9th level spells: The Treantmonk Variant
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
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I'm loving the variants, it's just the persuasion check on my dm that keeps failing.
@@gamecavalier3230 Or 3 levels of Eloquence Bard
I really like the fact that Time Stop basically gives the PC a Legendary Action.
The verbal component of Time Stop is yelling "CUT!" like a director.
Bonus if you're wearing one of those old-time director's berets and holding the megaphone, but these aren't requirements (no material components are required).
I've imagined the Glamour Bard's Mantle of Inspiration as a similar sort of vibe. The storyteller yells, "No, no, no, that's not how this goes. PLACES, EVERYONE!" and the enemies are so overcome by the "director"s magical sense of authority in that moment that they can only stare dumbfounded while the "main characters" rearrange around them. It's a bit meta, but I like it.
NO!!! The only verbal component I will accept for time stop is ZA WORUDO!
@@jbkesselman Then....
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Powerword Heal should also be a bonus action, in addition to all of your changes.
I really like the idea of having weird act as a mass hold monster with some extra effects.
I feel power word heal should also remove any effect that reduces a creature's hit point maximum and cure disease (or at least grant another save against disease) - for completeness sake.
I think it should also return all expendable resources the creature has such as Bardic Inspiration, Spell Slots, Superiority Dice, Divine Intervention and so on
The thing about gate is that I find it lends itself heavily to one of two ways with how it is RAW. It's either for the DM to do an extraplanar invasion thing or for a Conjurer PC to try their luck at binding a big pet for themselves with some prepped magic circles and planar binding. For the spell to now allow you to control the creature relatively uncontested somewhat undermines the amount of effort it takes to summon and bind something so high CR. From experience it takes 2 or more high level caster PC's to pull this off, and it can be quite risky, but is pretty rewarding. Right now I have a wizard who is planning on using glyph of warding to try pull this off on his own.
You're right and all, but one round of controlling the creature is pretty tame. If as the DM you don't like that, you have a dozen ways to fight it, from "lol you can't gate something from that plane, gods said so," to, "the angel glares at you as you make your command, drawing a finger across its neck. Better have some tricks up your sleeve for round 2, because this is going to get very, very bloody," to, "Okay you get one round. It'll succeed on the save though, so be ready to talk your way into some cooperation."
I think thematically, Psychic damage makes more sense than Necrotic for Power Word Kill. It's an Enchantment spell after all, and you're *compelling* the creature to die, not just snuffing out its life force with negative energy. Basically, it's Avada Kedavra.
Interesting, I never thought about it that way, but you may be right...
Woah
Glad to see timestop as a reaction spell and power word kill do damage!
Definitely made my day!
Something we did in a table I played was pile up the effects of Storm of Vengeance, so in the first round you have one effect, in the second two and so on until from fifth to tenth you would have all the effects happening at once. I don't think it becames overpowered even then but WOW does it get fun and FEELS so powerful! My druid felt like a master of nature when I used the spell that way!
Lovely, specially the Time Stop change. Is my favorite 9th lvl spell and never liked the way it works in 5e, this way feels correct.
ooh the Time Stop change is really clever. I like that!
> What comes next
We jump around
Jump around
Jump up and get down
Jump up, jump up and get down
I adore time stop being a reaction. Super cool.
Definitely excited for this one, being waiting for a while now to see how you’d make weird any good
I feel like True Resurrection needs a material component, but ONLY if your trying to resurrect something that only True rez can resurrect. Like something that has no body, has been dead for too long, ext... And at this point you'd need a much longer casting time. To compensate for all of this, if True rez is used like Rivivify/Resurrect, whatever is resurrected has IMMUNITY for one round. Dunno if this would balance it out around wish though.
honestly, instead of buffing true resurrection, I would nerve wish, as it is super op.
You get access to every 1-8 level spell just by taking wish, remember how wizards are op because they are so versatile...
Why does wish have to remove material components and reduce the casting time? That is just stupid. If you had to pay for material components, even if you cast wish, there would be no issues here
Remember, Wish is so strong that it often goes unused and that person wastes a 9th spell slot by not using any 9th level spells during their adventuring day because of its sheer power. This is an interesting downside to Wish I don't see talked about much outside of a select few channels like this one.
@@archmagemc3561 I don't fully understand, what you are saying.
Do you mean, that people do not use wish, because they feel it would be op for the encounter and take the fun out of it?
Or that it is so op, that people do not want to risk using it, because they might need it more later?
@@aldoushuxley5953 The latter. They save it for the perfect moment, whic never comes. So they end up never spending the slot that day and instead using Wish on something like Heroes Feast or Clone.
@@archmagemc3561 Admittedly, I do not have a lot of experience with wish, but I do have some with other "op" spells and limited resources.
I think, this hording psychology of your player is somewhat unique to your group, or at least, I have not observed it.
I don't know your games of course, but I think it could suggest, for example, that you have to many encounters each day, but each is relatively easy. So you are never forced to use it, but there is also no climax to the day, where you know you will have a tough fight.
(like first ambushing guards for informations, then going into the sewers to infiltrate the castle and fight some monsters there, and in the end you confront the villain for the day, who is the hardest fight etc)
BRAVO!! I definitely enjoyed this video, but am more referring to the whole series. Well done, and thank you.
First: thank you for all of your videos. Watching your content has become a routine and comforting part of each day we are stuck inside. My kids can even recognize you by sight or sound.
In this video, you mentioned that you might be producing less content while you re evaluate your variant. Consider this comment (my first ever comment post on RUclips) one man's plea for you to continue making content at your current rate. I prefer the build and strategy guides, because my DM isn't playing your (great) variant, but I watch all the variant videos too, so either way is appreciated!
Thanks for all the amazing content. At this point I've spent more time watching your videos than actually playing DnD :).
I will try to do occasional Friday content, it's mainly an issue of time for me, as I manage a 7-11 so I'm ESSENTIAL! So my time to make videos is limited (as also have a family), but I will do the best I can. Thank you so much for the kind words.
@@TreantmonksTemple Awesome, thanks! Life comes first of course.
I know you were joking, but managing inventory and contamination risks in grocery or convenience store does seem pretty important right now.
I kinda wish that treantmonk variant would be used as a basis for 5.5e.
Great improvements to all the lackluster spells TM!
I would houserule Imprisonment for my PC'sto make it less limiting. The modification is that they can imprison the target in any way as long as:
-They do not die in imprisonment.
-They can not affect the world in a significant way.
So you turn them into a statue, freeze them in time, or capture them in a mirror.
I'm not sure how I feel about Gate giving you control over the summoned creature. Maybe because my first exposure to it was Baldurs Gate 2, where it always summoned a pit fiend that was hostile to everyone. But having the control does bring it more in line with other spells of the same level... And it still isn't overpowered, because more powerful things you might want to summon have either legendary resistances or magic resistance+good charisma save. So you you probably get only a few turns obedience from it.
This is probably fine. Now the ultimate summoning spell is not strictly worse at summoning than true polymorph.
I would also make Power Word Heal a bonus action to cast. It's a 9th level spell for godsake. It needs to be a lot better.
Overall, love the changes, especially to Weird! Two thoughts:
Storm of Vengeance
The mechanical effect of "a severe distraction for the purposes of maintaining concentration on spells" is unclear - it appears to be a vestigial rule. I understand that DMs may make of this what they will, but I would consider clarifying that a creature in the spell's area has disadvantage on Constitution saving throws made to maintain concentration on a spell when it takes damage; that when a creature enters the area for the first time on a turn or starts its turn there, it must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain concentration on a spell (with a DC equal to the caster's spell save DC or a flat DC); or similar…
Time Stop
At first blush, I did like the idea of making this a reaction, but the more I think about it, I find that it invites all sorts of issues.
The change also makes it nearly impossible to use in any context other than combat. The versatility and rp value of time stop are some of the most compelling reasons to take it. Haven’t rolled initiative yet, but negotiations are going south? Time Stop to gain the upper hand!
Now onto the confusion. This points to one of my biggest issues with 5e: the vagaries and limitations of the action economy. How does allowing one creature to take multiple turns as a reaction during another creature's action affect the action economy? Does the reaction here trigger only "when a creature you can see takes an action"? What if the creature takes a bonus action or a reaction? Maybe you wouldn't use time stop when your ally is casting storm of vengeance, but you might when your foe attempts to counterspell it, or later when they try to misty step away or bring their ally back with healing word. But if you allow a reaction to trigger it, could the caster of time stop then interrupt the casting of counterspell with one of their actions? If only triggered when another creature takes an action, what if the action the other creature takes is a spell with a duration of instantaneous? Is the reaction from time stop more instantaneous than instantaneous, or is it triggered before the casting?
The effects of a "severe distraction" on concentration are detailed in the PHB. I don't have the page # on me at the moment, but if you check concentration in the PHB index you'll find it.
As for out of combat Time Stop, I suppose that's true - though I've never seen Time Stop used outside of combat personally.
Regarding the trigger - no, a reaction or bonus action cannot be interrupted as the reaction is triggered "when a creature that you can see takes an action". In regards to Instantaneous spells, that effect occurs after the spell is complete, and the text of Time Stop should make it clear that it takes effect before the results of the interrupted action occur.
About Action Economy, remember that by the time the player characters can cast 9th level spells, a necromancy Wizard can have hundreds of zombie and skeleton servants, so the action economy is already meant to be defeated. Plus, as a 9th level spell, it is supposed to break things.
Great changes. Can't think of anything wrong with them. Time Stop as a reaction is really cool. I still don't like the "can't affect others in any way" clause and would just change that to a "no damage" clause. The ability to move, swap, or reorient other creatures is just too cool.
lol - you're thinking of this aren't you? ruclips.net/video/T9GFyZ5LREQ/видео.html
Yeah, that would be cool. Not sure how I would work it mechanically though
Storm of Vengeance is better but I think you should be able to move it to a different location per round, that way it might not be 'city-sized' but you could affect a lot more of a city or similar.
I also think Wizards should hire you for all the work you do fixing their gaffs.
I understand where you are coming from with True Resurrection. However, a single action to Rez a 200 year old corpse seems to lack flavor. I feel like ritual type timing is important. (Turning it into a ritual would seem to be problematic but interesting.) Having no material makes me also wonder about how it might work and affect cities and churches if it is a free benefit from a benevolent leadership.
I had a similar thought. However, it's a 9th-level spell. That means there are only a few cities where even one person can cast it. Those few people are already charging through the nose for 9th-level spellcasting services. Add to that this spell is in hugely high demand, so the casters can charge 250,000 gp without a material component being required at all. Then, add that the casters who have ready access to the spell are either players (who are a wild bunch, but get a pass to do what they want) or they are literally the world's wisest people, and would generally not throw the spell around willy-nilly. It's a self-limiting spell.
Or it's handled as "push Ctrl-9 on your hotbar every time the ability refreshes," but the people who play like that have much bigger problems.
As usual, good thematic fixes, except for the big AOE. I like upscaling all the effects of Storm of Vengeance by 4d6 and making the options flexible, but allowing the user to pick the same option over and over means that no one will use the acid or bludgeoning options. This works against the theme/fantasy of the spell, which is summoning all the elements of nature to your command. Even "you can't pick the same action twice" doesn't get around this. I don't like buffing the acid/bludgeoning to be competitive with lightning either; this spell already does more damage than Meteor Swarm (concentration is not an issue with infinite range), it's just less useful when used to attack a city.
Why would nobody take the acid/bludgeoning options? Let's say I'm hitting 100 enemies with this, and the 2ndary effects of interrupting concentration etc are not really helpful - 5d6 damage with no save becomes by far the most effective option.
Finally!
6:53 Actually, Mass Heal goes heals up to 700 HP, not 400. Point still stands, though.
I love the true resurrection change. I did want to ask if you are continuing the cleric videos? I may be mistaken, but after the last one, didn’t you say there was another cleric topic to be covered? Thanks for the videos!
There is a lot of Cleric content still to cover, I took a break to work on some Wildemount content since that was new content.
Treantmonk's Temple thank you for the update. No rush I was just curious. I appreciate all the content.
I would be awesome to have the TM Variants in DnD Beyond as homebrew!
The spells can be done, unfortunately due to restrictions on Feat homebrew options and no base class homebrew - a lot cannot be added at this time.
@@TreantmonksTemple Cool...It would be awesome to have them compiled in a DM's Guild source! You put a lot of effort into it and the result is really good. I will likely buy it when it's released..
My issue with imprisonment is that it has both unreasonable casting time AND save or do nothing. And gives you permaimmunity if you make the save. I think this is too many conditions.
I would make it range of touch, and either no save OR casting time of one action. And dex save instead of wisdom. I don't think that would make it overpowered, considering what else is available at this level. But it would be possible to actually use.
Wait, so nothing happens on a successful initial save vs Weird? I think there should at least be some damage or maybe a 1-round fear effect.
Otherwise, great work as always. I can only applaud the overall internal consistency of your variant.
Yes, nothing happens on a successful save - but assuming you are targeting several creatures, they would all have to make their saves for nothing to happen.
With this wording power word kill permanently reduces the HP max, Is that the intention? Because I feel like it being untill a long rest is a better idea, since you could just cast it, teleport the fuck out, rest, rinse, repeat
No, I need to add a sentence to specify it is recovered after a long rest.
@@TreantmonksTemple In your updated documents you still did not have added such sentence.
Technically, the way a long rest is worded normally, you always regain your hp max.
@@evannibbe9375 "Regain all your hit points" isn't the same as "regain your lost maximum hit points." I think that a long rest doesn't have any impact on your hp max at all, unless the effect that reduces the max says otherwise.
How do the strong winds effect concentration? I tried looking it up and couldn't find any information. Does it give disadvantage to them, does it cause checks on their turn, alternatively, you could also tweak buffs to the spell to prevent concentration entirely within it with the last option.
Short video of a player using a spear and magic helmet as variant material components to cast the _Treantmonk_ variant *Storm of Vengeance* spell (RP heavy):
ruclips.net/video/LHivHuPFBqA/видео.html
I dont know how feasible this is, since im new to the game, but can you make the storm spell a charge type spell that can also be cast as a ritual? Meaning for every minute you prepare, you multiply the radius or something? And if cast as a spell, rather than a ritual, being interrupted or whatever merely completes the spell rather than stops or cancels it. Seems more appropriate for a massive storm type spell.
So what would happen with this version of Weird if a target is immune to being frightened such as anyone in an Aura of Courage? Would they still have to make a save VS paralysis?
By RAW yes, though since they are being "paralyzed with fear" a DM could easily rule that a creature immune to fear is simply immune
Weird- this spell needs a source for the fear so we know where the affected creatures cannot move.
Your Weird spell wording should specifically say that the fear effect does not end. That can be easily missed.
It says, the fear effect "lasts for the duration." which means the duration of the spell.
Could you please do a review of 2cGaming's Epic Legacy Core Rulebook? It adds Epic level play and I think it is amazing flavourvise, but I am really bad at judgeing how balanced something is so I would love to have your opinion.
I don't have it
@@TreantmonksTemple It can be downloaded on their website for free.
Sorry for anwsering late.
Link: www.2cgaming.com/epic-legacy.html#
The discord link doesn’t work for me for some reason. I’ve checked other videos for different links and even your channel’s “About” page, but nothing works.
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I need to check your Storm of Vengeance in detail, I think it became a bit too strong.
Is it stronger than meteor storm now?
Do you feel Astral Projection needs any changes, or is it fine as-is?
Hard to say, it's SO circumstantial, but I don't really know how to fix that.
@@TreantmonksTemple I was thinking that at the very least, it could be way less expensive in its material components, since that's 1,100gp per person in the party every time you want to cast it.
Maybe make it like previous editions, where you still use your astral body instead of your own when you enter other planes? That would make it safe planar travel and significantly expand it's niche.
I hope he fixes the most underpowered spell in all of 5e: wish! 🤣 jk good work on fixing weird
make it, so that you still have to pay for material components, and you keep the spells casting time.
That way, you also wouldn't have to improve true resurrection
dude is that into recorded ? Dam i hear it everytime you make a video its identical xD
Everything is recorded. Otherwise, we wouldn't be hearing anything at all. :)
It's scripted, but I re-record it for every video.
Screw DM’s guild! let’s make some black market hardcovers!
There is nothing preventing you from making your own hardcover with the content as long as you don't sell it.
hmm, Dude i really want to ask a favor of you regarding your fascination on DnD universe there is an anime called Overlord you can watch it in crunchyroll for free that anime man is what made me interested in DnD please consider watching it you will never ever regret watching it, that anime will give WHOLE lot of ideas about necromancy and Instant Death mechanic :P man please consider watching it....
Overlord is pretty cool, yeah. But any fantasy can serve as inspiration for D&D. Even non-fantasy can give inspiration.
Overlord would need tweaking since the whole point is for the evil dude to be completely unbeatable. A game where the bad guy is completely unbeatable wouldn't be a good idea. The whole point is for the PC's to win.
TheRockofShame i just want him to watch it, do you know why? I really want him to make new necromancy spells based on it like the 9th lvl spell Grasp Heart and i want him to take a look at Instant Death mechanic (it uses necromancy spells to cause a living creature to instantly die )😜maybe it can be tweaked a little bit and make it viable 😍just imagine a 20th lvl necromancer that walks the earth and can kill small plants and weak animals and weak humans like peasants instantly just looking at them...Dam that would be So GREAT
@@Deal101 Hes just another fan of D&D. Like us. You also have the power to homebrew things. What you just described reminds me of the two "Consumptive Field" spells from 3.5.
I normally don't watch Anime, but I'll check it out if I have some free time...
@@TreantmonksTemple Thank you so much, it will be worth your time :)
I would have given wish a costly material component, maybe 500-2000gp, and flavored it as an offering to the entity you beseech for the wish. Yes, this would be a nerf to wish and yes, I think it's warranted. I know people don't like nerfs, but just my 2c.
Gate - What about having the creature have disadvantage on the charisma save and unable to spend legendary resistances if you know its true name? Finding a true name can be an entire campaign tbh
I would have given powerword kill the power it actually should have while also keeping it simple:
Save or die, if you save you get hit by 100 points of necrotic damage.
I disagree with that. There are creatures without legendary resistance that should still be threatening for a high-level party, and there are also ways to force a failed save. There's a reason there's a precedent for no true save-or-die spells in the game, since too much of the game's content would be trivialized if you had a good chance to just end the encounter absolutely on round 1.
@@muhammadmousa4192 dude its a 9th lvl spell.....
@@Seelenverheizer Sure, but imo that doesn't mean it should be able to oneshot one of the many CR 15+ creatures that lack legendary resistance. Furthermore, there are also monsters with access to power word kill, and the version of it you're proposing would feel very unfair to use against PCs.
wish needs a nerf.
Isn't having every spell (1-8) in the game in one enough?
I think, making it even stronger by changing the casting time of a spell, or the components required is *complete* nonsense
I see your point but I think this is the intent: to make it the most powerful spell in the game.
On top of that I think most people use it for simulacrum and greater steeds which bards and wizards can already select at lower levels.
On the rare circumstance that a player does wish for something outside the boundaries they take a ton of negative debuffs, have to make a roll to not lose wish forever and the spell text encourages the DM to come up with entertaining consequences.
Of course wish can change the course of an encounter but at that level the DM should be prepared to handle that level of play.
@@Temujin.Thinketh. I have to admit, that I do not have a lot of experience with wish, because my group usually stops around lv 10-15, so this is mostly theoretical.
However, doesn't the "loose wish" penalty only happen, when you want to create effects, that can not be replicated by spells?
Even with my limitations, wish is still the best spell.
Wizards are so strong, because of their flexibility. Otherwise sorcerers would beat them.
So what could be better than a spell, that is EVERY lv 1-8 spell in one?
You don't need to improve those spells (removing components etc) to make wish good, wish is already op, even without that