idk about upward, but the badlands shithouse got it's name from basically being a really small, claustrophobic area that is 'shit' to be in because if you get caught in it youre basically guaranteed to die or take a lot of damage maybe it has the same idea in upward too
I'd like to express my appreciation towards the amount of time and effort that you put into your videos, compared to almost any other RUclips channel that I know. The quality of directing and editing here is amazing, and it really feels like you make these videos out of genuine joy and care for the subjects that you cover. So many channels attempt to minmax their view counts and profits by pumping out short, easy-to-make videos, which results in sub-par experiences for the viewers, but when it comes to your channel, I completely enjoy every single aspect of the videos, and feel like I'm getting way more than expected for my time spent on this channel. Please keep up the amazing work, so hopefully more channels are inspired by this one.
I like to thank too just because the quality of your videos is amazing, but can you but your sentry in the apartments if your team already has one in the balcony (someone asked this not my idea) (in defense). Thanks for the video.
I’d love to see this series but CTF “Now ofcourse, in the intel room” “In the Sewers” “If your feeling like pissing people off hide it under the bridge”
@@TheScootGuy they can, but on top of the bridge is indeed a good strategy as they can’t stand on their battlements. It’s really hard to get up there without dying before setting up a tele though
Uncle Dane Awesome job on this guide! I love all the thoughtful thinking you put to your engineer play and how you're contributing to the community this way. I think a Harvest video for KOTH guide would be great!
Very thorough and detailed, wonderfully done. One ninjaneer play for Blu at last is to put an exit tele at Crates, behind the boxes, though it is kind of cheeky and you have to be unseen for the most part. I found another good sentry spot when on Blu at last is right underneath the last Cap, at the edge of the Pit.
better spot is right at the entrance to crates inside across so red isn't instantly reminded. It has won me a lot of games and compliments from the team
There’s a cool way to dispenser jump up there and put a teleported exit there, and then when the door is shut after 3rd is capped, you basically have an invulnerable teleported right into the op balcony spot
this bush is kind of obvious and not really sneaky at all for attacks. however this bush will last you long enough in order to ambush and touch your victims
Thank you Dane! This is beyond anything you've ever done. The amount of dedication you put in this video is insane. This is something that is extremely helpful to everyone, and will last as long as the map itself. Dane, I am already adoring this series, and would love you to make one based on Lakeside.
How do you do that? When I try, 25% of the time, I just end up knocking them to the place under the tracks and giving them a medium health kit instead of sending them off the cliff.
actually, many comp players run it for max fps and a cleaner look (simpler visual effects). So where this map guide would be most useful would be comp highlander where many run dx8.
I had an weird idea. What if when placing a sneaky mini you put it backwards? imagine this Normally: 1. Enemy enters the mini's fov 2. Mini fires 3. Enemy notices this 4. Enemy backs up to safety 5. Enemy takes care of the sentry, end of scene Rotated: 1. Enemy enters fov 2. Mini starts to rotate 3. Enemy continues unaware of sentry 4. Sentry fires 5. Enemy has now no place to hide and hopefully will fall to the sentry. Sure its unreliable and extremely situational but maybe just something fun to test.
Loud beeping noises are still silent when compared to the sound of a revved up heavy, or a soldier firing his rockets. The sounds of fighting on the frontline drown out the sound of a mini-sentry. The biggest concern would actually be the little light on the top of the gun. The bigger issue with the rotated gun is that it is slower to react. If an enemy does know about it, it's much easier to take out, and the rotation of the gun risks putting the front of the gun outside of where ever you're hiding it based on the shape of the bush/rock/plank/whatever.
I use this trap setup fairly often and it gets me kills I wouldn't have otherwise gotten using the same placements. The gun does beep, but the hit indicators are the much more obvious giveaway to its presence and location. It's not appropriate for every situation, but there are definitely areas where it works out well.
Jack McGillion Time zones mate. I live in the aussie zone, and every time I wake up in the morning there's something different everyday. Today I woke up and watched the logan trailer, read dead trailer, nintendo's new pad and the stylosa patch notes.
I made my entire team go engie on this map, twice and both on offense What we did is we had some engies pushing the cart and some chasing off the enemies at the front lines and between the cart and the front line we’d have engies placing sentries to ward off any enemies, it was flawless
Now try having the entire team as Scout on Defense. Some scattergun skirmishers on the front line attacking the Blue team from every possible angle, while shortstops run support to pepper Pyros and minies, as well as spycheck.
Upward has been my favorite map since I was a complete newbie fooling around with bots. Fantastic to see you look at it with so much thought and detail.
Uncle Dane, at some point in the past: "I won't tell you what sentry spots to use, just show you how to pick them." Uncle Dane now: "So anyway here's the comp meta for Engie"
JoshabitheTogekiss The beginning of the video said he wasn't telling you HOW to engie, he is explaining why certain spots are good in comp. He still wants you to be creative and find your own sentry spots, but it is good to learn from example. Learning about the meta will help you understand it and add to it.
I once held second point by placing a level 3 Dispenser and Gun by the tunnel spawn. We had 2 heavies, a medic, a pyro, and myself all holed up in there protecting the cart. It was the first time I played Engineer well in my entire TF2 career, and I was happy.
Geez man, you put sooooo much work into these videos and it shows. I can’t even imagine having this much knowledge about a class, even Medic, my main, which seems much less complicated. Your dedication is quite inspiring!
When i'm playing on Defense and my team is back on last, I like to put my sentry on the two stacked crates in main. It gives Blu quite a shock, and it isn't that easily taken by that corner.
Herobrine0412. Yea, 90% of the time my sentry spots are innefective and my dispenser doesn't help my team... I honestly believe it would be very helpful.
I really like the note you added at the end saying you would make an update video if the map had any changes, but as you make more episodes of this series, that would increase your work exponentially as more and more maps get updated
This video makes me really happy. I don't even play TF2, but I absolutely love the teamwork, the lateral thinking, the problem solving of it all. Watching competitive TF2 players put a different slant on a traditionally casual game, and the thought that goes into such traditionally linear things as building placement and rollouts... Just... Please Dane, May I have some more?
Lately I've been having fun with the Eureka Effect and I found a decent spot behind the roof at BLU's first spawn. You can place a teleporter behind the small rock and people won't notice it. It's really only good with the Eureka Effect because it is quite easy to get trapped there and you'll have to teleport out of there at some point. Great for ninjaneer.
@@andrj8844 its also pretty good map for people to play. Not as good as Upward, but certainly well balanced. Of course people want Badwater. (Its a place where people play to actually learn, unlike 2 Fort).
Engineer education. Wonderful! This is like taking a night school class on the best aspects of engineering in the game. Taking all other classes into consideration as well as the pluses and minuses of each situation where you may ask yourself "where" and "why". This is exactly the kind of in depth video I'd expect from you. Well done and thanks.
17:35 "It's pretty common for newer player to ignore this dropdown" I've been playing this game for a thousand fucking hours. Never realized that path existed. I feel so ashamed now
I've known about it (only like 500 hours) but I always forget it. Although once BLU manages to push, I can use that spot to flank, as you can put a tele exit there before you cap third.
I got an idea for a new construction PDA. Disposable PDA: Replaces the dispenser and teleporters with a mini-spenser and speed boosting pad. The Mini-Spenser: 1 second build time. 50 metal cost. Can build 2. 5 health/second. Infinite ammo and metal. 10% ammo regenerated per second. 75 health per Mini-Spenser. Speed Boosting Pad: 1.5 X walking speed for 1 - 3 - 5 seconds depending on level. 160 metal build cost. Only 100 metal to upgrade. 50 with Eureka Effect. (eureka effect increases walkspeed when 'teleporting' to exit)
I have been playing a lot of engineer a lot (trying to play classes more that I do t play) and this really helps I've been able to almost keep the entire team at bay to my sentrys
Depends on how you play it. For offense, If you have a decent team, an early push to hold between C, B, and E can be very effective. Your team can effectively push 3 points without you needing to move, and if you have a team that can support you, that spot is very hard to dislodge. A spy can't take your tele since your entrance can be built in spawn (that's the one thing I hate about Steel actually, it renders a spy's ability to take teles completely useless). If you're fast enough, your team can push B from 2 sides, and can also push E if necessary to get the enemy to back off. Alternatively building between D, A, and E is a decent spot too. You don't really need to worry about being flanked, and your team can keep the pressure up for the last 2 points. I don't have time to go over defense atm, but the standard pub spots usually work fairly well.
Clnr0n05 I disagree,spy is almost useless in steel there are like a thousand ways to play steel as the spy though, 1 is to get a shit log, assist your sniper, keep white room with your soldier or scout, or just being a knife spy.
Gregori meta I never said spy was useless. I said that the spy's ability to take teleporters is useless for that map. I play spy all the time on Steel.
Im an engi main myself, it was nice hearing your tactics, you made some really good points, and that sentry spot outside the end of the cave positioned to the right is a good spot i never thought about.
Some Random Warlock plenty of people know these spots and it's not like your sentry or teleporter is invisible. The enemy team can see it from a range. It doesn't matter if they know the classic spots or not
When you said "you can coordinate with your spy and jump out of this window and wreak havoc" or whatever you said when you were describing offensive strategy, I got an idea for a spy sapper replacement. Spy weapon Sapper replacement +Building is disabled for an additional 3 seconds after sapper is removed +50% sapper health +When sapper is placed on a building, the building will be highlighted (wallhacks) for your team and your team will be notified that the building is being sapped -80% sapper damage penalty -When sapper is removed, spy is marked for death for 3 seconds The strategy would be to coordinate with your team to destroy a nest. Instead of the spy taking out the building on his own, he'd act as an actual support class, disabling the building so a power class can come in and just totally wreck everything.
Dane thank you so much for this video! Ever since you posted it I have seen tons of f2p engies building in good spots, and people using map call outs on voice chat and regular chat. I'm really glad for this and I hope you can do other maps, as the extra support from engies has really helped. Stay cool man.
I saw you demonstrate the hop to that fenced off platform at 16:30 and kinda screamed with joy because I had no clue that was possible but was considering how well it would work if built on that ledge. Looks like I need to practice jumping as engie more
When the first point is capped, when it’s safe, I like to take my tele-entrance to the last point spawn so it doesn’t get destroyed when they cap the second point.
Awesome work. I see the dedication and details you put in this. I carefully watched every single second of it, during multiple stacked sessions. Didn't bother seeing a new Ad at every session lol. You deserve it.
Never heard of the "Pub Push"? It's when the game goes into overtime and everyone on blue realizes there's an objective, so they make a last-minute push. It often works.
You can get a pub team to cooperate. I usually am the single medic of the team, and since people need me to keep them in the fight I press the mic button and start calling the shots. The key to make them behave is to compliment their performance mid-opperation.
soldiers in the shit house shooting rockets out the door, medics, heavys, scouts, and snipers laying on the floor. level three sentries firing down the tracks, destroying even the most well planed attacks
I don't even like playing as engineer but 90% of the time I am forced to play as one because the teams that I'm paired with neglect to have any sort of Defense so I have to watch your videos not saying they're bad or anything just I don't main engineer so I'm not particularly a good engineer luckily I'm not bad I'm just painfully average
If my team doesn't have one(and sometimes if they do) I'll go Medic, my personal fave. It's similar to Engineer in that the more passive role plays a much bigger part in the game. And seeing that hp rise and my teamates push ahead makes me feel good, similar to a sentry denying a push.
+Pope Potato I haven't played in awhile (no internet since May, kill me now), but I would always play half pocket by sticking close to the super pro Hale's Own stranges Heavy or Soldier(because they knew to fucking protect me and work together) while healing anyone nearby/in trouble. Otherwise, I just stick with the team. Also can Valve just fucking release an australium kritkrieg?! I've wanted that for over a year, and I have the perfect name! "Wunderwaffe DG3 JZ"
Pope Potato may I recommend the quick fix sure it doesn't over heal as much but the play style that I use for medic is just to heal what's necessary and move on to the next person
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> watches video's full length
> takes intensive notes
> 5 engies on my team
Such is life
- ass ketchup 2k17
"Such is life"
-Other Gopher, 2019
You know, it really do be like that sometimes.
And they are all on last
That light on the mini was added for the exact reason you pointed out, bushes and other small hiding spots.
use a normal sentry then
@@mateuszodrzywoek8658 too thicc
S A N S
Hey Sans!
Oh no it sans from undertale TM I m going to have an unpleasant period
"Make sure to keep a close eye on the shithouse"
-Uncle Dane 2016
@@joyfulruin i think we all know what happens there
wtf he said that at the EXACT time I read this
@@guscox9651 there a spy in there
@@autopilotjk3180 sounds like what a SPAH would say
17:13 if any one wanted to know
Alternative title:
“Top 10 bushes on Upward”
*Snaps* yes
OMG YEEESSS
@@thepea7858 no
I love bush
I have 500 hours in this game and didn't know about that drop down. I play upward a lot.
The exact same thing with me. Time to overuse it!
I learned about it when I reached around 1000 hours xD
I have more than 500 hours. Played upward somewhat like 10 times
when in the video does he talk about it ?
what is it ?
Teh Gerumpe - 17:34 , I have got more than 5k hours and didn’t even know about it. I am a 6s player though
Fitting that the first map in "Engineer's Blueprints" was added in the Engineer Update.
wow i forgot xD
didnt realized it so long
Is there a backstory for the name 'Shithouse'?
I mean... look at it. It's awful. I wouldn't want that to be my house, it's shit.
Herbivore The Carnivore Badlands mid also has a callout called "shithouse".
It's a fixerupper.
therefore being a "shithouse"? :D
idk about upward, but the badlands shithouse got it's name from basically being a really small, claustrophobic area that is 'shit' to be in because if you get caught in it youre basically guaranteed to die or take a lot of damage
maybe it has the same idea in upward too
I'd like to express my appreciation towards the amount of time and effort that you put into your videos, compared to almost any other RUclips channel that I know. The quality of directing and editing here is amazing, and it really feels like you make these videos out of genuine joy and care for the subjects that you cover. So many channels attempt to minmax their view counts and profits by pumping out short, easy-to-make videos, which results in sub-par experiences for the viewers, but when it comes to your channel, I completely enjoy every single aspect of the videos, and feel like I'm getting way more than expected for my time spent on this channel. Please keep up the amazing work, so hopefully more channels are inspired by this one.
Thanks man, comments like yours are a big part of the reason why I do it. :)
I like to thank too just because the quality of your videos is amazing, but can you but your sentry in the apartments if your team already has one in the balcony (someone asked this not my idea) (in defense). Thanks for the video.
Uncle Dane I tried placing a sentry on the last point near the pit on defense and I was actually successful.
Uncle Dane hey pls tell other tf2 youtubers to do stuff like this
+RatedEforedge pub?
Love how there are callouts like Main, Cliff, and Tunnel, while there are callouts like Shithouse, and Pub Spot.
I’d love to see this series but CTF
“Now ofcourse, in the intel room”
“In the Sewers”
“If your feeling like pissing people off hide it under the bridge”
Engishark is just as valid of a strategy as pyroshark
Engi-eel
Charlie Botterell best part is with a dispenser you don’t need air
just fucking place it on the bridge itself, better yet, on top of the bridge, it isnt like the snipers can aim
@@TheScootGuy they can, but on top of the bridge is indeed a good strategy as they can’t stand on their battlements. It’s really
hard to get up there without dying before setting up a tele though
Let me know what map you want me to talk about next. I'd like to do a King Of The Hill one next. Thanks for watching, if you did. :)
Uncle Dane harvest!! or maybe viaduct
+Uncle Dane I'm totally down for Badwater, favorite payload map right there.
Uncle Dane I'd love if you could talk about Double Cross. I play alot on this map, and I can't see any good place for my sentry...
Uncle Dane Awesome job on this guide! I love all the thoughtful thinking you put to your engineer play and how you're contributing to the community this way. I think a Harvest video for KOTH guide would be great!
Well if you can talk about frontier please
What if I'm on team spectator?
witness how terrible everyone is
Caboose Banana Ghost out flankers and spies to be an ass
Caboose Banana go on a capture the flag map and witness the f2p
Caboose Banana u
Recreate the Rancho Relaxo taunt IRL
Very thorough and detailed, wonderfully done.
One ninjaneer play for Blu at last is to put an exit tele at Crates, behind the boxes, though it is kind of cheeky and you have to be unseen for the most part.
I found another good sentry spot when on Blu at last is right underneath the last Cap, at the edge of the Pit.
the man
better spot is right at the entrance to crates inside across so red isn't instantly reminded. It has won me a lot of games and compliments from the team
naga this is unintelligble
17:35 I've played Upward so many times, it is my favorite payload map, and I have never noticed there was a door there.
There’s a cool way to dispenser jump up there and put a teleported exit there, and then when the door is shut after 3rd is capped, you basically have an invulnerable teleported right into the op balcony spot
@@toxictoast9947 ahh well
The Pit is obviously the best sentry spot smh
Great for teleports too
it'll shoot the cart which makes the game unwinnable for the blu team
Hamburber
Timestamp?
@@yambu1078 good point
Thank you for this, I border-line spontaneously became the main engi for a highlander team and these videos are so helpful. Thanks uncle.
"My favorite bushes include"
include sour diesel, OG Kush, and Tom cruise purple
"Mia Khalifa and Alexis Texas" ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
this bush is kind of obvious and not really sneaky at all for attacks. however this bush will last you long enough in order to ambush and touch your victims
is that the weird part to you and not the shear thought of BUSH CAMPING SENTRY GUNS!
owo
You know you're in for a bumpy ride when even the ads buffer
nice amount of upvotes
shit i mean likes
@@slysamuel5902 ok
*Reddit 100*
i don't mind the ads
i don't mind the buffer
but when the ads buffer
i suffer
This video was so relaxing, I got through 8 minutes and took a nap for an hour and a half.
dont call me out like that
"If you have the highground you will almost always win." You underestimate my uber...
and then you realise you can't reach a sentry on a balcony with uber from the entrance. and then you die
true
a quickfix medic and a soldier could reach it,techicaly but only problem is.. sentry knock back..
good to know
Looks like nobody got the joke.
"It is over, BLU team, I have the high ground"
"You underestimated our power" *medic activates uber*
*Also Pyro: instantly gets mowed down by blu team
@@bruh-dj5uo the engi: *uses wrangler and presses 2* now im invincible
Then
Rescue ranger moves the sentry
@ALT F4 * uber duo dies a clumsy painful death*
ankle Dane is a very gud video maker main
ankle daine is a varly gud vidio makr main
Ocean Matt
ancle dan is a verly gud vidio man
Ankle Daine is a verlay gud vidia makr main...
Male sibling of a biological parent named Dane is a quite adequate videographer.
Aaron Tobias *an
"If the map has been updated"
Good joke.
it's been a year and it's still accurate come ON VALVE
This just gets funnier and sadder the longer nothing happens..
heavy update! coming soon when the sun explodes
@@consumerofbepsi5254 coming once sticky bombs automatically detonate
Technically it was updated in May when they added the Soldier statues to every map. But that was only for that month.
wait was this made before the short circuit was a dragon ball z attck
this was made before a zap can make a rANd0M cRI0cKeT vanish, so yeah
I dont need sleep its a 40 min dane video
Ikr? lol
Dank is love dank is meemz
exactly me
Fuck, it's almost 3 in the morning.
Well, I'm off to play 2fort
I was up until 1:30 am on New Year...
But,we can't do it when we got 4 snipers and 3 spies :'(
So true :'c
+ΑΝΤΩΝΗΣ ΣΑΜΠΙΩΤΑΚΗΣ why doesnt valve make a limit on how much players can choose that class
specifically sniper,spy, engineer
because pubs
You, Overwatch players will never understang this
Witold Kowalski what
Thank you Dane! This is beyond anything you've ever done. The amount of dedication you put in this video is insane. This is something that is extremely helpful to everyone, and will last as long as the map itself. Dane, I am already adoring this series, and would love you to make one based on Lakeside.
Its fun playing as pyro on this map when the cart reaches a certain area that is near a cliffside, you can airblast your foes to their doom...
I actually used that strat our team was getting rolled and I just held down M2 at the last 5 seconds and we won
How do you do that? When I try, 25% of the time, I just end up knocking them to the place under the tracks and giving them a medium health kit instead of sending them off the cliff.
@PastedA1M If i do that I send them off the cliff instead of to the health? Thanks.
Or shove them (bad idea)
Quick note- if enemy has dx8 small bushes don't exist on upward.
since most people dont know/dont use or want skins and sheens, it wouldnt matter
actually, many comp players run it for max fps and a cleaner look (simpler visual effects). So where this map guide would be most useful would be comp highlander where many run dx8.
END films I had to change of dx8 for my hud crosshair to work ;-;
@@ENDfilms44 bold of you to assume that comp players know any other gamemode than 5cp
@@leonardo9259 lmao imagine 5cp highlander where 5 classes are near useless all the time
The fact that this series exists makes me so happy xDD
I had an weird idea. What if when placing a sneaky mini you put it backwards? imagine this
Normally: 1. Enemy enters the mini's fov 2. Mini fires 3. Enemy notices this 4. Enemy backs up to safety 5. Enemy takes care of the sentry, end of scene
Rotated: 1. Enemy enters fov 2. Mini starts to rotate 3. Enemy continues unaware of sentry 4. Sentry fires 5. Enemy has now no place to hide and hopefully will fall to the sentry.
Sure its unreliable and extremely situational but maybe just something fun to test.
I know. Not much better but if you held the sentry still with the wrangler it doesn't make the noise.
puskajussi37 Wrangler has a big bubble but I love the idea. People ignore sentry sounds on pubs anyways.
Loud beeping noises are still silent when compared to the sound of a revved up heavy, or a soldier firing his rockets. The sounds of fighting on the frontline drown out the sound of a mini-sentry. The biggest concern would actually be the little light on the top of the gun.
The bigger issue with the rotated gun is that it is slower to react. If an enemy does know about it, it's much easier to take out, and the rotation of the gun risks putting the front of the gun outside of where ever you're hiding it based on the shape of the bush/rock/plank/whatever.
I use this trap setup fairly often and it gets me kills I wouldn't have otherwise gotten using the same placements. The gun does beep, but the hit indicators are the much more obvious giveaway to its presence and location. It's not appropriate for every situation, but there are definitely areas where it works out well.
anyone else looking over the fact that you get an audible alert when an enemy sentry targets you? No? Ok.
Just got home from school, duncle aane uploaded 20 mins ago.
*happiness*
You just got home? I have to go to school soon ;-;
Jack McGillion Time zones mate. I live in the aussie zone, and every time I wake up in the morning there's something different everyday. Today I woke up and watched the logan trailer, read dead trailer, nintendo's new pad and the stylosa patch notes.
hello lost brother
ᆞ Zen "duncle aane"
*Duncle aane*
A drinking game: Take a shot every time he says "Cheeky".
help me im ded
Or bush, class/classes, aggressive and passive
Take a shot every time he says sniper sightline
I made my entire team go engie on this map, twice and both on offense
What we did is we had some engies pushing the cart and some chasing off the enemies at the front lines and between the cart and the front line we’d have engies placing sentries to ward off any enemies, it was flawless
Engineer gaming
Now try having the entire team as Scout on Defense. Some scattergun skirmishers on the front line attacking the Blue team from every possible angle, while shortstops run support to pepper Pyros and minies, as well as spycheck.
"Let's switch teams here!" That made me a little bit sad.
Flashbacks of Auto-Balance...
I miss auto balance ;-;
y u do dis gaben ;-; auto-balance wes da only gud ting in tf2.
Potatochip Army
Rest in picklechips auto-balance.
thats one weird opinion because auto balance was heavily hated in the community for never working as intended
I've been playing this map so awfully jesus christ
CryptoLockerdotexe is not responding same o.o
I mean, imagine the opposite of what this guide says
"That's a usual pub spot"
"Too aggressive"
"It'll be easily destroyed and/or sappped"
CryptoLockerdotexe is not responding why the fuck u have a masha n medved
Masha is clinically depressed
rip masha
Upward has been my favorite map since I was a complete newbie fooling around with bots. Fantastic to see you look at it with so much thought and detail.
Just one thing: please, DON'T place teleporters facing the WALL. -_-
Ricardo Caco better then a cliff
@@ultimaterecoil1136 still bad placement tho
plase du btv i are spey main you kan tel becous mj spel gud end i hev anim profil pektur
Free Backstabs!
Then place it near a cliff, MUCH more safer. Since the spies won’t get kills.
I look forward to seeing you talk about cp_steel. Steel is so dynamic, and it's one of my favorite maps.
Steel is hydro but good
Uncle Dane, at some point in the past: "I won't tell you what sentry spots to use, just show you how to pick them."
Uncle Dane now: "So anyway here's the comp meta for Engie"
JoshabitheTogekiss The beginning of the video said he wasn't telling you HOW to engie, he is explaining why certain spots are good in comp. He still wants you to be creative and find your own sentry spots, but it is good to learn from example. Learning about the meta will help you understand it and add to it.
Two times I've won a comp match by having an entire team of battle engineers, there is no sure meta for engie comp.
"Time's change"
I once held second point by placing a level 3 Dispenser and Gun by the tunnel spawn. We had 2 heavies, a medic, a pyro, and myself all holed up in there protecting the cart. It was the first time I played Engineer well in my entire TF2 career, and I was happy.
17:37 WTF!! I've been playing on upward for 4 years and I DID NOT know that xD
I'm ashamed to say that I've been playing on Upward for 4-5 years and also did not know about that drop until watching this video. :(
5 Years leter, still the most educational video on the internet.
Geez man, you put sooooo much work into these videos and it shows. I can’t even imagine having this much knowledge about a class, even Medic, my main, which seems much less complicated. Your dedication is quite inspiring!
do map cp_dustbowl next,I never know where to place my sentry
Terry Piggy dustbowl is The worst map in The game
Spence ...Have you PLAYED Hoodoo?
hydro
Junction is the worst official map. Hoodoo isn't far behind.
+Spence how dare you offend me :( i loveD dustbowl
i love badwater now
Ankle Dan is a very good Upwerd man.
Anka den iz a beri gud upwerd mun
Dncle Aane
"Engineer in the Shithouse!" Can't wait to yell that in competitive.
Did ya?
We require an update
Just wow. The amount of effort that must have gone into making this video is amazing, and the quality is great.
Very good work Dane!
Hey Dane you should review the map Badwater as it is a very big pubber map as it is also ran in competitive play : ^ )
suhh dude.
suhh
And I definitely plan on it. It's a 6v6 map now, lol
Uncle Dane The shithouse...
Uncle Dane I think the shithouse should instead be the C house
When i'm playing on Defense and my team is back on last, I like to put my sentry on the two stacked crates in main. It gives Blu quite a shock, and it isn't that easily taken by that corner.
Can you do a MvM map next?
Herobrine0412. That is a really good idea.
+Damidget utubes it is?
Herobrine0412. Yea, 90% of the time my sentry spots are innefective and my dispenser doesn't help my team... I honestly believe it would be very helpful.
+Damidget utubes wow same a bit
Easy just slap a nest near the robot spawns and win
29:29 "Teleporter goin' BAM!"
I really like the note you added at the end saying you would make an update video if the map had any changes, but as you make more episodes of this series, that would increase your work exponentially as more and more maps get updated
Hahahaha, maps getting updated.
This video makes me really happy. I don't even play TF2, but I absolutely love the teamwork, the lateral thinking, the problem solving of it all. Watching competitive TF2 players put a different slant on a traditionally casual game, and the thought that goes into such traditionally linear things as building placement and rollouts... Just...
Please Dane, May I have some more?
Happy Anniversary to one of Dane's most underrated series. I don't even play engineer all that much and this is still super interesting.
I still come back here too. Even as a medic, you can learn a lot.
Lately I've been having fun with the Eureka Effect and I found a decent spot behind the roof at BLU's first spawn. You can place a teleporter behind the small rock and people won't notice it. It's really only good with the Eureka Effect because it is quite easy to get trapped there and you'll have to teleport out of there at some point. Great for ninjaneer.
PLEASE Engineer’s blueprints for Badwater!
thats goo common for people i think a more obscure map would be better
Your wish has come true
@@andrj8844 its also pretty good map for people to play. Not as good as Upward, but certainly well balanced. Of course people want Badwater. (Its a place where people play to actually learn, unlike 2 Fort).
@Kat Ada Roselyn i only said it would be better, but i enjoyed the vid.
Engineer education. Wonderful!
This is like taking a night school class on the best aspects of engineering in the game. Taking all other classes into consideration as well as the pluses and minuses of each situation where you may ask yourself "where" and "why".
This is exactly the kind of in depth video I'd expect from you. Well done and thanks.
"its pretty common for newer players to ignore this drop down..." bro i didn't know about that until I had played well over 1000 hours
1) why is pit even a call out
2) why is shithouse the best name for a callout in all of comp history? well maybe cheese is better
"Soldier's jumping over pit" "Scout's Jumping over pit" "Demo's jumping over pit."
Also shithouse is funny
Nemesis
Shithouse is quicker to say then C-house. Not the biggest fan of it, but it works.
I thought it meant shedhouse?
Han Hong
It would then have been called "shed."
17:35
"It's pretty common for newer player to ignore this dropdown"
I've been playing this game for a thousand fucking hours. Never realized that path existed. I feel so ashamed now
I've known about it (only like 500 hours) but I always forget it. Although once BLU manages to push, I can use that spot to flank, as you can put a tele exit there before you cap third.
I got an idea for a new construction PDA.
Disposable PDA:
Replaces the dispenser and teleporters with a mini-spenser and speed boosting pad.
The Mini-Spenser:
1 second build time.
50 metal cost.
Can build 2.
5 health/second.
Infinite ammo and metal.
10% ammo regenerated per second.
75 health per Mini-Spenser.
Speed Boosting Pad:
1.5 X walking speed for 1 - 3 - 5 seconds depending on level.
160 metal build cost.
Only 100 metal to upgrade.
50 with Eureka Effect.
(eureka effect increases walkspeed when 'teleporting' to exit)
There is a mini-Spenser currently on the workshop so maybe this idea could get into the game if valve decides to actually update this game
You didn't come up with that, you're just copying the scrapped engineer PDA concept.
I have been playing a lot of engineer a lot (trying to play classes more that I do t play) and this really helps I've been able to almost keep the entire team at bay to my sentrys
Very, very impressive guide here. You, sir, have earned yourself a subscriber.
I have a feeling this video will be glorious!
Oh and cp_steel video please. That map is hard.
nuh
Apple or maybe because it's the weeks map?
Depends on how you play it. For offense, If you have a decent team, an early push to hold between C, B, and E can be very effective. Your team can effectively push 3 points without you needing to move, and if you have a team that can support you, that spot is very hard to dislodge. A spy can't take your tele since your entrance can be built in spawn (that's the one thing I hate about Steel actually, it renders a spy's ability to take teles completely useless). If you're fast enough, your team can push B from 2 sides, and can also push E if necessary to get the enemy to back off. Alternatively building between D, A, and E is a decent spot too. You don't really need to worry about being flanked, and your team can keep the pressure up for the last 2 points.
I don't have time to go over defense atm, but the standard pub spots usually work fairly well.
Clnr0n05 I disagree,spy is almost useless in steel there are like a thousand ways to play steel as the spy though, 1 is to get a shit log, assist your sniper, keep white room with your soldier or scout, or just being a knife spy.
Gregori meta
I never said spy was useless. I said that the spy's ability to take teleporters is useless for that map. I play spy all the time on Steel.
I just realized that the engineer can secretly be a mastermind leader through subtle placements of dispensers and teleporters
Can’t believe it’s been 7 years
The Engineer's Blueprints are the best of Uncle Dane's videos. Great breakdown of an awesome map!
Im an engi main myself, it was nice hearing your tactics, you made some really good points, and that sentry spot outside the end of the cave positioned to the right is a good spot i never thought about.
Good video for sphee mains so we can find all dem sentrys and keel dem engies
Anoonymoose but unkle dain is a very gud santry maim
But ankle dayne is a very gud stratigy
#savethedemomains
Anoonymoose *shpee
stickybomb launcher demo mains>sphees
That's cool, but the tele spots are going to be near impossible to sustain since your channel is SO popular ;-;
Spy's sapping my sentry
he quit tf2 tho
He actually began playing it again recently.
Actually, I think he just took a break from tf2 videos. He didn't even stop playing.
Some Random Warlock plenty of people know these spots and it's not like your sentry or teleporter is invisible. The enemy team can see it from a range. It doesn't matter if they know the classic spots or not
When you said "you can coordinate with your spy and jump out of this window and wreak havoc" or whatever you said when you were describing offensive strategy, I got an idea for a spy sapper replacement.
Spy weapon
Sapper replacement
+Building is disabled for an additional 3 seconds after sapper is removed
+50% sapper health
+When sapper is placed on a building, the building will be highlighted (wallhacks) for your team and your team will be notified that the building is being sapped
-80% sapper damage penalty
-When sapper is removed, spy is marked for death for 3 seconds
The strategy would be to coordinate with your team to destroy a nest. Instead of the spy taking out the building on his own, he'd act as an actual support class, disabling the building so a power class can come in and just totally wreck everything.
Maybe make it so the spy can't spam the sapper
Otherwise really cool
JuanokuG4 i mean it does say that spy is marked for death once the sap is removed, so the engie can just shotgun the spy when he removes the sap
@@yesno8273 oooooooooooo that's pretty smart
Dane thank you so much for this video! Ever since you posted it I have seen tons of f2p engies building in good spots, and people using map call outs on voice chat and regular chat. I'm really glad for this and I hope you can do other maps, as the extra support from engies has really helped. Stay cool man.
Great video, Dane. Teaches us about the map and how other people will be playing it, along with how we should play it ourselves
haha, wrangler is banned in comp now
sigh... so sade
penis
Dapstart Wut
@@timmygreat1230 ?
Such randomness
@@timmygreat1230 Isnt it critical?
Holy shit TF2 looks so pretty without high FPS configs installed...
Honestly, the amount of stuff you can get rid of in the advanced video settings feels like cheating.
5 years later. I don't play Engi. I don't even play TF2 anymore, and yet here I am. Very cool.
I saw you demonstrate the hop to that fenced off platform at 16:30 and kinda screamed with joy because I had no clue that was possible but was considering how well it would work if built on that ledge. Looks like I need to practice jumping as engie more
I am new to tf2 and my main is an engineer and I find myself on upward a lot. This video was really informative and helpful.
I say good chap, Mister Dane is a very great blueprint Man
By Joe, is he your uncle as well? I thought myself to be the only one! Hello, dear cousin!
Tooltip Tinkerer Why yess good chap,
Well, Bob's yer uncle(No pun intended), that's bloody bonkers!
3min in and I've been playing for about 4 years
and I'm already Fucking mind blown
When the first point is capped, when it’s safe, I like to take my tele-entrance to the last point spawn so it doesn’t get destroyed when they cap the second point.
Awesome work. I see the dedication and details you put in this. I carefully watched every single second of it, during multiple stacked sessions. Didn't bother seeing a new Ad at every session lol. You deserve it.
This guide especially helped for the second point.
I always had a hard time figuring the optimal places until the enemies have almost capped
I'd like to see one of these for a 5 cp map
I love 2 minute videos
36:30
"if anything about this map looks different than what you're used to chances are the map has been updated"
please put these in a playlist when you´ve made more vids like this
he already has
You Found A Canadian Jimbo k
Ive watched this a dozen times but I still come back again and again
can't believe this came out almost six years ago! I remember watching it when it was uploaded!
"Coordinated push"
In pubs.
IN.PUBS.
NO.JUST NO.
Never heard of the "Pub Push"? It's when the game goes into overtime and everyone on blue realizes there's an objective, so they make a last-minute push. It often works.
VestedUTuber I’m using this as official terminology now.
You can get a pub team to cooperate. I usually am the single medic of the team, and since people need me to keep them in the fight I press the mic button and start calling the shots. The key to make them behave is to compliment their performance mid-opperation.
Just let competent players know that you have uber and watch your teammates coordinate on their own
Dane, PLEASE do a guide on the Gunslinger and its uses!
:)
Sen-bae noticed me!
YOU SPIN ME RIGHT AROUND BABY RIGHT AROUND, YOU SPIN ME..... okay i'll stop with zeno's memez
Ali hu Wut...
I mean, I saw that video, but...
soldiers in the shit house shooting rockets out the door, medics, heavys, scouts, and snipers laying on the floor. level three sentries firing down the tracks, destroying even the most well planed attacks
loved it
more pls
Uncle Dane
I want to say thanks. Thanks for the amount of time and effort you put into your videos. Please keep up the great work.
I watched the Intire video several times now I'm the master engi man on upward. Thank ya unkle dan
3:23 Wait wait wait... y'can actually build in that li'l hole there? Huh... the more y'know.
8:18 HA! Jokes on you, I wear a unpainted Texas Ten Gallon! Good luck finding a yellow helmet!
@peroh Ok
I don't even like playing as engineer but 90% of the time I am forced to play as one because the teams that I'm paired with neglect to have any sort of Defense so I have to watch your videos not saying they're bad or anything just I don't main engineer so I'm not particularly a good engineer luckily I'm not bad I'm just painfully average
If my team doesn't have one(and sometimes if they do) I'll go Medic, my personal fave. It's similar to Engineer in that the more passive role plays a much bigger part in the game. And seeing that hp rise and my teamates push ahead makes me feel good, similar to a sentry denying a push.
+Pope Potato I haven't played in awhile (no internet since May, kill me now), but I would always play half pocket by sticking close to the super pro Hale's Own stranges Heavy or Soldier(because they knew to fucking protect me and work together) while healing anyone nearby/in trouble. Otherwise, I just stick with the team. Also can Valve just fucking release an australium kritkrieg?! I've wanted that for over a year, and I have the perfect name! "Wunderwaffe DG3 JZ"
Yeah I usually Main Soldier Spy and medic so I know that feeling of being useful medic
Pope Potato may I recommend the quick fix sure it doesn't over heal as much but the play style that I use for medic is just to heal what's necessary and move on to the next person
Mewtastic also r.i.p internet
this video is great, not only because it's good advice for engies, but it's useful for pybros too.
I just watched Dane tell us where to put buildings in a video game and this taught me more than school.
Engineer: "It's over Pyro I have the high ground!"
Pyro: *Muffled noise* "You underestimate my power!"