@Walter Ostlie Exactly! Ive learned quickly that making comics is a lot of work. Fantasizing about getting fans & a following of something you created is great and all, but I just really want to tackle a big project that I can be proud of. Whether it's a success or not.
On the special webtoon panels, one thing I love about the webtoon format is the potential to use the scroll function to tell the story. Like transitioning sky colors to convey passage of time or using the scroll to hammer the distance a character fell or using the space to ramp up a big attack
Yep. I did something with my very first episode that just hits different scrolling vs seeing in print. It's definitely seems easier to convert from print to webtoon than vice versa, but you can't get those sweet scrolling shots if you do it that way.
My first love has always been to have my stories printed because I grew up reading physical books; it's my favorite past time I still enjoy. Reading traditional comics is fun as well; although that's endgame for me, I am going to test the waters with the scrolling method because it's interesting. Using both methods is good, but as I mentioned my preferred is the traditional format....something about that format just makes me so comfortable. I hope one day you'd do a video on POD companies when it comes to having comics printed; I know about Amazon and Barnes and Noble, but I wonder if there are others out there, especially for people who can't (at the moment) afford to have books printed out to sell at conventions. I think creating a webcomic is good for those starting out; it's a great way to get your name out there, to show people the kind of stories you'll put out there when you have your stories printed and ready for sale. That's why I chose this route.
Print format is the only way for me. There's so much more opportunity for interplay between the panels. Each page is characterized by its own composition. It allows for more creativity, as I've seen. I also prefer to read on my laptop and not my phone, and I don't mind zooming in on my phone anyway. And I'd argue most print pages just cannot be chopped up and reformatted. I don't want to turn away readers, but maybe I'm just old fashioned! I've often wanted to zoom OUT of infinite scroll comics because the font is too big and the art too crude, but you can't do that on a phone. I've always felt that the end goal of making comics is to hold a printed version of it where you can appreciate the fine mark-making up close and feel and smell the paper and anticipate the page turns. It's satisfying to just own a physical book of the stories I like. It's all a part of what I consider the superior reading experience. As much as I want to make my own webcomic, it's a stepping stone to get it printed.
When I started this version of my comic, I started it in traditional page format. I first tried uploading traditional pages to Webtoon but as you pointed out, they were difficult to read on a phone. I later reformatted pages into vertical scroll format. This made it easier to read on Webtoon but I had difficulty doing this with certain panels such as spreads or panels with panel breaks, etc... However I still think it must be much easier to go from page format to vertical scroll than vice versa. The only other issue I ran into was that I was never fully able to take advantage of the vertical scroll format. I never had the kinds of cool long scrolling panels you frequently see on Webtoon. I recently started working in Webtoon format. It's difficult and I don't think there is a one size fits all solution for people. You have to find what works for you.
Very true. I know I have a hard time switching gears from composing print pages and then having to switch to webtoon scroll. Each is its own type of magic.
Hey Walter, at first I was really, I mean really inspired by the webtoon format... In a way. I still like it and will probably use it in the future. But I really kinda "miss" the classic format, I'm grown up with. And even when my Sis and I started "Oceans tale" on Webtoon, we finally figured to traditional. It's definitely more a decision of the heart. Getting from Webtoon to page format might be harder, but it kinda worked as well. Merry late Christmas! (oh well, I think everyone who do comics should read at least once Scott McCloud.)
Same, I prefer moving from print to webtoon format bc planning spreads is so much harder for me than planning panels on an infinite scroll. Get the harder part out of the way first 😭✌️
Perfect timing for this video! I'm planning my comic and experimenting with both options, and this video helps me sort out which I prefer. Great work : D
I have three webtoon canvas comics (two finished, one ongoing) and I've done it both ways--page first converted to webtoon, webtoon first converted to page--and have decided for me I definitely prefer the page first approach. But I'm glad I tried both methods at least once! I'd suggest doing a few short projects and using a different method with each of them to find out what works best for you. (Which is also good for testing the sustainability of art/coloring styles before you commit to your thousand-page comic epic!) 😉
Both would take a lot of work, at least making them with the storytelling native to each platform. Webtoon to comics is necessarily 1-to-1. Of course, there's no reason not to draw a webtoon and then convert to print, or vice versa, that's just smart. That's why I did the videos on how to convert from one to the other...webtoon to print will be out next week and then the following week for print to webtoon.
@@walterostlie Print to webtoon conversion is....intriguing. I currently I suck at digital painting tools at this moment and may need more training. Your future videos on this matter is well-needed.
Definitely print first. I can't imagine laying out any story for an infinite canvas. The removal of the constraint of space makes you lazy when it comes to doing visual composition.
Dang I love your videos. It seems like when I’m trying to figure something out you have made a video or made one that comes out at the right time. Thanks. Keep on giving us that good good stuff.
I started out as a print creator and have now embraced webcomics, however I am also still using the traditional page layout. I'm going to experiment with a scrolling format in an upcoming project using Choppy (I think that's what it's called) but I'm mostly planning to stick with traditional layouts for easy conversion to printing so I can have stuff for sale at cons. That said, I love webcomics. You can hypothetically extend your readership to anywhere in the world. I've got readers from the EU and Scandinavia, Australia, Canada, Israel... it's cool to have that kind of reach, and it just couldn't be done in print-only format.
I've been wondering why no one's tried printing vertical comics as tall flipbooks. Basically picture a very widescreen-esque book that you turn on its side, then read vertically. I'm going to guess the main roadblock is it would be a new / unique format, which would cost extra with the publisher (or the publisher may just not have custom options period).
Non-traditional print sizes are always tough. I know some books have that have done a wide horizontal format and it's a little cumbersome to read, also it doesn't always sit correctly on a bookshelf. I could see vertical layout having the same problem. Even then it would still be a little tricky to make it work 100%, because there's potential for a lot of dead empty gutter space if your panels aren't perfectly sized/spaced. Not saying it can't be done, just that it would have some potential pain points.
OK, thanks Mr Walter!.. and welcome back 🤗🌹 But l have question.. Can I upload my comics on "webtoon" app and "Bilibili comics" app at the same time!? Or webtoon app and another app?
As long as you don't become an Webtoon Original and sign a contract where they pay you money, you can post your comic wherever you want. If someone tells you that you need to be exclusive on their app/site, but won't pay you any money, walk away.
@@walterostlie oh! Really!😲 Thank you for advising me. I'll always follow what you tell me, it's good that I have someone who has experience in this field. I count on you, you're a great helper to me! Please stay happy and safe always Mr Walter🤗🌹
I love print format for drawing as it gives me nostalgia of all the manga I've read n loved, but I do want to post webtoon. Will be waiting for your videos on how to convert print to webtoon format. ( I've tried myself but feels like my way is inefficient n not optimised 😖)
A few questions here...some background on it, I've been working on a skeleton script as well as working on my art style using the graphic tablet so that's a change. I've completed 12 episodes in the skeleton with 40 or more panels. How many episodes would you recommend in a season/chapter? What is the recommended panel amount for print? I'm looking to launch it through patreon, but unsure of what to start posting teasers. Ideally I will begin posting once the season 1 is done and I can Skelton up season 2, and plan was to post bi-weekly and have at least 26 episodes in the season. So I guess the question would be, if patreon is the place your posting What advice would you give to go on which social media platform to advertise and give teasers to your comic and how often?
I don't think there's a perfect amount of episodes/season. It depends on how you're telling your story, the pacing, and how much time you'll take off between seasons. You need the right amount of episodes to tell a story that will somehow make your reader's satiated and that's going to be really specific to your story and your readers. There's nothing to say you can't change as you go. It doesn't have to be perfect out of the gate. Print comics usually have 4-8 panels per page, usually 5, but that isn't any kind of strong rule. Most graphic novels have 96 to 120, but that varies a lot as well. Some European comics have 60 pages, most mangas have around 200 pages. As for posting schedule that can also be tricky. At least once a weak for social teasing, daily could be overboard. You really have to play around, make some mistakes, and learn. I know that's not super helpful to hear.
I am planning to publish webtoon format first to build an audience. Then make a print version for myself or anyone that wants to read it in print also.
Can it not be both though, I only have one example in mind but Solo Leveling is a webtoon format comic on tappytoon that later started printing physical copies. Obviously, I would say to choose one, finish it and then convert it over to the other if you wanted to.
I am really conflicted about this right now... My heart belongs to print comics... But if I want to make it with webcomics, I might be forced to use some kind of Webtoon style... I am looking for some kind of compromise!
Update: I have found one! I keep drawing the storyboard in the Printstyle. Then I drag the storyboard out to Webtoon style, and this way I could theoretically rearrange the toonstyle back into the Print form when I need it. Of course I will draw the lineart in vector, and this way even the webtoon format keeps some of the Print style aspects.
Walter I got a question and its really bugging me. 1. Why did solo leveling got anime? 2. Why not other good manhwa or comics didn't get?(e.g TBATE, Eleceed, windbreaker etc) It will be really helpful if you take your time and answer this questions I know i said one but well why not 2😅
Several reasons and none of them are simple mathematical equations. 1+1 isn't always 2 with entertainment and media. A few reasons could be popularity, audience demographics, how easily the story can be translated to anime/movie/tv/etc, how good the media agents areat their jobs, what people are willing to pay, what rights they're willing to give up, contacts. I'm sure there's more. Also, just because they don't have an anime yet, doesn't mean they won't. These types of agreements can take years to finalize. I wouldn't worry about it too much, there is no one answer and you'll just drive yourself crazy.
I'm doing print format. I really hope to physically hold my very own comic in my hands and sell it at a convention someday 😊
It's a great feeling to hold a physical copy of something you created, not gonna lie.
@Walter Ostlie
Exactly! Ive learned quickly that making comics is a lot of work. Fantasizing about getting fans & a following of something you created is great and all, but I just really want to tackle a big project that I can be proud of. Whether it's a success or not.
On the special webtoon panels, one thing I love about the webtoon format is the potential to use the scroll function to tell the story. Like transitioning sky colors to convey passage of time or using the scroll to hammer the distance a character fell or using the space to ramp up a big attack
Yep. I did something with my very first episode that just hits different scrolling vs seeing in print. It's definitely seems easier to convert from print to webtoon than vice versa, but you can't get those sweet scrolling shots if you do it that way.
My first love has always been to have my stories printed because I grew up reading physical books; it's my favorite past time I still enjoy. Reading traditional comics is fun as well; although that's endgame for me, I am going to test the waters with the scrolling method because it's interesting. Using both methods is good, but as I mentioned my preferred is the traditional format....something about that format just makes me so comfortable.
I hope one day you'd do a video on POD companies when it comes to having comics printed; I know about Amazon and Barnes and Noble, but I wonder if there are others out there, especially for people who can't (at the moment) afford to have books printed out to sell at conventions.
I think creating a webcomic is good for those starting out; it's a great way to get your name out there, to show people the kind of stories you'll put out there when you have your stories printed and ready for sale. That's why I chose this route.
Print format is the only way for me. There's so much more opportunity for interplay between the panels. Each page is characterized by its own composition. It allows for more creativity, as I've seen. I also prefer to read on my laptop and not my phone, and I don't mind zooming in on my phone anyway. And I'd argue most print pages just cannot be chopped up and reformatted. I don't want to turn away readers, but maybe I'm just old fashioned! I've often wanted to zoom OUT of infinite scroll comics because the font is too big and the art too crude, but you can't do that on a phone.
I've always felt that the end goal of making comics is to hold a printed version of it where you can appreciate the fine mark-making up close and feel and smell the paper and anticipate the page turns. It's satisfying to just own a physical book of the stories I like. It's all a part of what I consider the superior reading experience. As much as I want to make my own webcomic, it's a stepping stone to get it printed.
When I started this version of my comic, I started it in traditional page format. I first tried uploading traditional pages to Webtoon but as you pointed out, they were difficult to read on a phone.
I later reformatted pages into vertical scroll format. This made it easier to read on Webtoon but I had difficulty doing this with certain panels such as spreads or panels with panel breaks, etc... However I still think it must be much easier to go from page format to vertical scroll than vice versa.
The only other issue I ran into was that I was never fully able to take advantage of the vertical scroll format. I never had the kinds of cool long scrolling panels you frequently see on Webtoon. I recently started working in Webtoon format. It's difficult and I don't think there is a one size fits all solution for people. You have to find what works for you.
Very true. I know I have a hard time switching gears from composing print pages and then having to switch to webtoon scroll. Each is its own type of magic.
I always read comics on my tablet, print format looks so much nicer there.
Hey Walter, at first I was really, I mean really inspired by the webtoon format... In a way. I still like it and will probably use it in the future. But I really kinda "miss" the classic format, I'm grown up with. And even when my Sis and I started "Oceans tale" on Webtoon, we finally figured to traditional. It's definitely more a decision of the heart. Getting from Webtoon to page format might be harder, but it kinda worked as well. Merry late Christmas!
(oh well, I think everyone who do comics should read at least once Scott McCloud.)
This is my most anticipated video from you. You just saved me so much time doing this. Thank you. 😭
Same, I prefer moving from print to webtoon format bc planning spreads is so much harder for me than planning panels on an infinite scroll. Get the harder part out of the way first 😭✌️
Perfect timing for this video! I'm planning my comic and experimenting with both options, and this video helps me sort out which I prefer. Great work : D
This is real Synergy here! I literally am at this sa,e cross roads. I'm developing a a hybrid of both for ease of composition and layout
I have three webtoon canvas comics (two finished, one ongoing) and I've done it both ways--page first converted to webtoon, webtoon first converted to page--and have decided for me I definitely prefer the page first approach. But I'm glad I tried both methods at least once! I'd suggest doing a few short projects and using a different method with each of them to find out what works best for you. (Which is also good for testing the sustainability of art/coloring styles before you commit to your thousand-page comic epic!) 😉
Why not both?
Also, good on ye bringing up Scott McCloud.
He predicted the future of webtoons through his Infinite Canvas idea.
Both would take a lot of work, at least making them with the storytelling native to each platform. Webtoon to comics is necessarily 1-to-1. Of course, there's no reason not to draw a webtoon and then convert to print, or vice versa, that's just smart. That's why I did the videos on how to convert from one to the other...webtoon to print will be out next week and then the following week for print to webtoon.
@@walterostlie Print to webtoon conversion is....intriguing. I currently I suck at digital painting tools at this moment and may need more training. Your future videos on this matter is well-needed.
Definitely print first. I can't imagine laying out any story for an infinite canvas. The removal of the constraint of space makes you lazy when it comes to doing visual composition.
you are a blessing to so many people! thanks for all that you do.
Dang I love your videos. It seems like when I’m trying to figure something out you have made a video or made one that comes out at the right time. Thanks. Keep on giving us that good good stuff.
I started out as a print creator and have now embraced webcomics, however I am also still using the traditional page layout. I'm going to experiment with a scrolling format in an upcoming project using Choppy (I think that's what it's called) but I'm mostly planning to stick with traditional layouts for easy conversion to printing so I can have stuff for sale at cons.
That said, I love webcomics. You can hypothetically extend your readership to anywhere in the world. I've got readers from the EU and Scandinavia, Australia, Canada, Israel... it's cool to have that kind of reach, and it just couldn't be done in print-only format.
I've been wondering why no one's tried printing vertical comics as tall flipbooks. Basically picture a very widescreen-esque book that you turn on its side, then read vertically. I'm going to guess the main roadblock is it would be a new / unique format, which would cost extra with the publisher (or the publisher may just not have custom options period).
Non-traditional print sizes are always tough. I know some books have that have done a wide horizontal format and it's a little cumbersome to read, also it doesn't always sit correctly on a bookshelf. I could see vertical layout having the same problem. Even then it would still be a little tricky to make it work 100%, because there's potential for a lot of dead empty gutter space if your panels aren't perfectly sized/spaced. Not saying it can't be done, just that it would have some potential pain points.
okay.. But that Bookshelf in the Background tho... It's pretty fire and I want one.
Hah, thanks. Think I got it on Wayfair.
I love your input and advice!
OK, thanks Mr Walter!.. and welcome back 🤗🌹
But l have question..
Can I upload my comics on "webtoon" app and "Bilibili comics" app at the same time!? Or webtoon app and another app?
As long as you don't become an Webtoon Original and sign a contract where they pay you money, you can post your comic wherever you want. If someone tells you that you need to be exclusive on their app/site, but won't pay you any money, walk away.
@@walterostlie oh! Really!😲
Thank you for advising me. I'll always follow what you tell me, it's good that I have someone who has experience in this field. I count on you, you're a great helper to me!
Please stay happy and safe always Mr Walter🤗🌹
I love print format for drawing as it gives me nostalgia of all the manga I've read n loved, but I do want to post webtoon. Will be waiting for your videos on how to convert print to webtoon format.
( I've tried myself but feels like my way is inefficient n not optimised 😖)
A few questions here...some background on it, I've been working on a skeleton script as well as working on my art style using the graphic tablet so that's a change. I've completed 12 episodes in the skeleton with 40 or more panels.
How many episodes would you recommend in a season/chapter?
What is the recommended panel amount for print?
I'm looking to launch it through patreon, but unsure of what to start posting teasers. Ideally I will begin posting once the season 1 is done and I can Skelton up season 2, and plan was to post bi-weekly and have at least 26 episodes in the season. So I guess the question would be, if patreon is the place your posting What advice would you give to go on which social media platform to advertise and give teasers to your comic and how often?
I don't think there's a perfect amount of episodes/season. It depends on how you're telling your story, the pacing, and how much time you'll take off between seasons.
You need the right amount of episodes to tell a story that will somehow make your reader's satiated and that's going to be really specific to your story and your readers. There's nothing to say you can't change as you go. It doesn't have to be perfect out of the gate.
Print comics usually have 4-8 panels per page, usually 5, but that isn't any kind of strong rule. Most graphic novels have 96 to 120, but that varies a lot as well. Some European comics have 60 pages, most mangas have around 200 pages.
As for posting schedule that can also be tricky. At least once a weak for social teasing, daily could be overboard. You really have to play around, make some mistakes, and learn. I know that's not super helpful to hear.
I am planning to publish webtoon format first to build an audience. Then make a print version for myself or anyone that wants to read it in print also.
Can it not be both though, I only have one example in mind but Solo Leveling is a webtoon format comic on tappytoon that later started printing physical copies. Obviously, I would say to choose one, finish it and then convert it over to the other if you wanted to.
That's the point I made in the video. But both formats have their own storytelling techniques, so you sorta have to start with one and then convert.
I am really conflicted about this right now... My heart belongs to print comics... But if I want to make it with webcomics, I might be forced to use some kind of Webtoon style... I am looking for some kind of compromise!
Update: I have found one!
I keep drawing the storyboard in the Printstyle. Then I drag the storyboard out to Webtoon style, and this way I could theoretically rearrange the toonstyle back into the Print form when I need it. Of course I will draw the lineart in vector, and this way even the webtoon format keeps some of the Print style aspects.
Walter I got a question and its really bugging me.
1. Why did solo leveling got anime?
2. Why not other good manhwa or comics didn't get?(e.g TBATE, Eleceed, windbreaker etc)
It will be really helpful if you take your time and answer this questions I know i said one but well why not 2😅
Several reasons and none of them are simple mathematical equations. 1+1 isn't always 2 with entertainment and media. A few reasons could be popularity, audience demographics, how easily the story can be translated to anime/movie/tv/etc, how good the media agents areat their jobs, what people are willing to pay, what rights they're willing to give up, contacts. I'm sure there's more. Also, just because they don't have an anime yet, doesn't mean they won't. These types of agreements can take years to finalize. I wouldn't worry about it too much, there is no one answer and you'll just drive yourself crazy.
Noot Noot
Idk if you blocked me or something but I just stopped receiving notifications from you for over a year now.
RUclips does weird stuff. Glad you're here now though. I haven't blocked anyone on RUclips as far as I know :-)
@@walterostlie cool