The key to Weather Painter is realizing that running floodgates in the main is way more inconsistent than just using Small World and a bunch of Handtraps where Droll bridges litterally everything.
Given how I just lost to Kashtira after they banished 3/4th of my deck on their turn 2, I can safely agree that this archetype deserves its own place in hell.
@@wunderkind2396 NGL I did play Tearlaments Kashtira cause I had parts of one deck and parts of the other cause it was too expensive pure and it plays on my turn for Kashtira and Tearlaments will play on their turn
You know Kashtira is just turbo broken when no one mentioned Baronne de Fleur or Chaos Ruler as extra-deck hate monster and everyone just went Ariseheart
I didn't even notice that. Baronne is definitely high on the list for most hated extra deck monsters for me. Does way too much and is way too splashable into so many decks, on top of it having 3K attack. Also didn't see Zeus either
Dude Baronne would be top 5 for me for sure, but I think Rhongo Bongo and VFD are just even worse. Utopic Zexal too but I never played in a format where that shit was legal. But still, I hate how easy it is to make Baronne. I have no idea how "make Verte" became a meme but "make Baronne" didn't. I even play one because I'd be stupid not to. Even in Kashtira, with the Xyz lock, it's worth playing. An omni negate and a pop on demand for that easy is so stupid, even more stupid than Chaos Ruler cuz at least that card can't negate you trying to negate its effect. Ariseheart is stronger but only works in specifically Kashtira, no one's splashing it into just about every deck imaginable, must just be TCG players celebrating its ban
@blackdragonkalameet1016 that’s just recency bias in full swing. Ariseheart was fine at 1 and the least interesting hit that could’ve been given to Kash, like outright banning Unicorn. There’s been infinitely worse extra deck cards out there that the people listing Kashtira either never played with/against or are just letting the most recent format cloud their judgment. Like all of 2018 was home to some of the most annoying extra deck cards imaginable with garbage like Gumblar, Summon Sorc, Knightmare Goblin, and Firewall being abused. Or Linkross Halq Auroradon format where every combo deck just did the exact same line. Or you could go way back to garbage like Shock Master or Exciton being the most irritating and swingy card in the game on release. The only less ban worthy card on the ban list than Ariseheart right now is Drident.
1st. Earth machine is amazing. Let my Boi combo! 2nd. Floodgates are obviously the most hated but the number of people who hate Sky striker also reinforces to me that a deck that is all just power spells and recursion may not be something that should exist in the game.
Showed this to my boyfriend who unironically loves earth machines (because he wanted to make a Train deck) and he feels mildly attacked in this video 😂
Playing 'Klonoa 2 - Going to Lunatea' in the background is a vibe i didn't know i needed today, amazing to see Klonoa getting some love. Back on topic, Ultimate Conductor Tyranno is a card i hate. Mostly because my friend plays it and as a casual f2p it can be a little frustrating when your monsters just get flipped down and can't do anything.
Aleister is legit one of the best archtypes in all of YuGiOh in terms of design and I don't understand why people dislike it. In a time when the barrier of entry into our game is a real concern, a useable engine that results in a negate and MAYBE a book of moon or a pop that is simple to use and understand seems like an amazing idea, and I honestly think it deserves more support. I really don't understand how a deck that has only ever been like, the 3rd best in any particular format, is not horribly oppresive (compared to practically every meta deck in the last 8 years), and is simple in design can be construed as bad, like "oh no, it recycle a recourse easily"? It really baffles me.
Right? Mechaba's not even that good of a negate, it forces you to play a decent mix of card types in order to make it an omni. Purgatrio would have been a busted OTK tool if it came out a couple years earlier, but it didn't, so it's not even that big of a deal. And the rest of the Invoked monsters are just whatever, who cares. Oh wait, Invocation can summon any fusion monster, not just Invoked ones. Aleister is Cyber Dragon Core or whatever the HERO monster that searches the mask change spells is called but for any fusion deck. Yeah that's why a lot of people hate Aleister. (tbf, I don't, I think the card is fine now. Using Invocation for non-Invoked summons is always, at minimum, a 2-card combo. But I didn't play TCG when he came out and things were at a lower power level in general, so I don't have any trauma related to that time.)
@@drewbabe Nah, Invocation is always strictly worse than poly unless you are summoning an invoked monster, and it's hard opt, the only time you are using invocation as poly is if you are down horrendous for a fusion summon, and the best you are getting is almost certainly winda which is annoying, but it crops up occasionally since 2014, several other decks have used it with more oppressive boards and success, Invoked Shadoll Dogmatica was probably the best the deck has ever been and it was "ok" at the best of times.
People are just tired of seeing "Normal Aleister." Also every Invoked player's hand turns into four copies of invocation the moment Aleister gets ashed so their is that too.
@@TylerMcVeigh1 Yeah, I kinda understand the "It's boring" argument a little, like that's valid, but I feel like there is a line between "this isn't exciting me" and the "This is what is wrong with YuGiOh" stance some people take against it. I understand not liking a deck, but I really don't get the absolute hatred some people for a deck that has had a track record of being mid to bad.
whats even worse about the rush floodgate monster is that deck has another fusion they make a lot that floodgates all special summons for the turn. thankfully, the deck was never very good
I hate Weather Painters and Eldlich because they're both cool decks with fun gimmicks and interesting asthetics that just so happen to also be perfect recepticles for floodgates.
I'm not sure infinitely recycling resources and having either quick effect ways to dodge removal or just straight up destruction immunity and a huge ass counts as "fun gimmicks" but I agree with the interesting aesthetics part of your comment. Thank goodness both are too slow for the modern metagame.
I think that the reason that dude hates triashireractica is because of fairy generaiders bc on your oponets turn that can be a trinite 3 tokens draw 2 destroy 1 and max-c is legal soo topdecking a max-c of that draw efect hurts
Someone has never played against Outstanding Dog Marron Crooked Cook. You don't run Exodia, too vulnerable to discard and such. Instead yo u just win by deck out.
Archetype: Runick (the only archetype I have never won against) MD Monster: Inspector Boarder ED Monster: El Shaddoll Winda Spell: Final Countdown (20 turns huh) Trap: Evenly Matched Format: Spright (people were very creative)
Archetype: Domain Monarch main deck monster: Nibiru Extra deck: Appolousa Spell: Zombie World Trap: Mirror Force Format: Any Format where Mirror Force is good.
Earth Machines is the only deck I can use that's able to out my friends spellbooks and traptrix decks. So annoying to play against, but somehow my Geargia, Infinitrack, Train deck can beat it. It's all one deck yes, it's like 50 cards.
I would probably say my least favorite main deck monster is any of the Kaijus. Because they made tribute a viable removal option, it spawned so many ridiculous wall cards that force people to wait until their removal option shows up, but otherwise they can't do much about it. I know a lot of them can be stopped with Dark Ruler No More, Droplet, etc. but for a long time, your options were to basically prevent it from coming out or drop a kaiju. And since kaiju are so available, that just gave Konami an excuse to print these obnoxious monsters, because you can tribute them away, and any deck can splash a kaiju in it if they don't have good non-targeting, non-destruction removal. Red Eyes Dark Dragoon was basically the problem in a microcosm. Big monster with big stats, can be affected by very few cards in the game, and unless you happen to play a deck with an out in your extra deck, you either top-deck a Kaiju, Dark Ruler No More, Droplet, or scoop. Dragoon was just way more obnoxious because it was so easily accessible with Verte Anaconda. All you have to do is play a deck that can put 2 bodies on board, and you have to play 3 Garnets. That's it. For the extra deck, another trend-setter I'd single out is Borreload Savage Dragon. It wasn't the first good generic extra deck monster, it was just the first one that I felt was super obnoxious, and it was part of this big trend of generic extra deck monsters that were often times better than most ace monsters. It just kills any creativity, especially in rogue tier. Why would you even bother making something archetype-specific when Savage Dragon or AA-ZEUS is objectively better than anything in the archetype you're playing? As for archetypes - I think it should go without saying that Eldlich is probably my least favorite, because I hate floodgates too - it's basically what I said about the monsters that mostly just get removed via kaiju - they're cards designed to prevent you from playing the game until you draw an out. And Eldlich just sits on a big boss monster that doesn't really fully go away, the deck plays a bunch of interruptions, and half the time they're sitting on the one floodgate that completely counters your deck, and they have no problems because all they need is their one boss monster, and they're good to go. In most games, just having one big, tough boss monster is fine, it's nothing to be worried about, but in Yugioh it's basically a license to be the worst player at your locals because you're just going to throw in every floodgate card in the game and just watch your opponent pull their hair out waiting to actually play the game.
People will put 12 handtraps and fill half their extra deck with generic monsters and it's like, are you even playing your fucking archetype if you're just going to go into the same handful of extra deck monsters that everyone else plays?
@@Mr_Ozone Agreed - hate that too. I feel like that's more of a side-effect of decks just getting smaller and smaller engines where at some point, it's functional with a minority of cards in the deck actually being part of the deck and the rest is just generic. If I must say something "nice" about the more modern formats (Kashtira coming to mind) is that at the very least, Kashtira players actually play Kashtira cards instead of 25 hand traps. Still not fan of Kashira though.
I can answer the weather question. I play it a lot in unranked Master Duel and wipe the floor with everyone, without even having to resort to floodgates. Those little fairies work very well with Super Poly As for mine (banned cards excluded) Worst archetype: One Bad Day Worst main deck monster: Droll, it's literally Maxx C 2.0 and deserves to go before this year year ends. Worst extra deck monster: I've got nothing. I guess Abyss Dweller because I don't enjoy winning with any kind of floodgates. Worst spell: Don't really have a good time one. Again, I guess Deck Lockdown because floodgate. Worst trap: Anti Spell Fragance, not even close. Another one that better it not survive past December Worst format: every format until the release of Rainbow Dragon because I can't play my favorite deck on those, not even on ultra casual mode.b
That is one of the thumbnails of all times. Farfa looks like he's being held a gunpoint, mbt looks like he is a plant and Coder looks like he's trying to do a chad face
To put my hatrd towards Order into perspective: I have a full photo session of me standing on a bridge and burning down a copy of it. This card can stay in the nine hells forever idfc
@@tickledeggzI faced a guy playing Earth Machines and was unimpressed. Going second, my Swordsoul/Tenyi deck crushed his entire board and I won a battle with a different deck by just sitting on UDF.
Archetype - Floo Main Deck Monster - Shifter Extra Deck Monster - tie between Colossus and Rhongo Spell - Secret Village Trap - Summon Limit Format - Tear 0 (this is specifically the time period before Ishizus were hit for the firat time, after that I didn't have too many issues with Tear)
Archetype : Blue-Eyes (People ruin their own experience buying these expensive, terrible cards, and never play again) Main Deck : Maxx "C" (Actively makes the game worse by existing, even in the TCG since Konami balances around it.) Extra Deck : Verte Anaconda (Actively made the game worse by existing, turned potentially cool thematic bosses into generic dudes that sit on every endboard) Spell : Mystic Mine + Super Polymerization (MM is obvious, Super Poly has text on that says "You cant do anything about it, idiot") Trap : Floodgate Trap Hole (Look, Traptrix was really popular at my locals) Format : Kashtira (I love how konami designed an entire archetype around preventing your opponent from being able to play in any capacity whatsoever)
I love it how the one thing Farfa focused on with my post on the video is Sea Stealth Attack - when I explained that it's because of Umi Control - and how Runick got by unscathed. Anyways, FUCK FLOODGATES!
Archetype - Traptrix Main Deck Monster - Lovely lady of lab Extra Deck Monster - Buster dragon Spell - P.U.N.K field Trap - D barrier Format - Any format with any playable trap card
Most hated archetype: Floowandereeze Most hated main deck monster: Gimmick Puppet Nightmare Most hated extra deck monster: Mirrorjade the Iceblade Dragon Most hated spell: Mystic Mine Most hated trap: Anti-Spell Fragrance Most hated format: The one where pot of desires was at 1 (early 2022)
Archetype: Tearlament Main Deck: Knightmare Corrupter Iblee Hand Trap: Dimension Shifter Extra Deck: El Shadoll Winda Spell: Triple Talent Thrust (the current biggest pay to win card) Trap: Summon Limit Format: Tear 0
Funny enough my most hated archetype is DM. Fuck DM, is not that the deck is bad or anything. Is just that i have PTSD since Duel links when is was everywhere and they followed me to master duel.
Mine is Archetype - Runick (Especially with Floodgate) Main deck monster - Ash Blossom (Especially in MD where she's auto-included against Maxx C which is why I want it banned despite not really hating it, also she kills so much decks it's not even funny. If good deck has to consider playing through Ash anyway then get rid of her to give more lower deck a chance) Extra deck - Baronne (I was okay with her at first but the more and more she shows up every deck that can lv10 Synchro it's starting to get on my nerve) Spell - Dimensional Fissure (Honestly I dunno about Mystic Mine as I never play against them, but sounds like something I'd hate too ngl) Trap - Equally between Skill Drain/TCBOO/Gozen Match/Macro Cosmos/Evenly Match Format - I can't answer this one.
Yeah , Farfa is just mad he lost to Earth Machine , well , at least it's not a surprise... Kinda disappointed after i talk to him back in YCS London 2023.. Well ..
"I think Kash will go down as the most hated deck of all time" I wish that was true, but a lot of crazy people still have a hate boner for Tear even though its way more balanced now. Like, Tear didnt even have the highest top cut conversion rate at Dortmund. That would be Dragon Link. Its just that there was a LOT of people running Tear, just like Unchained and Purrely. And despite all that, your final two duelists were a Vanquished Soul player and a Rikka player. Though to be fair: those are anti-meta decks this format similar to Floow.
I think a lot of the hatred towards Tear is due it playing on both turns. I remember hearing a lot of people complaining about the, "Our Turn" aspect of Tear. Sadly, I agree with you though. I can see Tear format going down as the all time worst format and Kash format slipping though the cracks just because Tear is such a hated deck for so many people.
I’m relatively new to yugioh so the only clear answer in my mind for my personal hate is the extra deck and it’s a bit of a weird one, is specifically Masquerade the despia dragon, my friend used this on me cause he mains branded when I was just starting out and I could not out this and I would just -600 over and over again…Fun times!
Most hated archetype: Kashtira. Banishing stuff face down is for steep costs, NOT removal. No deck was built with that bs in mind with almost no way to get it back. Most hated main deck: Close, but Maxx C takes it. One of the worst cards ever invented. As much as I hate ash for all of the branded fusions it’s wasted, maxx c should not exist. D Shifter and kashtira fenfir tie for 3rd place because obviously. Most hated extra deck monster: Kashtira Ariseheart. Who thought this card was a good idea? It was designed to give no other decks a chance. Will not miss this card. Most hated spell: Kashtira birth. Does too much for one card. All three effects are bs. It’s awful. Could also be runick fountain. Another card I question what they were thinking. Drawing 3 and activate spells from hand on opponents turn even though they purposely took out hand rip cards. It’s going back on that philosophy. Most hated trap: Dimensional barrier. A literal turn skip that was clearly not play tested by Konami. Oh, and now it can be set directly from deck by newer cards. Great idea guys. Most hated format: From what I played, definitely tear 0 format. As much as I hate kashtira way more, tearlaments at full power did the same thing on both players’ turns. Surprisingly, I don’t think it’s too skillful to copy and paste the same profile winning tournaments and getting free wins because it’s too overpowered. Then again, it’s Master duel ranking in a nutshell. As much as I loath these things, Yu-gi-oh can still be fun, but I refuse to play master duel anymore. With kashtira about to be as annoying as before, hitting my branded fusion, and still not giving me the rest of the albaz cards, it just puts me in a bad mood, and the toxicity continues. I respect all of your opinions and hope you guys enjoy the game, but I’ve been taking a break. Especially if the dortmund tournament is to show, it seems like the tcg is going to be the healthiest format. Lots of variety was there. Fingers crossed it stays that way after age of overlord.
I don't understand the hate for floodgates. It seems most Yu-Gi-Oh players just have an allergic reaction to any form of control decks that isn't 10 minute long combos that end in a board of 37 omni negates
Kashtira before the Diablosis ban takes the title for me. It doesn't usually play floodgates (besides Ariseheart), but losing 5+ zones and getting an extra deck monster ripped away before your first turn was particularly awful.
All kidding aside, the devs really should take notes. I remember when I first started playing MD and encountered the discoball in the cancerous meta of early master duel. I could not believe it was real. A card that essentially reads "You are not playing the game. You do not participate in this duel. This is not a duel, this is you watching someone else play a single player game." A card that essentially erases the "MULTI" part in multiplayer? Ridiculous. Then I learned there's like 200+ cards, strategies and archetypes that do the same in one form or another. This is what floogates are. This is why they are indefensible. This is why they have no place in a game of any kind, but especially a Bo1 game like MD. I am in awe at the massive incompetence, malice or unimaginable cope necessary to think the very concept of a floodgate has any business being in any 2+player game of any kind.
Floodgates exist in many card games and aren’t nearly as impactful there. Momentum is just so important in Yugioh that waiting until you find a way out isn’t viable.
@@alisethera9349 Floodgates allways did ruin yugioh even when momentum, or "speed" was a lot slower. As far as I know, the very first meta was dominated by Yata-lock already. I am curious though, do provide examples from other card games please.
the funny thing about floogate traps is the only people i see complain about them are the people that loose to them these are the same people who never play or side any spell trap hate
Man, I don't have Twitter, but I am a little hater if I want to be, so here goes Archetype: Labyrinth MD Monster: Lovely Labyrinth ED Monster: Divine Arsenal AA - Zeus Spell: Mystic Mine Trap: There Can be Only One Format: That one period of time in Master Duel where Rongo Bongo turbo was a thing you would see all the way down in BRONZE. And only two of these are specifically just because floodgates are annoying...
Most Hated Archetype: Anything that plays floodgates Most Hated Main Deck Monster: Anything that is floodgate or enables floodgates Most Hated Extra Deck Monster: Anything that is floodgate or enables floodgates Most Hated Spell: Anything that is or enables floodgates Most Hated Spell: Anything that is or enables floodgates Most Hated Format: Any format where floodgates saw play.
Most Hated Arch: Kash Most Hated Main Deck: Fenrir Most Hated Extra deck: El shadoll Winda Most Hated spell card: Dimensional fissure Most hated trap: Shadoll Schism (hurhur! You only get 1 special summon on your turn, but on my turn I can turn it off, then just turn it back on during your turn) Most Hated format: Any that include Kash or Tearlaments
Minus formats i do have hated cards that were not anywhere on the list, runick is for spell, extra is dpe, barron, accesscode talker, pretty much any ending boss monster commonly used that is not part of the archetype, set is galaxy eyes, main monster is a particular witchcrafter card that protects spellcasters, most hated format is modern with the monster handtraps, negates and banish otk ftk bs. As for trap card ice prison. Goat is my fave and i do believe that the cards should have been limited but not fully banned
I hated kash till I noticed full ninja combo consist of "normal Hanzo" and I still have 4 cards to do somethin with, then I noticed kash can full combo without normal summoning. Ninjas also have a card that zone locks, lol
i loved when mbt and distantcoder showed up in the video
Me too
Ikr. Clickbait as hell
I especially loved when distant coder said “it’s coding time” and coded all over Farfa
🤌
MBT will “show up” when he jokingly elbows Farfa in a tongue in cheek manner for doing everything he does.
I loved it when 500 people showed up
In my experience, weather painters only work when you're playing against them.
The painters play well with the sacred beasts
I'm the guy who's cracked the code. I know how to actually Pilot painters.
@@TheMasterBlaze huh
The key to Weather Painter is realizing that running floodgates in the main is way more inconsistent than just using Small World and a bunch of Handtraps where Droll bridges litterally everything.
@@The_Great_Butler Ngl I wasn't expecting somebody to actually know one of the playable builds, but you have sure surprised me.
Given how I just lost to Kashtira after they banished 3/4th of my deck on their turn 2, I can safely agree that this archetype deserves its own place in hell.
And the people who designed it
After Tear milled half your Deck on their 2nd Turn
@@wunderkind2396 I was playing Labrynth to do my daily missions.
@@wunderkind2396 NGL I did play Tearlaments Kashtira cause I had parts of one deck and parts of the other cause it was too expensive pure and it plays on my turn for Kashtira and Tearlaments will play on their turn
....Add all of Visas related cards just to make sure.
you know aleister holds a special place when he gets his own museum section.
incredible
The one Invoked creature is one of the few actually banned on Duel Links.
@@residentgrey common invoked W
@@residentgreycocytus? Yea, still remember the wall of coc from invoked esaber meta in duel links.
You know Kashtira is just turbo broken when no one mentioned Baronne de Fleur or Chaos Ruler as extra-deck hate monster and everyone just went Ariseheart
I didn't even notice that. Baronne is definitely high on the list for most hated extra deck monsters for me. Does way too much and is way too splashable into so many decks, on top of it having 3K attack. Also didn't see Zeus either
Dude Baronne would be top 5 for me for sure, but I think Rhongo Bongo and VFD are just even worse. Utopic Zexal too but I never played in a format where that shit was legal. But still, I hate how easy it is to make Baronne. I have no idea how "make Verte" became a meme but "make Baronne" didn't. I even play one because I'd be stupid not to. Even in Kashtira, with the Xyz lock, it's worth playing. An omni negate and a pop on demand for that easy is so stupid, even more stupid than Chaos Ruler cuz at least that card can't negate you trying to negate its effect. Ariseheart is stronger but only works in specifically Kashtira, no one's splashing it into just about every deck imaginable, must just be TCG players celebrating its ban
Half of them put El Shadoll Winda in there.
@blackdragonkalameet1016 that’s just recency bias in full swing. Ariseheart was fine at 1 and the least interesting hit that could’ve been given to Kash, like outright banning Unicorn. There’s been infinitely worse extra deck cards out there that the people listing Kashtira either never played with/against or are just letting the most recent format cloud their judgment. Like all of 2018 was home to some of the most annoying extra deck cards imaginable with garbage like Gumblar, Summon Sorc, Knightmare Goblin, and Firewall being abused. Or Linkross Halq Auroradon format where every combo deck just did the exact same line. Or you could go way back to garbage like Shock Master or Exciton being the most irritating and swingy card in the game on release. The only less ban worthy card on the ban list than Ariseheart right now is Drident.
Almost every card you complained about is banned. Who complains about cards already banned ages ago?@@dariuspenner2528
1st. Earth machine is amazing. Let my Boi combo!
2nd. Floodgates are obviously the most hated but the number of people who hate Sky striker also reinforces to me that a deck that is all just power spells and recursion may not be something that should exist in the game.
Farfa doesn't like complicated decks
@@f687sNFMhe likes adamancipator
Showed this to my boyfriend who unironically loves earth machines (because he wanted to make a Train deck) and he feels mildly attacked in this video 😂
Bruh same. I like my choo choo trenz.
SAME EARTH MACHINES BEST DECK LESGOOOO
big train goes boom. -2000 direkt dmg into 6000 beatstick.
Who needs big effects if you can just beat them up
Same here. I also feel slightly attacked :D
It hasn't been relevant for a long time but don't let the hatred for Inspector Boarder fade, that card was a mistake
The fact that even Rush Duels has floodgates should tell you that YuGiOh truly is unsalvageable
Playing 'Klonoa 2 - Going to Lunatea' in the background is a vibe i didn't know i needed today, amazing to see Klonoa getting some love.
Back on topic, Ultimate Conductor Tyranno is a card i hate. Mostly because my friend plays it and as a casual f2p it can be a little frustrating when your monsters just get flipped down and can't do anything.
i don't like EARTH machines, i LOVE EARTH machines
Aleister is legit one of the best archtypes in all of YuGiOh in terms of design and I don't understand why people dislike it.
In a time when the barrier of entry into our game is a real concern, a useable engine that results in a negate and MAYBE a book of moon or a pop that is simple to use and understand seems like an amazing idea, and I honestly think it deserves more support.
I really don't understand how a deck that has only ever been like, the 3rd best in any particular format, is not horribly oppresive (compared to practically every meta deck in the last 8 years), and is simple in design can be construed as bad, like "oh no, it recycle a recourse easily"? It really baffles me.
Right? Mechaba's not even that good of a negate, it forces you to play a decent mix of card types in order to make it an omni. Purgatrio would have been a busted OTK tool if it came out a couple years earlier, but it didn't, so it's not even that big of a deal. And the rest of the Invoked monsters are just whatever, who cares.
Oh wait, Invocation can summon any fusion monster, not just Invoked ones. Aleister is Cyber Dragon Core or whatever the HERO monster that searches the mask change spells is called but for any fusion deck.
Yeah that's why a lot of people hate Aleister. (tbf, I don't, I think the card is fine now. Using Invocation for non-Invoked summons is always, at minimum, a 2-card combo. But I didn't play TCG when he came out and things were at a lower power level in general, so I don't have any trauma related to that time.)
@@drewbabe Nah, Invocation is always strictly worse than poly unless you are summoning an invoked monster, and it's hard opt, the only time you are using invocation as poly is if you are down horrendous for a fusion summon, and the best you are getting is almost certainly winda which is annoying, but it crops up occasionally since 2014, several other decks have used it with more oppressive boards and success, Invoked Shadoll Dogmatica was probably the best the deck has ever been and it was "ok" at the best of times.
People are just tired of seeing "Normal Aleister." Also every Invoked player's hand turns into four copies of invocation the moment Aleister gets ashed so their is that too.
@@TylerMcVeigh1 Yeah, I kinda understand the "It's boring" argument a little, like that's valid, but I feel like there is a line between "this isn't exciting me" and the "This is what is wrong with YuGiOh" stance some people take against it.
I understand not liking a deck, but I really don't get the absolute hatred some people for a deck that has had a track record of being mid to bad.
Its Farfa, lad, the personification of braindead takes.
whats even worse about the rush floodgate monster is that deck has another fusion they make a lot that floodgates all special summons for the turn. thankfully, the deck was never very good
Joshua Schmidt getting straight validation for his custom banlist this entire thread
I hate Weather Painters and Eldlich because they're both cool decks with fun gimmicks and interesting asthetics that just so happen to also be perfect recepticles for floodgates.
I'm not sure infinitely recycling resources and having either quick effect ways to dodge removal or just straight up destruction immunity and a huge ass counts as "fun gimmicks" but I agree with the interesting aesthetics part of your comment. Thank goodness both are too slow for the modern metagame.
I think that the reason that dude hates triashireractica is because of fairy generaiders bc on your oponets turn that can be a trinite 3 tokens draw 2 destroy 1 and max-c is legal soo topdecking a max-c of that draw efect hurts
Crooked Cook would be my most hated card especially when it is used to stall out Exodia.
Someone has never played against Outstanding Dog Marron Crooked Cook. You don't run Exodia, too vulnerable to discard and such. Instead yo u just win by deck out.
@@midn8588you do lose to graveyard hate with that ine
White Woman Jumpscare time!
Pro tip: replace the least important card in your extra deck with a single pentestag. Crooked cook will never beat you again.
@@phoenixvance6642 goddesses if you have the point
Archetype: Runick (the only archetype I have never won against)
MD Monster: Inspector Boarder
ED Monster: El Shaddoll Winda
Spell: Final Countdown (20 turns huh)
Trap: Evenly Matched
Format: Spright (people were very creative)
When your opponent is running Skill Drain:
*summons a Malefic*
Opponent: *scoop*
Average floodgate fans vs average malefic enjoyers
Get ready to take a shot for every Cockroach
Big shoutouts to the editor for the Klonoa music.
Big reminder that Majestpector is basically just the Klonoa Archetype.
Archetype: Domain Monarch
main deck monster: Nibiru
Extra deck: Appolousa
Spell: Zombie World
Trap: Mirror Force
Format: Any Format where Mirror Force is good.
Earth Machines is the only deck I can use that's able to out my friends spellbooks and traptrix decks. So annoying to play against, but somehow my Geargia, Infinitrack, Train deck can beat it. It's all one deck yes, it's like 50 cards.
Aka I love Earth Machines.
I would probably say my least favorite main deck monster is any of the Kaijus. Because they made tribute a viable removal option, it spawned so many ridiculous wall cards that force people to wait until their removal option shows up, but otherwise they can't do much about it. I know a lot of them can be stopped with Dark Ruler No More, Droplet, etc. but for a long time, your options were to basically prevent it from coming out or drop a kaiju. And since kaiju are so available, that just gave Konami an excuse to print these obnoxious monsters, because you can tribute them away, and any deck can splash a kaiju in it if they don't have good non-targeting, non-destruction removal. Red Eyes Dark Dragoon was basically the problem in a microcosm. Big monster with big stats, can be affected by very few cards in the game, and unless you happen to play a deck with an out in your extra deck, you either top-deck a Kaiju, Dark Ruler No More, Droplet, or scoop. Dragoon was just way more obnoxious because it was so easily accessible with Verte Anaconda. All you have to do is play a deck that can put 2 bodies on board, and you have to play 3 Garnets. That's it.
For the extra deck, another trend-setter I'd single out is Borreload Savage Dragon. It wasn't the first good generic extra deck monster, it was just the first one that I felt was super obnoxious, and it was part of this big trend of generic extra deck monsters that were often times better than most ace monsters. It just kills any creativity, especially in rogue tier. Why would you even bother making something archetype-specific when Savage Dragon or AA-ZEUS is objectively better than anything in the archetype you're playing?
As for archetypes - I think it should go without saying that Eldlich is probably my least favorite, because I hate floodgates too - it's basically what I said about the monsters that mostly just get removed via kaiju - they're cards designed to prevent you from playing the game until you draw an out. And Eldlich just sits on a big boss monster that doesn't really fully go away, the deck plays a bunch of interruptions, and half the time they're sitting on the one floodgate that completely counters your deck, and they have no problems because all they need is their one boss monster, and they're good to go. In most games, just having one big, tough boss monster is fine, it's nothing to be worried about, but in Yugioh it's basically a license to be the worst player at your locals because you're just going to throw in every floodgate card in the game and just watch your opponent pull their hair out waiting to actually play the game.
People will put 12 handtraps and fill half their extra deck with generic monsters and it's like, are you even playing your fucking archetype if you're just going to go into the same handful of extra deck monsters that everyone else plays?
@@Mr_Ozone Agreed - hate that too. I feel like that's more of a side-effect of decks just getting smaller and smaller engines where at some point, it's functional with a minority of cards in the deck actually being part of the deck and the rest is just generic. If I must say something "nice" about the more modern formats (Kashtira coming to mind) is that at the very least, Kashtira players actually play Kashtira cards instead of 25 hand traps.
Still not fan of Kashira though.
I can answer the weather question. I play it a lot in unranked Master Duel and wipe the floor with everyone, without even having to resort to floodgates. Those little fairies work very well with Super Poly
As for mine (banned cards excluded)
Worst archetype: One Bad Day
Worst main deck monster: Droll, it's literally Maxx C 2.0 and deserves to go before this year year ends.
Worst extra deck monster: I've got nothing. I guess Abyss Dweller because I don't enjoy winning with any kind of floodgates.
Worst spell: Don't really have a good time one. Again, I guess Deck Lockdown because floodgate.
Worst trap: Anti Spell Fragance, not even close. Another one that better it not survive past December
Worst format: every format until the release of Rainbow Dragon because I can't play my favorite deck on those, not even on ultra casual mode.b
That is one of the thumbnails of all times. Farfa looks like he's being held a gunpoint, mbt looks like he is a plant and Coder looks like he's trying to do a chad face
Earth Machine Monsters rise up !
People just love to shit on it
To put my hatrd towards Order into perspective:
I have a full photo session of me standing on a bridge and burning down a copy of it. This card can stay in the nine hells forever idfc
Traptrix community is still the most hated as they SHOULD be
You can't just show Aleister in a museum in France and not provide more context that's like illegal man
he doesnt even say why he hates earth machine
Its because you have to sot there and watch them play for like 15 minutes only to end on nothing. At least thats why i dont like the deck
@@tickledeggz counterpoint: i like trains
@@tickledeggzI faced a guy playing Earth Machines and was unimpressed. Going second, my Swordsoul/Tenyi deck crushed his entire board and I won a battle with a different deck by just sitting on UDF.
@@tickledeggzcuz you need big brain to play it
I think most people agree that weather painters are the worst. They either take 30+ turns to maybe win or win immediately by flipping skill drain.
Seethe
Archetype - Runick
Main deck monster - Droll
Extra deck monster - Winda
Spell - Mystic mine
Trap - Skill Drain
Format - 2018
Archetype - Floo
Main Deck Monster - Shifter
Extra Deck Monster - tie between Colossus and Rhongo
Spell - Secret Village
Trap - Summon Limit
Format - Tear 0 (this is specifically the time period before Ishizus were hit for the firat time, after that I didn't have too many issues with Tear)
Archetype : Blue-Eyes (People ruin their own experience buying these expensive, terrible cards, and never play again)
Main Deck : Maxx "C" (Actively makes the game worse by existing, even in the TCG since Konami balances around it.)
Extra Deck : Verte Anaconda (Actively made the game worse by existing, turned potentially cool thematic bosses into generic dudes that sit on every endboard)
Spell : Mystic Mine + Super Polymerization (MM is obvious, Super Poly has text on that says "You cant do anything about it, idiot")
Trap : Floodgate Trap Hole (Look, Traptrix was really popular at my locals)
Format : Kashtira (I love how konami designed an entire archetype around preventing your opponent from being able to play in any capacity whatsoever)
I need to know more about aleister in a museum in france.
I love it how the one thing Farfa focused on with my post on the video is Sea Stealth Attack - when I explained that it's because of Umi Control - and how Runick got by unscathed.
Anyways, FUCK FLOODGATES!
"They added floodgate to rush?"
Yamiruler the dark delayer in the corner:👁️ 😙😙
Archetype - Traptrix
Main Deck Monster - Lovely lady of lab
Extra Deck Monster - Buster dragon
Spell - P.U.N.K field
Trap - D barrier
Format - Any format with any playable trap card
As a Weather player I can understand. Most Weather players rely on floodgates, including Shifter. So it's like worse Floo.
Farfa's most hated spell being called by, is hilarious because of how obvious it is.
Most hated archetype: Floowandereeze
Most hated main deck monster: Gimmick Puppet Nightmare
Most hated extra deck monster: Mirrorjade the Iceblade Dragon
Most hated spell: Mystic Mine
Most hated trap: Anti-Spell Fragrance
Most hated format: The one where pot of desires was at 1 (early 2022)
I think the only deck that matches the amount of hate kash gets is like maybe Eldlich and runick.
the big synchro card in the thumbnail is either link fodder for my borreload or tribute fodder for my blue eyes
Archetype: Tearlament
Main Deck: Knightmare Corrupter Iblee
Hand Trap: Dimension Shifter
Extra Deck: El Shadoll Winda
Spell: Triple Talent Thrust (the current biggest pay to win card)
Trap: Summon Limit
Format: Tear 0
This made me realize, its not Tear I hated, its the shufflers.
Funny enough my most hated archetype is DM. Fuck DM, is not that the deck is bad or anything. Is just that i have PTSD since Duel links when is was everywhere and they followed me to master duel.
Mine is
Archetype - Runick (Especially with Floodgate)
Main deck monster - Ash Blossom (Especially in MD where she's auto-included against Maxx C which is why I want it banned despite not really hating it, also she kills so much decks it's not even funny. If good deck has to consider playing through Ash anyway then get rid of her to give more lower deck a chance)
Extra deck - Baronne (I was okay with her at first but the more and more she shows up every deck that can lv10 Synchro it's starting to get on my nerve)
Spell - Dimensional Fissure (Honestly I dunno about Mystic Mine as I never play against them, but sounds like something I'd hate too ngl)
Trap - Equally between Skill Drain/TCBOO/Gozen Match/Macro Cosmos/Evenly Match
Format - I can't answer this one.
I am scared of women
Archetype: Labrynth
Main Deck: Maxx "C"
Extra Deck: Accesscode Talker
Spell: Umi
Trap: Salamangreat Roar
Format: Ishizu Tear One
Archetype: Runick
Main Deck Monster: Dimension Shifter
Extra Deck Monster: El Shadoll Winda
Spell: Mystic Mine
Trap: There Can Only Be One
Format: Qli
Archetype: Labrynth
Main deck monster: D. Shifter
Extra deck monster: Arise-heart
Spell: Called by the grave
Trap: D. Barrier
Format: 2020 Covid
Just to clarify , is 2020 format the one that MD started with? [Adaman-VW-Eldlich-Drytron] ?
Yeah, rock solitarie, Calamity turbo, stundrich and herald turbo.@@dandomen3584
As THE WEATHER player... i totally... i agree. Imagine if this archetype is getting new support..
i reckon most of these people that say they hate dimensional barrier are the very people now using thrust to search it
6:02 elaborating on the main deck monster: it's a running joke at his videos
I propose konami make a card that says "if there is a floodgate on the field floodgate only ur opponent"
1:37 That means they bricked with Trias Hierarchia all the time
6:01 Magicore is still XEN's personal punching bag, even outside their videos
MD does favor opening one ofs
Neos made Swolelax bald, true story
Yeah , Farfa is just mad he lost to Earth Machine , well , at least it's not a surprise... Kinda disappointed after i talk to him back in YCS London 2023.. Well ..
archetype: kash
main deck: any mikanko
extra deck: mirrorjade
spell: raigeki
trap: tcboo
format: the one called droll format
"I think Kash will go down as the most hated deck of all time"
I wish that was true, but a lot of crazy people still have a hate boner for Tear even though its way more balanced now. Like, Tear didnt even have the highest top cut conversion rate at Dortmund. That would be Dragon Link. Its just that there was a LOT of people running Tear, just like Unchained and Purrely.
And despite all that, your final two duelists were a Vanquished Soul player and a Rikka player. Though to be fair: those are anti-meta decks this format similar to Floow.
I think a lot of the hatred towards Tear is due it playing on both turns. I remember hearing a lot of people complaining about the, "Our Turn" aspect of Tear. Sadly, I agree with you though. I can see Tear format going down as the all time worst format and Kash format slipping though the cracks just because Tear is such a hated deck for so many people.
Archetype: Thunder Dragon
Main Deck Monster: Ojama Pink
Extra Deck Monster: VFD
Spell: Triple Tactics Talents
Trap: Fake Trap
Format: None
Wait, I need the context about Aleister in a french museum
Archetype: runick
Main deck: fairy tail snow
Extra Deck; baronne
Spell; mystic mine
Trap: dimension barrier
Hated format: tear zero
As a weather painter player im fully aware that everyone hate playing against it
Archetype: Altergeist (it’s so fucking annoying to interact with)
Main Deck Monster: Inspector Boarder (Stun)
Extra Deck Monster: Azathot
Spell: Mystic Mine (Stun)
Trap: Skill Drain (Stun)
Format: Secret Slayer
Card that have milling effects, including Burning Abyss and That Grass Looks Greener.
I’m relatively new to yugioh so the only clear answer in my mind for my personal hate is the extra deck and it’s a bit of a weird one, is specifically Masquerade the despia dragon, my friend used this on me cause he mains branded when I was just starting out and I could not out this and I would just -600 over and over again…Fun times!
Archetype: Isizhu fairy
Main Deck: Maxx "C" or using TCG Fossil Dyna
Extra Deck:El Shaddoll Winda
Spell:Kaiser Collossuem
Trap:TCBOO
Format:Prime Firewall(2018~)
1:52 Is this Rata???😂😂😂
Most hated archetype: Kashtira. Banishing stuff face down is for steep costs, NOT removal. No deck was built with that bs in mind with almost no way to get it back.
Most hated main deck: Close, but Maxx C takes it. One of the worst cards ever invented. As much as I hate ash for all of the branded fusions it’s wasted, maxx c should not exist. D Shifter and kashtira fenfir tie for 3rd place because obviously.
Most hated extra deck monster: Kashtira Ariseheart. Who thought this card was a good idea? It was designed to give no other decks a chance. Will not miss this card.
Most hated spell: Kashtira birth. Does too much for one card. All three effects are bs. It’s awful. Could also be runick fountain. Another card I question what they were thinking. Drawing 3 and activate spells from hand on opponents turn even though they purposely took out hand rip cards. It’s going back on that philosophy.
Most hated trap: Dimensional barrier. A literal turn skip that was clearly not play tested by Konami. Oh, and now it can be set directly from deck by newer cards. Great idea guys.
Most hated format: From what I played, definitely tear 0 format. As much as I hate kashtira way more, tearlaments at full power did the same thing on both players’ turns. Surprisingly, I don’t think it’s too skillful to copy and paste the same profile winning tournaments and getting free wins because it’s too overpowered. Then again, it’s Master duel ranking in a nutshell.
As much as I loath these things, Yu-gi-oh can still be fun, but I refuse to play master duel anymore. With kashtira about to be as annoying as before, hitting my branded fusion, and still not giving me the rest of the albaz cards, it just puts me in a bad mood, and the toxicity continues. I respect all of your opinions and hope you guys enjoy the game, but I’ve been taking a break. Especially if the dortmund tournament is to show, it seems like the tcg is going to be the healthiest format. Lots of variety was there. Fingers crossed it stays that way after age of overlord.
Anty spell...the bane of my existence. Whether I lay pendulum or runick that card ruins my day on the spot.
I don't understand the hate for floodgates. It seems most Yu-Gi-Oh players just have an allergic reaction to any form of control decks that isn't 10 minute long combos that end in a board of 37 omni negates
next time i see my french teacher at my high school i'm saying not going to france she says way i would say alister the invoked is in a museum there
Kashtira really tried to take the title of most hated deck from True Draco. I'm still not sure which I hate most of those 2
Kashtira before the Diablosis ban takes the title for me. It doesn't usually play floodgates (besides Ariseheart), but losing 5+ zones and getting an extra deck monster ripped away before your first turn was particularly awful.
The fourth best adventure monster could be their most hated because it’s so bad and didn’t accomplish anything for the archetype
All kidding aside, the devs really should take notes. I remember when I first started playing MD and encountered the discoball in the cancerous meta of early master duel. I could not believe it was real. A card that essentially reads "You are not playing the game. You do not participate in this duel. This is not a duel, this is you watching someone else play a single player game."
A card that essentially erases the "MULTI" part in multiplayer? Ridiculous. Then I learned there's like 200+ cards, strategies and archetypes that do the same in one form or another. This is what floogates are. This is why they are indefensible. This is why they have no place in a game of any kind, but especially a Bo1 game like MD.
I am in awe at the massive incompetence, malice or unimaginable cope necessary to think the very concept of a floodgate has any business being in any 2+player game of any kind.
Floodgates exist in many card games and aren’t nearly as impactful there. Momentum is just so important in Yugioh that waiting until you find a way out isn’t viable.
@@alisethera9349 Floodgates allways did ruin yugioh even when momentum, or "speed" was a lot slower. As far as I know, the very first meta was dominated by Yata-lock already.
I am curious though, do provide examples from other card games please.
I love that the neos hater blurred out the card on the right that shall never be mentioned ever again.
That Dark Magician Dragoon fusion... so glad its banned in Master Duel
Surprised noone put called by the grave as their most hated spell..
Surprised it isnt just a list of one card all places being" Maxx C"
i need to know why aleister the invoker is in a french museum.
the funny thing about floogate traps is the only people i see complain about them are the people that loose to them these are the same people who never play or side any spell trap hate
Genuinely surprised we didn’t see Runick up here
3:46 "MOST HWEIGHTED ARCHETYPE"
For me its Kashtira when it comes to deck and Baronne de Fleur card - its to powerful for that small cost of summoning.
as a Fusion enjoyer, Altierra the Skysavior Transience is ULTRA BASED
Man, I don't have Twitter, but I am a little hater if I want to be, so here goes
Archetype: Labyrinth
MD Monster: Lovely Labyrinth
ED Monster: Divine Arsenal AA - Zeus
Spell: Mystic Mine
Trap: There Can be Only One
Format: That one period of time in Master Duel where Rongo Bongo turbo was a thing you would see all the way down in BRONZE.
And only two of these are specifically just because floodgates are annoying...
Most Hated Archetype: Anything that plays floodgates
Most Hated Main Deck Monster: Anything that is floodgate or enables floodgates
Most Hated Extra Deck Monster: Anything that is floodgate or enables floodgates
Most Hated Spell: Anything that is or enables floodgates
Most Hated Spell: Anything that is or enables floodgates
Most Hated Format: Any format where floodgates saw play.
i feel like this video was intended to be immensely more dense and in depth then this and majority of the 3x3s were just completely unusable or samey
For my haters, it's dimensional barrier, for me it's the whole hero extra deck
I hate zombie world. It disrupts the hell out of most decks.
This video is the yugituber equivalent of a Hero Hei video
Most Hated Arch: Kash
Most Hated Main Deck: Fenrir
Most Hated Extra deck: El shadoll Winda
Most Hated spell card: Dimensional fissure
Most hated trap: Shadoll Schism (hurhur! You only get 1 special summon on your turn, but on my turn I can turn it off, then just turn it back on during your turn)
Most Hated format: Any that include Kash or Tearlaments
Fenrir solos 90% of rogue decks
Kashtira unicorn stops janked extra deck combo ND arise heart doesn't let u play d game
Yet it's limit branded fusion
Minus formats i do have hated cards that were not anywhere on the list, runick is for spell, extra is dpe, barron, accesscode talker, pretty much any ending boss monster commonly used that is not part of the archetype, set is galaxy eyes, main monster is a particular witchcrafter card that protects spellcasters, most hated format is modern with the monster handtraps, negates and banish otk ftk bs. As for trap card ice prison. Goat is my fave and i do believe that the cards should have been limited but not fully banned
Why people hate the funny birds?
The Barrier statue I completely get but the birds themselves really?
I hated kash till I noticed full ninja combo consist of "normal Hanzo" and I still have 4 cards to do somethin with, then I noticed kash can full combo without normal summoning.
Ninjas also have a card that zone locks, lol
Archetype: Tear
Main deck Monster: Fenrir
Extra Deck Monster: Winda
Spell: Called By
Trap: Imperial Order
Format: Tear 0
If your answer isnt Blackwings, something is wrong.