*CORRECTIONS/ADDITIONS BELOW* Tip: try looking at the shoulders and overall character profile rather than zeroing in on the hands. I FORGOT TO EXPLAIN: we use Dragunov because his throws dont' have motion inputs. There's no "telegraph" like some other characters have; you have to see the hands. It also makes it easier to record the throws in the first place! Also, when I said "parries are unbreakable" around 13:20, I meant "getting thrown while parrying makes the throw unbreakable"
Aris used to do these throw break tutorials too. I like one part of his video in "TTT2 Throw Break Training and Theory" at 4:30 when he says "Also, what you should do when you're practicing throw break is, every time you practice them, make sure you practice them against a different character, because as you can see Armor Kings hands look different than Asukas hands, and Kazuyas hands may look different than Jack's hands so don't practice breaking your throws against ONE character that's a bad idea.". Watching out for animations against big characters is hard if you're only used to "normal" characters.
Just stopping by to tell you I got into Tekken 7 a few months ago to prepare for 8. I have no experience in 3D fighters but your content has been really enjoyable and easy to digest. Really appreciate what you're doing man, I hope you see this and it inspires you to make more.
Things to notice on each grab type: 1 break - The left hand RAISES 2 break - The body TURNS 1+2 break - His arms come STRAIGHT out. Therefore this is what intensely focused on and would even say out loud for each break: "Raise" , "Turn", or "Straight" So once I mastered doing the breaks in pairs of 2, then I started to practice all 3 together. I was ok... It really started to work when I mastered each pair on fast speed. Then I would work on all 3.
9:14 Hell, even in this very drill, one of the grabs is a side swap. So even the Drag training dummy itself can switch you to the other side and start grabbing you! Shows just how easy it is to end up in that situation.
I literally stood still during a match with king just to induce him to grab me because I wanted to practice breaking throws one time, I really was having a hard time with the matchup. Now I wouldn't recommend it, but a tip I can give is, go into a match with the intention to look out for throws and break them, even if you lose
This is a good tip actually, doing practice routines is one thing, but doing it VS an actual human is a whole different ballgame. It's always better to hone in on practicing one or two things at a time.
@@Cheltastiqueas a king main I'll give you some tips, the way how to know what throws coming from king is actually in the movement. If he's running into you, it's more than likely going to be a 2 break ..don't even look at the hands . If a king puts out 2 hands from neutral , it literally has to be a guess as that's what the character is designed around.. throws. In this case look for a pattern .. If you were giant swinged first time, assume giant swing second time.. tap 1 . If u see muscle buster tap both punch . A good king will mix up those 2 throws . Every tombstone or tiuanna twister though is reactable . For the wave dash in throws .. expect usually 2 punch break for all . Good king will try to mix it up but at first assume 2 punch for all since that's always going to lead to the most damaging startup . Know at minimum ur rolling death cradle break. U will always have to eat the second option if king does that instead .. but u have to prevent death cradle damage . Spam 2
I played Tekken 7 quite a bit and never learned throw breaks because they were just intimidating. Tekken 8 has finally motivated me to step up my game and this'll be a huge help. Obviously it's going to require actual in-game experience, along with parsing out each opponents' habits, but building some muscle memory will be huge. Thanks for the clear explanation!
A quick trick I did was get the regular grabs and the recorded grabs on 6 separate ones instead of 3 that way I can just select them by action frequency. Made it a little faster in the long run. Thank you again Phi you are killin it.
Tekken 8 Practice Mode needs (3) Load Save Presets so we can save particular Drill Settings and get this set up quicker. Also PHIDX, you're the new Tekken Wizard. You're gonna go far.
You are such a great teacher, in any game for never came across such great explanation upon each topic. Keep doing what you are doing , hard work pays off
Amazing video. I'm from Portland and starting to get into Tekken. Your channel was quickly recommended. Definitely will be going through the videos to become a better player and work with the rest of the PDX crew. Thanks for all you do, keep it up ^^
Making a deal at the beginning for the people that skip videos was great 😂. Fair deal imo. Watched the whole vid, and yes. I agree 100% everyone has a way to do things. Great video.
Your guides have been amazing, I love this. Could you make one about training mode in tekken? It's so different to me to navigate than most other fg training modes and it'd be super helpful to see a breakdown on how to use it effectively.
Great job on the video - been watching your content for the last few weeks. Love how you break down the game for us beginners - especially those of us who really want to get better at Tekken in the long run. It's easy to just dive in and go crazy cuz the game is new versus taking the time to really learn the nuances of the game. ;) I casually played 3 & 7 but I really wanted to get into the game and be a better player for Tekken 8 - will continue watching your stuff, keep up the awesome work!
Great guide! Just one thing, is there a particular point on Dragunov's arms or body that you look at to quickly suss out the difference between the 1+2 and the 2 grab? Even with lots of warmup, I feel like there is a stark difference to how the grab animation looks like when he completely whiffs a target compared to when he grabs onto you. This is the only combination I'm struggling with over a couple days now and only from 1p side really, it seems more clear from 2p. Any advice?
Try looking at the shoulders and overall profile of the character. Also, it may take more than a couple days! Short sessions with high frequency are best
@@PhiDX Shoulders definitely helped! For Dragunov it seems he leans his head differently for each grab too altho I don't think that's a common thing for most characters. I've been doing 5-10 minutes and to be honest it's already working wonders just for learning how to focus the vision. Keep up the great work man!
I like doing 1 break and 2 break together on both sides and almost mastering that first. Practice the 1+2 alone and then add together and the 1+2 will stick out from the others. 1 break and 2 break are pretty easy to master. While doing that say "left" or "right" in your head. This helps solidify it on both sides and forces you to stay locked in.
Problem is, most characters only have the generic throws and 1+2 break command throws. So if you go down that route, maybe practicing to distinguish generic vs command is the better way to go imho
@@LordViktorHun88Well if you just learn to break 1 break, 2 break, and 1+2 breaks then you will also be find vs generics. Like Phi said, pretend their is not such thing as generic (throws that can be broken with 1 or 2) and just learn proper command throw breaks.
left arm = left punch (1) break, right arm = right punch (2) break, both = both (1+2). As a beginner I'm wondering is this information in-game? would've been helpful 30 hours aga actually. It's such a fundamental and easy to learn information.
Do you need to set it up every time or is there a way of saving a setup for training mode? Or saving it so between ranked matches when you’re waiting in training you can do these drills without setting them up every time?
Started implementing this routine and when it is broken down as such I start to understand much better why I can't break throws. To start it I can't even register it as it is so fast to me right now. The problem is especially the 1+2 throw as it is hard to differentiate it fast enough even in the warmup session I was caught of guard more than I am willing to admit which is odd though as uf+1+2 is i12 and f+1+4 and f+2+3 are i11 yet they SEEMS easier to recognize. At first I started to evaulate is as the 1+2 throw is not 1 or 2 throw but that takes too much time thinking so I'll need to switch how I recognize it. Also a question, how do you deal with Kings mixups, how do you prevent yourself form doing a 1+2 throw break out of habbit/reflex.
I'm playing with a keyboard and can't figure out how to remap multiple buttons to a single input. Seems to either let me edit keyboard or a controller, but not one as the other.
Idk if Drag is the best character to practice against, i found myself reacting to the 1+2 punch windup animation instead of the initial arms moving, I swapped the dummy to Paul and was getting clapped by 1+2 grabs
Yea, I can't do this. The window to break is too small. Been at this for 20 mins trying to break 10/10 because I felt like I need to because while I can pass 8/10 at times I mix up my inputs. Been stuck on level 1 and max I can do in a row is 5, but I fuck up. I know its better to be correct, but after awhile I know the animations so even if I'm slow I just know what to press based off animation so I need to read the start fast and I just can't do this. Its a helpful video, but after 20mins on level 1 1st stage its gonna take all night...
I feel like you're explaining many things people give for granted when teaching beginners, I love that, I'm sending this to a friend that really wants to get into Tekken 8 so he knows why some things happen. We are looking forward to more guides from you man, keep it up.
Yea like it’s really frustrating as a beginner how people try and teach. Like they teach in terms and verbage that they thinks is commonly known and everyone will know not realizing they still aren’t explaining it right for beginners. It’s so frustrating
So glad a respected member of the community actually posted something about Tekken that's about how to train. We have so many videos and guides about how to perform actions and think about the game, but we have so little about how to train effectively and appropriately. My method was pretty similar to this and it's very important to do both sides. Every time I'd boot up Tekken, I wasn't allowed to get on Ranked unless I went into Practice Mode and broke 10 Throws in a row. I didn't do 8/10, I just wouldn't leave until 10 Throws were broken consecutively. And now my Throw Breaks are much better, and I can break even Steve's fast Wall Push Back Sway Throw and that thing is fast.
This is great content here - I just got into Tekken a few days ago (I have played Tekken 3 when I was 10 lol) and after finishing the Story i straight hoped into ranked and got obliberated every single fight. Watched a few of yours and TMM`s videos and took the time to actually train a bit. And now I'm already making progress and start to win fights and more importantly I'm starting to understand and see what my opponent does and sometimes be able to react to it. I rellay loved the well structured videos - thank you - keep it up
I watched one of your streams and I told you I lost my rank and save files on Tekken 7 and you said: "what you learned in those ranks is more important. You can come back to it even faster now". Thanks for being so supportive dude. This video was 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Losing your save file is not a problem. You realize how much you have improved while you climb though the low ranks super quickly. It’s a motivation boost really.
For anyone struggling a lot to break 8/10 in Level 1 like I have, I came up with a "Level 0.5" that I think goes well with these drills. It's just like Level 1 but instead of trying to break 8/10 throws, your goal is to just break 8 throws without making any wrong inputs. This means if you press the correct break but it was just too late, you don't reset your count. You only start over if you pressed the wrong break. This goal is a bit easier to achieve and it's been helping me drill in the whole "It's better to be late than wrong" thing. Then of course once this becomes easy you do the normal Level 1.
@barnacleman3233 Does it count if you guessed right after seeing the animation rather than reading the grab itself? (Example, when dragunov uses the 1 throw, he breaks your leg, now does my guess count if I already saw the leg break animation but didn't notice whether he used the left or right arm during the grab itself?)
@@kennethamielsantos8034 I would say no. You should only count "correct guesses" if you actually read the arm of the throw and actually pressed the correct button even if its pressed a bit late. Whats most important is to ensure you are not guessing when you press a button even if its a late press. With practice it will get quicker.
To add, so that you don't react based on the succesful throw animation, you can make character lay on the ground, activate the throws mixups, then grab an unplugged controller or whatever you could get your hands into, and try to break the throws.
I'm trying to do this right now and I'm trying to make it harder and do 10 in a row. I don't mash, but sometimes I mix up what to press and I realize my mistake. Yes I should just press even if I fail, but you start to really know the animation. Like the 1 break here is a side swap, but the 2 break is not. So I'm still stuck on level 1 after like 15mins cuz I have not done 10 in a row.
@Krugmatik Maybe just focus on the beginning where you back up and the cpu repeats grabs. Just have the cpu repeat the right grab or 1+2 grab and just watch the grab. Remember to get rest and not beat yourself too hard over it, as that doesn't help muscle memory or reaction time
Excellent approach. I'm a BIG fan of practice sessions and you hit the nail on the head. 1: correctness over speed 2: short sessions (brain learns after play) 3: do this often
you're better at this than TMM ever was, that guy is the biggest tekken content creator who based his whole career on tekken tutorials and he never showcased training drills and how to make good use of practice mode, this is a brilliant practice method on throws, very informative . this is really good stuff right here.
He is a salt lord and only has this success because hes one of the few who were actually doing it. Blasted Salami for example deserved that spotlight much, much more. But TMM has a bigger following.
I tried to watch his 8 minute T7 Heihachi guide in preperation for Reina and holy shit was it incomprehensible. It assumed so much prior knowledge, and he went so fucking fast. I mean I get it was an 8 minute guide but I thought it would be at least a little beginner friendly
I used this guide to learn how to break throws. Can definitely see an improvement in my throw breaking after just a week. Great guide, thanks for this!!!
struggled with this for a long time and even practiced it a lot in tekken 7. "better be slow than wrong" was the trick. i would just mash and often times guess wrong. so helpful. thank you for content like this, keep it up
As a beginner in Tekken i really appreciate this drill. As a dragunov player who's been cheesing wins with command throws I'm very frustrated with you haha
As someone who's played fighting games, but is new to tekken, this is great. I've almost forgotten what it's like to start from the beginning again, so I really appreciate this!
Learning stuff like this has always been a huge barrier to getting into Tekken in general. Thank you for these guides man will definitely be sharing them when getting people into the game
You are completely right about better to be slow than to be wrong. Even after training throw breaks and consistently breaking about eight in a row, my bad muscle memory from T7 during matches sometimes still comes through where I instinctively press 1 or 1+2. It's definitely going to take some time to unlearn that
Bro idk why but the seamless, reactionless "pause" at 12:57 had me dying, great vid as always. I never thought to visually memorize whiffed grabs, thats pretty clever.
I'm a certified pharmacy technician and u explain things like a medical practitioner fr. It's so in-depth but easy to follow bro. Keep it up, ur killing it Phi 🔥
So I have about 10 hours practicing throw breaks using the method you've described and it just doesn't compute in my head, the 2 break looks identical to the 1+2 break. So after 10 hours of practicing, I've come to the conclusion that the way throws function in Tekken is complete dog shit, trivial for top players, a gimmicky mess for the other 80% of people.
Booy. The 3 grabs total is hard as a motherfucker. But such a good drill! I reduced it to just 1-2 for now cause the 3 altogether are mind fucking me way too bad. I'll add the 1+2 in a day or something. Edit: Oh Jees. I set the whole thing up before we got to the part with df1 and timing back to normal. I just tried all 3 in shuffle and that had me in the blender. And one more thing I notice my brain automatically tries to go into 'read mode' try to turn off that anticipation and just watch. For example when he does multiple 1 breaks in a row, try to turn off the anticipation in your brain. So you don't 'expect' that he is/isn't going to do it again. We are not trying to predict. We are trying to react. : )
Yo, got one question. When you said to practice for like 5 to 10 mins do you mean all levels at the same time ?! I guess not, so I think you forget to mention that we have to do 5 to 10 mins one level and once we get the 8/10 throws we go on the next level and we don't come back to the previous the next time we train right ? Maybe it was so obvious, that you didn't feel like mention it but I still want to know to be sure x'). Anyways great vid and thanks for the help !
I think the hardest thing for me right now is differentiating the 1 break and 1+2 break. However, I’m also realizing that the more I fail, the more I’m starting to notice drag’s left hand come out further when a 1 throw comes out. It almost feels like he’s moving in slow motion
My problem is the hit property effects for the throw gets in the way of seeing what hands are being thrown. I know it's a matter of getting the repetitions in but it's annoying nonetheless. Turning down the graphics settings to the lowest for effects might've just helped me I think after experimenting for a bit.
Do you feel that this could be applied to when we lab moves or strings that give us trouble? Also ty for these, its really helpful and reminds me to start small and slow❤❤❤
PRAISE PHI! Seriously, thank you man. I'm consuming as much training material as I can from different people on my Tekken beginners journey and your stuff is incredibly easy to follow and use. ^-^b
I find it VERY difficult to distinguish between 2 and 1+2 break. Since the arm on a 2 break (depending how close you are to the opponent) basically disappears behind my character i came up with a different´point of identification, lets say. when its a 2 break, the opponent tucks his left arm DOWN to is ribs. So i took that information and went from there. When its a 1+2 break i can see the opponents head still, while when its a 1 break, i cannot (depends on positioning obv, but this was my starting point) Also i started with 2 variants instead of just 1 over and over, because i quickly started to react to the modelanimation doing a move instead of the actuall animation of the throw.
Holy shit. I have had such a tough time with distinguishing between 2 breaks and 1+2 breaks but that tip about the head and arm next to the ribs helped me out so much. Thanks for that!
man... i've been playing tekken 7 for 380 hours and tekken 8 for 30 and i cannot see the difference between the regular grabs and 1+2. the difference between 1 or 2 is pretty easy to see though, i just hate how sometimes one hand is entirely behind a character and you can't tell if that hidden hand moved or not.
When i go to practice mode and change to defense and then select the moves of oppenent and go back to practicing the dragunov doesn't do anything, plz help.
I have never been able to consistently throw break, the backgrounds are way too intrusive for me to be able to focus on someones hands like that during an actual match, i just make sure everything else i do is rock solid lmao
*CORRECTIONS/ADDITIONS BELOW*
Tip: try looking at the shoulders and overall character profile rather than zeroing in on the hands.
I FORGOT TO EXPLAIN: we use Dragunov because his throws dont' have motion inputs. There's no "telegraph" like some other characters have; you have to see the hands. It also makes it easier to record the throws in the first place!
Also, when I said "parries are unbreakable" around 13:20, I meant "getting thrown while parrying makes the throw unbreakable"
Aris used to do these throw break tutorials too. I like one part of his video in "TTT2 Throw Break Training and Theory" at 4:30 when he says "Also, what you should do when you're practicing throw break is, every time you practice them, make sure you practice them against a different character, because as you can see Armor Kings hands look different than Asukas hands, and Kazuyas hands may look different than Jack's hands so don't practice breaking your throws against ONE character that's a bad idea.". Watching out for animations against big characters is hard if you're only used to "normal" characters.
Everyone gonna counter my main now lol Xd
@@youngpast0228 King is still strong or do you mean dragu
Thankyou
Watched the whole video waiting for this explanation
Be honest now, everyone who's here because of King raise your hand. ✋
✋king and yoshi
King‘s good throws aren’t predictable
Law
Him plus everyone else bc some ppl can’t fight and just grab
king with the unli grabs😂
Just stopping by to tell you I got into Tekken 7 a few months ago to prepare for 8. I have no experience in 3D fighters but your content has been really enjoyable and easy to digest. Really appreciate what you're doing man, I hope you see this and it inspires you to make more.
Practice mode efficiency is such a valuable topic to make videos about. Thank you very much for your work.
I love the straight to the point format. I am really impressed by your work. Thank you.
Things to notice on each grab type:
1 break - The left hand RAISES
2 break - The body TURNS
1+2 break - His arms come STRAIGHT out.
Therefore this is what intensely focused on and would even say out loud for each break: "Raise" , "Turn", or "Straight"
So once I mastered doing the breaks in pairs of 2, then I started to practice all 3 together. I was ok...
It really started to work when I mastered each pair on fast speed. Then I would work on all 3.
insanely good guide. after about a week of light practice i've found my throw breaks have improved tremendously
9:14 Hell, even in this very drill, one of the grabs is a side swap. So even the Drag training dummy itself can switch you to the other side and start grabbing you! Shows just how easy it is to end up in that situation.
I literally stood still during a match with king just to induce him to grab me because I wanted to practice breaking throws one time, I really was having a hard time with the matchup. Now I wouldn't recommend it, but a tip I can give is, go into a match with the intention to look out for throws and break them, even if you lose
This is a good tip actually, doing practice routines is one thing, but doing it VS an actual human is a whole different ballgame. It's always better to hone in on practicing one or two things at a time.
The thing with King is that if he's using any throws that isn't the default 1+3 and 2+4, you literally cannot tell which break it is
@@Cheltastiqueas a king main I'll give you some tips, the way how to know what throws coming from king is actually in the movement. If he's running into you, it's more than likely going to be a 2 break ..don't even look at the hands . If a king puts out 2 hands from neutral , it literally has to be a guess as that's what the character is designed around.. throws. In this case look for a pattern .. If you were giant swinged first time, assume giant swing second time.. tap 1 .
If u see muscle buster tap both punch . A good king will mix up those 2 throws .
Every tombstone or tiuanna twister though is reactable .
For the wave dash in throws .. expect usually 2 punch break for all . Good king will try to mix it up but at first assume 2 punch for all since that's always going to lead to the most damaging startup .
Know at minimum ur rolling death cradle break. U will always have to eat the second option if king does that instead .. but u have to prevent death cradle damage . Spam 2
what about that one where king runs at you and knees your face? cannot ever escape that one@@Incinerate1212
@@hectorpereira3896 that's a 1+2 break
I played Tekken 7 quite a bit and never learned throw breaks because they were just intimidating. Tekken 8 has finally motivated me to step up my game and this'll be a huge help. Obviously it's going to require actual in-game experience, along with parsing out each opponents' habits, but building some muscle memory will be huge. Thanks for the clear explanation!
A quick trick I did was get the regular grabs and the recorded grabs on 6 separate ones instead of 3 that way I can just select them by action frequency. Made it a little faster in the long run. Thank you again Phi you are killin it.
Tekken 8 Practice Mode needs (3) Load Save Presets so we can save particular Drill Settings and get this set up quicker.
Also PHIDX, you're the new Tekken Wizard. You're gonna go far.
Exactly what I was thinking. I hope they will add it
That sounds like a great addition, would be great for consistency and would make the training less time consuming
You are such a great teacher, in any game for never came across such great explanation upon each topic. Keep doing what you are doing , hard work pays off
Amazing video. I'm from Portland and starting to get into Tekken. Your channel was quickly recommended. Definitely will be going through the videos to become a better player and work with the rest of the PDX crew.
Thanks for all you do, keep it up ^^
Making a deal at the beginning for the people that skip videos was great 😂. Fair deal imo. Watched the whole vid, and yes. I agree 100% everyone has a way to do things. Great video.
You're changing lives with this one bro!
40 hours in and I had no Idea this was a thing..
Your guides have been amazing, I love this. Could you make one about training mode in tekken? It's so different to me to navigate than most other fg training modes and it'd be super helpful to see a breakdown on how to use it effectively.
I can't tell the difference between the one and the one and two break, I'm fuckin cooked bro.
Love the written guide on the side and the levelled progression ❤❤
Great job on the video - been watching your content for the last few weeks. Love how you break down the game for us beginners - especially those of us who really want to get better at Tekken in the long run. It's easy to just dive in and go crazy cuz the game is new versus taking the time to really learn the nuances of the game. ;) I casually played 3 & 7 but I really wanted to get into the game and be a better player for Tekken 8 - will continue watching your stuff, keep up the awesome work!
Cool video, very nice setup and way to show a simple technique that everyone who wants to join is willful to find
Great job
As a king player, I don't know how to break throws....thank you phidx
Great drill and if you are newer its for sure hard at first but it helps thanks Phi!
Finally someone who actually understands the pace of teaching things. Thank you, this is exactly what I needed.
This is such valuable knowledge. Gem of a video
I'm loving the videos you are putting out for new Tekken players! Thanks so much! 😃
too late atm to apply it but i can already tell this will be incredibly helpful, thank you for such a thorough gameplan and drill!!
Out of everyone I looked up today you are the only one to actually help me understand grab breaks. A Subscrible for you good sir ☕️
always learnin somethin new, i love it.
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Went into practice and did this with kazuya, his left arm blocks both arms, they should add a colour above their heads to show what throw it is
Great guide! Just one thing, is there a particular point on Dragunov's arms or body that you look at to quickly suss out the difference between the 1+2 and the 2 grab? Even with lots of warmup, I feel like there is a stark difference to how the grab animation looks like when he completely whiffs a target compared to when he grabs onto you. This is the only combination I'm struggling with over a couple days now and only from 1p side really, it seems more clear from 2p. Any advice?
Try looking at the shoulders and overall profile of the character. Also, it may take more than a couple days! Short sessions with high frequency are best
@@PhiDX Shoulders definitely helped! For Dragunov it seems he leans his head differently for each grab too altho I don't think that's a common thing for most characters. I've been doing 5-10 minutes and to be honest it's already working wonders just for learning how to focus the vision. Keep up the great work man!
I like doing 1 break and 2 break together on both sides and almost mastering that first. Practice the 1+2 alone and then add together and the 1+2 will stick out from the others.
1 break and 2 break are pretty easy to master. While doing that say "left" or "right" in your head. This helps solidify it on both sides and forces you to stay locked in.
Problem is, most characters only have the generic throws and 1+2 break command throws. So if you go down that route, maybe practicing to distinguish generic vs command is the better way to go imho
@@LordViktorHun88Well if you just learn to break 1 break, 2 break, and 1+2 breaks then you will also be find vs generics. Like Phi said, pretend their is not such thing as generic (throws that can be broken with 1 or 2) and just learn proper command throw breaks.
Very nice guide, sir. Much appreciated!
Like a gym instructor, but for Tekken. Thank you for this excellent video.
Happy to help with the algorithm.
left arm = left punch (1) break, right arm = right punch (2) break, both = both (1+2). As a beginner I'm wondering is this information in-game? would've been helpful 30 hours aga actually. It's such a fundamental and easy to learn information.
one of the best Tekken Guide makers!
Your outro is insane.
Wish these setups could be saved in profiles in practice mode. Flicking all these toggles all the time is getting exhausting lol.
This was great man thank you 💪🏻
Yo "gripped up" is crazy ⏸️ lmao😅
I like how you teach man. I wouldn't be surprised if you said u were some type of college professor.
Excellent video, thanks.
Sometimes when I'm watching pro matches on RUclips and I see grab I have feeling like im pressing the input with my eyes 👀
Very helpful, and I didn't need it but this info is well broken down
someone referred me to this and I'm gong to start doing this
these vids are top tier 😤
Do you need to set it up every time or is there a way of saving a setup for training mode? Or saving it so between ranked matches when you’re waiting in training you can do these drills without setting them up every time?
Got my sub! Thanks for the info man
Great video!! Can't wait to learn to do this thanks 🤑🤑🤑
Love the vids phidx would love how to play vids for the characters as well
support comment, awesome stuff lately phi :D
Started implementing this routine and when it is broken down as such I start to understand much better why I can't break throws.
To start it I can't even register it as it is so fast to me right now. The problem is especially the 1+2 throw as it is hard to differentiate it fast enough even in the warmup session I was caught of guard more than I am willing to admit which is odd though as uf+1+2 is i12 and f+1+4 and f+2+3 are i11 yet they SEEMS easier to recognize.
At first I started to evaulate is as the 1+2 throw is not 1 or 2 throw but that takes too much time thinking so I'll need to switch how I recognize it.
Also a question, how do you deal with Kings mixups, how do you prevent yourself form doing a 1+2 throw break out of habbit/reflex.
Good video. I’m sending it to my son so he can practice 😊
I'm playing with a keyboard and can't figure out how to remap multiple buttons to a single input. Seems to either let me edit keyboard or a controller, but not one as the other.
Idk if Drag is the best character to practice against, i found myself reacting to the 1+2 punch windup animation instead of the initial arms moving, I swapped the dummy to Paul and was getting clapped by 1+2 grabs
I don't think the punch is reactable by that point, but throw breaking in that window is more than fine. We just want non telegraphed throws
Yea, I can't do this. The window to break is too small. Been at this for 20 mins trying to break 10/10 because I felt like I need to because while I can pass 8/10 at times I mix up my inputs. Been stuck on level 1 and max I can do in a row is 5, but I fuck up. I know its better to be correct, but after awhile I know the animations so even if I'm slow I just know what to press based off animation so I need to read the start fast and I just can't do this. Its a helpful video, but after 20mins on level 1 1st stage its gonna take all night...
It's 10-20 min a day for weeks, not just one session. Takes time
@@PhiDX oh shit. thanks for the reply phi. so just keep staying at level 1 until I can move to level 2?
Yeah, but also going for 10/10 is pretty extreme imo
Thank you for this video.
I feel like you're explaining many things people give for granted when teaching beginners, I love that, I'm sending this to a friend that really wants to get into Tekken 8 so he knows why some things happen. We are looking forward to more guides from you man, keep it up.
Liking/commenting as instructed lol. Thx for instructional.
Literally rank changing skills from this video
And always remember your low parry
Yea like it’s really frustrating as a beginner how people try and teach. Like they teach in terms and verbage that they thinks is commonly known and everyone will know not realizing they still aren’t explaining it right for beginners. It’s so frustrating
Same with my friend and I make sure to let him know how f’ing EASY he has it compared to past Tekkens lol
So glad a respected member of the community actually posted something about Tekken that's about how to train. We have so many videos and guides about how to perform actions and think about the game, but we have so little about how to train effectively and appropriately. My method was pretty similar to this and it's very important to do both sides. Every time I'd boot up Tekken, I wasn't allowed to get on Ranked unless I went into Practice Mode and broke 10 Throws in a row. I didn't do 8/10, I just wouldn't leave until 10 Throws were broken consecutively. And now my Throw Breaks are much better, and I can break even Steve's fast Wall Push Back Sway Throw and that thing is fast.
8:50 "Until you can.. F***!!"
I'm gonna have to repeat for eternity.
Asexuals in shambles
😂😂😂
I tried it and i cant react on 2 throws lol the timing is like half a second to react to it.... I just keep on guessing i guess
@@remon.d8341 you need to keep practicing with short session you need time and regularity to see improvement
@@remon.d8341 I feel that...telling the difference between 1 and 1+2 throws (on P1 side) is so harddd
This is great content here - I just got into Tekken a few days ago (I have played Tekken 3 when I was 10 lol) and after finishing the Story i straight hoped into ranked and got obliberated every single fight. Watched a few of yours and TMM`s videos and took the time to actually train a bit. And now I'm already making progress and start to win fights and more importantly I'm starting to understand and see what my opponent does and sometimes be able to react to it.
I rellay loved the well structured videos - thank you - keep it up
Thank you so much!
“You’re gonna repeat this until….. Fuck” that moment alone told me this is the best guide out there 🤣🤣
I watched one of your streams and I told you I lost my rank and save files on Tekken 7 and you said:
"what you learned in those ranks is more important. You can come back to it even faster now".
Thanks for being so supportive dude.
This video was 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Losing your save file is not a problem. You realize how much you have improved while you climb though the low ranks super quickly. It’s a motivation boost really.
@@sebbbi2 it happened on my livestreams multiple times.
The game crashed and im back to square one.
Im hoping Tekken 8 wont do it to me.
LoL
For anyone struggling a lot to break 8/10 in Level 1 like I have, I came up with a "Level 0.5" that I think goes well with these drills. It's just like Level 1 but instead of trying to break 8/10 throws, your goal is to just break 8 throws without making any wrong inputs. This means if you press the correct break but it was just too late, you don't reset your count. You only start over if you pressed the wrong break. This goal is a bit easier to achieve and it's been helping me drill in the whole "It's better to be late than wrong" thing. Then of course once this becomes easy you do the normal Level 1.
@barnacleman3233 Does it count if you guessed right after seeing the animation rather than reading the grab itself? (Example, when dragunov uses the 1 throw, he breaks your leg, now does my guess count if I already saw the leg break animation but didn't notice whether he used the left or right arm during the grab itself?)
@@kennethamielsantos8034
I would say no. You should only count "correct guesses" if you actually read the arm of the throw and actually pressed the correct button even if its pressed a bit late.
Whats most important is to ensure you are not guessing when you press a button even if its a late press. With practice it will get quicker.
To add, so that you don't react based on the succesful throw animation, you can make character lay on the ground, activate the throws mixups, then grab an unplugged controller or whatever you could get your hands into, and try to break the throws.
I'm trying to do this right now and I'm trying to make it harder and do 10 in a row. I don't mash, but sometimes I mix up what to press and I realize my mistake. Yes I should just press even if I fail, but you start to really know the animation. Like the 1 break here is a side swap, but the 2 break is not.
So I'm still stuck on level 1 after like 15mins cuz I have not done 10 in a row.
I tried this so often for years. I will try out your specific routine and try to finally activate my sharingan for the last time.
Dude, I've needed this video for years.... That warmup/drill is such a good idea! Thank you!
@Krugmatik Maybe just focus on the beginning where you back up and the cpu repeats grabs. Just have the cpu repeat the right grab or 1+2 grab and just watch the grab. Remember to get rest and not beat yourself too hard over it, as that doesn't help muscle memory or reaction time
Excellent approach. I'm a BIG fan of practice sessions and you hit the nail on the head.
1: correctness over speed
2: short sessions (brain learns after play)
3: do this often
you're better at this than TMM ever was, that guy is the biggest tekken content creator who based his whole career on tekken tutorials and he never showcased training drills and how to make good use of practice mode, this is a brilliant practice method on throws, very informative . this is really good stuff right here.
I prefer saltmanSWE's Channel
He is a salt lord and only has this success because hes one of the few who were actually doing it. Blasted Salami for example deserved that spotlight much, much more. But TMM has a bigger following.
moveeee along no1 gives a shit about your irrelevant opinion.
I tried to watch his 8 minute T7 Heihachi guide in preperation for Reina and holy shit was it incomprehensible. It assumed so much prior knowledge, and he went so fucking fast. I mean I get it was an 8 minute guide but I thought it would be at least a little beginner friendly
I agree
I used this guide to learn how to break throws. Can definitely see an improvement in my throw breaking after just a week. Great guide, thanks for this!!!
"We will do this until you ca- FUUUU-"
Honestly. Relatable LOL
struggled with this for a long time and even practiced it a lot in tekken 7. "better be slow than wrong" was the trick. i would just mash and often times guess wrong. so helpful. thank you for content like this, keep it up
As a beginner in Tekken i really appreciate this drill.
As a dragunov player who's been cheesing wins with command throws I'm very frustrated with you haha
As someone who's played fighting games, but is new to tekken, this is great. I've almost forgotten what it's like to start from the beginning again, so I really appreciate this!
Learning stuff like this has always been a huge barrier to getting into Tekken in general. Thank you for these guides man will definitely be sharing them when getting people into the game
You are completely right about better to be slow than to be wrong. Even after training throw breaks and consistently breaking about eight in a row, my bad muscle memory from T7 during matches sometimes still comes through where I instinctively press 1 or 1+2. It's definitely going to take some time to unlearn that
Yeah speed will come eventually, but if you learn the bad habits it takes a long time to unlearn them
Best content as usual, I have been falling for grabs for very long time, now it makes sense how pros stops them, thank you so much!
Let me know if it works!
12:56 that PAUSE was godlike XD
I'm glad I'm not the only one that can appreciate that.
These recent videos have been very helpful. Thank you!
Bro idk why but the seamless, reactionless "pause" at 12:57 had me dying, great vid as always. I never thought to visually memorize whiffed grabs, thats pretty clever.
I'm a certified pharmacy technician and u explain things like a medical practitioner fr. It's so in-depth but easy to follow bro. Keep it up, ur killing it Phi 🔥
So I have about 10 hours practicing throw breaks using the method you've described and it just doesn't compute in my head, the 2 break looks identical to the 1+2 break. So after 10 hours of practicing, I've come to the conclusion that the way throws function in Tekken is complete dog shit, trivial for top players, a gimmicky mess for the other 80% of people.
Booy. The 3 grabs total is hard as a motherfucker. But such a good drill! I reduced it to just 1-2 for now cause the 3 altogether are mind fucking me way too bad. I'll add the 1+2 in a day or something.
Edit: Oh Jees. I set the whole thing up before we got to the part with df1 and timing back to normal. I just tried all 3 in shuffle and that had me in the blender.
And one more thing I notice my brain automatically tries to go into 'read mode' try to turn off that anticipation and just watch. For example when he does multiple 1 breaks in a row, try to turn off the anticipation in your brain. So you don't 'expect' that he is/isn't going to do it again. We are not trying to predict. We are trying to react. : )
Yo, got one question. When you said to practice for like 5 to 10 mins do you mean all levels at the same time ?! I guess not, so I think you forget to mention that we have to do 5 to 10 mins one level and once we get the 8/10 throws we go on the next level and we don't come back to the previous the next time we train right ?
Maybe it was so obvious, that you didn't feel like mention it but I still want to know to be sure x'). Anyways great vid and thanks for the help !
I think the hardest thing for me right now is differentiating the 1 break and 1+2 break. However, I’m also realizing that the more I fail, the more I’m starting to notice drag’s left hand come out further when a 1 throw comes out. It almost feels like he’s moving in slow motion
Your brain is speeding up!
My problem is the hit property effects for the throw gets in the way of seeing what hands are being thrown. I know it's a matter of getting the repetitions in but it's annoying nonetheless. Turning down the graphics settings to the lowest for effects might've just helped me I think after experimenting for a bit.
Do you feel that this could be applied to when we lab moves or strings that give us trouble? Also ty for these, its really helpful and reminds me to start small and slow❤❤❤
PRAISE PHI!
Seriously, thank you man.
I'm consuming as much training material as I can from different people on my Tekken beginners journey and your stuff is incredibly easy to follow and use. ^-^b
I find it VERY difficult to distinguish between 2 and 1+2 break. Since the arm on a 2 break (depending how close you are to the opponent) basically disappears behind my character i came up with a different´point of identification, lets say.
when its a 2 break, the opponent tucks his left arm DOWN to is ribs. So i took that information and went from there. When its a 1+2 break i can see the opponents head still, while when its a 1 break, i cannot (depends on positioning obv, but this was my starting point)
Also i started with 2 variants instead of just 1 over and over, because i quickly started to react to the modelanimation doing a move instead of the actuall animation of the throw.
Holy shit. I have had such a tough time with distinguishing between 2 breaks and 1+2 breaks but that tip about the head and arm next to the ribs helped me out so much. Thanks for that!
man... i've been playing tekken 7 for 380 hours and tekken 8 for 30 and i cannot see the difference between the regular grabs and 1+2. the difference between 1 or 2 is pretty easy to see though, i just hate how sometimes one hand is entirely behind a character and you can't tell if that hidden hand moved or not.
Try looking at the whole character model not just the hands
My biggest weakness in Tekken. I'm a Raijin and throws are killing me 😂
This is so brutal.
Can't even grab consistently in lab.
In a real fight it's actually unbeatable.
So many games lost when they started grabbing. :[
it's all part of the learning process
lmfaaaoooo his 1+2 and 1 look identical when he graps u this is bullshit ahahahahah
LMAO you showed me the warm-ups and immediately got a like and follow. Appreciate this.
lol there is no way y’all really recognizing and reacting to these grabs that all damn near loom idenctical within like 1.5 seconds😭
i’m so cooked
When i go to practice mode and change to defense and then select the moves of oppenent and go back to practicing the dragunov doesn't do anything, plz help.
Same thing happening with me how to solve this problem 😢😂
finally watching this video, can't escape from this
i like how you put it, therefore I comment, a fair exchange indeed
Thanks for the video, I'll be doing this all weekend now lol!!!
More high quality content, keep it coming!!!!
I have never been able to consistently throw break, the backgrounds are way too intrusive for me to be able to focus on someones hands like that during an actual match, i just make sure everything else i do is rock solid lmao