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@@robertgronewold3326 Yeah one generation early in the game that had too many legendary trios. I wish they had the balls to retcon them as Kalos mons it would make both regions better
They typing didn't annoy me but for some people its understandable...i started pokemon since Unova....tepig was my starter....so nostalgia holds hard for Emboar....he looks like Endeavor from My Hero...I loved his Design in my hero...yeah stars aline
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Remember Infernape was in the same generation as Arceus who is basically the God of pokemon who takes inspirations from the Buddha due to the reference of his 1000 arms.
Nah man, they're happy when 1 or 2 fire fighters show up, but once there's 3 or more firefighters in a row, well, at that point you basically know that everything has gone up in flames!
@@machina5 No I know, it's not a critique on actual firefighters, God Bless them, it's a jab at how everything was fine when it was JUST Infernape after Blaziken (since Infernape was infinitely better AND cooler AND had a better story arc in the anime anyway), but it suddenly became unforgivable once Emboar came around. And to be fair, even though I don't CARE to that degree, I can agree that it's a little disappointingly excessive to have 3 same type starters in a row, but then you realize there's a lot of same type starters, just not in a row. Most of the Water are PURE Water, many of the Grass are PURE Grass, and FIRE is the least guilty having only like 2 Pure Fire spread apart like 6 Generations (1 of which is IN SPIRIT thanks to Libero essentially a Fire or Fighting as well due to High Jump Kick, but I won't open that can of worms).
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I was annoyed by Emboar for that one reason when it came out and instantly dismissed it as my starter, but now that time has passed and I actually looked at it on it's own merits and not as "ugh third fire fighting in a row" I realize how misguided that was. It's one of my favorite starters now
Yea, honestly i hate how people hate on Emboar because it is Fire Fighting even though it is only similar to the first two in type alone. And sharing some design elements with infernape
Very much agree with this, people saying Infernape was one two many need to realize that before we already had 2 mono water types in a row (gen 1 and gen 2) and 2 mono grass types in a row (gen 2 and gen 3)
@@dinoshotgun mono starters are different, though. They ARE the starter types, it's not stale to do that again, but you expect variety with the secondary types.
@@galarstar052 except it is stale to keep them mono for multiple generations in a row, and to be fair we’ve only had mono type repeats twice (the grass and water ones I mentioned previously), I’m just saying, doing the same thing multiple times in a row (in terms of typing) gets stale fast
@@galarstar052 I would prefer them repeating extra types rather than none at all. In gen 5, Emboar was the only one to get and extra type, which is stupid, and I would've loved to see Blastoise, the gen 2 starters, and gen 8 starters get extra types as well
I've never really got the gripe people have with the amount of Fire/Fighting starters. 3 of them is too much, yet having just as many mono-Grass starters within those first 5 Gens (and now 1 more overall thanks to Rillaboon) is okay?
Yeah cause mono makes more sense for starters as their first forms are always mono. Introducing 3 starters in a row with the same type combination just seems dull cause why add the same second type.
@@wood-lee1832 "first forms are always mono" Guessing you're forgetting Bulbasaur and Rowlet exist. The (highly subjective) dullness comment is also hypocritical when the same can be applied to monotype starters with the lone type denying them the advantages they may have over other grass, fire and water type options in the region beyond the equally bland perk of possibly better stats. The comment of "it makes more sense" can equally be reversed when it comes to the fire/fighting starters with their designs and origins, with Blaziken being based on a fighting chicken, Infernape being based on Sun Wukong and Emboar being based on Zhu Bajie, of which not having the fighting type for would make far less sense.
@@wood-lee1832 Again, a subjective thing such as what people find repetitive is not only something that can be turned on its head for reasons I've already gone over but is usually a case that ignores the reasons as to why these type combinations were used. The argument of "it's dull" is not a valid one when speaking of their functionality, especially when one could apply it to the more basic nature of mono-types (and, unlike the dullness complaint, would actually have a leg to stand on when criticising them from an objective standpoint of function). Furthermore, you said "why add the same second type" and I provided the answer as to why;
For me at least, the difference is timing. With Mono Grass, we had Grass/Ground in between Sceptile and Serperior. Which led into 2 gens with dual type Grass starters before Rillaboom. I wish some of the Mono grass types had more interesting type combos (Rillaboom especially), but they were at least spaced out. With Fire Fighting, we got them 3 gens in a row with no break. it's a more unique typing then mono grass for sure, and I've used more of Fire/Fighting crew because of it, but the point still stands. I wish they were spaced out.
@@mestre12 also to be fair, with Incineroar especially, both of the latter two Pokémon there look like they were intended to be Fire/Fighting but at the last second they changed the typing for PR. It’s really just Delphox as an exception.
11:20 I’m pretty sure the dual Typings were all meant to combat one another: Torterra has Earthquake for both Infernape and Empoleon. However, it no longer resists Empoleon’s Water-Type moves. Infernape has Fire-Type moves against Torterra, and Fighting-Type moves against Empoleon. Empoleon would probably be the “oddball” of the group, though it’s dual Typing means it no longer resists Infernape’s Fire-Type moves, and it’s no longer weak to Torterra’s Grass-Type moves (although it is weak to its Ground-Type moves). However, Torterra is 4x weak to Ice-Type moves, which Empoleon can learn (obviously without STAB bonus, but that would probably be too powerful otherwise). Of course, it still has Water-Type moves for Infernape.
@Lucas Hutchinson the 5th member of the squad including a shape-shifting dragon that for whatever reason is always just a horse, but yeah wujing is a river demon and pretty cool
Wasn't he a kappa-like creature? Or at least a fish? I remember him being a bit more water-related. Which confused me when they started building up that pattern, b/c how would a Fire/Fighting kappa/fish work? But then they went w/ a fox and everyone's wild mass guesses were subverted. ...Or maybe Blaziken was the kappa b/c it has a beak?
@@emerfirek he was a sort of water spirit, the Kappa part comes from the Japanese retelling since "strong water spirit" usually means "lets make it look like a Kappa" to Japanese writers. as far as i know there is no definitive look for him
So I was watching Disney movies and watched Lilo and Stitch and then the thought came to me “What if someone took all of the experiments from the movies and put them in Pokémon type groups”
Honestly I feel like Infernape also takes a lot of inspiration from the Hindu god/diety Hanuman. I'm not denying that it's based on Sun Wukong, but I feel like it still takes a lot of inspiration from Hanuman
@@RonaldDotCa Im going out on a limb, but fairy fits better. Fairies are supposed to be beings of no evil, right? So Water/Fairy based off of fire fighters would work. Water/Fighting would work just as good, and its a unused starter typing. Water/Steel has already been used but it could be like a fire truck Water/Steel type.
Fire/Fighting as a type combo does serve a pretty unique purpose for Combusken and Monferno specifically: in their respective games, the first gym leaders both use Rock types. Giving them the Fighting type upon evolving ensures that players who insist on only using their starter can overcome that early game hurdle without completely breaking the level curve. Gameplay purposes aside, I love all three of these guys
Fire and fighting might be good resistance wise but it is also the opposite when considering the physical special split, fight is predominantly a special centric typing and fighting is a physical centric typing, in order for them to work well u need a pokemon that has both good physical and special attack and very few pokemon do, that's why I will always prefer type combination that focus more on 1 of the attack stats like fire and psychic which I say is a much better combination because both are special focused types or fighting and ground for physical focus
Psychic/Fairy isn't as offensive as Normal/Flying and Grass/Poison tho At least Psychic and Fairy types had some breathing room BEFORE being obsessively paired together Also for the record it only feels like a lot bc SwSh introduced Rapidash, Hattrem and Hatterene
Making infernape fire-ice would have been perfect. 1)Ground is supereffective against steel, steel is supereffective against ice and ice is supereffective against ground. 2)It would have been a new type combination. 3)They just needed to add some more fur and say that's somewhat inspired by Yetis
I don't hate the starters for being fire/fighting as it is actually a cool typing, it's just why did they make 3 in a row, and then proceed to make Ininceroar NOT a fighting type despite being a wrestler.
@@TheEnigmaticBM39 Yeah but heels are just character roles. Wrestlers are fighters regardless. Besides, we got two Pokemon being half Dark and half Fighting being Scrafty and Pangoro and those two types counter each other.
In terms of game balancing, think of the first couple of gyms, infernape's second evolution learns a fighting type move which is great for getting through the rock gym. Also I honestly think that embroar could've really been a fire steel type and it wouldn't be that bad thematically, seeing as it could be a small reference to zhu bajie's mud-rake like weapon, and the fact that his body is reminiscent of the 候风地动仪, an ancient chinese seismograph made by chinese mathematician zhang heng, which plays very well into it's weakness to ground moves (like earthquake!!). You could also give it something like seismic toss. Idk I think it breaks up the starter types better while also deepening the chinese theme of the pokemon
Last I checked, Infernape doesn't get hate. The Fire/Fighting type starter hate started when Emboar was released and it kind of effects them all as a type combination, though it does impact Emboar a bit more than the others. Personally, I really don't like Blaziken (I think it's design is a bit too cluttered in various ways, though its mega does fix most of my issues with its design), but love Infernape and Emboar (though I admit the latter took a bit to grow on me).
Personally, I never saw a problem with the fire/fighting thing. I just think that they're cool 'mon with some dope ass inspirations. When you see just what went into designing them, the typing becomes very irrelevant, imo.
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Kind of surprised you didn't mention how in Japanese media (particularly shounen anime/manga), many of the protagonists are fighters with "fiery" dispositions, or have a "burning passion" for what they do. And for most players, starters are their protagonists. In fact, this kind of thinking also fits really well with scorbunny's line and let's face it, they would have totally ended up fire/fighting if only gamefreak didn't want to upset even more fans.
Because monotypes are relatively normal and expected, whereas a specific dualtype combo is much more specific and much less likely to occur multiple times.
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I already loved Infernape and Emboar (they were my first starters in each Gen, though I've used all three in each repeatedly) but this is awesome information. I'll admit the repeated typing could get anniying, but as a kid back then I did not remotely care about that. I just liked their designs and thought they were fun to use.
@@kadachinova5302 What do you mean Normal/Flying being repetitive? We had only 6 out of the 8 regional birds with this typing and only 5 in a row, Fire/Fighting is way worse, we had 3 in a row
@Lucas Hutchinson I know, that was a joke, what i wanted to say was how dumb the argument that Fire/Fighting is the worst because of 3 in a row when 6 of the regional birds, 5 in of these in a row had the same typing(More if we counted fearow)
I’ve always thought having had three Fire/Fighting types in a row contributed to the negative perception of Chesnsught - yes it was a new type (for starters) but Fighting just had an association with boring at this point. You know, it’s really interesting looking at the GO only players, many really like Emboar - and I’ve realised that’s because they have no concept of the starter Pokémon archetype, or at least it doesn’t play into GO so they don’t care about the repeated typing
Its funny cause Emboar was my last favorite fire starter. I never liked delphox (honestly i only really chesnaught), incenroar is too awkward looking for me, I am completely indifferent to Cinderace.
@@TheDragonfriday If the inspiration calls for it, then I don't see the problem. Can't kick a football without two legs to kick it with can you? Same thing with Incineroar and Emboar. The only starter I'd say was pushing it was Delphox, but it was a cool stick wand so it gets a pass from me
Emboar makes alot of sense as a fire/fighting types. He's from the same lore that infernape is from (journey to the west) and I believe the character that emboar is based off of from that story justifies the typing.
(This is not meant as an attack towards you) his background might make sense for his typing but why is it the start for the Region based on New York. None of the Unova starters look to have anything to do with it and aren't based on the region at all.
@@davidunderwood9728 I think the theme of the Unovan starters is Different Nationalities. Which makes sense specially if it's based in New York City. Also, you can see people speaking different languages in Castelia City.
It might just be a coincidence but the number 3 & the fighting type by now seems to have reemerged. The last three bear Pokémon (Pancham, Stufful & Kubfu) all happen to be fighting type.
Emboar is one of my two favorite pokemon next to Aggron, I've had a line of them since their inception to the series. Mixboar never fails to be extremely versatile and vital in all my teams...save for s&s since you can't have them in there.
I feel like Fire/Psychic could maybe fit Infernape, given the Sun Wukong inspiration. Sun Wukong had a lot of magical abilities, so Psychic could possibly work?
Imagine being Empoleon, a Steel type, being weak to the other Sinnoh starters. Imagine Empoleon, a STEEL type, widely regarded as the 2nd, sometimes 1st depending on your opinion and timeframe, type in the game, resisting nearly every other Pokemon.
Torterra is technically the best Gen 4 starter since it has STAB super effective Earthquake against Infernape and Empoleon,effectively making Earthquake have a base power of 300.
Lockstin: "HIS journey to the west." Me having watched Red's Journey to the West video: "Actually Son Wukong was simply there to aid the monk who was to make a pilgrimage to the west."
Another thing to add is that sun wukong is based around the concept of cockiness, of arrogance, of pride, something often related to fire across the planet, and thus infernape makes so much sense as a fire fighting type. As for pigsy, or Zhu Bajie, he's much more slothful, lazy, and generally just anything but the monkey king, even jealous. Hell, he's the only one to not obtain full enlightenment at the end, so I personally would have chosen something else that isn't fire, especially something that has a relationship like say grass, as the stall moves and weakness to fire would allow for a bit more of a clash. The only one that strictly can't be fire regardless of personality would be sandy, Sha Wujing, a sand demon via reincarnation (pigsy also underwent this, but I'm already dragging this out, so let's move on). Ground fighting just makes sense, although I'd argue ground dark as he did eat people, with an evolution gaining fighting type in place of the dark typing, as he later gains enlightenment (in some iterations at least)... actually, pigsy doing the opposite would make this dynamic all the more obvious.
I love fighting types and fire/fighting too. But i wish they did different typings more often. Would also love to see the other 2 types combined with fighting at some point. Grass/fighting: a (carnivorous) plant that has curled up leaves for hands that rapidly extend like a punch. Water/fighting: a mon that uses water to extend its punches, making fighting type moves also count as water type moves.
I was ready for another fire/fighting type with Cinderace. It's a good type, and I love when fighting types are other things than just martial artists.
Honestly I didn’t mind multiple Fire/Fighting type starters they are all very good. I was more upset that Serperior and Samurott didn’t get secondary types
i really wish serperior was a flying type and samurott was a rock type, so that we could have had the reverse triangle like gen 6 did. flying beats fighting where fire beats grass, rock beats flying where grass beats water, fighting beats rock where water beats fire.
On your Fire/Fighting non starter question I’d probably make a 2 stage mon. Stage 1, a singular boxing or other sports glove in which a young fire spirit made its home (Glovash (Glove, Glow and Ash)). Then when it evolves to stage 2 it grows a second glove that joins in the middle (think oven gloves but with two sports gloves instead) but hangs down and behind as if one had a hand in and the other didn’t (Flamitt (Flame and Mitt)) both would get a Special defence boost when hit by fire as their ability like how an oven glove protects from heat and a signature move could be heat strike (like heat stroke) which is a physical fire type move and has a chance to confuse the opponent (as heat stroke can make you delirious or confused)
Wow, Empoleon really did get the short end of the stick, it didn't get all too much god inspiration besides having a trident *and* it's weak to the secondary typings the other starters from its region get.
I don't think Emboar was planned as of gen 4, and there's been plenty of times we've gotten starters of identical types twice in a row in the franchise, like Meganium & Sceptile and Blastoise & Feraligatr. The only issue was the three in a row thing, I can't remember anyone even complaining about Infernape doubling up with Blaziken until after Emboar was announced.
The thing is, I am ok with Fire/Fighting but I do want not only a different combo but a different design than a bipedal animal, give us a quadrapedal fire starter or a fire starter that becomes a giant winged creature, there is more to fire than looking like a warrior all the time
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I like how Empoleon and Serperior were French before they decided ditch all subtlety and make Kalos.
They also made Pokemon inspired by the Three Musketeers and put them one generation too early for the French region. lol
"Hey, we have a LOT of designs for French-inspired Pokemon due to all the Francoboos in the art department. We really ought to make the next region be literal France so we can offload this backlog of Gallic fanservice."
@@robertgronewold3326 Yeah one generation early in the game that had too many legendary trios. I wish they had the balls to retcon them as Kalos mons it would make both regions better
Serperior is supposed to be french??????
(Yeah I know he said it but I'm still shocked)
Where none of the starters were French
Ngl, I don't like that they're all the same typings, but like, the mons themselves are pretty solid, I love em.
They typing didn't annoy me but for some people its understandable...i started pokemon since Unova....tepig was my starter....so nostalgia holds hard for Emboar....he looks like Endeavor from My Hero...I loved his Design in my hero...yeah stars aline
Yes, exactly!!
@@agentdon1760 finaly another person who likes emboar
That's fair.
I would have done emboar as a ground type, he has really good stats for it and if it was different type then it wouldn't be hated on as much
"Gen 3 gave us unique type combos, such as water-ground"
Wooper and Quagsire one gen earlier: "Are we a joke to you?!"
I don't know, my friends Curse Quagsire in Pokemon Showdown says yes.
Yes, literally nothing but memes
Well, unique for starters
Yes
Barboach and Whiscash the same Gen: Us too!
Lockstin: uses Crash plushie cause he doesnt have Infernape
Also Lockstin: has Chimchar right behind him
That's not infernape
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@@AxxLAfriku Why dude.
To be fair, the Pokémon Center’s Infernape plush has been sold out for quite a while. And while on the topic, I am genuinely surprised that the center has so few Sinnoh plushes. Only 29 show up, and there’s only 15 different species among them if you count Ditto-faced and sleeping plushes and don’t count Galactic Pikachu. They don’t even have a Turtwig plush available! I know they recently released the Hoenn line of their “sitting cuties” series, but with the 3 new Sinnoh games coming out in less than a year, it’d be wise to capitalize on it.
@@AxxLAfriku
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Remember Infernape was in the same generation as Arceus who is basically the God of pokemon who takes inspirations from the Buddha due to the reference of his 1000 arms.
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Yeah that was really nice. A nice touch.
The real question is why Samurott wasn't water fighting
It looks more like a steel type like enpoleon
It's look like water/groud typing for me.
Ability : Sap sipper
honestly samurott would work so well as a dual type pokemon that a lot of people forget that its pure water
Hot take: all starters should be dual type, make them more unique and rememberable
Or water/stee-
Oh wait....
Or water/dar-
Oh wait....
Pokémon fans bout to be real upset when they call 911 for their house burning down and they see a firefighter show up
Lmao
Nah man, they're happy when 1 or 2 fire fighters show up, but once there's 3 or more firefighters in a row, well, at that point you basically know that everything has gone up in flames!
Lol. Took me a bit to understand what you were saying.
@@JulianimeIsAmazing Firefighters operate in squads that contain an absolute minimum of 4 people.
@@machina5 No I know, it's not a critique on actual firefighters, God Bless them, it's a jab at how everything was fine when it was JUST Infernape after Blaziken (since Infernape was infinitely better AND cooler AND had a better story arc in the anime anyway), but it suddenly became unforgivable once Emboar came around.
And to be fair, even though I don't CARE to that degree, I can agree that it's a little disappointingly excessive to have 3 same type starters in a row, but then you realize there's a lot of same type starters, just not in a row. Most of the Water are PURE Water, many of the Grass are PURE Grass, and FIRE is the least guilty having only like 2 Pure Fire spread apart like 6 Generations (1 of which is IN SPIRIT thanks to Libero essentially a Fire or Fighting as well due to High Jump Kick, but I won't open that can of worms).
Dialga: I'm one of the creation trio, I control time itself and you're trying to fight me?
Infernape: Haha close combat go brrr
it solves everything
man infernape is so op in gen 4 best starter
I mean... Wukong would've totally done that.
@@JustAPokemonCommentingOnVideos it's not even a contest, fire monkey was the best.
More like Infernape: haha close combat go Ora Ora Ora Ora Ora ora
0:25 "Water/Ground first appeared in Gen 3 with Swampert"
Gen 2 with Wooper and Quagsire:
Ikr
I think he meant its new to the starters
Yeah back off fact police there are over 800 POKEMON you try remembering all type combos
Then there were Barboach and Whiscash, Shellos and Gastrodon, and finally Tympole, Palpitoad and Seismitoad
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I was annoyed by Emboar for that one reason when it came out and instantly dismissed it as my starter, but now that time has passed and I actually looked at it on it's own merits and not as "ugh third fire fighting in a row" I realize how misguided that was. It's one of my favorite starters now
Yea, honestly i hate how people hate on Emboar because it is Fire Fighting even though it is only similar to the first two in type alone. And sharing some design elements with infernape
@@Sarah12471Emboar took Talent and creativity Infernape is just a monkey with flames on its head not a hard concept lmao.
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Ah yes, my favorite Fire Fighting Starters.
Crash Bandicoot and Donkey Kong.
Blaziken: Awesome
Infernape: Awesome
Emboar: Alright, that's enough
Incineroar when it was leaked and we didn't know it's type yet: 😰
Very much agree with this, people saying Infernape was one two many need to realize that before we already had 2 mono water types in a row (gen 1 and gen 2) and 2 mono grass types in a row (gen 2 and gen 3)
@@dinoshotgun mono starters are different, though. They ARE the starter types, it's not stale to do that again, but you expect variety with the secondary types.
@@galarstar052 except it is stale to keep them mono for multiple generations in a row, and to be fair we’ve only had mono type repeats twice (the grass and water ones I mentioned previously), I’m just saying, doing the same thing multiple times in a row (in terms of typing) gets stale fast
@@galarstar052 I would prefer them repeating extra types rather than none at all. In gen 5, Emboar was the only one to get and extra type, which is stupid, and I would've loved to see Blastoise, the gen 2 starters, and gen 8 starters get extra types as well
I think you accidentally mixed the descriptions of infernape and emboar. Its ok, mistakes happen
I've never really got the gripe people have with the amount of Fire/Fighting starters. 3 of them is too much, yet having just as many mono-Grass starters within those first 5 Gens (and now 1 more overall thanks to Rillaboon) is okay?
Yeah cause mono makes more sense for starters as their first forms are always mono. Introducing 3 starters in a row with the same type combination just seems dull cause why add the same second type.
@@wood-lee1832 "first forms are always mono" Guessing you're forgetting Bulbasaur and Rowlet exist. The (highly subjective) dullness comment is also hypocritical when the same can be applied to monotype starters with the lone type denying them the advantages they may have over other grass, fire and water type options in the region beyond the equally bland perk of possibly better stats. The comment of "it makes more sense" can equally be reversed when it comes to the fire/fighting starters with their designs and origins, with Blaziken being based on a fighting chicken, Infernape being based on Sun Wukong and Emboar being based on Zhu Bajie, of which not having the fighting type for would make far less sense.
@@choueriito2548 people find it repetitive okay, I did forget about bulbasaur and rowlett tho
@@wood-lee1832 Again, a subjective thing such as what people find repetitive is not only something that can be turned on its head for reasons I've already gone over but is usually a case that ignores the reasons as to why these type combinations were used. The argument of "it's dull" is not a valid one when speaking of their functionality, especially when one could apply it to the more basic nature of mono-types (and, unlike the dullness complaint, would actually have a leg to stand on when criticising them from an objective standpoint of function). Furthermore, you said "why add the same second type" and I provided the answer as to why;
For me at least, the difference is timing. With Mono Grass, we had Grass/Ground in between Sceptile and Serperior. Which led into 2 gens with dual type Grass starters before Rillaboom. I wish some of the Mono grass types had more interesting type combos (Rillaboom especially), but they were at least spaced out.
With Fire Fighting, we got them 3 gens in a row with no break. it's a more unique typing then mono grass for sure, and I've used more of Fire/Fighting crew because of it, but the point still stands. I wish they were spaced out.
Honestly I just wanna see the entire community’s reaction explode when gen 9 rolls around and reveals another Fire/Fighting type.
Well, to be fair, there has been 3 gen without fire/fighting starter, so, i dont think it will be has big of a problem has it was with emboar
@@mestre12 also to be fair, with Incineroar especially, both of the latter two Pokémon there look like they were intended to be Fire/Fighting but at the last second they changed the typing for PR. It’s really just Delphox as an exception.
Well, we at least got a break.
@@Volcanic_Rave nah, incineroar was always meant to be dark. it fits way better than fighting.
@@mestre12 that’s what I’m saying
11:20
I’m pretty sure the dual Typings were all meant to combat one another:
Torterra has Earthquake for both Infernape and Empoleon. However, it no longer resists Empoleon’s Water-Type moves.
Infernape has Fire-Type moves against Torterra, and Fighting-Type moves against Empoleon.
Empoleon would probably be the “oddball” of the group, though it’s dual Typing means it no longer resists Infernape’s Fire-Type moves, and it’s no longer weak to Torterra’s Grass-Type moves (although it is weak to its Ground-Type moves). However, Torterra is 4x weak to Ice-Type moves, which Empoleon can learn (obviously without STAB bonus, but that would probably be too powerful otherwise). Of course, it still has Water-Type moves for Infernape.
I’ve picked every single Fire/Fighting starter and loved them all. With Emboar being my favorite Pokémon of all time!
Son Wukong and Zhu Bajie: have Pokémon based on them
Sha Wujing: *sad sand demon noises*
Maybe a regional marshtomp?
@Lucas Hutchinson the 5th member of the squad including a shape-shifting dragon that for whatever reason is always just a horse, but yeah wujing is a river demon and pretty cool
to be fair the writer of Journey to the west also forgot about Sha Wujing .... but not as much as he forgot about the horse dragon
Wasn't he a kappa-like creature? Or at least a fish? I remember him being a bit more water-related. Which confused me when they started building up that pattern, b/c how would a Fire/Fighting kappa/fish work? But then they went w/ a fox and everyone's wild mass guesses were subverted.
...Or maybe Blaziken was the kappa b/c it has a beak?
@@emerfirek he was a sort of water spirit, the Kappa part comes from the Japanese retelling since "strong water spirit" usually means "lets make it look like a Kappa" to Japanese writers. as far as i know there is no definitive look for him
I don’t know why I laughed so hard when the snacks fell out the box when he opened it.
So I was watching Disney movies and watched Lilo and Stitch and then the thought came to me “What if someone took all of the experiments from the movies and put them in Pokémon type groups”
They already are. They’re grouped together by each group of one hundred; 100, 200, 300, etc.
One of my favorite things about Emboar is that it's one first fire types to learn Scald.
Honestly I feel like Infernape also takes a lot of inspiration from the Hindu god/diety Hanuman. I'm not denying that it's based on Sun Wukong, but I feel like it still takes a lot of inspiration from Hanuman
some historians believe Hanuman is the inspiration for Sun Wukong so its not surprising they have similarities
@@monkeyking9863 China does love stealing others ideas.
3:38 "i don't have a infernape plush"
...
Just evolve that chimchar back there...
I can't wait for an actual Water/Fairy type that is inspired by actual fire fighters to be released.
Why fairy? Would pure water, water fighting, or even water steel not be better choices?
We have a water/fairy
Firefighters would be water/fighting
@@RonaldDotCa Im going out on a limb, but fairy fits better. Fairies are supposed to be beings of no evil, right? So Water/Fairy based off of fire fighters would work. Water/Fighting would work just as good, and its a unused starter typing. Water/Steel has already been used but it could be like a fire truck Water/Steel type.
I think a Firefighter Pokemon should be a Water-Fire type.
Primarina?
Fire/Fighting as a type combo does serve a pretty unique purpose for Combusken and Monferno specifically: in their respective games, the first gym leaders both use Rock types. Giving them the Fighting type upon evolving ensures that players who insist on only using their starter can overcome that early game hurdle without completely breaking the level curve.
Gameplay purposes aside, I love all three of these guys
Fighting is actually the most common type for a secondary to have
What about flying?
That's Flying
And yet there isn't even a fighting- electric, ground, nor fairy.
@@yoshiisland8263 i think a fighting/fairy troll kind of pokemon would be cool. I could also see the gen 9 pika clone being a electric/fighting type
@@isaaclim8645 or legendary electric fighting
Fire and fighting might be good resistance wise but it is also the opposite when considering the physical special split, fight is predominantly a special centric typing and fighting is a physical centric typing, in order for them to work well u need a pokemon that has both good physical and special attack and very few pokemon do, that's why I will always prefer type combination that focus more on 1 of the attack stats like fire and psychic which I say is a much better combination because both are special focused types or fighting and ground for physical focus
I don't think I ever saw someone say anything bad about Infernape.
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Paul.
Eh, Empoleon and Torterra are just cooler imo.
@@j.a.m.m fair, I mean infernape is one of my favorite Pokémon and people have similar opinions but it works both ways
@@grahamevans6428 Fair.
I think infernape got a pass because it at least looks good
Its funny cuz I don't really mind the Fire/Fighting thing. Hell, Emboar is my favorite out the Fire/Fighting trio.
nice
People complaining about fire/fighting meanwhile I'm here looking at all the 20 psychic fairy pokemon...
And a lot more normal/flying pokemon
Fr tho
Me waiting the fifth pure water or grass starter
Plenty of rando Pokemon share types, and it can be annoying, but I think the sticking point for fire/fighting is that three were starter Pokemon.
Psychic/Fairy isn't as offensive as Normal/Flying and Grass/Poison tho
At least Psychic and Fairy types had some breathing room BEFORE being obsessively paired together
Also for the record it only feels like a lot bc SwSh introduced Rapidash, Hattrem and Hatterene
Lockstin *talks about The Monkey King*
Me, an OSP Fan, *Pushes up my anime glasses*
Same, also legends of monkey because it was my first exposure to journey to the west
Yes! I found someone else!
Dragon Ball for me
It's because of OSP that I realized that Emboar is Pigsy before Lockstin even finished the intro. Glad I'm not the only fan around
At least we can all agree Chimchar and Tepig are adorable 🔥😍
Tepig lover 4 life!!!
Tepig yes. Chimchar no.
I personally like chimchar more than tepig, but tepig is still cute!
(J. Jonah Jameson laugh)
@@marcoasturias8520 Tepig evolves into a fat f*ck
11:08 Look at all those type combos! lol that killed me
"Loads of people hate these two"
Me hearing as many people as I do gas up Infernape: *Presses x to doubt*
X
x definitely, honestly infernape is kinda overrated
x where are my emboar fans, infernape is way too overrated.
@@NeptuneHamster ^^
@@Rzxffyt1692 flare blitz tho
Making infernape fire-ice would have been perfect.
1)Ground is supereffective against steel, steel is supereffective against ice and ice is supereffective against ground.
2)It would have been a new type combination.
3)They just needed to add some more fur and say that's somewhat inspired by Yetis
I don't hate the starters for being fire/fighting as it is actually a cool typing, it's just why did they make 3 in a row, and then proceed to make Ininceroar NOT a fighting type despite being a wrestler.
He's a "heel" but they already addressed that in the lore.
First it got repetitive but now it's misleading.
@@TheEnigmaticBM39 Yeah but heels are just character roles. Wrestlers are fighters regardless. Besides, we got two Pokemon being half Dark and half Fighting being Scrafty and Pangoro and those two types counter each other.
It’s interesting that the gen 5 starters are based on figures from eras of division, kind of the tao trios whole deal
3:02 imagine someone walking in and not knowing what he was doing
OMg 11 liKES lETs GeT tO 12 likEs
In terms of game balancing, think of the first couple of gyms, infernape's second evolution learns a fighting type move which is great for getting through the rock gym. Also I honestly think that embroar could've really been a fire steel type and it wouldn't be that bad thematically, seeing as it could be a small reference to zhu bajie's mud-rake like weapon, and the fact that his body is reminiscent of the 候风地动仪, an ancient chinese seismograph made by chinese mathematician zhang heng, which plays very well into it's weakness to ground moves (like earthquake!!). You could also give it something like seismic toss. Idk I think it breaks up the starter types better while also deepening the chinese theme of the pokemon
Last I checked, Infernape doesn't get hate. The Fire/Fighting type starter hate started when Emboar was released and it kind of effects them all as a type combination, though it does impact Emboar a bit more than the others.
Personally, I really don't like Blaziken (I think it's design is a bit too cluttered in various ways, though its mega does fix most of my issues with its design), but love Infernape and Emboar (though I admit the latter took a bit to grow on me).
Personally, I never saw a problem with the fire/fighting thing. I just think that they're cool 'mon with some dope ass inspirations. When you see just what went into designing them, the typing becomes very irrelevant, imo.
Why is it so fun watching Lockstin just eating food? Like, why? He needs to be sponsored by this more. Simply so we can see his reactions to the different foods. This is great and I haven’t even gotten to the Pokémon part yet.
Kind of surprised you didn't mention how in Japanese media (particularly shounen anime/manga), many of the protagonists are fighters with "fiery" dispositions, or have a "burning passion" for what they do. And for most players, starters are their protagonists. In fact, this kind of thinking also fits really well with scorbunny's line and let's face it, they would have totally ended up fire/fighting if only gamefreak didn't want to upset even more fans.
0:35 Ooh, that portrait of Lockstin and Roserade is nice sneak.
n.b. *callback to that Grass type video*
Mono water types
Blastoise
Feraligatr
Samurott
Inteleon
Mono grass
Meganium
Sceptile
Serperior
Rillaboom
No one complains about those lol
prolly becuz they werent in a row, like lockstin said
Because monotypes are relatively normal and expected, whereas a specific dualtype combo is much more specific and much less likely to occur multiple times.
@@nategwrightapparently the new trend is bipedal starters so no one wants to make up their minds
And a few were bored of monotype
@@nategwright We are getting close with fire/ghost and no one’s said anything
@@MrcreeperDXD777 We are getting close with fire/ghost and no one’s said anything
I always love watching your videos. They're put together in such a fun way, they got the perfect amount of non-forced humor, and you're always just this perfect level of adorable and welcoming that all the info doesn't come off as just an info dump. Thanks for all the great videos
I already loved Infernape and Emboar (they were my first starters in each Gen, though I've used all three in each repeatedly) but this is awesome information. I'll admit the repeated typing could get anniying, but as a kid back then I did not remotely care about that. I just liked their designs and thought they were fun to use.
Lockstin having a Torchic in his pocket is just adorable
Don’t you carry fried chicken in your pocket? I always keep some in my gaming consoles
@@1.21jiggawatts2 hey and if you have a charizard on you, you can make actual fried fire chicken!
People hate on Fire/Fighting, but no one seems to notice Psychic/Fairy is becoming more prominent.
I have. I'm just waiting my moment.
@@kadachinova5302 What do you mean Normal/Flying being repetitive? We had only 6 out of the 8 regional birds with this typing and only 5 in a row, Fire/Fighting is way worse, we had 3 in a row
@Lucas Hutchinson I know, that was a joke, what i wanted to say was how dumb the argument that Fire/Fighting is the worst because of 3 in a row when 6 of the regional birds, 5 in of these in a row had the same typing(More if we counted fearow)
A breakdown of Infernape and Sun Wukong/Journey to the West. At last, my two favorite things in one video.
I’ve always thought having had three Fire/Fighting types in a row contributed to the negative perception of Chesnsught - yes it was a new type (for starters) but Fighting just had an association with boring at this point.
You know, it’s really interesting looking at the GO only players, many really like Emboar - and I’ve realised that’s because they have no concept of the starter Pokémon archetype, or at least it doesn’t play into GO so they don’t care about the repeated typing
3 fire fighting types in a row with the streak broken with delphox but then the fear happened again before we had the official typing for Inciniroar
Its funny cause Emboar was my last favorite fire starter. I never liked delphox (honestly i only really chesnaught), incenroar is too awkward looking for me, I am completely indifferent to Cinderace.
3:10 the shot of him waving the goodies though not good while I’m fasting
Game Freak: "I think I'm gonna make a Fire starter.. Which ends up evolving into a Fire-Fighting type!"
Pokemon fan-base: _Daring, aren't we today_ !
We need to talk about the finals starter evolution of pokemon are always humanoid.... Like seriously I want an pokemon not a Digimon
@@TheDragonfriday *points you to Gen 1, 2, & 4 Starters, Swampert, Serperior, Samurott, & Rillaboom* Why are there so many Humanoid Fire Starters?
@@durk5331 true, but still I want more animal body shape then 2 legs freak of nature with arms with thumbs.
@@TheDragonfriday If the inspiration calls for it, then I don't see the problem. Can't kick a football without two legs to kick it with can you? Same thing with Incineroar and Emboar. The only starter I'd say was pushing it was Delphox, but it was a cool stick wand so it gets a pass from me
@@TheDragonfriday what bout Infernape & Rillaboom? are they counted in the 2 legged freaks with arms and thumbs?
11:04 I now wanna see that type ranking chart
Emboar makes alot of sense as a fire/fighting types. He's from the same lore that infernape is from (journey to the west) and I believe the character that emboar is based off of from that story justifies the typing.
(This is not meant as an attack towards you) his background might make sense for his typing but why is it the start for the Region based on New York. None of the Unova starters look to have anything to do with it and aren't based on the region at all.
@@davidunderwood9728 well, Empoleon is based on a french dude, but he's not a Kalos starter.
@@davidunderwood9728 Greninja is based of a ninja, but he's a Kalos starter.
@@davidunderwood9728 I think the theme of the Unovan starters is Different Nationalities. Which makes sense specially if it's based in New York City. Also, you can see people speaking different languages in Castelia City.
@@cjtoledo2510 I could get past that if I liked the designs. Emboar is one of my most hated designs so the intent falls flat.
i actually genuinely love emboar. ive played through and beaten black and black 2 and had emboar on my team both times.
Who's fighting for more rock grass Pokémon?
That would definitely make things more inserting, cause really, who actually remembers Cradily's weaknesses when you see that thing?
@@sonario6489 Ice, Fighting, Steel and Bug right?
@@rhinastocroc-boulet5189 Yep
I don’t know why I just find Lockstin shaking around that Scorbunny fricking hilarious.
Lockstin could literally advertise Japanese snacks and I’d buy em.
Oh wait I did
Emboar being a Three Kingdoms era warlord effectively makes it a Dynasty Warriors reference and that's just awesome to me.
Me: *having bad day * :(
Lockstin: *posts*
Me: :)
It might just be a coincidence but the number 3 & the fighting type by now seems to have reemerged. The last three bear Pokémon (Pancham, Stufful & Kubfu) all happen to be fighting type.
People are so fired up about this type combination that they are willing to go into a fight
Ironic isn’t it...
*rim shot*
Hey girlfriend
Emboar is one of my two favorite pokemon next to Aggron, I've had a line of them since their inception to the series. Mixboar never fails to be extremely versatile and vital in all my teams...save for s&s since you can't have them in there.
Now I'm disappointed that the Unovan starters aren't based on American, Italian, or Dutch references. it would have been perfect!
Can you give me any suggestions for that reference?
Everyone: gets upset over three fire/fighting types
Me: realizes there are six bug/steel types and no one says a thing
Gen 5 when it literally has 3 different Bug-Steel types (Durant, Escavalier and Genesect)
@Lucas Hutchinson still doesn't excuse the fact they decided to give us three of them in one gen
@@pencilassassin572 Durant is a throw away pokemon honestly and there's been several more poison bug and flying bug than steel bug.
I feel like Fire/Psychic could maybe fit Infernape, given the Sun Wukong inspiration. Sun Wukong had a lot of magical abilities, so Psychic could possibly work?
or even fire rock because he was the(a?) stone monkey
Imagine being Empoleon, a Steel type, being weak to the other Sinnoh starters.
Imagine Empoleon, a STEEL type, widely regarded as the 2nd, sometimes 1st depending on your opinion and timeframe, type in the game, resisting nearly every other Pokemon.
Torterra is technically the best Gen 4 starter since it has STAB super effective Earthquake against Infernape and Empoleon,effectively making Earthquake have a base power of 300.
Seeing as Infernape is my favorite starter of all times, I like it.
Lockstin: "HIS journey to the west."
Me having watched Red's Journey to the West video: "Actually Son Wukong was simply there to aid the monk who was to make a pilgrimage to the west."
"Loads of people HATE em!"
Ohhhh people hate Infernape?
_cracks knuckles_ who wants to talk?
I don't think I've ever seen someone say anything bad about Infernape.
I’ve seen people who hate it’s typing but still like it
@@jamesmorin9966 Its alright, thats the nicest thing I will say about it
People who hate Infernape don't deserve living
Another thing to add is that sun wukong is based around the concept of cockiness, of arrogance, of pride, something often related to fire across the planet, and thus infernape makes so much sense as a fire fighting type. As for pigsy, or Zhu Bajie, he's much more slothful, lazy, and generally just anything but the monkey king, even jealous. Hell, he's the only one to not obtain full enlightenment at the end, so I personally would have chosen something else that isn't fire, especially something that has a relationship like say grass, as the stall moves and weakness to fire would allow for a bit more of a clash. The only one that strictly can't be fire regardless of personality would be sandy, Sha Wujing, a sand demon via reincarnation (pigsy also underwent this, but I'm already dragging this out, so let's move on). Ground fighting just makes sense, although I'd argue ground dark as he did eat people, with an evolution gaining fighting type in place of the dark typing, as he later gains enlightenment (in some iterations at least)... actually, pigsy doing the opposite would make this dynamic all the more obvious.
Donkey Kong is hybrid of Infernape and Emboar that for some reason lost its fireness, you heard it here first!
I love fighting types and fire/fighting too. But i wish they did different typings more often.
Would also love to see the other 2 types combined with fighting at some point. Grass/fighting: a (carnivorous) plant that has curled up leaves for hands that rapidly extend like a punch.
Water/fighting: a mon that uses water to extend its punches, making fighting type moves also count as water type moves.
Hey, how about a video explaining the details and differences on New Mauville? That's an interesting idea, yeah?
I was ready for another fire/fighting type with Cinderace. It's a good type, and I love when fighting types are other things than just martial artists.
Honestly I didn’t mind multiple Fire/Fighting type starters they are all very good. I was more upset that Serperior and Samurott didn’t get secondary types
I was upset the Samurott went from a clear samurai theme to a weird quadruped creature
3:38 Chimchar looks absolutely pissed! XD
I'm still pissed Samurott wasn't given the fighting type, it learns Sacred Sword and is literally a Samurai
i really wish serperior was a flying type and samurott was a rock type, so that we could have had the reverse triangle like gen 6 did. flying beats fighting where fire beats grass, rock beats flying where grass beats water, fighting beats rock where water beats fire.
7:31 *that's a weird question*
- diamond tiara
Man I'm old
On your Fire/Fighting non starter question I’d probably make a 2 stage mon. Stage 1, a singular boxing or other sports glove in which a young fire spirit made its home (Glovash (Glove, Glow and Ash)). Then when it evolves to stage 2 it grows a second glove that joins in the middle (think oven gloves but with two sports gloves instead) but hangs down and behind as if one had a hand in and the other didn’t (Flamitt (Flame and Mitt)) both would get a Special defence boost when hit by fire as their ability like how an oven glove protects from heat and a signature move could be heat strike (like heat stroke) which is a physical fire type move and has a chance to confuse the opponent (as heat stroke can make you delirious or confused)
i though infernape was a loved starter, it is definatly my favorite fire type, but emboar i understand
It was the start of me no longer choosing fire starters for the first time.
That bokksu ad was by far the most entertaining ad that i have seen in a while, nice job :)
OSP fans when Lockstin mentions Journey to the West: :D
*plays kiss from a rose*
Wow, Empoleon really did get the short end of the stick, it didn't get all too much god inspiration besides having a trident *and* it's weak to the secondary typings the other starters from its region get.
Can you do an in-depth breakdown of Lucario and Riolu if you haven't already? FYI I've been a big fan for 2 years(?) now
7:02
Damn you, lockstin. You missed the opportunity to call them "Ouiaboos"
I don't think Emboar was planned as of gen 4, and there's been plenty of times we've gotten starters of identical types twice in a row in the franchise, like Meganium & Sceptile and Blastoise & Feraligatr. The only issue was the three in a row thing, I can't remember anyone even complaining about Infernape doubling up with Blaziken until after Emboar was announced.
The thing is, I am ok with Fire/Fighting but I do want not only a different combo but a different design than a bipedal animal, give us a quadrapedal fire starter or a fire starter that becomes a giant winged creature, there is more to fire than looking like a warrior all the time
I don't think people hate Infernape as much
Infernape is probably the most popular starter in Gen 4, The gen with arguably the most popularity.
11:29 Empoleon says in French "Je veux aller à la maison" which means "I want to go home". Haha. Thank you for this neat detail, my friend!
Emboar's always been a favorite of mine and felt bad about how hated it is.
1:59 I like how he keeps going despite dropping a third of the stuff! XD