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@Maki i have a single battle pass bought account and completely free account . And my free account has more 5* characters and better artifacts compared to my single bp one
My main problem is the dogs, they sometimes just decide that you aren’t allowed to attack them, jump back 50 yards and don’t let you chase them because of an invisible hitbox
Yeah for melee character they suck, not as much as specters but thats a whole different level of annoying. Really wish i had a good range DPS character built.
The Maguu Kenki's without Zhongli shield is scary, they can one shot me while I'm tryna dish damage and my heals can't help and I have no Zhongli. So that's the hardest part for me
Xingqui skill and Beidou burst both have dmg resistance. pair them up with a healer for great sustainability. great support dps too. no need for zongli
Diona is insane for that floor, she'll help with shield, heals nd the most annoying kenki is the cryo one, so her shield doesnt take dmg frm that at all cz of 250% absorption
The previous abyss is in concept harder, because the enemies dodge a lot. However, the enemies in this abyss are a million times more tanky and the wolfhounds can run away if you are unable to stagger them
i've heard somebody else say this and i have to agree. This abyss feels easier IF you managed to complete the last abyss because the damage ceiling is the same but it's easier to do that damage because the enemies group more. Also the wolf corrosion isn't that bad because you can dodge + it doesn't stack like old floor 11, it just refreshes cooldown thanks for the likes guys! im going to leave my spiral abyss teams/tips here in case anybody maybe has the right characters built but doesn't know it :D this is just in case anybody is curious but my full comps for this abyss were t1: eula-beidou-jean-diona 4vv jean with freedom sworn to buff my beidou, with a diona for the shield/cryo resonance razor also works good here, maybe even better than eula because you can slot somebody else other than beidou here but i just used these two because they're way better invested in. t2: noelle-geo mc-xingqiu-sucrose sucrose was used mostly for vv and ttds to buff xingqiu and for some occasional cc also PLEASE guys either run Viridescent or electro/geo. These guys have a lot of elemental and phys res and they're going to slaughter you. They don't have that much hp, they just have a lot of resistances!!! Also for the 3 maguu kenki, you can manipulate the rng by running to the far left of the chamber then running at them, making them all group together and stay grouped!!!
@@jacobpelegrin3314 well i mean yeah same but that's mostly because rifthounds have 20% elemental & phys res. you have to hit them with the same element(electro or geo) to decrease their res. Only downside is they start attacking more. But it's honestly not even the damage, it's mostly how they constantly jump around the map, sometimes even off the map
I would agree with that as well. I found this version easier than the last one because the enemies group up FAR easier. I had a decent freeze team that was able to power through floor 12 in a couple attempts. Overall, I thought it was fun. It finally made me change my standard abyss team up.
The new spiral abyss is definitely a challenge for me to the point where I can't complete it. It's good that we get some hard content but it is really only for the whales and others who spend money. As a f2p player it is really hard to get 3 *s on everything.
F2ps who optimize their accounts and min max can absolutely 36 star it. It rewards people for making their accounts good. The abyss shouldnt be a hand me out like it has been. It should reward players for making the accounts they have grinded for good
F2P here, national raiden is still op for 1st phase. 2nd phase u can put freeze team If u are f2p n only pull for waifus or husbandos then forgot about abyss. Nowadays abyss is pure meta char no room for fun build for f2p players
Yeah but rather than changing existing content, they should create new content to suit whales. If the abyss keeps getting harder, newer players will never even reach floor 12
The rifthounds are really annoying but I still think it's the spectres that need a nerf as they're just silly balloons that have no right to be immune to CC while simultaneously be as tanky as Whopperflowers and Geovishaps. I hate their existence more than Hydro Abyss Mages.
Don’t know who decided on these spectres. They don’t look very tanky but their hp pool is just like a geovishap. Not to mention, since they’re always flying It’s very hard to kill them with Hu Tao
Any anemo unit like kazuha, venti or even sucrose can help a huge deal when going against them. Then just get some elemental reactions going to get good multipliers. I'm a F2P who started in July btw.
i've never used twitch before but now ive installed it just to watch your streams and haven't missed a single stream. absolutely loving the new account. keep it up dude.
Floor 12 is fine you can 3-7 star it easily but it gets increasingly difficult and boring if all they do is add tankier enemies. Add more mechanics that actually encourages people to think outside the box. Imo that would be a more fun and engaging end game.
Yeah, even tho the last Spiral Abyss was annoying and have many RNG, but it is more fun to me than current Spiral Abyss, because in the last Spiral Abyss we have to positioning ourselves at the right time so we can group the enemies
I don't have issue with Abyss getting harder, the issue I have with it is the reward doesn't get improved. Like many have mentioned, it should have been Floor 13 with additional rewards, instead of the same amount of Primogem. Image you are being put in a position that you are expected to work harder and longer hours at work while the paid remain the same as before...
Surprisingly 12-2 was the easiest. The wolves move too much so I end up using so much time chasing. U can trap the maguu kenkis with Geo travelers ult.
I just love when I see high ranked player still using Diluc in latest abyss especially clear it all. Proof that my boi still doing great even after all these times
Not having any anemo and/or geo characters makes this floor 12 incredibly hard, to the point where I cannot beat it. High resistances and hp pools mean that I simply cannot deal enough damage in time. Also if I go in too recklessly in an effort to try to deal as much damage as possible, then I risk dying due to corrosion. A single missed dodge can be a death sentence. Having Hu Tao as my main DPS is also an issue for this reason. Overall it's just not fun and I do hope they make it easier or maybe just take away the primo rewards from floor 12 and merge them into floors 9-11 and keep floor 12 as a challenge floor for those that have the characters required to beat it. Right now I feel disappointed having spent so much time and money into this game and not being able to get those primos because they just made it too challenging.
I don’t even think people understand that spiral abyss is supposed to (at least from my POV) be a test. You’re testing your characters AFTER you’ve invested and leveled them. It’s not something you can should expect to be easy at AR 40…I don’t think I 36 starred for the first time until I was AR 50+. And even now it’s more about strategizing than it is just having the newest or most meta dps (though Eula makes the “hardest” floor look like training).
True it is a test. I don't get it why people complain not being able to 36 stars it. It just means you still need to do something about your team or invest in them more. They expect free primogems despite having unbuilt characters. LOL. I also didn't managed to 36 stars my very first abyss since I didn't had any other good dps besides Raiden when I started. After getting Ningguang to 90 and also some other character I managed to beat it on the next cycle.
Personally, I'd rather they put out a Floor 13 so people can talk about 45*s instead of shoving the dps ceiling requirement higher and higher for floor 12
This abyss was not easier. The enemies were tanky, the corrosion and evading mechanics of the hounds were really annoying. Ofc with Bennett, zhongli,kazuha,venti,ganyu.. everything seems easy.
In general easier, i say it with a decent f2p account, the 3 kenkis are easy however this abyss has it's hard parts for the incorrect reasons, yes the dogs have weird hitboxes and you have to go after them, making you lose time, if the hounds were changed for challenging yet balanced enemies mor epeople would 36 star it
@@lilygirllisa you just have to plan ahead of time, i started farming for eula 3 months before her re run was even a thing, and now i have a godly eula thx to that.
The Kinky's are kinda brutal, but having no phase-shift downtime helps. Curiously, that's the only chamber of current last floor that I 3-star so far; it's also good because Geovishaps jump INTO you, no Rifthound i-framing and dodging bullshit
@@capperbuns I personally found the magu kenkis the easiest floor to deal with because they stand mostly still. They deal a lot of damage but i just stood in bennetts burst and could tank everything
@@capperbuns they can, and do, get quite split up, depending on your positioning. Mine was bad in the early runs so I got to see it, and often got wind bladed to shreds by Lone Gale
it all comes down to your units tbh. I have 2 accounts and my 2nd account with Eula and Xiao teams who made previous abyss really easy is now barely touching floor 12. Meanwhile my main account with Hu Tao and Ganyu ran through it in 2 tries.
I wasnt planning on pulling for eula but at the end i did, it was an impuls;-; but do you think i will regret taking her instead like xiao or ganyu? They are not difficult to use just spam plunge or charged, but ive seen that eula needs specific attack rotation and your dmg depends on it. Is she difficult to use?
@@hubabuba9448 I wouldn't say difficult to use, more that you will have to have more presence of mind while doing her rotations than say a Ganyu. You'll need to E and manage E stacks while doing the rest of your party rotation to funnel energy into Eula for her burst and while her burst is active you will have to focus on landing as many hits. That being said I find it extremely difficult to clear the current abyss with Eula because the rifthounds move around too much and literally i-frame my ult lmao
@@reimidii7344 They are considered both really good dps, Eula is considered better for speedrunning tho, especially if u have her cons, I just recommend u chosing whoever u have better character to create a team comp, if u have Sucrose built, then go Xiao, if u have a Diona or/and Raiden built, go Eula, etc...
My issue with this spiral abyss is that the rift hounds have moves with invisible walls where you can hit them and their crazy movement plus the huge health pool they have makes them a huge problem even though I have the damage to kill them
It did get harder. I always get 33 stars on the abyss so i always get to finish it but this time it really was a challenge and very stressful but i still got 33 stars though some of the chamber were so close like just 1 second left 😭😭
Ngl thought it’d be impossible after seeing the triple Kenki (coming from a guy whos 36 starred since original 1.0-1.1 abyss) however, wasn’t so bad, if anything the dogs was more annoying but nothing you wouldn’t be able to manage...i must be scarred from the triple Kenki from the event with the negative modifiers lol
Imo I think this version of the Abyss was alright, if it wasn't mostly for the stupid big wolf enemies, so I end up getting 31 stars again but I'm fine with it.
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"I think this spiral abyss is easier than the last one" Well I disagree because I went from 34 stars in the previous one to 30 stars in this one. I haven't been this far from 36 stars since like June and my account is more powerful than ever having built up Childe and Hu Tao added to my team.
Its easier for you because you have like high refine of ganyu’s bow and ganyu,you also have zhongli,kazuha and diluc with wgs. Like srsly that’s already a whale level even if you’re f2p.
My issue with Spiral Abyss is I have no desire to bother 36 Star'ing it, My account could easily do it but i have never done it as i always just "one and done" it at 34-35 stars simply because i think basing "difficulty" on DPS checks and time limits is boring at worst and lazy at best. Adding health bars the size of tombstones to enemies and asking you to whittle it down quicker isn't a difficulty modifier, it never has been and has always been looked at as the laziest way of creating an artificial challenge
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i feel like thats the case because theres less rng bs, but i feel like you need specific characters for this abyss so it could be easier for some than others
17:06 In short if you’re a veteran player (w/ min maxed chars) or a whale, this will be SO EASY… . . . . BUT IF YOU’RE NEW, IT’S HELL (I started 5 months ago, I only got 35*) (EDIT: finally got 36* 😭 just had better buff cards)
@@muhammadrifaie9577 the ruin robots are so time consuming, it was impossible for me to 9 star floor 12. But now, they are grouped up. I used chamber 2 for healing though, to 3 star chamber 3
Yeahi felt that this abyss was easier as well. So did my friends that also 36 star on the regular. I'm thinking for those that needed perfect rng to squeeze through the last abyss are probably struggling here. Not sure but that's how I feel things have gone down.
Feel like this is a hot take, but I think the spiral abyss was perfect this time around, at least for me. I got 35 stars (Screw 12-3) and I'm pretty happy with that. I can see how f2ps find it too hard tho (I'm a light spender)
the only problem for me personally is that the wolves have lots of hp AND move around a lot. besides that its honestly fine i got 33 stars but i could probably get 35 if i kept trying and using optimal comps for each chamber rather than just one run through
Nah, it's far from perfect for me (Also 35 star and struggling on 12-3). The more patch we have the tankier the enemies get, while the reward always stays the same. I kinda hate them for it, not to mention the corrosion (I personally find this feature counterintuitive with fun) and small hit-box enemy (wolf) are really a pain in the ass for this abyss.
@@pandie_6 That's fair. My two teams are Xiao geo and Raiden, Childe, Kazuha, and Benny, so solid teams, and the elemental shred you get with the wolves makes them much easier to deal with. I do wish they moved around less tho 😂
@@HRavenfolks I actually enjoy unique mechanics like corrosion because it changes the meta. Zhongli shield bot is no longer a solve all solution, I now have to run a healer with him to sustain the dmg. Healer meta is kinda cool imo, I wanna see unique characters be featured by mechanics
you do make a fair point with what would be needed as instead of single target focus having yourself a massive amount of AOE clearing would make these floors pretty easy, sadly i ain't got that myself but will attempt it anyways with my best units. keep up the great work Mtash.
Use sucrose, qiqi (with new set), beidou and fischl together in 1st team for floor 12. 5 things which helps this team 1. Physical buff in current spiral 2.qiqi ult and beidou together will give massive heal so the damage from the new set will be very high. 3. Attacking Puppy and dog with same element will give more damage when rage is up (in this case electro). 4. VV set and superconduct for more shrewd. 5. Sucrose with TTD will snapshot beidou's damage. Source-jinx and tunner stream
Mtashed hitting 40-50k DMG for literally no reason is like 27.41% of the reason I wanna just stop playing Genshin. No way in hell I can catch up to that
The only part I had trouble with was 12-3 first half. I didn't know that the wolves have really high resistance to everything and enrage makes them drop 65% to electro. That's better than viridecent. I know you love diluc and he still gets you through everything but you have to use Hu toa and you will see that he is power crept. My decent build with shimenawa set hits 60-70k with just zhongli shield and xingqui. And even with shimenawa I can see her burst over 200k. Her charge attacks hit multiple enemies more than not really. I was running ganyu xiangling Bennet and diona and couldn't get it done so I tried running sucrose in place of diona and it made a big difference. I think tazer comps are the easiest way to do first half of 12. And I will gladly take a higher health pool over the previous versions. It was more a matter of retry until the stupid enemies don't separate completely. At least this way you can make changes to improve your characters to get it done. The ai rng was a nightmare
This domain is easier than the last one imo(floor 12) in the last one I died constantly I actually built my c3 qiqi because of that. In this domain all that's really an issue for me are the geo rift hounds, since i don't have a geo char to deal with their tankyness. 😅
Abyss is very character dependent ig. I could see Ganyu Cruising against multiple rifthounds. Meanwhile whenever I use Raiden they're just pushed back and they move a lot. So basically melee character without range moves are nerfed for this abyss.
I think with the kinky mangos, the single one we were facing before was basically all 3 of the current ones combined. The moveset of the megazord kinky mango basically got split up into the three we see. The mask one only does mask based attacks (the push or slow targeted nuke). the anemo one seems to mostly do ranged wind slashes. the cryo one is the one that kept all the annoying moves (the charged blast and slash, and the forward dashing slash). Actually, I'm not even sure if any of them can do a backdash anymore.
It’s been about 4 spiral abyss rotations since I couldn’t at least 34 star abyss. These pups are pretty tough, making me wanna raise Qiqi… Magu Kenki n friends from floor 12-2 are probably easier for me
The retry on the rifthounds you triggered their berserk mode which makes the large one get 60 percent more damage taken. Geo damage on geo rift-hounds. Even while petrified doing 3 hits of geo damage (your zhong li pillar) triggered the berserk mode and you started doing a lot more extra damage. That’s why you didn’t notice how much more tanky they are (they just have a lot of hp). Bringing an electro unit and a geo unit to trigger the berserk mode can essentially negate the tankiness provided you have the dps (obviously mashed has it).
i used the same teams on all floors and got all the stars on my 1st try, i did swap team 1 and 2 depending on the floor. On floor 12 it was: Team #1 - Eula, Raiden Shogun, Kujou Sara and Bennett Team #2 - HuTao, ZhongLi, Albedo and Xingqiu.
I agree, this abyss is 100% easier. This abyss is alot more friendly towards aoe focused units because there are only 3 opponents at most on floor 12 and all of them are programmed to aggro towards you (with ruin cruiser as an exception but its still easy to deal with it, just go towards it and the ruin defender will just come to you). The last rotation alot of the enemy are not always aggro towards you. The snakes have 2 kind of attack that doesnt teleport to you, not to mention there are 2 of them. Also 2 cruisers is just cancer to deal with especially on 12-3-2 where they spawn far apart already. Overall what makes this abyss harder is just the hp pool that are getting bigger, but i prefer large hp pool that I can group and hit them together than trying to run around hitting them one by one
I've been playing since 1.0 and haven been able to get 9 stars in floor 12 since the last abyss. But I couldn't get max stars in floor 11 because of the elemental cubes, so I still couldn't get the 36 stars achievement. The abyss is pain.
6:41 well it took like maximum 15 seconds for my f2p childe to do that and he just has a mid build, imo I’d still say diluc got powercrept. Any character can do that floor in that amount of time with high investment.
I completely agree this was my first 36 star in a while and i kept seeing videos about people saying it was so hard but im over here like "this was easy"
I struggled way more with this abyss, and crushed the previous one like it was nothing. I need to stop being so stingy with who I bring each rotaion, instead of sticking to my 8 best units, I need to mix it up, because hu tao and raiden were just not working out with those hounds
The enemies I have trouble with is the rifthounds and spectors they just won't keep still especially the rifthounds teleporting everywhere it's annoying
I agree about this being easier. I failed last 3 rotations but I got most floors first try with Diluc+kaeya team 1 and Noelle+albedo team 2. Geo is really strong here.
9:49 is ganyu still able to melt all her bloom arrows even with her Q and Diona's Q raining cryo on enemies? I also see mtashed always using Ganyu's Q with Xiangling pyronado and them bloom arrows. Is that better DPS?
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My main problem is the dogs, they sometimes just decide that you aren’t allowed to attack them, jump back 50 yards and don’t let you chase them because of an invisible hitbox
Use a projectile based main dps like Mona or Yoimiya to hit them from a distance
Yes its so annoyingggggg
Try using your catalyst rotation or bow or anything that has homing effect rhey can hit it when he goes back swap to your dps again
Yeah for melee character they suck, not as much as specters but thats a whole different level of annoying. Really wish i had a good range DPS character built.
Yanfei + Beidou + Xingqiu + Raiden/Fischl = Aim free ranged attack,
not need to chase no need to aim
The Maguu Kenki's without Zhongli shield is scary, they can one shot me while I'm tryna dish damage and my heals can't help and I have no Zhongli. So that's the hardest part for me
I use raiden/national team i just use burst to avoid there attacks
I have albedo, Zhongli, geo traveller c6 and Noelle c6 maguu kenki was more of a, cryo slows you down pain
Diona is a good alternative. The cryo absorption from her shield can easily block the frost field/frost dive
Xingqui skill and Beidou burst both have dmg resistance. pair them up with a healer for great sustainability. great support dps too. no need for zongli
Diona is insane for that floor, she'll help with shield, heals nd the most annoying kenki is the cryo one, so her shield doesnt take dmg frm that at all cz of 250% absorption
The previous abyss is in concept harder, because the enemies dodge a lot. However, the enemies in this abyss are a million times more tanky and the wolfhounds can run away if you are unable to stagger them
i've heard somebody else say this and i have to agree. This abyss feels easier IF you managed to complete the last abyss because the damage ceiling is the same but it's easier to do that damage because the enemies group more. Also the wolf corrosion isn't that bad because you can dodge + it doesn't stack like old floor 11, it just refreshes cooldown
thanks for the likes guys! im going to leave my spiral abyss teams/tips here in case anybody maybe has the right characters built but doesn't know it :D
this is just in case anybody is curious but my full comps for this abyss were
t1: eula-beidou-jean-diona
4vv jean with freedom sworn to buff my beidou, with a diona for the shield/cryo resonance
razor also works good here, maybe even better than eula because you can slot somebody else other than beidou here but i just used these two because they're way better invested in.
t2: noelle-geo mc-xingqiu-sucrose
sucrose was used mostly for vv and ttds to buff xingqiu and for some occasional cc
also PLEASE guys either run Viridescent or electro/geo. These guys have a lot of elemental and phys res and they're going to slaughter you. They don't have that much hp, they just have a lot of resistances!!!
Also for the 3 maguu kenki, you can manipulate the rng by running to the far left of the chamber then running at them, making them all group together and stay grouped!!!
What is damage ceiling?
@@canley the amount of damage you can/have to do. Basically how much total hp the floor has
The only difficulty flor is 12-3, 36 stared last abyss but just fall short this one
@@jacobpelegrin3314 well i mean yeah same but that's mostly because rifthounds have 20% elemental & phys res. you have to hit them with the same element(electro or geo) to decrease their res. Only downside is they start attacking more. But it's honestly not even the damage, it's mostly how they constantly jump around the map, sometimes even off the map
I would agree with that as well. I found this version easier than the last one because the enemies group up FAR easier. I had a decent freeze team that was able to power through floor 12 in a couple attempts. Overall, I thought it was fun. It finally made me change my standard abyss team up.
The new spiral abyss is definitely a challenge for me to the point where I can't complete it. It's good that we get some hard content but it is really only for the whales and others who spend money. As a f2p player it is really hard to get 3 *s on everything.
F2ps who optimize their accounts and min max can absolutely 36 star it. It rewards people for making their accounts good. The abyss shouldnt be a hand me out like it has been. It should reward players for making the accounts they have grinded for good
nah it's doable as f2p
F2P here, national raiden is still op for 1st phase.
2nd phase u can put freeze team
If u are f2p n only pull for waifus or husbandos then forgot about abyss. Nowadays abyss is pure meta char no room for fun build for f2p players
Yeah but rather than changing existing content, they should create new content to suit whales. If the abyss keeps getting harder, newer players will never even reach floor 12
@@rushil4195 thats what big content player didnt want to accept the challange, complete 36 star spiral abyss within 2 months with new f2p account.
The rifthounds are really annoying but I still think it's the spectres that need a nerf as they're just silly balloons that have no right to be immune to CC while simultaneously be as tanky as Whopperflowers and Geovishaps. I hate their existence more than Hydro Abyss Mages.
Ikr they literally flying but uneffected by giant black hole of breeze
Don’t know who decided on these spectres. They don’t look very tanky but their hp pool is just like a geovishap. Not to mention, since they’re always flying It’s very hard to kill them with Hu Tao
at this point i just think they are physically anchored to the imaginary tree itself, and not actually floating
Any anemo unit like kazuha, venti or even sucrose can help a huge deal when going against them. Then just get some elemental reactions going to get good multipliers. I'm a F2P who started in July btw.
@@avishkesenanayake85 yea until you fight the anemo one, and they are immune to cc
Me, who doesn’t even play in the Abyss: “I have no such weaknesses.”
Very true
only do 9 and 10 nowadays
Isn't the fact that you don't do abyss already a weakness?
i only did 9 and 10. i have to grind artis first before going to 11-12
Imagine you are on 79 pity and you need just 1 wish before the banner ends but SIKE you don't do the abyss HAH
when you are a childe main so more magu kenki's literally makes it easier
Childe is super strong this abyss. His vaporize team with Xiangling is way better than other alternative for the second half of floor 12.
Yes i agree, i thought that those 3 maggot kinky are the hardest, turns out childe+xiangling+kazuha breeze thru that floor before I even realize it
F2p god : trying for 4 star
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7:14 "don't get hit" - that's exactly what I always say to my friend about those Rift Hound.
I've been watching your streams more often recently but I just wanted to drop in and leave a like :)
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Floor 12 is fine you can 3-7 star it easily but it gets increasingly difficult and boring if all they do is add tankier enemies. Add more mechanics that actually encourages people to think outside the box. Imo that would be a more fun and engaging end game.
Yeah and on top of that give us more resin so we can actually have a more diverse character pool on our accounts.
Yeah, even tho the last Spiral Abyss was annoying and have many RNG, but it is more fun to me than current Spiral Abyss, because in the last Spiral Abyss we have to positioning ourselves at the right time so we can group the enemies
This
I noticed recently that some enemies have different attack patterns and new movesets in the abyss.
Hope to see more of that
I don't have issue with Abyss getting harder, the issue I have with it is the reward doesn't get improved.
Like many have mentioned, it should have been Floor 13 with additional rewards, instead of the same amount of Primogem.
Image you are being put in a position that you are expected to work harder and longer hours at work while the paid remain the same as before...
That Maguu Kenki floor was easier than expected. Especially with Noelle or Zhongli's shield.
"This Spiral Abyss is easier than the last one" says the man with a R3 Amos Bow Ganyu and a Wolf's Gravestone triple crown Diluc.
you can clear this with 36 stars only using 4 star unit.
In my opinion it was easier than last time but the wolves r still very very tanky
@@daegham6006 take bennett and xingqiu out of equation
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Surprisingly 12-2 was the easiest. The wolves move too much so I end up using so much time chasing. U can trap the maguu kenkis with Geo travelers ult.
I just love when I see high ranked player still using Diluc in latest abyss especially clear it all. Proof that my boi still doing great even after all these times
Not having any anemo and/or geo characters makes this floor 12 incredibly hard, to the point where I cannot beat it. High resistances and hp pools mean that I simply cannot deal enough damage in time. Also if I go in too recklessly in an effort to try to deal as much damage as possible, then I risk dying due to corrosion. A single missed dodge can be a death sentence. Having Hu Tao as my main DPS is also an issue for this reason. Overall it's just not fun and I do hope they make it easier or maybe just take away the primo rewards from floor 12 and merge them into floors 9-11 and keep floor 12 as a challenge floor for those that have the characters required to beat it. Right now I feel disappointed having spent so much time and money into this game and not being able to get those primos because they just made it too challenging.
I don’t even think people understand that spiral abyss is supposed to (at least from my POV) be a test. You’re testing your characters AFTER you’ve invested and leveled them. It’s not something you can should expect to be easy at AR 40…I don’t think I 36 starred for the first time until I was AR 50+. And even now it’s more about strategizing than it is just having the newest or most meta dps (though Eula makes the “hardest” floor look like training).
True it is a test. I don't get it why people complain not being able to 36 stars it. It just means you still need to do something about your team or invest in them more. They expect free primogems despite having unbuilt characters. LOL. I also didn't managed to 36 stars my very first abyss since I didn't had any other good dps besides Raiden when I started. After getting Ningguang to 90 and also some other character I managed to beat it on the next cycle.
Personally, I'd rather they put out a Floor 13 so people can talk about 45*s instead of shoving the dps ceiling requirement higher and higher for floor 12
This abyss was not easier. The enemies were tanky, the corrosion and evading mechanics of the hounds were really annoying. Ofc with Bennett, zhongli,kazuha,venti,ganyu.. everything seems easy.
In general easier, i say it with a decent f2p account, the 3 kenkis are easy however this abyss has it's hard parts for the incorrect reasons, yes the dogs have weird hitboxes and you have to go after them, making you lose time, if the hounds were changed for challenging yet balanced enemies mor epeople would 36 star it
should have pulled those characters instead of bitching then
@@addollz6192 Some of us are poor
@@lilygirllisa it's actually not that hard to get them lol venti and Zhongli had 2 re-runs and it's not like Ganyu and Kazuha came immediately after
@@lilygirllisa you just have to plan ahead of time, i started farming for eula 3 months before her re run was even a thing, and now i have a godly eula thx to that.
You cleared it with one second left, I wouldn’t call that easier, I watch your Abyss runs before this was actually the hardest yet.
It’s quite exciting watching you progress through the original game content again. Brings back some good memories ☺️
That last moment before video ends is so relatable .. Saving for ganyu but damn it they are so tempting🥲
Zhongli: "I will have order!"
Mtashed: "Stay right there you little f-cks!"
The Kinky's are kinda brutal, but having no phase-shift downtime helps. Curiously, that's the only chamber of current last floor that I 3-star so far; it's also good because Geovishaps jump INTO you, no Rifthound i-framing and dodging bullshit
I haven't done that floor yet, but they just kinda stand there don't they? (The kenkis)
*Kenki
Kinky is something not related to this XDDD
@@capperbuns I personally found the magu kenkis the easiest floor to deal with because they stand mostly still. They deal a lot of damage but i just stood in bennetts burst and could tank everything
@@capperbuns they can, and do, get quite split up, depending on your positioning. Mine was bad in the early runs so I got to see it, and often got wind bladed to shreds by Lone Gale
@@nansssa9125 but isn't it really related, tho? I saw those kinky Kenkis, very earnestly ganging up on my waifus xD
it all comes down to your units tbh. I have 2 accounts and my 2nd account with Eula and Xiao teams who made previous abyss really easy is now barely touching floor 12. Meanwhile my main account with Hu Tao and Ganyu ran through it in 2 tries.
This is easiier, if you have ganyu, kazuha and zhongli, if u dont have u done
"Dont want to use physical against these ruin guards" Me who used Eula to 36 star abyss... (I used Geo Traveler and Albedo on the 2nd half)
I wasnt planning on pulling for eula but at the end i did, it was an impuls;-; but do you think i will regret taking her instead like xiao or ganyu? They are not difficult to use just spam plunge or charged, but ive seen that eula needs specific attack rotation and your dmg depends on it. Is she difficult to use?
@@hubabuba9448 I wouldn't say difficult to use, more that you will have to have more presence of mind while doing her rotations than say a Ganyu. You'll need to E and manage E stacks while doing the rest of your party rotation to funnel energy into Eula for her burst and while her burst is active you will have to focus on landing as many hits. That being said I find it extremely difficult to clear the current abyss with Eula because the rifthounds move around too much and literally i-frame my ult lmao
@@Looosid meta wise is eula good??? Or is xiao better overall, im deciding on what chracter to pick on
@@reimidii7344 They are considered both really good dps, Eula is considered better for speedrunning tho, especially if u have her cons, I just recommend u chosing whoever u have better character to create a team comp, if u have Sucrose built, then go Xiao, if u have a Diona or/and Raiden built, go Eula, etc...
ONE OF THEEEE BEST Mtashed videos imo.. POSITIVE VIBES!!
My issue with this spiral abyss is that the rift hounds have moves with invisible walls where you can hit them and their crazy movement plus the huge health pool they have makes them a huge problem even though I have the damage to kill them
You're such a character Tashman and I fuking love it.
It did get harder. I always get 33 stars on the abyss so i always get to finish it but this time it really was a challenge and very stressful but i still got 33 stars though some of the chamber were so close like just 1 second left 😭😭
Ngl thought it’d be impossible after seeing the triple Kenki (coming from a guy whos 36 starred since original 1.0-1.1 abyss) however, wasn’t so bad, if anything the dogs was more annoying but nothing you wouldn’t be able to manage...i must be scarred from the triple Kenki from the event with the negative modifiers lol
its not about f2p or whales, its about the team you have. and having ganyu with zhongli makes everything smooth.
U mean having Bennett and xingqiu?
I watch full ads for Mtashed. Hope your family is doing good!
Imo I think this version of the Abyss was alright, if it wasn't mostly for the stupid big wolf enemies, so I end up getting 31 stars again but I'm fine with it.
"make sure you dont use physical damage against the ruin scouts"
me who nuked them in 7 seconds with eula: yep
This abyss went way smoother than I expected considering what ppl were saying, used raiden national and xiao
yeahh the only things that are cancer is the samurai & then the 1m hp wolves/dogs. other than that it's doable. would love to see a f2p run though
whats the raiden national team?
@@faerist Raiden, xianling, bennet, xinqiu
@@isabellag6220 ohhh okay thank you
Indeed this is much easier than last abyss, the three kenki is the only hard part
Bruh. First Taco Bell. Then Hyundai. Now the Tashman has made a pact with the bull of wall street for stock market investments. Next he'll be advertising space tourism.
I don't know how he does it but this man has to have the craziest sponsorships in all of gaming, especially for someone who mostly plays anime themed gacha games. I love it.
"I think this spiral abyss is easier than the last one"
Well I disagree because I went from 34 stars in the previous one to 30 stars in this one. I haven't been this far from 36 stars since like June and my account is more powerful than ever having built up Childe and Hu Tao added to my team.
Its easier for you because you have like high refine of ganyu’s bow and ganyu,you also have zhongli,kazuha and diluc with wgs. Like srsly that’s already a whale level even if you’re f2p.
Me who cant Even defeat the Abbys Herald
I missed out on both Veni and Kazuha so it's pretty tough for me. Sucrose has been putting in work though!
I got lucky and got wolfs gravestone and xingqui as my first wish
My issue with Spiral Abyss is I have no desire to bother 36 Star'ing it, My account could easily do it but i have never done it as i always just "one and done" it at 34-35 stars simply because i think basing "difficulty" on DPS checks and time limits is boring at worst and lazy at best. Adding health bars the size of tombstones to enemies and asking you to whittle it down quicker isn't a difficulty modifier, it never has been and has always been looked at as the laziest way of creating an artificial challenge
Imagine if Mtashed use the wishes on Albedo's banner and actually got Albedo... i can already imagine the amount of screaming and raging he would do LMAO
Not gonna lie was actually excited to see the new account cause I’m new to your channel
As a f2p, it took me abt 3 hours to complete it. So I agree on it being too hard
If it took you 3 hours to complete it. It did its job and made you work for it.
you completed as in you 9 star-ed it ?
@@tyholland3101 no.
@@tyholland3101 i agree if itz too easy it would be boring
@@airdrighmor1439 ever heard of a challenge?
Invest-tash be looking like the guy HR sent to tell you that you're fired but in a nice way.
Me, who thought current abyss was easier than last.
same *floor 12-3 is still hell for me tho
definitely easier and less annoying than the previous. idk why others think otherwise
Yeah n its even more hellish for a mobile player!
@@Shiraiyuukii bro i'm playing on iphone 8 *sad*
i feel like thats the case because theres less rng bs, but i feel like you need specific characters for this abyss so it could be easier for some than others
liking the mix of content dude. seeing the new account, old acc + abyss, other games its all good.
The rifthounds are a absolute nightmare
Everyone gangsta till the enemies actually bring their sister
They should name it "Impossible without zhongli abyss"
17:06 In short if you’re a veteran player (w/ min maxed chars) or a whale, this will be SO EASY…
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BUT IF YOU’RE NEW, IT’S HELL (I started 5 months ago, I only got 35*)
(EDIT: finally got 36* 😭 just had better buff cards)
The last one got me 35 stars. Now, I got 36. This one was definitely easier
Or u got stronger
Lmao the last time was easier for me
@@muhammadrifaie9577 the ruin robots are so time consuming, it was impossible for me to 9 star floor 12. But now, they are grouped up. I used chamber 2 for healing though, to 3 star chamber 3
Yeahi felt that this abyss was easier as well. So did my friends that also 36 star on the regular.
I'm thinking for those that needed perfect rng to squeeze through the last abyss are probably struggling here. Not sure but that's how I feel things have gone down.
Feel like this is a hot take, but I think the spiral abyss was perfect this time around, at least for me. I got 35 stars (Screw 12-3) and I'm pretty happy with that. I can see how f2ps find it too hard tho (I'm a light spender)
the only problem for me personally is that the wolves have lots of hp AND move around a lot. besides that its honestly fine i got 33 stars but i could probably get 35 if i kept trying and using optimal comps for each chamber rather than just one run through
Nah, it's far from perfect for me (Also 35 star and struggling on 12-3). The more patch we have the tankier the enemies get, while the reward always stays the same. I kinda hate them for it, not to mention the corrosion (I personally find this feature counterintuitive with fun) and small hit-box enemy (wolf) are really a pain in the ass for this abyss.
@@pandie_6 That's fair. My two teams are Xiao geo and Raiden, Childe, Kazuha, and Benny, so solid teams, and the elemental shred you get with the wolves makes them much easier to deal with. I do wish they moved around less tho 😂
@@HRavenfolks I actually enjoy unique mechanics like corrosion because it changes the meta. Zhongli shield bot is no longer a solve all solution, I now have to run a healer with him to sustain the dmg. Healer meta is kinda cool imo, I wanna see unique characters be featured by mechanics
you do make a fair point with what would be needed as instead of single target focus having yourself a massive amount of AOE clearing would make these floors pretty easy, sadly i ain't got that myself but will attempt it anyways with my best units. keep up the great work Mtash.
very happy you decided not to remove everything, love both account videos
Use sucrose, qiqi (with new set), beidou and fischl together in 1st team for floor 12. 5 things which helps this team
1. Physical buff in current spiral
2.qiqi ult and beidou together will give massive heal so the damage from the new set will be very high.
3. Attacking Puppy and dog with same element will give more damage when rage is up (in this case electro).
4. VV set and superconduct for more shrewd.
5. Sucrose with TTD will snapshot beidou's damage.
Source-jinx and tunner stream
Mtashed u are the best genshin yt ever
(keep up the awesome work!)
Mtashed hitting 40-50k DMG for literally no reason is like 27.41% of the reason I wanna just stop playing Genshin. No way in hell I can catch up to that
Mtashed, repeating the words Kaeya, ad pops up with Kaeya, I thought damn this guy lucky, realize it was an ad, skips ad and sees he got Chongyun.
The only part I had trouble with was 12-3 first half. I didn't know that the wolves have really high resistance to everything and enrage makes them drop 65% to electro. That's better than viridecent. I know you love diluc and he still gets you through everything but you have to use Hu toa and you will see that he is power crept. My decent build with shimenawa set hits 60-70k with just zhongli shield and xingqui. And even with shimenawa I can see her burst over 200k. Her charge attacks hit multiple enemies more than not really. I was running ganyu xiangling Bennet and diona and couldn't get it done so I tried running sucrose in place of diona and it made a big difference. I think tazer comps are the easiest way to do first half of 12. And I will gladly take a higher health pool over the previous versions. It was more a matter of retry until the stupid enemies don't separate completely. At least this way you can make changes to improve your characters to get it done. The ai rng was a nightmare
If its mechanical it might just be dust/grime. Had it before with my E key... a drop of surgical alcohol cleared it right up.
This domain is easier than the last one imo(floor 12) in the last one I died constantly I actually built my c3 qiqi because of that. In this domain all that's really an issue for me are the geo rift hounds, since i don't have a geo char to deal with their tankyness. 😅
Abyss is very character dependent ig. I could see Ganyu Cruising against multiple rifthounds. Meanwhile whenever I use Raiden they're just pushed back and they move a lot. So basically melee character without range moves are nerfed for this abyss.
Guys if u can 9 star all the way to 11-3 ur fine screw floor 12 it’s worth the rage just chill and relax play it for fun.
I think with the kinky mangos, the single one we were facing before was basically all 3 of the current ones combined. The moveset of the megazord kinky mango basically got split up into the three we see.
The mask one only does mask based attacks (the push or slow targeted nuke). the anemo one seems to mostly do ranged wind slashes. the cryo one is the one that kept all the annoying moves (the charged blast and slash, and the forward dashing slash). Actually, I'm not even sure if any of them can do a backdash anymore.
National team destroys floor twelve. Used it against the kenkis and it felt a lot easier killing them instead of just one
"Investash here" smooth bro🤣🔥🔥
It’s been about 4 spiral abyss rotations since I couldn’t at least 34 star abyss. These pups are pretty tough, making me wanna raise Qiqi… Magu Kenki n friends from floor 12-2 are probably easier for me
The retry on the rifthounds you triggered their berserk mode which makes the large one get 60 percent more damage taken. Geo damage on geo rift-hounds. Even while petrified doing 3 hits of geo damage (your zhong li pillar) triggered the berserk mode and you started doing a lot more extra damage. That’s why you didn’t notice how much more tanky they are (they just have a lot of hp). Bringing an electro unit and a geo unit to trigger the berserk mode can essentially negate the tankiness provided you have the dps (obviously mashed has it).
Genshin player: floor 12 is hard😭
Mtashed: bring your sister😪
i used the same teams on all floors and got all the stars on my 1st try, i did swap team 1 and 2 depending on the floor.
On floor 12 it was:
Team #1 - Eula, Raiden Shogun, Kujou Sara and Bennett
Team #2 - HuTao, ZhongLi, Albedo and Xingqiu.
I agree, this abyss is 100% easier. This abyss is alot more friendly towards aoe focused units because there are only 3 opponents at most on floor 12 and all of them are programmed to aggro towards you (with ruin cruiser as an exception but its still easy to deal with it, just go towards it and the ruin defender will just come to you). The last rotation alot of the enemy are not always aggro towards you. The snakes have 2 kind of attack that doesnt teleport to you, not to mention there are 2 of them. Also 2 cruisers is just cancer to deal with especially on 12-3-2 where they spawn far apart already. Overall what makes this abyss harder is just the hp pool that are getting bigger, but i prefer large hp pool that I can group and hit them together than trying to run around hitting them one by one
Doing an add on investing after investing live on stream, I like the direction this channel is going!
17:41 so dude's already the follower
AEUGGGGHHH
I've been playing since 1.0 and haven been able to get 9 stars in floor 12 since the last abyss. But I couldn't get max stars in floor 11 because of the elemental cubes, so I still couldn't get the 36 stars achievement. The abyss is pain.
Oke the dab made my day! Mtashed don't you dare to ever give up! F2play god ya'll
Now that's what I expect from my favourite genshin impact youtuber balancing the accounts and happy!
6:41 well it took like maximum 15 seconds for my f2p childe to do that and he just has a mid build, imo I’d still say diluc got powercrept. Any character can do that floor in that amount of time with high investment.
I'm feeling like this one is harder than the last one. The last one I could ez clap the abyss, this one I'm actually struggling ;-
17:42 Bass boost that part for Gimnaeng experience
I completely agree this was my first 36 star in a while and i kept seeing videos about people saying it was so hard but im over here like "this was easy"
Mtashed, I have an idea. Do abyss on your phone and then talk about difficulty again, I think it will be fun to watch.
everytime mtashed go into the abyss i gotta hide my sister everytime
i can’t believe old spiral abyss was only like 2 ruin guards and 2 ruin graders and i used to struggle with it 😅
Missed opportunity to flex with the razor on those electro wolves
This Abyss is harder than the last one. The last 3-4 Abyss I could 9* floor 12. The current 1 I can't. I need to improve my national team further.
I struggled way more with this abyss, and crushed the previous one like it was nothing. I need to stop being so stingy with who I bring each rotaion, instead of sticking to my 8 best units, I need to mix it up, because hu tao and raiden were just not working out with those hounds
Put Raiden against the electro hounds. And Hu Tao is weak in this abyss rotation.
Someone is an undertale fan with all the music from it in the background 😂
The enemies I have trouble with is the rifthounds and spectors they just won't keep still especially the rifthounds teleporting everywhere it's annoying
Same opinion here, feel easier than the last spiral. Your gameplay is very satisfied! You totally style on them 💯
I agree about this being easier. I failed last 3 rotations but I got most floors first try with Diluc+kaeya team 1 and Noelle+albedo team 2. Geo is really strong here.
9:49 is ganyu still able to melt all her bloom arrows even with her Q and Diona's Q raining cryo on enemies?
I also see mtashed always using Ganyu's Q with Xiangling pyronado and them bloom arrows. Is that better DPS?
Ig that's somth like reverse melting 2 dmg or smth