only those that are followers of Christ and accept his Deity will find eternal life.
Jesus came for all of mankind, both Jew and Gentile! It Grace, (Jesus work on the cross) through faith in Christ that provides our Salvation...NOT our WORKS which was the point of Mosaic Law. Jesus came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfil it and make a new covenant with us (Mankind).
@@redit5332 I did not say you did not have Jews in your family (surely you know that), or that they don't need to know the good news that Jesus is and was the Messiah that died for their sons, BUT Heiser's teaching on born of water being the Exodus is dead wrong and will lead them away from not towards Jesus.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 Pfft. Now you are gaslighting. I and others that read your comment to me would come to the same conclusion for my original comment on this thread was, and I quote, "Thank you for this message. I have Jewish relatives that need to understand this."
Regardless, if you have a differing opinion--it need not be addressed in reply to me, but in a separate comment and well supplied with FACTS, to justify YOUR opinion. So far, your comments to me do not sway me, nor would they sway my Jewish relatives.
Followers of Christ are to witness to others about Christ, and with the help of the Holy Spirit through prayer-- they will have a change of heart and learn the truth...this will happen up to mid-Tribulation and then God will harden apostates hearts to quicken the coming of His Kingdom on earth. There are many Messianic Jews out there that have accepted Christ as their Messiah and there will be countless more. There are approximately 175,000 to 250,000 Messianic Jews in the U.S, and about 10,000 to 20,000 living in Israel. Heiser's teachings are just one way out of a multitude to do that very thing. After that...it's up to the Holy Spirit to enlighten to the truth. The Holy Spirit is the trump card, not the person witnessing! Never underestimate Him. Have a good evening and God bless.
Jesus makes it pretty simple but people want to make it complicated.
What if it simply means you have to get baptized in water for the remission of your sins, and receive the Holy Spirit with the laying on of hands, just like was demonstrated time and time again in Acts :/
Because baptism just isn't in view in the passage, but Mosaic typology is.
@@spitfiremase the problem is. People swallow this garbage that “born of water” is born of their mother’s womb, when Jesus specifically says it had nothing to do with that.
So many people are believing the gospel is “believe and you are saved” not “repent and be baptized”
@@spitfiremase then why does John continue on in verse 22 to tell us after this conversation Jesus took his disciples to a remote place with much water to baptize them and spend time with them. The conversation with Nicodemus is told to us to explain why Jesus baptized his disciples.
Maybe we should also consider the interpretation of the intelligent, zealous Christians who lived closer in time to the apostles (like within a generation or two). Here are some 2nd century quotations all before 200 A.D. taken from the Ante-Nicene Fathers collection which all involve the verses in question (John 3:3 & John 3:5) or allusions to them:
Justin Martyr: "I will also relate the manner in which we dedicated ourselves to God when we had been made new through Christ; lest, if we omit this, we seem to be unfair in the explanation we are making. As many as are persuaded and believe that what we teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, are instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past-we praying and fasting with them. Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For in the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, 'Except ye be born again, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.'….And for this [rite] we have learned from the apostles this reason: since at our [physical] birth we were born without our own knowledge or choice, by our parents coming together, and were brought up in bad habits and wicked training; in order that we may not remain the children of necessity and of ignorance, but may become the children of choice and knowledge, and may obtain in the water the remission of sins formerly committed, there is pronounced over him who chooses to be born again, and has repented of his sins, the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe (he who leads to the laver the person that is to be washed calling him by this name alone)…And this washing is called illumination, because they who learn these things are illuminated in their understandings. And in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and in the name of the Holy Ghost, who through the prophets foretold all things about Jesus, he who is illuminated is washed. (c.160 A.D., ANF Vol. 1, p. 183)
Irenaeus: "'And dipped himself,' says [Scripture], 'seven times in Jordan.' It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [it served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions; being spiritually regenerated as new-born babes, even as the Lord has declared: 'Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.'" (c.180 A.D., ANF Vol. 1, p. 574)
Theophilus: "Moreover, the things proceeding from the waters were blessed by God, that this also might be a sign of man's being destined to receive repentance and remission of sins, through the water and laver of regeneration-as many as come to the truth, and are born again, and receive blessing from God." (c.180 A.D., ANF Vol. 2, p. 101)
Clement of Alexandria: "He [Jesus] thus wishes us to turn ourselves again and become as children who have come to know the true Father and are reborn through water by a generation different from birth in the created world." (c.195 A.D., ANF Vol. 2, p. 397)
Tertullian: "…the prescript is laid down that 'without baptism, salvation is attainable by none' (chiefly on the ground of that declaration of the Lord, who says, 'Unless one be born of water, he hath not life')…" (c.198 A.D., ANF Vol. 3, p. 674-675)
Tertullian: "For the law of baptizing has been imposed, and the formula prescribed: 'Go,' He saith, 'teach the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.' The comparison with this law of that definition, 'Unless a man have been reborn of water and Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of the heavens,' has tied faith to the necessity of baptism." (c.198 A.D., ANF Vol. 3, p. 676)
What does water represent to the gentile? Water AND Spirit
just listen to the music,,,,, every man woman and child has ears........
"Well dude, like, thats just like, your opinion, man." - Dude Lebowski. Then goes on to have a horrible day of debochary. You're great Dr. Mike. A brother in Christ showed me who you are and it opened my eyes even more, knowing English is pretty much a language of law and word screwery. I am starting to try to learn Hebrew for the past year of being sober and saved. Thank you for what you do.
Word screwery. Yes, and people are word screwers by and large. I second your gratitude to Dr. Mike and commend you on your efforts to get to the bottom of it all by learning Hebrew as well as quoting the Dude, who is never irrelevant.
Jesus is referring to Ezekiel 36. That's why he chides Nicodemus about not knowing the scriptures!
First, let’s correct our references. A Jew is one from the southern kingdom (which only included the tribe of Judah and Benjamin, and technically Benjamites, are not Jews, but their division of land was within the kingdom of Judah. I know Dr. Heiser knows this, so presumably he is just using common reference, but this perpetuates error in thinking and Biblical understanding. The northern kingdom consistent of ten tribes, and YHWH divorced them because of their adultery (the extent of it - every single one of their kings was rebellious).
The Spirit descended upon the faithful followers of YHWH many times according to Tanakh. What is unique in the renewed covenant is how it is written on our hearts.
What possible reason could there be to think that being born of water refers to the exodus? Someone else in the comments thinks it refers to Noah and the flood. How many other what if's can we come up with. What if it refers to all the water bound up in the clouds and when the temperature changes they birth all that water to the earth. John 3:6 the verse after Jesus says you must be born of water and the spirit, say flesh gives birth to flesh and the Spirit gives birth to spirit. What if flesh giving birth to flesh refers to being born of water, would that not be the most obvious meaning. What about those of us that didn't have the opportunity to be part of the Exodus. All of us have been born into this world and have participated in sinning against God and therefore will die, but because God loves us he has made it possible to have a restored relationship with God by being born of His Spirit when we believe in the one God sent who is Jesus Christ. That is the important part of the conversation with Nicodemus. This idea seems to be the product of a fertile imagination. I read a number of comments where people are so enamored with this what if that they think all their friends must be enlightened with this new what if truth. Seems like Christians today are looking for new ideas to tickle their ears. I'm not suggesting that this idea is a dangerous heresy, it's just silly.
God has metaphors for everything in every way He sees it'll best communicate his or as Dr Heiser says, " telegraph" 😊 his message 🤔
That’s how people fall into the “ new age” ways of thinking and get lead astray. Trying to make Everything in the Word metaphysical or metaphorical...
Damn mike tell me how it is with that intro lol
also tied to the ground on where you stand...........
What if born and of water refers to our common origins, not just of Israel but of humanity (thus of all peoples)? “Gen: 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters… 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.” The deliverance of the “nation” is limited to “the nation” as was Jesus’ primary/immediate mission; but I am a Gentile three time over by heritage … I belong to “Adam1” as do “all” … so I think it wise to shake the shackles of the nation if we are going to preach the Gospel to the nations.
I've just learned of you Dr. Heiser, I love the fresh, highly educated perspectives. What I don't like... was reading through all the comments, OMG! I think I'm getting a rash. It seems like a bunch of the commenters disagree with you. Many of them don't think that the Exodus is a biblical picture of a carnal rebirth event.
So, coming out of bondage doesn't qualify...?
Going through the Red Sea doesn't count? Hello?
Even though Paul tells us that's exactly what it is?
1 Corinth. 10:1
I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud, and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
The Typology, Symbolism, and the delightful recognition of Allegory are so long-awaited in the body of Christ. Keep up the awesome work. You're making Paul the Apostle smile.
No of emus was obviously thinking Jesus meant physical birth otherwise why did he ask how he was supposed to return to the womb. I believe Heiser is reaching here and coming up with his own interpretation apart from scripture.
Quite wrong. The reference is to Ezekiel 36:24-27.
Some of you might find this to be interesting, which are two replies I wrote a few days ago to two different people, the first being a false prophet whose RUclips name is "Prophet Bradley" who said in his defensive and argumentative reply: "I AM CHOSEN AND ANOINTED BY GOD ALMIGHTY." The second is a reply I made about an hour later to a lady named Kelly Powell who said she believes that the spirit of Elijah has been poured out. Here's my (edited) reply to "Prophet Bradley":
Prophet Bradley ~ So, you're "CHOSEN AND ANOINTED BY GOD ALMIGHTY" eh? That doesn't equate seeing as how you're posting religious videos on RUclips, which is a Satanic medium like TV that has been set up by the kingdom of darkness overlords (aka fallen angels/principalities per Ephesians 6:12 in the King James Version) for the purpose of deceiving and controlling millions of Christians who are devoid of spiritual discernment (people like yourself for example).
About four years ago a Christian prophet ( a real one) posted a comment in reply to a RUclips video that was posted by a so-called 'prophet' saying that the Lord had just recently said to him:
"No Christian prophet will post a video on RUclips, or will allow himself to be interviewed in any RUclips video, or will go on TV for any reason."
In case you may have some difficulty figuring it out, what this means is that all of the so-called 'prophets' who are posting videos on RUclips are false prophets (people like yourself for example).
The reason Christian prophets (real ones) are so often ignored, opposed, ridiculed, vilified, rejected, and sometimes killed, is because their messages are so opposite of the sweetsie-sweet and nicie-nice 'prophecies' so many Christians have been being weaned on for years and years and have become addicted to. You can tell the truth of that by reading the comments to the false prophets' worthless videos.
Sometimes when I look through the comments people post throwing roses at the false teachers and false prophets and lauding them to the skies, it almost makes me wonder if most Christians in Western Culture have lost their minds (besides having lost their spiritual discernment long ago, or never had it to begin with).
You're obviously totally convinced that you're anointed by the Holy Spirit. You're delusional. The spirit you're dealing with, who you think is the Holy Spirit, is in fact a religious spirit who has been carefully groomed by the kingdom of darkness overlords to know how to mimic the Holy Spirit, and you have swallowed the deception hook, line, and sinker.
The worst thing about it is that the religious spirit controlling you has rights to blind you spiritually so that you can't be told about your spiritual condition. In other words, you're permanently stuck in one hell of a mess spiritually. I'd hate to be in your shoes. End of my reply to him.
Here's my (edited) reply to Kelly Powell:
Kelly Powell ~ Dear Kelly, I assume you meant to say "Spirit of Elijah move poured out..." If you think that then you've obviously never seen an outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
You might find this to be interesting (probably not, but oh well):
One night back in the fall of 2017 at around 11:00 in the evening right as I was getting ready to turn off the light and lie down to go to sleep, I prayed and asked the Lord to please send the end-time outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and he immediately replied to me speaking to me in my spirit and he said:
"Many of my people are praying and asking me to send renewal, but when the outpouring comes they aren't going to like it."
That was all he said. I waited to hear if he would say more but he didn't. But he did open my understanding to understand that the reason they aren't going to like it is because it is going to be so totally different than the milquetoast spiritual atmosphere they've been being acclimated to for most of their lives (and which they love) that they won't be able to relate to it and will be afraid of it and will reject it. Also because with much Holy Spirit power comes much spiritual responsibility, and even though hardly any of them would admit it, most Christians want nothing to do with serious spiritual responsibility.
With their ears itching profusely (per 2 Timothy 4:3-4 in the King James Version) they opt to run to 'professionals' (i.e. so-called 'prophets') to do for them what they should be doing for themselves spiritually which leaves them totally powerless spiritually. Plus the outpouring will expose where everyone is at spiritually, and most Christians want none of that.
The end-time outpouring of the Holy Spirit (that is foretold in scripture) is going to be so radically powerful that most Christians won't be able to relate to it and will be afraid of it and will reject it. That is exactly what happened to millions of American and Canadian Christians during the mid-90's outpouring of the Holy Spirit (what became known as "The Toronto Outpouring of the Holy Spirit"). It was so much more powerful than anything they had ever seen before that it frightened them and they rejected it (and many of them vilified it saying it was "Of the Devil" thus blaspheming the Holy Spirit and possibly sealing their fate).
Then after they rejected it they went on with no anointing of the Holy Spirit on their lives to engage in all sorts of religious soul power do-gooder agendas to try to compensate for the feeling of spiritual powerlessness they were feeling (on a subconscious level mostly). But what they inadvertently succeeded in doing was to create the spiritual atmosphere (vacuum) that made it easy for the religious spirits to walk into and to prop up this battalion of false teachers and false prophets on RUclips. It's all very sad. End of my reply to Kelly.
One last thing, having to do with the prophecy the Christian prophet posted denigrating and exposing RUclips:
About seven years ago on a hot summer day at around 2:00 in the afternoon I came in the house and started digging around in my desk drawers looking for a piece of paper with someone's phone number on it (I think maybe it was my auto mechanic's phone number), and as I was digging around in one of the drawers, out of the blue the Lord spoke to me in my spirit and he said:
"Prophecy isn't for everyone. Most Christians say they believe in prophecy, and they think they do, but they don't really."
That blew my mind because at that moment I wasn't thinking about anything having anything to do with spiritual things.
Ok I get this rebirth, but not sure about seeing the kingdom of God. Is that now after rebirth or after earthly death or at the end times?
What if passing through the waters of the Exodus signified the birth of the nation of Israel? I didn't even listen to this, but what if the meaning and significance of these things: born of water from the womb, rebirth in baptism, and the Exodus are all connected by the Author and Creator. What if mentally masturbating theologians can't see the forest for the trees?
Also, the creation.
Dr. Heiser stopped too soon with John Chapter 3. Verse 22 is the punch line verse to Jesus's conversation with Nicodemus. While there are lots of parallels in the Bible, verse 22 makes it clear what Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus. In verse 22 we are told Jesus took his disciples to a remote area with lots of water to baptize them and spend time with them. We see in John Chapter 4 that the disciples then began carrying out the baptisms in water. In the last chapter of Matthew Jesus gives a very clear set of instructions to his disciples. 1. Go and teach everyone 2. Make disciples baptizing them into the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit 3. Teach them to keep these commands. The book of Acts is the record of disciples carrying out this set of instructions. In every instance of conversion the people were baptized in water. Romans 6 and I Peter 3 explain what takes place during water baptism. No difficult to understand hidden meanings. If we do what Jesus said to do he promises to be with us. The opposite is also true, if we don't keep Jesus's commands we are on our own.
born of water = womb
Born of spirit = God
Explained when Jesus said a person is born once physically and must be born spiritually. Simple. Nothing to do with splashing h2o on your face.
@Greg, I think what Heiser is saying that Jesus is giving insight to Nicodemus in revealing a truth that being a part of Israel is not enough to see God's kingdom but the Spirit that will be sent at pentecost will enable those who receive him to see the kingdom of God.
I'm also thinking that in a like way, what Jesus is saying also parallels the creation story and the need that arose when Adam and Eve sinned. That first fleshly birth was not enough. The interruption of sin resulted in being blocked by God from partaking of the tree of life. Mankind's only prospect at that time was death.
But God intervened by offering a second birth - one that takes place after death takes its toll. Similarly, Jesus, after He died and rose again, offered a new breath of the Spirit into mankind to rekindle a second, lasting birth.
Just riffing off some parallel thoughts that occurred to me. Mike's perspective is more in line with the text and the Nicodemus encounter, I believe. Nonetheless, the parallelisms in the imagery seem to echo in waves through various parts of the Bible.
🤔🙃 interesting to hear ( and I agree with ) We MUST be BORN AGAIN, with that being said 🤔 hear and understand, fully what Ha-shem is doing 🤔🤔😳He or Ye-hua gave us an example by eating fish 🙄🙄
Give thanks 🤔
Enjoy the flesh 🤔
Watch out for the bones 😳
It is great and nourishing to receive good food 😀🙏🙏
May Ha-shem bless ( reward ) All the talmudium of Ye-hua 🤔 which at the moment there are about 8 billion people living on this planet Earth 🤔and less than 5% would call themselves as talmudium 😳 which is also (above other things ) is the BRIDE of Ye-hua. 🕎🌎🌍🌏✝️
Exodus 12 v 38 declares that Israel was a Mixed Multitude!
Not until the elitist attitude seeped in through religious pride was ethnicity anything.
Jacob himself had 4 different women produce the 12 sons
Family lines were only important really to identify messiah
Being born of water was understood as physical
Being born Again was a milestone in life
Bar mitzvah, marriage, priesthood,
Jesus as The last Adam is opening up The Way to The Father
The baptism in The 🕊Holy Spirit 🔥
Im grateful for this. My brethren just cant seem to get ahold of this truth. But I believe the days are coming where the Book of Hebrews will unlock the New Testament for my brethren.
Could this also be True? God refers to lsrael as his son, for in Israel was his only begotten, Jesus Christ. Hebrews 10. OUR SAVIOR.
I do not like this presentation at all because it is very misleading especially to those who knows very little about the Bible. I understand this presentation as a kind of hypothesis( another way of looking at things), not to disprove water and Holy Spirit baptism.
And being born of water and Spirit is the totality of Yahweh’s plan of redemption to both Jews and Gentiles.
I wonder if Dr Heiser have teachings on Joel chapter 2.
A lesson so needed THANK YOU
..........."The Kingdom of God is AT HAND" Guys, it's NOT A PLACE YOU GO WHEN YOU DIE! ..and Jesus never taught it that way, ....it's the process of sanctification, it's baptism of the Holy Spirit, a status you can experience now in this life, one of obedience to LORD Jesus, IN CHRIST. But it takes time to become sanctified in Christ, most seem to not be able to be there consistently.
Water and spirit. Water of the womb, Spirit of God. Water of baptism also refers to the death that occurred in the flood of Noah’s time. Where all died in the flood but only the ones who trusted in God lived. We die in the waters, our old selves die and are risen in life with Christ.
That’s biblical.
The body of Christ doesn't have to be water baptized.
@@BrownBrown270
I said it refers to it, not that it’s necessarily necessary, but nothing should be holding a Christian back from getting baptized. There should be a desire to be baptized.
Type and shadow veiling baptism and also all three were represented at the crucifixion as well .
Bike comes to the right conclusion, but the way it gets there’s all wrong. John had no idea about going through the red sea. We mentioned this clearly if you read John three it goes physical, spiritual, physical, spiritual, physical, spiritual when it came time to water it was physical. John is talking about the water of the womb and of the spirit of God, all he was telling Demus was by this context being a physical was not enough you have to believe in me as a savior to be a spiritual due. That’s all he was saying all that other nonsense is just that nonsense. I love Mike he was a good man, but he had the bad habit of interpreting the New Testament through the Old Testament just like other people try to interpret the Old Testament through the New Testament, he had the opposite law because he was an old testament scholar so I get it here in many other places. Mike has very flawed views right in front of you. I don’t know why he can’t see that.
The bible negates Dr heiser.
Mat 5 17
do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them ( I dont have new covenant)
Like 4 43
I must proclaim the good news of the(foretold) kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent( I do not have new covenant)."
So , there is no new covenant , God does not change his mind, and God have already established his covenant with the seed ofAbraham, Ishmael and Issac., and jesus virgin birth is the clue that children of Ismael ( 12 rulers ) are the ones who will usher in the kingdom of God that jesu was preaching.
Or? Could Jesus have been speaking ontology? Resurrection
OT son = israel NT son = all nations
Egypt = Mitzrayim = Place of restriction and confinement... aka. the womb. Thus, out of Egypt a nation was born.
I feel like you have a blind spot via Christian indoctrination. I like you because you are often able to confront these blind spots. I want to challenge you to look through a Jew's perspective when you are talking about being born of the spirit. To a Jew, the birth of the spirit is the beginning of life. Life does not happen without a spirit being born into a body. also, a jew perceives themselves to be born with a godly soul companion inherited by lineage that communes with god. To a Jew, this theological statement would essentially say absolutely nothing. a mere truism.
Very well written Yoseph 🕎🌎🌍🌏✝️
isn't the world flood in noah's time tha baptism for the world and judgement day is the world's spiritual baptism?
No. The world flood was judgement on a wicked world. The coming judgement day is the final one.
@@sunnydaze1185 the judgement was death, baptism by water is to simulate death and rebirth, just like the world after the flood, there was a rebirth
and your theolagy,is the only thing that will drive you mad......
6:11 Well yeah because you have to be Faithfull to the old and the new yes? "Do not think that i have come here to destroy the LAW or the PROPHETS. For i have come to fulfill them." - Yeshua, that's what we are talking about, and is it not saying that you still need to strive to follow the laws and too follow the new? I mean to do every law is pretty hard if not impossible for most, for all but 1/3rd roughly most likely. But if they are not destroyed then they are still in play and you should attempt to do them as much as you can should you not? which is why i use strive meaning to try to your utmost ability, I've never really heard no with sound reasoning I've heard no with belief or feelings, which should not solely control man, But its why i ask because i hope you can give that satisfactory answer at some point. The closest i have caught you to it , is your belief which i respect and i believe its not unfounded nor wrong, but yet their is the law still existing and demanding to be fulfilled? As always thanks for all your knowledge and input its helped me alot over the years even when following the actual history.
The law is still existing and will continue to exist until this present heaven and earth are taken away (Matthew 5:17-20). The Jew according to the flesh is bound to observe the law still. Even Paul the Apostle in making his defence to the accusations brought against him said “I have committed no offense against the law of the Jews or against the temple...." (Acts 25:7-8). Observing the law however does not mean that one is justified by it for justification comes only by faith, as it is written, "...the just shall live by his faith" (Habakkuk 2:4). The gentile according to the flesh is not bound by the covenant at Sinai but is grafted into the commonwealth of Israel by the covenant by the blood of Jesus the Messiah. The gentile according to the flesh is thus not bound by the carnal commandment - touch not and taste not (Colossians 2:21) which are only shadows of the reality that is Christ.
Shalom.
The word in Greek that is translated as fulfill (pleroo) is better rendered as “to cause to abound” or to furnish. He was showing us how the true Torah should be kept not the man made laws that have perverted it.
wow - that's deep...
1 Corinthians 2:10 (KJV) But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
No that is bottomless as in from the bottomless pit. It is just plain wrong. The simple explanation is true. The first birth is natural and we all are born of water. The second requires repentance and active, ongoing faith in Jesus as Lord, God, and Savior. Mike is doing clickbait.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 did you come to that conclusion yourself or you just repeating what you heard around? Most people believe what you just mentioned and i doubt they all took that from the bible. Most people prefer to parrot rather than think.
@@iuliua JR, that sure sounds like projection to me. As for me, I actually think. I read what the author actually says, not the obscure theory that some braindead academic critic passes off on the gullible. MH's theory is creative, but crap.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 good on you mr. thinker. everyone believes whatever fits them...enjoy.
23 tribes left Egypt. The Levi Priests killed off 11 the Assyrians took the rest and spread them out all over sold as slaves. Two tribes were left Judah and Benjamin. The Babylonian Priest that reformed Judaism after the Bronze age Collapse totally rejected the tribe of Benjamin that never went to Babylon. So this left 1 Tribe Judah. History is mostly lies of Kings and Priests and Popes. The real truth was preserved by families and oral traditions.
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Way too novel of an interpretation.
And wrong.
So does that mean believers are Hebrews?
Romans 2:28For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
If you mean ethnic Hebrews, well it would if it were true . Fortunately this is speculative nonsense which a man of Heiser's age and supposed maturity should not be engaging in. What Jesus was plainly saying was the being born to religous parents - being born a Hebrew or of Christian parents does not save you. You need two births - one as a human being (water) and one as a repentant believer in Jesus as Lord, god , and Savior (spirit.) Nicodemus "a ruler of the Jews" came to Jesus apparently wanting to know when the Messiah was going to run off the Romans and put the Sanhedrin in charge. He starts off with flattery. Jesus saw his heart and turned to him and told him he needed to repent and start over like a newborn or he was not even going to see the kingdom of God much less rule it. Nic was not happy and pretended not to understand and Jesus gave him both barrels. Jesus makes it clear that natural "birthright" is not enough. Salvation belongs to "whosoever believes in him".
Translators of the Bible have obscured the fact that The Church was established at Sinai. Not everyone there accepted it: many called and few accept. The new covenant according to Jeremiah 31 is the re-establishment of the United Kingdom of Israel or the Kingdom of God (both the house of Judah aka Jewish believers and the House of Israel aka Gentile believers. The Torah is still part of the new covenant as it says in Jeremiah that the Torah will be written on the hearts. Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law (Hellenistic Jews wished he did come for that lol). Jesus said only law abiding citizens will enter the Kingdom of God. Lawless people will be outside the United Kingdom of Israel. This has been mucked up by Christians and Jews for centuries. Partial blindness. The Law doesn't save but obedience to the Law gives you your inheritance in the new Kingdom of Israel with Jesus as King. Once established, Israel will finally be the Light to the Nations. Christianity aka Roman Christianity redefined everything Jesus spoke about into a new religion which should never have happened. I wish more people understood this and stopped fighting because the gospel is a Gospel of Peace and reconciliation. So, yes being born again means you are reborn into Israel through the Spirit not ethnicity
"but to the deliverance through the sea..."
of affliction Zech 10:11. There is quite a controversy surrounding the way Mary of Magdala's character line is written, in an ongoing series. She is portrayed openly as someone suffering with textbook trauma.
Future Mary would tell you baptism represents the downpayment of final relief but our salvation must be worked out over our lifetime. Kind of exactly what Emmanuel did 2k yrs ago.
The only problem here is an idea that you can interpret God of the Old Testament with the New Testament... Can't explain bananas describing them with apples. There are fundamental differences in belief, practice and interpretations between two scriptures. Judaism does not acknowledge Jesus as a Son of The God, but as one of the prophets. There by suggesting, Christian beliefs and scriptures are revolving around false god, one who has no authority. Which puts the New Testament validity in question. If two scriptures were not to essentially clame to worship the same God, you could easily make conclusions you enjoy to get, without having to confront obvious. Three religions claiming the same God, each teaches different beliefs. Except for both Judaism and Islam, Jesus was a prophet, not the Son of God. My conclusion is, either Jesus is a Son of God, and both Judaism and Islam are wrong about it, or Jesus is not a Son of God, or is a Son of some other God... What is it?
You have certainly got straight to the crux of the matter (heart, most important)
Yes both Judaism and Islam deny Jesus The Son of YHVH.
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@@P.H.888 See, that's the problem, from who do we get the information about the resurrection? If the whole teaching lies on false testimony? I mean we have to trust Paul on his word... That is no scholarly approach, it's a belief.