I was on the fence about buying this machine but knowing that you’re going to make tutorial videos with all the mods that I want, I’m definitively buying one now! I’m subscribed and patiently waiting for your next videos! Thank you for making this content! You are appreciated!
Great review. I disagree overall but very well done Bee. Great job. One thing love about the Legends Pinball are the leaderboards. I can see the scores of all friends in the community and compete against them. A person with your skill set can build a full custom v pin and that will always be better overall. For an average joe, I will say I love this machine.
you know, I completely missed talking about the leaderboards and thats a huge feature! I think my main point is that you still have to spend extra money to make the Legends Pinball reach its true potential, which is pretty much AtGames' model that I'm still getting used to
brad I agree with you. I was chasing leaderboard scores all night.. so fun to see the community names and try to best their scores... cant do that with 1up.
@@PapaBradsGaming ok, I'm going to have to contact customer support. This thing is unplayable unless I mute it. No amount of sound adjustments are minimizing the annoying buzzing and rattling noises
Curious if you're having any sound issues out of the box? I'm getting major buzzing from the control panel area from the acrylic vibrating on the lock bar as well as speaker hum from.the back box speakers... very disappointing
There's a video on that and it's a known issue. I discovered this out of the box setting this up last night. Until it's fixed, going to sound settings and set them from top to bottom values of 50, 40, 3. Then on button volume on machine set it to 75
Great reviews on this channel! Like the unbiased analysis, and not letting the fanboys sway you from having you’re own opinions! Interested in your upcoming mod vids!
Another great video man. I REALLY need to sit down and figure out how to add other Vpin programs to my PC! So many great tables I saw you flip through. Currently I only have FX3 and I’m intimidated to add the others but I’m gonna start researching!
Thanks for the info. Waiting on my 4KP Addams Family and wondering why I ordered the up grade controller. I found no non pinball games besides 2600 games. I’m a point zero, but your sending me in the right direction. 🖖🏼
Thanks for the video. Hopefully one of the videos you do related to modding At Games Pinball, is explaining the SAUCE? Getting your own games to play like Galaga, etc.
I definitely plan to record some more content around that when i get my legends pinball arcade controller. in the mean time, check out @wagner'sTechTalk for a great video on adding games to the ALP ruclips.net/video/iHGMORDxC9M/видео.html
I have a 64G version of the USB drive Bee suggested. Can someone tell me how to do the partition and do the two formats - Fat32 and EXFat? Very new to this, any help is appreciated. Thank you guys!
Kongs-R-Us, Great review! Yeah, I also can't recommend the AtGames Legends Pinball at this time as my machine came with a backbox monitor that wouldn't function. This is my first AtGames product and it doesn't leave a good first impression. I immediately emailed AtGames support, which they were quite quick to get back with me. They had me do all the normal troubleshooting, reseat cables and such, but when they had me reseat the main backboard monitor cable to the motherboard, the piece that held the cable in on the motherboard instantly came off with the slightest touch. I could not get it to reattach (it's so tiny). Without that piece, the cable would no longer stay connected to the motherboard. They said they would need to send me a new motherboard and monitor cables, which sounded ok, but I would first have to send them back mine before they would send me a new one. That means no part of my pinball machine would be working while I wait (the main playfield worked fine). Plus, removing their motherboard was also SO COMPLICATED with it's MANY wires. When I had a PCB problem on an Arcade1up machine, Arcade1up sent me a replacement and let me keep the one I had until I received the new one (so I could at least keep playing the machine). So I'm a little disappointed with AtGames. I'm glad they are working with me and hope to see the new motherboard soon, but for now, I have a pinball machine-sized brick sitting in my game room. I hope in the future, companies can somehow figure out how to send out products that don't arrive broken, especially when there's no visible shipping damage to the box. vgv
sorry to hear about your troubleshooting experience and hope it gets resolved! those EDP cable connections are definitely fragile and not the easiest to setup
Kongs-R-Us, It sounds like many from the community have good experiences from AtGames, so I'm very hopeful. I can't wait to see your future mods to this machine :) vgv
Not sure, it's been a while since I've worked on my ALP. There's haptic feedback going into the control panel that you could tap into possibly for bass Shaker haptics. But i can tell you for sure, sorry !
Hey do you have any advice for reconnexting the monitor? I followed your video for the disassembly and removal of the monitor and upon replacing it when i power the pinball on the monitor lights up but only displays a black screen. If you have any advice it would be greatly appreciated.
It's been a while since i did this and don't own one currently. Recommend checking all the edp cables going into your main PCB and make sure both power plugs from the monitor are plugged in properly. Generally, just need to re-trace all your connections when you troubleshoot these issues. Good luck!
@KongsRUs is there anything that could've been damaged when removing the screen? I've tried reseating every single PCB connection to no changes. The monitor is receiving power for the backlight but just won't push a display.
I just got one of these and they addressed some of these issues. The start is now the select in the game, which is more intuitive like Kongs says. The top monitor now has a traditional HDMI input, which is nice, especially if you are modding I would think. Haptics are still kind of weak, but better than nothing I guess. Still no substitute for the real thing, but for virtual pinball it's all right I guess.
Nice vid Bee. No plans to buy this, wouldn’t have the time, inclination or expertise to mod it, but really enjoyed the video! Look forward to seeing how the v.🐝 works out!
@@Tech_Gainz What did it cost you? If you were to just price out the wood, the monitors, a computer and all the rest you would be hard pressed to make it for $700. I seen some custom high end ones go for $2000. Sure someone can slap together a couple monitors and a raspberry pie ... but there is more to it.
@@ronpetersen2317 my entire build (including pc with 3 monitor setup) cost just under $1000. It’s a pretty good looking build if I do say so myself. It uses real pinball legs and tempered glass. But again my point still stands that you don’t need to spend that much 😂 one can only speculate if they haven’t actually done a build, or the research, themselves.
Excellent review Mr. Kong! I agree, I also have no personal attachment to the graphic designs as well. I've played maybe 2-3 tables in the past on real cabs :) The included Gottlieb tables are ok, the latest firmware update did help the haptics significantly. However, 98% of the time I'm playing the add-on Zack packs which have better physics, game-play and just a more polished look overall (Black Belt/Future World 2018 being my current favs.) That said, for me, the issues are primarily software. Maintaining the last initials entered for the Gottlieb tables is a pain (unlike the Zac tables). It is my first vpin and I'm happy with the machine and overall experience. Definitely looking forward to where AtGames takes us in the future and experimenting with other options myself as well. Again, excellent review and thank you!
I found your channel while looking for what specific buttons are in this machine, because they're definitely different from what's in the ALU (I now have both). With all the reviews out there right now, you're the only one I've seen that really went inside the machine. Anyway I'm happy with mine but I definitely have some of your same issues with the interface and the poor haptic feedback, especially. I'll watch for when you upgrade that to get some ideas on how to do it myself. Probably just end up copying you, since I have no idea what I'm doing in a machine like this :)
Very nice review of the Legend Pinball. When mentioning some of the flaws you can tell Atgames and they will really listen and because it has wifi it makes it really easy to update the firmware. Overall I think its the best pinball in the price range. I agree that AtGames needs to really concentrate on the outside art graphic on their cabs and the hardware that holds the screen could use some chrome. That's where Arcade 1UP is better. But if I was to buy a pinball in this price range I would definitely buy the Atgames Legend pinball.
great feedback! I do wished it looked a little better, but the hardware is definitely top notch for the price point and great for modders like me and our die hard retro arcade community. I have a hard time seeing this outselling A1ups if both of them were sitting side by side at a brick and mortar though. The casuals will appreciate A1ups more I think, but I like ALP for all its modding potential for sure
Awesome vid sir. Super thorough and prob the most fair review I've seen of the LGP. Plenty of little design issues, and the eyesore that is atgames UI, the meh art, that butt-ugly black trim, small back glass, etc but still at 599 it was a steal - just not sure it still is at $750 + shipping (but Wave 5 sold out in 1min this morning so what do I know?).
the $750 includes all the zaccaria tables which are much better than the stock tables. but as mentioned, adding a PC and playing extra pinball thru vpx or fx3 makes it really worth it.
You know what I really need? Some pics on how you wired those terminal blocks. I’ve got all the parts and pieces - things are good to go - except that. I know it sounds really boring - but it’s a huge step that would help take my cab over the 50 yard line and into the red zone for a Touchdown! Thanks for your great long-form content.
do you mean on my A1up pinball mod? my wiring is a big mess still, lol, I need to get in there and clean it up for sure. I still have plans to do a better in depth tutorial on my A1up pinball mod too
@@KongsRUs Yes - that's the one. I did the 32" tv mod with backglass mod... I have the sainsmart - that's the part that gets me. CoolToy did two terminal blocks - one just for positive and one for ground... and he only hooked up one wire to the sainsmart (the positive) and sent all the grounds from the solenoids right to the negative block. Ugh - I just need to copy something and go...
@@misterchip1984 yes, you need individual wires from the positive terminal block to go into each relay on the SainSmart. These are stand alone wires. For each solenoid wire pair, the positive one goes into the SainSmart relay, and the negative one goes into the negative power block. Hope thay makes sense
Could you please explain why you recommend partitioning the usb drive as you did? Is this required to allow one usb drive to be used for both features, Zaccaria tables and CoinOpsX future mods?
yes, the Legends Pinball has only (2) usb ports. The USB 2.0 port is used to connect a USB-A to USB-A Cable to your PC to support OTG mode controls. that leaves only the USB 3.0 port to have your USB thumb drive. If you don't partition it, you'll only be able to use the single partition and format as FlashdriveX to add Zac packs, etc. partitioning the drive allows you to use AddOnX or CoinOpsX using the single USB thumb drive
I think it's worth it if you're the Gottlieb fan because not everybody is a fan of FX3 video game style Pinball. It's def worth over A1UP Pinball. I would mod with a tempt second screen and PC for now as atgames will have more add-ons in the future like solenoid. Pinball Emporium is a great option as it is a table pack install unlike Baller Installer which does not come with table pack initially.
How you liking the chrome look on the rails ? I don't like the all black and have a bunch of Chrome Mirror vinyl and was thinking of doing it like that.
Great video! Am I the only one who thinks the backglass monitor is too small? Instead of trying to add HDMI to it I'd like to see if we could add HDMI to the output from the pinball board so we could replace the monitor with a bigger one. Has anyone done this?
it is a little small for a full size backglass. i haven't seen anyone do a bigger screen mod and keeping the stock connection to the PCB. i do have some plans though for a bigger monitor into the backglass with an idea to use the stock screen as my DMD. :)
What about the frame skipping issue in OTG mode? If they can't fix that via firmware, it is kind of worthless unless like a lot of disruptive frame skipping. Added- Or, gut it and use own hardware.
I haven't done enough of my own testing on the OTG frame skipping issue, but I'll be honest as a casual Vpin player, I havent noticed too much when playing a few of my VPX tables. I'm sure it would be similar to watching 4K TV, and going back to 1080p would be tough. But if you've never experienced 4k, you'd be happy with the 1080p. Since I haven't played a ton of Vpin in full 60FPS, it's hard to notice the frame skipping issue personally, but ive seen videos and hope they can address it.
Hi, Mr. Kong. I just purchased this table seeing its potential, but I am not technologically advanced. Can you tell me where I can find videos to educate myself better about downloading games and using my PC for this machine? I don't know where to go to get my own games to download, but I want to learn step-by-step. I appreciate any tips and pointers you can give to me. Thank you for the video.
Thanks for the review, will buying this one. Also i look forward to your modding video for fxpinball. A1up is just 720p that is the deal breaker for me
I saw the 1up pinballs today . 849 Canadian . Looked quite cheap . The at legends pinball is 999 but not in demo . It looks better quality . Is it ? Thx
Ultimately, it depends on what you're looking for. If you like zen/pinballFx3 style games, and you don't want to do any modding, A1up is a great machine and easier to use. Legends Pinball has 22 built in goetlieb classic tables, and additional expandability to purchase more plus lots of moddind potential. Looks and UI are the biggest downsides of the ALP
@@KongsRUs thx . I didn’t know about the UI . I don’t want to do any modding but do love the old tables which the legends seems to have . When you mention the UI do this mean it’s not intuitive to choose tables , navigate around etc ?
Check out this short video that shows some of my original frustration with the ALP User Interface. They've fixed a few things, and are continually releasing patches to update it . ruclips.net/video/K4B3WcJNz0I/видео.html
Nice review. Like the honesty about not buying just for built in stuff. And really, are people buying AT Games products to play stock stuff? The leaderboards are cool feature, but the tables available are lackluster compared to community creations in Visual Pinball and some of the Future pinball tables. Still can decide on which to get and mod, or attempt a simple cab build. Decisions, decisions.
The value is great for the ALP, don't listen to anyone that says otherwise. I have yet for someone to provide a pre-built alternative that does more for less money. If A1up had a bigger screen and OTG out of the box I would say its a close call. My new ALP was $650 shipped with upgraded control panel, vibs, and bitpixel, and a few extra table packs.. Not sure what comes close to that price for all the features.
My wife watched this and was disgruntled lol. I explained to her "it was rougher back then" they definitely ironed out a lot of the kinks with this machine. The farsight tables are still lackluster and i'm sure that will never change since they appear to be ported from PinballArcade which is not the best anyway, but the Zaccaria and Tiato tables are a blast, looking forward to configuring with a PC and getting all the goodies! Idk if they updated the speakers but mine bump, can hear it downstairs clear as day on higher settings lol. Had it 2 days so far and carried it up the stairs myself (don't recommend lol) bought the $750 pack and paid $100 to ship, came with Zacc 1-4 and still feels worth it. I have to beg the wife to play the multicade but she's hooked on this thing immediately. Really solid cabinet build too, panels are thick. Haptics were poop until i updated firmware, now the bumpers and the drop targets THUMP but the ball roll and flipper rumble is weak. I think i can fix the flipper feedback with solenoids, seems easy enough. They really do need to program a sexy frontend for their products, idk why they don't it's not that difficult, other than that i really like mine so far, surpassed my hype levels.
😄, I give a thorough review about its potential throughout so appreciate hearing some of the updates it might have had to optimize it. There's lots of issues that still plague this machine tho with the UI being #1 funky town to this day. If you check out all the mods I did to my ALP, I'm finally happy with it but only because of all the modding I did
Bee is this ok spec Lil PC to mod my alp with?Beelink Mini PC SEi10, 10th Gen Intel Core i5-1035G1 Turbo 3.60 GHz, 16GB RAM, 500GB ROM M.2 2280 NVMe SSD, UHD Graphics 4K 60Hz, Triple Display, WiFi 6, BT5.2 ?Thank you
Does triple display mean there are 3 monitor outputs? Usually, PC pinball requires a dedicated graphics card. All the other specs seem ok, but would be worried about your GPU performance
Hey Bee! So it's been several months since you put the vinyl chrome wrap on the side rails & lockdown bar - how has it held up? I'm thinking of doing this, but thought the wrap would wear off after a while. Do you see any issues with this? Would you recommend chroming those parts differently now? Looks really good! Love your videos!
Hey David, the chrome wrap is holding up really well. If you are modding your cab, I'd recommend it be one of the last things you do. Since I kept taking them off and on, they got a little scuffed from me having them lying on the floor amongst my modding mess. Otherwise, I've like the way they turned out to accent my cab
Great review! I'm picking up an Arcade1up Attack From Mars but definitely debating adding an AtGames machine at some point (assuming I have the space for it). Attack From Mars has some incredible included tables and looks fantastic, but there's no arguing that what AtGames is doing is far more flexible.
Hello! What male to male USB cable are you using and the length? Many reports are it does not work well at all. I'm going to post this to other as well. Thanks!
@@KongsRUs That probably should be mentioned and AtGames alerted. The Legends Pro does not need this which suggests a potential impedance issue with the current usb connector set-up on the cabinet.
You did mention in you video and good topic of discussion, since seems prolific. I'm placing bets on a design issue and impedance is the culprit. Not an issue on the Legend Pro or Ultimate, so wonder what got messed up with the pinball cab...
Nice work as always. By any chance do you know if the plunger in the cab can be used w/o any of the ALP hardware meaning connected directly to the PC (usb) or to a KLZ board?
Great video, i dont like Atgames stuff just because to actually enjoy them you need to mod and add actual games ppl know and like. Its a nice project piece for those that enjoy that stuff.
Rumbling panel sound is still present. Had to do the sound adj settings to fix it, but someone said they inserted foam in between glass and panel to fix it. The painting is all about the technique.. I saw rattle cans and metal needs to be primed first. Painting in direct sun is a huge no. That metal with soak heat fast and crack paint and improper dry it. Plus other factors like heat, paint type, hardener and whatever. I'm actually in middle redoing completely rusted legs on a 1983 Bally pin restoration. Clear coat via can tomorrow and hand painting legs and bolts after (metallic gold). It took 5 hours on polishing wheels, grinders and prepping, plus a good week for paint curing, etc. You can get the results you want but takes patience and some online googling imgur.com/a/oJwG4bl Also in mid project vinyl wrapping my car entirely, the "fingerings" on your vinyl rails are avoided laying it vertically first and a touch of heat gun let it flap over. The wrinkles were caused by tension (pulling). *You can tell I lost my 18 year tech job via plant closure, and i'm doing all these odd projects now while learning before landing a new job 😅
Oh, I don't disagree with you. Lol, I lack patience and there was a limit I could get to with a chrome look so vinyl wrap was my best bet and I just bought replacement chrome legs for $60
@@KongsRUs very cool. Rails are actually an easy thing to do learning vinyl wrapping as well. A car is a whole different playfield, and cost about $800 in material too lol. I priced the replacement legs on a full size real pinball machine and at $140 for the 4 with shipping, nope I'll just refinish them.
@@KongsRUs also great vid! Thanks for the paper tip for top display. The price of real pins have skyrocketed with some in $15,000 ranges, so $600 is a great bargain when you can add OTG. I'll have to wait getting one but for my old, non tech parents they are loving it so far after setting theirs up Saturday. And it saves me a ton of emergency calls fixing their real machine lol because those parts aren't cheap
Great detailed review. Did you get to try to see if the ALP monitor fits in the 1up? Might be a good one to buy to do the cooltoy 32" mod since it has no housing.
If the user interface is the only issue ... I think most people can live with that as they get use to it. Kind of silly to pass on it because how to select and change configs is a bit wonky but game play is good.
the 105 zac tables will keep you plenty busy. They are optimized 100% better than the stock tables and are very fun overall... and dont forget there are more zac tables coming plus the original tables like bubble bobble
At this point, AtGames Legends Pinball gives you more value for your buck. A1up has better art packages and is simpler UI makes it easier/ideal for families and casual virtual pinball fans to enjoy
If you compare this to your star wars review, you had more issues with star wars but said its a good cabinet overall. Yet, this cabinet has way more features but you said its not a good value out of the box. The only thing I agree with is the interface needs to change...
hey Kevgret, appreciate the comments! I do plan to do a full comparison on both as they both have issues. With A1up, I mostly had issues with the monitors and graphics but out of the box, the design/chrome, graphics, UI, haptics, and "name brand" tables are better IMO. You're stuck with those tables unless you mod it, but the overall experience I feel would be better for the casual pinball fan. For ALP, I have issues out of the box with the design/non-chrome, graphics, haptics, UI, and gameplay of the 22 Gottlieb tables (although the update fixed most of my issues). The pros are the larger playfield, dynamic backglass, connected gaming features, and modding potential. But for the casual fan, you have to buy the zaccarria packs to experience the best of ALP. I think there's a market for both honestly, but first impressions weighed heavily on me in both my reviews. thanks for checking it out and giving your feedback!
My main problem with the AtGames is that all of these games are great... on real machines. The FX3 games just feel better to me as virtual games. To each their own though. Thanks for the review and for satisfying my unhealthy obsession of watching you brutally rip apart your arcade cabinets ^^
I hate the UI on the AtGames products. I have the Legends Gamer Pro. I hacked it with the CoinopsX thinking it would be a cool device that the whole family could enjoy, or that I could use to impress my friends. But the UI is terrible. It's overly complicated, unresponsive, and just a pain to use. It has so many cool games that I added, but I don't even bother touching it because it takes like 10 minutes just to get it working. Pairing the device with the puck is also a pain. It doesn't always pair with the console. So I have to unplug the flash drive, use a usb cable to sync the control panel with the puck, then plug in the flash drive again, mount it again, and go through the terrible UI to load the CoinopsX app. I would like to be able to recommend the device to others, or just lend it to my relatives. But there is no way they would be able to figure out how to use it. Huge waste of money. And the built in games are complete trash.
All these tables are ass unfortunately.... Only thing this is good for Is modding.... Then it's EXCELLENT for that.... But if you just wanna play something without all the modding, or you don't have a viable pc, then a1up is the best bet
it really depends, both have pros and cons to modding. ALP has bigger monitor and is more "easy" to mod and add games. A1up has better aesthetics and ability to reuse the stock solenoids, but you will lose the stock gameplay.
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Had to head right to this video ASAP after our brief talk about it last night.
Mine just arrived. 😁
Nice meeting you dude!! Hope you enjoy your ALP!
Thx for cutting straight to the point from the start!! Great video
There's a TON of modding potential with the Legends Pinball if your inclined!
I just picked this up second hand and oh my god whoever made the user interface/button layout for this is a very special person.
Lol, still the worst UI I've experienced 🤣
Cheers for the review. Really good overview of the table.
Thank you!!
I was on the fence about buying this machine but knowing that you’re going to make tutorial videos with all the mods that I want, I’m definitively buying one now! I’m subscribed and patiently waiting for your next videos! Thank you for making this content! You are appreciated!
I appreciate the honest review always love your review approach
Great review. I disagree overall but very well done Bee. Great job. One thing love about the Legends Pinball are the leaderboards. I can see the scores of all friends in the community and compete against them. A person with your skill set can build a full custom v pin and that will always be better overall. For an average joe, I will say I love this machine.
you know, I completely missed talking about the leaderboards and thats a huge feature! I think my main point is that you still have to spend extra money to make the Legends Pinball reach its true potential, which is pretty much AtGames' model that I'm still getting used to
brad I agree with you. I was chasing leaderboard scores all night.. so fun to see the community names and try to best their scores... cant do that with 1up.
Hey Brad... are you having any sound buzzing issues from the exciters as well as hum from the back box speakers?
@@show-me-retro nope. I do not think so . Gottlieb table exciters are set way to high though
@@PapaBradsGaming ok, I'm going to have to contact customer support. This thing is unplayable unless I mute it. No amount of sound adjustments are minimizing the annoying buzzing and rattling noises
Curious if you're having any sound issues out of the box? I'm getting major buzzing from the control panel area from the acrylic vibrating on the lock bar as well as speaker hum from.the back box speakers... very disappointing
There's a video on that and it's a known issue. I discovered this out of the box setting this up last night. Until it's fixed, going to sound settings and set them from top to bottom values of 50, 40, 3. Then on button volume on machine set it to 75
@@Roadsurfer2k11 i found a fix that works pretty good for me... did an updated video on it recently
Wow what a thorough review Bee.. but omg I could never do half of this.. but I wait for supreme knowledge!
Thanks Al! I'll get you setup soon
Great reviews on this channel! Like the unbiased analysis, and not letting the fanboys sway you from having you’re own opinions! Interested in your upcoming mod vids!
Thank you for the heads up on the San Disk Ultra Fit thumbdrives and partitioning when you add the Zaccaria tables! Great review.
Can someone tell me if there's a "ninja turtles pinball data east rom mod" for "at games legends pinball machine"??
Another great video man. I REALLY need to sit down and figure out how to add other Vpin programs to my PC! So many great tables I saw you flip through. Currently I only have FX3 and I’m intimidated to add the others but I’m gonna start researching!
Good luck with it! Have fun with the build
Thanks for the info. Waiting on my 4KP Addams Family and wondering why I ordered the up grade controller. I found no non pinball games besides 2600 games. I’m a point zero, but your sending me in the right direction. 🖖🏼
Thanks for the video. Hopefully one of the videos you do related to modding At Games Pinball, is explaining the SAUCE? Getting your own games to play like Galaga, etc.
I definitely plan to record some more content around that when i get my legends pinball arcade controller. in the mean time, check out @wagner'sTechTalk for a great video on adding games to the ALP ruclips.net/video/iHGMORDxC9M/видео.html
I have a 64G version of the USB drive Bee suggested. Can someone tell me how to do the partition and do the two formats - Fat32 and EXFat? Very new to this, any help is appreciated. Thank you guys!
Patton Plays has a good tutorial on partitioning your USB drive to get it ready for Flash Drive X ruclips.net/video/oaFiWJGXIFE/видео.html
@@KongsRUs I will check this out. Thank you so much, Bee!!
Kongs-R-Us,
Great review!
Yeah, I also can't recommend the AtGames Legends Pinball at this time as my machine came with a backbox monitor that wouldn't function. This is my first AtGames product and it doesn't leave a good first impression.
I immediately emailed AtGames support, which they were quite quick to get back with me. They had me do all the normal troubleshooting, reseat cables and such, but when they had me reseat the main backboard monitor cable to the motherboard, the piece that held the cable in on the motherboard instantly came off with the slightest touch. I could not get it to reattach (it's so tiny). Without that piece, the cable would no longer stay connected to the motherboard.
They said they would need to send me a new motherboard and monitor cables, which sounded ok, but I would first have to send them back mine before they would send me a new one. That means no part of my pinball machine would be working while I wait (the main playfield worked fine). Plus, removing their motherboard was also SO COMPLICATED with it's MANY wires. When I had a PCB problem on an Arcade1up machine, Arcade1up sent me a replacement and let me keep the one I had until I received the new one (so I could at least keep playing the machine). So I'm a little disappointed with AtGames. I'm glad they are working with me and hope to see the new motherboard soon, but for now, I have a pinball machine-sized brick sitting in my game room.
I hope in the future, companies can somehow figure out how to send out products that don't arrive broken, especially when there's no visible shipping damage to the box.
vgv
sorry to hear about your troubleshooting experience and hope it gets resolved! those EDP cable connections are definitely fragile and not the easiest to setup
Kongs-R-Us,
It sounds like many from the community have good experiences from AtGames, so I'm very hopeful. I can't wait to see your future mods to this machine :)
vgv
When looking at the board is it possible to run a splitter from the main board to add a bass shaker like Retro Ralph did with the Out Run cab? Thanks
Not sure, it's been a while since I've worked on my ALP. There's haptic feedback going into the control panel that you could tap into possibly for bass Shaker haptics. But i can tell you for sure, sorry !
Hey do you have any advice for reconnexting the monitor? I followed your video for the disassembly and removal of the monitor and upon replacing it when i power the pinball on the monitor lights up but only displays a black screen. If you have any advice it would be greatly appreciated.
It's been a while since i did this and don't own one currently. Recommend checking all the edp cables going into your main PCB and make sure both power plugs from the monitor are plugged in properly. Generally, just need to re-trace all your connections when you troubleshoot these issues. Good luck!
@KongsRUs is there anything that could've been damaged when removing the screen? I've tried reseating every single PCB connection to no changes. The monitor is receiving power for the backlight but just won't push a display.
@Forte195 hard to know, screen could have been damaged, can't troubleshoot thru youtube, sorry! I suggest submitting a ticket if you can
How do you access 2 player mode on games like Galaga, Donkey Kong, and Pac-Man? there is no P1 or P2 buttons. Thanks in advance.
You can map buttons on the control panel and coin doors thru whatever emulator u are using I think.
I just got one of these and they addressed some of these issues. The start is now the select in the game, which is more intuitive like Kongs says. The top monitor now has a traditional HDMI input, which is nice, especially if you are modding I would think.
Haptics are still kind of weak, but better than nothing I guess. Still no substitute for the real thing, but for virtual pinball it's all right I guess.
Nice vid Bee. No plans to buy this, wouldn’t have the time, inclination or expertise to mod it, but really enjoyed the video! Look forward to seeing how the v.🐝 works out!
i think it is a great machine for the price... remember that machines like this cost more than 2000 usd if you built it for yourself....
As someone who recently built their own machine, it does not cost that much lol
@@Tech_Gainz What did it cost you? If you were to just price out the wood, the monitors, a computer and all the rest you would be hard pressed to make it for $700. I seen some custom high end ones go for $2000.
Sure someone can slap together a couple monitors and a raspberry pie ... but there is more to it.
@@ronpetersen2317 my entire build (including pc with 3 monitor setup) cost just under $1000. It’s a pretty good looking build if I do say so myself. It uses real pinball legs and tempered glass. But again my point still stands that you don’t need to spend that much 😂 one can only speculate if they haven’t actually done a build, or the research, themselves.
But of course, if you buy one from a 3rd party company, you’re going to pay a lot more
Excellent review Mr. Kong! I agree, I also have no personal attachment to the graphic designs as well. I've played maybe 2-3 tables in the past on real cabs :) The included Gottlieb tables are ok, the latest firmware update did help the haptics significantly. However, 98% of the time I'm playing the add-on Zack packs which have better physics, game-play and just a more polished look overall (Black Belt/Future World 2018 being my current favs.) That said, for me, the issues are primarily software. Maintaining the last initials entered for the Gottlieb tables is a pain (unlike the Zac tables). It is my first vpin and I'm happy with the machine and overall experience. Definitely looking forward to where AtGames takes us in the future and experimenting with other options myself as well. Again, excellent review and thank you!
I found your channel while looking for what specific buttons are in this machine, because they're definitely different from what's in the ALU (I now have both). With all the reviews out there right now, you're the only one I've seen that really went inside the machine. Anyway I'm happy with mine but I definitely have some of your same issues with the interface and the poor haptic feedback, especially. I'll watch for when you upgrade that to get some ideas on how to do it myself. Probably just end up copying you, since I have no idea what I'm doing in a machine like this :)
thanks for checking it out!!!
Great video. Also, thanks for being so helpful on FaceBook!
Very nice review of the Legend Pinball. When mentioning some of the flaws you can tell Atgames and they will really listen and because it has wifi it makes it really easy to update the firmware. Overall I think its the best pinball in the price range. I agree that AtGames needs to really concentrate on the outside art graphic on their cabs and the hardware that holds the screen could use some chrome. That's where Arcade 1UP is better. But if I was to buy a pinball in this price range I would definitely buy the Atgames Legend pinball.
great feedback! I do wished it looked a little better, but the hardware is definitely top notch for the price point and great for modders like me and our die hard retro arcade community.
I have a hard time seeing this outselling A1ups if both of them were sitting side by side at a brick and mortar though. The casuals will appreciate A1ups more I think, but I like ALP for all its modding potential for sure
Awesome vid sir. Super thorough and prob the most fair review I've seen of the LGP. Plenty of little design issues, and the eyesore that is atgames UI, the meh art, that butt-ugly black trim, small back glass, etc but still at 599 it was a steal - just not sure it still is at $750 + shipping (but Wave 5 sold out in 1min this morning so what do I know?).
the $750 includes all the zaccaria tables which are much better than the stock tables. but as mentioned, adding a PC and playing extra pinball thru vpx or fx3 makes it really worth it.
You know what I really need? Some pics on how you wired those terminal blocks. I’ve got all the parts and pieces - things are good to go - except that. I know it sounds really boring - but it’s a huge step that would help take my cab over the 50 yard line and into the red zone for a Touchdown! Thanks for your great long-form content.
do you mean on my A1up pinball mod? my wiring is a big mess still, lol, I need to get in there and clean it up for sure. I still have plans to do a better in depth tutorial on my A1up pinball mod too
@@KongsRUs Yes - that's the one. I did the 32" tv mod with backglass mod... I have the sainsmart - that's the part that gets me. CoolToy did two terminal blocks - one just for positive and one for ground... and he only hooked up one wire to the sainsmart (the positive) and sent all the grounds from the solenoids right to the negative block. Ugh - I just need to copy something and go...
@@misterchip1984 yes, you need individual wires from the positive terminal block to go into each relay on the SainSmart. These are stand alone wires. For each solenoid wire pair, the positive one goes into the SainSmart relay, and the negative one goes into the negative power block. Hope thay makes sense
Could you please explain why you recommend partitioning the usb drive as you did? Is this required to allow one usb drive to be used for both features, Zaccaria tables and CoinOpsX future mods?
yes, the Legends Pinball has only (2) usb ports. The USB 2.0 port is used to connect a USB-A to USB-A Cable to your PC to support OTG mode controls.
that leaves only the USB 3.0 port to have your USB thumb drive. If you don't partition it, you'll only be able to use the single partition and format as FlashdriveX to add Zac packs, etc. partitioning the drive allows you to use AddOnX or CoinOpsX using the single USB thumb drive
@@KongsRUs thanks! That makes sense.
I think it's worth it if you're the Gottlieb fan because not everybody is a fan of FX3 video game style Pinball. It's def worth over A1UP Pinball. I would mod with a tempt second screen and PC for now as atgames will have more add-ons in the future like solenoid. Pinball Emporium is a great option as it is a table pack install unlike Baller Installer which does not come with table pack initially.
Could I hook this up to my lab top? And if so do I need to leave it hooked up to the pinball table
Yes, you could use a laptop and disconnect when not using it
@@KongsRUs I’m sold then, that’s all I needed to hear. Lol
@@KongsRUs even if I want to play the pinball games can I disconnect the lab top
Yes, you can play the stock games
Can you raise the legs ? They seemed low when I tried it but I hear you can raise them a bit .
I think there's some bolts in the legs you can extend an inch or so
Great review Bee! Like the A1Up machine, it sounds like there’s a lot to improve on and the 2nd Gen machines should be a lot better
Great video, keep up the good work.
How you liking the chrome look on the rails ? I don't like the all black and have a bunch of Chrome Mirror vinyl and was thinking of doing it like that.
i like the chrome look personally, but it was a lot of work. not sure if i would add it again if i had to re-do it
Great video! Am I the only one who thinks the backglass monitor is too small? Instead of trying to add HDMI to it I'd like to see if we could add HDMI to the output from the pinball board so we could replace the monitor with a bigger one. Has anyone done this?
it is a little small for a full size backglass. i haven't seen anyone do a bigger screen mod and keeping the stock connection to the PCB. i do have some plans though for a bigger monitor into the backglass with an idea to use the stock screen as my DMD. :)
@@KongsRUs Cool - can't wait to see that!
What about the frame skipping issue in OTG mode? If they can't fix that via firmware, it is kind of worthless unless like a lot of disruptive frame skipping. Added- Or, gut it and use own hardware.
I haven't done enough of my own testing on the OTG frame skipping issue, but I'll be honest as a casual Vpin player, I havent noticed too much when playing a few of my VPX tables.
I'm sure it would be similar to watching 4K TV, and going back to 1080p would be tough. But if you've never experienced 4k, you'd be happy with the 1080p.
Since I haven't played a ton of Vpin in full 60FPS, it's hard to notice the frame skipping issue personally, but ive seen videos and hope they can address it.
Hi, Mr. Kong. I just purchased this table seeing its potential, but I am not technologically advanced. Can you tell me where I can find videos to educate myself better about downloading games and using my PC for this machine? I don't know where to go to get my own games to download, but I want to learn step-by-step. I appreciate any tips and pointers you can give to me. Thank you for the video.
Congrats on your ALP. I highly recommend Wagners Tech Talk who does both written guides and videos about ALP modding wagnerstechtalk.com/alp/
Thanks for the review, will buying this one. Also i look forward to your modding video for fxpinball.
A1up is just 720p that is the deal breaker for me
Check out my Legends Pinball playlist for all my modding videos on the ALP ruclips.net/p/PL3ddx5cOJzsiEuwSBtwRfqFoFtbTp3PGc
I saw the 1up pinballs today . 849 Canadian . Looked quite cheap . The at legends pinball is 999 but not in demo . It looks better quality . Is it ? Thx
Ultimately, it depends on what you're looking for. If you like zen/pinballFx3 style games, and you don't want to do any modding, A1up is a great machine and easier to use. Legends Pinball has 22 built in goetlieb classic tables, and additional expandability to purchase more plus lots of moddind potential. Looks and UI are the biggest downsides of the ALP
@@KongsRUs thx . I didn’t know about the UI . I don’t want to do any modding but do love the old tables which the legends seems to have . When you mention the UI do this mean it’s not intuitive to choose tables , navigate around etc ?
Check out this short video that shows some of my original frustration with the ALP User Interface. They've fixed a few things, and are continually releasing patches to update it . ruclips.net/video/K4B3WcJNz0I/видео.html
Nice review. Like the honesty about not buying just for built in stuff. And really, are people buying AT Games products to play stock stuff? The leaderboards are cool feature, but the tables available are lackluster compared to community creations in Visual Pinball and some of the Future pinball tables. Still can decide on which to get and mod, or attempt a simple cab build. Decisions, decisions.
I have an Arcade1up vs AtGames Pinball video in the works too, comparing stock and modding options!
The value is great for the ALP, don't listen to anyone that says otherwise. I have yet for someone to provide a pre-built alternative that does more for less money. If A1up had a bigger screen and OTG out of the box I would say its a close call. My new ALP was $650 shipped with upgraded control panel, vibs, and bitpixel, and a few extra table packs.. Not sure what comes close to that price for all the features.
My wife watched this and was disgruntled lol. I explained to her "it was rougher back then" they definitely ironed out a lot of the kinks with this machine. The farsight tables are still lackluster and i'm sure that will never change since they appear to be ported from PinballArcade which is not the best anyway, but the Zaccaria and Tiato tables are a blast, looking forward to configuring with a PC and getting all the goodies!
Idk if they updated the speakers but mine bump, can hear it downstairs clear as day on higher settings lol. Had it 2 days so far and carried it up the stairs myself (don't recommend lol) bought the $750 pack and paid $100 to ship, came with Zacc 1-4 and still feels worth it. I have to beg the wife to play the multicade but she's hooked on this thing immediately. Really solid cabinet build too, panels are thick.
Haptics were poop until i updated firmware, now the bumpers and the drop targets THUMP but the ball roll and flipper rumble is weak. I think i can fix the flipper feedback with solenoids, seems easy enough. They really do need to program a sexy frontend for their products, idk why they don't it's not that difficult, other than that i really like mine so far, surpassed my hype levels.
😄, I give a thorough review about its potential throughout so appreciate hearing some of the updates it might have had to optimize it. There's lots of issues that still plague this machine tho with the UI being #1 funky town to this day. If you check out all the mods I did to my ALP, I'm finally happy with it but only because of all the modding I did
What did you use to make your chrome trim so metal looking like? I can't remember where I saw you talking about it. Is it chrome tape?
it's chrome vinyl wrap, link in the description
Bee is this ok spec Lil PC to mod my alp with?Beelink Mini PC SEi10, 10th Gen Intel Core i5-1035G1 Turbo 3.60 GHz, 16GB RAM, 500GB ROM M.2 2280 NVMe SSD, UHD Graphics 4K 60Hz, Triple Display, WiFi 6, BT5.2 ?Thank you
Does triple display mean there are 3 monitor outputs? Usually, PC pinball requires a dedicated graphics card. All the other specs seem ok, but would be worried about your GPU performance
Hey Bee! So it's been several months since you put the vinyl chrome wrap on the side rails & lockdown bar - how has it held up? I'm thinking of doing this, but thought the wrap would wear off after a while. Do you see any issues with this? Would you recommend chroming those parts differently now? Looks really good! Love your videos!
Hey David, the chrome wrap is holding up really well. If you are modding your cab, I'd recommend it be one of the last things you do. Since I kept taking them off and on, they got a little scuffed from me having them lying on the floor amongst my modding mess. Otherwise, I've like the way they turned out to accent my cab
@@KongsRUs Great news! I'm gonna order some of that chrome wrap. I appreciate it! Thanks!!
I like the Arcade 1up's better I think, which can be modded too anyway.
Great review! I'm picking up an Arcade1up Attack From Mars but definitely debating adding an AtGames machine at some point (assuming I have the space for it). Attack From Mars has some incredible included tables and looks fantastic, but there's no arguing that what AtGames is doing is far more flexible.
enjoy the AFM! ALP definitely has more potential, but you'll have fun right away with the AFM I'm sure
Hello! What male to male USB cable are you using and the length? Many reports are it does not work well at all. I'm going to post this to other as well. Thanks!
I used a 3ft one from Amazon, but the key was using a powerd USB hub to make it work consistently
@@KongsRUs That probably should be mentioned and AtGames alerted. The Legends Pro does not need this which suggests a potential impedance issue with the current usb connector set-up on the cabinet.
You did mention in you video and good topic of discussion, since seems prolific. I'm placing bets on a design issue and impedance is the culprit. Not an issue on the Legend Pro or Ultimate, so wonder what got messed up with the pinball cab...
Nice work as always. By any chance do you know if the plunger in the cab can be used w/o any of the ALP hardware meaning connected directly to the PC (usb) or to a KLZ board?
Hmmm, the plunger does have its own hall sensor and wires that could possible be plugged into a kl25z board, but im honestly not sure
Great video, i dont like Atgames stuff just because to actually enjoy them you need to mod and add actual games ppl know and like. Its a nice project piece for those that enjoy that stuff.
Rumbling panel sound is still present. Had to do the sound adj settings to fix it, but someone said they inserted foam in between glass and panel to fix it. The painting is all about the technique.. I saw rattle cans and metal needs to be primed first. Painting in direct sun is a huge no. That metal with soak heat fast and crack paint and improper dry it. Plus other factors like heat, paint type, hardener and whatever. I'm actually in middle redoing completely rusted legs on a 1983 Bally pin restoration. Clear coat via can tomorrow and hand painting legs and bolts after (metallic gold). It took 5 hours on polishing wheels, grinders and prepping, plus a good week for paint curing, etc. You can get the results you want but takes patience and some online googling
imgur.com/a/oJwG4bl
Also in mid project vinyl wrapping my car entirely, the "fingerings" on your vinyl rails are avoided laying it vertically first and a touch of heat gun let it flap over. The wrinkles were caused by tension (pulling).
*You can tell I lost my 18 year tech job via plant closure, and i'm doing all these odd projects now while learning before landing a new job 😅
Oh, I don't disagree with you. Lol, I lack patience and there was a limit I could get to with a chrome look so vinyl wrap was my best bet and I just bought replacement chrome legs for $60
@@KongsRUs very cool. Rails are actually an easy thing to do learning vinyl wrapping as well. A car is a whole different playfield, and cost about $800 in material too lol.
I priced the replacement legs on a full size real pinball machine and at $140 for the 4 with shipping, nope I'll just refinish them.
@@Roadsurfer2k11 here's where I got my set for $55 plus shipping www.pinballlife.com/williams-system-11-chrome-legs-set-of-4.html
@@KongsRUs also great vid! Thanks for the paper tip for top display. The price of real pins have skyrocketed with some in $15,000 ranges, so $600 is a great bargain when you can add OTG. I'll have to wait getting one but for my old, non tech parents they are loving it so far after setting theirs up Saturday. And it saves me a ton of emergency calls fixing their real machine lol because those parts aren't cheap
Great detailed review. Did you get to try to see if the ALP monitor fits in the 1up? Might be a good one to buy to do the cooltoy 32" mod since it has no housing.
i haven't, but not sure you can buy just a single monitor from the website I saw
@@KongsRUs Yeah, looked around. Ali has them but they do not have the back plate etc.
If the user interface is the only issue ... I think most people can live with that as they get use to it. Kind of silly to pass on it because how to select and change configs is a bit wonky but game play is good.
I have no plans to mod. Just going to play stock 22 tables and Zaccaria tables. Haven’t received yet. Now you have me worried! Haha
lol, if you plan to purchase zaccarria, you'll have a better time with those tables IMO than the stock ones. hope you got them on sale!!
the 105 zac tables will keep you plenty busy. They are optimized 100% better than the stock tables and are very fun overall... and dont forget there are more zac tables coming plus the original tables like bubble bobble
Hi, love your modding vids! Could you provide a link for the EDP to HDMI adapter you are using for dual screen? Thanks!
amzn.to/32zpQBH totally forgot to add that! thanks!
Can I play the simpsons pinball on it?
You'd need a PC running VPX to play simpsons pinball party
This or Arcade1Up pinball?? :)
At this point, AtGames Legends Pinball gives you more value for your buck. A1up has better art packages and is simpler UI makes it easier/ideal for families and casual virtual pinball fans to enjoy
Yeah they need to redesign this machine to look better
I just bought one of these for $20!
If you compare this to your star wars review, you had more issues with star wars but said its a good cabinet overall. Yet, this cabinet has way more features but you said its not a good value out of the box. The only thing I agree with is the interface needs to change...
hey Kevgret, appreciate the comments! I do plan to do a full comparison on both as they both have issues. With A1up, I mostly had issues with the monitors and graphics but out of the box, the design/chrome, graphics, UI, haptics, and "name brand" tables are better IMO. You're stuck with those tables unless you mod it, but the overall experience I feel would be better for the casual pinball fan.
For ALP, I have issues out of the box with the design/non-chrome, graphics, haptics, UI, and gameplay of the 22 Gottlieb tables (although the update fixed most of my issues). The pros are the larger playfield, dynamic backglass, connected gaming features, and modding potential. But for the casual fan, you have to buy the zaccarria packs to experience the best of ALP.
I think there's a market for both honestly, but first impressions weighed heavily on me in both my reviews.
thanks for checking it out and giving your feedback!
Good job!
Merci pour cette vidéo. ;) ;)
You're lucky sams sent you both boxes. I only got the playfield and they had to return it
sorry to hear :(
My main problem with the AtGames is that all of these games are great... on real machines. The FX3 games just feel better to me as virtual games. To each their own though.
Thanks for the review and for satisfying my unhealthy obsession of watching you brutally rip apart your arcade cabinets ^^
lol, it's probably unhealthy for me to keep ripping these apart too
I hate the UI on the AtGames products. I have the Legends Gamer Pro. I hacked it with the CoinopsX thinking it would be a cool device that the whole family could enjoy, or that I could use to impress my friends. But the UI is terrible. It's overly complicated, unresponsive, and just a pain to use. It has so many cool games that I added, but I don't even bother touching it because it takes like 10 minutes just to get it working. Pairing the device with the puck is also a pain. It doesn't always pair with the console. So I have to unplug the flash drive, use a usb cable to sync the control panel with the puck, then plug in the flash drive again, mount it again, and go through the terrible UI to load the CoinopsX app. I would like to be able to recommend the device to others, or just lend it to my relatives. But there is no way they would be able to figure out how to use it. Huge waste of money. And the built in games are complete trash.
unplayable garbage until they fix the terrible sound / haptic delay. Mine is a paperweight. *edit- tried the update - it's .. better?
the recent update helped a lot, but its a completely different sound now, and I can't feel the haptics much better at all
All these tables are ass unfortunately.... Only thing this is good for Is modding.... Then it's EXCELLENT for that.... But if you just wanna play something without all the modding, or you don't have a viable pc, then a1up is the best bet
Lol, you summed it up pretty well!
So maybe just modding my 1up pinball is the way to go
it really depends, both have pros and cons to modding. ALP has bigger monitor and is more "easy" to mod and add games. A1up has better aesthetics and ability to reuse the stock solenoids, but you will lose the stock gameplay.
Pathetic review.
Pathetic comment, 😄