Panasonic GH5 | 4K Test Footage (10-bit 4:2:2 vs 8-bit 4:2:0)
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
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10-bit color depth is essential when we want to make chromas as it allows there to be no small edges of color around our subjects, also when we want to make an aggressive and very deep color gradation it is essential to record at 10 bits but I personally believe that exposing correctly is much more important especially in 8 bits and if it shows colonization it will not be so aggressive it is not worth the complications involved in recording at 10 bits. By the way lumix s5 is an amazing beast for video.
8 bit seems like more than enough color. Great video i love it 😍
It’s like full-frame vs crop sensor in daylight. You can’t tell the difference, but come low-light/nighttime the color grading differences are much different!
This was a great demo. Thanks for pointing out the workaround for the continuous autofocus issue of the GH5. It does take some beautiful video.
+Cactus Tweeter Thanks for watching! Hopefully they come out with a firmware that improves AF!
Imagine 10 bit & 8 bit like a box of crayons: in the 8 bit box you have 256 colors. In the 10 bit box you have 1024. Look at 12 bit vs 8 bit and the difference would be far more noticeable, even on an 8 bit screen. 10 bit vs 8 bit might be a technical difference in most applications, but there is definitely a difference.
+Charlie Doom That's probably the BEST analogy to describe 10-bit vs 8-bit!
The one place it makes a real difference is in editing. I have so much more latitude for keying and grading with 10+ bit footage which makes for a better output even at lower quality on an 8-bit display. Same with the chroma subssampling. It's minor when comparing native footage side by side, but the differences pop when working in post.
Yep!
@@SidneyDiongzon The biggest difference I see is that in the beginning it can't keep focus at 8 bit.
Perfectly summarized,@@thequantaleaper!
8-bit 4K @ 60 looks pretty good 2 me. Great vid. Thx!
Yeah, I think so too! And thanks for the love and support on my channel!
This camera still slaps for its price.
Cool footage, Yeah the only way you'll be able to tell the difference between the 8 bit and 10 bit is in post. You have more freedom to pull in more detail from your highlights and shadows on 10 bit essentially making it look a lot better. I recently picked up this camera along with a speedbooster and sigma 18-35.
+Steve Guinto yep! You're 100% right!
They all look amazingly good!
+Sabrina Araújo Yes, thank you!
The take-a-way is the amazing job Panasonic is doing .. AMAZING!! Looking forward to the new firmware with both 400Mbs AND an HDR gamma or profile of some kind on the GH5. Ive seen all the HDR standards in LA studio environments and its jaw dropping. Thats where 10-bit will pay off for the masses. We may care about 10 bit in the SDR environment for grading and such, but your audience won't ever tell the difference. HDR is a whole other deal. When you see that on a $30,000 DOLBY display this kind of thing won't seem important in the least. Im interested in seeing what the next firmware update will grade liken on a 10 bit P3 color monitor. I can't afford a 20k-30k production monitor yet "grin".
+Clayton Moore Yep, you're totally spot on!
Looks awesome, thanks a lot. I don't know if I will be able to manage with the bad AF performance, I don't know if AFF mode with half shutter button press mode will be ok for the types of handheld videos that I do.. You weren't interested in the 12-60 Leica?
+Charbax Hopefully Panasonic will come out with a firmware that'll fix the AF. As far as the lens, that was the only available to use, lol.
I'm so glad you used the 12-35. Looks great and I wanted to get this one!
Glad this was helpful!
Was gonna ask. Such a versatile and sharp lens.
The colours seem slightly richer in 10 bit and overall the picture seems seem sharper or more defined in 10 bit (unless the 10 bit was graded differently from the 8 bit footage).
+David Morrah Yep! And you're right, just slightly
Looks good, Panasonic is killing it!
Thanks! Yes they are!
I don't know the difference between the two. The only one thing I know clearly is the model is so beautiful.
+ohnnydepp That's actually a good thing. 10-bit footage at 150MB/a has a lot of compression, so there's not too much difference with 8-bit footage. But once the 400MB firmware update comes out, you should start to see the difference!
When you capture the sunrise or sunset videos with 8-bit 4:2:0 and 10-bit 4:2:2, you will see the visual differences. 😳
For sure! Banding for days!
In order for video cameras to get the best images with accurate colors by the changing lightings from *very low to low to high to very high lights* with high color HDR with 10 bit for over 1 billion colors which is better than 8bit for 16.7 million colors.
It's the same comparison for us to see NO difference of the low quality and high quality videos on the small screen like the smart phone, but you see the BIG differences in quality on very big screen of 55" or bigger. It's the same comparison for 8-bit vs 10-bit videos on small screen vs. very large screen or see much more differences on the huge *4k TV HDR.* You want to see the quality of your original footage or compressed video on youtube?
Great test. Thanks for the write-up too. It's amazing how this high resolution reveals all of the talent's flaws in portrait shots. You kind of miss the mushy Canon 1080 sometimes...
Thanks! Yeah, 4K does have trade offs.
Thanks, I can't see the difference in image quality. Can you?
+Marie Lou 3M Both look exactly the same to me too!
Marie Lou 3M it's the RUclips compression of the 10 bit to 8 bit 420 I think . On his screen he will see a perceptual difference .
It’s more apparent with low-light scenarios.
Impressive, the colors look like Canon! How do you achieve that? Do you have a lut for that? And camera settings? Thanks
fantastic demo- thanks for sharing! so did you still give up your GH5 for the Sony A7RII or you have both?
I borrow the GH5 to help me film, but I don’t need it anymore because I have the a7R3!!
Hi lovely video. Did you switch out the gh5 for the a7iii?
Merci pour ce comparatif !
Pas trop vu de différence
Faute à RUclips ??
Sidney, the image quality is breathtaking. I never knew the GH5 had such good image quality. Question - I love the effect your LUT has here on Cine-V profile in this video. It actually makes the model and lighting look so natural. On your LUTs tutorial video, the LUT created a bit of a grunge look, VERY different than the effect the same LUT had on the GH5 Cine V on this video. Is this because this LUT has a different effect depending on the camera? Also, did you dial down the contrast, saturation etc on Cine V, and if so how much did you tweak each setting by?
That's exactly right! You can always dial down the LUT depending on what kind of effect you're going for. For my FILM JOURNALS, I like to keep it somewhat "faded" because I like the "documentary" effect on it. For commercial work, I wouldn't fade it at all. For Cine V, I didn't do any tweaking at all. Hope this helps and thanks for watching my channel!
The difference is subtle.
Is the screen of GH5 made for 8 bit or 10bit HDR since GH5 supports 4k 10bit? I know that the latest iMac 4k and 5k with screens support 10bit HDR or 30bits RGB.
If it wouldn't say which is which... I wouldn't notice. Not to say normal people with no video experience! Keeping in mind how much more heavy it's to edit the 422 10bit, I will stay in 420 8bit unless recording chroma. Great example video, thanks for sharing!
Excellent Sidney
What lense did you used please
If you do the math, 10 bit 422 requires about 560mbps. At 400mbps there should be a noticeable difference; at 150mbps there's no difference to 8bit. Even for grading.
People see what they want to see...
True, but there is actually a difference. Not much. But there is especially when you bring down the highlights in the sky. Much less banding than 8-bit footage. With the 400mb/s update, I'm sure there'll be even more of a difference.
Sidney Diongzon no not with banding of the sky. 4k fixes a lot of banding issues alone. Don’t use vlog with 8 bit and the sky will not fall apart because you’re trying to put back and extend the colors you rejected to begin with.
Why was there no 8 Bit at 24 fps. That's what I wanted to see. The reason I ask is because I had my camera set to 10 bit 4:2:2 but all of my Storyblocks B-Roll stuff is 8 Bit 4:2:0. I was thinking I might as well just change my camera to the same 8 Bit 4:2:0 to match my B-Roll footage. It's for a RUclips music video. Thanks for the video though. P.S. I will do minimal color grading if any.
this is excellent! 10bit 422 registers the blacks better the way i see it...more info to work with in VLOG specially when everyone is cramming base luts then garbage "creative" luts into it crushing the blacks into oblivion! looking to get the new ninja V with HLG HDR workflow on the gh5s
I agree!
I see no different to 8 or 10bit on fullhd tv
Nice work... Very beautiful. What SD Card did you use to film at 400mbs?
This was filmed earlier this year before the 400Mbps update came. But the SD card I used was the Sandisk 64GB U3 280MB/s. thanks for watching!
Sidney Diongzon , thanks. And for the 400mbs recording, have you use any other card? I have been reading that a lot of cards crush/stop recorded due to limitation.
I actually haven't updated the GH5 yet, lol. I'll have to try that out soon!
Sidney, thank you for great comparison. You've shooted it on Panasonic GH5 but the link you gave to watch gear you use in Amazon store doesn't have GH5. Only two types of Sony. Can You please explain why? Do you preffer Sony to Panasonic now?
This was an old video, and yes I am a Sony shooter
And let's be honest .... no layman sees the difference .... at least on You Tube
+zeus9931 Yep, totally agree.
Makes you wonder: since most content these days is viewed on SOME sort of streaming service, WHY ARE WE SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON QUALITY GEAR??? I feel like a CRACKHEAD sometimes LUSTING after these expensive cameras (C500 mkii, Arri Alexa Mini LF, etc) and lenses ... KNOWING people aren't gonna notice 'cause it's so compressed when it's streamed. Hell, the average person doesn't even CARE much about how beautiful the picture is like they do about the quality of the audio ... it SUX. But I guess we need to concentrate on what's REALLY important to the audience, right? STORY.
@@buckwilde1511 Agreed! This is all marketing and what marketers do to hype the consumer that bigger and better is needed.
I film wedding videos, should I film in 8bit so I can film for longer or should I buy more SD cards and film 10 bit? Thanks
As long you're well exposed, the difference is so minimal.
hi, i know it's not the point , and by the way , very nice video , but did you denoise the footage?
+Downgrade Entertainment Nope, I don't have a denoiser plugin, lol. Thanks for watching!
thanks a lot !
Très joli modèle!
+Coco Ly Yes she is! Thank you!
Looks like sometimes lower quality video appears better because a lot of the flaws are camouflaged.
Not gonna lie, Brides that I film would not like to see this much detail in their face... You it's like taking a microscope to their acne..
Funny. All the brides I filmed loved seeing eyes close up
Eyes are one thing. zits are another.
If you could get another lens besides the 12-35mm for the gh5, what would it be?
+Alexander Do Probably the Sigma 18-35mm!
Why didn't you bought immediately the sigma 18-35 mm instead of the lumix 12-35 if i may ask.
+Oligar da Paz It wasn't available at the time. All the store had was the 12-35
What was the color profile and white balance settings?
Is this 12-35mm lens mark 1 or mark 2?
+Zohair Habssaya Mark 2!
Was going to ask the same - thank You for the test, I'm leaning towards the GH5 after watching this video. AF is not a big deal since You almost never use it in pro filmmaking.
Very true. You're gonna love the GH5!
Is there a difference between the shots?
+codetap Yeah, just look at the text on the bottom of the screen!
They are really close!!!!
Yep!
Maximum beauty
Thanks so much!
Hey dude, great comparison video. Just wondered how you keep noise to a minimum especially in shadows and blacks when filming 4k 10bit. Been having issues with mine even after over-exposing by a stop and keep the ISO native at 400! Do you denoise in post a lot or try to do it all in cam? Any points would be much appreciated!
Good question, can You answer to us please?
10bit looks softer?
+FILMANDGAMES No, 10-bit gives you more detail especially in highlights and color.
@@SidneyDiongzon so as in shadow.Thank you for your great video
Why go for so much glare? It ruins the chance to compare skin tones with its washout effect.
+ibec69 I shot for the results I wanted, and by that I love having flares in my shots! There are tons of other videos out there that focus on skin tone, so hopefully you can find some videos that help you out!
Sidney Diongzon thanks for the reply. It's your video man, so you do whatever you've got to do. Mine was just a humble comment. Thank you for your effort for the demonstration.
Sid do u stil have the gh5 now? Coz i know u use mostly sony
I borrow the GH5 every now and then, but I mainly shoot on Sony cameras
What setting do you use for video dude? No-one can seem to help me :(
People seem to use video manual mode on the gH5 but you don't have the autofocus features I that mode.
+Sean Howley I plan to do a video on that soon!
Ledge! Only found your channel today and subscribed. I don't often .message on here but your the first to respond so I appreciate that .
+Sean Howley So glad you subscribed! I really love interacting with this community!
My pleasure man. I recently shot 3 short 1min films with the gh5 so if you have 3 mins check them out! :)
+Sean Howley For sure! I'll check them out today!
The only thing I noticed between the two images is the hair. Hair definition suffers in 8bit.
cine d?
What lense you use in this video?
+Vitor Costa It's in the description of the video.
@@SidneyDiongzon Actually, it isn't.
Most people are watching your RUclips clip on the 8 bit screen computers, it is difficult to see the differences. The screen on GH5 is 8-bit screen, not 10-bit screen. People can see the differences if they have 10 bit screens such as 10 bit 4k TV or the latest iMac 4k or 5k 10-bit screen. 😎
Totally agree.
I see the 10bit videos on the screen iPhone 7S Plus (supports 10bit color depth) is *far better* than the 10bit videos on the 8bit screen iPhone 6S Plus. 😎 😍
Sidney Diongzon, Does the screen of GH5 support 8bit or 10bit color depth?
+Xi Le Probably 8-bit
I'm watching it on the late 2015 iMac 5K and You can def tell the difference - outstanding!
RUclips let me watch this in 144p :-)
hardly any difference with naked eye- or for a viewer who is watching a film, doesn't care which one it is, because it's the content which mattes :)
is this just a technical hype on 10bit isee no difference with the 8bit..
+Justin Sison They both looked pretty similar when I was editing. The 400MB/s update should make a huge difference because there'll be much less compression.
I still have not got the whole point of the 10bit part i mean beings all the video on youtube is only 8 bit anyway. is it really possible to look different at all once you put it on youtube?
It just helps with color grading. More data to work with
We can only see the difference while colour grading or applying luts..
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Will the GH5 replace your a6500?
+Dj Almanza Not sure yet. Testing out more stuff and I'll make a decision soon!
And? which camera have you chosen?
The Sony a6500. Much easier to use, and much better for photography.
Sidney Diongzon oh really better for photography? Why that? Because I am going to buy one of the two but don't know which one is better
I wanna do music videos run and gun shooting and also a big aspect is photography and I wanna use native lenses. I do really like the handling of the gh5 thought
+Nicolai Blume Yeah, I'd go with a Sony if you want to do photography too. They've got some pretty awesome native lenses too.
There is no such thing like 10 bit here on RUclips,what in the world people 🤣
If you dont have an 10 bit color monitor you would never see a difference lol
+Nicolás Bañales Yep! 100% right!
Actually, that's not entirely true. With 10bit color you get more possible gradations of each color which then can translate to less banding when displayed on a normal (8 bit) monitor. Having 1024 possible shades of each color channel will translate to smoother gradations and more accurate colors in the 8 bit color space conversion.
I mean first of all why shooting in 420 8 bits since nowadays you can go up to 12 bits in 420. 422 will always be 8 or 10 bits and never higher at least for gaming industry.🙄
Why slow mo 60p? It's far from comparison...
It's a 4K test footage video. The GH5 shoots 4K both in 24fps and 60fps.
Would be nice to see same picture(head to head) 4k30p 10-bit 4:2:2 vs 4k60p 8-bit 4:2:0
Feel free to make your own review! I'll be looking out for it!
It might be GH6 at that time :D
im the model in the video