HOLES In Your Barefoot shoes - Here’s Why…
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Altra Escalante 3's from video: amzn.to/3M9tM3o
In this video, I go through the reason why your shoes MAY be breaking on the top mesh area, particularly with the Vivobarefoot Primus Lite 3's.
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Raised toes just before the landing/footstrike was the main thing that destroyed my toenails in closed-toed shoes. However, running in sandals completely alleviates this issue. I wish I had known that before I tried running in closed-toed shoes one day (after running in sandals for 3 years) because now most of my toenails have since turned black and fallen off from that single experience (10+mile run in shoes).
Sandaled running is fantastic and I recommend it for anyone. Ventilation and toe splay are only rivaled by barefoot running, but sandals provide some protection for the soles. There are tons of good brand on the market for this (Shamma Sandals, Earthrunners, Bedrocks, Xero Shoes, Unshoes, etc.).
Yep xero z trek sandals are bloody brilliant
You know what, I will give it a go when the weather gets warmer and the snow clears! Sounds awesome, thanks for the tip!
I’ve watched tons of barefoot transition videos and this is the first to address this important issue. Def earned a like & follow. Keep up the great content!
Thanks you so much, I really appreciate it! I will keep trying to deliver the most useful content I can!
I had no idea this was an actual thing, and not just material or me issue! Great video btw
I’m glad you found it useful thank you! I have been on a massive journey after various injuries and it is crazy how intricately interconnected everything is.
I did't buy a barefoot shoes yet (only a pair of sandals) but I'm so glad I saw your video because you explained the cause of the problem in a simple and clear way. I will definitely do the exercises you recommended. I find them suuuuper useful. thank you thank you 🙏
I love that you found the information helpful thanks for your feedback! Good luck with your barefoot journey and if I can help in any way, I will do my best!
Really great video man. I just got my first pair of Vivos today and did 1/3 mile just to “feel them”. I’m thinking this is a 3-4 month transition. I wear boots (ee wide) everyday because of my job, but walk barefoot any chance I get. I could already feel my calves working!
Thanks I really appreciate it! That is a very smart idea to try to prolong that transition, the calves are what you immediately notice but there are also a lot of considerations that will be needed to account for (for a lot of people) in relation to hip alignment, and rotation if barefoot movement ends up affecting your gait cycle! Good luck with the transition, it’s awesome to hear you are already feeling it!
Thanks, buddy. I thought I was coming here just to hear about the shows being overpriced or something. Much more interesting outcome.
Thanks for that feedback, I love to hear that!
I think this is an astute and valuable distinction. I've been watching and studying a lot of barefoot shoe info for a few years and you're the first I've seen who addressed this. Certainly the places where our shoes wear can tell us so much about how we're using our bodies!
Note for anyone who has a hole in this location: if your big toe is hitting in the middle like that when you raise it, there's some misalignment of that toe you may want to work on :~)
Thanks for your great feedback! I think a lot of people don’t want to potentially turn people off barefoot movement so it becomes a little more difficult to find videos that address these issues. Funnily enough, I was planning on speaking about the misalignment of the big toe and how it relates to how the foot pronates in the mid-stance gait but the video got pretty complicated and I wasn’t able to explain it as well! In fact I still have this problem! 😅 So much needs to be unpacked with that particular issue as the knees, hips, toes, and ankle need to be looked at and then I have to link that to forefoot running (which I am not fully sold on!
You seem to have a good knowledge of this area too so I really appreciate your comment!
@@theNamesPhillip Thank you! I know a little, always learning. It is a topic of interest because I have a moderate bunion that I'm working to re-align or at least stop progressing.
And because mine is only in my left foot, with my right big toe naturally aligned and strong, I know it must not be ONLY our shoes that cause this; it must be also about how we move and use our feet.
-- For instance: perhaps, because I am right-handed, I would most often power or push off on my right leg.. making the left the forward leg with the landing-braking-reversing actions constantly pushing that foot into the tapered toe of the shoe.
-- Another one: Typical gait compensation for reduced mobility in the ankle is to turn the foot out, over-pronate & roll through the arch, pushing the big toe over toward the outside (like the 'bunion position'). When I learned this earlier this year I had an Ah-ha! As a young teen I sprained my left ankle pretty badly, leaving it slightly thickened and less flexible, even just a bit now in my early 60s. That compensation during healing and after, plus a few re-sprains, could have become habituated and created the bunion-causing forces in just that foot.
On with the journey!
Great video, but a bit of a counterpoint. I used to always wear out the mesh above the big toe in all of my conventional shoes before I switched over to barefoot shoes. That would always wear out first on all my shoes.
Interesting, thanks for the response! Did your conventional shoes have an elevated heel or were they more flat? Of course, everyone is different, so there could be plenty of reasons for the excessive wear of the toe, this is just the one that I found for myself and a few other people popped up in my research.
Thanks for your feedback, and thanks for the support as well, I will see if I can look into other potential reasons for holes in the top mesh of the shoe 🙏
@@theNamesPhillip they were normal running shoes so quite a bit of heel lift. For me, I think my toes being squished together pushed my big toe upwards.
Thanks for the insightful video! I'm on my second pair of barefoot shoes (Xero HFS), and it's the second time I've developed holes through the shoe lining. This time the holes are bilaterally located at the medial metatarsal/bunion region of the shoe.
I thought it was just due to poor quality stitching and excessive lateral movements (i.e. playing pickleball haha), but your video raises a good point about unintentional gait mechanics and the role they have to play. As opposed to buying a new pair, I’m going to get some nylon patches to cover the holes whilst incorporating tib raises into my routine🤞🏼
I’m glad I could be of help so thanks for the feedback!! 🙏 I would recommend gaithappens on Instagram as well if you are interested in the topic, they have amazing content!
Another nice video! I have this issue on a pair of old shoes with raised heels. Never connected it to weak feet
Thanks! Yeah for a while it wasn’t even in my mind but in hindsight it makes total sense.
I want those pants OR whatever ya call it? Love my Barefoot shoes ..Great video!
Haha harem pants I’m glad you liked them! 😂 thanks for the kind words!!
I have been wearing barefoot type shoes since 2016 I think. Often they were just whatever cheap swim shoe I could find in my local stores. But i may wear holes right through the bottom (heels + forefoot) I never got a hole through the upper part! I DO remember I used to have that issue decades ago from REGULAR shoes but not barefoot shoes! Not sure why
My feet are very hypermobile as I have hEDS. Many of us zebras love living in barefoot shoes! ❤
Cheap swim shoes has got to be the ultimate barefoot start! 😂 That’s great that you don’t experience the wear and tear issues on barefoot shoes. I have found there are so many little details that can affect a persons gait so I can imagine HEDS is something that will really really affect gait mechanics. It’s really interesting though, I’m just reading up about it now and finding a whole new perspective so thank you very much!!
This has happened to me in tsla zero drops 3 pair. I got the new model reinforced in that area and one half size smaller so my toe is under the rubber.
Great to hear that it helped!!
The biggest problem with Vivos is their extremely low volume toeboxes. WIdth isn't enough, you need room for your toes to move up and down. Not only that, but basically all their shoes look weird like duck feet because of it. They also get even more damaged in the way you're showing, while bothering your toes.
If they ever change their last and introdude higher toeboxes, like so many other barefoot brands, their shoes will be perfect.
There’s no much dorsiflexion in the way you squat, since you are squatting with your feet turned out and a very wide stance (ironicaly, you are probably squating like that to compensate for a previous lack of dorsiflexion). To increase the dorsiflexion demands your feet should be straight and your stance should be more narrow.
Thanks for pointing that out and giving a great explanation. My deep squat is definitely in need of improvement and you are correct about the compensation but it is more to do with a hip rotation issue I am working with at the moment. From what I have read, dorsiflexion is still worked even with a wider stance but to less of a degree than a narrower stance, an if someone can work their way up in this manner, I believe it to be a net positive. Would love to hear your thoughts and I appreciate the constructive feedback 🙌
@@theNamesPhillip shure, you're still working on your dorsiflexion in any type of Deep squatting, I just wanted to point out how to make the movement more biased towards improving dorsiflexion. Anyways, squatting deep with a narrow stance and feet straight is very hard, I know that, so yeah, I think starting with a wider stance and feet turned out is a good regression (in terms of pure dorsiflexion demands, otherwise there's nothing wrong with the way you squat in the video).
@@matriaxpunk Deep squatting in a narrow stance is going to be impossible for some. And the same can be said for wide stance deep squats. There is no "one size fits all" when it comes to squatting. Everyone has different hip anatomy (hip socket depth, femor shape). If the goal is to work on dorsiflexion, there are other ways outside of squatting to achieve this (ex. tibialis raises, calf raises, etc.).
@@chellsee4167 that's why if you can't squat with a close stance and feet straight, then squatting is not a good exercise for dorsiflexion, wich was my initial point.
Having to do excercises to just walk seems like another barefoot insanity bs. I've been walking in "barefoot" shoes for 2 years, had same tear issue with primus lite and on regular runner shoes where toenail touches the net material. Concluded it has happened because of poor construction of the shoe in both cases, plus higher foot mobility in primus lite which is why it lasted less than a year for me.
I partially agree but I don’t put the onus on barefoot. The exercises are, in my opinion, necessary because conventional shoes became so efficient that they created lazy feet. In the grand scheme of things 2 years is awesome but not all that long to undo years of learning. The Primus Lite 3’s are not amazingly constructed (particularly for the price) and are not alone there, but placing the blame solely (🥁) on the shoe is only looking at half of the information.
Just wear barefoot sandals, never had the problem described in this video.
That’s three comments in a row about sandals, I will definitely look into it when the snow clears.
your pants are so awesome!! great content! have you had any experience with posterior tibialis tendinitis? i think it is caused from tight calves, which is definitely an issue with transitioning to barefoot shoes. i have been wearing xero shoes for years, but whenever i try to run in them (which is my ultimate goal), that tendinitis returns. makes me sad and frustrated.
I have not had posterior tibial tendonitis but I have had major issues in that area do to a high impact sprain that caused a similar level of instability. I find that I have had issues returning to barefoot shoes on different levels. Firstly barefoot shoes are inherently going to cause greater stress due to minimal padding and though not providing heel elevation (plantar flexion) like conventional shoes. At the same time, a lot of my pain towards the end seemed to be a result of my brain having learned to tense up and prevent adequate mobility in my problem areas. I have not fully fixed this but there are a lot of postural restoration resources on youtube that could be useful.
I don’t have a great solution but I have found a huge benefit in using zero-drop shoes as a middle ground between conventional shoes and barefoot. I use the Altra Escalante 3’s. They have a wide natural toe box and are flat so you are able to work dorsiflexion strength. They characteristically also have more padding in order to alleviate stress. Maybe that helps but I do hope you find a solution!
Great video!!
Appreciate it, thanks!! 🙏
Good video man i wear z trek sandals from xero fantastic
Thanks really appreciate it, will definitely get my hands on a pair of barefoot sandals!
Yea do it man running in them is a dream and every day life too @theNamesPhillip
@theNamesPhillip I like vivo but I find the material seems to bunch up good company know I have just brought some xero messa trail 2 shoes very good too
Great video! Keep going
Great video
Thanks very much for the feedback! 🙏
My English are not so good, I didn’t get it. So
doing this exercise will avoid this kind of hole at the shoes ?
No problem, yes for a lot of people. Most people have weak muscles when pointing their foot upwards. They try to use their toes too much instead. These exercises will make you stronger in your ankles and give you better movement there :)
@@theNamesPhillip Thank you for your fast answer.
Great video! I wondered about this curios symptom and you explained it very eloquently, thank you.
How long did it take for you to sort out your deep squat and dorsiflection? I've known that I should correct this in myself for years and with the periodic attempts, I see little to no improvement.
Thanks I really appreciate it! Well it took me about 30 days where I would be totalling around 15 mins per day in that position. Some people are going to be a better than others at getting into that position as a lot of it is based on ancestry which is super cool imo!
If you are seeing little to no improvement I would suggest trying to understand the component that is causing the hurdle. Is it a case of hips, angles, etc. then when that is understood, it can be focussed on.
Also maybe try to make your environment as comfortable as possible maybe even with incense. I find the body is much more malleable when it is relaxed and the brain is completely aware of the body’s movements. It sounds quite farfetched but there is something to it.
Think you just need shoes that fit you better or just try toe spacers. Where the extra fabric is on the front of the primus is where your toe is meant to sit. Your big toe should not be touching the mesh and if it is either your toes are still to narrow due to years of conventional shoe wearing or they just simply a wrong fit for your feet.
I do think feet are more diverse than people realise and vivo barefoot need to do better to accommodate everyone. Dispite that atleast they don't mold and restrict your feet
Yeah, I do agree with what you’re saying here. I initially bought these shoes because of them being talked about as a really good entry level barefoot shoe. That is definitely something I would have to disagree with due to this experience because a lot of people are going to have the same issue when moving from conventional shoes.
While I do use toe spacers, I think that is only part of the problem and I think that the design oversight of this shoe that has been remedied in newer models, has actually brought forward the problem that the big toe is being over utilised in order to make up for inadequate dorsiflexion strength.
I do actually like vivo shoes, and I have multiple pairs of them. I definitely think that better than conventional shoes. With that, said I do think that there are issues with the design
Great stuff!
Thank you for making this video. I’ve noticed my primus lites showing big toe wear already just after 4 months and I’ve ordered a patch that will go inside to reenforce this.
However, it’s nice to see that this is actually something that can be fixed, cause even with my none barefoot shoes, I used to get a hole in them.
Do you have any recommended workout that I can do? I can already full squat naturally and I’m doing 1x20 tib raises every gym session. I also walk backwards on a treadmill for 10 mins.
A second question is that I want my little one (15 months) to be used to barefoot from the start, rather than adapting later. She’s barefoot as much as possible and wears decathlon shoes that are zero drop and fully flexible, tho they don’t have the widest toe box. How important is a wide box and is there anything else I can do to make sure her foot development isn’t hinder more than it needs to be?
Heya, thanks for the feedback! That's good that you are working on fixing your products like that rather than getting a new pair.
I think you are definitely on the right track here for sure. Without knowing your specific needs and circumstances, I would say:
1. Maybe do another set or two of the 20 tib raises
2. Toe yoga (Toega) is great. We want to make sure that the toes are strong and that we train the mind to be able to more our toes independently from each other. This involves various movements like flexing, pointing, and rolling your toes to increase their range of motion. You can perform these exercises when you have some free time during the day as well so that's convenient.
3. I use a Bosu ball equivalent and a slant board in order to practice ankle balance drills in order to strengthen the stabilisation muscles and train my brain to feel comfortable in these situations instead of tensing up instinctively.
4. Gait Happens on Instagram should be your new best friend, they are amazing and a huge resource for me. The same with KneesOverToesGuy on RUclips.
As for your little one, it's fantastic that you're introducing her to a more natural and barefoot-friendly environment! I think wide toe boxes are very important but I also don't think it needs to be a black and white situation, the dose makes the poison. For instance, I play football and wear tight horrible football boots for a few hours per week. This is my advice without any understanding about the difficulties of parenting and also not being a professional in this field:
1. Water shoes could be a really good solution as generally they are super wide and flexible
2. Limit Conventional shoe usage
3. Try to find shoes with as flexible a sole as possible
Hey Philip, after spending so much time in the Vivobarefoots, have you found normal shoes to be uncomfortable? I just got Vivobarefoots and really like them so far, but still want to be able to wear normal shoes on formal occasions for example.
Hey great question! Yep I definitely find normal shoes uncomfortable after making the switch. I still wear tight fitting shoes when I play football but I try to avoid it most of the time and only use tight shoes for short periods of time.
You can likely find barefoot versions of more formal shoes if you want more comfort (I’ve seen some by Groundies and Zaqq but I don’t know what the quality is like).
good content, and you address something often dismissed the Zero drop shoes with padding. Mate can I ask you if the Altra comfy for walking as they are made for running, thus the front of the shoe is raised up, does it make them suitable for walking like an hour or more?
I use those shoes for walking quite a lot when I’m in towns or areas where I am going to be walking on natural surfaces, like concrete or asphalt. I personally find them really comfortable for walking, especially for long periods of time.
@@theNamesPhillip Thanks mate , just a question what type of stride you using the toe or the heel?
@coolissimo69 good question! Something that a lot of people don’t consider is that hip composition is actually genetic. Generally people who have ancestry from warmer climates will have hips that make it easier to perform deep squats. People with ancestry from colder climates will tend to have a body composition suitable for longer walking period upright, because the temperature wouldn’t allow for long periods of squatting for most of the year. This is just to say that I don’t think there is one correct way to do something and that I would base a lot of my health decisions on likelihood of my ancestors and what feels correct to me.
With that, I work somewhere between a heel stride and a midfoot. I tried a forefoot stride, but it ended up causing me discomfort in the outer side of my knee and up to my hips and back and shoulder On one side. The stance that I use now allows my foot to adequately pronate and supinate, which feels like a more natural way for my hips to move and communicate with the rest of my body.
@@theNamesPhillip Very interesting facts you provided , made me be aware of other factors to be thinking about. Since I started the barefoot, my knee pain went away,, so my hip pain also being replaced my foot pain 😂😂😂😂Not always, but gets sored. I try to land on the side of the foot and then toes My reasoning is that maybe I need a little more cushioning so when I land my foot wont be struggling . I am not fat , I am fit. Will try this weekend to find a store that has the Escalante 3 or maybe the Altra Torin 7.
@coolissimo69 that’s great to hear, I need to see if I can replace my hip pain 😂 let me know how it goes, did you find the shoes and did you like them?
4:43 kung fu master 😅😊
😂 you got me
I dunno man i saw a kid's vivobarefoot shoe who never wear normal shoes have this issue
True, that's my point. If you have adapted your gait in response to normal shoes with the drop, that's when the issue may occur (but it is highly individual)
@@theNamesPhillip yeah maybe you're right, I also think that mine was because of upward pointed nails but not everybody has that so maybe it is highly individual
What kind of pants are those? They are sweet!!
Oh I’m glad you like them! they’re called harem pants. They’re a traditional ancient Persian item of clothing that was adopted by the Ottoman Empire, quite a cool history for a type of pants!
They’re amazing and I need to buy more, they don’t restrict movement and they look cool!
Trying to listen and follow along but I am distracted by those freakish pants and irritating music.
I guess those pants aren’t for everybody but I love them, normal is boring 😅