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Though it’s not the main point, I appreciate that he made clear that the person is expelled WITH THE HOPE AND DESIRE to bring him back in. Compared to other families/communities where the person is “considered dead” to the rest of the people, never to return. Gospel community is built different.
Look if this is not the same happened to Adam and Eve..? It is like the Bible is a continuous parallele between big/general events that than are applicable alao to specific people or to us. The human being wasnt cast out from the garden of Heaven with the hope of our repent and came back? Still there we are.. Sadly even after the Lord came Himself to rescue us, we are still so much self comprises to do not beable to repent and follow...
@@stefaniamirri1112 The flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. God made a sacrifice for Adam and Eve before he kicked them out of the Garden. He clothed them in the skin of an animal, which is a covering. That is what the blood of Christ does, is that it covers our sin with his righteousness, so that our nakedness is not seen. Even though we are saved, we all still need to die because the flesh is inherently sinful. Our hope is in the spirit not the flesh. Until God makes all things new and incorruptible, there will continue to be a cycle, even up to the end of the millennial kingdom when people will rebel against Christs rule even though they have seen God.
This caused me to think of people who WILLINGLY choose to stay away from community with other believers. How sad. But this is a fantastic teaching on why it is so crucial to stay in fellowship and why it is so dangerous to stop meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing.
And during this evil that has been foisted upon the world against our will and when our so called leaders are actively preventing us from meeting as a community? What do we do about this mess?
@@skeetabomb Amen! Following this hypocritical shutdown (I live in California), where leaders told everyone to stay home and then went out and lived their lives as they would normally, it is important to recognize our true enemy. More importantly, "devote ourselves to prayer, being watchful and thankful." (Colossians 4:2) Blessings, bro. The mess will not last forever. Thank God! (Literally)
Your first point ~ people willingly staying away from community with other believers? So they are believers and coming together for fellowship! Just because they have left 1 group that isn’t falling away! We are supposed to be free in The Holy Spirit
@@P.H.888 I never said anything about people who leave 1 group (to presumably explore or attend others). I'm talking about the millions of believers who have chosen to position themselves outside of the community of God's family and simply be "at-home Christians".
A crucial piece for making any sense of this phrase is to read the immediate context: Paul did this to save the man's spirit. That's the best commentary I know for sure.
Interesting to consider that he was LESS likely to be saved by remaining in the church community. A strong statement on the damage the church can do by enabling sin.
@@ThebossaruChamp when you give someone over fully to their sin, the sin is able to do the full damage it’ll do and that will hopefully break the person and have them come running or crawling back
God loves us so much that He will allow whatever it takes to get us back on His path. If things are getting rough, ask yourself if there is something not right in your life. I know by experience.. unfortunately. God bless Dr. Heiser for his truth teachings.
"Good shepherd" being the operative words here. There are pastors who let the one sheep go, never so much as to even attempt to call them back to the fold.
I'm not sure if anyone noticed this, but I thought I'd point out that the reference that Dr. Heiser is using in Logos is the Baker Exegetical Commentary of the New Testament. Even if you don't know any greek, it is an amazing commentary set. It is not cheap, but it is very insightful.
Hey theo. If someone does a ceremony outside of the orthodox church such as a civil marriages or baptism of a child in another church, its said that they lose their rights to the church. Is this what Michael is talking about here? Maybe my wording isn't correct but I guess losing rights and being excommunicated is along the same lines? Can you add anything to this? Is this the scriptural reference to support this?
WARNING! Most churches do not practice discipline. That being said, we can fall under chastisement from the Lord. I believe we can be delivered unto satan (that is, into the world and punishment) and out of the church even if we are still attending. I experienced it. I couldn't serve and couldn't even make friends . It was as if I was fighting an invisible force. And I was. Because God knows your life even if no one else does.
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The feeling is the sorrow and deep, abiding regret we should all learn to feel for our own sin that makes it necessary for the death penalty to fall on the guilty or on the sacrificial substitute in the first place. Even though it's pleasant for a season, sin is ugly and nasty business. It's end is always death. Praise God forever that He made Himself to be the final scape goat! For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23
Scapegoat is symbolism of what's to come. Leviticus chapter 16. . 16:10, 16:26. Some translations, ESV. NLT. Wilderness = Azazel, name of a fallen chief Angel to whom all sins of men are ascribed for he is held responsible for causing the people to sin. The scapegoat delivers the blood to him, to say you Azazel are guilty for these sins. Later, God made Jesus to be the scapegoat for all sins He took on Himself.
Wow, 1 cor 5:5 really blasts Calvinism away doesnt it? If the man is a brother, that is given over to satan…then it is someone who lost their salvation…but, he might come back, meaning he has free will Beautiful
no. you cannot lose your salvation. Saved, "born-again" people still sin in numerous ways. Baby Christians for example who still have a lot of the world's ideas. Mature believers can fall to temptation. King David sinned, but didn't lose his salvation. But God did not allow the child he had with Bathsheba to live. Sinning isn't losing salvation OR absolute perfection would be keeping it. Good grief!
I think its like the parable of the prodigal son ,he was delivered unto Satan and got roughed up pretty bad and went home to his father and repented .Delivered to Satan is the same as being delivered to the secular world which is his domain
As born again followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, we become the holy temple in which God dwells through the Holy Spirit. We were cleansed by the BLOOD OF JESUS (the Messiah, the Annointed One). The Temple and everything in it was also cleansed by the sprinkling of blood from the sacrificed animals.
Get a lot a clean pure perfect animals with NO flaw not 1. Then get a trained priest to sacrifice them YHVH is showing the importance and cost. The ultimate price has to be paid death to physical life. YHVH is Spirit
I was a Jehovah Witness and they practiced disfellowshipping baptized members who fell into practicing serious sins like sexual immorality. No one in the congregation would speak to this person or have any association with them until they stopped the behavior and demonstrated repentance. I'm not aware of this being done in other Churches. This practice is I believe mostly condemned in most of Christendom.
If a person was disfellowshipped it would be announced at the ministry school meeting attended mostly by only JW members to inform them and they would be shunned by all members. The decision is made by a committee of Church elders after meeting usually several times with the person. Usually if the person was repentant and stopped practicing the sins they would be reproved instead of disfellowshipped and not shunned but would have privileges removed like going in the public ministry, commenting at meetings or having any other positions of responsibility at meetings. In either case the disfellowshipped or reproved member could make appeals periodically to the elders and or the elders may meet with the member to see if they were doing works like studying, attending meetings and were truly repentant recognizing the seriousness of their sins. If it was determined the member was repentant they would be reinstated and the members would immediately stop shunning them and welcome them back into fellowship. This could take significant time depending on the seriousness of the offense.
@nikloff1815 Thankyou for your answer. If the person did not repent properly, did they get stalked and harassed by the community? Were their ruined and Could they still repent?
@@Christine-vt5fi No they were just shunned by other members both at the Kingdom Hall or if they saw them in public. No one harassed them in any way. They just didn’t talk to them or acknowledge them. If a disfellowshipped person no longer attended meetings they could be gone for years and they could return at anytime express a desire to return to good standing and if after some time the elders felt they had shown true repentance then they could be reinstated and be in good standing again. They would announce at the meeting that the person was reinstated. The congregation would clap and at the end of the meeting people would congratulate, welcome them back and resume fellowship with them. Now if a member stopped attending meetings and were suspected of falling into practicing serious sin the elders may call on them and seek them out to address why they stopped going to meetings or if they have fallen into a a problem with sin. This could be harassment. Also there was a culture of reporting to the elders if someone witnessed another member engaging in what they would classify as serious sin. Like adultery, fornication, drug use, cigarette smoking, drunkenness…It’s a cult that uses fear, guilt, isolation, brainwashing and punishment to keep members under control.
Once delivered to the world for your Sins, So be it, lf you truly Repent So be lt. Your choice decides your Fate. A Freewill choice of the Heart given by The Lord Jesus Christ.
Ducks have free will. They can quack, walk, swim, or fly, but they will never knock on the flight deck door and ask to sit in the jumpseat for a ride south. Freewill will only allow you to do what your fallen nature will allow. I do not think free will will allow a man to choose Christ in a fallen state.
@@CatarineausArmory no other creature has been created in the likeness/as the image bearers of God. None else has the level of responsibility on the earth as well as in his kingdom than humankind does.Believe it, humankind was and is the crown of his creation & though he knows when a sparrow (or a duck) falls or is sold, humankind is still worth more than many of them put together. (Luke 12:7). I will not entertain your analogy any further, no matter how cute you may think it is. We are still "the apple of his eye". We have features & benefits no other creature has. Period. Yet there is another couple of truths to observe, IF you're truly interested in the ministry of reconciliation. #1 Not one of us are reconciled or redeemed, if not for being sought for by One Shepherd who then instructed others to do the same and imitate his unconditional love for us to others in sacrificial ways as he did in word (preaching/teaching) & deeds (healing/feeding etc), up to the cross. #2 Hardness of heart in its varying degrees from unintentional to deliberate is what keeps a human in a fallen state. NOT the inability to choose. Is there a remedy to the hardness of hearts? Yes. Jesus' ministry of redemption and reconciliation. See #1
@@CatarineausArmoryNB We are Not talking about ducks that already know God we are the ones that Get to exercise freewill and That is the problem people encounter thinking about ducks instead Of making an intelligent choice with their Freewill. That is Our Time to choose when we were born in a fallen State of our forefathers.*Freewill* *To Choose Good* *over Evil i.e.God* *Ways over Satans* *Ways.*
@@rjabraham How about this for "cuteness"; Is not "#1 Not one of us are reconciled or redeemed, if not for being sought for by One Shepherd" a direct and unreconcilable contradiction to "#2 Hardness of heart in its varying degrees from unintentional to deliberate is what keeps a human in a fallen state."??? And as a follow up would you say that pork eating, Sabbath breaking, pagan holiday worshipping "23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." non-followers of Jesus' commands are in a temporary state of #1 or permanent state of #2? Which state do you want to be in?
It’s ok to say your not sure…since not everything in Scripture is so cut and dry, easy to chew. Some of Paul’s writings were not easy to understand (2 Pet 3), this may be one of them. Whatever it means, it was “sufficient” for causing the man to turn away from his sinful behavior, and it was done in such a way as to cause him to want to return (2 Cor. 2:1-11).
I just imagined Micheal Geeking out in heaven. If you think he geeked out on Earth, I totally believe that it is likely he geeks out even more in Heaven.
Trivial question; does anyone know (hopefully Dr. MSH himself can answer) how Baal ended up all the way in Carthage? I can't find anything through Google, and I'm having trouble understanding if the Canaanite Baal and Carthaginian Baal Hammon are the same guy? And if so, does that mean the Canaanites were culturally intertwined with the rest of North Africa? Maybe I just need to read some more history books. Thanks for these vids Dr. God bless you
All main stream believers left church centuries ago. The first fellowship of believers sold all their earthly possessions, gave all they owned away to the poor, moved outside of the city and formed their own community, meeting their own needs. They did not get absorbed by a giant empire and then act just like the world.
@@reverie_song The point is to keep "your" church as pure as possible. People need to know there's a difference between spirit filled teaching and non spirit filled teaching.
According to our apostle paul’s ministry,today we are only saved by BELIEVING The Gospel of Jesus Christ,1st Corinthians Chapter 15 verse 1-4.Jesus Christ died on the cross,was buried and rose again on the third day.Jesus Christ Shed Blood is what saves you when you believe this plan of salvation with your heart.
1:46 Really?? 🤔 I recently finished Exodus, and I'm currently 12 chapters in to Leviticus. I thought I read about the sin sacrifice for the commoner. I don't remember it being released. Did I miss it or misinterpret it?
Hello! Hope you dont mind me asking you, but how did he or you know that he was turned over to satan? Did the Holy Spirit depart from him? How did your husband become? DId he become loveless, hard, etc? Asking bc the Holy Spirit departed from me in 2017. And I´m calling out for help but only faith of the word people has "helped". And their doctrine is cheap grace etc..and maybe it is Gods will to not help me. I don`t know.
New Israel? Replacement theology... Wha? Paul who prefaces every letter with a reference to himself being an Apostle to the uncircumcision as opposed to the other Apostles who prefaced their letters to the twelve tribes scattered abroad? Why a separation if the church replaces Israel?
Dr. Heiser doesn't adhere to replacement theology. It's more a matter of symbolism. The church is to function in the same way that Israel was MEANT by God to function. One doesn't usurp the other.
Heiser does NOT subscribe to Replacement Theology. The "new Israel" caught my ear also. Not sure if he misspoke but I know from following him for five years he did not mean the church replaced Israel.
More than anything I desire to finish an accredited college degree in study of these subjects, instead of just being a socially odd, hardcore hobbyist in my spare time.
I don't think that Dr. Heiser meant the Church as being the... well, the Church which we know of today. We believers are called the "church", but that word isn't the best translation, the word itself comes from the greek "ekklesia" which means congregation/assembly of believers worldwide that are YAHWEH's people. Other than that, thank you for these amazing insights, Dr. Michael Heiser, I can listen to you all day long.
I doubt Heiser will respond to a question like that. He is an Ancient Near East scholar, a "text man" in his words. He doesn't get involved with giving opinions on persons or specific groups, etc.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I’m sure he has an opinion on the subject, I’ll ask him on his podcast. First temple theology is based on the text in the ancient near East.
THE CHURCH IS NOT A GREEK LECTURE HALL MEETING.. IT IS AN INTIMATE CLOSED MEETING... WHERE THE MEN ADMIT THEIR FAULTS AND THEIR FAMILIAR DEMONS...! And where the communion happens which is the presence of Christ!!
The CHURCH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST, therefore it IS HOLY! 1 Cor 6:15 Do you not see and know that your bodies are members (bodily parts) of Christ (the Messiah)? 1 Cor 3:16-17 Do you not discern and understand that you (the whole church at Corinth) are God's Temple (His sanctuary), and that God's Spirit has His permanent dwelling in you (to be at home in you, collectively as a church and also individually)? If anyone does hurt to God's Temple or corrupts it (with false doctrines) or destroys it, God will do hurt to him and bring him to the corruption of death and destroy him. For the Temple of God is holy (sacred to Him) and that (Temple) YOU (the believing CHURCH and its individual believers) ARE. Praise the Lord for His LOVE and MERCY!
The little flock with Pentecost would be the New Israel. Paul's Gospel is the Body of Christ...we are not the New Israel! I would love for someone to show me how I am wrong!
Doctor, your Old Testament description of the day of atonement sacrifice does not line up with the description in Hebrews. Hebrews 13:9-14 KJVS [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. [13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. [14] For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Dr. Heiser has many brilliant insights, but "the church is the new Israel" is simply false. Israel is fallen (Romans 11:11), we are the Body of Christ, a new creation made in Jesus Christ during Israel's fall. We are not a nation to rule the other nations (Deuteronomy 15:6 You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.), we are a spiritual body made to sit in heavenly places and judge angels (Ephesians 1, 1 Corinthians 6:2-6). Israel is God's means to have dominion over the earth, the Body of Christ is God's means to have dominion over the heavens. How did Heiser miss this?
I am Greek. It's pretty clear that Paul is telling them to pray with one heart and voice to God so that He will allow satan to effect the body of the guilty man with pain, sickness, disease, so that he may repent and stop his sin; if he didn't he would eventually die and end up in hell. This is a measure to protect the Church, give it an example to follow via participation in this measure for a member of the Body, and to help the man repent and not lose/forfit his salvation. There is no other meaning to the passage. Remember, 1)God gave Saul a demon so that he be tormented. 2)Apostle Paul himself had an angel of satan punching him (I personally knew a brother that had the same thing...Yep.) --It makes sense, that Paul having such experience with a demon given to keep him in sanctification, would see such a measure something useful for other brethren as well. Think about it.
@@yungspaghetti1685 We are not told. Most likely he was tormented by a demon of satan so that he repents, knowing it's the prayer of the church manifesting upon him so that he does. We don't know the outcome.
I find that "new Israel" description troubling. Based on what I've heard from Dr. Heiser so far, he doesn't appear to be an advocate for replacement theology. I would expect him to say the Church is the new Temple, and his exegesis would be able to flow from that in the same way. Clearly, based on Romans 11, the Church is grafted into Israel, rather than a new Israel. However, we are the Temple of God per I Corinthians 3:17.
@@jsharp9735 Yes, it's the doctrine that the Church has replaced Israel in God's prophetic plan and purposes, and from Jesus on any mention of Israel is actually speaking of the Church. This is false because the Church is grafted in (and can be cut out), not taken instead of the natural branches, and the "natural branches" may still be added to the tree again (see Romans 11). Additionally, God has many promises yet to be fulfilled that are directly to Israel, and he would be a liar not to fulfil them. In short, in order to maintain his integrity and be a God worthy of worship, the Church and Israel must be separate entities, and God must have a plan for one individually. One hasn't replaced the other.
@@Unknown2Yoo I see. When you say church doctrine, do you mean Catholics ? If not what church and what or who's doctrine ? I agree with your thinking that the church is superimposed rather than transposed. Old testament is never irrelevant to our understanding.
@@jsharp9735 Different denominations may take the replacement position from what I've seen/heard. I hadn't specifically studied which one does. I'm sure there are synopses about the Internet that articulate that. I primarily concern myself with whether or not it's false i.e., disagrees with Scripture, rather than who holds the doctrine. If a doctrine is false or true, in the end, it doesn't matter who espouses it, haha!
Heiser does NOT believe Replacement Theology. Not at all. Been folllowing him and his books for five years. Not sure why he chose the words since he knows how people like to jump on every misspoken word and blow it out of proportion.
I think I need to get expelled from church and see if I come back around. Sometimes I don't think I ever was really into it but that's probably not true. I just have a hard time genuinely connecting and plugging into a local new testament church and so I feel like I live two lives somehow as one im not sure.
the problem with this entire thinking is that the word church is pagan and the word Ekklesia is not. Our understanding of what this even means is very from what we portray it as. You can cast out demons and heal the sick but you throw people out for having sin?
Paul only said to deliver them to Satan because they were "boasting" openly about the license they took in the newfound freedom that Christ gave them. Which as Paul said was causing those weaker in the faith to stumble and fall away. And being delivered unto satan just meant to have the protection of the Church and the Spirit of God that surrounded it and protected it from the destruction of Satan, to be withdrawn from this mother and son. The key reference for my opinion. "Keep your belief about such matters between yourself and God" Romans 14: 13-22 By the way. Wasn't Paul himself delivered unto Satan when he was killed? Don't we all still die at the hand of Satan? For which we receive a greater part of the inheritance of Christ.
Are you attempting to justify the statement of "delivered unto Satan" because Paul said this, or is there another witness in scripture that backs this claim up?
@Meshach Kanyion that's IF you accept that Paul is speaking of this when he said what he said. I do not. Paul is a liar. He is THE wolf is sheeps clothing. He is THE False Prophet. I believe he meant what he said.
The Church cannot be the "new Israel". That is replacement theology. There are promises yet to be fulfilled to Israel. "All Israel will be saved", is in reference to the Remnant that God will indeed save. Unless you are only referring to 'Israel' the actual land 'Eretz' for the purpose of sacred space in comparison to the Church, you are promoting replacement theology. This should be made more clear if that was what you meant.
@@patrickfosterstudio I have read many of his works and love them, even I would say life changing. But, on this point about the Church being the "new Israel" he is stepping into the realm of Replacement Theology. It might be that he was only inferring that the Church is the new sacred space vs. Israel (the actual land or real estate, Eretz in Hebrew) but it is not clear, to give him the benefit of the doubt. And even then, Jerusalem the New Jerusalem will be the throne and head of the government of the Most High.
Sad to see Mike mock the flat Earth in another video I was watching. That scriptural TRUTH has led more people to repent tance and faith in Jesus Christ than any book or lecture he will ever imagine is more important than the plane truth. Plato's in Greek. Breath of the Earth. Mike needs a little counseling. Better you take a back seat and wait to be called to the front. than make your uninformed opinion of scientific facts like flat water which means flat Earth. That's just the way it is that you refuse to give God credit for and open your eyes and see.
I would propose that when we first met Paul, he was delivering Christians unto Satan "for the destruction of the flesh"; and that he never really stopped doing that ...
Through the church I learned the following: My life is not worth living because I am too different. God's promises apply to everyone except those who care. Without your problems, pastors and chaplains would have nothing to talk about to others. There's no place in heaven for me, because I'm too baptist for charismatics and too charismatic for baptists. I'm going to hell because I married a woman whose skirt is NOT dragging on the floor ... I was apparently seduced by Satan because I heard Freddie Mercury. I am the last of the scraps because I believe every word, live every word and experience every word EVERYWHERE except in church. The Church is not a reservoir for pedophile hypocrites, but the fact that there are people who, even though there are only two or three of them, become one and respect each other more than themselves. One of the things that keep me "alive" is the fact, that I don't want to fulfill their filthy dream, by cutting my wrists and going to hell, because otherwise I could meet their true God there: Martin Luther. ALL praise to Yaweh!!!
@Amaliel these are heavy statements. I am sorry to hear the obvious difficulty you have experienced. I pray that someone in your area of influence will take the time to listen to the pain of your heart. May you find encouragement...
To escape the comming doom Do Leviticus 23 on the lunar calendar as put forth in Genesis 1:14 , Deuteronomy 28. In the Authority of EOHVAH it is done. I am Deuteronomy 18:18. I am The last Prophet.
If you keep any part of the law, then you become subject to the whole law. We do not live by the law, but we have grace through Jesus who perfectly kept the law. If you seek to go back to Old Testament law then you are responsible for the whole law. If you break any part of that law then you will never be with God after this life. Accept Jesus and his death and resurrection. Live under grace and not under the law. Read Romans and Galations in the new Testament. You are not a prophet, but I pray you will know the truth of Jesus and that Jesus will set you free.
Michael the ones who be driven out are wicked spirits in the heavnly places which are the churches that the devil highjacked centuries ago which I believe you are a part of . I know this because I'm Geo the one u refer as geographic in your sermons I also know that you hating on me is putting yourself in the way of God's wrath. You seem like a smart guy let me ask you if the world hates me what does that tell you? This mercy for the ignorant and no mercy for the ones in the know.
@@youknowwhatyouhavedones7044 ...says the person who knows nothing about me... has no idea I grew up in church and my Dad is a retired Southern Baptist Minister, in the doors every time they were open... been investigating Paul for over 5 years as a candidate for The False Prophet... made multiple 3-ring binders slap full of notes on this....kept my mouth shut the whole time, until I was sure... amassed literally 100-200 places where Paul twists scripture... all this leading even to answering the riddle of 666... ...then this guy, after hearing not one reason for me thinking the way I do, nor asks, says and quote, "...you briefly look and decide." This guy won't even respond with sarcasm and ask me "ok the, what's the answer to 666?" Deadly Pride.
@@bettymobley763 you ma'am, did the right thing in asking. Whether I be right or wrong, you ma'am, did the biblically prescribed thing. Well done... give me a little bit, let me get some kinda response prepared for you.
You wanna explain? I hear this in other circles that don't understand old and new testament. I'd like to know why if Paul is a false teacher that no one ever corrected him or wrote letters to churches warning of his heresy?
Jesus the Christ is screaming....(Mic 3:10-12 KJV) it might be like this..... Gluttony has more than one form. "Please Don't Judas Me" Please don't judas me, Treat me as you like to be treated Please don't blacklist me, Leave me as you'd wish to find me Don't analyze me, sacrifice me Please don't judas me Please don't chastise me Show me just one shred of kindness Try to help me see, Guide me in my eyes of blindness Don't despise me, categorize me Please don't judas me No, no don't judas me No, please don't judas me Please don't head shrink me, Don't disguise your innuendos Give no lies to me, I can see the way the wind blows Don't deface me, annihilate me Please don't judas me Please don't number me, Don't betray my trusted promise Please don't anger me, I find it hard to bear no malice Don't frustrate me, manipulate me Please don't judas me No no don't judas me No, please don't judas me From the Royal WE
Paul is saying that this man has no will (spirit) to overcome his flesh. Our physical bodies and everything that is this physical creation ( "world " /COSMOS ) IS OUR "ADVERSARY" ( Satan ).....because this is Satan's world....Satan's creation. "DO NOT LOVE THE WORLD or anything in the world (COSMOS / PHYSICAL CREATION ) For the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life (this FALSE life) is of the world and NOT OF THE FATHER. If any man loves the "WORLD" ( COSMOS / PHYSICAL CREATION ) the love of the FATHER is NOT IN HIM " The world ( COSMOS / PHYSICAL CREATION ) is passing away ( being consumed ) but whoever does the will of God ( the FATHER ) abides forever " ( 1 John 2:15-17 ) THINK GNOSTIC !
The church is the body of Christ, that is born again believers. Not a building. There is no such thing as Holy ground after the new covenant. Get off u tube.
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Though it’s not the main point, I appreciate that he made clear that the person is expelled WITH THE HOPE AND DESIRE to bring him back in.
Compared to other families/communities where the person is “considered dead” to the rest of the people, never to return. Gospel community is built different.
Yes, indeed! Amen.
My wife and I were ones who were expelled and a letter was sent to all the church. 😕
@@Mark-yb1sp sorry to hear it. I’m guessing it was a mutual split (heart-breaking as it may be)?
Look if this is not the same happened to Adam and Eve..? It is like the Bible is a continuous parallele between big/general events that than are applicable alao to specific people or to us.
The human being wasnt cast out from the garden of Heaven with the hope of our repent and came back? Still there we are.. Sadly even after the Lord came Himself to rescue us, we are still so much self comprises to do not beable to repent and follow...
@@stefaniamirri1112 The flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. God made a sacrifice for Adam and Eve before he kicked them out of the Garden. He clothed them in the skin of an animal, which is a covering. That is what the blood of Christ does, is that it covers our sin with his righteousness, so that our nakedness is not seen. Even though we are saved, we all still need to die because the flesh is inherently sinful. Our hope is in the spirit not the flesh. Until God makes all things new and incorruptible, there will continue to be a cycle, even up to the end of the millennial kingdom when people will rebel against Christs rule even though they have seen God.
It's a pity churches didn't deliver their abusers unto Satan but just moved them to another church to continue their activities
Thanks Dr Heiser, what a great insight. It is not Yahweh’s desire that a sinner would perish, but to repent and be saved.
This caused me to think of people who WILLINGLY choose to stay away from community with other believers. How sad. But this is a fantastic teaching on why it is so crucial to stay in fellowship and why it is so dangerous to stop meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing.
And during this evil that has been foisted upon the world against our will and when our so called leaders are actively preventing us from meeting as a community? What do we do about this mess?
@@skeetabomb Amen! Following this hypocritical shutdown (I live in California), where leaders told everyone to stay home and then went out and lived their lives as they would normally, it is important to recognize our true enemy. More importantly, "devote ourselves to prayer, being watchful and thankful."
(Colossians 4:2)
Blessings, bro. The mess will not last forever. Thank God! (Literally)
@@mrstrypes Please God, bring an end to this terrible evil that is trying to take over the world and kill us all off!
Your first point ~ people willingly staying away from community with other believers?
So they are believers and coming together for fellowship! Just because they have left 1 group that isn’t falling away! We are supposed to be free in The Holy Spirit
@@P.H.888 I never said anything about people who leave 1 group (to presumably explore or attend others). I'm talking about the millions of believers who have chosen to position themselves outside of the community of God's family and simply be "at-home Christians".
A crucial piece for making any sense of this phrase is to read the immediate context: Paul did this to save the man's spirit. That's the best commentary I know for sure.
Interesting to consider that he was LESS likely to be saved by remaining in the church community. A strong statement on the damage the church can do by enabling sin.
@@shaunhunterit342 True. It is sin. However, how does the devil help save them?
@@ThebossaruChamp when you give someone over fully to their sin, the sin is able to do the full damage it’ll do and that will hopefully break the person and have them come running or crawling back
He (God) is to be the object of our loyalty! I love this true concept! Thank you Dr. Heiser!
God loves us so much that He will allow whatever it takes to get us back on His path. If things are getting rough, ask yourself if there is something not right in your life. I know by experience.. unfortunately. God bless Dr. Heiser for his truth teachings.
The good shepherd will leave the 99 sheep for the one lost sheep. Once found there will be rejoicing.
"Good shepherd" being the operative words here. There are pastors who let the one sheep go, never so much as to even attempt to call them back to the fold.
@@wk1810 yeh sad to say your right. But Jesus is not like that, your talking about priests and ministers and pastors.
@@dannymack9636 yes, so glad Jesus isn't like that!
I'm not sure if anyone noticed this, but I thought I'd point out that the reference that Dr. Heiser is using in Logos is the Baker Exegetical Commentary of the New Testament. Even if you don't know any greek, it is an amazing commentary set. It is not cheap, but it is very insightful.
Thanks!
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Will check it out thank you 🇬🇧
Hey theo. If someone does a ceremony outside of the orthodox church such as a civil marriages or baptism of a child in another church, its said that they lose their rights to the church. Is this what Michael is talking about here? Maybe my wording isn't correct but I guess losing rights and being excommunicated is along the same lines? Can you add anything to this?
Is this the scriptural reference to support this?
Thanks for your input. I'm going to check it out.
I am addicted to your teaching! I can't wait to watch another episode. So enlightening! Thanking the Lord for your ministry!
WARNING! Most churches do not practice discipline. That being said, we can fall under chastisement from the Lord. I believe we can be delivered unto satan (that is, into the world and punishment) and out of the church even if we are still attending. I experienced it. I couldn't serve and couldn't even make friends . It was as if I was fighting an invisible force. And I was. Because God knows your life even if no one else does.
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I’ve always felt sorry for the “scape goat”...
The feeling is the sorrow and deep, abiding regret we should all learn to feel for our own sin that makes it necessary for the death penalty to fall on the guilty or on the sacrificial substitute in the first place. Even though it's pleasant for a season, sin is ugly and nasty business. It's end is always death. Praise God forever that He made Himself to be the final scape goat!
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
Scapegoat is symbolism of what's to come. Leviticus chapter 16. . 16:10, 16:26.
Some translations, ESV. NLT. Wilderness = Azazel, name of a fallen chief Angel to whom all sins of men are ascribed for he is held responsible for causing the people to sin. The scapegoat delivers the blood to him, to say you Azazel are guilty for these sins.
Later, God made Jesus to be the scapegoat for all sins He took on Himself.
@@fritzreimer7933 God didn’t make Jesus he gave himself up willingly.
I was just reading this passage and it was somewhat confusing to me. This helped a lot Thank you Dr. Heiser!
The treatment of the sinner was appropriate, due to the heinous nature of the sin he was involved in.
I love your videos because they're very well done and education. Ecclesiastical (church)
Very insightful
Eye opener! Thank you!!
Wow, 1 cor 5:5 really blasts Calvinism away doesnt it?
If the man is a brother, that is given over to satan…then it is someone who lost their salvation…but, he might come back, meaning he has free will
Beautiful
no. you cannot lose your salvation. Saved, "born-again" people still sin in numerous ways. Baby Christians for example who still have a lot of the world's ideas. Mature believers can fall to temptation. King David sinned, but didn't lose his salvation. But God did not allow the child he had with Bathsheba to live. Sinning isn't losing salvation OR absolute perfection would be keeping it. Good grief!
I think its like the parable of the prodigal son ,he was delivered unto Satan and got roughed up pretty bad and went home to his father and repented .Delivered to Satan is the same as being delivered to the secular world which is his domain
The church today, does some counsel and gives the guy the Sunday morning pulpit, i.e. Todd Bentley, very sad story.
Is there anyway you might do a video on how to cleanse the temple as described in the old testament?
As born again followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, we become the holy temple in which God dwells through the Holy Spirit. We were cleansed by the BLOOD OF JESUS (the Messiah, the Annointed One).
The Temple and everything in it was also cleansed by the sprinkling of blood from the sacrificed animals.
Get a lot a clean pure perfect animals with NO flaw not 1. Then get a trained priest to sacrifice them
YHVH is showing the importance and cost. The ultimate price has to be paid death to physical life.
YHVH is Spirit
I was a Jehovah Witness and they practiced disfellowshipping baptized members who fell into practicing serious sins like sexual immorality. No one in the congregation would speak to this person or have any association with them until they stopped the behavior and demonstrated repentance. I'm not aware of this being done in other Churches. This practice is I believe mostly condemned in most of Christendom.
Can you talk about this more? Do other things happen to the person who was cast out? When they repented did those things stop? Thanks
If a person was disfellowshipped it would be announced at the ministry school meeting attended mostly by only JW members to inform them and they would be shunned by all members. The decision is made by a committee of Church elders after meeting usually several times with the person. Usually if the person was repentant and stopped practicing the sins they would be reproved instead of disfellowshipped and not shunned but would have privileges removed like going in the public ministry, commenting at meetings or having any other positions of responsibility at meetings. In either case the disfellowshipped or reproved member could make appeals periodically to the elders and or the elders may meet with the member to see if they were doing works like studying, attending meetings and were truly repentant recognizing the seriousness of their sins. If it was determined the member was repentant they would be reinstated and the members would immediately stop shunning them and welcome them back into fellowship. This could take significant time depending on the seriousness of the offense.
@nikloff1815 Thankyou for your answer. If the person did not repent properly, did they get stalked and harassed by the community? Were their ruined and Could they still repent?
@@Christine-vt5fi No they were just shunned by other members both at the Kingdom Hall or if they saw them in public. No one harassed them in any way. They just didn’t talk to them or acknowledge them. If a disfellowshipped person no longer attended meetings they could be gone for years and they could return at anytime express a desire to return to good standing and if after some time the elders felt they had shown true repentance then they could be reinstated and be in good standing again. They would announce at the meeting that the person was reinstated. The congregation would clap and at the end of the meeting people would congratulate, welcome them back and resume fellowship with them. Now if a member stopped attending meetings and were suspected of falling into practicing serious sin the elders may call on them and seek them out to address why they stopped going to meetings or if they have fallen into a a problem with sin. This could be harassment. Also there was a culture of reporting to the elders if someone witnessed another member engaging in what they would classify as serious sin. Like adultery, fornication, drug use, cigarette smoking, drunkenness…It’s a cult that uses fear, guilt, isolation, brainwashing and punishment to keep members under control.
Once delivered to the world for your Sins, So be it, lf you truly Repent
So be lt. Your choice decides your Fate. A Freewill choice of the Heart given by The Lord Jesus Christ.
Ducks have free will. They can quack, walk, swim, or fly, but they will never knock on the flight deck door and ask to sit in the jumpseat for a ride south. Freewill will only allow you to do what your fallen nature will allow. I do not think free will will allow a man to choose Christ in a fallen state.
@@CatarineausArmory no other creature has been created in the likeness/as the image bearers of God. None else has the level of responsibility on the earth as well as in his kingdom than humankind does.Believe it, humankind was and is the crown of his creation & though he knows when a sparrow (or a duck) falls or is sold, humankind is still worth more than many of them put together. (Luke 12:7). I will not entertain your analogy any further, no matter how cute you may think it is. We are still "the apple of his eye". We have features & benefits no other creature has. Period.
Yet there is another couple of truths to observe, IF you're truly interested in the ministry of reconciliation.
#1 Not one of us are reconciled or redeemed, if not for being sought for by One Shepherd who then instructed others to do the same and imitate his unconditional love for us to others in sacrificial ways as he did in word (preaching/teaching) & deeds (healing/feeding etc), up to the cross.
#2 Hardness of heart in its varying degrees from unintentional to deliberate is what keeps a human in a fallen state. NOT the inability to choose. Is there a remedy to the hardness of hearts? Yes. Jesus' ministry of redemption and reconciliation. See #1
@@CatarineausArmoryNB
We are Not talking about ducks that already know God we are the ones that Get
to exercise freewill and That is the problem people encounter thinking about ducks instead
Of making an intelligent choice with their Freewill. That is Our Time to choose when we were born in a fallen State of our forefathers.*Freewill*
*To Choose Good* *over Evil i.e.God* *Ways over Satans* *Ways.*
@@rjabraham How about this for "cuteness"; Is not "#1 Not one of us are reconciled or redeemed, if not for being sought for by One Shepherd" a direct and unreconcilable contradiction to "#2 Hardness of heart in its varying degrees from unintentional to deliberate is what keeps a human in a fallen state."??? And as a follow up would you say that pork eating, Sabbath breaking, pagan holiday worshipping "23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." non-followers of Jesus' commands are in a temporary state of #1 or permanent state of #2? Which state do you want to be in?
It’s ok to say your not sure…since not everything in Scripture is so cut and dry, easy to chew. Some of Paul’s writings were not easy to understand (2 Pet 3), this may be one of them.
Whatever it means, it was “sufficient” for causing the man to turn away from his sinful behavior, and it was done in such a way as to cause him to want to return (2 Cor. 2:1-11).
I just imagined Micheal Geeking out in heaven. If you think he geeked out on Earth, I totally believe that it is likely he geeks out even more in Heaven.
Trivial question; does anyone know (hopefully Dr. MSH himself can answer) how Baal ended up all the way in Carthage? I can't find anything through Google, and I'm having trouble understanding if the Canaanite Baal and Carthaginian Baal Hammon are the same guy? And if so, does that mean the Canaanites were culturally intertwined with the rest of North Africa? Maybe I just need to read some more history books. Thanks for these vids Dr. God bless you
Carthage was settled by Phoenicians. Phoenicians were a Canaanite people.
All main stream believers left church centuries ago. The first fellowship of believers sold all their earthly possessions, gave all they owned away to the poor, moved outside of the city and formed their own community, meeting their own needs. They did not get absorbed by a giant empire and then act just like the world.
Why don't we do this today? We should, but we're to worried about inclusion.
If we did, I think there would be a lot of empty pews.
It's probably because the law is said to be a burden, by most. This practice is based in the Torah.
Who would care? In the US at least, it would be easy to just join another church if you want to.
@@reverie_song The point is to keep "your" church as pure as possible. People need to know there's a difference between spirit filled teaching and non spirit filled teaching.
@@ShowCat1 Indeed. That's the point. Quality not quantity.
According to our apostle paul’s ministry,today we are only saved by BELIEVING The Gospel of Jesus Christ,1st Corinthians Chapter 15 verse 1-4.Jesus Christ died on the cross,was buried and rose again on the third day.Jesus Christ Shed Blood is what saves you when you believe this plan of salvation with your heart.
1:46 Really?? 🤔
I recently finished Exodus, and I'm currently 12 chapters in to Leviticus. I thought I read about the sin sacrifice for the commoner. I don't remember it being released. Did I miss it or misinterpret it?
Thank you
This happened to my husband because of the life that he had chosen, he went on a path of destruction on to death
Hello! Hope you dont mind me asking you, but how did he or you know that he was turned over to satan? Did the Holy Spirit depart from him? How did your husband become? DId he become loveless, hard, etc? Asking bc the Holy Spirit departed from me in 2017. And I´m calling out for help but only faith of the word people has "helped". And their doctrine is cheap grace etc..and maybe it is Gods will to not help me. I don`t know.
New Israel? Replacement theology... Wha? Paul who prefaces every letter with a reference to himself being an Apostle to the uncircumcision as opposed to the other Apostles who prefaced their letters to the twelve tribes scattered abroad? Why a separation if the church replaces Israel?
Replacement theology is a false doctrine.
Dr. Heiser doesn't adhere to replacement theology. It's more a matter of symbolism. The church is to function in the same way that Israel was MEANT by God to function. One doesn't usurp the other.
I dont think this is Replacement Theology. Had he said the Church is 'THE new Israel', then ya. But he didnt.
@@patrickfosterstudio Thanks for clearing that up.
Heiser does NOT subscribe to Replacement Theology. The "new Israel" caught my ear also. Not sure if he misspoke but I know from following him for five years he did not mean the church replaced Israel.
More than anything I desire to finish an accredited college degree in study of these subjects, instead of just being a socially odd, hardcore hobbyist in my spare time.
you be better off socially odd hardcore. I have found it more rewarding and useful than a traditional brainwashing.
Would this be like a trial by ordeal idea similar to Leviticus style ordeals?
Sadly, most people wouldn't know the difference aside from missing the services.
many congregations today are giant mega churches. You really can't know anyone Sunday to Sunday unless you join a small group Bible Study.
Before they stupidly asked for a king like other nations it seems like the kind of community I long for today.
An almost anarchy/voluntary State.
Destruction of the “flesh”. Does that mean “Destruction of my fleshly ways”? Not “Body” but my sinful pursuits.
Yes thats what it means
Flesh is not body. Flesh is the ego, and I think Paul hopes that the flesh is destroyed
What does that have to do with the destruction of the flesh ? Or being handed over to satan or when the power of the spirit is present .
Salvation can be found within the church not outside...Those who do not go to church are lost then...
I don't think that Dr. Heiser meant the Church as being the... well, the Church which we know of today. We believers are called the "church", but that word isn't the best translation, the word itself comes from the greek "ekklesia" which means congregation/assembly of believers worldwide that are YAHWEH's people.
Other than that, thank you for these amazing insights, Dr. Michael Heiser, I can listen to you all day long.
yes, an Ekklesia means a "group" and not a religious institution.
A bikers gang is an ekklesia.
you are right, it means the group of believers.
It’s this where the term “go to hell” comes from?
How can being delivered to satan "save" someone ?
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So, is the "kicking out of the church" and "handing over to Satan" only on the basis of sexual sin?
It can be.
In Timothy Paul says the same consequence is for false teachers.
So, disagreeing with the pastor isn't grounds for kicking someone out of the church?
What’s your opinion Dr.Michael Heiser on Dr. Margaret Barker and first temple mysticism?
You can either get out of Babylon the Great or you can remain. It's your choice.
I doubt Heiser will respond to a question like that. He is an Ancient Near East scholar, a "text man" in his words. He doesn't get involved with giving opinions on persons or specific groups, etc.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I’m sure he has an opinion on the subject, I’ll ask him on his podcast. First temple theology is based on the text in the ancient near East.
Curious thing for you to look into:
Is it true that almost every late 19 th century and early 20th cult was founded by women?
THE CHURCH
IS NOT A GREEK LECTURE HALL MEETING..
IT IS AN INTIMATE CLOSED MEETING... WHERE THE MEN ADMIT THEIR FAULTS AND THEIR FAMILIAR DEMONS...! And where the communion happens which is the presence of Christ!!
The CHURCH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST, therefore it IS HOLY!
1 Cor 6:15 Do you not see and know that your bodies are members (bodily parts) of Christ (the Messiah)?
1 Cor 3:16-17 Do you not discern and understand that you (the whole church at Corinth) are God's Temple (His sanctuary), and that God's Spirit has His permanent dwelling in you (to be at home in you, collectively as a church and also individually)?
If anyone does hurt to God's Temple or corrupts it (with false doctrines) or destroys it, God will do hurt to him and bring him to the corruption of death and destroy him. For the Temple of God is holy (sacred to Him) and that (Temple) YOU (the believing CHURCH and its individual believers) ARE.
Praise the Lord for His LOVE and MERCY!
The little flock with Pentecost would be the New Israel. Paul's Gospel is the Body of Christ...we are not the New Israel! I would love for someone to show me how I am wrong!
However..Paul tells them in the second letter to forgive this guy and let him stay.
AFTER he repented. They didn’t overlook his overt sexual sin and excuse it.
So...is the social credit score system, jesus' rod of iron?
Doctor, your Old Testament description of the day of atonement sacrifice does not line up with the description in Hebrews.
Hebrews 13:9-14 KJVS
[9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. [13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. [14] For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
The day of atonement is different from other days when individual animals were sacrificed for sin. Two completely different things.
But jesus came to pay for our retribution. So we can do as we damn well please.
Dr. Heiser has many brilliant insights, but "the church is the new Israel" is simply false. Israel is fallen (Romans 11:11), we are the Body of Christ, a new creation made in Jesus Christ during Israel's fall. We are not a nation to rule the other nations (Deuteronomy 15:6 You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.), we are a spiritual body made to sit in heavenly places and judge angels (Ephesians 1, 1 Corinthians 6:2-6). Israel is God's means to have dominion over the earth, the Body of Christ is God's means to have dominion over the heavens. How did Heiser miss this?
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I am Greek. It's pretty clear that Paul is telling them to pray with one heart and voice to God so that He will allow satan to effect the body of the guilty man with pain, sickness, disease, so that he may repent and stop his sin; if he didn't he would eventually die and end up in hell. This is a measure to protect the Church, give it an example to follow via participation in this measure for a member of the Body, and to help the man repent and not lose/forfit his salvation.
There is no other meaning to the passage.
Remember, 1)God gave Saul a demon so that he be tormented.
2)Apostle Paul himself had an angel of satan punching him (I personally knew a brother that had the same thing...Yep.)
--It makes sense, that Paul having such experience with a demon given to keep him in sanctification, would see such a measure something useful for other brethren as well. Think about it.
What happened to that brother ?
@@yungspaghetti1685 We are not told. Most likely he was tormented by a demon of satan so that he repents, knowing it's the prayer of the church manifesting upon him so that he does.
We don't know the outcome.
I find that "new Israel" description troubling. Based on what I've heard from Dr. Heiser so far, he doesn't appear to be an advocate for replacement theology. I would expect him to say the Church is the new Temple, and his exegesis would be able to flow from that in the same way. Clearly, based on Romans 11, the Church is grafted into Israel, rather than a new Israel. However, we are the Temple of God per I Corinthians 3:17.
Replacement theology ?
@@jsharp9735 Yes, it's the doctrine that the Church has replaced Israel in God's prophetic plan and purposes, and from Jesus on any mention of Israel is actually speaking of the Church. This is false because the Church is grafted in (and can be cut out), not taken instead of the natural branches, and the "natural branches" may still be added to the tree again (see Romans 11). Additionally, God has many promises yet to be fulfilled that are directly to Israel, and he would be a liar not to fulfil them. In short, in order to maintain his integrity and be a God worthy of worship, the Church and Israel must be separate entities, and God must have a plan for one individually. One hasn't replaced the other.
@@Unknown2Yoo I see. When you say church doctrine, do you mean Catholics ? If not what church and what or who's doctrine ? I agree with your thinking that the church is superimposed rather than transposed. Old testament is never irrelevant to our understanding.
@@jsharp9735 Different denominations may take the replacement position from what I've seen/heard. I hadn't specifically studied which one does. I'm sure there are synopses about the Internet that articulate that. I primarily concern myself with whether or not it's false i.e., disagrees with Scripture, rather than who holds the doctrine. If a doctrine is false or true, in the end, it doesn't matter who espouses it, haha!
Heiser does NOT believe Replacement Theology. Not at all. Been folllowing him and his books for five years. Not sure why he chose the words since he knows how people like to jump on every misspoken word and blow it out of proportion.
Are you a Replacement Theology proponent?
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Dr. Heiser: love your views sir. do you ever consult the Ruach hakodesh to help you in your views? If yes/no, kindly expand on your answer please
I think I need to get expelled from church and see if I come back around. Sometimes I don't think I ever was really into it but that's probably not true. I just have a hard time genuinely connecting and plugging into a local new testament church and so I feel like I live two lives somehow as one im not sure.
the problem with this entire thinking is that the word church is pagan and the word Ekklesia is not. Our understanding of what this even means is very from what we portray it as. You can cast out demons and heal the sick but you throw people out for having sin?
Paul only said to deliver them to Satan because they were "boasting" openly about the license they took in the newfound freedom that Christ gave them. Which as Paul said was causing those weaker in the faith to stumble and fall away. And being delivered unto satan just meant to have the protection of the Church and the Spirit of God that surrounded it and protected it from the destruction of Satan, to be withdrawn from this mother and son. The key reference for my opinion. "Keep your belief about such matters between yourself and God" Romans 14: 13-22 By the way. Wasn't Paul himself delivered unto Satan when he was killed? Don't we all still die at the hand of Satan? For which we receive a greater part of the inheritance of Christ.
Are you attempting to justify the statement of "delivered unto Satan" because Paul said this, or is there another witness in scripture that backs this claim up?
@Meshach Kanyion that's IF you accept that Paul is speaking of this when he said what he said.
I do not. Paul is a liar. He is THE wolf is sheeps clothing. He is THE False Prophet. I believe he meant what he said.
A building is not holy ground. Your body is the new temple. Not a building. Weird take.
The Church cannot be the "new Israel". That is replacement theology. There are promises yet to be fulfilled to Israel. "All Israel will be saved", is in reference to the Remnant that God will indeed save. Unless you are only referring to 'Israel' the actual land 'Eretz' for the purpose of sacred space in comparison to the Church, you are promoting replacement theology. This should be made more clear if that was what you meant.
100% agreed
He's not vague at all if you read more of his works.
@@patrickfosterstudio He is vague here. One doesn’t have to read all of his books to understand what he means.
@@patrickfosterstudio I have read many of his works and love them, even I would say life changing. But, on this point about the Church being the "new Israel" he is stepping into the realm of Replacement Theology. It might be that he was only inferring that the Church is the new sacred space vs. Israel (the actual land or real estate, Eretz in Hebrew) but it is not clear, to give him the benefit of the doubt. And even then, Jerusalem the New Jerusalem will be the throne and head of the government of the Most High.
Mountains from mole hills. If he is vague on the topic, let’s not assume the worst of him in it.
Sad to see Mike mock the flat Earth in another video I was watching. That scriptural TRUTH has led more people to repent tance and faith in Jesus Christ than any book or lecture he will ever imagine is more important than the plane truth. Plato's in Greek. Breath of the Earth. Mike needs a little counseling. Better you take a back seat and wait to be called to the front. than make your uninformed opinion of scientific facts like flat water which means flat Earth. That's just the way it is that you refuse to give God credit for and open your eyes and see.
I would propose that when we first met Paul, he was delivering Christians unto Satan "for the destruction of the flesh"; and that he never really stopped doing that ...
Through the church I learned the following: My life is not worth living because I am too different. God's promises apply to everyone except those who care. Without your problems, pastors and chaplains would have nothing to talk about to others. There's no place in heaven for me, because I'm too baptist for charismatics and too charismatic for baptists. I'm going to hell because I married a woman whose skirt is NOT dragging on the floor ... I was apparently seduced by Satan because I heard Freddie Mercury. I am the last of the scraps because I believe every word, live every word and experience every word EVERYWHERE except in church. The Church is not a reservoir for pedophile hypocrites, but the fact that there are people who, even though there are only two or three of them, become one and respect each other more than themselves. One of the things that keep me "alive" is the fact, that I don't want to fulfill their filthy dream, by cutting my wrists and going to hell, because otherwise I could meet their true God there: Martin Luther. ALL praise to Yaweh!!!
@Amaliel these are heavy statements. I am sorry to hear the obvious difficulty you have experienced. I pray that someone in your area of influence will take the time to listen to the pain of your heart. May you find encouragement...
Maybe it's time to find a church with some deeper roots. Visit Orthodox or Catholic church in your area and talk to someone there.
Hi, how are you doing now?
To escape the comming doom Do Leviticus 23 on the lunar calendar as put forth in Genesis 1:14 , Deuteronomy 28. In the Authority of EOHVAH it is done. I am Deuteronomy 18:18. I am The last Prophet.
If you keep any part of the law, then you become subject to the whole law. We do not live by the law, but we have grace through Jesus who perfectly kept the law. If you seek to go back to Old Testament law then you are responsible for the whole law. If you break any part of that law then you will never be with God after this life. Accept Jesus and his death and resurrection. Live under grace and not under the law. Read Romans and Galations in the new Testament. You are not a prophet, but I pray you will know the truth of Jesus and that Jesus will set you free.
The last prophet: My, aren’t you full of yourself!!!
Pride goes before a fall.
Michael the ones who be driven out are wicked spirits in the heavnly places which are the churches that the devil highjacked centuries ago which I believe you are a part of . I know this because I'm Geo the one u refer as geographic in your sermons I also know that you hating on me is putting yourself in the way of God's wrath.
You seem like a smart guy let me ask you if the world hates me what does that tell you? This mercy for the ignorant and no mercy for the ones in the know.
once again, when you don't ID Paul as The False Prophet, you end up defending crap like this.
"....and if the blind lead the blind..."
Why are you saying Paul was a False Prophet?
Heresy, you briefly look and decide. Deadly pride.
@@youknowwhatyouhavedones7044 ...says the person who knows nothing about me... has no idea I grew up in church and my Dad is a retired Southern Baptist Minister, in the doors every time they were open... been investigating Paul for over 5 years as a candidate for The False Prophet... made multiple 3-ring binders slap full of notes on this....kept my mouth shut the whole time, until I was sure... amassed literally 100-200 places where Paul twists scripture... all this leading even to answering the riddle of 666...
...then this guy, after hearing not one reason for me thinking the way I do, nor asks, says and quote, "...you briefly look and decide." This guy won't even respond with sarcasm and ask me "ok the, what's the answer to 666?"
Deadly Pride.
@@bettymobley763 you ma'am, did the right thing in asking. Whether I be right or wrong, you ma'am, did the biblically prescribed thing.
Well done... give me a little bit, let me get some kinda response prepared for you.
You wanna explain? I hear this in other circles that don't understand old and new testament. I'd like to know why if Paul is a false teacher that no one ever corrected him or wrote letters to churches warning of his heresy?
Jesus the Christ is screaming....(Mic 3:10-12 KJV)
it might be like this..... Gluttony has more than one form.
"Please Don't Judas Me"
Please don't judas me, Treat me as you like to be treated
Please don't blacklist me, Leave me as you'd wish to find me
Don't analyze me, sacrifice me
Please don't judas me
Please don't chastise me Show me just one shred of kindness
Try to help me see, Guide me in my eyes of blindness
Don't despise me, categorize me
Please don't judas me
No, no don't judas me
No, please don't judas me
Please don't head shrink me, Don't disguise your innuendos
Give no lies to me, I can see the way the wind blows
Don't deface me, annihilate me
Please don't judas me
Please don't number me, Don't betray my trusted promise
Please don't anger me, I find it hard to bear no malice
Don't frustrate me, manipulate me
Please don't judas me
No no don't judas me
No, please don't judas me
From the Royal WE
Paul is saying that this man has no will (spirit) to overcome his flesh.
Our physical bodies and everything that is this physical creation ( "world " /COSMOS )
IS OUR "ADVERSARY" ( Satan ).....because this is Satan's world....Satan's creation.
"DO NOT LOVE THE WORLD or anything in the world (COSMOS / PHYSICAL CREATION )
For the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life (this FALSE life)
is of the world and NOT OF THE FATHER.
If any man loves the "WORLD" ( COSMOS / PHYSICAL CREATION ) the love of the FATHER
is NOT IN HIM "
The world ( COSMOS / PHYSICAL CREATION ) is passing away ( being consumed ) but
whoever does the will of God ( the FATHER ) abides forever "
( 1 John 2:15-17 )
THINK GNOSTIC !
What does it mean to deliver someone unto Satan.? Just ask a Christian; for, they are constantly trying to win souls for Satan.
The church is the body of Christ, that is born again believers. Not a building. There is no such thing as Holy ground after the new covenant. Get off u tube.